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Up, Up and Away: The West’s Hysterical Reaction to North Korea

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Posted on Apr 17, 2009
AP photo / Ahn Young-joon

South Koreans watch a TV news program on the launch of a North Korean missile.

By Scott Ritter

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This is the missing link in Obama’s call for a nuclear-free world. It will be difficult enough to convince entrenched domestic special interests, both economic and political, that we would be safer without nuclear weapons. It will be impossible to sell such a program internationally unless it is coupled with a similar undertaking involving the very missiles and related technology the MTCR seeks to restrict. Such a restriction cannot be limited to those nations which do not currently possess such technology, but rather must be binding on all nations. While the world was focused on the launch of the North Korean missile, almost unmentioned was the testing of an SS-25 intercontinental missile by Russia on April 10. This missile, designed and equipped to deliver a single 500-kiloton nuclear warhead, flew 6,000 miles before hitting its designated target area (the warhead used was a dummy). And what about February’s test launch of a U.S. Navy D-5 ballistic missile from a Trident submarine? This missile flew some 4,000 miles and was equipped with multiple warheads. There was hardly any mention of the test of a U.S. Minuteman III missile in July 2006, made six days after the U.S. orchestrated Security Council condemnation of North Korea’s failed launch of a Taepodong-2 space launch vehicle. India, Pakistan and Israel have all conducted recent tests of their respective nuclear-capable ballistic missile arsenals. If the world is going to be serious about getting rid of nuclear weapons, then it must also address the issue of eliminating those delivery vehicles which provide the most viable vector for nuclear attack—ballistic missiles.

Combining the goals and intent of the MTCR with the 1966 Outer Space Treaty would be a good place to start. Banning ballistic missiles yet maintaining space launch capability are not mutually exclusive objectives. The technologies might be similar, but the employment methodologies are not. Military ballistic missiles are deployed in secrecy and rapidly prepared for launch. Space launch vehicles are operated in full transparency, on declared schedules with announced objectives. If the list of technologies currently controlled by the MTCR was expanded to include all technologies associated with missile launch activity, and access to such technologies made conditional on their use in declared, carefully monitored space launchings controlled by a binding international treaty, it would be possible to rid the world of the scourge of global nuclear attack by not only removing the nuclear weapons but also the most effective means of their delivery. Obama and others who criticize North Korea and Iran would do well to reflect on such a possibility the next time they embark on the ineffective and hypocritical path of assailing those who simply seek to acquire what we already have—whether it be nuclear weapons, nuclear technology, ballistic missiles or space launch capability.

Scott Ritter was a U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 to 1998 and a U.S. Marine intelligence officer. He is author of “Target Iran” (Nation Books, 2006) and the forthcoming “On Dangerous Ground: Following the Path of America’s Failed Arms Control Policy,” also published by Nation Books. 

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By firefly, April 22, 2009 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

Excellent and interesting article. Sadly, it only confirms my distrust and cynicism over the West’s (led by the US and joined by Israel) growing double standards.

The leaders of the western world consistently seem to be playing a game of school yard bully, ganging up against other nations as and when it feels like it, despite there being absolutely no sound rational at all.

It is hard to understand what goes on behind the scenes; why Obama and European leaders are all ‘playing’ along with this duplicitous pretence.

Why does Israel have such a hold over the West and the UN?
Why is it possible to get western leaders to unanimously condemn North Korea, Russia and Iran, but turn a blind eye to the contraventions of Israel and the West?
Who really is in control and by what means?
Are we really supposed to accept that leaders of small Eastern European countries and Africa can be fairly punished under international law, whilst the crimes of the US and Western Europe go unpunished? What kind of world do we live in?

There are so many unanswered questions.

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By Francine Last, April 22, 2009 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment
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This is an excellent and interesting article. Sadly, it only confirms my distrust and cynicism over the West’s (led by the US and joined by Israel) growing double standards.

