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Posted on Nov 22, 2010
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By Chris Hedges

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In Manuel de Lope’s novel “The Wrong Blood,” set during the first rumblings that led to the Spanish Civil War, he writes “... nobody knew this at the time and those who had premonitions wouldn’t go so far as to believe them, because fear rejects what intuition accepts.”

But the signs are now so palpable that even fear is not working. Our worst premonitions are becoming reality. Our intuition has proved correct. We are reaching the breaking point. An explosion, unless we halt the increased pressure, seems inevitable. And what is left for those of us who cannot embrace the contaminants of violence? If the system shuts us out how can we influence it through nonviolent mechanisms of popular protest? How can we restore a civil society? How can we battle back against those who will mobilize hatred to cement into place an American fascism?

I do not know if we can win this battle. I suspect we cannot. But I do know that if we stop resisting, if we stop rebelling, something fundamental will die within us. As the corporate vise tightens, as the vast corporate system begins to break down with fossil fuel decline, extreme climate change and the expansion of global poverty, even mundane and ordinary acts to assert our common humanity and justice will be condemned as subversive.

It is time to think of resistance in a new way, something that is no longer carried out to reform a system but as an end in itself. African-Americans understood this during the long night of slavery. German opposition leaders understood it under the Nazis. Dissidents in the former Soviet Union knew this during the nightmare of communism. Resistance in these closed systems was local and often solitary. It was done with the understanding that evil must always be defied. The tiny acts of rebellion—day after day, month after month, year after year and decade after decade—exposed to everyone who witnessed them the heartlessness, cruelty and inhumanity of the oppressor. They were acts of truth and beauty. We must take to the street. We must jam as many wrenches into the corporate system as we can. We must not make it easy for them. But we also must no longer live in self-delusion. This is a battle that will outlive us. And if we fight, even with this tragic vision, we will lead lives worth living and keep alive another way of being.

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By democratz.org, December 26, 2010 at 12:31 am Link to this comment

Sign this petition demanding congress and the President enact a progressive agenda. Pass this link around. Post it on blogs around this country. The Peaceful revolution has begun.

http://www.change.org/petitions/view/to_congress_and_the_president_enact_this_legislative_agenda_into_law

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By LocalHero, December 25, 2010 at 11:58 pm Link to this comment

I kinda understand a lot of people’s need to be cared for by the state (in principle), but do you really want the same government-educated, corporate toadies dispensing “health” care as we have running corporations like Monsanto & Haliburton? The same types who inject brainwashed troops with experimental vaccines? (Some of whom have died on the spot.) 

I’ll take care of my own health but good luck, guinea pigs!

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By tihsstaezevahc, December 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

The way I see it is if Mr. Hedges religious background reinforces his instinctive moral compass to bring us awareness and lucidity to the debate, there is really no bearing on religion, then more power to him.

The psychological connection of religion and morality deserves to be broken. Morality, justice, equality, fairness and their associated abstract platitudes are a product of evolution and survival of the human species; religion developed because of them and alongside the human tribal instinct that gave rise to modern societies, not the other way around. In general we are moral because of evolution not because of religion. The morality that is found in the scriptures a product of human evolutionary development which religion has hijacked as its own.

So to bring the strawman of Mr. Hedges religious background is a flawed argument.

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By stonejaxx, December 3, 2010 at 4:59 am Link to this comment

resistance by nonviolent methods to a government, an
occupying power, or specific laws, as refusing to
comply, demonstrating in protest, or fasting.

need a 21st c. version of MKG & MLKjr

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By garth, December 1, 2010 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

Bob,

I am a little older in years than you. And as a result of seeing my PPD instead of my family doctor, and after taking some of the prescriptions, I feel like I am ‘rounding third.’  So do my brothers, sisters, and brothers-in-law.

I hope you are right.  I hope that some of those 80 year-olds get to say to the Health Insurance ‘Industry’ with a flick of their wrists under their chins, “Here’s to you!”

I don’t have any particular cause.  I just hate what’s behind all this. 

To me it’s human nature.  No one would stand around an let someone be beaten to death in plain sight without raising a hand to their rescue, or would they?

(In a moment, I remember that woman named Amy something or other who was stabbed to death on the streets of NYC in the 60s.  No one even called the police after her repeated cries for help.)

This is a turning point.

One way of looking at this is by raising the question:  Are you going to make these health Insurance Monopolies pay their freight, or do we get rid of them?

A sinking ship jettisons the heaviest and the most wasteful and the ones you can do without.


PS
The links I can still do without.  Look at Gerard, he simply mentions the the article, the author, and
the publication.

Google can be very useful.

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By garth, December 1, 2010 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

Bob,

I retract my crude comments about you.  After having been burned from accessing some these links on TD, I was suspicious toward your posts.

I am for Medicare for all right now and I am also for increasing the number of physicians that are graduated from US medical schools.

On one media coverage they said that graduates from the top Medical schools are more likely to reach the correct diagnosis before those graduates of second and third tier schools.

Well, we are not talking about the enactment of the “House” tv series here.  Were talking about national health.

You said, “... and pay much less in hardships</b>.”

My sister died of Cancer about 25 years ago after several years of experimental treatment.  At that time, a law existed that covered these hardship and experimental treatment cases. 

She eventually had had enough and chose to die. She asked my sister to take her for a ride.  They went by a funeral home, and she pointed to it and simply said, “I want to be buried from there.”  She was 34.

I say enough for profit from sickness.

Right now, the Health Insurance companies are raking it in.  Not only from increased premiums, but also from their investments in corporations that move jobs overseas.

When that boondoggle falls, it’ll be the same as it was a few years ago, in 2008 when their shareholder’s investments took a nosedive. And the person buying Health Insurance had to pay even higher premiums to cover their losses.

It all sounds good to them.  It’s all sewed up.  The government, the media, tired and depressed populace.  How can they lose?

But I have one question to those who think it’s all in the bag.  Did you ever try to pick up fully grown cat that did not want to be manhandled?

Try it.  There’s very important lesson there.

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By racetoinfinity, December 1, 2010 at 2:39 am Link to this comment

I agree that conventional reforms have failed and corporatist dominance on the rise in both parties, trusting either one to enact true reform is pretty hopeless.

I do support Paul Street’s prescription for a Democracy Amendment:

“I support (We need) a Democracy Amendment to the U.S. Constitution to fundamentally overhaul American elections in ways that would permit third and fourth parties to become relevant political and policy players. Election reforms required include proportional representation, full public financing (all private money out of public elections), a significantly shortened election season, the end of paid campaign ads, a totally different debate structure, etc.”

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By savanna, November 30, 2010 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

I 100% APPROVE BOB’s IDEA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    BOB, I fully support your idea.
    Why don’t we start working toward the goal of making it reality?
    Let us start NOW !
    Launch a good, strong website where a few/dozens/ hundreds/thousands
people will—taking turns—be convincing American people that what WE (it will
be ‘us’ and not just you at the time) advocate is the only way to do and to be.
The only human, decent, honest, just, fair way!
    Let’s make our website criss-cross the US back and forth many times over
so we get and impressive number of signatures from supporters.
    Publishing BIG newspaper ads, TV and radio appearances whenever possible
is also called for—so everybody learns there is such a website and other ways
where the petition can be signed.
    Will such a petition signed by millions impress Washington enough to give
us what we are entitled to—our RIGHT?
    If not; by educating the people we’ll do the necessary beginning. We’ll get
nowhere without it.

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By savanna, November 30, 2010 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

To all the Truthdig commenters who matter to me: people with class, wise
and kind, treating others with respect, able and willing to choose the words they
use to describe another commenter and his or her work, convictions and ideas.
People who want to make a difference but not stand out by throwing insults and
dirt on others whom they neither know nor understand.
    I want you to know that I am for FREE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL. In Europe you
also call it FREE HEALTH INSURANCE (the last word has nothing to do with
insurance company American type. The word ‘free’ says it all!).
    There are a few next to perfect health care models in Europe the US should
simply copy (the most curious of you can easily find enough info on the
internet). Such free health care is A RIGHT every citizen has.
    Do all the Europeans exercise it?
    —No, the private sector still exists and the ones who can afford it—choose
it. In terms of specialized medical treatment they are comparable because—as
a rule—the same doctors work in both sectors, public and private. That is fine
because there is no income based envy between them (the private sectors,
needless to say, pays much better). Some private clinics are indeed better staffed
(more nurses and other employees), have nicer, often single, rooms and often
have better equipment. That’s especially true about new democracies.
    I believe there is no reason it should be any different in the US. And my firm
conviction is that implementing THE FREE HEALTH CARE EUROPEAN STYLE IN THE
US IS LONG OVERDUE. And should be implemented with no further delay.
    If you want to convince me otherwise—don’t even try. I have never been
more sure about anything else.
    Also, I am not a health care expert, so I am definitely leaving at that my input
into the US health care reform discussion here. You will not hear from me on
this issue ever again even though I may read your comments.
    Needless to say I am curious of what is being done in order to bring about
THE CHANGE WE NEED. As far as I am concerned Bob has barely touched the
surface of what he has been doing. Not enough for me to either back him or
criticize him. Therefore I asked him the question: “What have you accomplished
with your positive tactics?” I hope I will get a chance to read his response some
day. 
    There is one more issue here. I am often unsure what is possible to
implement in America and HOW, how much of the needed change will American
people support and how to convince them to gain this necessary support. 
Therefore I will not criticize let alone insult people whose views differ from mine
who—contrary to what I would like—choose to go slow, “step by step” or totally
differently.

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By garth, November 30, 2010 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

Savannah, 

Then what is all this previous stuff about the Four Seasons Hotel?

And why are you unregisted?

And why do you write in all caps.  It’s a little difficult to read.

Savannah, I think, is really Armando from Watertown NY.

Just a wild guess.

Your backing Bob the Boob, though, leaves me to believe that either your understanding of the Health Care Situation in the US is unclear, or you are in the nest of the Health Insurance Companies.

They have put themselves in a Win-Win situation.  If they lose, they premiums have already gone up about 18% across the board.  If the win, they are guarated about 30 million new customers, by mandate.

And I’ll say it now.  If this goes to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will rule that mandatory health insurance is Constitutional.
I don’t know the legal arguments, but I can identify a snake in the grass. With Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy and the other ‘activist judge, it’s all over right now, ‘cept the shoutin’. 

The Insurance companies win big.  Democracy and the middle class lose big in this one.

Straighten up and fly right.  If you are neo-Nazi then I hope yu go on the “schnide.”

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By garth, November 30, 2010 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

Bob, or is it Boob,

Thanks for including mention of my reply.

“CLARIFICATION ABOUT MY PREVIOUS POST: truthdig support persons should be removing my first one + garth’s nonsense comment + this clarification. Sorry about the bother, partly resulting from my being new to this website.—Bob “


Your image shows the kind of head I’d like to position between a wrecking abll in motion and a hard place.

Let me give you an example of health care 40 and 50 years ago in Massachusetts at least.

I worked for a landscaper in the 60s.  I went shrtless one hot overcast afternoon and got 3rd degree burns. 

I went to my family physician, Dr. Allsion, he treated the burns and I think he charge me about $2.00.

Ten years later, home from school, I came down with a flu.  I called the family doctor, then it was Dr. Breed.  He asked me the symptons over the phone.  Feeling ‘fmart’ from my college learnin’ I said, “It was a sharp pain in my sternum.”

About 30 mintes later someone delivered to my door an elixir, a milky substance that cured what ailed me.  Dr. Breed charged me $7.00.


Until you can say that getting rid of the Health Insurance Companies is the first step, I say, “Sir, you are full of shit.”  And may God have mercy on you soulless existence.

I love you baby.  It shows I am geting to you.  For the rich it might feel like rats nibbling at their toes in the night. 

We can nibble, nibble, nibble.

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By Anarcissie, November 30, 2010 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

I think replacing the state with non-coercive institutions, which is what you need to do if you want to get rid of the present corrupt empire, is reasonable and possible, but it requires that people actually want to do it, rather than wait for some masters or great leaders to provide it for them.

In regard to medical care and insurance, for instance, we could begin by having cooperative HMOs and insurance systems, rather than those provided by either the corporate or the governmental arms of the state.  There are some in existence, but very few, either because they are inhibited by force of law or because people simply aren’t used to thinking about and dealing with their needs in that way.

Now that we’ve been through yet another iteration of the Great Leader song and dance, with the usual outcome, maybe people might want to think about doing something different next time around.

