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Posted on Jun 20, 2011
Illustration by Mr. Fish

By Chris Hedges

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“Generally in desperate times those in power do desperate things to hold on to their power in the name of order and security,” he went on. “That is when things have gotten really ugly in the localized examples of collapse that we have in history, whether they were economically induced as in Germany in the 1930s or environmentally induced as in Darfur. Rather than an opportunity for mass reflection, which it could be, where we could say we had this coming because of fundamental flaws in the way we structured our society, that maybe greed and competition were not the best values to base everything off of, rather than doing that, it is much more common in those historical examples to say, ‘Oh, it was because of those people.’ A class of people was scapegoated. The powerful said, ‘Those are the people who are causing our problems and if we take it out on them we can maintain order and security for the rest of us.’ That is when things get really ugly and dehumanizing.”

“We are starting to see hints of that already with the rather minor ripples that we have been having in the past few years with the economic situation,” he said. “Rather than admit the fundamental flaws, many of those in power have said, ‘Oh, it is because of those immigrants that are taking people’s jobs, or those Arabs, or those unions, whoever the scapegoat is, to try and vilify someone. What we are on track for are much larger ripples than we have had in the past couple years with the economic problems. If we go into that collapse with our current power structure and a world run by corporations, where we have ignorant and apathetic people who are afraid of their own government and think their job is to do what they are told, even if they think it is immoral, that is when things can get really ugly. If we go into that collapse with an awakened and educated population that views it as their role to create the society they want and hold their government accountable then we have the opportunity, whatever hardships we might face, to actually build a better world on the ashes of this one.”

“Our strategies must be to not only change our energy system and food system, but to change our power structures,” he said. “We shouldn’t be looking for the big corporations running the show to become a little greener and cleaner. We should be overthrowing those corporations running our government. Our job as a movement is not just to reduce emissions; while we still need to do that, we also have this other challenge of maintaining our humanity through whatever challenges lie ahead. This is much more abstract and foreign to this movement.”

“Civil disobedience puts us in a vulnerable position,” DeChristopher said. “It puts us in a position where we are refusing to be obedient to injustice. Civil disobedience puts us in a position where we are making a risk and possibly making a sacrifice to stand up against that injustice. It also puts us in a position where with that vulnerability we see how much we need other people. This is something I have experienced over the past few years as people have come out of nowhere to support me, to make actions more powerful and to help me personally get through this experience and grow from it. Appreciating these connections is one of the most important parts of resiliency. A lot of the unwillingness to take bold action is coming from a disempowerment that comes from a lack of connection. When we view ourselves as isolated individuals it does not make sense to stand up to a big powerful institution like a big corporation or big government. It is not until we gain the understanding that we are part of something much bigger that we feel empowered to take those necessary actions. This is a self-reinforcing cycle. The more we stick our neck out the more connected we become and the more empowered we become to do it again.”

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DeChristopher, who attends a Unitarian church in Salt Lake City, comes out of the religious left. This left, defined by Christian anarchists such as Dorothy Day, Philip Berrigan and his brother Father Daniel Berrigan, as well as Dr. Martin Luther King, takes a moral stance not because it is always effective but because it is right, because to live the moral life means that there is no alternative. This life demands a commitment to justice no matter how bleak the future appears. And what sustains DeChristopher is what sustained the religious radicals who went before him—faith.

“The connection to a religious community for me is a big part of the empowerment,” he said. “From talking with a lot of the old Freedom Riders and other folks in the civil rights movement, it was in the church community that people found the strength and the faith that, no matter what happened to them when they sat at that lunch counter or got on that bus, there would be another wave of people coming behind them to take their place and another wave behind that and behind that. And that is part of what is missing from the progressive community today. Part of my belief system is an appreciation of our connectedness to the natural world, the interconnected web of life of which I am a part. I am not an isolated individual, and this understanding is what empowers me, but also in a more direct way in that I am connected to the church community who I knew would support me. Sitting in that auction when I was deciding to do this I was thinking about whether anyone would support me. The people I knew would have my back were in the church. That helped drive me to action.”


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By Time Management, January 4, 2012 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

I am filled with disgust as I read the article. How can the justice system that we have come to rely upon to mete out true justice, favour the rich and powerful, while persecuting the righteous? It seems corporate America has already invaded the justice system, and turned it into another profit machine. The ones pulling the strings behind the whole scam must be pretty powerful people.

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By OzarkMichael, November 24, 2011 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

What was being auctioned off was stolen, so it should not have been sold in the first place. But nobody is investigating that crime.

The premise is something that could be discussed, yes.

The conclusion seems to be that since our hero disagreed with the concept of auctioning land that ‘ought not be sold’, he had the right to disrupt/skew/negate its proceedings. i am not sure i agree with that.

The problem with this is that people on the right also have a dim view of certain proceedings which we consider legalized crimes. Yet if we disrupt/skew/negate those proceedings we fully expect to go to jail for such action. I wonder how the Leftists manage to get above and around the consequence of going to jail for breaking the law?

However you manage, it is a double standard.
You will not grant me the same liberty you claim for yourself.

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By David J. Cyr, November 24, 2011 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

I was called for jury duty only once. The District Attorney promptly used a peremptory challenge to exclude me.

I have not been called back for jury duty, because the District Attorney knows that I know that he, with the assistance of an ex-cop judge, flagrantly suborned the perjury of a police officer — completely changing all exculpatory facts into incriminating fictions — in order to achieve an unwarranted conviction against me… for a minor traffic violation that I did not commit.

The amount of grievances against that incompetent cop eventually got him “fired” — fired, by means of giving him a high recommendation for a job advancement opportunity in another state.

The courts are where prosecutors go to persecute the innocent, while the criminals party with the corporate (R) & (D) party politicians they own.

There isn’t anything about the legal system that isn’t corrupt.

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By PatrickHenry, November 24, 2011 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

I’ve been tasked with jury duty a couple of times and while they (judge & prosecutor) attempted to intimidate me, I know my rights as a juror.

http://fija.org/

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By EmileZ, November 24, 2011 at 4:25 am Link to this comment

This has been nagging at me for a few days…

I should have replied to Ozark Michael that the prosecuter should not have brought up any charge more serious than a misdemeanor, and I as a jury member would have found him not guilty. NOT GUILTY!!!

From what I have read, Mr. DeChristopher had a pretty righteous defense.

Now it is time for me to think of some silly “Happy Thanksgiving” youtube video.

Wish me luck…..

“Fortune Cookie Prize” by Beat Happening

this is actually pretty OK sort of… I like it, sounds trivial, but it conjures up deep heartfelt feelings for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIig75RDwv4

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By kulu, November 23, 2011 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

Someone said “There are countless ways to dissent without breaking the law.” Ah but who makes the law, who enforces it and who interprets it? Are the laws about justice or control?
Does this apply in Burma, Syria, Egypt etc where the laws are even more unjust that than in the good old U S of A (although the US is doing its best to catch up, it seems)?

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By Not One More!, November 23, 2011 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

What was being auctioned off was stolen, so it should not have been sold in the first place. But nobody is investigating that crime.

Thank you Tim DeChristopher.

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By OzarkMichael, November 22, 2011 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

If the ploy works…

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By REDHORSE, November 22, 2011 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

“If the shoe fits—-”

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By OzarkMichael, November 22, 2011 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

Fascists don’t have to worry about locking up closed minded sheep, their minds are already in prison. The old “you’re a communist” ploy is as dead as the Cold War

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Unfortunately, the old “you’re a fascist” ploy is still quite effective.

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By Tommy B., November 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael

You said that they should throw the book at DeChristopher (sic.). 
Fine, he did break the law but it is up to the jury to decide using
the facts and their own thoughts about this situation as to whether he
deserves punishment.  DeChristopher’s explanation is that the Fathers
of this country established trial by jury in order to get the sense of
the community and a person’s crime in regard to the situation and not
just the abstract law. 
Injustice was served b/c the judge told them how to vote and implied
that a vote toward the defendant was wrong and there even could be
consequences for the juror.  Does that sound right to you, Ozark? 
Seriously? 
Also, DeChristopher had the money to pay for the initial buy and it
was later found that the entire auction was illegal.  Both of those
facts were in the blog by Hedges.  The law is not always right and if
our own branches of government and the people within the system trying
to keep the government in check (like the judicial system in this
case) are not working like they should, it takes a courageous man like
DeChristopher to do something about it.  What have you done in the
name of justice?

