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Posted on Jun 13, 2010
Ari Mintz

By Chris Hedges

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It is only when artists control their own work that great socially relevant theater can be sustained. The funding for this kind of work will never come out of the world of corporate sponsorships. Corporations see theater and the arts as a diversion. Great theater will never find support among liberal institutions that have become tools, as “The Cradle Will Rock” pointed out, of the power elite.

“The theater needs to be funded with public money, as it was in Athens, where it began, and where all citizens were required to attend the dramatic festival, because the theater is, when it functions, a corrective against the excesses of empire,” Malpede says. “As such it remains necessary to the functioning of a democratic state and though it might make the functionaries of such a state uncomfortable, it will and must be a beacon of truth. At its best, such a theater provides the experience of heightened feeling, heightened aliveness, heightened awareness of self and other. It makes us more human and humane, and, therefore, more able to take action in the world.”

Editor’s note: To see video clips from “Prophecy” and interviews with Karen Malpede and others associated with the play, click here.

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By elisalouisa, June 30, 2010 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

So you may be back in time for the elections ofersince72. In California Jerry Brown is leading Meg Whitman 45 to 39 percent and Barbara Boxer is winning over Fiorina. from San Diego The CW.
Ardee you do make a difference.

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By ofersince72, June 30, 2010 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

There won’t be any plays on broadway to enjoy unless
we get with the program right away….......

Don’t even worry about these silly, silly elections
coming up in November….......

Cris, get your friends in the media to unite these
people here in this country for one common cause…....
their survival…........................................

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By ofersince72, June 30, 2010 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

Cris Hedges, this isn’t a matter of tea baggers vs
whatever it is, progessives, or liberal vs conservative
or democrat vs republican….It is a matter of survival.
Use your influence to bring the end to this nonsense
of divide and conquer.  We are not a racist nation even
if their is some latent racism still lingering around.

  It would take a completly bling person not to see
the dire position that not only our nation is in, but
all of our brothers and sisters all around the world are
in….....................................................

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By ofersince72, June 30, 2010 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

As I promised, these are my last postings for at least
three months or forever, don’t know.  Hedges, I hope you
quit covering abstracts for a while. Your readers would
follow you into hell and it is my belief that you have
somewhat been taking advantage of this. Because, we need
some leaders (what is just what good journalists are) to
give some guideness for some direct action right now, our
nation is floundering worse than ever in your or my life
time. This is going to require some immense struggle,
and sacrifice to peacefully pry the grip from the throat
that the Military Industrial Complex and their Wall Street
friends have around America.
  Most on here understand that stopping this nation’s
agressive policies will result in massive unemployment.
We might as well empty out the prisons at the same time.
This transformation of the economy will require much
sharing, unselfishness, active communities that will have
to make it without much government assistance. We have to
do this, it is going to be forced upon us anyway. It will
require taking people in if you have room,growing food and
basic survival while we transform our economy to one that
is sustainable that rebuilds business that is good for
society. We do not have time to talk abstracts, that should wait.
  We have two choices,  attack Iran, Syria, Lebanon, which
in turn will bring the whole world into war that no one
will win.  It will also be an ecological disaster and
we probably are already passed the point of no return so
why press it.
  Or we, as a nation, can realize that shutting down the
MIC is going to cause over fifty percent unemployment,
smile at the challenge, welcome it, and show how tough we
are, and how well we can work together turning this around
We will spit at the MSMs and make them help us..
We need you Cris Hedges, help us.

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By christian96, June 30, 2010 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

MarthaA—-It was the Catholic Church under Constatine
at the Council of Nicea that changed the Christian
Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday(worship of the sun).
The Catholic Church changed the dietary laws. The
Catholic Church added “Easter” in place of Passover.
There is only one place in the Bible where Easter
is used and the word was wrongly translated.  It
should have been translated Passover.  The Catholic
Church added Christmas.  No where in the Bible are
we instructed to worship “birthdays.”  That is a
man made tradition.  If anything Christians should
be worshipping death.  Ecc. 7:1 reads, “The day of
a person’s death is better than the day of their
birth.”  After Martin Luther’s reformation he
continued to follow the changes that had been made
by the Catholic Church and most Protestant Churches
still follow them today. Martin Luther was a big-time Jew hater.  Jesus and his Apostles celebrated the Sabbath on Saturday.  They kept the dietary
laws and Jewish Festivals.  The original Sabbath
began at sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday.  What do extant Christians do on Friday
night and Saturday?  BALL GAMES!  Each school system throughout America endorses some kind of game.  While watching the “games” they eat ham sandwiches, pizza convered with pepperroni and sausage, etc.
The “pig” is considered an unclean meat in the Book of Leviticus.  It is a scavenger.  It was put on earth to eat dead meat.  The time of a true reformation is coming soon.  Christians will realize they have been mislead for years by their Shepherds.  Before Jesus returns true Christians
will once again think and act as Jesus did.  They
will keep Saturday as the Sabbath.  They will keep the dietary laws and Jewish festivals.

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By ofersince72, June 29, 2010 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

Jimmy Carter had put the screws to the air traffic
controllers union before Reagon took office….....
Reagon had promised the union that he was a union man
(head of screen actors guild) and would back them.
He betrayed them,  they thought they would make good
his campaign promise he had made to them.

Before Katrina Van Havel became editor of The Nation
Mag…..it wasn’t the Democrat Apologist Mag that it is
now….....
I am sure if you would go to the Nation Institute
they would have much info on this subject, I have
forgotten, don’t care to research it because labor has
lost in this country, years ago….us baby boomers screwed
labor real good…....us self-rightous baby boomers….

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By ofersince72, June 29, 2010 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment

The “progressives” like to pass their own version of
revisionist history…...........including Stone at times.

1959??????????????????????

However, I will go, as I promised tonight, and you all
can fudge history all you care…....You are only
fooling yourselves…....................................
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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By ofersince72, June 29, 2010 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

A COLLECTIVE SHOT   jaime suarez quemain

In my country sir,
men carry a padlock
on their mouths,
only when alone do they meditate,
shout and protest
because fear, sir,
is the gag
and the subtle padlock you countrol.
In my country, sir,
(I say mine because I want it to be mine)
even on the fence posts
you can see the longing
...they divide it, they rent it, they mortagage it,
they torture it, they kill it, they imprison it,
the newspapers declare there is tota freedom, but
it’s only in the saying, sir, you know what I mean.
And it’s my country.
with is streets, its shadows, its volcanos
its high rises-dens of thieves-
whose childreen succeeded in escaping Malthus,
it’s my country, with its poets, its dreams and its roses
And my country, sir,
is nearly a cadaver, a solitary phantom of the night,
and it agonizes,
and you, sir,
so impassive.

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By MarthaA, June 29, 2010 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, June 19 at 1:06 am,

Conservatives blaming the horrible ugliness of Conservatism off on others who are not conservatives does not address the horrible ugliness of Conservatism as practiced by conservatives. 

Framing the perpetrator as the victim is a Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST tactic that by now is a daisy that has lost its petals and whose seed bears sophism, propaganda and false rhetoric.

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By MarthaA, June 29, 2010 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment

christian96, June 19 at 2:33 am,

Sometimes I feel like commenting and sometimes I don’t.  I really do not feel like real Christians following peace would be pushing a theater of war at all.  It was the theater of war that eliminated all of the original Christians.  Until Christians see the crippled walking, the blind seeing and the deaf hearing, Christianity has not arrived, because people would be healed just from the shadow of Peter when he walked by.

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By MarthaA, June 29, 2010 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

Tobysgirl, June 19 at 5:11 pm,

The Christian name was first used at Antioch [Turkey].

“Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus for to seek Saul:  And when he had found him he brought him unto Antioch.  And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people.  And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”—Acts 11:25-26

“Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.  And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.  And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.” —Acts 12:1-3

Herod chained and guarded Peter but was unable to hold him, as is recorded in the rest of Acts 12.

A time-line of the Roman empire http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/romans.html

King Herod Agrippa I (Born 10 BC Died 44 AD) Ruled the Roman Empire from 37 BC to 44 AD. James was also a brother of Jesus and one of Jesus’ 12 disciples that King Herod Agrippa killed:
http://www.essortment.com/all/herodthegreat_rnnp.htm
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Herod_Agrippa_I
http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/4412.htm

Emperor Nero - (Born 12/15/37 - Died 6/9/68) Ruled the Roman Empire from 54 AD until 68 AD and is thought to be the emperor that killed the Apostle Simon Peter (1BC – 67 AD) one of the original 12 disciples of Jesus.  After all apostles were murdered, the church made a metamorphosis into Latin Catholicism in Rome, and have been there ever since. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter

Emperor Constantine I (Born 2/27/272 - Died 5/22/337) Ruled the Roman Empire from 311 AD until 337 AD.  In the year 313 he proclaimed that Christians would no longer be killed. 

http://dlibrary.acu.edu.au/research/theology/ejournal/aejt_6/elmer.htm

IMHO the original “no condemnation” Christian church died after Jesus’ apostles and the Antioch Christians were murdered before the advent of the Condemnation Catholic Church and the 1097 Crusader Condemnation.

