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A bas-relief in the ruins of Persepolis, Iran.

By Juan Cole, TomDispatch

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Iran is particularly jealous of its independence because in modern history it has so often been dominated by a great power or powers.  In 1941, with World War II underway, Russia and Britain, which already controlled Iranian oil, launched an invasion to ensure that the country remained an asset of the Allies against the Axis.  They put the young and inexperienced Mohammed Reza Pahlevi on the throne, and sent his father, Reza Shah, into exile.  The Iranian corridor—what British Prime Minister Winston Churchill called “the bridge of victory”—then allowed the allies to effectively channel crucial supplies to the Soviet Union in the war against Nazi Germany.  The occupation years were, however, devastating for Iranians who experienced soaring inflation and famine.

Discontent broke out after the war—and the Allied occupation—ended.  It was focused on a 1933 agreement Iran had signed with the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC) regarding the exploitation of its petroleum.  By the early 1950s, the AIOC (which later became British Petroleum and is now BP) was paying more in taxes to the British government than in royalties to Iran for its oil.  In 1950, when it became known that the American ARAMCO oil consortium had offered the king of Saudi Arabia a 50-50 split of oil profits, the Iranians demanded the same terms.

The AIOC was initially adamant that it would not renegotiate the agreement.  By the time it softened its position somewhat and began being less supercilious, Iran’s parliamentarians were so angry that they did not want anything more to do with the British firm or the government that supported it.

On March 15, 1951, a democratically elected Iranian parliament summarily nationalized the country’s oil fields and kicked the AIOC out of the country.  Facing a wave of public anger, Mohammed Reza Shah acquiesced, appointing Mohammed Mosaddegh, an oil-nationalization hawk, as prime minister. A conservative nationalist from an old aristocratic family, Mosaddegh soon visited the United States seeking aid, but because his nationalist coalition included the Tudeh Party (the Communist Party of Iran), he was increasingly smeared in the U.S. press as a Soviet sympathizer.

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The British government, outraged by the oil nationalization and fearful that the Iranian example might impel other producers to follow suit, froze that country’s assets and attempted to institute a global embargo of its petroleum.  London placed harsh restrictions on Tehran’s ability to trade, and made it difficult for Iran to convert the pounds sterling it held in British banks.  Initially, President Harry Truman’s administration in Washington was supportive of Iran.  After Republican Dwight Eisenhower was swept into the Oval Office, however, the U.S. enthusiastically joined the oil embargo and campaign against Iran.

Iran became ever more desperate to sell its oil, and countries like Italy and Japan were tempted by “wildcat” sales at lower than market prices.  As historian Nikki Keddie has showed, however, Big Oil and the U.S. State Department deployed strong-arm tactics to stop such countries from doing so.

In May 1953, for example, sometime Standard Oil of California executive and “petroleum adviser” to the State Department Max Thornburg wrote U.S. ambassador to Italy Claire Booth Luce about an Italian request to buy Iranian oil:  “For Italy to clear this oil and take additional cargoes would definitely indicate that it had taken the side of the oil ‘nationalizers,’ despite the hazard this represents to American foreign investments and vital oil supply sources.  This of course is Italy’s right.  It is only the prudence of the course that is in question.”  He then threatened Rome with an end to oil company purchases of Italian supplies worth millions of dollars.

In the end, the Anglo-American blockade devastated Iran’s economy and provoked social unrest.  Prime Minister Mosaddegh, initially popular, soon found himself facing a rising wave of labor strikes and protest rallies.  Shopkeepers and small businessmen, among his most important constituents, pressured the prime minister to restore order. When he finally did crack down on the protests (some of them staged by the Central Intelligence Agency), the far left Tudeh Party began withdrawing its support.  Right-wing generals, dismayed by the flight of the shah to Italy, the breakdown of Iran’s relations with the West, and the deterioration of the economy, were open to the blandishments of the CIA, which, with the help of British intelligence, decided to organize a coup to install its own man in power.

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By heterochromatic, April 22, 2012 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

read better. I didn’t mention the laughable Iranian military… they’re too weak for a
direct military attack and avoid open murders, preferring to employ terrorism and
terrorists in addition to assassins.

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By PatrickHenry, April 22, 2012 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

tic,

List the countries which the Iranian military has attacked and invaded. Your habit of making false claims without proof is all too common as is your racist attitude towards muslims and their elected governments.

Sending Hezbollah and Hamas a check doesn’t count.

I’ll bet I can cite many more examples of israeli armed aggression against other nations than Iranian ones.

Violent suppression of domestic protests isn’t unique to Iran.  It happens all too often here in the U.S. and with Patriot Act and NDAA laws recently crafted make any future protests in America dicey to say the least.

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By heterochromatic, April 22, 2012 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

PH—- bullshit. since the rise of Khomeini Iran has
attacked plenty of people.


that trite crap about 200 years overlooks the fact
that Iran since the revolution is a hell of a lot
different than prior to it.

the greatest bit of continuity is in government
structure within Iran which remains an authoritarian
regime. Externally Iran seeks to expand its influence
and export its revolution and is not at all reticent
to spill blood to do that.

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By PatrickHenry, April 22, 2012 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

tic,

Iran hasn’t attacked anyone in in over 200 years, so get your head out of your own bunghole, hasbarat.

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By heterochromatic, April 21, 2012 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

Patsy, thou bunghole, Iran IS the neighborhood bully.

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By PatrickHenry, April 21, 2012 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

tic,

if Iran wants to have a nuclear then it is justified because people are trying to stop
it from having a nuclear weapon.

Common sense is not your stong point.

Iran is a country sitting on a sea of oil desired by other nations who think they can dictate what Iran can and cannot do by way of threats and intimidation.