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By REDHORSE, November 22, 2011 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

There are countless political “direct actions” that can be taken to support dissent, raise American cosciousness, and bring about positive change without breaking the law.

  Anyone who still thinks terms like “left” or “right” still apply to this nightmare should wake up. Fascists don’t have to worry about locking up closed minded sheep, their minds are already in prison. The old “you’re a communist” ploy is as dead as the Cold War.

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By OzarkMichael, November 22, 2011 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

REDHORSE said:

Until you’re in the cell with the man or willing to take direct action in his defense you’re a poseur. C.Hedges walks the walk. Do you?

Now I see what this is about. Once again we have an Occupation method employed, and the idea is for the hero to break the rules without consequence. The idea of Truthdig and the posters here is to remove any penalty for ruining the auction so more people will perform the dame ‘direct action.’

However, breaking laws in order to make a political statement is not protected free spech. Leftists seem to think they are above the law while the rest of us are bound by it. This really isnt fair, and I dont think exceptions should be made for Leftists.

Now I say: “Throw the book at our hero”. (sorry Emile Z) If our hero committed a felony, thats his problem. Make it four years in prison, unless he can pay for the financial damage he caused.

And comrade REDHORSE, are you writing from a jail cell? No? Why arent you in prison? Why are you encouraging others to break the law and go to prison for your cause, when you havent done it yourself?

You are not a true revolutionary, you are just a big talker.

You sir, are a poseur!

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By REDHORSE, November 21, 2011 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment

Until you’re in the cell with the man or willing to take direct action in his defense you’re a poseur. C.Hedges walks the walk. Do you?

  Absolute thinking doesn’t serve your best interest and it clouds your reason. The evil is real. Your denial of the reality and refusal to take action defines your professional victimhood. Your choices will become ever more limited. In the end you’re gonna have to fight. Why not do it on your own terms?

    Tao Walker is correct. Until you unplug from the lie it will only grow stronger. It is a confusion of the Heart, Soul and Mind. Your rage and anger is a reaction to the fear you have of facing the Truth. A bully and a murdering thug are exactly that. Stop trying to rationalize it.

    “—-you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows—” B.Dylan

    (I hear you St.Cyr.)

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By OzarkMichael, November 21, 2011 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

Hmm. a misdemeanor. i dunno.

An auction where millions and millions of dollars of property was sold. 100 or more buyers. Our hero bid, and pushed the prices up, so that the eventual buyers paid more. Some of the lots were sold to our ‘hero’, which means they were taken out of the auction process altogether!

Is that a misdemeanor? Equivalent to reckless driving?
I dont know about legal stuff, so maybe you are right.

If you were one of the buyers who paid an extra $200,000 for a property, somehow i dont think you would let him off so easy. If you were the one who had to hold a second auction in order to sell our hero’s ‘property’, i think you would want our hero to at least pay that expense.

I dont really know if a misdemeanor is enough. I looked it up and it can include a year in jail, so yeah, i guess misdemeanor is about right.

I have to say, EmileZ, at least you answer questions straight on. Kudos.

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By prosefights, November 21, 2011 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

‘There are also growing numbers of people who suspect the US and Israel are about to start another war. The Republican candidates are talking about Big Sticks. They expect to get money from the defense industry…and votes from the lumpen voters… by promising to throw their weight around overseas.

A war with Iran might be hard to contain. At the very least, you’d expect the price of oil to soar…which would almost certainly seal the deal on a worldwide depression.’

?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beonoKiVYzY&feature=player_embedded

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By balkas, November 21, 2011 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

emileZ,
you have prodded me to reread what hedges wrote [i know, i know, he means well] i
would like to now quote only one of his statements that prodded me to declare that
he separates [or isolates] judiciary activities from the activities of W.H and congress.
right at the beginning he states, and i quote “...regulating agencies obeying
corporations….”  now, i am not sure whether he accidentally or intentional posits
regulating agencies and corporations as existing in [? total] isolation from what
administration and congress think/do? but he does!!

he s’mhow connects regulating agencies with corporations, but does not tell us how
that happened.
by implication, and [un]intetionally, he would have us believe that neither media nor
cia, fbi, W.H., congress, banksters, et al have not noticed anything unusual
happening between the two entities he [rightfully] accuses of wrong doing.

what, u.s a banana republic? in which generals think/do differently than banksters
and these differently than parliament and parliament/congress differently than msm
and it differently than clergy and each doing their own thing.

i do not think u.s is a banana republic. i see it as having the kind of SYSTEM in
which, what appears outside the system or unsystemic,  as also a part of that same
SYSTEM. [that’s the beauty of the SYSTEM: seemingly a messy/uncontrolable
situation being living part of it]

it is like supreme justices deciding a matter with a vote of 5 against 4 or in any other
ratio. in fact, when in it comes defending the SYSTEM [supreme court must be
systemic or heads would roll] decision had been brought down ages ago: the
judgment must always buttress the system. [and if a judge would not know what
harms the SYSTEM, millions of americans would scream it in hisher ear or demand
s/he be fired]

the split in congress, judiciary or even in administration is just a show and don’t tell.
yes, don’t tell them as long as they think, Oh my, how democratic and diverse,
tolerant of each other judges, politocos, are et al.
didn’t i tell you how it always; no matter how bad it looks, the cheques and balances
always balance out perfectly and my friend that’s the greatness of america.
i could reread all of the hedges’ piece to see if there are more examples of
separating what cannot be separated in naked reality.
but it’s past my bedtime. it’s 4 o’clock here and i am 90 yrs o.

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By Jeff N., November 21, 2011 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

this is completely off-topic, but I’m wondering if anyone on here can point me to a decent read on the U.S. Sanctions on Iran.  Saw a guy on Charlie Rose the other night, and it seems that the U.S. has crippled the economy with sanctions and I don’t quite understand the real reason.  Is it because of Israel, to hold down Islamic nations?  Or is there some political/economic incentive over in the U.S. for doing this?  The sanctions appear to have little or no effect on nuclear proliferation, so I can’t help but think the greedy claws of the Treasury or Congress are dug in deep for some more profitable reason.  Suggestions?

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By EmileZ, November 21, 2011 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

@ Ozark Michael

All things considered… I probably would not have found him guilty of anything more than a misdemeanor.

What kind of sentence do you think he should have received???

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By EmileZ, November 21, 2011 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

@ Ozark Michael

All things considered… I probably would not have found him guilty of anything more than a misdemeanor.

What kind of sentence do you think he should have recieved???

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By OzarkMichael, November 21, 2011 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

Emile Z said:

Anyhow, it seems the jury was not able to recieve all the relevant information. This is a travesty and it seems to occur frequently in cases that have a political dimension.

I wonder what you think the verdict should have been, and what price, if any, the defendent(our presumed hero) should pay for what he did?

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By balkas, November 21, 2011 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

i evaluate that blaming individuals, such as bloomberg, obama, judge benson,
bush, pali, does not elucidate the situation in u.s.
and i hope that OWS also sees that blaming individuals for the systemic sins or
perceived transgressions/wrongs] is not only a total waste of time, but actually
aids the system.
and i am not sure that i am the only one who espied this fact and posits it from
time to time on many sites i post.

hedges, sorry to note, always eschews this fact; including the fact that no protest
in u.s had to date changed anything structural in the system.

he also had opined that u.s constitution needs no changing. but, then, in that case,
the courts constituted by the u.s constitution and other laws have an absolute right
to judge anyone as they see fit.

all you can do is to appeal a court’s decision, but only if you have the money for
that.
however, it takes only a split second to note that an appeal on constitutional or
systemic matters, the system would have allowed and funded [if it had been fair]
an appeal on lawful and desirable grounds alone. tnx bozhidar balkas vancouver

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By EmileZ, November 21, 2011 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

@ balkas

RE: “i am surprised that hedges thinks of u.s constitutional or law courts as existing
apart from the other two branches of governances, multimillionaires, billionaires,
cia, army echelons, MSM editors/owners/columnists. tnx”

Did you read the entire article??? (there are four pages)

It is really about what happened to DeChristopher, his thoughts, and how he arrived at the decision to carry out this heroic act, almost entirely in his own words.