The leaders of the western world consistently seem to be playing a game of school yard bully, ganging up against other nations as and when it feels like it, despite there being absolutely no sound rational at all.

It is hard to understand what goes on behind the scenes; why Obama and European leaders are all ‘playing’ along with this duplicitous pretence.

Why does Israel have such a hold over the West and the UN?
Why is it possible to get western leaders to unanimously condemn North Korea, Russia and Iran, but turn a blind eye to the contraventions of Israel and the West?
Who really is in control and by what means?
Are we really supposed to accept that leaders of small Eastern European countries and Africa can be fairly punished under international law, whilst the crimes of the US and Western Europe go unpunished? What kind of world do we live in?

There are so many unanswered questions.

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By Trithoverlies, April 21, 2009 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

So don’t condemn the crime leave him alone and he will slowely fade away well they said the same thing about Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin but how many did they murder before being destroyed? 30 million, Oh’ and what about Chairman Mao 50 million or Pol Pot 1.5 million, what about Ruwanda 1 million Chad
1 million, Sudan 300,000 to 400,000 Kim has had 1.5 million starve because his need for compleat control so stop giving these monster passes on their deeds. It is alright to forgive the repentant but those who continue to live in their sins agaisnt humanity the above formentioned and Osama Ben Ladin, Ayatolah Khamenie, Amahenajad, Hugo Chevez, and Vladamier Putin are cut from the same cloth. do we want war with North Korea No, with Iran No, Hugo No, Putin No, Chad or Sudan No. but the days of isolationist policies are dead and they didn’t work then they want work now. Talking to dictators who only want to make us look like baffoons, or in to many cases want our utter destruction is nothing but playing into the hands of the radicals, the Facist, and the powermongers.
        Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
          John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. Its not that North Korea will launch its own missles with warheads it who they will sell the plans to such as Iran, Syria, or Al Queda. We lose the Persian Gulf we lose 75% of the oil we need in this country we lose the Production hub in Alaska we lose almost half of our demestic production what will you do than? burn wood oh’ thats bad for the Environment, use Solar oh’ with out oil there can be no solar, wind without oil we can’t produce enough through wind power so why should we care about these two bit dictators becuase with nuclear weapons they endanger all of us rich middle class poor.

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By AFriend, April 21, 2009 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

JackPine,

I’m curious. You first wrote that no serious analyst believes Iran could be close to obtaining a nuclear weapon, however, you now say it’s a subjective matter left to the individual analyst or intelligence consumer.

Would you be kind enough to explain your vacillation? I’m trying to understand.

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Again; it appears that the best intelligence the world has puts an estimate of 1 to 7 years for Iran to obtain a working nuclear weapon. That seems close to me. You write that it is a long time, however, and I believe you understand well when I point out, that in reality it’s a blink of an eye.

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By jackpine savage, April 21, 2009 at 4:59 am Link to this comment

But, hey, be my guest…rally for war against N. Korea and send the boys in.  We’ve proven ourselves so adept at winning wars in the 21st century, N. Korea should be no problem.

Another note, a large number of S. Koreans (perhaps even the majority) do not want to see Kim’s regime fall in the manner of E. Germany.  It has to do with Social rules of behavior and Confucianism.  What the US hopes (and works) for would have disastrous consequences on S. Korea.

I know, we’re Americans…damn the consequences we’re fighting for what’s “right” (without context or proof, but no matter; it’s right because we say so and America is always right)

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By jackpine savage, April 21, 2009 at 4:55 am Link to this comment

Every student riot in S. Korea was fomented by N. Korea?  Oh come on.  S. Korea was a military dictatorship until the late 1990’s…go ahead, ask a Korean.  Facts about what the S. Korean government (with the blessing of the US) did to its own people are still coming out.  Most of those student riots were about protesting the military dictatorship.

The N. Koreans have killed far fewer US servicemen than US servicemen have killed innocent S. Koreans…you know, running little girls over with tanks, stabbing cab drivers to death in downtown Seoul.

