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Posted on Oct 8, 2011
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I believe that description was generally fair in the first few days of the street protests. But by early October that generalization was proving generally false. Already the more progressive labor unions and local branches are stepping up to their responsibilities, and their banners and members have changed the political tenor of the movement. Here we already have the emerging foundation of a class-conscious alliance of students, workers, the unemployed, the underemployed, those juggling part-time jobs and still failing to pay monthly bills, and even sectors of the proletarianized lower middle classes.

Anyone with a strong sectarian bent can argue that this movement was genetically flawed at birth by the evident gaps in class consciousness among the earliest members who turned out in the streets. But that argument would be partial and narrow-minded. If I may use that loaded word from the Marxist lexicon, such an argument would be truly undialectical. The more interesting argument concerns all the contradictory ideas and social forces that have been drawn so rapidly into a movement evolving from one day to the next. This is a strong sign of social life beyond managerial control from above.

This movement began among sectors of students enraged by the destruction of their middle-class dreams, among tech-savvy hipsters and among cosmopolitan bohemians. Also among affinity groups of social anarchists on the left and of libertarian capitalists on the right, who share little in common except a strong aversion to the corporate state. But that was enough common ground for action, even if no one was swearing a loyalty oath to a common ideology.

Everyone acknowledges that a Canadian group, Adbusters Media Foundation (best known for its advertisement-free magazine Adbusters), provided the first rivulet of inspiration that became a mighty Mississippi of social discontent. According to a report in The Vancouver Courier on Sept. 27:

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“ ‘We basically floated the idea in mid July into our [email list] and it was spontaneously taken up by all the people of the world,’ said Adbusters senior editor Micah White on Monday, the 10th day of the protest. ‘It just kind of snowballed from there.’ ”

True, this Occupy Wall Street movement did not spring up in the earliest days from the organizations of the working classes, the very people often betrayed by the more bureaucratic labor unions and by reflexive loyalty to the Democratic Party. These facts can be noted objectively without being cobbled together into a distorting myth of origins. In a social movement that changes form and substance from city to city over the course of 24 hours, we really learn less from the worthy socialist scriptures than from our own “seven days of creation.” Our first task is to pay attention to reality.

Organizational origins can be traced in just the manner I have suggested. Yet that too is a partial view of reality. For it would be false to say that this movement against unelected corporate government and charity for the rich drew no inspiration from working-class struggles, both within and beyond our borders. Our social memory must extend at least several months earlier in this very year, and our political horizon must extend to every country where people cease to give consent to their governments. The earlier eruption of protest in Wisconsin against that state’s union-busting legislators had already altered our sense of political possibility. Certainly the mass labor strikes and public protests in Europe against austerity programs (imposed even by some ruling parties of the “left”) set high examples of civic courage. And as protesters occupied streets and public places all across the country, many explicitly said that the Arab Spring had given them practical lessons for an American Autumn.

One of the big stories ignored by the corporate media during the upheavals in the regimes of North Africa and the Mideast was the renewed courage of the working classes of those countries. Indeed, I am not aware of any major media report on the recent emergence of a secular and socialist political party in Egypt. Yet that news is not hard to find once we simply go over, under and around the channels of corporate news and tune in to the real major media of our time: namely, our own communities of political resistance and the multiplying news channels online. I am not a technological utopian, and I’m well aware that all we make public online is also a new field of surveillance for the state. But while this window of information remains open, we must continue breathing. Amid all the trite talking heads who assume the gospel of “democratic capitalism” must be delivered by American missionaries to those benighted souls across the seas, we may still find oxygen and real information. As reported by Ekram Ibrahim in Ahram Online on Sept. 28:

“On Wednesday, members of the Socialist Popular Alliance Party marched in joy through Tahrir Square, playing the oriental ‘Hasabla’ music in celebration of collecting the minimum 5,000 notarized memberships needed to apply for official status. The Popular Alliance has now become the first leftist party to reach the mark since the January 25 Revolution.”

Ibrahim reported that the Democratic Workers Party, the Communist Party and the Socialist Party were also seeking to register for electoral status under the law. Yes, and now let’s linger on a simple telling fact that rings out like a liberty bell from beyond our borders. Just consider “the minimum 5,000 notarized memberships” needed to conform to Egyptian law. That number is far more democratic than the high hurdles and flaming hoops truly independent parties and candidates must jump over and leap through in most of the states in the United States of America.


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By Kindsey, January 6, 2012 at 7:19 am Link to this comment
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More posts of this quality. Not the usual c***, plaese

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By Anarcissie, October 15, 2011 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

I’m sure Bloomie knows he’s lying.  It’s part of his job.  He statement is a form of ‘There’s nobody here but us chickens.’

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By Lafayette, October 15, 2011 at 2:01 am Link to this comment

HIZZONER THE MAYOR

Mr.Bloomberg, Hizzoner the Mayor of NYC:

“The protesters are protesting against people who make $40- or $50,000 a year and are struggling to make ends meet. That’s the bottom line. Those are the people who work on Wall Street or in the finance sector.”

Yeah, right. Once again hizzoner refuses to understand.