Hello???

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By balkas, November 21, 2011 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

u.s justice system is a living part of u.s system. thus, it does not matter who and
where s’mone violates it, s/he’d be punished in some ways and probably [if s/he
does not recant] suffer persecution from the system for the rest of his/her life
because of the violation.
recall that even a prez, nixon, had been punished for violating the system [or the
will of the 1%].

i am surprised that hedges thinks of u.s constitutional or law courts as existing
apart from the other two branches of governances, multimillionaires, billionaires,
cia, army echelons, MSM editors/owners/columnists. tnx

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By EmileZ, November 21, 2011 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

Another thing…

A jury can decide any way it likes, in spite of whatever crappy instructions it recieves from the judge. Unfortunately, most people don’t understand this.

It is like that study where one person quizzes another. They are instructed by some authoritative guy in a white coat to administer an electric shock to the quizzee if they provide the wrong answer. The shocks get progressively stronger with each wrong answer. The quizzer is not aware that the quizzee is just pretending to get shocked.

In this situation, the quizzer far more often than not continues to apply the shock even when the quizzee feigns intense agony and pleads with them to stop.

Anyhow, it seems the jury was not able to recieve all the relevant information. This is a travesty and it seems to occur frequently in cases that have a political dimension.

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By EmileZ, November 21, 2011 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

This article is worth posting in perpetuity.

Perhaps Mr. DeChristopher could be persuaded to write for truthdig in the future.

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By Mohammed Shomam, November 8, 2011 at 9:25 am Link to this comment
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The plutocracy doesn’t care about you, it only cares that it makes money, and since it owns the government, they can kill and maim with impunity, than includes your children and grandchildren. http://methoo.com

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By prosefights, October 1, 2011 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

Are Irans nuclear facilities to be bombed?

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By prosefights, October 1, 2011 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

Dee Vance Benson is into this.

And Parker this to himself, Wyoming chief judge William F Downes, Utah chief judge brother Dee Vance Benson, Colonel Terrence Feehan, Lt Colonel Tishlyn Taylor, and general Terry Gabreski all in writing in court records.

And is this no joke.

http://www.radiojavan.com/mp3s/mp3/Ahmad-Saeedi-Dooset-Daram

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By prosefights, October 1, 2011 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

Tim DeChristopher is scheduled to be sentenced in a Salt Lake City courtroom by U.S. District Judge Dee Benson on July 26.

Dee Vance Benson.

Hahaha.

http://tinyurl.com/3cywqxd

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By prosefights, October 1, 2011 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

Dee Vance Benson may be an incomptente joke.

http://tinyurl.com/3bug5bb

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By Scott Enk, September 30, 2011 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment
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It is not only outrageous, but absurd, that Tim DeChristopher would ever have to face the possibility of spending even a day behind bars or pay a penny in fines, yet he might get up to 10 years and a $750,000 fine. Meanwhile, *real* criminals on Wall Street, among banksters and otherwise in business, in Congress and state legislatures, in governors’ mansions, and at “tea party” and other right-wing pow-wows remain free. Tim DeChristopher is not a criminal. Tim DeChristopher is a hero and a martyr.

United States District Judge Dee Benson, meanwhile, is a pig and a petty tyrant unfit to serve as a judge or in any other position of power over others. *He* belongs behind bars, preferably somewhere like Guantanamo Bay. We, the sovereign American people, must and will remind this and other out-of-control judges that they serve us, not we them, that we are sovereign over even them and the courts, and that we must and will remove them from power by *any* lawful means necessary.

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By sally, August 6, 2011 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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I don’t understand how he committed “fraud” if he was ultimately able to pay for the land.

Even if he couldn’t pay, he was exercising his right of free speech/expression. 

Sending him to jail is just an attempt to scare other people and keep them from exercising their rights.  The jail costs are also quite a waste of money (at least $100,000/year?).

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By katsteevns, June 25, 2011 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

@ firefly

He has already been convicted. He only awaits sentencing on July 26.

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By firefly, June 24, 2011 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

If Tim DeChristopher is convicted on July 26, he will
become a “prisoner of conscience” which is illegal
under the Geneva Conventions.

I agree with everything he says.

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By pneumatist, June 23, 2011 at 11:18 am Link to this comment
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Re: katsteevns, June 22 at 12:52 pm
“4 TRUCKERS SLAUGHTER 4 DEER ON THE INTERSTATE

...the Progressive says: 
    ........What WILL he say?”

Well, any given progressive may say just about anything. A true progressive,
though, may be relied upon to speak along the lines of analogy or metaphor to
elevate and focus a magnitude of concern toward inspiring action forward.

Like maybe, say, “These deer are dropping like our Rights in the Patriot Act!  The
last time we lost anything as swift and broad as this was…”  ...the Lannan
foundation, maybe? 
‘They were told they would be violating their oath if they decided this on
conscience rather than the evidence that he told them to listen to. I was sitting in
that chamber and could see one person after another accept this notion. I could
see it in their faces, that they had to do what they were told even if they thought it
was morally unjust. That is a scary thing to witness in another human being.’

Is silence really golden?

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By sallysense, June 23, 2011 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

placing well-defined brand names on people…
to use as the main way for everyone to view them…
is all the rage in relating to others in this day and age…
as so few see how that method relies on so much illusion!...

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By katsteevns, June 22, 2011 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

@ JDmysticDJ

So then, a Progressive wouldn’t say that by fixing smaller issues the bigger ones will take care of themselves?

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By JDmysticDJ, June 22, 2011 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

The Progressive will say, ”This a non-issue, don’t bother me, I’ve got other slaughters to worry about.”

Rednecks say, “Yum! Roadkill!”

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By DEProf06, June 22, 2011 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

@cyr “I would expect the same unconscionable decision from a jury in the most liberal, liberal of states.

People who vote for Democrats are, in their effect, arguably more regressive than conservatives are, and fear is what primarily motivates liberals.”

I umderstand that you believe those who vote for Sanders and Feingold and Kucinich are more culpable than those who vote for the likes of Bachmann, Inhofe, and Tancredo.  I don’t happen to believe that, but regardless, it doesn’t refute the post of mine that you referenced.  Had Citizen DeChristopher committed his act of conscience in Vermont, California, New Mexico, and many large sections of other states, I firmly believe that a few of the dozen jury members chosen from among his peers would have done the right thing.  Just as there are still countries where one can live in relative peace, there are still areas in this country that have not given in to the Corporate Media Cabal.

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By katsteevns, June 22, 2011 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

4 TRUCKERS SLAUGHTER 4 DEER ON THE INTERSTATE

The RADICAL says:
    “This is a disgrace! The speed limit needs to be brought down to 45 MPH nationwide. And it needs to be done TODAY!!!”

The LIBERAL says:
    ” What a cryin’ shame! One of these days, we really need to do something about this!”

The CONSERVATIVE says:
    ” If you want to see a deer, got to the zoo.
Our highways and byways are no place for four legged animals. KOMMERCE IS KING!!!!”

The Progressive says: 
      ........What WILL he say?

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By gerard, June 22, 2011 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

TaoWalker:  Well, THANKS FOR THAT!

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By Allibear, June 22, 2011 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

This story surfaces at the same time as the murdering Bart cop is released after serving what, a year?

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By gerard, June 22, 2011 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

TapWalker:  Well, THANKS FOR THAT!