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By savanna, November 30, 2010 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment
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Hi, Bob The Health Care Advocate:
    By the way (let me say it even though by now it is probably obvious to all
the commenters and journalists here): I am a PRO FREE HEALTH INSURANCE
FOR ALL which is a RIGHT, not a privilege, which any decent democracy MUST
GUARANTEE ALL ITS CITIZEN (I am originally from Europe where a kindergarden
kid understands that).
    Back to your commment. 
    Quite possibly YOU are right when you say one must stress positive. Notice,
I said “possibly” because ...I DON’T KNOW.  You see, I have tried both and I
started in your positive fashion, continued for a LONG time and got nowhere
and took MY CAUSES ( some of them potentially serving millions have been
always important to me)...nowhere.
    Then I switched to the 180 degrees different tactic.( Switched?!  It’s not
exactly the word. There was nothing deliberate, conscious about it. My guess is
that with a stream of failures flowing through my body my blood temperature
kept rising and started boiling which probably turned on some switch) and—
you must be right—focused on the negative and have been focusing on for
quite some time also. Which—just like the positive before—has taken me
nowhere so far.
      So what is more effective”—I honestly don’t know.
      You want to know some facts supporting what I have just said?
      Here you are:
      Myself and a few dozens of other people have been mercilessly ripped off
by a group of powerful BIG BUSINESS SHARKS and the majority of us lost most
of our hard for long years earned and saved money (if you scroll down the
comments you will find a number of comments on the subject as well as the
links which will take you to the court documents of the three lawsuits filed
against the Sharks). Believe me, the SHARKS fought hard to have the lawsuits
thrown out of the courts with their “motions to dismiss” (they filed it twice to
dismiss the RACKETEERING lawsuit filed in the Federal Court). But they did not
succeed.
    How would you feel and behave if you have written in the past two years—
as I did—over 200 POSITIVE (yes, they were all positive) letters sent by emails
(mostly) and regular registered mail to all key politicians (specializing in
business fraud) of all levels, media outlets, not to mention the SHARKS
themselves and all you ever got was a WALL of SILENCE? So far I have found no
way to penetrate the CODE of SILENCE which HIDES the plutocrats closeted
skeletons and dirty laundry. If you know how to do it—teach me.
  And myself and a few other victims of the SHARKS have never demanded
much. It would be a good beginning for us, resurection of our dead hopes—to
see an article in a wide circulation paper simply giving the names of a few
defendants in our three cases—who happen to be some of the richest men in
the world—and a brief description of the legitimate, accepted, serious court
cases!
    Instead the corporate media feed you daily the same garbage: trivial,
assumed, alledged and made up.
    Tell us how much have you accomplished with your positive tactics.
    And, by all means: Good luck with what you do.

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By savanna, November 29, 2010 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment
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Hi, Garth:
Thank you. You made me smile.
  Leave it at that: nice and kind. Don’t push me to move anywhere from New
York where I am based. For starters: I can’t afford it. Secondly I have some
unfinished business to do here.I AM A DOER, YOU KNOW. I TEND TO FINISH
WHAT I STARTED. And I don’t mean talking and writing (although thes skills are
partially involved).
  What do I want?  I don’t think there is the need to repeat it to you. I want from
educated, intelligent guys like you one thing and one thing onLy : EDUCATING
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT THE CORRUPTION WITH MATH FIGURES. MATH,
YOU KNOW, IS VERY POWERFUL. THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. And the facts. So I want some disgusting facts exposed.
    You noticed, in my last comment I mentioned that the THE TRUTH about the
banks, their billions and billions dollar FRAUD should be exposed by Truth
diggers. I am not pushing you to do this any more (take some other economic
area instead). I HAVE JUST FOUND OUT FROM THE HUFFINGTON POST BUSINESS
SECTION (COVER PAGE!) THAT A WORLD FAMOUS, PERFECT WHISTLE BLOWER (AN
AUSTRALIAN BY ORIGIN, BASED IN LONDON) JULIAN ASSANGE ......HAS ALREADY
ALL THAT’S WORTH HAVING ON THE AMERICAN BANKS CORRUPTION AND HE IS
PLANNING TO EXPOSE IT ON HIS WEBSITE !!!!!
    Go to The Huffington Post and read it. It will make your day. It made mine.
    Best,
    Savannah

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By garth, November 29, 2010 at 7:43 pm Link to this comment

Savannah, Savannah
The whole day through (the whole day through)
Just an old sweet song
Keeps Savannah on my mind (Georgia on my mind)
I said a Savannah, Savannah
A song of you (a song of you)
Comes as sweet and clear as moonlight through the pines
Other arms reach out to me
Other eyes smile tenderly
Still in the peaceful dreams I see
The road leads back to you
I said Savannah, oh Svannah, no peace I find (no peace I find)
Just an old sweet song
Keeps Svannah on my mind (Savanahon my mind ohh)
Other arms reach out to me
Other eyes smile tenderly
Still in peaceful dreams I see
The road leads back to you
Oh Svannah,
No peace, no peace I find
Just an old, sweet song
Keeps Savannah on my mind (Savannah on my mind)
Other arms reach out to me
Other eyes smile tenderly
Still in peaceful dreams I see
The road leads back to you
Oh Savannah, Savannah
No peace, no peace I find
Just an old sweet song
Keeps Savannah on my mind (Savannah on my mind)
I said just an old sweet song
Keeps Savannah on my mind.


What is you want?  Maybe you should move north to South Carolina and be represented by the countrified gay boy, Lindsey Graham and that face without a name, Jim DeMint.

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By savanna, November 29, 2010 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment
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STOP THIS SPEECH AND POLITICAL WISDOM CONTEST!!!
What almost all of you say is so right. But wrong at the same time because it
will change nothing. And you can do better than that because you all know so
well that ANY ACTION be it an anti-war, anti-poverty and anti-whatever
demonstration or a revolution, or a strike can be launched and successfully
conducted O N L Y by BIG SHORT SLOGANS ON POSTERS AND BANNERS.
YOU   K N O W   IT CAN BE FUELED AND SPREAD BY CONTEMPORARY
SHOCKING FACTS OR CORPORARE CRIMES WHICH THE PUBLIC DOESN’T KNOW
(!!!!!!!!!) AND MUST KNOW TO GET REALLY OUTRAGED AND SPRING TO ACTION.
    It’s my last visit on this site if none of you supports THE EASIEST ROUTE TO
VICTORY WHICH MYSELF AND JOSE LUIS GUARDADO SUGGESTED ON THIS SITE:
EXPOSING THE DISGUSTING CORPORATE FRAUD.
    FOR STARTERS: THE Miami FOUR SEASONS SHARKS (owners and developers)
RIP-OFF of its investors.(The main goal: To build the hotel. They did not have
enough money so they had to still it somewhere).  Because it is an all American
story of corporate fraud (most of the victims are misguided and not rich people
who lost their life savings).
  (DON’T ASK ME AGAIN FOR LINKS TO THE THREE LAWSUITS FILED BY THE
VICTIMS. JOSE GUARDADO POSTED THEM FOR YOU A WEEK OR SO AGO. LOOK
FOR THEM AND YOU WILL FIND THEM AMONG THESE COMMENTS).
  Then you (and I would with you—if I see we have anything in common) look
for other stories like that to expose them here. DO YOU KNOW THAT ONLY
TWO BIG BANKS—MORGAGE LENDERS head sharks have been found guilty of
this ‘economic crisis disaster’ and brought to justice?!!!!! One of The Huffington
Post contributer enlightened me about this fact (failing to give the name of the
head sharks and the banks). And do you know why (he says)?
  “Because it is hard or impossible to prove that a bank really committed a
fraud”. If you are not outraged about such answer—let’s face it: you are not fit
to promote any change, even as a blogger. If you are fit—START DIGGING. YOU
DON’T LIKE MY STORY OF PERFECT PREMEDITATED MIAMI FOUR SEASONS
HOTEL FRAUD—TAKE UP A FRAUD OR TWO OF ALMOST ANY BIG BANK. THEY
ARE—YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT—VERY EASY TO PROVE.
    Let’s give the people HARD FACTS which are eye openers: A fact, after fact,
after fact, after fact. The math of these facts is unbelievable. Give people the
facts and not the philosophy REGARDLESS HOW WISE AND WELL PHRASED.
  “ACTION SPEAKS LAUDER THAN WORDS”.
    I am sure you know who said it. People don’t care. But they do care about
the facts, CONTEMPORARY FACTS which relate to their life. And ACTION.

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By garth, November 29, 2010 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

Chris Hedges quotes Dr. Margaret Flowers whose words would put dreary feelings into anyone this holiday season: “We are at a crisis” and ” ... no Democrats willing to hold the line on single-payer. Not one.” Although she erroneously calls Sanders’ bill “single-payer” (Reference: http://www.mforall.org/pages/HR676_and_S703) and implies that he had no control over the situation (”... forced by the leadership ...” (huh?) ... and she gives zero credit to the members of Congress who voted against the PPACA/HCERA (Reference: “

You look like a guy named, Bob.

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By Bonnie, November 29, 2010 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment
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Michael Cavlan: You ask, “What should we do?”

It’s up to you.  Do what is right for YOU.

The Feds/cops/military tell you what to do because they consider you a serf/slave/sheeple/child/brainless.

But we know you’re actually a mature adult, with a thinking brain.

So, balance your decisions between your Left and Right Brains, and go for it.

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By CJ2, November 28, 2010 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment
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To some who think “Taking To The Streets” is not a good idea, what is your REAL
excuse?  Is it all about FEAR or just APATHY?  If that is the case, just sit there, do
nothing, say nothing, and watch everything goes in total collapse!!  I cannot
believe how some people in America refuse to stand up for themselves! How long
will Americans continue to pushed into the mud by the Corporate Masters and
their puppets!?

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By Jim Buckley, November 28, 2010 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges, in his article in TruthDig at http://www.truthdig.com/report/page3/power_and_the_tiny_acts_of_rebellion_20101122/ and in his new book, “Death of the Liberal Class” describes the increasing corporate control of American society and our spiral into fascism.

His writing is lucid and well reasoned. I agree with him almost completely. He speaks the truth.

But it is pretty dreary. Hedges ends the article with “I do not know if we can win this battle” but he urges us to keep on “resisting”.

Hedges details how corporate America keeps us divided between meaningless dichotomies and cites Dr. Margaret Flowers, a pediatrician from Maryland who he says was blacklisted by the corporate media and locked out of the debate on health care reform by the Democratic Party and liberal organizations such as MoveOn:


    “The Democrats and the Republicans give the illusion that there are differences between them,” said Dr. Flowers. “This keeps the public divided. It weakens opposition. We fight over whether a Democrat will get elected or a Republican will get elected. We vote for the lesser evil, but meanwhile the policies the two parties enact are not significantly different.

That got me to wondering if we can’t also play divide and conquer. Is Corporate America so monolithic? Are there no good corporations? Seem to me that lots of (mostly small) corporations are ethical, operate within the law and support American democracy. How about Apple and Southwest Airlines and Google? Most of the companies I know in the masonry industry are family-owned. For many the image of John Gault seems to be a goal.

Or is it the corporate hierarchical structure that makes corporate America inherently and necessarily at odds with and in contradiction with American ideas about democracy and freedom? As I quoted the New Yorker, writing about Wikileaks back in June: Considering that many corporations are as big and powerful as whole countries, it’s instructive to note that in a corporation there is no right to vote, all power emanates from a central committee, there is no balance of power, no fourth estate, no judicial review and no freedom of speech. The economy is centrally planned, there is pervasive surveillance, no right of association and no opposition.

Google seems like a nice corporation. But as they get larger, richer and more powerful and have all this information about everyone, are they destined to become tyrannical?

I wonder if, like Democrats and Republicans, corporations can be categorized or divided and identified by their internal structure, motives or the good intentions of their owners and officers. Or is it all about and only about money?

Even if it is only about money, democracy and the creation of a forum where dissenting ideas can be discussed was thought by 18th century political theorists and by the American Founding Fathers to be a rational way to make decisions for governments. Why not for corporations? If you wanted to make a lot of money and make good decisions in a more of less sustainable way wouldn’t democracy and freedom work within a corporation as well as for a government?

Some corporations have and even encourage unions or are collectively owned by their employees. Some may have board meetings and internal policies that reward innovation or even dissent. On the other hand the corporations that seem to be mostly in the news these days appear to be greedy, arrogant and willing to pollute, screw their employees and the public alike and break laws if can’t outright make laws favorable to themselves and nobody else. Can we begin to list these corporate features and distinguish between the “good” corporations with democratic and rationalizing structures and “bad” corporations which operate more like North Korea or the Mafia?

Maybe corporate America isn’t as monolithic as Hedges supposes and the way to “resist” is to understand these corporate differences and work the contradictions.

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By @CT, November 28, 2010 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

addendum:
NEVER was a TruthDig comment—or, maybe, any other one, anywhere—more technically-difficult to post than the one including the lyrics (from 1970, which from the end of 2010, looks like the good ole days) to “Burn Down the Mission” (complete with the typo of “partish” for “parish”) :^|.

Hedges writes:
“We have no tools left within the power structure in our fight to halt unchecked corporate pillage.”

“[N]o tools left”? If we remember that human members of “the power structure”—drugged and driven and cossetted as they are, isolated as they are from such tacky concerns as where to sleep, how to face the infirmities of elderhood without Medicare (the fate of millions of underclass and/or sporadically-“employed” Americans (particularly FEMALES) OVER 65, consigned to hasty bureaucratic “care” from for-profit “nonprofits” running community health centers), whether their children will ever see the ocean, etc.—are still vulnerable to, and attached to, some things ... if only their, say, golf courses ... we may find tools—actual pig poop, perhaps? :^)—equal to the task.

The “heartlessness, cruelty and inhumanity of the oppressor” to which Hedges refers has loonng been clear to everybody in the world, and spitting into the masters’ bisque—micro-satisfying as that may be to servers, domestics, kitchen slaves and corporate wives in the leafy suburbs—isn’t equal to the disaster at hand.

For anybody determined to “Take to the street”—we hope and pray, indeed assume, that Hedges isn’t suggesting scheduled rallies, talked at by Congresspersons and talking heads—the freeways leading to the uber-classes’ country get-aways, some Friday afternoon soon, is a likely “street” for any masses eager to be shot down, head-cracked, popped for interstate “terrorism” or whatever..

As for “violence”, anybody who’s riding in a car in the US, or paying lip service to the glorious goodness of “our” econo-conscript troops in A’stan and otherwhere, is involved in “violence”—it’s reasonable to wonder whether we really “cannot embrace the contaminants of violence”, or just don’t like looking at the blood on our own hands.

“What would Jesus do?” What DID Jesus do? Would He—who threw the moneychangers out of the Temple, and was bloodily crucified and tortured for His efforts—have shrunk from the judicious application of a little pig poop, or whatever, in all the right places?//

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By Orbis Unum, November 28, 2010 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

What are the foundations of our beliefs and actions appertaining to what some incorrectly view as disobedience to systemic social governance of revolutionary “Political Ponerology”?