If you can’t see why Iran would desire a nuke to defend itself from the neighborhood bullies then your either blind or a bully yourself.

More emphasis should be made on israels undeclared nuclear arsenal and their indiscrimminate killing of civilians than on what Iran may do.

When the nuke goes off in Tel Aviv it won’t be the Iranians.

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By heterochromatic, April 21, 2012 at 7:43 am Link to this comment

if Iran wants to have a nuclear then it is justified because people are trying to stop
it from having a nuclear weapon.

logic ain’t your strong point, PH.

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By PatrickHenry, April 21, 2012 at 6:33 am Link to this comment

Marshall,

I support the NPT and so does Iran. 

If Iran wants a nuclear weapon as a deterrent against israei and American threats then it has more than been justified by the fleets stationed off their coasts, illegal overflights of their country and murder of their scientists.

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By Marshall, April 21, 2012 at 12:00 am Link to this comment

By PatrickHenry, April 20 at 2:23 am Link to this comment

“What Iran does as far as self defense is none of America’s business”

So you don’t support NNTP and the UN’s efforts to prevent Iran from obtaining
nuclear weapons?  This isn’t about who has the moral high ground, nor is it about
a single country’s crusade to disuade Iran.  It’s about preventing more nuclear
weapons from being in more hands across the world… especially ideologically
driven, threat-prone hands like those of the current hard-line Iranian regime and
the Revolutionary Guard that virtually runs the country.  But then it sounds like
you have absolutely no problem with a nuclear Iran?

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By PatrickHenry, April 20, 2012 at 3:23 am Link to this comment

Marshall,

How about the legions of Americans beaten and tasered in the latest OWS protests?  How are they different?

What Iran does as far as self defense is none of America’s business or israels for that matter.  The daily threat of attack on Iran by israel as constantly droned on about in the press and on TV is somewhat tiring in that israel hasn’t the means to follow through with its threats sans nukes and is attempting to goad American in involving itself into what is a regional matter and puts my children, home and community at stake for the sake of zionist paranoia. 

As israel has undeclared and uninspected nuclear weapons they and any of their proxies (US} have no moral justification to engage the Iranians for wanting a deterrant to those known but poorly undisclosed armaments.

A clearer case of do as we say but not as we do does not exist.

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By Marshall, April 19, 2012 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

By PatrickHenry, April 19 at 2:49 am Link to this comment

“It’s your opinion that Iran is ‘corrupt and duplicitious’.”

...and that of legions of Iranians who were beaten to a pulp in recent demonstrations.

Iran is duplicitous because it talks about transparency and denies nuclear programs that we know it recently had, and likely still has.  It’s policy goal is to prolong negotiations as long as possible while it develops the ability to make nuclear weapons should it decide to do so.

“China and Russia are on the side of Iran in all of this and only want the U.S. to withdraw their forces from the region as most Americans want.”

China and Russia, like all countries, have their own self-interests in mind here and it has nothing to do with our troop presence in the region, which is shrinking anyway.  The difference is that they seem willing to accept the specter of a nuclear Iran while the west is not.  They’re putting their financial interests over the global good and it’s short-sighted and very very dangerous.

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By prosefights, April 19, 2012 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

Hello Moonraven,

Stupidty is difficult to underestimate.

Robert Fencil Wallace
PhD university of Minnisota 1948, economics
http://www.econ.umn.edu/library/grad_year.html

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By prosefights, April 19, 2012 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

Hello Moonraven,

Moderation is a form of sensorship.

MSM tries to shape news, not report it, for its agenda.

Regards,

Google ‘embedded controller forth for the 8051 family’

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By heterochromatic, April 19, 2012 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

PH——- Yeah, i must be impaired not to believe Russia’s various words and
concentrate instead on their actions.

Just for the heck of it, my friend, why don’t you review how much Russia was paid
for their help in constructing Bushehr since signing on in 1995, how many time
the work was suspended and the terms revised and how many times Russia voted
for sanctions.

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By prosefights, April 19, 2012 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic has made almost 4000 posts (3666 to be exact five minutes ago) in just over 7 months of his “membership” on this site.

Stopping him may mean censorship?

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By PatrickHenry, April 19, 2012 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

tic,

China and Russia are working in the interests of China and Russia….and they’ve no strong ties to Iran

Obviously you’re learning impaired and believe only the hasbarat POV.  Read the articles I posted previously where Russia regards Iran as their neighbor and is actively helping Iran develop nuclear power.  Check the other article where China would regard any attack on Iran as a threat and respond with military force.

Like I said, you must be learning impaired to believe otherwise.

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By moonraven, April 19, 2012 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

And heterochromatic has made almost 4000 posts (3666 to be exact five minutes ago) in just over 7 months of his “membership” on this site.

That’s less than 1000 dollars from his employers at his current rate—unless he invoiced both the US government agency and the Isareli agency for the same posts.

Get a job, you low-roller troll!

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By moonraven, April 19, 2012 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

I don’t see points that are not made.

I have yet to see you make any on truthdig.

Perhaps points are made in a parallel universe where this poster does not live, but I seriously doubt it.

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By heterochromatic, April 19, 2012 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

yes, you do fail to see other people’s points….....it’s part of your problems.

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By moonraven, April 19, 2012 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

I fail to see your point, but then I suppose you were not making one—just billing another quarter to the coffee can.

When you DO have a point to make, do advise us.

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By heterochromatic, April 19, 2012 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

the subject was literacy of the population…

too confused to follow the conversation?


here’s on link of the many available.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate


and 71st was better than it ever was before…...a dozen years earlier, it was at the
same level as Mexico’s…..