Such is the plight of blindness of our Fearless Leaders. The plebes work for $40/50K on Wall Street and the Bankster Plutocrats for 10, 100 end even 1000 times as much.

Let’s hope the people of NYC remember this remark when hizzoner is up for reelection. Honor me arse, Bloomy.

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By Lafayette, October 15, 2011 at 1:48 am Link to this comment

anar: If you don’t get it even so, I can’t help you.  I can’t break it down any further.

Once again you fail to understand. It is not that I “don’t get it”. It’s that I don’t agree with “it”.

Which has been the foundation of all well-reasoned debate since dawn of time.

Never mind ...

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By Anarcissie, October 13, 2011 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Mayor Bloomberg has stated that the city, that is, the police, will clear Liberty Plaza tomorrow, October 14, at 7:00 a.m., for ‘cleaning’.  Needless to say, no one believes that, once they leave the area, they will be permitted to return.  Hence a confrontation seem imminent.

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By David J. Cyr, October 13, 2011 at 4:01 am Link to this comment

AFRICOM was activated on October 1, 2008, just before the big dupe, Michael Moore, began publicly praying that Obama wouldn’t keep any of his campaign promises.

There’s nothing coincidental about the creation of AFRICOM and Obama’s installation.

The global Market-State wholly owned subsidiary, America, Inc., that the corporate (R) & (D) party robo-voters routinely provide popular vote mandates for is a permanent government, with corporate persons pre-determining which paint to apply on the interchangeable parts that will receive those scheduled popular vote mandates from the mind manipulated mentally impaired majority.

If an American is capable of thinking freely and clearly, experientially learning, then they haven’t been “educated” enough to become all the ignorant an American is expected to be.

http://www.chenangogreens.org

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By blogdog, October 13, 2011 at 1:04 am Link to this comment

read the sign: “THIS IS OUR COUNTRY! WE WILL OCCUPY IT!” 

now read this: “All the people in LIBYA, true Libyans, do not agree with its invasion and colonization.

We will fight for our freedom and we are ready for more sacrifices. The traitors and colonizers, NATO to be sure, are going to be defeated soon.

now go figure… the first African American President has command responsibility for the murder of tens of thousands of Black Libyans.

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By Anarcissie, October 12, 2011 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

Lafayette, October 12 at 11:51 am:

  Anar: “engaging in elections, which are metaphors of war, to determine who will dominate a community politically, is not a bottom-up process; it’s a top-down process.”

Enough of this nonsense. ...

Everything I write on Truthdig is rational and fairly simple.  If you don’t get it even so, I can’t help you.  I can’t break it down any further.

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By Lafayette, October 12, 2011 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

VOX POPULI

Anar: engaging in elections, which are metaphors of war, to determine who will dominate a community politically, is not a bottom-up process; it’s a top-down process.

 

Enough of this nonsense.

All democracies work on the same principle. Only the sick think that they are victims of some higher omnipotent influence that manipulates them.

Besides, for all the bitching and moaning in this forum, no effort has been made to suggest here a suitable solution.

It’s all negative bitching-in-a-blog that became tiresome a long, long time ago. A sort of catharsis for the hopeless.

When hope lies where it has always been in the adoption of Progressive Politics by Grassroots America, which deserves it most.

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By TLeeJr, October 12, 2011 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Anyone but me find it interesting that in the main, (and obviously - sans the violent reaction), the complaints Occupy is registering with regards to the current immorality of unfettered, indeed, propped up, capitalism in the US, are very closely aligned with those of the Muslim revolutionaries who decided their approach would be violent attack on persons. How can the very same issues being raised from within, and without, be pooh-poohed by the elites. Well, that was a rhetorical question, but my point is this. We dislike the very things about our Socioeconomic structure that the wild eyed revolutionaries use as a reason to hate this country, and by default, even those of us who, agree with their dislike of the same things. Ironic, or poetic,... you decide.

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By Anarcissie, October 12, 2011 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

Lafayette—engaging in elections, which are metaphors of war, to determine who will dominate a community politically, is not a bottom-up process; it’s a top-down process.  The parties which contest the election, and the government which results from them, are organized along authoritarian, hierarchical, quasi-military lines.  Minorities, unless they make a lot of trouble, are excluded and forgotten—as indeed are some majorities, as the recent national election of 2006 and 2008 demonstrated.  There is nothing very bottom-up about ignorantly picking this great leader or that off a list presented to you by a committee of great leaders.

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By weindeb, October 12, 2011 at 8:03 am Link to this comment
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Lafayette, your 7:40 am post, “HOOK, LINE AND SINKER”, really resonates with me.
I’ve just completed a modest little website devoted to the OCS Movement
(http://www.mycountrytis.org), and in it I have written:

To the Those At the Core of Occupy Wall Street

Cynicism is an attitude embraced by cowards of shallow disposition seeking an
easy way out of responsibility and ethical involvement with other people. You who
camp out and march and protest, you are just the opposite and are perhaps the
beginning of our last great hope against the greedy and the powerful who want
ever more and more and who disdain those who are worthy only of fleecing, these
barbarians who have crashed the gate and are destroying our society in the name
of themselves.