I won’t deny that Kim represents a minor threat to US hegemony, but its a minor threat and it wouldn’t even be one if we weren’t so concerned with being a hegemon.

I’ll repeat: i lived within walking distance of the DMZ for two years.  I’ve been inside the DMZ.  I’ve been to the NLL.  Go spend some time in S. Korea and then tell us what a threat Kim is to everything that we hold dear.

That same NIE has been parsed multiple ways.  And again, 1-7 years (assuming that they’re after a weapon) is a long time, and it is not the same as having a warhead.

Moreover, Iran’s work is clearly a deterrent move to protect itself against Israel…a nation that does not let inspectors in or even admit to its stockpile of weapons.

Read Cheryl Rofer at whirledview; she’s a chemist with a long history of government work on nuclear issues.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 21, 2009 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

By Virginia777, April 20 at 9:57 pm #

wow, there are a lot of trolls here, defending was with Iran and North Korea,

sick!!!
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As opposed to gnomes dropping little ‘toads’ like this on various threads.

I’ve been called a lot of things on TD but “troll” is probably the weirdest and least appropriate.

And, BTW, I’ve been a strong advocate AGAINST war with Iran and/or North Korea.

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By AFriend, April 21, 2009 at 4:36 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

I can only suggest you read the IAEA reporting yourself. These reports have consistently indicated that Iran’s claims of a “civilian nuclear program” are “inconsistent with it’s lack of transparency” and the “various materials” Iran “attempts to procure”.

You can also read the latest National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) produced by the 16 U.S. Intelligence agencies for the Obama administration.

According to the latest NIE intelligence reporting from France, Germany, Poland, China, Russia, and Turkey are consistent with the U.S. intelligence community.

Reportedly Iran could, with it’s current cascade of centrifuges, produce enough high grade uranium to build a “operational nuclear devise” within 1 to 7 years.

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You are correct about 2003. It appears that Iran may have “halted or slowed” it’s nuclear materials procurement activities while the Bush administration was directing military activities to remove Saddam Hussein from Iraq. But, it seems, much may have changed in the past 6 years.

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By Virginia777, April 20, 2009 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment

make that Wars with Iran and North Korea

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By Virginia777, April 20, 2009 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment

wow, there are a lot of trolls here, defending was with Iran and North Korea,

sick!!!

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By Night-Gaunt, April 20, 2009 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

I recall that just before the second attack on Iraq the Bush/Cheney Axis of Evil floated the idea that Saddam was just “a year to two years away from a nuclear weapon” as the psychological build up to the war. The only difference is that Iran is quite a bit larger with three times the population and an attack by Israel or USA would join them all together. To rally around their flag in national unity if such a terrible thing were to happen.

2003 the Supreme Iyatolla Ali Kameni (the real leader of Iran) stated in no uncertain terms that his interpretation of the Koran lets them have nuclear energy generation but not nulcear weapons as all projects were cancelled. The UN IAEA checked it out and agreed. The same ones that proved in 1998 that Iraq had no nukes or bio or chem warfare capability. How does that square with your data Afreind?

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By AFriend, April 20, 2009 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,

I have little understanding or explanation as to why anyone would suggest that N.Korea has not been aggressive in it’s neighborhood and around the globe.

We also can’t forget N. Korea has been the most prolific in counterfeiting world currency. Especially the U.S. dollar.

I could be wrong but, it seems if people don’t see the threat, as in large troops movements, they assume there is no real danger.

Let it not be said we have not been warned for several decades. Not unlike bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, the Muslim Brotherhood, Abu Sayyef and others.

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By AFriend, April 20, 2009 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

JackPine,

I’m curious. You first wrote that no serious analyst believes Iran could be close to obtaining a nuclear weapon, however, you now say it’s a subjective matter left to the individual analyst or intelligence consumer.

Would you be kind enough to explain your vacillation? I’m trying to understand.