Written history has shewn us that Civilization has been built by people who enjoyed accumulating small pebbles of wisdom based upon experience and when necessary, sacrificing themselves upon the Altar of Liberty to maintain possession of these precious pebbles of wisdom. Not only for themselves but untold others willing to follow in the same footsteps. The cost to do have done otherwise, both within there own generation or for the benefit of future generations is unfathomable and absurd! Not to mention, treasonous against the Science of Right reason for the better ordering of justice and equality via the Law’s of Nature and Nature’s Creator, which have entitled us with both reason and power to manifest Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life.

Every once in a while, some misguided action tears down years or centuries of progress by ignoring or misunderstanding the basic truths of wisdom that underlie all that has gone before. And, for these reasons and these reasons alone, is it self-evident that the Law’s of Nature and Nature’s Creator being wise above all contemplation otherwise, have invested every individual with the equality of both reason and power to restore the balance of justice for all via these self-evident principles to which the Law’s of Nature and Nature’s Creator have entitled us! 

But, for those contending that the term ‘disobedience’ to political ponerological disorders parading under the guise of legitimacy, is the correct phraseology, should consider the term more appropriately expressed in the phrase ‘nonviolent resistance.’ It is ipso facto that one cannot be disobedient via nonviolent resistance while confronting Arbitrary Power and their Unregulated Monopolies.

Nonviolent resistance rests upon the cornerstone of the Science of Right Reason. That all individuals invested with legislative or executive powers of government are the trustees of both public and private interests equally, and as such are accountable for their conduct; wherefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and both the public and private liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, a natural right inherent in people, must choose to reform the old, or establish a new form of governance; the Doctrine of Non-resistance against Arbitrary Power and Oppression perpetrated by usages of perverted Science via the Nature of Evil adjusted for Political Purposes, is absurd, Slavish, and Destructive of the Good and Happiness of Mankind!

And people choosing by whatever means necessary to throw off such tyranny can never justly, rightfully, nor lawfully be termed as disobedient when confronting to injustice, whether others recognize the facts surrounding claims of injustice or not; if we are to manifestly establish any society upon the self-evident principles that all people are free-born, and as such are the supreme arbiters of ultimate power and as such ultimate sovereignty resides in them, not in their government.   

And for this reason, and this reason alone, in support of the aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

We honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

In conclusion, time is of the essence, which the wise draw-down upon in the fullness thereof.

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By @CT, November 28, 2010 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

Chris Hedges’ closing paragraph here is ... problematic:

“It is time to think of resistance in a new way ... Resistance in these closed systems was local and often solitary. It was done with the understanding that evil must always be defied. The tiny acts of rebellion—day after day, month after month, year after year and decade after decade — exposed to everyone who witnessed them the heartlessness, cruelty and inhumanity of the oppressor ... We must take to the street. We must jam as many wrenches into the corporate system as we can. We must not make it easy for them. But we also must no longer live in self-delusion. This is a battle that will outlive us ... “

—> Hedges isn’t clear, here—probably deliberately—on how “we must jam as many wrenches into the corporate system as we can” relates, practically speaking, much more to “local and often solitary” than to “take it to the street”.

“Take to the street”? Why??—unless masses take to the freeways (for example) by the thousands, perfectly prepared to be shot down in great numbers (the result of “nonviolent” movements of the pre-suveillance-state past nobody likes to mention), and/or sprayed by helicopters with G-d knows what drugs, poisons, nano-substances.

Burn Down the Mission
(Lyrics Universal Music Publishing Group
Written by Elton John, Bernie Taupin)

You tell me there’s an angel in your tree
Did he say he’d come to call on me
For things are getting desperate in our home
Living in the partish of the restless folks I know

Everybody now bring your family down to the riverside
Look to the east to see where the fat stock hide
Behind four walls of stone the rich man sleeps
It’s time we put the flame torch to their keep

Burn down the mission
If we’re gonna stay alive
Watch the black smoke fly to heaven
See the red flame light the sky

Burn down the mission
Burn it down to stay alive
It’s our only chance of living
Take all you need to live inside

Deep in the woods the squirrels are out today
My wife cried when they came to take me away
But what more could I do just to keep her warm
Than burn burn burn burn down the mission walls

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By Inherit The Wind, November 28, 2010 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Pacifist civil disobedience can work.  But it’s painful.  Gandhi and MLK demonstrated that.

Violent revolution always replaces the ruling thugs with a more violent and more totalitarian set of ruling thugs.

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By tihsstaezevahc, November 28, 2010 at 1:48 am Link to this comment

I agree that street protests are in vain. It does beget unnecessary violence without accomplishing its goals.

We got to realize that that they, the they being the corporate state, have all the guns, they control the money, they control the government, they control our lives.

They control the media, they control the message. They control what we think and our opinions.

When we do see the violent protests we see that in the end result that there is nothing accomplished. The street cleanup crew cleans up the street, the following day everything is back to normal as if nothing has happened. Everybody goes home, nothing changes. The masses don’t react since they all see heads cracking, they see radicalized protesters, radicalization=unreasoness. There is no popular uprising. The masses are controlled like livestock and continue enriching their masters and perpetuating their enslavement.

Fear is the motivator. Fear of losing the pittance that we have, the pittance that they allow us to have. This petty fear is what shackles us. We are paralyzed to inaction, even paralyzed to passive resistance.

Aye but our masters do have a weakness that we can exploit. Because you see they are also slaves of their possessions. They are slaves to their wealth and fear losing it; they fear a change of the status quo. They need us to conform so that they can maintain this inequitable status and conform we do.

We the masses have the power. We the masses can use the system imposed upon us to our favor by not conforming, by not playing by their rules. By changing the status quo, by making the corporate state fear us. We can rip away the government from their control.

There is only one catch, we have to do it all together, and we have to do it collectively. You got my back and I got your back; and on and on and on. The best part is we don’t need violence to do it. But it has to be a passive movement on a massive scale.

We need a tidal wave of people to stop paying their mortgages or attempt to renegotiate because it’s a trap they with the Obama administration has set up for us. Our goal needs to be 100 million foreclosures. We need to bring the banks and Wall Street to its knees. We need to break them.

This single manifestation of disobedience will bring our politicians to their knees so that they will listen to what we the people want and truly represent us. We need to break the two party system. Violence will not accomplish it because violence will only be perpetrated by a few. There is no long lasting legitimacy in violence. Besides the ones with the most guns will win, that would be the corporate state.

What would happen if we all canceled our health insurance policies in masse and demand single payer because making a profit on sick people and making illness a commodity is unethical and immoral but mostly unjust; do you think that we can break the insurance companies? When the uninsured flood to emergency rooms demanding healthcare and not pay the bill will this bring the medical industry to the breaking point? Will the politicians listen then? Will health workers demand a solution to inevitable bankruptcy? Will people in the medical industry demand government solutions? You bet.

As long as you pay your upside down mortgage, as long as you pay a health insurance premium, as long as you keep paying abusive credit cards, you are playing by their rules. You are a slave. Pay cash; keep your money out of the banks. Keep your money out of the hands of corporate America.

The courts have deemed personhood to corporations, this is wrong. Money equals speech, this is unjust. But wait, if these are the rules then money is our power, money is our speech. If we collectively deny them our money they will break. Collectively we will be one person.

So I call on all fellow citizens: let’s organize; let’s break them. It’s a start where they are most vulnerable. Everything else will follow.

Jay Ben

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By Orbis Unum, November 27, 2010 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

Re: Chris Hedge’s Column ‘Power and the Tiny Acts of Rebellion.‘Posted on Nov 22, 2010.

Mr. Hedges stated: “The one method left open by which we can respond—massive street protests, the destruction of corporate property and violence—will become the excuse to impose total tyranny.”

Response: Power takes as ingratitude the writhing of its victim.

Mr. Hedges stated: “We must take to the street.”

Response:  What does it mean to demonstrate in these days? Nothing. Demonstrations in the streets are for the deluded. They lead to unnecessary violence, and place energies out in universe that accomplish nothing except to further the aims of the oppressors, as Mr. Hedges clearly is aware of in my first response to his awareness thereof. One must wonder why he suggests such actions when the outcome is of little use in the reality of his predetermined outcome?

Individuals need to remain centered in the Now—as People—and to take effective action from a holistic perspective. We engage and remove oppressive systems not by trying to bludgeon them down, but by deflating them. Removing from them our energy proffered under various forms, to reflect our character of displeasure with their revolutionary schemes to defraud us of our rights to which the Law’s of Nature and Nature’s Creator have entitled us. By doing this, we can establish the better ordering of our societies upon the bedrock of Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!

Simple individual actions can cripple collective systems easily, which evinces a design of subjugation.

Mahatma Gandhi said it most clearly: “Nonviolence is the rock on which the whole structure of noncooperation is built.”

In support of the best aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

We honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

In conclusion, time is of the essence, which the wise draw-down upon in the fullness thereof.

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By tihsstaezevahc, November 26, 2010 at 11:38 pm Link to this comment

Hey by the way Chris Hedges is going to be interviewed by Thom Harman on Monday.

You can catch it on XM 167 or Sirius radio.

You can also catch the replay on Free Speech TV. 348 on Direct TV.

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By tihsstaezevahc, November 26, 2010 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment

ChaviztaKing=Tennessee-Socialist or his clone.
Same clown different disguse.

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By democratz.org, November 26, 2010 at 8:46 pm Link to this comment

A new political Party

I have created a LEGISLATIVE only political party. You remain in your party and also join ours to get needed legislation.

We the people of the United States of America form this Liberal Democratic Party of the United States of America for the promotion of a progressive agenda for America.

We generally support the progressive and liberal candidates that run in the regular Democratic party. We do not run candidates. We do not handle money. Our power comes from the unionization of our party members who tell GOP contributors and other regressive contributors that UNTIL you get the House and Senate and the President to enact our party platform at the present point into law YOU will lose our business as consumers. By doing this we avoid petitioning a corporate corrupted congress and go to the source of corruption and pressure them for the legislation under threat of massive boycotts.

Party members will send the party agenda by email to these GOP and regressive contributors and get new people to join us.

Imagine it and it will happen.

The Republican party appears weak and vulnerable at the cash registers of those companies that give money to them.

To join us go here http://www.democratz.org and send some emails and get others to go there. If you like this message then Join us.

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By GaryB, November 26, 2010 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

Chris, a subtle and powerful point about the format for resistance: all the time, anything, all causes.  It unifies us, so we can focus on the enemy instead of our own causes-all of which are doomed.  But:

Your recent articles have implied the full and prescient backing of Obama by the financial complex way before his election.  They supported anyone who might win, no?  The implication which is scary here is that they feel certain that their money will buy loyalty, even if the original ideology of the candidate seems non supportive.  Ouch!

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By aunti i, November 26, 2010 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment
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oh my dear chris hedges,
so much intellect
so much tender heart
so much fearlessness arising out of the ashes
you inspire me

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By Anarcissie, November 26, 2010 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, November 25 at 7:34 pm:

... Under current political realities, I believe our best political strategy is to resist the rightward shift in our political life, ally ourselves with those opposed to that shift, to continue our efforts to enlighten the uninformed, and to work to advance reform.

One problem with that program is that there seem to be no electorally viable politicians or bureaucrats anywhere who are not participating in that rightward shift.  Some are less enthusiastic about shifting, but that’s about it.  There is no visible anti-war movement, for instance.  Most of the Democratic Party has laid down, rolled over, and played dead at Mr. O’s command.  The unions are pretty much gone.  Now people who call themselves ‘progressives’ are talking about caving in on the gutting of Social Security and Medicare.  These are not radical issues we’re talking about here.

I don’t see where these allies you’re speaking about are going to come from.

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By garth, November 26, 2010 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

He has Dead Eyes:

Bradford Fitch appeared on today’s C-SPAN (11/26) and he was hawking his ‘handbook’ on influencing members of Congress.

He got less than a rousing support from the callers, but what struck me was his eyes.  They never changed, despite the facial gestures. 
(They did gleam, hwever, when a caller said he might earn a few bucks from this Capitol.net publication.)

Here, we have an example of a team that thinks it is in a full court rout.  The Powers-that-be have pulled all the stops.  This book as best decribed by a Democratic caller from Oklahoma is the ‘stuff we used to teach out 7th graders.’

The eyes might truly be, after all, a mirror to one’s soul.  But that’s how deep this struggle goes. 

Fitch is one of those people, one of the other people.  His designer ‘specs’, his ready responses like his ‘little stories from persona; experience’ to any disagreeing caller’s query.

Now, they are trying to fuck with us. They want to say, “Go back to sleep.  All is well.  Just trust that someone’ll email or write a letter.  You can make a difference, too.”

Reminds me of a church service I once attended.  An uncle of a friend of mine, a man who was off his drugs, jumped over the alter and wrestled the Priest to the floor.

Still holding the Priest’s throat with one hand, he turned to the worshippers and said, “It’s all right.  I’m CIA!  Everything is under control.  Now go downstairs and have a cup of coffee and a do-nut.”

That’s what the crazies of Power seem to be telling us through Bradford Fitch.

All is well. the crazies are in controll and they take your interests to heart.

Prayer:  God Forgive Us For What We Have To Do.


JD,

I see your points and I agree, and, or is it but, I basically agree with ITW. 

I watched Amy Goodman’s interview with Manfred Max-Neef this morning. 

He emphasized how stupid the ‘Deciders’ in the world are. 

We know what to do.  We know what works, and we know what is right, but we don’t do it.  That is stupidity.

Instead, they set up false dichotomies and present them as if they were in a moot court.

I refer to ‘them’ and ‘they’ instead of referring to ‘us’ or ‘we’ because, most humans can tell the difference between right and wrong, shit and chocolate ice cream. 