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By moonraven, April 19, 2012 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

“Tossed by popular demand”—is that what they call the genocidal wars against native peoples for their land and resources—including all the ones that you gringos are waging now.

Meanwhile, pimp for patriotism and genocide, I would like you post the quote PLUS the link to document your statement that Venezuela is the 71st country—in terms of what?

Population?

Gross income per capita?

Number of whites?

You just throw cheap spaghetti from the food bank at the wall without even boiling it, and hope it’ll stick.

Another quarter in the coffee can.

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By heterochromatic, April 19, 2012 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

moonbat—-“who claims all Mexicans are uneducated!
“.


I’ve reached the point where I can no longer believe you’re as fucked-up as you
pretend.

Might be best if you either stopped this incessant shit or leave before you get
tossed by popular demand.

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By moonraven, April 19, 2012 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

And another racist steraming shitpile from hetero—who claims all Mexicans are uneducated!

The educated ones can get jobs here in Mexico, so do not have to scrub toilets at taco Bell in Irvine.

Which reminds me, Taco Bell might pay better than your twobit employer does for your excremental vision posted on truthdig.

Back to the topic at hand, Iran is much less dangerous to all life forms on the planet than Gringolandia.

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By heterochromatic, April 19, 2012 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

PH—- you keep insisting that China and Russia are ‘on the side” of Iran and it’s
simply not supported by the facts….and simply isn’t true.

China and Russia are working in the interests of China and Russia….and they’ve no
strong ties to Iran

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By PatrickHenry, April 19, 2012 at 3:49 am Link to this comment

Marshall,

China and Russia continue to piss us off through their ongoing business dealings with a corrupt and duplicitous regime.  They’ll regret this if they wake up one morning to the sound of an Iranian nuclear test.

It’s your opinion that Iran is ‘corrupt and duplicitious’.  I see them no more so than the U.S. and much more honest than the zionist regime in israel which is guilty of everyting Iran is accused of.

China and Russia are on the side of Iran in all of this and only want the U.S. to withdraw their forces from the region as most Americans want.

Only the militarists and zionists want to continue down the road to disaster mainly due to financial and self serving political reasons.

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By heterochromatic, April 18, 2012 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

I mention Mexico, moonbat, because you claim to be living down there and
looking down your beak at us up here. you’re a sad sack of stuff, goatboy and
probably enjoy living among the uneducated so as to avoid dealing with people
who would understand how shallow and untruthful your patter is.

venezuela is doing much better with literacy and has vaulted up to 71th place
among the nations of the world when only a dozen years ago, it was no better
than Mexico.

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By moonraven, April 18, 2012 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

Well, that illiteracy figure you say is lower than Mexico’s won’t be lower much longer.

Just as the Gini measures more than simple financial equality (poor folks generally have less formal education than rich folks) and the Gini of the US is the same as Mexico’s, you are becoming each other very fast.

Now, if you wanna go further south and talk about Venezuela—which has erradicated illiteracy and has a Gini down there with the Scaninavian countries, go for it, hatespeech headbanger.

Any time you feel lucky.

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By heterochromatic, April 18, 2012 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

when all ya got is hatred and that peculiar form of self-hatred that evidences itself
in a show of inappropriate preening vanity,  it’s hard to loosen the old bird claws.

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By IMax, April 18, 2012 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

Moonbat,

Te prometo que te sentirás mejor si aprendes a soltar el odio.

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By heterochromatic, April 18, 2012 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

the literacy rate in the US is quite a bit higher than it is down Mexico way, of
course…...and the majority of the immigrants from Mexico to the US are
uneducated people.


THAT sorta skews the stats a bit, as well,

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By moonraven, April 18, 2012 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

I have never noticed that PatrickHenry was dishonest.

You and your sockpuppet heteroxymoron, on the other hand, have never posted one statement that was true on this site—in any language.

I’m still laughing over your level 1 (absolute beginner) mistake in Spanish—thanks to thinking you could fool me with an online dictionary—of putting “el camino” instead of “en la manera de que”.

As folks who are specialists in language teaching and acquisition know:  You can never be proficient in a second language if your first language infrastructure is inadequate.

If you had known that the correct form in ENGLISH was not “the way adults write” but “in the way adults write”, you would have realized your stupid mistake right off.

Level 2 English—pretty lame for someone living all his life in Gringolandia.

But then that 40% functional illiteracy rate of gringos is not something that happened accidentally, nor overnight.

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By IMax, April 17, 2012 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHimmler,

I myself will warn against an attack on Iran.  You fail to make any salient point by continuously changing the subject. 

Good grief.  Does your dishonesty know no bounds?

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By Marshall, April 17, 2012 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

By PatrickHenry, April 17 at 2:37 am Link to this comment

Patrick,

Iran repeatedly claims it doesn’t want nuclear weapons, and the U.S. is only one of many countries encouraging them to confirm that through transparency (the most motivated being Iran’s immediate neighbors). 

China and Russia continue to piss us off through their ongoing business dealings with a corrupt and duplicitous regime.  They’ll regret this if they wake up one morning to the sound of an Iranian nuclear test.  The only thing that may stand between now and that time is a determined international community dedicated to non-proliferation… or do you not support that?

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By prosefights, April 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

Listen up guys.

This is not unrelated.

http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrider/pics/apodaca/glickdeny.pdf

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By moonraven, April 17, 2012 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

YOUR link indicates the following, lying pimp for patriotism:

“The top five source countries of U.S. petroleum imports in 2011, were Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Nigeria. Their respective rankings vary depending on whether you consider total/gross petroleum imports or net petroleum imports (gross imports minus exports).  Net imports from OPEC countries accounted for 52% of U.S. net imports.”