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Again; it appears that the best intelligence the world has puts an estimate of 1 to 7 years for Iran to obtain a working nuclear weapon. That seems close to me.

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By Trithoverlies, April 20, 2009 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

First of all Kim is unpredictable second the North Koreans have attempted on numerious occasions to ferment trouble in the South almost every student riot that has taken place in the South was caused by North Korean Agents. What about the American soldiers gunned down along the border over the years,and the taking of the ship in international waters in 1968 you may have a short memory but I don’t and Kim is not the worst but just one of several dangers. The real danger he is really stands on the sell of Nuclear secrets to Syria, Iran, and Anyone else he can get to pay his price. I will also say that if he sees a way to regain the South while we are bogged down in economic woes he will take it.
          Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
            John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By AFriend, April 20, 2009 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

It seems the best intelligence has reported that A.Q. Kahn and N. Korea collaborated in both warhead and missile design technology. It appears as though Kahn was shut down by the Bush administration before N. Korea could perfect it’s delivery system.

Reportedly N. Korea has been known to share it’s nuclear devise knowledge with Iran, Syria and Libya (according to the Libyan’s after Qaddafi surrendered their weapons to the Bush Administration).

It’s interesting that the previous five U.S. Presidents, the previous seven British PM’s, China, Russia, Japan, S. Korea, Poland, Australia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, and about a dozen more all have repeatedly warned that N. Korea is a threat but, there are still some who wish to deny this.

And, as I ask Dr. Ritter in this post, why was he so very supportive of the United Nations when the U.N. ran counter to Western interests, however, he condemns the collective U.N. body when it’s in N. Korea’s interest? It’s curious and I wish he could explain the dichotomy.

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By jackpine savage, April 20, 2009 at 5:10 am Link to this comment

Since 1953, how many attacks has N. Korea launched on its southern neighbor?  How many attacks has it launched on anyone?  Kim isn’t unpredictable.  You can set your watch by his antics: as soon as the world stops paying attention he does something to get its attention, but never goes so far as to really do something.

Making a huge deal out of his failure to achieve his goals gives him exactly what he wants.  It takes them years to put together a single missile, and they’ve yet to get one to work.  Moreover, it’s liquid fueled so everyone knows when he’s about to try and launch a rocket.

In regards to both N. Korea and Iran, building a nuclear device is not that hard.  Building a warhead out of a nuclear device is incredibly difficult…like lathing nuclear explosives, for example.

As for intelligence estimates, it mostly depends which agency is doing the writing and who’s doing the interpreting of that writing for public consumption.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 19, 2009 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment

According to several global intelligence sources, including the collective reports from the U.S. Intelligence community released last month, Iran is between 1 to seven years away from having an operational nuclear devise if the fissile material is in any way available.

The same intelligence agencies are today reporting that Iran does have the capability to produce enough highly enriched uranium to produce it’s first nuclear devise within one year.
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“if the fissile material is in any way available.”

That’s really the key, isn’t it? 

Am I the ONLY one that remembers when a High School kid as his Senior Thesis came up with a working plan for a nuclear device IF the fissionable material could be obtained?  LOTS of foreign governments tried to approach him about his paper and the US Military ended up classifying it.

See, I figure that ANY nation short of Zimbabwe or Congo could develop a nuclear device IF they had sufficient U-235 or plutonium.  What’s amazing is that NK’s nuclear attempt FAILED!  Hell, India and Pakistan had NO trouble creating workable devices, and, like most, I’m convinced Israel has them too.

The science just isn’t as out-there or secret as it was in 1940, nearly 70 years ago.  You can’t keep a technology secret for 60 or 70 years, especially if it’s known to exist (ie, Hiroshima and Nagasaki).  It’s just not possible.

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 19, 2009 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

y AFriend, April 19 at 9:06 pm #

1 to 7 years seems close.
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You’re no friend of truth or justice!