‘They’ believe otherwise.

My word of warning is:  Watch the anecdotes!
They can be beguiling and they’re most likely lies.

My Prayer:  God forgive us for doing what has to be done.

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By JDmysticDJ, November 26, 2010 at 4:30 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind

ChavitzaKing is clearly an irrational fanatic, and I’m nearly certain that only a miniscule percentage of truthdig readers give his fanaticism any credence. I don’t believe that refuting his fanaticism is necessary, and that simple insults and ridicule are the best methods of refuting his lunacy.

Your points,

“I STILL would like to enjoy the fruits of my labor.
I STILL would like to be the one making choices of what’s best for my children.
I STILL would like to be able to pick where I work, and who I won’t work for.
I STILL would like to be able to save for the proverbial “rainy day”.
I STILL don’t want to see my labor as “owed” to “my fellow man” (which only means I owe it to the thugs living large who run things).”

Remind me of right-wing points directed at liberals. If I were so inclined, I could use the same points to critique predatory capitalism.

Sorry, but I don’t think you should let him jerk your chain; he might jerk you into a reactionary response.

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By tihsstaezevahc, November 26, 2010 at 12:42 am Link to this comment

I see no cure has been found yet for Tennessee-Socialist condition.

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INHERIT THE WIND: I am an absolute Marxist, Trotskist and Leninist, because radical-socialism is the only ideology available today that would save the poor and the oppressed.  There is no other way and alternative.  Its either socialism or death, choose one !!
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Then you are a fool.  Every socialist and Marxist society has failed—but blamed their failures on sabotage and external forces, rather than their own inherent corruption and ineptness.

Why don’t you go live in one of the self-described Marxist societies?  Try North Korea, Zimbabwe, of, if that’s TOO Marxist, try China or Cuba….and discover that you can’t post here anymore…or get out.

I STILL would like to enjoy the fruits of my labor.
I STILL would like to be the one making choices of what’s best for my children.
I STILL would like to be able to pick where I work, and who I won’t work for.
I STILL would like to be able to save for the proverbial “rainy day”.
I STILL don’t want to see my labor as “owed” to “my fellow man” (which only means I owe it to the thugs living large who run things).

Go live there if you want.  I can just see you climaxing watch “Capitalists” and “Capitalist Tools” be stood against a wall and shot.

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By ChaviztaKing, November 25, 2010 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

F*CK CAPITALISM, F*CK CAPITALISTS, AND F*CK ALL PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT CAPITALISM, I HATE THEM ALL WITH A PASSION !!

NATIONALIZE ALL AIRPORTS, ALL AIRLINES to drive down the prices of coffee and soft drinks sold at the privatized Adam Smith, Ayn Rand airports

GIVE ME LENINISM, GIVE ME MARXISM, GIVE ME MAOISM OR SHOOT ME AND GIVE ME DEATH RIGHT NOW !!

I AM MORE COMMUNIST THAN MARX !!


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By ChaviztaKing, November 25, 2010 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

INHERIT THE WIND: I am an absolute Marxist, Trotskist and Leninist, because radical-socialism is the only ideology available today that would save the poor and the oppressed.  There is no other way and alternative.  Its either socialism or death, choose one !!


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By JDmysticDJ, November 25, 2010 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

David J. Cyr

The truths that you and others post here are profound and powerful, but they are not unknown to many you consider to be your enemies. I’ll argue that these truths are even known by many on the Right, but that the Right ignores these truths while continuing to advance a false pragmatism, and a Realpolitik, Machiavellian, Philosophy. These truths must be continually brought to light in order to combat and provide a counter balance to the Right’s propaganda, tragic policies, and agendas. The hope is that the truth will one day win out, and that these tragic policies will lose favor, and be condemned by enough people to provide a controlling majority which will end these tragic policies. Keep posting these truths, and I’ll try to do my little part as well.

Where you and I differ is a matter of strategy, I’ll continue to argue that your justified righteous anger blinds you to the best strategy for achieving mutual goals. At the present time, abandoning Democrats because of their wrong headed policies will only serve the interests of those with even more pathological policies and agendas.  It is my sincere belief that the truths and criticisms posted here are of the utmost importance, but it would be irrational to believe that these posts have any real significance in the grand scheme of things. Only a broad based, unified, opposition can be effective in combating errant government policies and politicians.

I am not free from irrationality, I continue to have the irrational hope that the American people will rise up en masse in opposition to errant government policies, but my rational mind tells me that before such an event would take place, conditions would have to deteriorate drastically, and I also fear that such an event would have a negative outcome, rather than a positive one. Discrediting liberals, and the “Liberal Class,” I believe, will only lead to a negative outcome in such a scenario, It has happened before.

Under current political realities, I believe our best political strategy is to resist the rightward shift in our political life, ally ourselves with those opposed to that shift, to continue our efforts to enlighten the uninformed, and to work to advance reform.

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By Leefeller, November 25, 2010 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

Yeah this name calling thing is most amusing, Obama has been labeled a socialist Pinko right wing fascist, ITW has been called a Zionist right wing fascist pinko socialist and I have been called all those plus a Nazi with Jack boots on and a sexist by a Hilliary and a Palin supporters.

Well in reflection, maybe if Hilliary had become president things would have been different and just maybe we would have a real health care plan?

On the other hand, if Plain had become vice president, I would be happy because Palin by now would have probably gutted McCain like a moose, taken over the white house and pressed the red button and I wouldn’t have to listen to the Republicans whining about Obama pushing for nukular cut backs!

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By David J. Cyr, November 25, 2010 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

QUOTE (Michael Calvan RN):

“NOTHING but talking will get us…. NOTHING”

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People discussing problems so great they frustrate answers, with the possibility that some of the frustrated might find a way to change course, rather than continue to do what is proof positive clearly wrong, is not doing “NOTHING”... especially when there might well be large numbers of people listening (reading rather than responding).

I’m quite sure that near everyone posting here is already either doing or trying to do something that they think might be helpful for them to do to make the world better than it is… so the future might be survivable, for a saner society.

The people who do actually do “NOTHING” are not particularly harmful. It’s the too many millions of people who regularly do do SOMETHING (something that’s really grievously wrong) who cause enormous harm… who are the greater part of the Problem.

A few magnificent [revolutionary] people activist actively doing the best possible political things to do haven’t any chance to positively affect outcomes, as long as 129 million people continue to solidly support what the corporate state does… by their ever diligently showing up to provide 99% popular vote mandates for more war, and no care for either people or the planet that all people depend upon.

There is NOTHING that is more of a real SOMETHING worth doing than attempting to persuade people, who might be well intentioned, to stop civil obediently being free-will accomplices in the crimes of the corporate (R) & (D) party.

There are no means possible for good to be gotten from a government, or the people governed, when 99% of the people (not doing nothing) are 100% of the time voting (R) & (D) for all the evil somethings to be done that government can do.

Fascist governments are supported by elections, when The People always vote for fascists.

Don’t forget, today is American’s most cherished holiday:

Thank Genocide Day

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By Inherit The Wind, November 24 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

i think that you are totally confused, how the hell can you defend US government and US founders. When US founders and all US presidents are damn evil, killers and fascists !!

You dont know any thing about history about US history, about US founders, about Hugo Chavez, about Castro and you are totally brainwashed by media or by libertarian ultra-right wingers such as Alex Jones and Jeff Rense.

I am sorry but i cannot go on debating with you because you are too brainwashed either by mainstream media, or by libertarian far-right conspiracy theory websites, or by i don’t know what.

Anybody who deffends US founding fathers, US presidents and who says Chavez is evil is totally confused, brainwashed or just plain dumb
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I don’t know History?  Look who’s talking: A fool who pretends that the WHOLE history of Latin and South America isn’t one of slaughtering and enslaving the native peoples—to this DAY!

The Czar sent my grandfather to Siberia at age 17 for passing out Socialist pamphlets, and he was there for many years.  When he was released, in a rare amnesty, he left for THIS country where he built a new life and raised a family.

If you think I’m a right-wing fascist then you have no idea what those terms mean. 

What you are is an anti-semitic totalitarian who would rather trust corrupt bastards like Saddam Hussein (whom you described as a saint) in a lawless society where the leader feels free to gas a couple hundred thousand citizens solely for being “a problem”.

You wanna live in a place like that? Don’t let the door hit you in the ass as you’re leaving.

Meanwhile, I’m going to fight to TRY to save this country from the real right-wing fascists who have worked tirelessly since 1978 to convert the US into a far-right “Christian” Republic, that allows Judaism but outlaws Islam, and ships anyone with a brown skin back to Mexico—even if they aren’t Mexican or have been here for generations.

I am regularly called “Communist”, “Socialist”, “Zionist”, “right-wing”, “dupe” and more foul names by dummies far smarter than you.

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By Leefeller, November 25, 2010 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

Now I think I get what Hedges is saying…...  Go stand….. in front of a….. tank?

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By Jay Ben, November 25, 2010 at 3:06 am Link to this comment
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My solution, simple. Get these bastards where it hurts the most, in the pocket. But for it to be effective it has to be done in masse. Using a term tabooed by the right, collectively. Yes, collectively with all the implications that will be made to socialism and communism. We have to ignore that since they control us through words. But us Americans are afraid. Afraid to lose the pittance that corporate America allows to trickle down to us. To live in a bubble of delusion and false hopes. The product of a lifetime of indoctrination. God forbid that you get labeled a liberal or a socialist.

As Janis Joplin said in her song, “Freedom is just another word for nothinig left to lose…”, (Bobby MaGee) how true. So having said that here is what the masses have to do. Bring the system to its knees, collectively. I have already started to this, join me.

1. Stop paying your mortgages. Tie up the courts more than they already are with over 100 million foreclosures. The more the better. Once the foreclosure is filed fight it, drag it out, refuse to move, file bankrupcy, do what you need to do to stay in your house as long as you can. Demand original documents. Since the conception of MERS (Google it) it is very difficult for banks to foreclose. Don’t do a modification, HAMP is a scam to get you to recommit, don’t do it. Like I said they most likely can’t produce the original paperwork as required by law. There are lawsuits in Florida to quiet title cause the bank can’t follow through on foreclose. Imagine that some of these people may be able to keep their homes free and clear. Go for it. I know people that have not paid their mortgages in over 3 years. I’m going on 1st year.

2. Stop paying your credit cards. They won’t sue you. If you live in a state with no homestead exemption file bankrupcy and let them take your house. By the time they try to take your house you should be years into your default. They can’t do anything to you. Don’t answer the phone for collectors, eventually they’ll stop calling and leave you alone. Really, I’m telling you this from experience. After 7 years you’ll have clean credit, bankrupcies 10 years. You’ll start with a clean slate. Trust me, I’ve been around longer than many of you. I’ve done before and I’m still here.

3. If you’re relatively healthy cancel your health insurance. Don’t pay the premiums. If you need a doctor go to the emergency room, the Bush health plan. When you get the bill for services rendered throw it in the garbage, don’t pay it. They keep sending you bills keep throwing them in the garbage. Nothing will happen to you, seriously. I’m living proof. Do the same for any doctor bills that are excessive. Just don’t pay them.

Finally, if you really feel guilty about doing this type of passive resistance there is a way to clear your conciensce. Forward all the invoices for your mortgages, credit cards and health care to your congressman and Senator. Tell them to take care of it.

Imagine thousands and even millions of invoices going to your congressman and senators. You think they’ll get the message? Will we bring the corporate plutacracy to its knees? The answer is an obvious yes. Radical? You bet. Just as radical as what is being imposed on us.

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By ChaviztaKing, November 25, 2010 at 1:57 am Link to this comment

I thought that the US founders were sort of Che Guevaras, but i was wrong. The US founders were oligarchic corporate elites just like Bush and Cheney. And the US independence and revolution wasnt a real revolution of poors vs. rich oppressors. but a sort of continuity of UK Empire, but in another land with another name

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By ChaviztaKing, November 25, 2010 at 1:49 am Link to this comment

Patriot: The problem is that 99% of the church organizations in USA are satanic and anti-God, anti-Christian, anti-Bible.  They are like oligarchic political parties. It’s almost impossible for people living in USA to be Jesus-imitators. (Christians).  If you think about it real well, in order to copy the behaviour of Jesus, he has to give his wealth to the poors, love his enemies, stay away from girls, sex, lust, fame, glory, and think more about others than their own selves.

I used to go to a church that practiced the communist christian ideology of Jesus, it was The Church of Christ.  They were real good people, they were socialists and lived for others, they gave you thing even if you were a stranger, and were real humble and anti-individualists.

What we need in USA is a Christian-Communist type of people like The Church of Christ to form a political party to save USA
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By ChaviztaKing, November 25, 2010 at 1:30 am Link to this comment

GOD DAMN THE USA !!