The word catholic comes from the Greek word Katholikos, meaning “universal.” It was first used by Ignatius of Antioch (d. about AD 107) to distinguish the entire body of Christians from individual congregations. Subsequently, the word distinguished true believers from false believers. After the break (1054) between the Western church and the Eastern church, it was used to identify the Western church; the Eastern church was called orthodox. At the time of the reformation in the 16th century, the Church of Rome claimed the word catholic as its title over the Protestant or Reformed churches. In England, catholic was retained to describe the reformed, national church, although a distinction was made between “Roman” Catholics and members of the Church of England. The term Anglo-Catholic was coined at the time of the Oxford Movement in the 19th century. In popular usage, Catholic commonly designates a Christian affiliated with the Church of Rome.

Of major importance in the ancient world, Antioch was established as the western capital of the Seleucid kingdom in 300 BC by Seleucus I Nicator, who named it in memory of his father, Antiochus. Colonists were brought in from Athens and Macedonia, and the city remained the Seleucid capital until 64 BC, when it was taken over by the Romans. Eventually it became the third-largest city in the Roman Empire (after Rome and Alexandria). One of the earliest centers of Christianity, Antioch was the site of Saint Paul’s first mission to the Gentiles; Saint Peter also preached there. The city was destroyed by earthquakes in AD 526 and 528. In 1517 it was taken by Selim I for the Ottoman Empire.
http://philologos.org/bpr/files/a015.htm

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By MarthaA, June 29, 2010 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

Tobysgirl, June 19 at 5:11 pm,

The Christian name was first used at Antioch [Turkey].

“Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus for to seek Saul:  And when he had found him he brought him unto Antioch.  And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people.  And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”—Acts 11:25-26

“Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.  And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.  And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.” —Acts 12:1-3

Herod chained and guarded Peter but was unable to hold him, as is recorded in the rest of Acts 12.

A time-line of the Roman empire http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/romans.html

King Herod Agrippa I (Born 10 BC Died 44 AD) Ruled the Roman Empire from 37 BC to 44 AD. James was also a brother of Jesus and one of Jesus’ 12 disciples that King Herod Agrippa killed:
http://www.essortment.com/all/herodthegreat_rnnp.htm
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Herod_Agrippa_I
http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/4412.htm

Emperor Nero - (Born 12/15/37 - Died 6/9/68) Ruled the Roman Empire from 54 AD until 68 AD and is thought to be the emperor that killed the Apostle Simon Peter (1BC – 67 AD) one of the original 12 disciples of Jesus.  After all apostles were murdered, the church made a metamorphosis into Latin Catholicism in Rome, and have been there ever since. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter

Emperor Constantine I (Born 2/27/272 - Died 5/22/337) Ruled the Roman Empire from 311 AD until 337 AD.  In the year 313 he proclaimed that Christians would no longer be killed. 

http://dlibrary.acu.edu.au/research/theology/ejournal/aejt_6/elmer.htm

IMHO the original “no condemnation” Christian church died after Jesus’ apostles and the Antioch Christians were murdered before the advent of the Condemnation Catholic Church and the 1097 Crusader Condemnation; but will be revived before Jesus returns for his church.

The word catholic comes from the Greek word Katholikos, meaning “universal.” It was first used by Ignatius of Antioch (d. about AD 107) to distinguish the entire body of Christians from individual congregations. Subsequently, the word distinguished true believers from false believers. After the break (1054) between the Western church and the Eastern church, it was used to identify the Western church; the Eastern church was called orthodox. At the time of the reformation in the 16th century, the Church of Rome claimed the word catholic as its title over the Protestant or Reformed churches. In England, catholic was retained to describe the reformed, national church, although a distinction was made between “Roman” Catholics and members of the Church of England. The term Anglo-Catholic was coined at the time of the Oxford Movement in the 19th century. In popular usage, Catholic commonly designates a Christian affiliated with the Church of Rome.

Of major importance in the ancient world, Antioch was established as the western capital of the Seleucid kingdom in 300 BC by Seleucus I Nicator, who named it in memory of his father, Antiochus. Colonists were brought in from Athens and Macedonia, and the city remained the Seleucid capital until 64 BC, when it was taken over by the Romans. Eventually it became the third-largest city in the Roman Empire (after Rome and Alexandria). One of the earliest centers of Christianity, Antioch was the site of Saint Paul’s first mission to the Gentiles; Saint Peter also preached there. The city was destroyed by earthquakes in AD 526 and 528. In 1517 it was taken by Selim I for the Ottoman Empire.
http://philologos.org/bpr/files/a015.htm

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By ThomasG, June 28, 2010 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, June 17 at 3:46 pm, ThomasG, June 17 at 3:23 pm, Go Right Young Man, June 17 at 1:52 pm, Go Right Young Man, June 17 at 12:30 pm,

Distraction by disingenuous pedantic parsing did not secure Adolph Hitler against Allied destruction of his Third Reich, and distraction by disingenuous pedantic parsing will not act as a shield for the Christian Fascist Movement and the Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Republican Movement.

“Behavior of purpose” has a price, and Adolph Hitler and his Third Reich paid that price; and, the “behavior of purpose” of the Christian Fascist Movement and the Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Movement also has a price yet to be paid.

There is no denying the “behavior of purpose”, it is cumulative and no amount of distraction by disingenuous pedantic parsing will diminish its cumulative effect.

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By elisalouisa, June 20, 2010 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

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By christian96, June 20, 2010 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind—-I agree with your assessment in
relation to Ronald Reagan firing the air traffic
controllers.  It did make flying much more dangerous.
I can’t recall much about Reagan.  I remember his
attempting to manipulate Americans with his hollywood
smile.  He would have made a good used car salesman.
He would tell you anything and then smile about it.
I was listening to an intelligent minister today
talking about Germany.  He said, “Germany started
WW1, WW11 and will start WW111.  He appears to get
a lot of his information from “Stratfor Global
Intelligence.”  I just looked it up on the internet.
It is based in Austin, Texas.  I wonder “why” Austin,
Texas?  Bush’s country!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 20, 2010 at 6:10 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, June 17 at 9:01 pm #

Night-Gaunt,

I have a problem with all those who make the Air Controller strike into an altruistic issue.  An issue about Good and Evil.

The strike began and ended over a $10,000 annual raise while the entire nation was hurting deeply.  The strike itself, over an issue of money, regardless of being deserved, put public safety at tremendous risk.

After months of negotiations the FAA agreed to everything PATCO was seeking less the $700 Million annual raise that was still being negotiated.  It’s a fact that cannot be changed.

The union and it’s members believed they had the public, not Ronald Reagan, over a barrel.  It was against their own written mandate, against federal statute and not, in any way, “Good Faith”.  Making that into an altruistic cause, I believe, is deeply flawed and tremendously self-serving.

Plain and simple. The union and it’s members gambled for money and lost.  Rightly so after breaking the law and putting themselves over the safety of hundreds of thousands of people.
********************************************

Typical Reaganite mis-construction. Here’s a translation:
“Those evil, greedy air traffic controllers were SO brazen as to demand that they be allowed to work reasonable hours with sufficient numbers of colleagues rather than be overworked and overstressed making snap decisions that could cause planes full of passengers to crash.  They unreasonably wanted a fair, long-overdue pay increase for keeping America’s skies safe.  What a bunch of scumbags!”

In fact, the firing of PATCO workers seriously decreased the safety of American skies.  There were far more close calls in the aftermath AND a new level of delay entered the world of air travel. 

At the time, the ONLY way to even begin to approximate the safety was to reduce the number of flights in the air….About the only good that came from this was that passengers began taking AmTrak between NYC and Washington, DC as both the cost and total travel time became competitive.

  We now FULLY expect even the most routine flights to have ridiculous delays—and this was even BEFORE 9/11 added the layer of security of seizing nail clippers and key-chain screw-drivers.

Now GRYM will claim this is all liberal lies and fantasies and demand support that he won’t himself provide, but anyone who was an adult in 1981 (and after) and did even a mild amount of flying will remember vividly.

To which GRYM will give us his equivalent of my favorite Chico Marx line: “Who you gonna believe: Me or your own eyes?”