Note that it says 2011—and also indicates that it depends on how it’s calculated.

My list was last week’s in La Jornada.  Supplied by the MEXICAN government.

I have always despised weak, lying, duplicitous and cowardly patriots.  Stop living off your wife’s income and get a real job.

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By moonraven, April 17, 2012 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

YOUR link indicates the following, lying pimp for patriotism:

“The top five source countries of U.S. petroleum imports in 2011, were Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Nigeria. Their respective rankings vary depending on whether you consider total/gross petroleum imports or net petroleum imports (gross imports minus exports).  Net imports from OPEC countries accounted for 52% of U.S. net imports.”

Note that it says 2011—and also indicates that it depends on how it’s calculated.

My list was last week’s in La Jornada.  Supplied by the MEXICAN government.

I have always despised weak, lying, duplicitous and cowardly patriots.  Stop lilving off your wife’s income and get a real job.

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By heterochromatic, April 17, 2012 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

canada
mexico
saudi arabia

are the top three suppliers

http://205.254.135.7/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=36&t=6


mannerless shitpile.

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By moonraven, April 17, 2012 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

Liar.

Venezuela is the number three supplier of petroleum to you gringos—after Canada (1) and Saudi Arabia (2).You ungrateful goons recive more than a million barrels a day of Venzuelan petroleum.

Mexico is the number 4 supplier, followed by Nigeria.

That was of last week.

As for Venezuela’s production drying up—hardly.  And since it has the largest CERTIFIED reserves on the planet, it can afford to play with its profits any way it sees fit.

Here in Mexico the pols take the profits from PEMEX and build mansions for themselves.

In Venezuela, the people get the profits from PDVSA in a number of poverty-reducing forms, as well as housing, universal education, subsidies for food, free medical care, and a long list of etceteras.

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By heterochromatic, April 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

the gas flow from Venezuela dried up as their production dropped by 30% and
their commitment to sell discounted oil to China ate up most of the rest….....more
a problem for the Venezuelan people than for us.

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By moonraven, April 17, 2012 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

If the shit hits the fan, a gallon of gas in Gringolandia wil hit the stratosphere, as there will be none from Venezuela coming your way.

That leaves the Saudis—already producing beyond their infrastructural means, Canada, and Mexico (whose production goes down month by month because of obsolete infrastructure and corruption and whose reserves are down to the last 8 years).

Have fun.  I remember the several block long lines at gas stations in the 70s….

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By heterochromatic, April 17, 2012 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment

PH——the policy of both nations is to retain a position that’s apart from either
side…....
Russia’s position is pretty much against Iran’s weapons program and not at all
aligned w/the theocracy…...the Russian refusal to deliver the S-300s and their
voting for sanctions speaks more loudly than some rhetoric.

China is going to take the rols of peace-maker as the Iran’s no longer accept the
Russians as neutral apres the S-300 renege.

Neither one of them has any plans to do any fighting for Iran if the shit hits the
fan.

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By PatrickHenry, April 17, 2012 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

It’s about time you hasbara bookends got some new propaganda talking points.

Russia and China have seen the BS propaganda war against Iran and have made it known.

http://americanfront.info/2012/01/15/russia-warns-us-against-attack-on-iran/

http://revolutioninmedia.com/2012/03/29/china-warns-us-leave-iran-alone/

To think their warnings are anything else is a fools folly.

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By moonraven, April 17, 2012 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Obscene infantil poster IGNORED.

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By heterochromatic, April 17, 2012 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

moonie- I’m sure that your mommy liked to work herself into a lather with a pack
of hot dogs.

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By moonraven, April 17, 2012 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

More pissing in the sandbox by the piecework poster hetero/imax.

He gets 25 cents a post so he has to post his ass off here 24/7 to pay for the hotdogs.

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By IMax, April 17, 2012 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

I’ve personally not seen anything which would leave me to believe Beijing and Moscow are angry with the United States over opposition to Iran becoming a nuclear weapons state.  Both Beijing and Moscow have joined within the context of the United Nations, along with the Arab League, in their opposition to Iran.

I always feel a need to make one thing clear after PatrickHenry and others place every focus on Israel. - No one is clamoring for a nuclear arm race in the Arab world due to Israel.  But any mention of Iran possessing nuclear weapons throws up immediate talk between Arab nations of a need to pursue their own nuclear weapons capabilities.  No longer are Arab allies content under the “American nuclear umbrella” if Iran gains nuclear weapons.

Obviously there’s something about Iran which the Arab world, as a whole, finds frightening.  It seems so very odd to ignore this if human lives is near the top of the agenda.

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By heterochromatic, April 17, 2012 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

Russia and China aren’t all that pissed off and aren’t allies of iran or in favor of a
nuclear-armed Iran.

(And we’ve little reason to worry about pissing them off)

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By PatrickHenry, April 17, 2012 at 3:37 am Link to this comment

Marshall,

I didn’t know it was the U.S. place to dictate who was able to possess nuclear weapons and who couldn’t.

We continue to waste large amounts of money and piss off the other regional players (Russia and China) in our dealings with Iran while we still send israel money in violation of our own law.

United States hypocrisy is legendary.

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By Marshall, April 16, 2012 at 11:33 pm Link to this comment

This article begins with a couple of serious inaccuracies: 1) that Iran is categorically uninterested in a nuclear weapon.  This is refuted by the latest NIE that makes clear that Iran had a nuclear weapons program through 2003, so it’s obviously open to the idea.  And 2) that our actions might lead to armed conflict with Iran.  In fact, that conflict started some time ago.  The evidence is in Iran’s supply of IED devices and training used against US troops in Iraq as well as its direct support of Hezbollah which attacked our ally Israel. 