I think, M. Marquis de Lafayette, you are right on when you state: “This negativism
benefits the Koch brothers and the Karl Roves, who know how to manipulate the
vote such that their people WILL get out the vote, some religiously, for their
Crackpot Conservative candidates. They know how to use money to warp the
political process to their designs.”

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By David J. Cyr, October 12, 2011 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, of an avatar being a painting of a flatulent French fop:

“I am convinced of it because people may accept the status quo, but do so because they don’t see a viable alternative. A Progressive Agenda can fill that need.”

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(D) “Progressive Agenda” has long successfully filled the need of the greed filled corporate party — the need for the corporate-state to have a false alternative to liberally make its fascism “enlightened” and sustainable.

http://www.chenangogreens.org

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By Lafayette, October 12, 2011 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

HOOK, LINE AND SINKER

Anar: That’s an astonishingly naive view of the electoral process.

Not naïve, but rational. I presume to be taking account of the facts.

America has one of the worst voting records of any developed nation. In the best of years, two-thirds of the electorate shows up at the voting booths. In an average mid-tern election barely half bother to vote. Which demonstrates acutely the political apathy that exists in this country. (Compare that record with other countries here. )

Why the political apathy in America? I suggest two reasons.

FIRST REASON

Because of the consummate bullshit that they have been spoon fed for decades by politicians who, all, “wash whiter than white”.

Then the politicos, wrapped up in the political process) understand that they must kiss-ass in order to obtain campaign funding - in order not to lose their jobs. So, they compromise their ethics.

Go along and get along.

SECOND REASON

Whilst the continuously strident polemics of Leftist journalists like Tucker and Hedges works just the oppositely. Their negativism convinces people that the situation is so shitty, that it is hopeless and there is nothing that can be done to change the political system, so why vote? It’s useless.

MY POINT

You’ve gobbled that notional message yourself - hook, line and sinker.

This negativism benefits the Koch brothers and the Karl Roves, who know how to manipulate the vote such that their people WILL get out the vote, some religiously, for their Crackpot Conservative candidates. They know how to use money to warp the political process to their designs.

A cogent and simple Progressive Agenda if presented responsibly can convince the grassroots that it is worthwhile voting. I am convinced of it because people may accept the status quo, but do so because they don’t see a viable alternative.

A Progressive Agenda can fill that need. If sculpted with care.

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By Anarcissie, October 12, 2011 at 6:47 am Link to this comment

Lafayette, October 12 at 2:32 am:

’  Anar: I suggest starting from below, not from above, which doesn’t seem to accomplish much.

When I said it all starts at the Voting Booth, I meant “from below”.’

That’s an astonishingly naive view of the electoral process.

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By Shenonymous, October 12, 2011 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

Rebirth implies a dying.  Who shall die for the cause?  For it
surely will take lots of dying.  Not metaphoric death, but actual
death of individuals, that is, when it is called the New American
Revolution, that takes its name from the first one, which was a
long bloody war, that is what can be expected this time as well. 
Shall we get ready to build a memorial for him/her who is going
to step up to be the first to die?  Surely not the theorists will be
the first!

The current political system is not going to let itself die.  To effect
the kind of sea change talked about on this forum is going to take
Congressional collaboration. The worst kind of sophistry is the kind
used on oneself.  Not to be a defeatist, what is proposed is, if possible
at all, only generationally feasible, meaning a long era of education of
the population and then the kind of social values proposed will be
permanently made.  Not that they are absolute, but can modify to keep
the society healthy.  Whose social values will be adopted?  With the state
of education today that is being confiscated by those who would direly
deter adequate education because an educated public is difficult to
control, it has to be wrested from the religionists and the Tories who
want to control government with an iron fist.

We witness today how well The Egalitarian Project is going.  Not very
well.  The Occupy Wall Street protest is the epitome of the effects of the
classic dispute between 18th century federalists, businessmen, bankers,
and merchants, and remnants of the whigs, or the party of the people. 
The political parties we have today have been through extraordinary
permutations and actually transchanged value of what government ought
to do. 

http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/article/political-parties
A succinct rather elementary article that contextualizes what is being
discussed on this forum.  It is a quick overview written simply for young
people but apparently a seminal understanding of how we got to where
we are today is called for before any mindless, passionate, “rabble
rousing” ensues.  Passion might get it started but a rational process has
to guide the action or a repeat of history is promised and all the energy
expended would have been for nothing.

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By Lafayette, October 12, 2011 at 3:04 am Link to this comment

EGALITARIAN VALUES

MT: I agree we need to participate in transforming our world; participation is key, willing participation. The real questions for me amount to grappling with issues of Unification and consensus. How do we have a civil conversation with the unwilling, entrenched Capitalists?

We are all capitalists. Capitalism = an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

If we, as a nation, want to try the opposite, we go down the path so many others have followed - much to the detriment of their economic viability.

It is not, therefore, a question of ridding ourselves of capitalism but better managing our economic system to obtain some glaringly necessary rectifications.