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By TAO Walker, June 22, 2011 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

For several years, and ‘til just a couple years ago, one of this Indian’s GreatGrandDaughters was, at its Boston headquarters, administrative assistant to the Person overseeing some of the “personnel” and other ‘structural’ aspects of the organization mentioned below by “litlpeep.”  It was surely no secret there that the Unitarian “church” and its members have already long been looked-at, by the-“powers”-that-wannabe, through the grotesquely distorting ‘lens’ of those unfortunates’ own CONgenital and institutionalized paranoia.

One thing that particularly impressed Yours Truly, though, about the Good People there, was their good-humored and unafraid and forgiving tolerance for the fear-ridden “ones” so afflicted, and their understanding disregard for the really rather negligible effects, all things considered, of so much misspent precious attention, that are actually ‘felt’ among administrators and membership alike.  These salutary character traits are also shared, it is evident, by Tim DeChristopher.

The “SELF,” through its man-made/-operated instrumentalities (such as the co-opted and corrupted “court” system), messes-around with any and ALL of us Human Beings, as Persons and as Peoples, at its own risk.

HokaHey!

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By JDmysticDJ, June 22, 2011 at 8:45 am Link to this comment

Obama being our supreme leader does, of course, oversee and dictate the outcome of every legal action in the U.S. If Obama’s intervention in the DeChristopher case should be exposed, then it will be a front page story for weeks. People will be calling for his impeachment. Every cloud has a silver lining, but all will be for naught.

Obama is a dictator on a par with the worst dictators of history, his opposition grovels before him and is nearly none existent, in fact, he has no opposition, it’s all a ruse, and knowledgeable people know that Obama is only a front man for the clandestine Jewish Wall Street Cabal that controls and manipulates our government and all the governments of the world.

(If, which is likely, there are moronic jerk-offs who haven’t noticed that the above comment is ridiculous sarcasm, well, let me clue you in, it is.)

Allow me to delve into the realm of sincerity for a moment. In my opinion, the best that can be said of Obama and the Democrats is that they are the lesser of evils. The one thing that obsesses all politicians and overrides their inclinations is the quest for votes. Most politicians, the successful ones, will compromise and/or be disingenuous for the sake of political expediency, in order to keep their elected offices, and to advance their agendas.

Political activism, in all of its forms, serves several purposes, moral and practical, including educating the electorate, giving support for the best inclinations of the best politicians, and to convince politicians that making the best decisions will not destroy their careers, and/or political influence.

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By David J. Cyr, June 22, 2011 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, DEProf06:

“But, is it really surprising that in one of the most right-wing states…”
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There’s a great deal of confusion spread around regularly, in the use of the term “right-wing” since most people hearing it incorrectly presume it only applies to half of the right-wing.

I would expect the same unconscionable decision from a jury in the most liberal, liberal of states.

People who vote for Democrats are, in their effect, arguably more regressive than conservatives are, and fear is what primarily motivates liberals.

Liberals are sheep whose (D) votes lead others to slaughter… in their name.

It is the liberal half of the “right-wing” who ensure that evil always wins.

Note how mountaintop removal became a “sustainable economic development” for the Obama EPA/USACE partnership, now that Democrats are managing that atrocity.

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By DEProf06, June 22, 2011 at 3:48 am Link to this comment

@Cyr.  You are of course correct that one of the jurors could/should have taken a stand against the judge’s admonition.  This is our own variation on the Nuremburg consensus.  But, is it really surprising that in one of the most right-wing states in the most right-wing country in the Western Hemisphere, these 12 Authoritarians (in Altmeyer’s term) voted to support the corporate state in its attack on an honest citizen?

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By litlpeep, June 21, 2011 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

Hmmm.  Sounds like the Unitarian Church is the best educational institution in the US.  It teaches love of the universe, love of God, love of country, love of mother earth and environs, love of family, neighbors, and basic inheritances like the right to rule as a juror in accordance with one’s conscience.

Not long until they will be on the terrorist lists.

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By Conden, June 21, 2011 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

What the obama administration is doing to Tim Dechristopher is absolutely sickening.  They trashed Copenhagen, and are not trying to criminalize local dissent against their anti-environmental policies.

Obama is not a centrist; he is far-right, and intentionally ignores the consensus movements in this country in favor of ending the wars and bringing about single payer healthcare because he is fundamentally right wing scum.

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By JDmysticDJ, June 21, 2011 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

A person can chain himself to a Whitehouse fence and simply pay a $50.00 fine. A person may get roughed and cuffed, and acquire a few bumps and bruises, but it is a price well worth paying and those bumps and bruises serve as a badge of honor. Prosecutors in the DeChristopher case are clearly trying to send a message asking for a 4 ½ year sentence, but I’ll venture to say that DeChristopher will look back on any time that he spends in jail with great pride.

No one is asking that anyone be crucified, tortured, or serve endless months in solitary confinement. Only that they take a principled non-violent stand against evil, wrong, vice, and injustice.

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By poodlefree (Greg Leichner), June 21, 2011 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges reports that Tim DeChristopher is facing jail time and a hefty fine for “fraudulently bidding on parcels of land…” The land in question was put up for grabs to the oil, gas and mining industries during the Bush administration. Some of these parcels border protected wilderness and state and national parks. DeChristopher won bids totalling 1.8 million dollars.

The more I read, the more I distill a political emotion that I express in aphorisms. “All government operates by myth, fraud, and ultimately force.” “All governments are criminal networks, each with its own style.”

Chris Hedges states, “[DeCristopher’s] prosecution is evidence that our moral order has been turned upside down.” I would add that DeChristopher’s actions prove that the ongoing revolution is alive and well. He embodies the guts and imagination that it will take to outplay the “bankers and the swindlers” and their D.C. lackeys and henchmen.

The Wall Street pigs “did not go to jail.” Which Wall Street pigs? Name names. What are the charges? Transparency is the new God. The truth is our role model.

I would like to see our next revolutionary step test-drive a style of mass resistance that goes beyond taking to the streets. Wikileaks, Bradley Manning. Tim DeChristopher… their efforts are full of intrigue; their efforts are moral, clever and utterly right-on.

What is the strategy that will stop the crimes of the bankers and the swindlers?

Hedges helps us to see the answer to that question when writes an ode to political action that “derails the corpororate and governmental destruction of the ecosystem.”

I request that Chris Hedges write the next State of the Union address, right now, this week.

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By gregorylkruse, June 21, 2011 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

In the book entitled “Matthew”, there is a story about a man by the name of Joshua, or Jesus, who was driven into the desert by the “Spirit” after he had a stunning vision. There he prepared for a life of civil disobedience. His actions and words eventually resulted in his execution.  Julian Assange, Ray McGovern, Mikey Weinstein, Bradley Manning, Tim DeChristopher, Muntodhar al-Zeidi, and others, are comparable to the character in the story.  They all have seen the truth, they all have told the truth publicly , and they all have suffered for it.  A martyr is a public witness (look it up) to truth and justice.  It isn’t necessary to die to be a martyr, but all martyrs suffer. I suffer with them, but not as they do.

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By Michael Callahan RN, June 21, 2011 at 11:27 am Link to this comment
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Borg test. Not via my “log In” Truthdig account

Seeing if there is a trigger for attempting to bury discussion of organizing a response, a resistance to the corporate duopoly

this will have to be authorized by truthDig like any other non registered person.

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By stephen p. craig (AKA Joe Burger), June 21, 2011 at 11:18 am Link to this comment
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As an attendee and witness to the trial of honorable Tim DeChristopher, I was left with a few lasting impressions of the trial: (1) Tim conducted himself throughout the proceedings as a gentleman, (2) Tim is a man of extraordinary conviction, (3) Tim has the loyal support of the members of his church, political alliances, and friends and family, nad (4) Tim is one of the finest examples of patriotism and moral conscience left to be fielded.