My memory may not be photographic, but I DO remember the vast delays and close calls that came to American skies following Reagan’s firing of PATCO.  That was typical of RR: Shoot from the hip and take vast chances with American safety.  We are STILL struggling with the aftermath of his “experiments”, which destroyed our manufacturing base (Tax incentives for moving production off-shore), de-regulation, tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, shutting down the EPA’s effectiveness, and giving us Antonin Scalia, a fifth columnist if there ever was one!

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By Tobysgirl, June 19, 2010 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, I think one needs to be very careful, no matter whom one is, speaking about God’s will. I heard people who had strenuously objected to George W. Bush’s sense of himself as anointed by God, then saying the same thing about Obama after he was elected.

That said, I am sympathetic to your comments. One must remember that Yeshua bar Yosef did not found Christianity; that act was undertaken by the Emperor Constantine for political purposes, and some suggest Christianity would be more accurately called Constantinity. I have found little interest, particularly among Christians, in Jesus’ teachings. Look what he said about praying in public! Look what he said about those who proselytize! He was not some mild-mannered wimp, and it doesn’t take a theologian to understand what he was saying.

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By christian96, June 18, 2010 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA—-What did you ingest?  I’ve never seen you
make so many comments.  I read your reference to the
article concerning the suicides of the Israeli
Psychiatrists.  I didn’t hold the high profile cases
they did but my last job as School Psychologist in
Ohio contained much stress.  I was the only Psychologist for 2500 students.  I am a perfectionist
and was spread to thin to feel as if I was giving
children quality time to help them.  The stress
didn’t bother me very much mentally but it recked
havoc on my physical health.  I finally had to go on
disability in an attempt to save my life.  It did.
I’m much more easy going now.  I read the comments
following the article.  Sadly, the spirit of Nazism
is alive and kicking in the world.  I guess it is just a lack of intelligence when people don’t realize
that all Jews are not to be blamed for what a few
Jews do.  I attended a Democratic Party rally two
nights ago for a local lady running for congress.
It was kind of sad as the audience groped for solutions to the many problems facing our country.
I spoke with the candidate and shared some ideas for
improving education.  She liked my ideas and wants
me to send them to her in writing.  I live in the
part of Florida where Repuplicans vastly dominate
the political scene.  I always enjoyed fighting for
the underdog.  We’ll see what happens.  Take care.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 18, 2010 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

Martha, “You are trying to blame me for the horrible ugliness of Conservatism”

_

Would you say that you fit the following description?

Bigot: “stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed,  belief,  or opinion that differs from one’s own.”

I sincerely wish to know.  How did you come about your dogmatic intolerance?  It’s rare to come across such open and unapologetic bigot.

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By ofersince72, June 18, 2010 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

REQUIEM FOR THE SUMPUL   merces durand

You gnaw at your silence
abbreviation the thirst of the zanates
while the ceibos shad your banks
and the overhang plays at painting your pebbled shadows..
River Sumpul
Do you remember the many times we cleansed our sins
and kissed your shore when we were children?
But now your waters are different.
Your bed harbors skull,
femurs,
skeletons,
the buzzards dig mountains of rotting flesh
and flocks of vultures gorge on intestines…

You never wanted it,
You never expected it,
You were friend to shepherds and children,
You carried
stars,
stones,
casks,
and on that gruesome day
women’s heads fell on your breast,
mangled men thundered in your waves,
and massacred children rolled in your bed!
Those were six hundred lives you shrouded,
Those were six hundred sould you devoured,
Those were six hundred dead worth a day’s labor,
Those were six hundred decent people dying in your waters.

That night,
River Sumpl,
suffering river,
river of graves,
river of prophesy,
witness river,
border river
a chorus of mockingbirds improvised a response
and Cipitin.

incredulous,
disturbed the ashes
of his ancient sarcophagus,
suddenly went mad
and wept for seven nights
for those artful deaths.
Since that day
sand ghosts tell
of prayers and psalms in you riverbed
and you conjugate the verbs of execuction and hate…

And you,
River Sumpul,
your sound is ow silenced,
your course a requiem
painful and austere
winding in anger
with impatient leaps,
in fierce waves,
in overflowing promises,
in torrents of blood…..

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By MarthaA, June 18, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

By omop, June 17 at 11:35 am,

Very interesting. I will repost.

Defense Minister’s Analyst Overdoses on Valium - Wave of “Shrinkicides” Feared

by Michael K. Smith for Legalienation News Bureau

Just one week after Benjamin Netanyahu’s psychiatrist Moshe Yatom killed himself in despair over his failure to develop an effective treatment for the Prime Minister, a second psychiatrist suicide has left Israel reeling.

Yigal Peleg, 61, a colleague of Yatom’s who had been treating Defense Minister Ehud Barak for Security Addiction Disorder (SAD), was found dead at his home in Tel Aviv Monday evening from an overdose of Valium. A suicide note indicated that Yatom’s failure had provoked widespread despair in Israel’s psychiatric community, which fears a therapeutic remedy for doublethink is much more remote than previously believed. Security Addiction Disorder, often characterized by blizzards of doublethink, is also now believed to be well nigh incurable.

The loss of two such highly successful analysts to clinical depression in such a short time has left Israel fearing a wave of “shrinkicides” may be in the offing. Many government officials are currently undergoing analysis, with virtually all of them sporting the same penchant for doublethink that drove Yatom and Peleg over the edge. If current treatments continue to prove ineffective, a psychiatric “Jonestown” could well be the result.

http://legalienate.blogspot.com/2010/06/second-psychiatrist-suicide-rocks.html

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By MarthaA, June 18, 2010 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

jean gerard, June 15 at 5:01 pm,

“This linkage between religion and war may be fatal to the human race because people who believe it feel justified in killing people who doubt it.”—jean gerard, June 15 at 5:01 pm

It is sad that Jesus left his followers with Peace,—and then Christianity started following the theater of war for conservative corporatist and elite benefit and continues to follow the theater of war. 

Man’s will is not God’s Will and sooner or later man is going to find out, but until that time comes, man needs to see that man’s will is NOT God’s Will and man needs to hold those accountable who would coopt and use God’s Will in a theater of war and destitution on the majority common populace.

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By ofersince72, June 18, 2010 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

AWAKENING         lil milagro ramirez

I was gentle and peaceful,
a flower
But gentleness insn’t a wall
that hides msery
and I saw injustice,
and strikes and rebellions
by ordinary people
exploded before my astonished eyes.

And instead of absurd pity
and sympathetic hypocrisy
my indignation burst forth
and I felt myself united with my sisters and brothers,
and every striked hurt me,
and every cry struck me
not only in my head or ears
but in my heart.
My white gentleness fell,
dead at the feet of hunger,
I undressed myself, weeping at its veils
and new clothing clung to my flesh.
My arms now in the springtime of struggle,
My red-hot blood protestingc
my body olive green
and incendiary passion consumes me
....and nevertheless
I keep feeling as before,
a lover of peace,
I want to fight for it-desperately
because from the beginning
I have dreamt of peace

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By MarthaA, June 18, 2010 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, June 15 at 1:08 pm,

The Democrats do toady up to the Right as “theater of war” corporatists, which means that the American populace is not represented politically in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order.  Therefore, the Liberal perspective of the Political Left is not represented in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order and the populace is left with only the false choice of backlash between the corporate Democratic Party and the elite Republican Party conservatives toadying up to the Liberal perspective while being conservative and only concerned about the theater of war.

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By MarthaA, June 18, 2010 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 15 at 12:57 pm,

“On this subject and this alone, this particular subset of self-identified liberals often throw aside their liberal values and espouse militaristic, might-makes-right attitudes.” —Ed Harges, June 15 at 12:57 pm

If one can throw away their liberal values, it is because they didn’t have any liberal values in the first place.  Conservatives on the Left pretend to have liberal values, as they occupy political seats on the Left, since the Left side of the the political spectrum is the Liberal side, but the Liberal side of politics, the American populace, is not being represented at all and hasn’t been for years as the Liberal Left doesn’t have a political party and is therefore not represented in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order in the interest of the American populace.

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By MarthaA, June 18, 2010 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, June 15 at 3:30 pm,


MarthaA, - “The only theater the Right-Wing Conservatives are interested in is the theater of war, as political Conservatives are EXTREMISTS, anyone who thinks differently, isn’t a conservative.”

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“Question:  Who was it that taught you to be such an unmitigated bigot?  Does this horrible ugliness date back to childhood?” —Go Right Young Man, June 15 at 3:30 pm

You are trying to blame me for the horrible ugliness of Conservatism and frame Conservatism’s horrible ugliness as a victim. 