By joseluisguardado, November 25 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

ITW is a far-right winger, look how he hates Chavez, Mao, Lenin, Castro and defends US government, US founders who killed 20 million american indians. He is a yankista.  I dont really know why is he on this site.  This site is anti-USA, not pro-USA


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By savanna, November 25, 2010 at 1:21 am Link to this comment
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OK JLG, I am glad you said it. Let me add something to it:
In my opinion the uneducated and UNWILLING TO LEARN or EVEN LISTEN…,
are this country No 2 biggest problem!!! A HUGE PROBLEM!
    I mean the ones so uneducated and so intellectually lazy (if at all capable to
learn and to think) that they wouldn’t stretch their minds and eyes in order to
comprehend and to see that they share the country and the world with millions
of people who are TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THEMSELVES: FREE, bright,
curious, dedicated and compassionate who wouldn’t think twice about SHARING
THEIR SHAMEFUL STORY IN ORDER TO EMPOWER OTHERS WITH USEFUL
KNOWLEDGE, IN ORDER TO HELP OTHERS BY GIVINGE THEM A TIMELY WARNING,
IN ORDER TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.
    One has to be extremely narrow-minded (or paid well for spreading his or
her nonsense) to accuse anyone of “advertising his lawsuit for free”! For what
purpose? I am asking. Why should one want to do it in America where success
and success only is accepted ? Such an idea could only be born in the mind of
someone who hasn’t really lived and seen much and who understands nothing
about giving and sharing. Someone who is clueless about committment and
service. Someone clueless about duty and mission.
    Oh, yes, for people like myself (there are m a n y such people !!!!)—living a
nightmare, witnessing a crime, experiencing a premeditated fraud, truth hiding
and truth killing IS A DUTY AND A MISSION. A duty of a good citizen. And No 1
mission of a writer. The duty and the mission so obvious that I instantly become
a whistleblower and whistle as loud as I can. The fact that I am a badly damaged
victim (as I am in this case) has nothing to do with my sense of duty and
mission. It has a lot to do with my credibility: I am, just like JLG an insider
knowing the details of the MIAMI FOUR SEASONS HOTEL SHARKS racketeering.
Only a person with a tightly closed mind can object to having an insider view of
a timely story of extreme corporate greed and unimaginable premeditated fraud.
      The last but not least (as I wrote at length in my two posts yesterday)
the insiders-victims ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WILLING TO SPEAK THE TRUTH. The
strictly observed by the American plutocrats and their slaves (especially the
media people) code of silence has been doing its job. Our story of corruption
has been rejected by the NYT, WSJ, CNN, ABC, NBC, Channel 5, Miami Herald
and every other media outlet we have approached. Real truth diggers, people on
a mission, we have no choice but to tell the story ourselves.

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By ChaviztaKing, November 25, 2010 at 1:13 am Link to this comment

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THIS WEBSITE WITH SO MANY ANTI-CHAVEZ PEOPLE.  PEOPLE IN THIS SITE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOVE CHAVEZ AND HATE US FOUNDING FATHERS AND US PRESIDENTS !!

HUGO CHAVEZ, SADDAM HUSSEIN, FIDEL CASTRO, MAO AND CHE GUEVARA ARE SAINTS COMPARED WITH US PRESIDENTS AND WITH US FOUNDING FATHERS !!

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THE MINDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS WEBSITE !!

DON’T THEY HAVE INTERNET TO GET CLEAR INFORMATION ABOUT THE SATANIC EVIL OF US FOUNDERS AND US PRESIDENTS?

OR IS THAT SUPER-PATRIOTISM BLINDS THEM?

FOR MORE INFORMATION ON HOW EVIL AND SATANIC THE US FOUNDERS WERE GO TO: http://www.brianwillson.com

THANX

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By Inherit The Wind, November 24 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

i think that you are totally confused, how the hell can you defend US government and US founders. When US founders and all US presidents are damn evil, killers and fascists !!

You dont know any thing about history about US history, about US founders, about Hugo Chavez, about Castro and you are totally brainwashed by media or by libertarian ultra-right wingers such as Alex Jones and Jeff Rense.

I am sorry but i cannot go on debating with you because you are too brainwashed either by mainstream media, or by libertarian far-right conspiracy theory websites, or by i don’t know what.

Anybody who deffends US founding fathers, US presidents and who says Chavez is evil is totally confused, brainwashed or just plain dumb

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By democratz.org, November 25, 2010 at 12:53 am Link to this comment

We do not need to take it to the streets. Here’s how you can overcome the meanness of the RepubliKLAN Party and the cowardice of the Democratic Party.

I have created a LEGISLATIVE only political party. You remain in your party and also join ours to get needed legislation.


We the people of the United States of America form this Liberal Democratic Party of the United States of America for the promotion of a progressive agenda for America.

 

We generally support the progressive and liberal candidates that run in the regular Democratic party. We do not run candidates. We do not handle money. Our power comes from the unionization of our party members who tell GOP contributors and other regressive contributors that UNTIL you get the House and Senate and the President to enact our party platform at the present point into law YOU will lose our business as consumers. By doing this we avoid petitioning a corporate corrupted congress and go to the source of corruption and pressure them for the legislation under threat of massive boycotts.

 

Party members will send the party agenda by email to these GOP and regressive contributors and get new people to join us.

 

Imagine it and it will happen.

 

The Republican party appears weak and vulnerable at the cash registers of those companies that give money to them.

 

To join us go here http://www.democratz.org and send some emails and get others to go there. If you like this message then Join us.

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By joseluisguardado, November 24, 2010 at 11:28 pm Link to this comment

ITW… I don’t really know where are you coming from. Since when is it a bad thing to expose the corrupt and have justice being served?
The corrupt running free is the biggest problem this country has and you make it sound like this is a trivial thing driven by a personal selfish interest.
Yes, I and a number of other people were damaged by an evil corporation and I want the world to know it. Anything wrong with that?
By any chance do you own Four Seasons Hotels shares or what?

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By Inherit The Wind, November 24, 2010 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment

So…you just want to publicize your personal lawsuit.  Another character seeking free advertising.

No, I did NOT read all the way through the brief.  Why would I? I did glance through the headers.

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By omygodnotagain, November 24, 2010 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment

Look, the US lives in a world with other players such as Russia and China, what are they doing bypassing the dollar
this article is about Russia and Chinese trase (the biggest country and biggest population in the world)
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-11/24/content_11599087.htm

The Iranians are making similar deals with the South Americans. The Arabs are too. The days of the dollar scamsters at Goldman Sach,George Sores etc are numbered.  After following the debt policies of the US in the Euro zone, you can bet the EU will dump the US free market fundamentalists for heavily regulated markets. Its over, there is no need for rebellion We are becoming irrelevant, the US dollar is becoming worth less than toilet paper.

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By joseluisguardado, November 24, 2010 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

ITW.

Since when do the “megarich” have the right to take money away from the people? By the way, 90 % of the investors bought just one apartment using hard earned money for the down payment. In any case, stealing is stealing regardless of how wealthy the victim is.

I think this case has a lot to do with what is wrong with America today, when some large corporations helped by unscrupulous lawyers devise mechanisms to increase their fortunes on the backs of the rest of us. They can get away with it through an ultra slow and complicated legal system built on purpose so they can continue to get away with murder by outspending the people with the outrageous legal fees. The financial crisis we went through is witness this. The perpetrators, many of whom deserve to go to jail, keep on making megabonuses while the investor public got ripped off their savings and jobs.

If you take the time to read the details you will realize this was a scam of major proportions. They took money from the investors, run away with it and got them stuck with all the expenses and almost no revenue.

What does Bill Gates have to do with it? He happens to own half of the Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts company, with the other half owned by Prince Alaweed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. Their investment companies are aware of the scam, yet chose to ignore our claims. For them we are just peasants undeserving of the attention of their corrupt masters.

Yes, the hotel is very nice and that is why we thought it would be a good investment. Since when owning a nice hotel gives you the right to steal from everybody?

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By garth, November 24, 2010 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment

ITW: “BTW, I’ve stayed at the 4 Seasons in Miami and it’s a VERY nice hotel.”

I had a funny feeling that was you I saw in the lobby of the Four Seasons in Miami before I left for the Atlantis in the Bahamas.

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By JDmysticDJ, November 24, 2010 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

David J Cyr (et. al.)

Savanna makes a good point, though I do think savanna is primarily motivated by a self interested special issue, which I believe is the same infection that corrupts many of our elected representatives.

Doesn’t it get tedious restating the same opposing perspectives over and over again? I’ve got an idea. Why don’t we record our best arguments, compile them into one post, and then post, and re-post that post when appropriate.

For example, you David J. Cyr, might want to include in your super post, Hedges, when he wrote,” There is no hope left for achieving significant reform or restoring our democracy through established mechanisms of power [Democracy].” You could then include your best arguments regarding the duopoly between the two parties, and how they are both equally under the thumb of their corporate masters, and that there is no difference between the two parties, and how the non-violent need the violent to give them a helping hand. I’m sure that many would never tire of reading it.

The more I think about this idea the more I like it. I could simply post, “You _ _ _ _ _ are an irrational loony who is unable to identify very real dichotomies, and who advocates taking a counter productive, divisive, road to oblivion that will only serve the interests of actual tyrants, and eliminate any possibility of real progress.” I like it! I’ll never tire of posting it!

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By Inherit The Wind, November 24, 2010 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

I don’t understand what a suit against The 4 Seasons in Miami has to do with this thread other than trying to drum up sympathy.

I see that one of the plaintiffs alleges to have bought 6 condos in the hotel for $4 Million.  Nice to have that much money for a real estate investment.

But it looks like they planned to rent them out and it fell through.

How is this Bill Gates’s fault????????

BTW, I’ve stayed at the 4 Seasons in Miami and it’s a VERY nice hotel.

But WTF does this have to do with this thread other than trying to get free advertising for your lawsuit?

And why is this somehow some social cause to get investors back their four million bucks on 6 condos?

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By savanna, November 24, 2010 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment
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HELP IS COMING!!!
TO MICHAL CAVLAN, GART and OTHERS willing to dig up the TRUTH about the
THREE LAWSUITS AGAINST THE MIAMI FOUR SEASONS HOTEL OWNERS and
DEVELOPERS filed in TWO COURTS by a few dozens damaged investors.
  Another insider will soon provide you with the links needed to access the
government site.
  Digging there will be well worth your effort.
  The defendants include Isadore Sharp—The Four Seasons Empire Founder,
Bill Gates-a co-owner, Christopher Jeffries, the Owner of the Millennium
Partners which buit the hotel…
  Two lawsuits are filed in the Miami Court. One (Racketeering!!!!) in the
Federal Court.
    The info is public property now and can be accessed an pulled from
appropriate governemnt sites. However, to make things easier for you I have
asked another insider for providing you with some computer links. He
promised to do it soon. Thanks ans start digging. You will be glad you did.

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By garth, November 24, 2010 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

Participate in constructive change WHERE YOU ARE.”

Thank you, Gerard

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By gerard, November 24, 2010 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

For those who think these posts are a waste of time and/or ineffective, argumentative ego-trips, I disagree.  Over time I have watched constructive efforts overtake negative fatalism gradually.  We have several regular contributors who have for some time been suggesting tangible things anyone can do who chooses to help out and ultimately change the world. Many cite helpful resources.

All these helpful comments suggest the same essential message:  Participate in constructive change WHERE YOU ARE.  Rebuild human community, return to a respect for the land (Nature) and respect for the health of the planet.  Find ways to free yourself from dependence upon a technological and organizational system that is failing at all significant points.

Please watch for more of these helpful comments here and wherever you find them, and join the future.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, November 24, 2010 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

Savanna

Can you provide a link? I tried to google it and found nothing. At least you are
asking people to DO SOMETHING. I will be honest as my initial thought was
“dear God, the problems we face are far bigger than some hotel issue in
Florida.”
I still feel so but am willing to look.

However, I have come to understand some things. Democracy is dead. It died.

The response of the American people are, turn on American Idol. While the
American “lefty” blogosphere is, lets play debate and intellectually masturbate
all over each other. Show how much we know about dead revolutionaries annd
various theories. Talk, talk, talk. Debate debate.

But work and actually do something? Gasp, that is for the common folks. Not
for those educated and with Phd’s and such.

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By garth, November 24, 2010 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

Savanna,

I quote you,

Do me and the world a favor and answer my specific questions:
  1. ARE YOU WILLING AND BRAVE ENOUGH TO DO SOME DIGGING AND ACCESS THE GOVERNMENT LEGAL PAGES (MIAMI COURT AND THE FEDERAL COURT IN WASHINGTON) TO LEARN (BECAUSE—OBVIOUSLY—YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT) ABOUT THE THREE LAWSUITS OF THE VICTIMS OF THE OUTRAGEOUS INVESORS RIP-OFF AGAINST THE MIAMI FOUR SEASONS HOTEL OWNERS (WHO INCLUDE BILL GATES) AND DEVELOPER—THE MILLENNIUM PARTNERS HEADED BY CHRISTOPHER JEFFRIES ???
  2. DO YOU HAVE GUTS TO COMMENT IN TRUTHDIG OR ANYWHERE ELSE ABOUT YOUR FINDINGS KNOWING THAT THE CO-OWNERS OF THE MIAMI FOUR SEASONS HOTEL ARE SOME OF THE RICHEST(and therefore most powerful) MEN
IN THE WORLD?—If your answer to this question is “No”—let me know that as well. The day I hear it—wil l be the last day I will have written any comment here, not to waste my time.
  3. Can you tell me why the CODE OF SILENCE OF THE AMERICAN MEDIA loses its grip ocassionally but still holds strong when it comes to such people like
Gates? Is there a chance to EVER expose in the American media his (and a few others close to him in finances and power), and…. HOW ?
  Looking forward to hearing from you.
  Thanks in advance for your answers.

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My first reaction is doubt.  But that’s me (and I suppose many others.)

Thanks for the challenge.  I admit that I know nothing about the hotel situation in Miami. To paraphrase a beautiful woman, I generally Winter whereI Summer. 

To get back to your point, I’d guess that hardly anyone knows, but I am not privy to the information flowing on the interNet.

I’d love to follow up on the questions that you brought up. But, I think we could all use a primer on investigative research, especially with tools like the InterNet.

Gates and Buffet are nooz.  That’s for sure.  But then again, that’s why I am not nooz.

Last month, I mentioned about the toxic dry-wall that was used in South Florida. (I got ....No response.)

The dry wall was imported from China.  The Chinese government said that it would replace the dry-wall at no cost to the 300 or so homeowners.  And added a hush-hush clause.  That tells me that the scandal goes much further.

(Brain fart: Thank you for including me in your references.)