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By TAO Walker, June 21, 2011 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

It’s no secret that what people ‘pay’ their precious attention to just gets bigger. 
Nor will it be news to most here that, according to the ‘rules’ of the
‘dominance’-paradigm, “There is no such thing as bad publicity.”  Just so long
as the-“powers”-that-wannabe can capture their subjects’ attention, and keep
it focused on the most superficial features of their DEAD END “global” ‘project,’ 
they don’t give a damn whether ‘reactions’ are slavishly in-favor or rabidly
otherwise….or tepidly in-between.

So if people are really interested in seeing more “injustice,” all they need do is
obsess-over “injustice”.....or “corruption” or “war” or any and all of the
Pandora’s Box-ful of ills unleashed upon this Living World with the arrival here
(from a single star-system in the constellation Sirius, according to the Dogon
People) of the wannabe ALL-CONsuming “SELF.”  Yes, it’s a paradox….and
perhaps a particularly ‘cruel’ one at-that.  So what are our Mother’s poor tame
Two-legged Children to do?

Well….what would they really like to see more of here?  Would whole and
healthy Human Persons and Peoples, of ALL Kinds, in whole and healthy Living
Communities in a whole and healthy Living Arrangement ‘do-it’ for them?  If so,
would it help to get ‘em ‘there’ if they were to leave-off squandering so much
precious attention on what is, after-all, only ideological/institutional/electro-
mechanical ‘furniture,’ and give it Whole-Heartedly instead to being in-sync
with the Natural rhythms and flows, the balance and harmony of Life
Herownself’s never-ending Song ‘n’ Dance?

So what’ll it be, Sisters and Brothers?  There’s still a lethal dose available of the
death-and-destruction ‘drugs’ you’re so A.D.D.icted-to.

The Living Medicine of Organic Functional Integrity might do you a lot more
Good.

HokaHey!

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By David J. Cyr, June 21, 2011 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

It didn’t really require the judge’s firm instructions for the jury members to not use conscience as their guide, in “deciding” Tim DeChristopher’s case . If they had any conscience or sense of justice among them they would have used it, regardless of the judge’s unjust dictates.

The voters of America regularly provide proofs positive that 99% of them either don’t possess any conscience, or they are mindlessly unconscious of the consequences of their unconscionable voting habits.

A supermajority within the American electorate that reliably robotically votes for the corporate party’s Republican and Democrat corporate-state pre-selected electables has been regularly providing even year scheduled near unanimous popular vote human mandates favoring catastrophic collapse.

1% of the voters have been citizens seeking environmental justice, while 99% have been reliably compliant consumers of the corporate party’s lies… flocking to the polls in the November of every even year to reaffirm their loyalty to the corporate-state (now just a wholly owned subsidiary of the global Market-State).

It is the past persistent cowardice and depravity of America’s corporate party voters that now makes heroic actions necessary, in dealing with the terrible consequences of the unconscionable popular mandates provided by those too many millions of mindless (R) & (D) lie consumers, who free-will chose to not be good citizens upon this planet.

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By JDmysticDJ, June 21, 2011 at 6:06 am Link to this comment

What constitutes a hero? I’ll proffer that a hero takes an altruistic action of some kind; a personal sacrifice for the greater good. Those who wear the uniform are constantly referred to as heroes, by politicians, at sporting events, and at public gatherings of all kinds. Those who have worn the uniform from all political perspectives take on the mantle of heroes, and seem to believe that their words should be given greater weight than those who have not worn the uniform, but are they heroes by virtue of having worn the uniform? There are uniforms of all sorts, worn by peoples of many nations. Some believe that the brave soldiers of Vietnam were heroes. There were three heroes at the village of My Lai who turned their weapons against their fellow soldiers in order to stop a horrific massacre of women, children, and old men. Some believe that Lieutenant William Calley was the hero at My Lai, his actions were lauded in song and many thought that those who were responsible, and approved, of William Calley’s conviction for war crimes were treasonous. Were the Samurai Kamikazes of the Second World War heroes? Many believe that suicide bombers are heroes, or that those who create “collateral damage” are heroes. Some believe that those who advocate peace are subversive, and that those who take altruistic action to end war are traitors and cowards. Were those Germans who conspired to assassinate Hitler heroes? They were condemned for being traitors and hung from meat hooks. I’ll proffer that altruistic action to end war and injustice is heroic. Are those gunned down, beaten, imprisoned, and tortured in order to advance justice heroes? What is an anti-hero?  Clearly the issue of what constitutes a hero is subjective, but should it be?

At the Nuremburg trials defendants claimed their innocence by claiming they were only following the rule of law. The Nuremburg trials effectively ruled that there is a higher law that supersedes other laws.

“Nuremberg represented a giant leap forward in the legal thinking of mankind. The defense of the Nazi officers, that they were “only acting under orders,” was rejected; people must obey a ‘higher law’ if the law of the land is completely immoral. Murder can never be justified, even when the government approves of its practice.”

I am not an expert on jurisprudence, and my argument is not a legal one, it is a moral one. The laws of jurisprudence are recorded in volumes, on incalculable reams of paper, and presented to defendants and attorneys in documents innumerable, but higher laws are written on the souls of women and men. When the highest court in the land rules that law takes precedence over guilt or innocence, a rational person must wonder about the value of a legalist interpretation of law. In spite of arguments to the contrary, the law is adjudicated by political perspective. Adjudicators are selected by elected politicians, or by political elections. The highest legal document in the land is subject to interpretation and is frequently the object of political partisan debate and marked by dissenting opinions by the supreme judges in the land. Those who claim legal authority to enforce their prejudices and political perspectives are adamantly opposed to others claiming legal authority based on their prejudices and political perspectives. An activist judge is a judge who rules against our political perspectives. Arguments regarding interpretation of law are perennial, and never brought to resolution unless they lose their political significance. Perceptions of right and wrong determine political issues. An individual’s ethical perceptions determine political perspective, and an individual’s philosophy determines ethical beliefs.

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By JDmysticDJ, June 21, 2011 at 6:03 am Link to this comment

#2

“Ethics - also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy —address issues and concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, justice, etc.”

“The rules are written by those who profit from the status quo,” says the hero of this article by Hedges, or to put it another way, “laws are made by the rich [and powerful], to protect the rich [and powerful].” This hero also says, “If we want to change that status quo we have to step outside of those rules. We have to put pressure on those within the political system to choose one side or another.”

“Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power. Civil disobedience is commonly, though not always, defined as being nonviolent resistance.”

I’ll argue that non-violent civil disobedience can also be pro-active, an intentional violation of the rule of law and government policy in order to combat injustice, rather than a mere resistance to the rule of law. Hedges writes of this hero, “He knew he had to do something. But he did not know what. So he did what all of us should begin to do. He showed up.”

A civil disobedience will be evaluated by an individuals perception of “good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, justice, etc.” Those who espouse the rule of law as the ultimate authority will always see civil disobedience as evil, wrong, vice, or unjust. Those in favor of upholding current law and government policy will interpret a civil disobedience as evil, wrong, vice, and unjust, based on their belief that current laws and policies are good, right, virtuous, and just.

Those who believe in current law and government policies are not confronted by the issue of cowardice. Those who believe that current law is evil, wrong, devoid of virtue, and unjust, and eschew civil disobedience must confront the issue of cowardice, or their lack of commitment to, or the sincerity of their belief in, good, right, virtue, and justice.

I know from personal experience that at some point an individual can be compelled to become civilly disobedient, and that one does so without expectations, but with the hope that the act of civil disobedience will serve to educate or even motivate others to take action.

The ultimate altruism is the sacrifice of ones life for good, right, virtue, and justice. Civil disobedience is a lesser altruism, but many eschew and disparage civil disobedience as being ineffectual, impractical, too dangerous, or too inconvenient. A lesser act of altruism would be to become politically active with real and tangible actions. Seemingly, those who see current law and governance as being evil, wrong, lacking in virtue, and unjust, must believe that condemning evil, wrong, vice, and injustice from a safe distance, and free from consequence, is sufficient.

Cowardice, Definition

1.
Lack of courage: an absence of courage, or behavior that is cowardly.

Synonyms: “weakness, fearfulness, spinelessness, fear, timidity, faint-heartedness, pusillanimity, cravenness.”

