11:42 Question From Guest
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:42:03 GMT
Comment: Bob: Again, big fan from “With Enough Shovels” days. What does it say about Obama that he appoints Liz Fowler to be administering his health care program. I think he’s actually working hard to be a one-term president.
(That’s the last question for Bob, but stick around if you have more to say.)
11:44 Comment From Guest
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:44:09 GMT
Comment: Politico commentary today included that Obama has failed to mesh with D.C. politics—much like Jimmy Carter. I find this analysis less than rigorous. Carter entered office as an anti-politician; Obama entered office as a politician claiming to change the status quo.
11:44 Comment From Richard Nixon
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:44:22 GMT
Comment: I agree with Turd Furgeson that most people don’t know what they’re doing when they vote, especially young people. I think many people thought they were doing the right thing voting for Obama in ’08, because of his speeches and his media image, but the real truth is he got paid more by corporations and won.
U got $10 billion, u can either give it to 2.5 million people who are unemployed as unemployment, or you can turn it into 100,000 jobs...
11:50 Robert Scheer
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:50:56 GMT
(To Guest) I think Obama is falling into the trap that Jimmy Carter fell into, that destroyed him. Both were elected because they seemed to have a populace instinct, they were for the little guy and could feel his pain, and then when they get in, they turn to the big shots that have ignored the little guy to run their government. And it speaks to a basic insecurity of their own values. I cannot understand why Obama, who in Copper Union, ’08, blasted the radical deregulation of the Clinton era, has not been able to reverse that. I don’t understand why Obama, who talked about the suffering of people, has cared more, like the Republicans, about Wall Street than Main Street. There only was second term through opportunism, and they don’t and we’re not in a situation where we can budget. They are hurting people, 3/4ths of Americans want to replace people who speak for them. They don’t trust anyone. We can all talk about the stock market, how it went up or down, but if you take people like Paul Krugman, they are warning about a great depression, they know real income has not improved in a decade, a country talking about life getting better and the Wall Street Journal… Market Watch recently had a good report (which we linked to on Truthdig) which said real wage is not just about this recession, it was happening from Clinton on. We have had growing wealth of the upper 1 percent mostly, a little more for the upper 10 percent, but the rest of the population haven’t been doing well and not, because of the recession aren’t doing well. And the idiocy of not being able to extend unemployment benefits, which is you get the best bang for your buck if you give it to somebody who is out of work, they’re going to spend it to create jobs for other people and instead we give it to Wall Street, who do nothing for the people. We focused on the stimulus program, the bailouts, and so forth but no attention has been paid to the biggest give by Obama, 1.25 trillion dollars of toxic, mostly bad mortgage packages that the Fed, using public funds and public obligation, bought. And the Fed is not holding responsibility for what the banks packaged, sold, knew that they were crummy, would melt and explode, were toxic, but they’re not holding it, that was taken off their books by the Feds. When you look at what they have done to create jobs is basically feather their own nest.
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11:51 Comment From John Simms
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:51:53 GMT
Comment: Ryan Blatz spoke of returning humanitarian values to the top of the messaging of the Democratic Party. My belief is that part of what is keeping us from doing this (as Progressives and Liberals) is moral relativism; we tend to be tolerant of intolerance. Is our solution to call hate “hate” when appropriate?
11:52 Comment From Richard Nixon
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:52:14 GMT
Comment: Kenneth Jones is mad his Republican team isn’t in office because it would be the same results.
11:52 Comment From WSmart
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:52:17 GMT
Comment: You can’t have your cake and eat it too, Robert. Obama is supporting mulch-nationals or he isn’t. The mule-nationals are moving jobs overseas. And yes, India and China are fine examples of dirt cheap labor and human rights—what’s that?
11:52 Comment From Kawika
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:52:22 GMT
Comment: Mr. Nixon and Furgeson, it’s a dangerous path; the contemplation of removing citizens’ right to vote because of one person’s view of the correct political path.
11:52 Comment From Turd Furgeson
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:52:25 GMT
Comment: Many thanks, Bob.
11:52 Comment From Richard Nixon
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:52:33 GMT
Comment: Are there any 3rd party candidates you have gotten behind in the past or would get behind in the future? What is your take on Nader?
11:52 Comment From WSmart
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:52:37 GMT
Comment: Not unless it involves getting Nader into the debates in 2012. The duopoly likes free money. Be real, be sober.
11:52 Comment From mtk
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:52:40 GMT
Comment: Is there likely to be greater oversight of the banks? Does the Obama Plan establish new or strengthen existing oversight of banks’ practices? Does it for example take into consideration the moral outrage of the public at the derivatives market scandal of AIG? Does it respond to public distaste for the liberation of the banks resulting from leaving Glass-Steagall restrictions in any punitive way?
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11:54 Comment From Turd Furgeson
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:54:31 GMT
Comment: Kawika—I would change nothing about an individual’s right to vote. But I would attempt to dissuade anyone from voting when they know nothing about the politicians up for elections, or politics in general.
11:59 Comment From WSmart
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:59:14 GMT
Comment: In today’s culture, if you don’t vote, you don’t exist, and it doesn’t surprise me that we have small-minded people dissuading others from existing. Live responsibly and please don’t drink and breathe.
11:59 Comment From Turd Furgeson
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:59:41 GMT
Comment: Generally speaking, when one knows nothing about the politicians in an elections, they simply go along with who they perceive to be the most popular campaign. Or they will simply go along with what their peers are doing, without any thought.
12:01 Comment From Turd Furgeson
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:01:41 GMT
Comment: Instead of corporations simply telling people to vote, wouldn’t you rather see them telling people to get educated on the most important political topics or that time, or on the politicians they’re being pressured into mindlessly voting for?
12:15 Comment From WSmart
Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:15:45 GMT
Comment: If you don’t vote, you don’t exist, and if you vote for the two-party system, you also pretty much don’t exist because both parties have the same policies. That’s like voting but at the same time you didn’t vote, having your cake and eating it too (We tried! We tried so hard! God knows we tried!). And what’s worse than having Palin as president or losing the election? Ask Michael Moore.