Such as Income Fairness as well as other egalitarian values. That is, all citizens should get the same respect, or be treated the same, or be regarded as possessing the same intrinsic quality despite our societal diversity of race, religion, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, gender expression, species, political affiliation, socioeconomic status or cultural heritage.

What is missing in our upbringing is an understanding of these egalitarian values and a philosophical attachment to them. For the moment, our deeply inbred sense of competition has led us down another path. One where the achievement of winning is far, far more important than having played the game.

There are many within our socioeconomic system who are not even allowed to play. The consequence is the incarceration of whole populations in poverty, with resulting crime, delinquency and other aspects of Societal Disharmony.

Playing fairly in the socioeconomic game delivers self-respect and dignity, attributes to which all humans aspire.

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By Lafayette, October 12, 2011 at 2:32 am Link to this comment

REBORN

Anar: I suggest starting from below, not from above, which doesn’t seem to accomplish much.

When I said it all starts at the Voting Booth, I meant “from below”.

We live in a democracy that has been polluted by an arrogant plutocracy who have manipulated the system of governance and taxation for its own selfish purposes.

Only we, the sheeple, can correct that error. Unfortunately, not enough of the sheeple believe in progressive values, confusing them with the label of “socialism” that the Rabid Right slaps on them.

Progressives can believe in capitalism. I do. It is the oldest form of an economic system known to mankind and is far better than its precursor bartering.

HOW CAPITALISM GOES WRONG

It generates considerable wealth. When it goes awry, it is, like any game, because the right rules are not in place. Which has happened in America that has warped its notion of Free Markets to mean Unbridled Markets.

Unbridled markets are those where:
* Commerce/industry is allowed to assume a dominant position in the Buyer/Seller market relationship, thus making markets profit-bearing Cash Cows that bilk consumers by price-fixing.
* There are two many Buyers chasing too few Sellers due to market consolidation amongst the latter.
* There is connivance between crony-politicians and market executives for privileged government contracts (such as the M-I-C).
* Taxation is so low that it wrongly incentivizes individuals to maximize personal gain without regard for moral decency (Income Fairness) or dangerous risk-taking or the systematic search for the lowest production-cost possible to the detriment physically or financially of workers.

MY POINT: Egalitarian Values

Our nation was born out of the crying need for Liberty. Now it must be reborn to address the desire for Income Fairness - as well as other egalitarian values that have long since gone missing.

Let’s put our minds to it ... and leave passion behind. When polemic comes in the front door, reason dives out the window.

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By Shenonymous, October 11, 2011 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, October 11 at 4:26 am

Anarcissie, October 10 at 1:09 pm
ITW—What do you have against the workers owning and
‘controlling their means of production?  Seems reasonable
to me.
?****************
What gave you that idea?
When we fix corporate Law, there’s no reason for workers
not to one shares in their company, and even have controlling
shares.  Or a partnership.

There are a number of companies in the US that have shared ownership
with employees.  The following sites describe the practice and lists of
such companies.

http://www.esopassociation.org/
http://www.nceo.org/ as well as
http://www.nceo.org/main/article.php/id/11/ that shows 100 employee
owned companies and another
list of 79 companies found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_employee-owned_companies

A reformation of America and its relationship to its citizens has to
start at the bottom with an informed (meaning educated) public starting
at the local level to craft the kind of government they want.  The problem
that arises is that there are so many municipalities of various sizes that
there are bound to be conflicts within the towns, cities, and between
them, which is why social construction of democratic governments
started in the first place and the unification of the sovereign states that
make up this country.  There are reasons it is constructed the way it is
and there is much to be learned from sociological and anthropological
history that some depth of knowledge of would show where humankind
has stumbled.  There is no simple solution, no overarching theory or
answer to a better government.  Reactivity is certainly not the most
fertile and fruitfully promising path.

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By Anarcissie, October 11, 2011 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

Lafayette, October 11 at 2:00 pm:

‘... There is no other way to reform American than by the voting booth, thus electing progressive politicians with a common agenda of renovation and renewal of our political governance.’

That seems highly problematical, given the results of the Federal elections of 2006 and 2008.  I suggest starting from below, not from above, which doesn’t seem to accomplish much.

The Occupation may, in the end, seem to accomplish nothing, but it has done more and better political work in four weeks than the entire Democratic Party has done in five years.

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By Lafayette, October 11, 2011 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

THE RENENWAL OF POLITICAL GOVERNANCE

We, the people, would therefore do well to abandon all hope in the professional hucksters of “hope and change,” such as the current president and his crew.

And for what? Who then should we believe in?

A New Messiah who will come to power and right the wrongs of Capitalist America in four years of hyper-progressive legislation? No such heroic individual exists in America today. Besides, there is so much to reform that it is quite beyond the ability of just one four year presidency.

Before you bake your bread, consider the ingredients. Politicians are a reflection of America. They are what we are. Why should they be any different?

If their values are base and mean, then so are ours. If they are tricksters employing false promises simply to obtain their goals, then so do we.

Winning this battle will take more than one presidency. We must change mindsets and that challenge is no Quick Fix.