Is cowardice too strong a word to describe the opponents and eschewers of civil disobedience as a means of combating injustice and existentially dangerous government policies? If one truly believes that current laws and government actions are evil, wrong, devoid of virtue, unjust, and existentially dangerous, but are opposed to taking any action other than vehement but safely removed criticism, couldn’t they be described as: cowardly, worthless, existential nothings, chronic ineffectual complainers who are opposed to even an advocacy of constructive action?  Or even, metaphorically, as intellectual masturbators?

A General went out to inspect the troops, and found them engaged in one big circle jerk.

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By tedmurphy41, June 21, 2011 at 2:37 am Link to this comment

It really says it all; who owns America? The corporations and financial institutions or the American People?
You can also ask yourselves another question: who owns your elected representatives, the same people who allowed this situation to come about?
When you address just these two questions, and are able to get real answers, then you’re on the way to bringing real democracy back into American politics.

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By kulu, June 21, 2011 at 1:36 am Link to this comment

DonnaFritz,

Surfnow & DEProf06 did the right thing even if they might have chosen to join the jury and influence it the way you suggest.

Both alternatives are worthy choices and who is to say which, if any is the better one?

If more people made these choices the ridiculous laws (on drugs and other things) would become dysfunctional - a very good thing.

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By Donna Fritz, June 20, 2011 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

“You couldn’t be more wrong.When you make such a statement during jury selection you are not only getting the truth out there but you are potentially contaminating an entire jury pool-which will piss the prosecutors and conservative judges off no end.” - surfnow

I don’t see how that course of action would have been more effective than getting picked for the jury where you could have potentially made a direct positive impact on the life of the defendant. In addition, you would have had the opportunity to speak directly to fellow jurors and share your ideas.

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By Jay, June 20, 2011 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment
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The DEFENSE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO TELL THE JURY ECO GROUPS WOULD PAY THE BIDS!!!!!!! rigged trial

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By sallysense, June 20, 2011 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

what happened to good old fair-and-square?...
who drove him outta town?...
was his home too close to that neighborhood?...
where those big shots stake their ground!...

what did they hold against him?...
when they built that slippery wall?...
did he poke his nose into their affairs?...
or interfere with business calls?!...

was fair-and-square a nuisance?...
who disturbed their bonus treasure?...
had he trespassed over properties?...
or resorted to bogus measures?!...

had he crashed too many parties?...
like an uninvited guest?...
or spoke the truth so harshly?...
it soon dumbed down greediness?!...

was fair-and-square such a stranger there?...
he couldn’t possibly fit in?...
did he make life feel too awkward?...
for them to spend some time with him?!...

did he lessen market value?...
on excessive selfish whims?...
were they in fear of losing out?...
or afraid of decent things?!...

what happened to good old fair-and-square?...
who drove him outta town?...
was his home too close to that neighborhood?...
where those big shots stake their ground!...

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By DEProf06, June 20, 2011 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

@Donna, 3rdman.  I think my way is better.  I announced to 60 or so people in my right-wing small town that, “Not everyone who lives here is a Limbecile”.  Maybe some other sane people will get the courage to break from the herd.

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By prosefights, June 20, 2011 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

We are suspicious of the libereal arts ‘educated’.

3 Fact 3 Liberal arts ‘educated’

From: “Jason Marks, PRC” .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), “David King, PRC” .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), “Jerome D Block, PRC” .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)>, .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), “Sandy Jones, PRC” .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:12:09 AM
Subject: Re: Large-scale solar generation of electricity fraud in New mexico?
Mr Payne:

I don’t understand your concerns. There are two basic solar electric technologies: photovoltaic panels (PV) and thermal concentrating solar power (CSP). The development and deployment in NM is focused on PV. Hundreds of homeowners with installed PV systems can tell you that their systems produce electricity in line with specifications, as proved by meters.

You (either an individual or a utility) buy a solar system for a certain price, you install it, and it generates electricity for 20 or 30 years or so, with minimal operating and maintenance costs. There are no fuel requirements (and thus no “heat rate”). When you spread the upfront costs over the system’s lifetime electric production and adjust for tax credits and REC incentives, you arrive at the cost per kwh. You get to decide if you think that cost per kwh is reasonable before you make the investment. There is no fraud.

Jason Marks

may be incorrect and possiblly involved in large-scale solar genernation of electricty fraud?

Facts 1, 2 and 3 may support conclusion that evidence be weighed by honest technically-competent and other thinking people whose written decision are subject to international review and comment to reach proper conclusion on PNM rate increases? ...

http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrate/pnmrate.htm#motion

But are pleased to see that Truth Dig is still allowing posts.

We are liberal arts educated. And using our knowledge to try to achieve our goals.  Albert Gore willing, of course.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, June 20, 2011 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

Civil Disobedience in the electoral arena?

As a springboard to gathering force for a real political movement?

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By Nostromo, June 20, 2011 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment

For 2012 a more meaningful slogan for Barack Obama: VOTE FOR ME AND YOUR TEETH WILL SPARKLE!  I believe some suitable imagery can be located to put with this slogan and perhaps some music.  Suggestions?  I found the slogan ‘Change you can believe in’ rather unintelligible.  What would change you can not believe in be?  Change is change.  It was suggestive of something but like so much advertisement rather annoyingly hard to forget.  I think that was because it contained nonsense. Was it supposed to associate to a God you can believe in?

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By Wade House, June 20, 2011 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment
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“Courage is Contagious” We like Tim Dechristopher so much at True Democracy that we have are giving him a ‘Field Promotion’to the “Order of the Guardians of True Democracy”, and we’ve already added his website group “Peaceful Uprising” to our Representative Council 1 policies.
Wade D. House
Chair. TDP.net

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By Amon Drool, June 20, 2011 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

TAO Walker: “As otherwise decent and well-intentioned
(and even brave) as he appears here to be, Tim
DeChristopher still suffers from an all-too-typical
‘case’of the sickeningly “self”-serving I/ME/MY/MINE
syndrome. It is ‘written’ all-over the quotes from
him that Chris Hedges includes in this article.”

Tim DeChristopher: “Civil disobedience puts us in a
vulnerable position. It puts us in a position where
we are refusing to be obedient to injustice. Civil
disobedience puts us in a position where we are
making a risk and possibly making a sacrifice to
stand up against that injustice. It also puts us in a
position where with that vulnerability we see how
much we need other people.  This is something I have
experienced over the past few years as people have
come out of nowhere to support me, to make actions
more powerful and to help me personally get through
this experience and grow from it. Appreciating these
connections is one of the most important parts of
resiliency. A lot of the unwillingness to take bold
action is coming from a disempowerment that comes
from a lack of connection. When we view ourselves as
isolated individuals it does not make sense to stand
up to a big powerful institution like a big
corporation or big government. It is not until we
gain the understanding that we are part of something
much bigger that we feel empowered to take these
necessary actions. This is a self-reinforcing cycle.
The more we stick our neck out the more connected we
become and the more empowered we become to do it
again.”