You could lead the way for at least some of this blog to be news worthy.  Unedited, reporting of what is going on locally.  But, you’ve got to have a vagina or is it balls. I am like the tennis watcher who last score.

If you are serious, and I think I’ve covered most of my tracks, I am with you, until further notice. At your service.

For an old, superannuated fart from the 60s, there’s nothing like a cause.


But the warning is, and you should accept the warning as an equal, if you are fucking around well, I’ll never talk to you again.

All caps, though, is a giveway for a woman on high menses.

“Thimk” about it.

I used to love playing tennis women.  You can always take them out after the match, win or lose, and get laid.  Or get screwed.

That’s the danger.

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I am still waiting for my last comment addressed to some co-commentators to be
posted by you. I AM A MEMBER.
savanna

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By @CT, November 24, 2010 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

David J. Cyr writes:
“It is the corporate party’s Democrats that have **FALSELY** taken credit for every hard gain won by people in social justice struggles. Through a combination of a lies-based false history and thuggery threats, millions of well intentioned people seeking good policies from government have been regularly lured and forced — like cattle to slaughter — into voting for undeserving Democrats, who provide what Republicans want… after which the Republicans want more than the Democrats have given them… so the Democrats then give the Republicans more.

There are no “BOTH parties”!”

I expect there are quite a few people reading here who appreciate Cyr’s continuing to post.

William J. Kelleher, Ph.D. writes:
“[Hedges’ piece] sounds like despairing fatalism and surrender, to me.  Is this the best he can do at leading the charge of rebellion?!  Abandon organization!?

All he is doing is meeting his commitment to fill a column.”

On the other hand, Hedges can’t very write “Brothers and Sisters, Barack Obama was a Republican sleeper cell since his college days, so sharpen those machetes and get ready”, can he? If Hedges DID say that, he would soon ... take sick, have a car crash/house fire, find himself waking up in a psychiatric facility, or whatever. And he wouldn’t HAVE a column on which others may hang comments.

In these Patriot Act days of total surveillance and mostly-“soft” fascism, reading between the lines is one craft to cultivate.//

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By savanna, November 24, 2010 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment
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You are saying that the post of members are published instantly.
Not so. I am a member and my LAST post, sent at least 10 minutes ago not only
did not get published instantly but is still being moderated.
Regards,
Savanna

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By savanna, November 24, 2010 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment
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Hi, Truthdig commentators:
DO YOU WANT CHANGE OR YOU JUST WANT AN ONGOING CONTEST OF YOUR
COMMENTS VERBAL ACHIEVEMENT????? !!!!! Each of you (and many other
commentators as well!) seems to want to beat the other with his VERBAL style
and content which is the long learned university course.The display of such
knowledge ALONE can and will do NOTHING to bring about THE CHANGE we
need.
  WE NEED: 1. To shake the masters of our destiny 2. To educate the masses
which know very little of what is going on and understand even much less 3.
ACTION. 
  NONE OF YOU HAS PROPOSED AND INSPIRED ANY OF THE ABOVE YET. Will
you EVER?
  No offense, Gentlemen. Answer seriously, please. I am treating you seriously
writing to you AGAIN; my first try were my comments signed “savanna”.
  I am asking this question JDmysticDJ, garth, psychobabbler, David J. Cyr,
Inherit the Wind, Gulam, archivesDave.
  Of all the commentators I have come accross the internet—the Truthdig
diggers like yourselves are the most savvy and compassionate.
    Do me and the world a favor and answer my specific questions:
    1. ARE YOU WILLING AND BRAVE ENOUGH TO DO SOME DIGGING AND
ACCESS THE GOVERNMENT LEGAL PAGES (MIAMI COURT AND THE FEDERAL
COURT IN WASHINGTON) TO LEARN (BECAUSE—OBVIOUSLY—YOU KNOW
NOTHING ABOUT IT) ABOUT THE THREE LAWSUITS OF THE VICTIMS OF THE
OUTRAGEOUS INVESORS RIP-OFF AGAINST THE MIAMI FOUR SEASONS HOTEL
OWNERS (WHO INCLUDE BILL GATES) AND DEVELOPER—THE MILLENNIUM
PARTNERS HEADED BY CHRISTOPHER JEFFRIES ???
    2. DO YOU HAVE GUTS TO COMMENT IN TRUTHDIG OR ANYWHERE ELSE
ABOUT YOUR FINDINGS KNOWING THAT THE CO-OWNERS OF THE MIAMI FOUR
SEASONS HOTEL ARE SOME OF THE RICHEST(and therefore most powerful) MEN
IN THE WORLD?—If your answer to this question is “No”—let me know that as
well. The day I hear it—wil l be the last day I will have written any comment
here, not to waste my time.
    3. Can you tell me why the CODE OF SILENCE OF THE AMERICAN MEDIA loses
its grip ocassionally but still holds strong when it comes to such people like
Gates? Is there a chance to EVER expose in the American media his (and a few
others close to him in finances and power), and…. HOW ?
    Looking forward to hearing from you.
    Thanks in advance for your answers.

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By JDmysticDJ, November 24, 2010 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

ChavitzaKing

The issue is not being willing to die to eliminate tyranny, achieve justice, etc. the issue is being willing to kill to achieve the same. Putting forth a ridiculously absurd scenario; If you and your ilk were to achieve power, I believe you would use your claim of patriotism and virtue in order to create a nationalist fervor. I firmly believe that you and your ilk would become repressive in a National Socialist or Totalitarian Socialist sense, and that what you espouse would eliminate any possibility of democratic socialism.

I also firmly believe that your analysis of the historical atrocities of Capitalist/Religious, backed Colonialism is correct, and that the historical evidence to support your contention is undeniable. Righting these wrongs is not possible, but recognizing them and having a commitment not to repeat them is possible. Unfortunately, we appear to be repeating these types of wrongs as we speak. I concur with your espoused desire to end these atrocities and injustices, but I believe that your espoused methods are stupid, and would only continue atrocities and injustices.

Personally I don’t equate Chavez, Castro, and Che, with Stalin et.al; but I do believe calling the worst of these examples saints is absurd. I’m willing to consider sainthood for Chavez and Morales and others, but I fear they would fall short of achieving that status. Evaluating Stalin, Mao, and Saddam Hussein is subject to much propaganda and demonization, but I doubt that there are many actual saints that would condone Saddam’s behavior, and ask him to join the club.

Evaluating Mao on the other hand requires some knowledge of Chinese History, and a consideration of the events that encompassed his life. I’ll offer that Mao in his early years was heroic, but that he would not be a candidate for membership in the sainthood club, and that if he did make it into the club by some strange chance; he would be drummed out of the club in his later years. There is a difference between creating famine, and outright murder, and because propaganda often obscures realities it’s difficult to ascertain definitive truth in these matters, suffice it to say that Mao and his followers seem to have been guilty of both of these phenomena.

Che might be a more legitimate candidate for sainthood, if his image had not been marred by plastic surgery and kangaroo courts. It can be argued that Che was justified when he stood his enemies up against the wall, but he accomplished nothing but revenge on his despicable victims, while providing fodder for propagandists in the process. I’ll point out that he came to a less than saintly end, unless you consider having your limbs shot off, and surrendering, a kind of crucifixion.

If my comment has angered you, please don’t overreact and go out and start the revolution by yourself, someone could get hurt, most likely you.

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By garth, November 24, 2010 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

The thing that is ‘bad’ or ‘wrong’ or whatever negative adjective you’d like to use, in response to the question, “What is wrong with dying in a revolution, or dying for freedom.”  is just that, you are dead.  That’s the end of your freedom. 

To enter a struggle of this magnitude blithely using the echoes of our red-blooded American cries of previous wars is now, in the 21st century, ill advised. 

They could easily use the media goal to stir up the masses.  Have them do something impulsive, or more likely, stage an incident and blame it on the Communist/Socialist workers or some such nonsense.

For example, crack the heads of the ones who do not want to submit to X-rays now only to have to submit themselves later to an expensive Cancer treatment at some Cancer Treatment Center. 

And, I’ll bet, at first everyone at the center will be sooo nice.  The Doctors will listen and they’ll be understanding.  The nurses will be supportive. 

I have found that latter point to be true whenever I am being gouged.  The person selling the service or the help is very ‘nice’, provided you can pay the outrageous fees. 

That’s when we ought to take the advice of LBJ’s when he met with the likes of Chief Justice John Roberts’s father, the head of US Steel.  LBJ said, “I always check to see if my wallet is still there.”
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I agree with David Cyr on two points.  I worked at the GE when it was an IUE shop.  In the 30s and 40s, the IUE and UE fought.  The UE was a much better union, 100% for the worker.  The IUE was in collusion with the GE management, and IUE won.

Second point, about the likelihood of violence on citizens by the police rather than by the military.  I agree.  It’s a good point.  Especially, since the police departments are getting a lot of the military hardware for crowd control, etc.
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Last but not least:

There is no terrorist threat to speak of from the caves of Pakistan and Afghanistan, nor from the mountains of Yemen.  The Terrorsist threat comes from within.

Turns out, one my Professors was right in 1969 when he said the US now needs a lot of small wars.

The End Game though:

The news media is hyping the new START treaty.  They are saying that Russia is now our friend.  They cite how the Russians are letting us use their country as a military pathway to Afghanistan,  The ‘geniuses in the State Department think the Russians are stupid. 

The Russian response reminds me of one time when I was getting a haircut.  An acquaintance of the barber poked his end in the door.  They exchanged the usual ‘hellos. 

My barber asked the guy how he was doing. 

His acquaintance replied, “Not good.  I’m thinking of jumping off the Tobin Bridge.”

The barber asked, “Need a ride?”

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By Psychobabbler, November 24, 2010 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment

Gulam,

Sorry for accusing you of ignorance.

I do not know why “Traditional Family Values” are so provocative for me. Maybe somebody smarter than me can solve that mind boggling mystery.

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By David J. Cyr, November 24, 2010 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

QUOTE (Joshua Watt):

“It’s disgusting to see people still trying to blame the democrats for everything, yet say nothing about the republicans.  Their comments clearly shows their agenda is one-sided and they pretty much missed one of the points of the article, which is that the polical system is broken and BOTH parties have sold out to Coorporations.”
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Letter case is important in political discussion, because Republicans are not really republicans, and Democrats are definitely not democrats.

My father was a union rep. He devoutly believed that the Republicans represented the rich, and that the Democrats represented everyone else. But the evidence he based his support of Democrats on was merely the Democrats’ very reluctant (elections occasional) empty promises of the smallest of crumbs possible, whenever workers sought the whole loaves they deserved. The Democrat misled unions rejected the democratic (socialist) organizations that had made them strong, and they embraced the autocratic corporate party Democrats, who now won’t even provide crumbs for the hard working people who still support them… while banksters get bonuses.

It is the corporate party’s Democrats that have **FALSELY** taken credit for every hard gain won by people in social justice struggles. Through a combination of a lies-based false history and thuggery threats, millions of well intentioned people seeking good policies from government have been regularly lured and forced — like cattle to slaughter — into voting for undeserving Democrats, who provide what Republicans want… after which the Republicans want more than the Democrats have given them… so the Democrats then give the Republicans more.

There are no “BOTH parties”!

There is one corporate (R) & (D) party, divided into two factions enabling it to fool near all the people all the time. The difference between Republicans and Democrats is mainly in which fools each always fools.

What distinguishes Democrats is their truly remarkable ability to keep people believing their lies whenever their Republican partners can’t.

All corporate (R) & (D) party voters are faith-based voters… but the votes Democrats get are from voters who have misplaced their faith.

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By Frank, November 24 at 2:58 am Link to this comment
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What is wrong with dying in a revolution, or dying for freedom. That is not wrong at all. A revolutionary like Che Guevara, Simon Bolivar or Patrick Henry should be willing to die for their country, an ideology or any cause, that is honorable and makes us greater and stronger.

Read this patriotic socialism honor code i wrote:  The American Patriotic Honor should be based in that all US citizens who have committed themselves to defend the American Nation from the capitalists and Israel, should have these required traits: courage, bravery, and the physical muscular strength and that he is really devoted to defend the United States of America from the jewish-capitalists with his life, and never surrender the American Flag and the goal of socialism to which he swore.

By the way, watch this video by Tom Morello, a very motivational song:
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So, no wonder you think all these bastards are saints: Your own words show you to hate Jews, to want to purge America of Jews, just like Hitler.

“What is wrong with dying in a revolution, or dying for freedom. That is not wrong at all.”

Feel free. With my blessing.  Or are you just another chicken hawk, spouting words for OTHERS to live by that yourself will never act on?

How many hundreds of thousands did Saddam Hussein gas?  How many millions died in the war he started with Iran?  Some saint!

Your heroes, Castro and Chavez, are descendants of the Spanish, who wreaked FAR more havoc on Native Americans than the British descendants did in North America.  Countries like Cuba wiped out EVERY Native America, as did many South American countries, Argentina especially.  The tally of dead Native Americans in what is now South America, Central America, and Mexico due to the Spanish invasion by Castro’s and Chavez’s ancestors is far, far greater than the inflated tallies of the United States expansion—which ended in the massacre of 1890 at Wounded Knee.

To this DAY, Native Americans in the Amazon are being slaughtered by European descendants, 120 years after it ended in the USA.

It is phony hypocrisy to hold the US responsible for the atrocities of 17th, 18th and 19th centuries but conveniently forget those in the past of your “saints”.

Don’t forget that Mussolini, Hitler, Castro, and Chavez ALL at one time claimed to be “Socialist” (although Hitler was a National Socialist, never a Marxist Socialist—because Marx was, of course, a Jew).

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I’m a Vietnam vet who understood the Civil Rights Movement and that Dr. King
was murdered for speaking out against economic oppression before I went to
Vietnam, where some 30% of infantry forces were African Americans, 10% of the
US population at the time. 