It will take decades to arrive at the same sense of egalitarian values that is the bedrock of European Progressivism. America has a long, long way to go to catch up.

But either America makes that effort or the Greatest Nation on Earth continues its descent into insignificance, dragged down by a top-heavy Plutocracy bent on personal enrichment ... and all others be damned.

There is no other way to reform American than by the voting booth, thus electing progressive politicians with a common agenda of renovation and renewal of our political governance.

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By mt56, October 11, 2011 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

Today I have been researching participatory economics and horizontalism. I
grow weary reading about theoretical politics or systems, because my mind
jumps to the implementation, how it might look in practice. I agree we need to
participate in transforming our world; participation is key, willing participation.
The real questions for me amount to grappling with issues of Unification and
consensus. How do we have a civil conversation with the unwilling, entrenched
Capitalists? In the ideal, we can’t marginalize anyone, including the hard Right.
After all, they are victims of indoctrination, aren’t they? Freethinking is quashed
at every juncture and propaganda is high art.

I’m thinking of my recent efforts to get along with my 75 year old mom, for
example! I’ve been practicing having political conversations with her that don’t
erupt into a vicious diatribe. I end up changing the subject because she
becomes hostile and dangerous. If I extrapolate from this one simple example, I
become filled with fear and despair. I believe the Right is actually prepared to
kill us to protect what it has commandeered! There are many examples of this
already.

In short, I’m having a hard time visualizing a major change happening here in
America without mayhem, goddess forbid. So, as excited as I am about the
movement, I think we need to be able to express our fears too without being
called an alarmist or looked upon as naive or foolish. Don’t discount this kind of
fear as a bottleneck to momentum—we will need the centrists to effect any
real change. I feel a need to prepare, at least emotionally, for the… unexpected.

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ITW—What do you have against the workers owning and controlling their means of production?  Seems reasonable to me.
****************

What gave you that idea?

When we fix corporate Law, there’s no reason for workers not to one shares in their company, and even have controlling shares.  Or a partnership.

But do realize that when workers own the company (which I do not object to at all) they therefore share in stock-holders’ risk as well.

Nor do I object to workers forming unions, in fact I think unions give check and balance to Capitalism and FORCE Capitalism to be healthier.  And, if those unions want to become a labor supplying employee-owned corporation, I don’t object to that either—-why should the “skim” as it’s called, go to the recruiter and not to the shareholders.  I’ve worked for recruiters who thought they were ENTITLED to keep all of the skim if the rate increased, just for making an annual phone call.

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By david tarbuck, October 11, 2011 at 1:27 am Link to this comment
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Real Progressives do not subscribe to Keynesian nonsense. 

I am Canadian and a Country and Western singer from same discribes it well wih a corus line:

We’ll save a lot ‘o’ money spendin’ money we don’t got! 

That is Bernanke and Obama in spades; a dodge to escape the real needed social change to production for need not greed!

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By mt56, October 10, 2011 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment

Europe has a strong labor party, socialist party, communist, etc etc. You make a
good argument, but we need leaders in other parties to stand up and lead before
we can vote for them. There are plenty of us grey hairs out here who would be
ecstatic to elect someone besides Obama. But given our choices, would you rather
see Herman Cain with his 999 plan? A good rant is a fine thing, but doesn’t change
this fundamental fact. Who would YOU like to see lead us next?

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By David J. Cyr, October 10, 2011 at 10:28 pm Link to this comment

QUOTE, Scott Tucker:

“The public creed of ‘progressives’ in this country is often admirable point by point, and yet the dots never connect to make a convincing big picture.”
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The “progressives” advertise themselves to be in favor of any possible good, but they reliably regularly vote for Democrats to get every possible evil done better.

http://www.chenangogreens.org

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By Distant Star, October 10, 2011 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment
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Pardon me as all I can muster is a tired, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cold weather and bare streets will be here soon enough and the rich and their corporations will turn up the heat and smile in cozy bunkers.

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By Billy Pilgrim, October 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

hey joer: Get a clue. I can’t wait for the far right to
start accusing the “Jews” of being in control of the
OWN crowd. It’s the old racist trick popularized by
Julius Streicher: the Jews are behind the capitalists
and the communists…

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By Anarcissie, October 10, 2011 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

The very day the Wall Street Occupation began, I noticed anti-Semitic trolling in the form of phoney comments on sites like Huffpo under articles by authors who were probably in on the game—they pretended these ‘proved’ OWS was anti-Semitic.  (No one took the bait.)  Par for the course, I guess.

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By Anarcissie, October 10, 2011 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

ITW—What do you have against the workers owning and controlling their means of production?  Seems reasonable to me.

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By grokker, October 10, 2011 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

As far as I’m concerned, fuck the Progressive agenda. Look at where it got us last time. It’s time to start thinking more outside the box and time to jettison both corporate parties and begin anew. Otherwise, what will you be forced to vote for next time? Obama or one of a collection of Repub whackjobs. Unless, of course, what I proscribe is what you mean by “progressive”.

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By Lafayette, October 10, 2011 at 1:41 am Link to this comment

CARPE DIEM!