TAO Walker: “Putting their ‘individual’ Human
birthday-suits at-risk of such ‘legal’ sanctions as
CONfinement, and worse, is in-a-certain-way the
epitome of ‘self’-ishness…”

yeah…right. damn those selfish bastards like tim
dechristopher and rosa parks

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By Wade House, June 20, 2011 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment
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Once again Chris Hedges is right on the ball. This time with his observations of our Judge and Jury System. The judge and lawyers decide who is guilty and who is not, regardless of the truth. One person recently said, “The scales of Justice work by who can pile on the most money and weigh it in their favor.” 100% correct. And the Judge can tell juries how to vote, and if they vote against what the Judge says,, the Judge just “Declares a Mis-trial’, and they try to find a jury who will listen to them. And of course this aslo violates the US Const. against trying someone twice for the same crime. So what are we going to do about it? “Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words.” At TDP we’ve been aware of the corruption of our Court System for some time. That’s why at the truedemocracyparty.net our Highest Priority is “That every single American Citizen of proper voting age, has the Constitutional Right to Vote on any and all, Issue’s, Laws or Bills; Considered, Passed, or Issued by any or all Executive, Legislative or Judicial branches of the Federal and or Stae Government(s).” How can you trust courts like the one above or even the high court, when they say Corporations are People and they can spend Unlimited amounts of money to influence laws and lawmakers. Chris Hedges is on our ‘Proposed’ Leadership Council, so if you don’t like Chris, you won’t like the True Democracy Party. We believe and honor truth here. Truth isn’t our middle name, It’s Our First Name.
Wade D. House
Chairman

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By David J. Cyr, June 20, 2011 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

berniem asked:

“Where do I sign up to volunteer to work for Obama’s re-election?”
_______________

Answer:

Goldman Sachs

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By berniem, June 20, 2011 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

Where do I sign up to volunteer to work for Obama’s re-election? The next election will prove beyond doubt that this system of ours is beyond broken! It has been infected by all of the monsters we have always been told to fear and struggle against and is now of that corrupted and putrifying body ready to turn against us! Would that the American people have the courage and wits to rise against this impending tyranny as we see happening worldwide! Unfortunately, too many of our fellow citizens suffer from the ignorance, intolerance, bigotry, and greed which has been the essence of our national dialogue for so long that their miserable complacency keeps them inert and quiessant!

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By Nostromo, June 20, 2011 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

JURY NULLIFICATION. Until the beginning of the 20th century judges were required to tell the jury they had the right to nullify a law.  Akhil Amar (Yale law professor) has written a number of fine books on the Constitution.  The original intent was for the jury to act as an additional check on bad laws. 
As to who is corrupt—I would say most Americans are ill informed rather than corrupt.  America does not tend to produce good leaders.  And in recent decades there has been a diminution on the part of government to build up and serve the country.  And a decline in real intelligence.  Going to a prestige university does not equal getting a real education.

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By PatrickHenry, June 20, 2011 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment

Whats with the bold typestyle?

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By prosefights, June 20, 2011 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

Motion for Leave to Intervene
in
Case No. 11-00123-UT

William H Payne, author of Alternate Report, Electric Integrated Resource Plan for the Period 2008-2027 and David B. McCoy, Executive Director, Citizen Action New Mexico in compliance with NMAC 1.2.2.23A

1.2.2.23 INTERVENORS AND COMMENTERS: A. Intervention: Any person other than staff and the original parties to a proceeding who desires to become a party to the proceeding may move in writing for leave to intervene in the proceeding.
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1) The motion for leave to intervene shall indicate the nature of the movant’s interest in the proceeding.

(2) The motion shall also comply with the provisions of this rule governing pleadings except that the motion shall indicate the facts relied upon as grounds for intervention.

(3) Motions for leave to intervene shall be served on all existing parties and other proposed intervenors of record.

state:

1 Movants’ interest is bring to attention to public and PNM rate payers possible large-scale solar generation of electricity fraud by New Mexico renewable energy mandates which may be subsidized by PNM rate increases.

2 Fact 1 relies upon is misleading statement in paragraph 5 of NOTICE OF PROCEEDING AND HEARING
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http://www.prosefights.org/pnmrate/pnmrate.htm#motion

is in process of preparation for June 24, 2011 filing.

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By WarrenMetzler, June 20, 2011 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

My view is that Chris Hedges is once again incorrectly seeing the problem as
corporations and corrupt politicians ripping off the American people. When I
propose the problem is the corruption of the majority of the American people
leads to corrupt politicians being elected; and corporations, which because they
are only formed out of greed and irresponsibility, being the predominate form
of business in this country and unavoidably being staffed by corrupt people
(only a corrupt person can work for an organization that is founded on greed
and corruption). Until the majority of Americans give up their individual
corruptions, we will have a government that behaves in a predominately
unworkable manner, and major businesses that repeated do what is
inappropriate and deleterious to the public.

To repeatedly attempt to stop a particular inappropriate government /
corporate action, and do nothing about the underlying foundation problem is a
total waste of time. We need to find ways to stimulate the American people to
give up their corrupt ways, and take away the possibility that corporations will
have impact on the government and governments are staffed by corrupt people.

Because of the many comments on juries, I have the following comment. It is
truly insane to assume that a group of people, none of whom have the
opportunity to question the accused, or any one of the witnesses, or the
defense attorney or the prosecuting attorney, can have a clue as to who is
innocent or guilty. We need to get rid of the scam of the viability of jury trials,
and find a way to accurately determine innocence and guilt of people the
government justice system claims committed a crime, to really solve our
extremely sick justice system. And significantly reform the justice system, which
in its current state makes it almost impossible for authentic justice to ever
occur. Once you have judges who believe voting your conscience can be
different then using authentic evidence to discover authentic innocence or guilt
of an accused person, we are fully and totally in permanent Alice in Wonderland
country.

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By TAO Walker, June 20, 2011 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

Hasn’t the ‘trial’ of Tim DeChristopher already been CONducted, and reached its
foreordained CONclusion….“guilty,” as-charged?  Seemed to this Old Indian that
much of what Chris Hedges was recounting here was the high-handed manner
in which so much evidence unfavorable to the government ‘case’ was summarily
excluded by a ‘judge’ well-aware of the required out-come.  Only the mockery
of “sentencing” remains.

“Michael Cavlan RN” is only the latest in a string of establishmentrian-types
who seems to feel particularly threatened by suggestions that the always-
illusory mirage of allamericandemocracy has lately shed even the last flimsy
pretenses of having anything at-all to do with how the apparatchiks in
“management” operate the death-dealing machinery of their national-security-
state on the orders of “ownership.”  As usual, too, Nurse Cavlan his"self” has to
‘pick-the-fight,’ since this Old Savage had said nothing at all either disparaging
or supportive to or about him, or anything he’s offered here.

Anyhow, one gets a rather clear impression of a co-opted “individual” directed,
or compelled, to distract attention from his own corruption and his sponsors’
perfidy by pointing fingers at a Person whose “message” is so at-odds with the
establishmentarian party-line….whose apologists (whether paid or just-can’t-
help-their"self”) invariably exhibit reflexively the very same “mean” and
“personal” CONduct of which they’re so quick to accuse their designated
“target-of-opportunism.”

Bet, though, when the “fighting” he’s trying to foment actually gets going in-
earnest, and turns bloody, Nurse Cavlan will be only too glad to hold
somebody’s coat.

HokaHey!

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By surfnow, June 20, 2011 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

Donna:
You couldn’t be more wrong.When you make such a statement during jury selection you are not only getting the truth out there but you are potentially contaminating an entire jury pool-which will piss the prosecutors and conservative judges off no end.

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By glider, June 20, 2011 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

Surfnow,
“I was selected to be on a jury that was a drug case. I told the prosecutor and the judge that there was no way that I would find the guy on trial guilty since I believed the War on drugs was a travesty- and that all drugs needed to be decriminalized. I said that I couldn’t care less what the evidence was. The judge looked at me like I was out of my mind- I was disqualified”

I have the same opinion and don’t like that as a juror you are told how to make a decision, and not to consider what is moral as mentioned in this article.  The problem is your response just assures the selection of a jury that is contrary to your moral belief system.  The best solution, distasteful though it might be, is to just lie and tell them what they want to hear, and then act to do what you believe is morally correct.  The other bit you can do in some cases is to raise your standard for “reasonable doubt” which seems to be the one place a juror is given some power.

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By Textynn, June 20, 2011 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment
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If jurors are not allowed to use their conscious then
there is no reason for them to be there. The law states
that a person is allowed to be judged by a jury of peers
which by definition means they will have peer
understanding of the situation.  That was a check to cold
and hard laws that don’t fit every circumstance and
problem.

The elite are destroying lives and families wholesale and
nothing is done. i loved America once but she is dead now.

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By katsteevns, June 20, 2011 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

@ Michael Cavlan RN

I think TAO Walker’s points are valid. No, I don’t think he is working for anyone.