The horrible ugliness that you are talking about IS Conservatism and that horrible ugliness dates back to Conservatism’s origin.  The following is an example on another Truthdig thread of how the Right-Wing conservative perpetrators frame themselves as victims:

“A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.

“She rolled her eyes and said, “You must be an Obama Democrat.”

“I am,” replied the man. “How did you know?”

“Well,” answered the balloonist, “everything you told me is technically correct. But I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.”

The man smiled and responded, “You must be a Republican.”

“I am,” replied the balloonist. “How did you know?”

“Well,” said the man, “you don’t know where you are or where you are going. You’ve risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it’s my fault.””

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/joke_how_to_spot_a_republican_20100617/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Truthdig+Truthdig:+Drilling+Beneath+the+Headlines&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

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re: Air Controllers

http://amazing-visions.com/Pf_TF_files/TheFall-wDancers.mov

“Boston Center TMU, we have a hijacked aircraft headed for New York. We
need someonw to scramble some jets or something, over.”

      “Is this a test or real world”

“No, not a test, not a drill.”

      “Do we really want to scramble jets? You know, everyone just left the
room.”

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By ofersince72, June 17, 2010 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

OBLIGATIONS OF THE POET   giaconda belle

Never consider yourself
a privileged intellectual, a book-filled head repeating
    the same conversation,
a withered doleful thinker.

You were born to thresh stars
and discover in the trees the laughter of the crowd,
you were born brandishing the future,
seeing through eyes, hands, feet, breast, mouth,
foreteller of things to come
augur of days the sun
is unaware it will rise on,
you were conceived on moonlit nights
when wolves howled and crazed fireflies raced,
your eyes were open when your head first entered the world
and your skin was softer and thinner
than that of those born with eyes closed,
you were favored by joy and sadness,
child of sea and storm,
created to seek treasures in swamps and deserts.
Your legacy was undounded love,
confidence, unaffected simplicity,
the shadow of shilamate trees,
the trill of black mockingbirds.

Now the depths of the earth
give forth electricity to charge your song,
poems spill from sweaty faces
and eager hands holding primers and pencils;
now you have only to sing of what surrounds you.
the soft pitch
of the fervent voices
of the multitude.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 17, 2010 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

I have a problem with all those who make the Air Controller strike into an altruistic issue.  An issue about Good and Evil.

The strike began and ended over a $10,000 annual raise while the entire nation was hurting deeply.  The strike itself, over an issue of money, regardless of being deserved, put public safety at tremendous risk.

After months of negotiations the FAA agreed to everything PATCO was seeking less the $700 Million annual raise that was still being negotiated.  It’s a fact that cannot be changed.

The union and it’s members believed they had the public, not Ronald Reagan, over a barrel.  It was against their own written mandate, against federal statute and not, in any way, “Good Faith”.  Making that into an altruistic cause, I believe, is deeply flawed and tremendously self-serving.

Plain and simple. The union and it’s members gambled for money and lost.  Rightly so after breaking the law and putting themselves over the safety of hundreds of thousands of people.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 17, 2010 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

Thank you for the clarification GoRightYoungMan.

I’m just sorry I don’t have the money or the mobility to see any of these plays. One playing now I want to see is “Intelligence Slave” based upon the real genius 1/2 Jewish Curt Herzstark who invented a 4-function mechanical hand calculator and the Nazis wanted it. The title is from what they called people like him, enemies of the state that had skills the wanted. He was in a camp where most of the action takes place. It was adapted and written by Kenneth Lin.

We actually will need something like that mechanical calculator when electricity and batteries may become in short supply due to the torrential storms and flooding caused by GCC.

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By ofersince72, June 17, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

Good discussion Night-Gaunt…off topic though
but I won’t flag…

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By ThomasG, June 17, 2010 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, June 17 at 3:46 pm,

blah.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 17, 2010 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, - “Go Right Young Man you didn’t answer my main question, were the strikers right in there grievances?”

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Yes.  Air traffic controllers, in my opinion, were justified in their grievances.

I will repeat myself so that this one point does not get lost.  Contrary to subsequent revisionist PATCO had publicly stated that all grievances, less the $10,000 across the board salary hike, had been met by the FAA prior to the unlawful strike.  All other claims, no matter how many times repeated, are incorrect.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 17, 2010 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

ThomasG, - “Reagan was involved in Union Busting”

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Clearly there is no arguing with such widespread revisionism. 

You get the last word.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 17, 2010 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man you didn’t answer my main question, were the strikers right in there grievances? Irrespective of the law. The law has been wrong, & criminal before, that was my point. You are tuned just to the letter of the law, not extenuating circumstances or general morality.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 17, 2010 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

ThomasG,

Your claims of “false frames” didn’t work with me the first time you attempted it and will fall quite flat this time as well (I get the sense that you play to the crowd here).

All you’re really saying is that I do not “frame” issue as you do.  It’s simply not good enough as an argument for a position.  Excuse my bluntness, however, the “false frame” diatribes are weak in stature.

I’m also unsure whether or not you understand the word Disingenuous.  Most contributors here will attest that I actually believe in the things I write.  If nothing else I am always genuine.

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By ThomasG, June 17, 2010 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, June 17 at 2:18 pm,

With regard to GRYM’s claim, unjust law and order is not law and order at all.

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By ThomasG, June 17, 2010 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, June 17 at 1:52 pm,

YOU did not answer my question.

Reagan was involved in Union Busting http://www.stfrancis.edu/content/ba/ghkickul/stuwebs/btopics/works/atcstrike.htm.

If your interest in this subject is disingenuous and self serving Right-Wing Propaganda in support of Union Busting by the Reagan administration, I am not interested in any further participation in your false frame.

Pedantic parsing within a false frame is a tactic that Right-Wingers have used from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and continues with Glenn Beck et al and is something I am not interested in participating in.

As you know, contention with a false frame reinforces the validity of the false frame, and that is the reason why false framing is used, to reinforce the validity of the false frame and diminish the frame of dialogue that accepts to be in contention with the proffered false frame.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 17, 2010 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, - “And Reagan’s answer to the real grievances was to fire them all and endanger everybody!”

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I think if you dig deeper you’ll find that before President Reagan announced his decision to give controllers forty-eight hours to return to work Reagan instructed the FAA and remaining air controllers to reduce all air traffic to a safe level that could be handled by the 30% of controllers who refused to walk out. This mitigated the dangers caused by 13,000 striking controllers who had previously promised never to strike. - Each had signed an affidavit to that effect.

President Reagan was clear in that he agreed with President Coolidge, and a subsequent U.S. Congress, when Coolidge said; “There is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody, anywhere, at any time.”

Real grievances: The last remaining grievance (according to PATCO all other grievances had been satisfied) was an huge $10,000 across the board pay increase at a time of recession.  At a time when almost no other industry in the country was receiving raises and, in fact, most industries were in a period of freezing new hires.

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Air traffic controllers believed they had the government and the public over a barrel and could hold out for more money.  That is a fact nobody can change.  It matters none if we like or dislike Ronald Reagan.

President Reagan gave controllers the chance to return to work, bide by their own promise and bide by the law.  He did not summarily fire them.

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By ofersince72, June 17, 2010 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

THEY FELL ON THE STAIRWAY   mercedes durand

They fell on the stairway
and others reached the main altar
and the cathedral lamps turned red
and the candles brightened their flames
and thousands of eyes looked at the corpses
and the bishop gave them absolution…
But they were already absolved!
and the machine guns vomited death
and the brown backs were pierce
and the wobs of future mothers spilled unborn childred
and they died on the steps of the Cathedral…
and the soldiers and police and guards and lieutenants
and the captains and jajors and colonels and generals
drank their ration of blood
because for 47 years they have needed the people’s plasma
to keep on living…
and twenty-five coffins left the Cathedral
covered with flowers brought down from the volcano of
San Salvador
from the ranches of San Antonio Abad
and the slums of Santa Tecla
and now the national anthem isn’t sung
but the Anthem of the Fallen
and the red and yellow flag of the BPR
wrapped the poorly nailed pine boxes of death
and the day of anger arrived
the eighth of May, 1979
and the lambs were sacrificed
and the assassins poised themselves with guns on the flat
roofs
ready to extract more blood
and the demonstrators shuted proclamations
and bore no other weapon than their rage…
I ask
the lightning flash of my conscience:
for how long will uniformed assassins
drain bood from the millions of men and women
who despise the corrupt sound of their boots?
I know that some futurologists assert
that the struggle is long
and the vampire class will not be quickly cvrushed
But we poets are not satisfied with cold calculations
and we are part child, part magician and part prophet
moreover
of one thing we are certain:
that the blood spilled on the stairway
and at the foot of the main altar of the Cathedral
will splatter with an eternal curse
all those who wear a uniform,
the paramilitary squads
the informers, the oligarchs and land owners
from the present to their last generation…
Monsters of the future
cyclops of tomorrow,
rendered radioactive by the people’s hatred,
will flow from the bellies of your women,
assassins, cursed by the fire of God…
You will crawl like vipers
and coil on top of one another
and you will drink the putrid blood of your mothers
nameless bacteria
sinister fetuses
apocalyptic spermatozoa…
and for those who fell on the stairway
and at the foot of the main altar of the Cathedral
the red rose of my love
my heart standing in struggle
the inexhaustible fountain of my fury….