The moment is ripe for this grassroots movement to coalesce around a Progressive Agenda that will serve as a litmus-test for candidates in next year’s elections.

Without that agenda, the movement will lose focus and dissipate. We will not elect a Progressive Congress. We will not implement Reformational Change so necessary to the well-being of Americans.

Towards producing such an agenda, that is clear, focused and limited to key objectives, I submit for consideration and debate this version here.

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By Marc Schlee, October 9, 2011 at 10:54 pm Link to this comment
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*******

Buy a gun and learn how to use it.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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By grokker, October 9, 2011 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

This new revolution had better happen quickly. The wolf in sheeps clothing Obama (a Republican, further to the right than Bush ever was) has plans for us. Read this article by the only economist that has a handle on the big picture, Michael Hudson.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/07/obama’s-new-populist-fakery/

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By caped amigo, October 9, 2011 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

In a word Scott—brilliant. And I understand your impassioned need to vent many
of your issues. You can dine at my table anytime (and I prepare heart-stopping
Italian cuisine).

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By Inherit The Wind, October 9, 2011 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

Joe R, October 9 at 9:09 am Link to this comment
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My intent was not to dirty the movement. My intent was to point out the
forces against it. The Jewish people are fine folks and I have nothing but respect for them. They make up only a little more than one percent of the population. That being said, they make up twenty five percent of the Democratic Senate. They have more political power than there numbers justify. My view is the Democratic party no longer serves the people it once served. Crying anti semitesm is a tried and true tactic. But it does not change the fact about what caused this depression. Sorry if I offended anyone. That was not my intention.

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Right.  You just think there should be a quota on Jews in the Senate and House.  And Jews are a problem in business too. But you’re not “anti-Semitic” for saying this, right?
Bullshit!

And in 25 years the roles stereotypically assigned to Jews will fall on other ethnic groups and then THEY will be scorned for being good at running jewelry stores, politics, law firms, science, banking and importing. And for having “funny-sounding” names, not looking Caucasian, and speaking a funny language amongst themselves, and following a religion that isn’t Christianity.

Racism and bigotry always raise their ugly heads.

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By Morpheus, October 9, 2011 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

We have to get our act together. The protesters are good for the movement as long they or controled. But we have to get organized or nothing much is going to change. We need a revolution but has to be a smart revolution.

FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM
Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

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By D.R. Zing, October 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

I like the way this article is written.  It meanders
but the only way we’ll ever address the multitude of
issues troubling America right now is if we start
making connections between Wall Street and the war
economy; the destruction of the ecosystem and a state
of permanent war; a corrupt financial system and
policy makers distracted by the state of perpetual
war; an absurd policy of neoliberalism that is only
around because it was useful during the Cold War,
a neoliberalsim that now threatens to destroy
Europe and keep American unemployment hovering around
ten percent permanently. 

Inherit the Wind. I like your comment and I’m with
you. 

doublestandards/glasshouse:  I share your
frustration.  Journalists are taught to write about
either climate change or war or the economy. They
resist mightily (and frequently snidely) any attempt to
draw correlations between seemingly disparate
issues.  Forgive them as you would abused children. 
Punish their parents. Break up the corporate news media. 

weindeb:  I like your statements about Steve Jobs. 
Your statements too about the mainstream media are
spot on.  Congratulations and thank you for taking
part in the march. 

JoeR: Is it a mistake? Or are you being an idiot on
purpose!

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By bpawk, October 9, 2011 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

While it’s good to see people finally getting excited about what’s going on in their society (and not so much celeb worshipping) they again are hitting the wrong targets - now a museum. Nothing in their little paper criticizes the government or Obama. They are going after everything BUT THE GOVERNMENT. Why don’t they go to the source, who are the enablers of bailouts, unfair tax breaks and deregulation. Look to the government who is making the laws and who is by law answerable to the taxpayer. All their targets are wrong. Wall Street or a museum is not answerable to the public but the government is. Why are they afraid to criticize obama! He enabled Wall Street to take advantage of tax breaks, deregulation and bailouts. If government, as some say, is just as bad as Wall Street, why are there not demonstrations there? mmm…

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By eps62, October 9, 2011 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

I agree with all views of OWS. The only thing I have to add is go back to voting on paper get rid of the machines.

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By Joe R, October 9, 2011 at 9:09 am Link to this comment
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My intent was not to dirty the movement. My intent was to point out the
forces against it. The Jewish people are fine folks and I have nothing but
respect for them. They make up only a little more than one percent of the
population. That being said, they make up twenty five percent of the
Democratic Senate. They have more political power than there numbers
justify. My view is the Democratic party no longer serves the people it once
served. Crying anti semitesm is a tried and true tactic. But it does not
change the fact about what caused this depression. Sorry if I offended
anyone. That was not my intention.

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By christian96, October 9, 2011 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

JoeR—-Are all the people who control the Democrats
Jewish? What do you mean by “control?”

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, October 9, 2011 at 7:43 am Link to this comment
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This is a great website:
http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com
See especially the archives.