When these guys went home, they faced another war, the FBI’s COINTELPRO
Constitution-shredding treason that murdered Fred Hampton in his bed, as
cowardly an act as US citizens ever committed. 

I watched Nixon’s Southern Strategy bringing unrepentant Old South racists into
the Republican Party in order to make it a large enough minority to legitimate
corporate rule. 

Since then, Carter is the only true Democrat who has been President, and Carter
did something like Dr. King - began a policy of getting the US off imported oil,
which the permanent (corporate) government knew would curtail growth in the
economy. 

Corporate money’s guy, Reagan basically hounded Carter from office, and US
democracy died within a record number of felony convictions in one
Presidential administration. 

All of this happened under what is called neoliberalism, an economic theory
embracing overt economic oppression and resource theft.  When the CIA got
Salvadore Allende murdered in Chile and installed General Pinochet into power,
his dictatorship forced the Chicago School neoliberalism of Milton Friedman
onto the people of Chile. 

This led to more installations in South and Central America and finally, to
Reagan’s “trickle-down” economics, the US installation. 

If the feckless Obama shows that he can be trusted, the global corporate power
structure will allow him another term of office.  Some are already comparing
Obama to Truman, a resurrection project matching Dubya’s recent book of lies. 

Hedges has control of the problem facing democracy but doesn’t know most of
it.  Creating a solution requires a true grasp of present reality.

A global democracy movement has come on the scene since the WTO’s failure
in Seattle in the Clinton years.  He got NAFTA done, causing wide scale Mexican
immigration to the US, but even Slick Willy couldn’t get the WTO forced onto the
world’s people. 

He and Dubya drove the people to organize democracy movements in every
country on Earth except the US, where the population has suffered propaganda,
distraction, and the fear-inducing policy of economic contraction since Nixon. 

Now we see the final push to render the US a nation of 2 classes - the rich and
the serfs - that FDR managed to stop for about 60 years, until the Clinton
administration shot down Glass-Steagal and ushered in Wall Street’s wet dream
- casino banking, which returned home ownership in the US to 1940s levels and
disappeared trillions of dollars of home equity, where most middle class wealth
had been held. 

Hedges is right in saying that this band of moral degenerates is powerless in
the face of the ecological crisis that will soon collapse civilization on Earth, for
better or worse. 

Collapse is all that can disengage these neoliberal parasites from human
society. 

So what do we do, in the meantime? 

Transition ourselves to ecologically sound lifestyles through healing, changing
consciousness, resistance, creating alternatives, and building sustainable
community, the only thing capable of saving enough humans from collapse to
avoid the US looking like Afghanistan - corruption administered by corporate
warlords with the financial wherewithal to hire mercenaries from corporations
like the one that used to be called Blackwater, US Special Operations-trained
forces capable of defeating the US military if it is deployed in democracy’s
behalf. 

As Michael Rupert said, stop thinking like dinosaurs.  Please watch this series of
short videos: http://permaculture.org.au/2010/11/22/global-crisis-
explained/.  Then get to work transitioning.  Visit http://www.transitionus.org.
Thanks, and good luck.

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By archivesDave, November 24, 2010 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

Psychobabbler:

“Gulam,
Your gross generalizations about the American people
reeks of ignorance.”

Ignorance…hmmm…..Now THERE’S a topic for
discussion: let’s see now, just who’s ox is being
gored???

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By Psychobabbler, November 24, 2010 at 3:41 am Link to this comment

Gulam,

Your gross generalizations about the American people reeks of ignorance.

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By Gulam, November 24, 2010 at 3:00 am Link to this comment

Thank you JDmysticDJ. Indeed I am not the ogre suggested by some here. Just
because I regard feminism as logically, historically, and religiously suspect does
not make me aggressive or brutal toward women. When my daughter was
sixteen months old my wife took off for Europe on a Fulbright, leaving me at
home with the baby, but this was little problem, since I was better with babies
and had been more interested in having them. That wife eventually divorced me,
and I moved to Canada, where I bought an old house. My first friends in town
were ages four and six and eight. That was seven years ago, and this afternoon
I played Scrabble with two little boys, including one of the original gang. After a
couple of years here I was asked to preach in the local United Church for twelve
weeks while they searched for a new minister. On the last Sunday of that series,
in the afternoon I married the organist. My new wife fell for me she says when
she came to my house the first time and talked with the children who came
there. My grown second daughter pulled me aside when she came for our
wedding: “Dad, Mom has been reading cookbooks and magazines and has been
practicing a lot. She can cook as well as you now.”

No, I am not some macho ogre. It is just that I have spent a great deal of my
adult life in other cultures, and I read, so I know how anomalous feminism is
over the years around the world. The family is a very efficient social unit, and
societies that stressed this sufficiently have been the most successful over the
millennia. That a woman’s place was in the home was the centre-piece of
Confucian social thinking, and it has been central for all of the history of
Western religions. This whole “liberation” business is such a flash in the fire,
such a temporary aberration, because it is dependent upon endless cheap
energy and foreign peons supplying our materials. It can only last for a short
time, because it drives the rich and poor apart so fast that some form of de
facto feudalism will make a fast come-back. It is an ecologically catastrophic
fantasy brought to you by the Enlightenment, and all those American pundits
who do not know how long-dead all of that really is. This genderless world is
product of a political system based on the Greek philosophy, and its logical
outcome is Plato’s Republic, where the children do not know who their parents
are and everyone is controlled by the state.

Do not worry. Americans are not going to have to run and win elections based
on a platform of returning to patriarchy. That will never happen. America will
soon crash either its economy or its military or both, and a military protectorate
will be declared, by a Christian fundamentalist officer corps. Both China and
America will find that the easiest way to cut the demand for jobs in half is to
return to traditional values. It is the only logical way to drop back, cut demand
for energy, and spread the remaining wealth, and all the arguments and texts
and laws are just sitting there waiting. I am not talking about what I want to
happen, just what I see as highly probably given what has gone before. The
local Church kept asking me to fill in as minister, so I preached a sermon on
gender, and they have not asked me again. Just because nobody whats to hear
this does not make it false, or me a monster.

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By Frank, November 24 at 2:58 am Link to this comment
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What is wrong with dying in a revolution, or dying for freedom. That is not wrong at all. A revolutionary like Che Guevara, Simon Bolivar or Patrick Henry should be willing to die for their country, an ideology or any cause, that is honorable and makes us greater and stronger.

Read this patriotic socialism honor code i wrote:  The American Patriotic Honor should be based in that all US citizens who have committed themselves to defend the American Nation from the capitalists and Israel, should have these required traits: courage, bravery, and the physical muscular strength and that he is really devoted to defend the United States of America from the jewish-capitalists with his life, and never surrender the American Flag and the goal of socialism to which he swore.

By the way, watch this video by Tom Morello, a very motivational song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrBfPLUm5so&feature=player_embedded

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By William J. Kelleher, Ph.D., November 24, 2010 at 2:21 am Link to this comment

This sounds like despairing fatalism and surrender, to me.  Is this the best he can do at leading the charge of rebellion?!  Abandon organization!?

All he is doing is meeting his commitment to fill a column.

William J. Kelleher, Ph.D.
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By ChaviztaKing, November 24, 2010 at 1:53 am Link to this comment

i think that patriotism is main impediment toward socialism in America. because americans view free market as an american ideology and socialism as a russian ideology. (They view ideology in terms of nations and cultures)

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By ChaviztaKing, November 24, 2010 at 1:46 am Link to this comment

Inherit: I am sorry to tell you this evil painful truth. But the US founding Fathers were satanic killers. They killed 19 million american indians. In the “American Holocaust.  Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez and Saddam Hussein are saints, not dictators.  While US founding fathers and all US presidents are killers

Remember Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez Saddam Hussein and Mao are saints, real saints !!


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By archivesDave, November 24, 2010 at 1:36 am Link to this comment

Max Resonance:
“Otherwise we’re headed for a future in the hands of
large conglolmerates that are considered ‘too big to
allow to fail.’”
Max, grab another coffee, look around, the ‘FUTURE’ has
arrived…
Next stop, Twilight Zone.  Unfortunately tho, no
twilight, just NWO BS.

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By Anarcissie, November 24, 2010 at 1:07 am Link to this comment

gerard, November 24 at 5:21 am:

‘... I have no evidence to prove this, but I believe that a positive, intelligent and well-controlled movement may come of all the words, thoughts, and ideas stirring here and everywhere. ...’

On December 7th, a lot of people in Europe are going to try to withdraw their money from the banks to see if they can bring down the banking system.  (I can think of far more constructive things they might do, but no one cares what I think.)  In any case an unorganized mass has to use fairly crude instruments.  But as the Frenchman who started it has pointed out, the banks do not support the people, the people support the banks.  No more support, no more banks.  For ‘banks’ you can substitute ‘ruling class’ if you like.

Here in the United States, where December 7th is Pearl Harbor Day, we might take the day off to get together and discuss the sneak attack the banksters and their friends in government have done to our finances, our economic system and our Constitutional rights.  It’s a Tuesday; who wants to work on a Tuesday, anyway?  A one-day general strike in support of whatever happens in Europe could be fun.  Spread the word.

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By Psychobabbler, November 24, 2010 at 12:51 am Link to this comment

Regarding Male vs. Female traditional roles:

There is no doubt that females working more than ever in society is putting pressure on people.

I would be happy to have the traditional roles reversed completely.

I would be willing to be a house husband. I will feed the fish and try not to get fresh with the milk lady.

What we need now is the technology to change diapers hands free. Maybe NASA could take a break from searching for water on the moon and make themselves useful. Wouldn’t that be something?

Life is becoming increasingly difficult for terminally single people like myself. In fact, I think I am the only person in my work place who pays income tax. I promise that I will never resent families though (scouts honor)

Speaking of ladies:

Muchos kudos to Dr. Margaret Flowers.

Lady Doctors are the best Doctors because they have the best house parties!

I don’t know if that is true actually, but what I mean to say is that she understands her purpose.

Doctors have a responsibility to heal sick people.

Let me tell you what a Doctor says.

“45,000 people in America die because they are not insured? Disgusting! Pathetic! Unacceptable!”

Any Doctors who say otherwise are doctors like Dr. Drew is a Doctor.

“Dr. Drew will walk over 50 homeless people to get to Artie Langes bedside”

-Doug Stanhope

I forgive Mr. Stanhope for being a Libertarian because his stand up is awesome.

I forgive Mr. Freddy also because I know that he will never abandon all of the righteous Chickadees in New Jersey, because he is just a softy.

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By Joshua Watt, November 24, 2010 at 12:39 am Link to this comment
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Both the Democrats and Republicans are to blame for what has happened to this country.  They are sides of the same coin.  It’s disgusting to see people still trying to blame the democrats for everything, yet say nothing about the republicans.  Their comments clearly shows their agenda is one-sided and they pretty much missed one of the points of the article, which is that the polical system is broken and BOTH parties have sold out to Coorporations.

Those of you still being loyal to the Republicans at the expense of the country are part of the problem.  The Tea Partiers are a more extreme version of the Republican party, so they aren’t the solution either.

Real change needs to happen on ALL sides.  To blame one side only is to be in denial…

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By gerard, November 24, 2010 at 12:39 am Link to this comment

Another thought:  Perhaps the use of the word “rebellion” needs to be reconsidered.  The rebel is thought of as one brave enough to say “NO”.
But perhaps that is not enough; perhaps in these times more is expected—that is, courage enough to give birth to the creative ability and strength required to say NO to present abuses of power and at the same time say YES to the birth and nurturing of a new and better way of living together, giving birth to a more practical(because more inclusive and compassionate) society, a society that makes possible the growth of the human spirit rather than caging it in the confines of revenge, resentment, scarcity, greed, and regret.
  Once the value of such goals became widely apparent, they would be hard to resist, and practical ways to “institutionalize” them could be found.  There are already signs that such a reformation is possible, especially if the human spirit can learn to use technologies wisely instead of to permit their destructive domination.

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By gerard, November 24, 2010 at 12:21 am Link to this comment

Many comments here show clearly where many of us are at present.  Frustration.  Confusion. Anger. Uncertainty. Fear. Lack of confidence. Sympathy and understanding and compassion.  All signs of inteligence, and of eagerness to do the right thing (once we know what that is) in the right way (once we know what that way is).
  I have no evidence to prove this, but I believe that a positive, intelligent and well-controlled movement may come of all the words, thoughts, and ideas stirring here and everywhere.  Nobody knows when and how, but if we are smart the organization and focus will be headed away from destruction and we will not be stupid enough to fall into the hands of a leadership full of rage and a desire to “get even.”
  Talk is not an idle waste of time, but a gradual clarifier of thinking.  Organization for constructive action takes time and patience and wisdom.  When there is danger of making things worse, any intelligent person waits for an inner sense of surety rather than to form a mob and go off half cocked.  We have learned some things from our wars after all:  Violence breeds violence, and community is built by mutual care.
  Certainly words are very limited, but they have their power and usefulness. They can create or they can destroy—like every other aspect of human behavior.
  It seems to me that these times require us to create, not add to the destruction.

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By ChaviztaKing, November 24, 2010 at 12:10 am Link to this comment

If somebody asks you how do you want your children to be? tell them that you want them to be like Ernesto Che Guevara, not like Glenn Beck

Watch this video in honor of Che Guevara, of a song called “Comandate Che Guevara” by Silvio Rodriguez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCLXHdikqx8

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By Inherit The Wind, November 23, 2010 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

Nah, JD.  You just made me laugh. I extrapolated.

Chaveztaking:
You live in a crazy, upside down world where you think “Strong Men” (ie, war lords) are good and elected officials are evil.  If I have to choose between a George Washington/John Adams/Abraham Lincoln and a Mussolini/Castro/Hugo Chavez, I’m not picking the dictators!