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By Leefeller, June 17, 2010 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

If we are going to talk about “Bed Time For Bonzo” and about acting and politics, it has been proven beyond a doubt from unsubstantiated sources, Bonzo would have made a much better president, because he was a Chimp off the old block, instead of chip off ye ole Dipper!

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By Night-Gaunt, June 17, 2010 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

And Reagan’s answer to the real grievances was to fire them all and endanger everybody! A brilliant callous man he was. Long Live the King.

What good is a Union if you can’ strike no matter how horrible things have become? Weren’t they right even if the mandates against them were legal and wrong? Wouldn’t you have GoWestYoungMan?

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By Ed Harges, June 17, 2010 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

Tobysgirl writes:

“Reagan was a national disaster and we’re paying for our stupidity in electing a
red-baiting wooden actor with shit for brains to the presidency.

Hear! Hear! Well and truly said!

Toby is very lucky to have you.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 17, 2010 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

ThomasG,

Are we to deduce that you have no real understanding of the situation surrounding the air traffic strike? 

I will try one last time.  A few simply yes’s or no’s will suffice at this point.

1. Did PATCO mandates prohibit union members from striking? 
2. Was the strike illegal?
3. Did striking controllers risk several thousand lives by walking away from their contractual responsibilities?

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By Tobysgirl, June 17, 2010 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

One of the major reasons air traffic controllers engaged in a strike was that they said there was a serious shortage of personnel and controllers were being stretched too thin, thereby endangering the public. Just because their union was in bed with the airlines doesn’t mean they did not have valid grievances that were not being addressed. His “show of power” permitted Grandfather Reagan to appeal to the lowest elements in American society, those that object to any community of interests other than corporate/propertied interests.

I’m not going to argue with an idiot about Ronald Reagan’s effect on this country. All around me people howl about school funding, which is financed with property taxes, and if you try to suggest to them that Reagan dramatically lowered federal funding for education, which caused school districts to have to find other monies, they howl about your criticism of their Tinpot God. Reagan was a national disaster and we’re paying for our stupidity in electing a red-baiting wooden actor with shit for brains to the presidency.

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By ThomasG, June 17, 2010 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

One can redefine morality to be immorality, and redefine liberal to be conservative, and those who cannot understand that “a rose by any other name is still a rose” will accept that that which is not a rose by any other name is still a rose, that that which is a rose by definition is a rose, even though it is neither a rose nor a rose by any other name; this is the problem with the framing and rhetoric of the Christian Fascist’s Movement and the Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST Republican Movement, framing that uses language as subjective tropes, rather than language that by definition describes objective reality.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 17, 2010 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

ThomasG,

I’m sorry but you didn’t actually address my question.  Which parts of my narrative are incorrect?  We can address your own preferences for “framing” after the facts are laid out.

Did Air Traffic Controllers own union mandates prohibit them from striking?  Did striking controllers run afoul of federal laws by walking out on their jobs?  Did striking controllers risk several thousand lives by walking away from their contractual responsibilities?

If you care to field one more I would ask; what was the remaining unresolved issue that prompted controllers to strike?

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By Ed Harges, June 17, 2010 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

The Jewish liberal-on-everything-but-the-Middle-East
establishment has been for many decades now acting as
gatekeepers in the Democratic party, the theatre world,
and many other spheres of American life that are normally
regarded as bastions of progressivism.

Some of these pro-Israel ideologues more or less stopped trying to square
their liberalism with their defense of Israel and overtly defected from liberalism.
These became known as the neoconservatives, and many joined the hawkish-
on-everything-including-Israel Republican Party. A small proportion of Jews
evolved into harsh critics of Israel, or even advocates of a one-state solution,
with equality for all in Palestine—essentially the end of Israel as an ethnic
state.

But a lot of the hawkish Jews remained in the Democratic party, continuing to
brave the cognitive dissonance and think of themselves as liberals.

Chuck Schumer, the “liberal” who thinks it’s OK to “strangle” Gaza, epitomizes
these people. They are disproportionately wealthy and important sources of
financial support in the Democratic party as well as in the theatre world; they
have high levels of media ownership and other kinds of cultural influence; and
they are very organized, passionately committed to Israel, and ruthless in
making an example of anyone who gets out of line, not only by exacting
financial revenge but by pinning offenders with the scarlet letter of “anti-
Semitism”.

This, we can be certain, is the group which this play falls afoul of.

Tom Hayden wrote a chilling piece for Truthdig about his run-in with this
group, and belatedly lamenting the fact that he submitted to the will of these
gatekeepers by kissing up to Israel and defending its crimes when he was
running for local political office as a liberal Democrat in California in the early
1980s. And for God’s sake, he was only running for a position in the
California State Assembly!—hardly a foreign policy slot! The energy and
power exerted by pro-Israel ideologues to control US politics even at this level
is truly scary, and that was 25 years ago. Imagine how bad it is now, after Israel
and its supporters have moved ever rightward for another quarter of a century.
Please read it:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060718_tom_hayden_things_come_ro
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By omop, June 17, 2010 at 7:35 am Link to this comment

MarthaA. Talk about disruptive emotions and what happens!.

Check this out. Fascinating and frightening. Israeli psychiatrists committing
suicide

  http://legalienate.blogspot.com/2010/06/second-psychiatrist-suicide-
rocks.html

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By ThomasG, June 17, 2010 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, June 17 at 12:19 am,

You are talking disingenuous framing.

Here is a frame for you:  Since you are obviously making a disingenuous rhetorical argument; if you were commanded and forbid from using you sphincter, would equivalent force be justified to be used against you for continuing to do so?

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By elkbelly, June 16, 2010 at 11:09 pm Link to this comment

I have written an anti-war play, called ‘JOE’, and it has received readings at major theatres and at Wake Forest University; it won runner-up in the Pen Is A Mighty Sword International Playwrighting Competition here in Los Angeles, and I have been told by major film and TV producers that it’s excellent…

No one will produce it.

I produced a full blown production for as many nights as I could afford in L.A.—4 total!  Whoopie!... and the house was packed every night.  (Maybe because it was free.)  Donations went to Iraqi school children…

I thank Mr. Hedges for saying something that needed to be said, that only someone outside the theatre-world could say. 

email if you’re interested in reading ‘joe’ - .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).  (Logline: The expressionistic tale of a dying soldier’s unraveling mind, and his quest for truth in the death of an Iraqi boy.)

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By Go Right Young Man, June 16, 2010 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG,- “As President, Reagan busted the Air Traffic Controllers Union and thereby set the U.S. Government standard of private interest taking priority over community interest.”

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Correct me, please, where I am mistaken:

President Reagan fired Air Traffic Controllers after controllers broke union written mandates against strikes.  Controllers also broke federal laws prohibiting FAA employees from walking off the job - thus knowingly crippling an entire nation.

President Reagan forewarned striking controllers that if they did not abide by their own union mandates, and abide by federal laws, he would be forced to end their employment for obvious national security and contractual reasons.

The Union and it’s members ended the employment of thousands of controllers.  Not the President of the United States.

Which part of the above narrative is incorrect?

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By christian96, June 16, 2010 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG—-Thanks for the information.  I do recall
the situation with the Air Traffic Controllers.  His
wife Nancy must have received that idea from her
astrologer.

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By MarthaA, June 16, 2010 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

It is the political conservative mindset that is the root destructive force against the populace; if the populace can realize that they are not politically conservative, our government will change remarkably fast, but as long as so many of the populace think they are politically conservative, they are putty to be molded as the Republicans and whatever Conservative Right-Wing Republican Movement, like Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Dick Armey and Rush Limbaugh, etc of the FOX News Network owned by Rupert Murdoch choose, which is what got our country into such a fix.  The populace are going to have to pull away from the Republicans and get busy redecorating the Democratic Party with real liberals, instead of fake liberals.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 16, 2010 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

Reagan was the turning point in this country. It was when we started on that spiral down toward theocracy. To a Madison Avenue/Wall Street kind of dictatorship we have been moving closer to with each subsequent president.