Why don’t you dwell for a while on your beloved Zionist Israel, which is not 1 to 7 years away from nuclear capabilities, but it has over 200 nuclear bombs for many years now. A situation that increasingly made them the bullies and the most notorious terrorist entity of modern times! Their capacity for murder, destruction and terrorism was displayed year after year for all the world to see, except for blind people like you!

If you don’t have a sense of shame, truth and justice, you can post all the crap you want!

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By AFriend, April 19, 2009 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

JackPine,

“Iran does not have nuclear weapons capability and no serious analysis of the situation suggests that they are even close. “

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According to several global intelligence sources, including the collective reports from the U.S. Intelligence community released last month, Iran is between 1 to seven years away from having an operational nuclear devise if the fissile material is in any way available.

The same intelligence agencies are today reporting that Iran does have the capability to produce enough highly enriched uranium to produce it’s first nuclear devise within one year.

1 to 7 years seems close.

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Are you arguing that people have nothing to fear from N. Korean attempts to build, what are essentially ICBM’s, because so far they have not obtained them? No need for concern. N. Korea is under control?

You appear to be arguing that one of the worlds most unpredictable governments can be trusted no to do something unpredictable.

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By marta, April 19, 2009 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
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I grew up hearing about how Hitler invading, and firing on other countries, and the reaction from our country, but now, it is our country doing the invasions, and firing Drones into others, because Bush gave himself the permission, and Obama, is following, but have nerve to get upset, concerning Korea launching a missile. I suppose the US, and Israel, are the only ones allowed to play hitler.

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By Larry Oswald, April 19, 2009 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment
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Too bad the quality of the comments here come nowhere close to the quality of Scott Ritter’s article. As to the article, Scott shows a historian’s perspective on a contemporaneous situation. So much of humanity seems incapable of imagining things from other than their own point of view, and then discussing or acting on that alternate perspective.

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By jackpine savage, April 19, 2009 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

Trithoverlies,

That’s satire, right? 

The N. Korean missile doesn’t work very well; they have not married the ability to produce a nuclear explosion with building a functional warhead; and since they know a strike against the US will provoke massive retaliation they are unlikely to actually use the weapon if/when it works.

Iran does not have nuclear weapons capability and no serious analysis of the situation suggests that they are even close.  Moreover, there is no indication that they intend to use such a weapon against Israel in a first strike.  Again, there would obviously be overwhelming retaliation.

Finally, approximately two people have made the claim that Pakistan is about to fall under the sway of the Taliban…and they’re both contradicted by facts.

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By AFriend, April 19, 2009 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah,

You certainly have the right to be angry when the situation calls for it. Your hatred, however, is very rapidly killing you. Not only is it rapidly killing you but it also ails all those around you.

You’re currently unable to contribute in any meaningful way. It’s time to first put that anger and hatred away.

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By Trithoverlies, April 19, 2009 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

Listen the Missle launched by North korea has the ability to destroy our one best source of production of oil so this is a threat not a bunch of Hypperbole. We seem to forget this regime has starved to death nearly 3 million of its own people so they coulds have the Sixth largest Military in the world so yes there is room for worry and now that they may have between 5, and 8 Nuke warheads if we don’t worry we ar being ignorant. On the other end Iran has launched two satilites and has the missles with the range of hitting Televiv which is a multicultural city and one of Israels largest population wise. Iran will soon marry the warheads to the missles and than will be able to threatened the whole Persian Gulf region and Israel and even some parts of Europe so why worry what a foolish noition? We had better worry Pakistan is falling apart and will leave Nuclear tipped missles in the hands of the Talhaban, and Al Queda. Will it take the destruction of an American city with 3 to 4 million dead to wake us up to the evil that is loose in those three parts of the world I pray not because it will be to late than.
            Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
              John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. what would cripple America quick the loss of 50 % of her demestic oil production what would tilt the balence of power a Nuclear Iran holding the strangle point of Oil Production, and Al Queda with their hands on Nukes. Our Enemy are already 8 moves ahead of us on this chess match of life and death we either must give up or fight them it is simple surrender to slavery or death or fight their evil intent.