You can pick them if you like, but I will always believe that a man who thinks there is NOTHING he can do that is wrong, is a man capable of any atrocity.  There is not one dictator with absolute power who didn’t indulge the most disgusting perversions, BECAUSE NOBODY COULD SAY NO!  Mao’s pension for pre-pubic or barely pubic girls.  Fidel’s pension for 2 women a day, always different and new.  Stalin’s pleasure in having people killed just because he thought they MIGHT imagine being a threat.  Saddam Hussein personally killing people for fun and raping their daughters—and his son torturing the soccer team so they’d fear losing.

THIS is what you want?  And by not wanting THAT I’m a “right-winger”?  That’s just nucking futz.

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By curmudgeon99, November 23, 2010 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment

elisalouisa,

You are dead on about many women have their happiness by raising their children from birth.  You can add study after study shows mother/child bonding and closeness is critical for normal development of the child esp. until ages 4 or 5.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, November 23, 2010 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment

Garth

You call on people to help the “90 odd progressives” in Congress. Have you even read Chris hedges piece at all?

Reality check. There are no “progressives” in Congress. They ALL fall in line behind the party leaders. This can be no more easily shown than on the issue of Single Payer. The “progressives” gave a bait and switch with HR676.

They all folded on it. Because the bosses told them to. Even Dennis Kucinich, who explained in detail why the Obama Bill was so bad. He even interjected an ammendment (the Kucinich ammendment) which would have al least “allowed” us the ‘right” to set up Single payer by each state, as we saw fit. That ammendment was defeated.

Then Kucinich “took an airplane ride on Airforce One” and in his words “took notes.” The very next day he decided to vote for the very Bill that he had explained in detail was “worse than no Bill at all.”

You talk of “taking ‘unspecified actions” and mention that I as a healer should understand about that being a bad idea.

You know what is bad? A bunch of Doctors sitting around disussing a problem while the pt dies right in front of them.

In this case the pt is our so called democracy itself. We sit around and talk, discuss while it hs died.

Entophy- I will check out your site. Can’t right now. I am at work (as a Nurse) on my coffee break.

I am very interested in talking to you. You get it. We can agree to disagree but we both understand that doing NOTHING but talking will get us….

NOTHING

In Solidarity and Loving Respect

Michael Cavlan RN
Minnesota

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By Frank, November 23, 2010 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment
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When you join the front line and get out from behind your desk then I may be encouraged to lend my voice and action Mr.Hedges.

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By ChaviztaKing, November 23, 2010 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

Inherit the wind: Super-patriotism blinds you so much.  I swear that Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong, Stalin and Hitler are saints compared with the US founding fathers and with all US presidents.  You said that the USA has been a real humanitarian peaceful government exporting peace and freedom to all humans.

But let me tell the truth about USA.  The USA has never been a republican social democracy, but a monster of death and blood against the people of this world, since 1776.  And the roots of the satanic evil of America began in 1607, when the British Colonizers came to the American continent.

So raising the Stalin card and Saddam Hussein card to silence and stiffle any prospect of a change is not right at all, because we need a strong man like Hugo Chavez.

And according to your view, an American Hugo Chavez nationalizing corporations and reforming the US constitution would be labeled as a “dictator”, the dictator card used by the ultra-right wing of the US government as a pretext to topple democratic presidents like Salvador Allende of Chile, and Manuel Zelaya of Honduras

And that’s the problem with your view, that you think that a strong man is evil. but how can a weak man save USA from corporate fascism?  We need a strong honest man, not a weak man.  Strength is good not evil.

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By gerard, November 23, 2010 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

Scratching the surface on community-based farms, as one example of many local “save the earth” efforts:
See: USDA National Agricultural Library Sustainability in Agriculture http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/csa/csa.shtml

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By savanna, November 23, 2010 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

The Code of Silence

  Dear Mr. Hedges:
  There is hardly a sentence in your article any thoughtful, observant person
could question. The same goes for many other of your articles I have read. It
seems you are not only a great writer and a righteous human being but also a
very compassionate
person. It seems that with your writing you really want to make a difference
and change our country for one “with liberty and justice for all” IT IS NOT.
    Is it your goal? Why haven’t you accomplished it for yourself, for us? Tell
me.   
  Why haven’t a few other American journalists who share your character,
values and convictions done it either? And since you know—and this article
leaves no doubt to that with your great writing you have not prompted any
CHANGE the country desperately needs WHY are you sticking to the same kind
of writing, just writing? Why don’t you change your writing format or content?
Perhaps by going further than you have gone so far?
    I have wished for a long time that you made your impressive verbal fight
more personal to “touch someone” until he bleeds to make him wake up and
regain his childhood or adolescent human feelings towards other human
beings he lost when he began accumulating millions after millions followed by
billions after billions.
    Why haven’t you gone on my hint to research and write about the Miami
Four Seasons Hotel Empiera infamous racketeering, a fraud, an investors
ripoff of major proportions ? Why haven’t you written an article about it even
though you have known well how to easily research the topic; by reading on
government internet sites rich documentation of the three lawsuits filed by the
victims in the Miami court and the Federal Court (Racketeering)? Why haven’t
you done anything for justice in this case?
    Will you ever publish an article on this in Truthdig ?
    Oh, yes, for a long time I had known before painfully experiencing that:
“Money likes silence. Big money likes absolute silence” is the
golden rule of all the powerful who have something to hide. I have known
for years that the media owned by the rich are the code of silence best
keepers and guardians. While the premeditated Miami Four Seasons Hotel
fraud has been some ten years old (born in the hotel planning stages) NO
AMERICAN WELL KNOWN MEDIA OUTLET APPROACHED BY EITHER MYSELF OR
CO-VICTIMS WANTED TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. AND WE HAVE
APPROACHED (USUALLY 3-5 TIMES EACH!): “THE NEW YORK TIMES”,
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL”, CNN, ABC, NBC, CHANNEL 5, THE MIAMI HERALD
AND MANY MORE.
    Maybe you will tell me WHY. Out of fear? If so, true or imagined fear?
And why have you been ignoring a truly fascinating if frightening story.
Because it is not just a story about some victims, some nobodies. 
    The defendants are a dozen or so powerful SHARKS who have  substantial?
interest in The Miami Four Seasons Hotel, incl. Isadore Sharp, the Four
Seasons?International Empire founder; Chris Jeffries, the founder?and owner of
Millennium Partners, the developer, George Soros and Goldman Sachs
Whitehall Fund as investors in Millennium Partners. And last but not least,?the
two newcomers Bill Gates and The Prince Alaweed Bin Talal of Saudi Arabia
who became co-owners of the Four Seasons Hotel International Empire in
2007 paying in excess of 3.8 billion dollars to make the company private. The
pair owns 95% of this now private corporation.?  Why no magazine has ever
aimed at tripling its circulation by announcing on the?cover its leading story:
“Bill Gates—a defendant”?
    Why “Truthdig” which claims to be different has not done it either?
    Maybe that’s what the passivemajority needs to wake up: The full TRUTH.
    DIG IT UP. EXPOSE IT!!!

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By savanna, November 23, 2010 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment

THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBER AND ACTION.
WORDS BY THEMSELVES ARE NOT ENOUGH
  I am linking with the guy who is saying that top intellectuals could help save
America.
  I generally agree. However, I say basically the same with “most of us” instead
of “we”,because I certainly don’t count myself in the category of the weak,
cowardly, lazy, stupid and corrupt. Which…changes nothing because “there is
strength in number” and the few, very few indeed, brave enough and wise
enough willing to change our country failed over and over again. The
opportunity of seeing here likeminded people (I could link to many other
bloggers here) is… well, nice but all it does it makes one postpone another
drink to kill the despair, that’s all. Let’s take you and the other bloggers saying
‘the right things” here, stressing “it should”, “it must”, “it’s necessary”. Yeah, IT
IS. But for God’s sake: SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT.
   
    WHY NOT YOU?
WHY DON’T YOU SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT WORDS WITH SOME ACTION?
Is verbalizing here your idea for CHANGING OUR AMERICA enough for you?
Don’t you know that too few people will ever come across your idea here for it
to make a difference?
Finally don’t your realize that our “best and brightest” had figured the idea out
long before you did?
Yes, they have reservations (remembering some well known failures of top
scientists petitions) and
doubts but also trust in the power of their names, their authority.
    But—and we see it all the time—the “best and brightest” are no angels,
not the likes of Mother Theresa. They are humans with many of our weaknesses
and vices. And for the most part: they do not believe that it is worth putting a
lot of THEIR effort in an endeavor which will work for a short time.
And (and I had spoken to 10 Nobelists about it) they HATE to engage in
anything they think will fail. 
   
    WE MUST PUT THIS EFFORT OURSELVES. First: DIG OUT ALL THE STINKING
TRUTH ON THE CORRUPTION AT THE TOP TO CONVINCE “the best and
brightest in our country” THAT N O T TAKING PART IN OUR FIGHT FOR FAIR,
JUST AMERICA WOULD BRING THEM SHAME !!! Secondly: We must prepare all
potentially effective forms of protest and THEN, ONLY THEN ask “the best and
brightest”  to sign, participate in etc. They MUST believe that whatever they will
support with their name,
their authority will win !
    Needless to say individual “ best and brightest” may be very different. They
have to be approached with caution and plan. Success will be a matter of a
number of different letters: very different or slightly
different. A rock scientist may be made to act by a different argument that a
painter or writer would.

    The last but not least; the society must be prepared for the above
described action. It is not. The majority has no idea what is going on. Not
really. Not to the point of making one’s fury explode and catapult him or her to
action. The American media code of silence does a good job for the masters of
our lives. All top intellectuals are believers in math, the strength of big
numbers.
      It would take thorough , wide spread educational efforts of many
educators—activists (not necessarily with scientific degrees) to educate the
American people. By all means. And “It would take a village”?—Naturally. And
if you REALLY want to act—you, and we, will understand “the village” literally
and start acting locally. Otherwise we/ll continue to be what we have been for a
long time: cannon meat (to use a well known European expression for the
simultaneously suppressed and stupid).

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By elisalouisa, November 23, 2010 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

The concept of the Feminist Movement is dynamite, politically and otherwise, at times used not so much for the advancement of women but for personal gain and political maneuvering. You are correct David J. Cyr that some women must work at 3 jobs to accumulate half a living wage. There is the “working” woman and the “career woman.” It is my belief that the feminist movement favors the career woman when in fact it is the working woman who needs the movement.

Your attitude is not so unusual Gulam, it’s just that you are more open about it. That being said, one cannot “carry on with traditional ways” Gulam when change in the role of women was/is inevitable and also hastened by WWII and other factors. Rosie the Riveter was not going back in the kitchen and rightfully so.  At the same time, I wonder if women have really progressed. It has been my observation that true joy for a good percentage of women comes from their off-spring; children and grandchildren. Admittedly I say this in hindsight which is a good place to reach a conclusion; all the facts are in. Healthy offspring are more likely when women are young, in their twenties let’s say, thus avoiding the problems that women in their forties face with pregnancy and childbearing. Yet, this fact is never mentioned in the decision making of a career because of the politically correct mumbo jumbo that the feminist movement espouses, namely, that a career is what makes women really happy, not really said of course but implied. Most women derive much satisfaction from seeing their names on a check they’ve earned and deservedly so. This perk is not included if you are a stay-at-home mom. Again, money talks and the role of nurturing and caring for loved ones is not a monetarily recognized, even though such women may in the long run be contributing more to our society.The yardstick is skewed. Now, if some are in that small percentage of women who do not wish to become mothers, society would be better served if women so inclined kept her eye on a career that brings satisfaction. Some can successfully manage to wear both hats, especially with a supportive spouse.

I also agree with much of JDmysticDJ November 23 ll:50 post. Your ” . . .Tiny Act of Rebellion” is right on and in fact led to a “tiny rebellion” of my
own in posting my views.

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By JDmysticDJ, November 23, 2010 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

garth

In all sincerity, and with no sarcasm or satire, I can only say, Preach Bro, Preach!

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By JDmysticDJ, November 23, 2010 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

garth

In all sincerity, and with no sarcasm or satire, I can only say, Preach Bro, Preach!

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By JDmysticDJ, November 23, 2010 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind

Knowing you as I do, I recognize the consequences of disagreeing with you, but I can handle it.

I’m wondering how you came to your conclusions about Gulam. Gulam’s analysis may not be popular, and that analysis may be contrary to conventional wisdom, but I don’t believe the conclusions you came to regarding his personal life and character can be deduced from his post.

I’ll suggest that the data shows decay in the social fabric of western society, and that this decay has been most noticeable over the last 50 years or so. I don’t believe the cause of this decay can be rationally attributed to any one social construct, but that the demographics Gulam cites are backed up by data.

I don’t believe that quantifying Gulam’s affection and respect for women, or that quantifying the affection and respect men have for women in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. can be deduced, based on the evidence at hand. Respect is, after all, a subjective. I personally am fond of Reese Whitherspoon’s character in the movie “Legally Blond.” I have a kind of affection and respect for the character portrayed by Reese Whitherspoon in that movie. Could it be that I don’t find this character threatening? In my case, I believe that this character would be lethally blonde. Anyway, I’ll confess to having less affection and respect for other female characters from other movies, like I said it’s subjective. I’ll suppose that many of us have violated cultural and societal taboos, and that there is a stigma associated with violating taboos. Whether those stigmas are warranted is also subjective.

That being said, I believe that in truly free societies, individual rights and liberties must be guaranteed, and that certain societies are generally more repressive than others, according to my subjective standards.

I fear that I’ve opened myself up for much criticism; consider it a “…Tiny Act of Rebellion.”

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