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By ThomasG, June 16, 2010 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

christian96, June 16 at 11:54 am,

As President, Reagan busted the Air Traffic Controllers Union and thereby set the U.S. Government standard of private interest taking priority over community interest.

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By bookmark dofollow, June 16, 2010 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

Good Point! Mr. John Ellis
Art can bring about feelings of empathy for humanity in a way that is hard for the average citizen to forget. That is why the empire’s custodians frown on truth presented in the form of art.

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By christian96, June 16, 2010 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

Ronald Reagan cut back on left wing theatre.  He
could have done the world, especially children, a
great good if he had cut back on some of the war
movies coming out of Hollywood.  But he didn’t.  So
the movies made the children want to be soldiers
when they grew up.  Great propaganda for the Pentagon
and the military weapons industry.  I’ve heard he
had a big impact on crippling unions in America.
I’m not sure how.  Perhaps someone could enlighten
me.

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By Ed Harges, June 16, 2010 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Lee writes:

“I have never seen a planned play with paid actors except at the movies, I don’t
like moves because the actors always seems to be acting to me!!”

So what. That’s like refusing to look at paintings because they seem painted. You
are missing a lot. There are other values besides perfect realism.

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By Ed Harges, June 16, 2010 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Re:By ThomasG, June 16 at 10:54 am:

Thomas writes: “What you are talking about gets down to
whether or not people follow standards of their moral values
[...] Expedient morality is NOT morality at all….”

Yes, Thomas; it kind of calls into question the motivations
behind the ostensibly laudable moral positions which such people may have taken
on other issues, doesn’t it?

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By Leefeller, June 16, 2010 at 7:12 am Link to this comment

Here in Hoot Owl where I live, the closest thing to watching a play. is the couple down the road who argue a lot.

I heard the gunshots when the wife had the husband pinned down in a ditch for his cavorting, lucky for him his wife is a bad shot.  Sort of reminds me of the Golf guy we been hearing all about in the News guess my neighbors wife couldn’t find a golf club? 

Sometimes me and Clyde my other brother would hear them winding up for a battle so we would grab a couple of beers and go on down and sit acccross the little ridge from the couples house for the show,  we count the doors slamming and how many yelling going ons for entertainment,  it was just like a Hollywood move with the raised voices and such, at least we did not have to pay to see this, it was quite an act and real entertaining.

I have never seen a planned play with paid actors except at the movies, I don’t like moves because the actors always seems to be acting to me!!

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By ThomasG, June 16, 2010 at 6:54 am Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 15 at 12:57 pm,

What you are talking about gets down to whether or not people follow standards of their moral values, or whether they talk subjective morality and effect immorality as their effective standard of objective reality.

Expedient morality is NOT morality at all.  Expedient morality is immorality.

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By Ed Harges, June 16, 2010 at 6:47 am Link to this comment

re:By Kay Johnson, June 16 at 10:32 am:

I think it’s important to distinguish between

(1) good quality theatre that is financially unsuccessful
because it’s too sophisticated, subtle, or otherwise difficult
of comprehension; and

(2) good quality theatre that is financially unsuccessful because its subject
matter or point of view is politically unacceptable to a powerful group.

The play in question seems a clear case of of the latter.

In case (1), the work dies a quiet death simply for lack of interest.

In case (2), the powerful interests deliberately set out to kill the project and deal
a punishing blow to those involved, in order to deter anyone else from similarly
violating the powerful group’s taboos in the future.

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By Kay Johnson, June 16, 2010 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

Over the weekend, I went to see the new David Mamet play, Race—quite a
provocative piece of theatre. The play was NOT nominated for any awards.

While I was standing in line at TKTS for half-price tickets, the only tickets I can
afford, and even half-price tickets are too expensive, the usual promoters were
milling around and talking up the plays that still needed an audience, one of
which was Hair—another good play and a musical. The selling point on Hair is
that, currently, 2 of the main characters are played by American Idol winners. I
turned to the promoter and said, “That fact, alone, would cause me to NOT see
the play.” The people standing behind me agreed. The promoter moved on
down the line.

The history of attempting to bring the Rachel Corrie play to Broadway is another
good case demonstrating that Broadway, and even much of Off-Broadway, is
mediocre/mainstream, at best. My Name Is Rachel Corrie was scheduled to
open in NYC at the New York Theatre Workshop in March of 2006, but due to
the controversy over the subject matter, the play did not get off the ground.
Finally, the play opened at the Minetta Theatre in the Village in the fall of 2006.

I agree with Chris Hedges. Most of what passes on Broadway is less than what
we deserve from a medium of art that has the potential to raise our
consciousness to new levels. Theatre is supposed to make us think and
question the status quo—that is, when theatre is at its best.

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best best

best

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By Money is funny, June 15, 2010 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

CBGB was a beacon of truth I’d say. Now everything is just, get your tickets at Ticket Master and kneel before Zod. Special guest Hana Montana and that guy from That Seventies Show! (YUCK)

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The story of The Cradle Will Rock is one that should be told and retold even if we end up out in some Farenheit 451 wilderness someday. Since my own writing is the story of a different place but the same era, I think the Depression years have more and more to teach us as we go through our own hard times.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 15, 2010 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment

Leefella false hope is used as a lure against us by those who would want to dominate us. For whatever motivations and reasoning they have as a basis for their actions it still ultimately works against us no matter what they promise. If we ever caught up to the carrot it would be a painted wood or metal, not the real thing.

Since 1980 It hadn’t mattered who was elected or from which party. As Obama shows us, he was elected under false pretenses and on the fevorant wishes of those for change from our course to fascism. He hasn’t changed our trajectory one iota. That isn’t his job.

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By Leefeller, June 15, 2010 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

Redhorse, interesting and enlightening post, I question the betrayer Democratic party part of the post, only because of my naively letting the fantasy idea of hope and change override common sense. I suspect this was not betrayal, instead Politic business as usual. Creditability of the Democratic party is now tucked in with Santa Clause and the tooth fairy!

I find the following comment potentially being close to the truth as reality may allow, or am I being prejudiced? Anyway I would like it to be true, then all the pieces fit the smoke and mirrors puzzle.

“Art scares the sh!# out of psychopathic corporate fascists and politicians because it provides immediate transcendent reality that illuminates unjust financial and political constructs that prey upon humanity and destroy real human potential.”

If something do not feed the money tree as real art, it provides no incentive for opportunists to dance in the streets.

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By REDHORSE, June 15, 2010 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges paranoia is real and his lament is a song that touches all our lives. Art is living consciousness. It subsumes all finite and infinite interdimensional space and time. It propels human spititual and physical evolution and informs the fact of all real religious ritual, creativity, science, and craft. It is present in all transcendent human experience and the only available vehicle for the acquisition of meaning. Example: What we call creative art is an attempt to honor what we experience when we glimpse that “certain” light in the eyes of our child or the self-awareness that overcomes us at the loss of someone dearly loved. It is an attempt to touch and be touched by that nameless thing from which creation springs.

  Great Art is not entertainment and requires hard emotional, psychological, transformative and what we call “spititual” work on the part of the artist and his/her audience. For instance, great theatre often presents actual horror robed in beauty and human suffering. It calls for action. That’s why the half adults of American Popular Culture sneer and avoid it like the plague. It’s too painfull to be a real Human Being. Hell, it can get you killed.

  Art scares the sh!# out of psychopathic corporate fascists and politicians because it provides immediate transcendent reality that illuminates unjust financial and political constructs that prey upon humanity and destroy real human potential. That’s what Mr. Hedges is talking about. Besides, that wildcard we call human freedom is loose someplace in there and it encourages people to, you know, start thinking they’re free.

    My generation was about expanded consciousness, living life as art and exploration of human freedom and social possibility. We got a little “out there” but we planted a tree that’s still growing. We scared’em!! They seized the money and the press, gutted education and the economy, destroyed our cities, built the largest industrial prison complex in the world and gave us perpetual war. Why be suprised. Great artists of the past told us it was coming. Now it’s here. We ignored it because we don’t like reality and don’t want to accept that “ART” is a living thing. Contact with real artistic consciousness is contact with terrible wounding beauty. What do you think our Statue of Liberty symbolizes?

    The problem is a simple but difficult. What Mr. Hedges calls fascists are heartless capitalists that have seized control of American Democracy and suspended our Constitution. You can use names like press whores, military/industrial complex, corporate feudalists, or Right Wing Wall Street thugs but it changes nothing. The question is: How do we get out of it without blood on our hands?