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By weindeb, October 9, 2011 at 6:56 am Link to this comment

Joe R., that’s really what OWS needs, some good
old-fashioned anti-Semitism. I congratulate you
for your wisdom and decency in attempting,
even though modestly, to dirty the movement.

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By Joe R., October 9, 2011 at 5:36 am Link to this comment
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The American people have to give up on the two political parties that control America.  The Republicans are controlled by the globalist and the Democrats are controlled by the Jewish Merchant class.  Both have no interest in any change to the status quo.                            My big fear is that this new movement will be subverted from the top and the leadership will ensure that nothing of any importance will come of it.  The FBI is all over this thing and as most of us know they are very good at infiltrating liberation movements and turning them for there own purposes.  I hope real change is possible but I have my doubts.  The people who have caused this economic disaster need to be arrested, tried in court, and punished.  These crimes are huge and should be capital offences with the death penalty.                    The people who are destroying us are the most powerful people on the planet and they are killers. They are not going to relinquish there wealth, power, and freedom without a blood bath.            All ready people like Michael Bloomberg are calling for the government to act against the protesters who are supported by the vast majority of the American people. He wants to protect the crooked bankers, who have robbed America blind, from the peoples justice.  The Republicans are calling for action to protect the people who own and who have thoroughly corrupted them.  The media is trying to discredit the movement with propaganda, lies, and an endless supply of so called experts. The Democrats are trying to pull the same type of leadership hijacking that the Republicans pulled on the tea party.  Obama isn’t going to help.  He, like Clinton, is completely owned by the Jewish Merchant Class.  He hired the same economic team that Clinton had.  The very people who changed the banking laws that set up this crime in the first place.  I support the Wall Street protesters with all my heart.  I join you cause it is all of our duty to join our fellow countrymen in this struggle for justice and equality. But don’t kid yourselves.  This is not going to be easy.

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By christian96, October 9, 2011 at 5:09 am Link to this comment

We the People of Wall Street in order to form a
more deceptive “fat cats” club do solemnly swear
to lie and deceive the people of the United States
through the media and fill the pockets of politicans
in Washington.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, October 9, 2011 at 4:33 am Link to this comment
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The statement from the General Assembly is the moral equivalent of the Declaration of Independence.  It is the beginning of a movement that will change the country forever.  There’s no going back.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 9, 2011 at 4:12 am Link to this comment

In all this lengthy turgid article, does Scott Tucker ever show that he knows the difference between Social Democracy (and Social Democrats) and Socialism?

I’m all in favor of Social Democracy, but I’m not at all in favor of Socialism. I want to see industry and corporations regulated out the ass, so that they must contribute POSITIVELY to society or not be allowed to function.  If they can do that, then they are WELCOME to profit, even exorbitantly. But they must give back.  They cannot simply rape the earth, and lay waste to it.  They cannot demand we build them roads and bridges, and then refuse to pay taxes to help pay for them.

Not sure what the Gay Rights thing has to do with this article.  I have no problem and fully support Gay Rights, but I missed the link.

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By zonth_zonth, October 9, 2011 at 1:51 am Link to this comment

well written Steve Tucker
I too have been bemused by the time the msm have spent on the technophile “genius” Steve jobs and other crap. 
Indeed the other night PBS spent 15-20 minutes fawning on the tard Mit Romney and then two political pundit ‘experts’ dissected what the tard said for another 15 minutes…...nothing about the occupiers of wallstreet.  Mesmorizing and a complete and total corroboration of the claim that the msm defines the pseudoreality for individuals who want to participate in the pseudo-american dream.

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By zonth_zonth, October 9, 2011 at 1:13 am Link to this comment

thats it LostHills
While living in the states,  my wife (an Australian) noted all the old farts that simply obstruct and impede any real “change”.  Ie Mitch Mcconnell, Boehner, Newt, etc. etc.
She repeatedly would ask me “why are all those old coots allowed to stay there and do nothing after ‘decades’ of service?”

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By christian96, October 8, 2011 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

All the big networks have been asking demonstrators,
“What do you want?”  I’m waiting on one to say, “We
want all oil companies nationalized.”  I think I’ll
be waiting a long time.  If a demostrator was allowed
to say that American troops would be on the streets
the next day.  No more demonstrations.

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By LostHills, October 8, 2011 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

Three things must happen to restore democracy. ALL politicians currently holding
office at State and Federal levels must step down at the end of their terms. All
political parties must be outlawed. All so-called “campaign contributions” must be
classified as bribes and made illegal. That is the only path.

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By John R., October 8, 2011 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

@ the worm

Thank you for posting the statements from the GA -

Each night when I get home from a days march or a day of festivities I spend a
fews hours linking those statements from the coupmedia site to as many
uninformed sites I can find.

http://coupmedia.org/

It seems as if they (the current political system now in charge) think we will just
fade away, because no one knows what we want, and/or there is little/no
coverage of it.

For the first time in my life. I have never been more clear about what I want for
my future (if one will follow) and the statements have summed it up just right.

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By the worm, October 8, 2011 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

Here is their statement. I think it’s worth reading without commentary (sorry for
the commentary about it being worth reading).