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By katsteevns, June 20, 2011 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

Right, gerard,

    It’s people like Bradley Manning and Syed Fahad Hashmi who come closer to the description of “not standing a chance”. Unlike DeChristopher, these two can not speak with reporters. I think maybe DeChristopher threw them a curve they weren’t ready for.
      The titles of Hedges articles fluctuate between hope and disillusion. Apparently, he doesn’t want to or can not take a leadership role. He seems also to fluctuate between supporting and speaking out against the institution of religion. On second thought, who doesn’t?!?

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By Michael Cavlan RN, June 20, 2011 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

So

My money is on our “Native American” friend is some white guy who works for the corporate corrupted, pro-war Democratic party.

So again

New Progressive Alliance
newprogs.org

Doing more than talking or blowing pseudo peace pipe smoke up you know what.

It has ALWAYS been my experience that when corporate asshats or corporate apologists get exposed for what they are, that they get real mean and real personal, real quick.

so Tao Walker. prove me wrong.

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By gerard, June 20, 2011 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

...“DeChristopher .. didn’t stand a chance” ???
Maybe it’s just a bad headline, but ...
Sorry, I just don’t understand Chris Hedges.  He seems to advocate conscientious, cooperative, nonviolent action, which requires faith in its efficacy plus knowledge of specifics of procedure.

Yet invariably his articles come to a dead end and serve to increase pessimism and immobilization.

What DeChristopher did is STAND HIS GROUND. By doing so he stands a chance of becoming a heroic model for
people of conscience to find ways to work to save the earth from the scourge of human violence. Much will be disclosed at his trial, and if he has adequate support (That’s where good attorneys and supporters come in.) much will come to light and there is a possibility that thousands of people will understand better what is going on by his example.)

That is failure???  I just don’t believe it.

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By TAO Walker, June 20, 2011 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

Anybody here is free to heed, instead, “the message” that “Michael Cavlan RN”
regularly repeats (“spam-bot”-like?) in his off-and-on virtual ‘appearances’ at this
site.  It seems to boil-down to something like:  Keep pouring your precious
Person-al resources down the black-hole of ‘the political process’.  Sooner-or-
later, if enough people can be kept at-it, the damned thing just has to cough-up
some semblance of the fools’ paradise it keeps promising.

Now THAT looks mighty like shilling for the-“powers”-that-wannabe….from here
in Indian Country….which Nurse Cavlan has yet even to visit, let-alone Live in.

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, June 20, 2011 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

How does “katsteevns” know “the authorities” won’t “just….go away,” if we ALL
TOGETHER NOW stop squandering our precious attention on their “self”-
satisfying machinations, and give it Whole-Heartedly instead to The Whole
Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth and All Our relations?  How does s/he
know this simple (though not at-all easy) act of sorely-needed “self”-discipline
isn’t exactly the best (probably ONLY) Way to keep our Families and Living
Communities as ‘safe’ as may be, from assaults by those “self”-same “self”-
styled “authorities”?

Here in Indian Country, and in its Native Peoples’ equivalents all around The
World, we’ve been altogether depriving the-“powers”-that-wannabe of our
precious attention….for many thousands of Generations.  WE are always and
everywhere “right-under-their-snouty-noses,” but effectively invisible to
them….and, unfortunately, unseen as-well by most of our tame Sisters and
Brothers who’ve been CONned and frightened into letting their “SELF”-
CONtrolled and “self”-obsessed tormentors define not just Human Nature but
ALL Nature (as engendered and embodied in the Never-ending Song ‘n’ Dance
of Life Herownself) for them….NOT a good plan.

All this Old Savage is doing, here in cyberspace, is offering some descriptions of
a Way of Being, and a prescription for real-izing it, that is a genuinely viable
alternative to the dead-certain and disease-ridden DEAD END of the idiotic
‘dominance’ paradigm.

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 20, 2011 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

By gerard

Nice list gerard, though it says nothing about protecting your family.

I like this list much better:

Oath Keepers Declaration Of Orders We Will Not Obey

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as unlawful enemy combatants or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a state of emergency on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to keep the peace or to maintain control.”

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

http://ohiooathkeepers.org/html/10_orders.html

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By thethirdman, June 20, 2011 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

Donna,

I agree.  Next time, you guys need to play the part and render your decisions at
the end, where they will actually help.

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By thethirdman, June 20, 2011 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Gerard,
You’re exactly the kind of opponent I would like to face.

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By Donna Fritz, June 20, 2011 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

To surfnow, DEProf06: In showing the judge your hand, you sabotaged a rare opportunity to make a real, positive contribution to the life of the defendant who you believe was being tried for violation of an unjust law. We need to stop being so pitifully deferential in the face of injustice.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, June 20, 2011 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

Test

cyber borg test

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By Michael Cavlan RN, June 20, 2011 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

So

Who wants to take bets?
Which corporation does Tao Walker work for?

My fiancee is almost full blooded Ojibwe/Owdawa, so I happen to know quite a few real natives. Including on the Red Lake Rez, Lac Courteirres Rez <sp>, White Earth, Dakota, Ho Chunk, Urban rez in Minneapolis etc etc.

This cat does not sound like any Native I know. Some racist white image of the brave, stoic phylicosophical, spiritual “red man” yes.

But not a real “skin.”

So does he work for Monsanto, Koch Brothers, the corporate Democrats, corporate Republicans?

Spam bots can be real live people who attempt to clog up places like this with the message

Resistance is Futile

can ya dig it?

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By gerard, June 20, 2011 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

PLEDGE OF NONVIOLENCE
(from Veterans for Peace)
1. We will use our anger at injustice as a positive, nonviolent force for change.
2. We will not carry weapons of any kind.
3. We will not vandalize or destroy property.
4. We will not use or carry alcohol or illegal drugs.
5. We will not run or make threatening motions.
6. We will not insult, swear or attack others.
7. We will protect those who oppose or disagree with us from insult or attack.
8. We will not assault, verbally or physically, those who oppose or disagree with us, even if they assault us.
9. Our attitude, as conveyed through our words, symbols and actions, will be one of openness, friendliness, and respect toward all people we encounter including police officers, military personnel, members of the community at large, and all marchers.
10. As members of a nonviolent action, we will follow the directions of the designated coordinators.
11. In the event of a serious disagreement, we will withdraw from the action.

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By katsteevns, June 20, 2011 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

@ lasmog

“What the hell”???

Well, Obama had his chance and blew it. The only difference now is that he now knows where to find you.

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By TAO Walker, June 20, 2011 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

All those good people, including the group “TDoff” links-to, “....trying to find a
solution,” will, if they just keep searching diligently, discover (rather, rediscover) it
in the last ‘place’ they’ll ever have to look.

It’s ‘in’ The Tao of Humanity….it is The Living Virtue of Organic Functional
Integrity…it is The Tiyoshpaye Way.

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 20, 2011 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

“Part of my belief system is an appreciation of our connectedness to the natural world, the interconnected web of life of which I am a part. I am not an isolated individual, and this understanding is what empowers me, but also in a more direct way in that I am connected to the church community who I knew would support me.” - Tim DeChristopher

TAO, if we “ignore” the “authorities”, they aren’t just going to go away. I suppose you are saying that we need to let this beast run it’s course, drawing down many people in it’s wake.
    It is becoming a matter of personal self defense. I don’t care what part of the world one lives in, if someone violates your family, you will act in self defense. Is this not also a natural law of the wild as well?

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By lasmog, June 20, 2011 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

Change.org has posted a petition asking President Obama to pardon Tim DeChristopher. 

http://www.change.org/petitions/help-save-environmental-activist-tim-dechristopher-from-going-to-jail

What the hell.

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By Bones, June 20, 2011 at 10:08 am Link to this comment
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Hey Obama could give him a Presidential pardon.  Nope, not that corporate puppet.

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By TDoff, June 20, 2011 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

Let me second the motion by Michael Calvan RN. Go to http://newprogs.org/ and check it out. There is a group trying to find a solution.

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