    We removed the fascist Bush. Despite our betrayal, twice now, by the Democratic Party and despite the disinformation and propaganda of a vicious press THE POWER IS STILL WITH US. STAND TOGETHER—if you ain’t mad—you ain’t right.Let your voice be heard and VOTE!! VOTE!! VOTE!!

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By Tobysgirl, June 15, 2010 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

The best theatre I ever saw in NYC was African-American theatre. One play was based on the true stories of black men disappearing into slavery in the early twentieth century; it was emotionally inflaming. Interestingly, my drug addict friend didn’t like it. Herein, I think, lies the truth of our nation: Most of our countrymen are NUMB, and people who are numb don’t like their numbness to be disturbed. I don’t care whether they’re liberals or conservatives, they want to wallow in their numbness.

Great art, of whatever sort, does not allow us to be stupid and callous. It calls us to respond, to open ourselves to other people, other possibilities. I have no idea whether the play Hedges writes about did this, but I certainly put no credence in the NYT’s reviews. They hire either a friend or an enemy of the playwright/author/etc to write the review, not exactly an unbiased approach.

As usual, Old Man Turtle gets it exactly right.

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By jean gerard, June 15, 2010 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment
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Martha A’s comment about the only theater interesting to Right Wingers is war
is itself very interesting.  We could discuss this for days. 

War promoters, strangely enough, use the word “theater” for battleground.
Early Greek drama was frequently a play on wars and battles.  Early European
dramas were frequently based on military encounters between nations. Until
the rise of science, heroes were always soldiers.

The military aspects of Biblical lore figure very largely in right wing ideology
where all of life is cast in terms of “war on evil” with Christians as heroes and
nonbelievers as the opposite.  All of human life is seen in terms of combat and
even the pacifist, Jesus of Nazareth is co-opted, given a flaming sword and
consigned to rule over the bloody destruction of an imaginary Satan,
supervising the murder of all sinners etc. etc. ad nauseum.  The often-
apparent suicidal impulses of Israel today are also interpreted as necessary
excesses of the Revelations of St. John—one long nightmare of destruction. 
Talk about drama! 

This linkage between religion and war may be fatal to the human race because
people who believe it feel justified in killing people who doubt it.

When pacifists are seen as sissies, and nonviolent resistance is written off as
ineffectual, the end is nearer than you may think.

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By Old Man Turtle, June 15, 2010 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment
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‘A place for everything, and everything in its place,’ has been for ages the mantra of bean-counters everywhere.  Take some once fully integrated feature of people’s common life and set it apart as “art.”  Take an expression from the virtual world of “artistic expression” and call it “drama.”  Take from “drama” its “theater” portion.  Divide-up “theater” into as many different types as wannabe specialists in one or another of such artificial categories of them can invent, get a PhD in, and parlay into lectures and books and prestige.

Sure, everybody needs a “job,” but pretty soon it just gets ridiculous. Not long after that it goes insane. 

Anyway, if Shakespeare was even half right, anybody can get as much stage-craft as they can stand to enjoy in any check-out line or town council meeting or aboard any school bus.  So if “theater” doesn’t appear to be very alive-and-well anymore, maybe the big question is:  Why should it be any different from the rest of the modern world?

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2010 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, - “The only theater the Right-Wing Conservatives are interested in is the theater of war, as political Conservatives are EXTREMISTS, anyone who thinks differently, isn’t a conservative.”

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Question:  Who was it that taught you to be such an unmitigated bigot?  Does this horrible ugliness date back to childhood?

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By Ed Harges, June 15, 2010 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

RWS writes:

“I see little difference between taking citizens’ money
to fund art or taking it to fund war.”

It amazes me how libertarians find war exactly as bad as anything
else funded by the government.

Does the government contribute a few dollars to a public theatre where some
of the plays are not very good? Terrible! Immoral! Does the government fund
meat inspections and scientific research? Terrible! Immoral! Does the
government spend billions to destroy and occupy whole countries, subjecting
masses of people to horrifying suffering and death?  Terrible! Immoral!  It’s all
exactly as bad, for the libertarian.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 15, 2010 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

kerryrose, is seems you touched a hidden nerve with such a free wheeling open minded proposal. If it doesn’t fit the script then it is outlawed. Imagine some people are liable to come up with unapproved ideas that work! That is anathema to those who wish to have a very narrow conformity. It could lead to a crack in the monolith the corporate structure is working to keep not only silent, but dead to the world. I hope you can eventually get it up and running someday. If it isn’t too late.

I have a hard time going to the theater but it doesn’t mean I won’t support it. PBS also known as the Petroleum Broadcasting System has been right wing pro-corporate for a long time. Check on Fairness And Accuracy In Reporting who have covered this for a long time. If you allow just a few to support it who are biased you won’t get much diversity. Gov’t is supposed to be neutral in this but it isn’t. We should make it so.

And to those who veered off topic, you have been red flagged so they can remove your unwanted crap. Take it to another relevant forum.

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By felicity, June 15, 2010 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

Just one more nail in the coffin signifying the death of our republic.

Book burning, a practice that dates back to B.C. eras, is an effort to suppress dissenting or heretical views that are perceived as posing a threat to the prevailing order. As of now, I think, we’ve not taken to ‘burning books’ but it may be just around the corner (not to mention ‘control’ over the Internet.)

At the same time that our theater is limited to fare that doesn’t “pose a threat…” I wonder at the mental caliber of the American audience these days as it has been dumbed down to enjoy trivia and balk at substance. 

I can envision the majority of today’s theater audience with one eye/ear on the performance while the other eye/ear is absorbed in the content of some hand-held gadget. Could such an audience even comprehend the gravity of the messages conveyed in the play before them.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

MarthA that is awful haughty of you to believe
a conservative doesn’t enjoy a night at the theater

and let me remind you

Senate   80 - 13   pro war
  House 356 - 65   pro war

they aren’t all Republicans, mostly Democrats.
I do not consider myself a conservative, but
won’t let them take all the blame for our wars.
It is pretty equally divided through history, both
liberal and conservatives participating in thievery
through resource wars.

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By Ed Harges, June 15, 2010 at 8:57 am Link to this comment

re:By MarthaA, June 15 at 12:27 pm:

MarthA writes:

“The only theater the Right-Wing Conservatives are
interested in is the theater of war, as political Conservatives
are EXTREMISTS, anyone who thinks differently, isn’t
a conservative.”

MarthaA, as Hedges points out, there have been recently some financially
successful theatrical productions which were quite displeasing to right-wing
conservatives—for example, “Angels in America.”

And anyway, people who self-identify as right-wing conservatives have never
tended to make up the bulk of theatre subscribers, ticket-buyers, and
contributers.

American theatre-goers tend to be affluent, yes—but they tend to be people
who think of themselves as moderately to very liberal.

But in America, we have a very powerful group, within the self-identified left-
liberal demographic, which has a blind spot concerning the Middle East; they
are liberal on everything but the Israeli/Palestinian conflict—which happens to
be the subject of this play.

On this subject and this alone, this particular subset of self-identified liberals
often throw aside their liberal values and espouse militaristic, might-makes-
right attitudes.

Guess which group of liberals these are?

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By Galia Hannah, June 15, 2010 at 8:28 am Link to this comment
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I think arts is one arena where we the people make a huge difference. Clifford Odet’s “Waiting for lefty” was electrifyingly successful in New York and then people all over the country put on the play often in union halls. I’m also think Malpede has a lot of freedom to criticize her government in her plays, freedom because of other people’s struggles to say their minds.

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By MarthaA, June 15, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

The only theater the Right-Wing Conservatives are interested in is the theater of war, as political Conservatives are EXTREMISTS, anyone who thinks differently, isn’t a conservative.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

Go_Right_Young_Man

I would have to agree with your accessment of Hedges.

I myself , loved Helen Tomas.

I liked your choises of adjectives to describe his
writing.

And to add, we need a lot of help right now, the world
is flying apart and he is going to talk about an obscure
play that the NYT trashed, so he does his own little
review, mostly to spite The Times.

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By Henry Pelifian, June 15, 2010 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges has brought up fundamental issues of censorship in the arts, albeit now more aptly applied to the business world than government.  I may be a hapless dreamer, but I would like to think that art and the business world are sometimes able to work in unison, although it may be seldom.

If great theater needs to be solely funded by government then freedom and artistic freedom is indeed in jeopardy because those in government can and undoubtedly will pull the plug on any works that skewer government as demonstrated in 1937. 

Hopefully, my play THOREAU will be produced by those interested in freedom and protecting our environment and the ripple effect will reverberate in beneficial change to preserve our freedoms and our environment.