In this light, it’s hard to argue that we should let Iran’s petulant reactions and sabor-rattling dictate global policy towards its nuclear weapons program.  The article even unwittingly makes a counterargument to its own premise when it cites our previous embargo which resulted in… exactly what we’d like to see
happen now: regime change.  While there may also have been negative consequences, it’s hard to argue that there are anymore negative consequences than Iran obtaining a bomb, which is the likelihood if we do nothing.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

prose—- Why didn’t Iran go solar?
——


you take their claims that they’re in the nuclear business for the “cheap” energy
seriously????????

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By prosefights, April 16, 2012 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

Surfboy

Google ‘ryan crocker j orlin grabbe’

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By prosefights, April 16, 2012 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

Why didn’t Iran go solar?

Monday April 16, 2012 20:12

Google ‘hybrid owners one and done’

And finally, while we’re on the topic of energy, here’s a submission from Fellow Reckoner, V. Forbes, who writes in from our old home state of Queensland, Australia. This one ought to inspire a few responses. Writes Mr. Forbes…

Generating electricity from solar panels in cold, cloudy Northern Europe is like growing pawpaws in Iceland — it can be done, but who would be so silly as to try?

Germany was silly enough to try. Germany gets about an hour of useful sunshine per day in winter — solar power is weakest just when they need it most. But they have installed about half of the world’s solar panels. Germany’s Q-Cells, once the world’s biggest manufacturer of solar panels, just went broke. So did four other German solar companies.Sunny California also tried, but despite a half billion dollar loan from US tax payers, solar panel manufacturer Solyndra went broke. Solar Trust of America, recently offered $2 billion in loan guarantees by US tax payers, has also filed for bankruptcy.

All the European PIIGS have tried — and the waste of taxpayer funds on failing green energy schemes is a major reason for their parlous financial state.

The only sensible participant in the solar industry is China — they make panels very cheaply using coal or nuclear power and sell them to green dreamers.

The reason green energy creates so much red ink is pretty obvious — it just needs one day’s observation of the sun.

Full strength solar energy is available around midday for maybe 8 hours each day, providing the skies are clear, and there is no dust on the panels, and you are in a tropical zone. For the other 16 hours of the day, most electricity must come from reliable energy sources like gas, hydro, coal or nuclear. This about doubles capital and operating costs for no increase in output.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

Imax spanglish IGNORED.

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By prosefights, April 16, 2012 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

Nancy Burns’ filing grosses us out.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmgco/intervene/hearing/hurstfinding1/ramirez2.pdf

Please note that Ms Burns waited until final minutes to file.

You always want to do this in such matters for reason you may think of something else.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmgco/intervene/hearing/hearing#decision

Regards,

http://www.radiojavan.com/mp3s/mp3/Ahmad-Saeedi-Dooset-Daram

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

will any of this be on the final?

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By IMax, April 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment

Te prometo que te sentirás mejor si aprendes a soltar el odio.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

My final gratuitous correction to your spanglish word salad—you wrote:

“Escribo el camino adultos escribir….LOL”

Escribo is the only part of this phrase that is correct.  Translation:  I write.

El camino makes no sense with the verb that means to write, as camino is road.  And adults do not write roads.

Your final word, typically a gringo illiterate error, is the verb escribir INFINITIVE form.

Adultos escriben.  Adulto do not ESCRIBIR.

You are now on IGNORE poliglot illiterate!

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By IMax, April 16, 2012 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

‘I am not confuzed.  I have never been confuzed.  I am not iliterate.  Millions of gringos are—as evedenced by the incoharent posts on this site.  I’m off this infantile site.’ — Moonragin,  March 2012


Escribo el camino adultos escribir….LOL

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

DIFFERENCE.

Your spanglish is contagious….and useless.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

You write like an illiterate gringo.

Which, of course, you are.

Learn to write correctly in spanish if you want to post it here.

Even a monolingual gringo can see there’s a big diference between what I posted in Spanish and your spanglish word salad that I used as a base to write CORRECTLY.

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By IMax, April 16, 2012 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

No es muy original…LOL, Moonbat.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

I’ll help out the pathetic stinking maxipad just one time:

Usted debería dejar de promover al odio aquí en Truthdig.  Apestas más cada día.

That’s the first and last favor you’ll get from me, stenchful troll.

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By IMax, April 16, 2012 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

Moonbat,

Usted debe dejar caer el odio.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Gotta post one more update to Obombers Stink-the-Place-out fiasco in Cartagena:

Yesterday Obomber confused the Islas Malvinas with the Maldives!

http://www.aporrea.org/internacionales/n203072.html

He is just as geographically-challenged as the rubes and boobs posting on Truthdig.

No wonder you voted for his lying scrawny ass.

And will vote for him again.

He’s your boy.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

Imax claims to “discuss world affairs”.

That qualifies as the Hilarious Lie of the Week here on TD.

As for the lying little stinking maxipad’s claim that I cannot teranbslate Spanish and that it has spoken spanish since it was 4—not on this planet, stenchful one.  No spanish speaker in any country would understand a single phrase you have posted here—wrong modes, wrong tenses, wrong vocabulary, wrong grammar and syntax.  Language is used to communicate, not to post word salad in internet.  What a fatuous fool.

Thanks for those of you who support my efforts to bring facts and information to this site.

Two final comments on the Cartagena summit:

1.  Since the presidents of Venezuela, Nicaragua and Ecuador did not even attend, and the prsidents of Brazil and Bolivia left early, and the host president the rightwing Santos (and second recipient of US aid after Israel) gave Obomber the blast, and the chncellor of Venezuela Nicolas Maduro told Obomber that he was out of touch with the rality of the hemisphere and should stop trying to impose gringo “superiority” by blind force, Obomber ended up with not much of an audience—and what there was disagrees with his Nixon plan to continue the War on Drugs.  There was no final declaration from the summit, and

2.  Twelve secret service agents were canned and sent home on Saturday for boozing it up with prostitutes and starting street fights and Hillary the Hag put on her prosti-suit to rumba and knock back beer in the bars in Cartagena.