“As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice we must
not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel
wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality that the future of the human
race requires the cooperation of its members.

That our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is
up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors.

That a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but
corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people, and the Earth,
and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by
economic power.

We come to you at a time when corporations — which place profit over people,
self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality — run our governments.

We have peaceably assembled here as is our right to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not
having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give
executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in workplaces based on age,
the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity, and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the
farming system through monopolization.

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By the worm, October 8, 2011 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

Here is the rest of their statement:

They have profited off the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless
animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for
better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on
education, which is, itself, a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to
cut worker’s health care and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people with none of
the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams, but look for ways to get them
out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products, endangering lives in
pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy despite the catastrophic failures their policies
have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for
regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives,
or provide relief in order to protect investments that have
already turned a substantial profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and
inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully kept people misinformed and fearful through their control of
the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners, even when presented
with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive
government contracts.

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City general assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square,
urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble, occupy public space, create a process
to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct
democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our
disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard.”

The statement issued from Zuccotti Park by the general assembly at Occupy Wall
Street

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, October 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment
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Its absolutely maddening to watch the msm reports on the protests.  Either they are pretending they don’t know what any of this is about or they are trying to please their corporate owners by giving bogus reports.
Today they were saying that it started out as a protest against wall st but now it has “spread all the way to climate change.”  They just can’t understand what lack of action on climate change has to do with wall st.  Do they really not understand or are they so absorbed in the corporate view of things that they don’t know what’s going on in the real world?  I can’t figure the msm out.  What is their mission?  What are they there for?

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By jamie1950, October 8, 2011 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

Someone needs to start a campaign to raise money and get a permit to
have sanitary port-o potty installed around the occupiers base camp or is
that not allowed in NYC?.

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By Cat Thunder, October 8, 2011 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment
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United States belong to the Native Americans and it does not belong to you.First Come 1st Serve.Just like here In Canada 1st Nations are fighting what belongs to them.
Just because you almost wiped the Native Americans with smallpox’s does not mean that land is yours.
You have to understand what the Native Americans went through in history and even today they still struggle what’s theirs.We are slowly starting to find out what belongs to us.
History books ignored our rights and we have not anything resembling 1st Nations and Native Americans in schools.Not much anyways.That needs to change. Maybe Tecumseh knew what lies within the future right,he knew something was developing.Earth Changes. Or even the Hopi Elders knew what lies ahead.

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By weindeb, October 8, 2011 at 11:03 am Link to this comment
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After marching on Wednesday and then
returning home to be inundated by ceaseless
and countless Steve Jobs obits, I wrote the
following, which I’ve posted in several places.

“I of 84 years shuffled along on Wednesday with
thousands of people ranging from the young to
old geezers like myself and representing every
human coloration and, yes, even social class and
political persuasion from Marxist to conservative
(not reactionary, but conservative in the pre-
Reagan sense of the word). Also, I have used
Mac computers exclusively now for almost 25
years.

“The above prefaces what I have observed about
the mainstream media and the death of Steve
Jobs, rightly admired at least for his part in
creating Apple’s amazing products, but I find
remarkable how much his death has upstaged
the event the other day that drew together
15,000 plus self-disciplined people to exercise
dissent as ‘the greatest form of patriotism’. With
little exception (ABC News for one), you can
vigorously search the mainstream media before
you find a bit about the march. The New York
Times, for instance, said little, and that
reluctantly. Plenty, though, about Steve Jobs as
it joined its colleagues in an orgasmic
mainstream threnody.

“Maybe human beings need to mourn the great
and famous, as with Princess Diana, but I
suspect in this case it’s only partly so. Steve
Jobs, conveniently excused for the moment from
his use of overseas sweat-shop labor producing
his products, represented something better than
we’ve come to expect from the corporatists: the
GOOD counterpoising what we were marching
against - the fraudulent, evil, lying, greedy,
cheating, shady, manipulative, cruel and anti-
democratic dangerous corporatists destroying
financial justice and decency itself. He was
above all not a Koch- or Armey-type Fifth
Columnist. Thus do we have an overwhelming
use of the death of an individual, an important
one to be sure, to obscure a significant (and, by
the way, decidedly non-astroturf) expression
that aims to make corporations serve society
justly, corporations, for example, such as those
controlling our mainstream media.

“The only good I can see in the poor coverage of
this historic march is that possibly such
deficiency signals a recognition that the
occupywallstreet movement might have the
potential to achieve what it demands.”

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By balkas, October 8, 2011 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

alas, i expect that in next election uncle sam; that is, his PARTY, wld receive 95-
98% of ballots cast.
if for no other cause than the fact that there is still is no viable second political
party in u.s to vote for.
let’s forget the greens; it appears to be a movement—and uncle sam
[wisely/cunningly] rejects any movement to represent him.
he knows that no movement or org runs any country—it is always a party or a
coalition of parties which rule a country.

that’s been a constant in all the countries and in mesopotamia/egypt for at least 8
k yrs; in europe, say, for the last 3 k yrs and for the indigenes of america and afrika
for the last 200 yrs or so. tnx

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