Why Thoreau Is Still Relevant:

http://hnn.us/articles/116290.html

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

If that isn’t bad enough, they are burning the excess
off into the atmosphere.!!!!!!!!
Have you ever seen what just one burning tire does???

They are idiots and they need our guidence in a very bad
way.

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2010 at 6:04 am Link to this comment

truedigger3, - “GRYM, And I bet you love that army of sycophants and steneographers, especially the White House corrospondents who call themselves journalists.!
And I bet you loved the way Helen Thomas’s exemplary career was shamefully terminated by her colleagues.!”

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You are far too emotional, digger. You almost always assume FAR too much.  Wouldn’t it be more instructive to ask what I think and, then, actually listen?

I often rail on these very pages against the quality of “journalism” today.  I also believe Ms. Thomas should have kept her job.  Her opinions are her own.

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I remain tired of Chris Hedges’ incessant and petulant whining.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

The shit has already hit the fan,  shit met fan whileback

We need to get out country back and it doesn’t look
like we are going to get one bit of help from the
mainstream, Hedges and Scheer are gonna talk the tea
bag thing to death, same with Maddow.

We ain’t got the time to wait around any longer
we need to let them know, it is OUR country tooo….!!!!!
What they are letting go on it the Gulf is inane,
shooting dispersents and anti-freeze along with spewing
oil, they are idiots..idiots idiots.!!!!!!!!

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By Ed Harges, June 15, 2010 at 5:06 am Link to this comment

Re:By logkAW, June 15 at 12:41 am:

Well, so you say the NYT review of the play was scathing.
That in itself offers us little indication as to whether it may
actually be a bad play, considering that the New York Times
has a huge blind spot when it comes to the subject matter
and point of view of this particular play.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 4:41 am Link to this comment

It is a double edged sword Go_Right_Young_Man

In too many states the culture is watching

Dale Jr. take rights all day long.

Discussing culture is not so much my gripe with Hedges,
I just believe he is devious, that simple.
Truth Dig is a very mainstream media, and that is all
that Hedges is,  but wants to portray himself as
a spokesman for the left…

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By truedigger3, June 15, 2010 at 4:12 am Link to this comment

Re:By Go Right Young Man, June 15 at 7:08 am #

GRYM wrote:
I am long ago tired of Hedges’ small but high-minded, self aggrandizing, whining. The phrase “petulant child” always rises to mind when I scan his pieces.

While I will strenuously defend his right to be heard I am hugely thankful that he represents a minute segment of the American states.
__________________________________________________

GRYM,

And I bet you love that army of sycophants and steneographers, especially the White House corrospondents who call themselves journalists.!
And I bet you loved the way Helen Thomas’s exemplary career was shamefully terminated by her colleagues.!

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By Go Right Young Man, June 15, 2010 at 3:08 am Link to this comment

I am long ago tired of Hedges’ small but high-minded, self aggrandizing, whining. The phrase “petulant child” always rises to mind when I scan his pieces.

While I will strenuously defend his right to be heard I am hugely thankful that he represents a minute segment of the American states.

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By MeHere, June 14, 2010 at 10:12 pm Link to this comment

A few points that are important to consider when discussing art and politics:

- Politically subjects in art do not automatically spell artistic excellence. The
Soviet Union and Nazi Germany valued only the art that conformed to their
systems. But this same way of viewing art is often found in other ideologies and
political leanings, from right to left.  The Times reviewer may have been right
when he said:

“Ms. Malpede hopes to illuminate some of the pathways by which the poison of
violent conflict can seep into the lives of people far from the actual theater of
war, and to condemn the moral blindness that afflicts both individuals in their
personal relations and countries in their foreign policy. But the play’s contrived
plotting and overwrought language smother any such points in melodramatics.”

- The general preference of audiences is for mediocre entertainment and not
for artistic work (whether it’s political or not)—evidence for this can be seen
in TV and film productions where celebrity value and other market data
determine what gets done because that’s what the public will watch. Plenty of
efforts and money have gone to waste in trying to show more artistic TV and
film work that has not been financially viable.

- The US does not invest enough in art in general (political or not)—or,
needless to say, in health, housing, education, etc.

- Educational institutions have lost ground in the area of social sciences and art
studies, the main reason being that students are choosing more profitable
careers. 

- Many art institutions, like museums, are being run more and more along the
corporate model.

- The art world (dealers and many artists) is in itself very corrupt, regardless of
the political content of the art work.

The ideologues and interest groups in our system can influence the art that is
promoted or discouraged, but the story is way more complex than that.

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By ofersince72, June 14, 2010 at 10:10 pm Link to this comment

I am presently busy tring to understand what
non-privatized capitolism is

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By ofersince72, June 14, 2010 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment

It was my instincts that revealed this piece had
something to do with the New York Times.

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By ofersince72, June 14, 2010 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment

logkAW….that does better explain this piece.
and does somewhat lessen my criticism of hem..

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By ThomasG, June 14, 2010 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

Causal education would solve the democratic problem and the theater problem.

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By logkAW, June 14, 2010 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

@ofersince72
“He must be trying to get his job with NYT back.”

Their review was scathing:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/theater/reviews/11prophecy.html?scp=1&sq=prophecy&st=cse

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By jean gerard, June 14, 2010 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment
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I guess the notion that dramatic art is a product is just one more regressive
part of a money economy,  with mixed results.  Fine plays have been produced
for free, but their commercial promotion costs money and requires the
collection of money in exchange.  Ideas of amateurism and professionalism
have given professional drama a status that has largely removed it from the life
of ordinary people, and, not surprisingly, that removal has impoverished them,
culturally speaking.

Dramatic creation, however, is further impeded by universal easy access to the
horrors of the “daily news”.  A society that fears creativity and settles for
duplication and repetition,  that gapes daily at disaster and lionizes
performers, frustrates creative expression in favor of jading public taste and
emphasizing repetition, wealth, glitz and destruction—is a declining society.

Improvement will come from the bottom up—as usual—or not at all.

Encouraging the production of arts is revitalizing.  Those societies where
drama, music, dance and poetry were integrated into daily life were healthier
than our highly technologized, routine, repetitive, reiterative, reactive society
today.

The proof that art is dangerous to authoritarian institutions is that it is
invariably suppressed by authorities.  The stronger the repressive power, the
less art survives and proliferates.

Insistent appearance of so-called “prison arts”, of graffiti, of street
performances, public concerts, art fairs prove over and over again that there
are many more artists than just those few who achieve fame.  As a logical
corollary, those who do not get paid are often those whose art is uniquely
original, controversial in message and untraditional in execution.  The best art
disturbs the status quo.

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By Leefeller, June 14, 2010 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

Tobygirl, appreciate your comments and Yes being in the military and spending 13 months vacation in Vietnam changed my world view too!

Theater is a form of art which can bring tears to me heart just like good live music.  Some of the fine arts do not provide the same emotional appreciation,  but I love all the arts just the same.

Our class society does seem to create differences of elite entitlement, creating the need to feast on subservience.

The idea of supporting local theaters is a great one. A well done play can be quite emotional.  Sadly Chomsky’s unpeople of the world may never see a play in their life times.

Again I ask, really how many people are touched by the emotional messages of plays compared to the total populations of the world?

Just seeing the few ugly stereotypes portrayed as enlightenment by hateful bigots on TD brings realities breaking focus of why this number may be as low as I feel it is.

Me thinks Hedges timing of this article, may have coincided with the Tony awards, but I do not watch TV.

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By Nixon is Lord, June 14, 2010 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment
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Is Hedges seriously suggesting that we have to pay to get good theater?  He seems to think that theater is a provider of public morals, that watching plays will make you moral, something like going to church was supposed to do in the 1950s.  We have to pay for this?  Why?  If you want to watch people echo your political beliefs, you pay for it.  If you want to hear sermons you like, go to those churches. 
  Hedges celebrates the individual?  Fine; let me, an individual, out of the theater-as-agitprop by the nearest exit.  I don’t want to be preached to, either in church or in the theater, which is why I never go to church and never watch plays. 
  And before I get accused of not supporting “social justice”, I’ve seen too many “progressives” come out of theaters, get into Volvos and head for the suburbs.  Clearly “progressive” theater has about as much effect as “progressive” churches like the one Hedges’ father was a minister of.
  Hedges is just another WASP scold who has left behind one form of superiority-“mainline” religion-for another: “progressive” journalism.

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By reverento., June 14, 2010 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

I don’t particularly want an optimistic piece. I think
when people ask Chris for an optimistic piece he sees
it as the bankrupt liberal class asking him, of all
people, for anesthetic so they can feel good. I would
wonder what Mr. Hedges appreciates because you can be objectively pessimistic and still have love, laughter
or other worth while things worth enjoying.

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