Gringos do not know how to behave themselves. neither at home nor in other countries.  They are the Ugly Americans of this American hemisphere.

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By IMax, April 16, 2012 at 7:10 am Link to this comment

vector,

As I’ve said in the recent past, it’s tough discussing world affairs with you.

In another thread concerning Iran (the victim) you began by insisting that Arab States neighboring Iran are nothing but simple-minded puppets which vote in the U.N. consistent with the United States.  I then illustrated how that is not actually the case, that no Arab country voted more than 33% of the time with the United States in 2010, you quickly changed your narrative by insisting the entire U.N. must be phony from the outset (Iran must remain the victim).

On yet another thread you pointed toward an issue wherein the bulk of Arab nations disagree with the United States.  You used these divisions toward illustrating just how wrong are the policies of the U.S. in the Middle East.  On that issue you insisted Arab nations have minds and opinions of their very own which the hegemonic U.S. unjustly ignore.

You now insist China is subservient to U.S. interests (Iran must remain the victim). 

It’s tough discussing world affairs with you.  Truly very tough.

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By prosefights, April 16, 2012 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

1 The US produces only 7% of the uranium it consumes, Byron King reported.

2 Five new generators are on track for completion this decade, including two reactors approved just a few weeks ago (the first new reactor approvals in the US in over 30 years). Those will add to the 104 reactors that are already in operation around the country and already produce 20% of the nation’s power.

Those reactors will eat up 19,724 tonnes of U3O8 this year, which represents 29% of global uranium demand. If that seems like a large amount, it is! The US produces more nuclear power than any other country on earth, which means it consumes more uranium that any other nation. However, decades of declining domestic production have left the US producing only 4% of the world’s uranium.

With so little homegrown uranium, the United States has to import more than 80% of the uranium it needs to fuel its reactors. Thankfully, for 18 years a deal with Russia has filled that gap. The “Megatons to Megawatts” agreement, whereby Russia downblends highly enriched uranium from nuclear warheads to create reactor fuel, has provided the US with a steady, inexpensive source of uranium since 1993. The problem is that the program is coming to an end next year.

The Upside to a Natural Gas Downturn
Marin Katusa, for The Daily Reckoning
Monday April 2, 2012

3 Reports suggest that America’s second demand will be the export of Iran’s stockpile of medium-enriched uranium.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17702151

Google ‘Case No. 12-00007-UT’ to learn more about possible large-scale solar generation of electrcity fraud in New Mexico.

1, 2 and 3 are related, we believe. 

And google ‘solar pollution riots china’ too.

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By gerard, April 15, 2012 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

vector: The subtext question is “Why would Iran want to develop nuclear weapons? Your “held hostage” statement is the significant problem.’
hetero: “If Iran was sincere about not building weapons, and wishes to engage in peaceful trade with the Western world and its allies, the regime need do no more than give evidence of sincerity and amity.”  Substitute the word “Iran” with “the U.S. and Russia” and you got it!
hetero:  Wilson tried, which is more than most of care enough to do.
IMax: We have to talk about U.S. policy because we are all U.S. citizens, and because U.S. has far more “influence” for better or for worse in the world than any other nation.
balkas, sad to say, is right on the self-conceit bit.
inherit:  Thanks for the comment. I am also    
  suspicious of the TD change.
IMax: The “global community” you speak of doesn’t want the U.S. to have or develop more nuclear weapons either, but because the US is so “powerful” there is little they can do about it.
Moonraven: Thanks for restatint the obvious truth that the U.S. doesn’t want to hear:  The U.S. is out of touch with reality.
jimmmmmmmmmy; Thanks for the course correction.
 
The rest is a mix bat-headed invective and scatology.

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

vec—- the phrase was “white devils”....not Western ones…... gweilo

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By Why TD, April 15, 2012 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment
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Why TD ?  Just sent in proof that MoonRaven is the mole and you didn’t publish it after saying “thank you for your submission?” 

Moonraven may know a few Spanish words but he misses entire contexts within which those words are spoken.

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By vector56, April 15, 2012 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

IMax;


to answer your question concerning China’s position on Iran’s nuclear energy program; China is heavily invested in America (T-Bills and Foxconn sweat shops) therefore can be swayed by their economic interest to “play ball” with the “Great Satan”.

Ironic isn’t it that the Iranians call America the “Great Satan and the Chinese once called us “Western Devils”?

IMax, if you have sank so low as to promote the position of the Chinese government; a government who allows it’s own people to be used as “slave labor” to the lowest corporate bidder, then you are are truly morally bankrupt.

Like Moonraven, I consider Castro and Hugo the “good guy”; the fact that a few here would cheer at the thought of ending their lives (like the Cuban exiles in FL) drives home the point that America is not so much a country as it a collection of enemies.

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By 2badTDwentLoony, April 15, 2012 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment
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Imax:  MoonRaven’s Apr 15 at 2:13pm totally omitted the obvious in translating why those guys protested the summit.

Monnraven got stuck on “igual” which does mean equal as in: “all men are created equal” with observable reality; that the U.S. and other countries are technological equals. 

This is beyond laughable. 

I wouldn’t trust Moonraven’s translations. He might be able to translate: a dos por quatro is a 2x4;  he just can’t tell whether its attached to an out house or a barn!

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

moonie—your boys are at death’s door and their idiotic patchwork states of
repression will be buried with them… I can only hope you live another couple of
years and bear witness to how little they’ll be missed.

being a mean-mouthed ugly-minded lying and bigoted old bat, you’ll probably
still be flapping your leathery old lips and wings before you get flushed down the
old crapper and I’ll enjoy thinking of how you’ll still be lyin and denyin

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By IMax, April 15, 2012 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

‘I am not confuzed.  I have never been confuzed.  I am not iliterate.  Millions of gringos are—as evedenced by the incoharent posts on this site.  I’m off this infantile site.’ -  shock

—Moonragin,  March 2012

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By IMax, April 15, 2012 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

Moonbat,


Ahhh you’re an “expert”.  Well then, by all means,  Venezuela does have a Chancellor after all! - wink

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In the video clip you mangled Foreign Minister Maduro was talking about how Canada and the United States appose Cuba’s presence at future meetings. - I’ve spoken the language since I was 4 years old, Meanbeat…LOL.  You won’t be able to pull this off, kiddo.  Neither Maduro nor Rouseff said anything of the kind.

I’ll now defer to your expert rants.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

In your dreams, headbanger.

In your mariguana xanax patriot dreams.

No more chances to parasite your two bit posts off me today, pinche pieacework peon.

I am outa here.

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

we’re not much blocking Cuba any more moonie as we anticipate the imminent
flushing of Fidel   and the lesser Castro’s regime…........they’ll be bixed about the
same time as Hugogoes.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

That should be 2009, but it’s ancient history anyway.

Sound of the flushing of Gringolandia into the sewers of history….

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

Maxipad:

Still stinkin’ the place out here with your lies.

The pasrts of the articles I translated said exactly what I said they said.

Don’t try to drag in other parts to confuse folks like you who are not literate in any language.

Only 12 year olds still posts LOL in internet.  And most of them are SOOOOOOO OVER THAT.

BTW:  No one is opposing the inclusion of Cuba as a voting member of the OEA—in 1009 Cuba’s gringo-imposed ban was lifted and Cuba was invited to return to the OAS.

Pres. Castro indicated that the OAS was obsolete, now having been replaced with the curent coalition of Latin American and Caribbean countries which EXCLUDES te S and Canada, and that Cuba would not be rejoining.

The point on which THIS summit twirled was that Cuba should be able to attend the hemispheric summits WITHOUT rejoining the OAS. 

There simply will not be any more of these sumits, as the new coalition is gaining steam and Cuba will have the presidency of it next year.

You are waaaaay out of your depth here, pinche piecework peon.  Trying to shout down an expert on Latin America.

The ultimate in gringo arrogance and stupidity.

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

moonie not only won’t you get to cook my books, but you don’t ecen get to gobble
on my goat.

wouldn’t even let you clean up my dog’s poop or his pooper.

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By IMax, April 15, 2012 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

LOL…you’re silly.

Foreign Minister Maduro is talking about the rebirth of the ideals of Bolivar all over the world.  He goes on to say that Canada and the U.S. seem unaware of realities in LATIN AMERICA, and how each are opposing any inclusion of Cuba as a voting member, Meanravin.

I know the language.  You will not be able to twist other’s words and simply make these things up, Moonbat.  Good grief. wink

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

Hettie the Headbanger:

I’ll cook YOUR books.

But it’ll cost you very big bucks.

I don’t think, on your piecework wage of 2 bits a post here that you can afford my services.

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment

being tossed in the trash….. mean that she’s now in
you?

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

Now that the stinking overused Maxipad has been tossed in the trash where it belongs,
perhaps folks who actually are literate in one or more languages can discuss this issue without further ankle-biting from the stenchful one.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

Newsflash:

Maxipad cannot read diddly squat in either Spanish or English!

From the VERY SAme article i posted the link to:

“Desde Cartagena de Indias en Colombia, el representante de Venezuela ante la llamada Cumbre de las Américas, refiere que: “estamos viendo el renacimiento del ideal de Bolívar” y considera que el tono de respeto, la claridad en los discernimientos y la unión quedan demostrados cuando 32 de los 34 países participantes, llegan a valientes acuerdos, a pesar de las discrepancias, dejando de lado la posición de Estados Unidos y Canadá “que pretende ser superior, imponerse por la fuerza, obcecada y no tiene nada que ver con el mundo que ya existe en América Latina y que se está construyendo en todo el planeta”.

BEGINNING WITH DEJANDO DE LADO TRANSLATIOON IS:  The position of the United States and Canada, who “try to be superior, impose themselves by blind force, and has nothing to do withthe world now existing in latin America and which is being constructed in the whole planet.”

Sit on that and twirl, phony pimp for patriotism.

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By IMax, April 15, 2012 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

Moonbat

LOL….stop…you’re killing me. 

I thought you would show us where and when “Chancellor Maduro” told someone how the American President “thinks that ‘it’ is superior and that all other countries should follow its orders, and that it is the only sovereign state on the planet.”

This will not bode well for you, Meanravin. - wink

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Here’s the part about the president of Brazil, who, along with the president of Bolivia decided that the summit was a waste of time, cancelled the rest of her bilateral meetings and left:

Quien no hizo mención a la isla fue Obama, quien prefirió centrar su intervención en los temas comerciales y de integración económica. El presidente norteamericano había participado a la mañana en el cierre del Foro Económico que se organizó en paralelo a la cumbre. Compartió escenario, sentados en sillones, con la presidenta de Brasil, Dilma Rousseff, y con Santos. Hubo cruces, aunque de tono amable. Rousseff le dijo a Obama que si bien su país y su economía tienen la característica de ser poderosos, además de contar con el liderazgo en ciencia y tecnología, le corresponde el papel de desempeñar una labor que permita que las relaciones con la región sean de igual a igual. Obama tuvo una fina ironía sobre los planteos que le hacían por Cuba. Sin hacer ninguna referencia a la isla, dijo que no tenía sentido debatir problemas de hacía más de 50 años, de antes de que él naciera.


See the phrase IGUAL a IGUAL—it means as equals.

I rest my case against the hatespeech sockpuppet Maxipad and his other identity heteronym the headbanger.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment

PS to Maxipad:

I am the only adult posting here.

The rest of you are undeveloped larvae that your mothers locked out of the XXX sites so you are beating your feet to the Mississippi, etc. on this site.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

Imax:  Take a crack at this with your junior high spanish:

http://www.aporrea.org/internacionales/n203015.html

I’ll start it off by tranbslating the head (VIDEO) Canciller Nicolas Maduro: Obama ignora la realidad o actúa con un gran cinismo)

Chancellor Nicolas Maduro:  Obama is ignorant of reality or acts with great cynicism….

Ya never been past Peoria but you claim to be an expert on latin America, now, too.

You bigmouth blowhard gringos really make me laugh.

And puke, too.

Chavez was not too ill to attend anything.  When celebrating the ten years since the 2002 coup that blew up in Bush’s face (Chavez was back in power in less than 48 hours) he asked if he should go to Cartagena or to Cuba for his next round of radiation treatments, and the PEOPLE answered Cuba.

So he went.

He really didn’t need to chase off another gringo plastic president—it would be damned hard to top the theater event in Mar de Plata in 2005 when Chavez, Morales and Maradona took their shovels and BURIED Bush’s hemispheric free trade (sic) agreement and Bush left with what was left of his tail (after all those cans had been tied to it) between his legs!

YOUR hero just made a skinnyass fool of himself blowharding his bullyboy bluster at the leaders of the countries of this hemisphere.

Sort of like the fool you make of yourself here with your incoherent “spanish” and your pimping for patriotism for 2 bits a post.

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By jimmmmmy, April 15, 2012 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

This article is inside the bubble rubbish. Obamas Iran policy is working well,it drove up oil prices without having to eat the blame . Arabs killing arabs all over the middle east the U.S. selling mega tons of ordinance to all sides. The Bush doctrine on Steroids. No U.S. invasion required. This could work out okay for North Americans if the bankster are able to slightly restrain themselves , at least domestically.

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

ya might BE immortal ....as only the good die young.

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By IMax, April 15, 2012 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

Moonbat,

You can’t honestly believe you’re fooling adults here. wink

Nicolas Maduro is the Venezuela’s Foreign Minister.  Venezuela has no Chancellor .  And the only controversial thing from the Minister’s lips at the Summit of the Americas is that your hero was too ill to attend. 

Neither Manduro nor President Rouseff said anything of the kind….lol..come now. 

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Usted debe dejar caer el odio.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

But thanks, anyway, for having made me immortal—32,000 years is a pretty good run for a native person—if I lived on The Rez I’d have kicked the bucket just about 20 years ago, as the life expectancy of indigenous folks living on the Rez is 47-48 years (men first category).

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

This ain’t grand opera, piecework peon:

¿Por qué no te callas(, María)?

Source:  Doddering half-witted broken hipped spanish king (fell on his ass hunting and now has a plastic hip to go with his plastic culo).

Peons like you ain’t gonna shout down nobody.

Not even your mother.

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

what no one really does give a shit about is the opinions of Hugo’s flunkies.


¿Por qué no te callas?    .... remains hilarious and apt.

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By heterochromatic, April 15, 2012 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

I suspect that 32,000 years ago you had already begun bitching and belting out
bigoted bullshit.

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By moonraven, April 15, 2012 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

This silly shit has suckered in you folks for a debate on something that is none of your business.

The problem with the US, as Venezuelan Chancellor Nicolas Maduro pointed out clearly to Obomber yesterday in Cartegena, is that it thinks that it is superior and that all other countries should follow its orders, and that it is the only sovereign state on the planet.  It is out of touch with the global reality..

Brazilian president Dilma Rouseff followed up on that by telling Obomber that the US needs to treat the other countries as equals, not as subordinates.

You folks and your plastic “leader” just don’t get it.

Nobody cares what you folks want, as you—along with your buttwart Israel—are The Enemy.

Without the presence of the US and Israel, this planet could have a shot at survival for its life forms—maybe even some justice—and possibly even a period of peace.

We uppity folks are telling you to back off, and you keep belching belligerence and threatening to blow us all up.

I was thinking after watching Werner Herzog’s 3-D film Cave of Forgotten Dreams:  How very far we have fallen from 32,000 years ago—from respect for other life forms to an unremitting death wish for all of them.

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By IMax, April 15, 2012 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

Jeff N.,

I understand how very unpopular it is to point out that “the global community does not want Iran to have nuclear weapons”.  If, however, you can locate one government which does support Iran as a nuclear weapons state you should feel free to bring this to everyone’s attention. - I keep pointing out to gerard and others why we all need to deal with the world as it is.  Not as we wish it to be.

For my part I will continue to point out how the world does not revolve around the United States and to continue believing otherwise is the epitome of arrogance.

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By Jeff N., April 15, 2012 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

IMax -  “It just seems to me that, at some point, someone on these boards needs to talk about something other than the United States.”

And it seems to me that, at some point, you could talk about something besides the horrors of single-payer health care (with no supporting evidence), the “rampant violence” of OWS, or inundating us with nauseating, surface-level comments like “the global community does not want Iran to have nuclear weapons”.

But hey, we’ve all had to get used to redundancy on these boards, why can’t you?

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