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By bEHOLD_tHE_mATRIX, April 19, 2009 at 11:11 am Link to this comment
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The US will always have enemies.  That is the way our MIC is geared.  To have no enemies is failed policy.

Keep the electorate looking outward not inward for their necessary objects of disdain.

The inevitable break up of the US may be the only road to world peace.

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By jackpine savage, April 19, 2009 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Indeed, samosamo, indeed.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 19, 2009 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

My recommendation was for both of you, press the “report this” if you feel wronged. Going into a vituperative tirade void of meaningful content isn’t. Sure Fadel you can be angry but understand being angry all of the time is unhealthy and the way real fights are started because such continuous anger shuts down the higher centers of the brain leaving the more primitive and violent parts to reign free. Don’t confuse anger with passion. This goes for everybody and since you post on this forum we all can get in on it. No special treatment for anybody. I doubt if Gore Vidal has the kind of anger you do. Try emulating him.

Please point out to me where Mr. Vidal acts the way you do and I will shut up on the matter?

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By samosamo, April 19, 2009 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

I bet ritter is shaking his head at what the discussion here has turned to now. If someone wanted to disrupt the discourse, it couldn’t have been achieved any better.

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 19, 2009 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

By AFriend, April 19 at 11:51 am #

“What I wrote in my previous post was for you alone. Your hatred is rapidly killing you. It’s time to put it away.”
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Here we go again AFriend! You forget that I have a birth right to be angry when the situation calls for it. You wrongly and pointedly insist on calling it “hatred” as if hatred is an inborn quality with certain people who are less civilized than you. Like all humans I love or hate according to situations which or people who deserve my love or hate. Your attempt at lecturing me that you’re more concerned about my health is both pretentious and un-welcomed patronizing!

Thank you “doctor”! Why don’t you heal thyself?!

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By AFriend, April 19, 2009 at 8:51 am Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah,

You misunderstand. My observations regarding your unhealthy hatred comes from a few of your previous posts. Mediating is not my intention. In fact I have little idea what the thread conversation has been here and, have no idea who started what(following the running drama on comment boards is a waste of time).


Fadel, honestly I no longer read your posts. You’re an angry young man with an angry point of view I can read in countless places on the net. And while I believe you may have a learned point of view to share you waste it with your delivery.

What I wrote in my previous post was for you alone. Your hatred is rapidly killing you. It’s time to put it away.

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 19, 2009 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

To the Zionists, bigots and half-truthers on these threads, I’d rather be intellectually in the company of the giant Gore Vidal, and I am proud of being the enemy of the monkeys who attack me! Dare to listen to the 10-minute Youthtube video linked below!
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By PSmith, April 18 at 3:50 pm #

GORE VIDAL - YOUR FUTURE - BLACK, NATURALLY

@ Fadel Abdallah, April 17 at 3:39 pm #

> I have mixed feelings about the so-called “Teabag” protests.

> The fact that they took place on April 15, the day of the year I hate most because I believe that we are overtaxed and our taxes are used for imperial wars and to benefit Wall Street and the military-industrial complex.

You have excellent judgement FA - Gore Vidal agrees with you exactly. From 1995.

Gore Vidal with Patt Morrison - 1995. Or today - Your future - Black, naturally, it is Gore Vidal after all -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L54H8HUNZZs

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 19, 2009 at 4:22 am Link to this comment

To Night-Gaunt and AFriend:

You are not fair-minded in your false attempts at mediating between ITW and me. You both ignore the fact that he is the one who started this by attacking me first.

You’re the typical white European, possibly Anglo-Saxons, whose sense of what’s fair is always colored by arrogance and a false sense of superiority and civility. Weren’t your ancestors who came to this land that once belonged to the Natives and annihilated them?! Deep behind your superficial words of trying to mediate peace lurks a subtle bigotry and hate for my name and the thought I stand for.

Please stay out of this business of false mediation, warning or advice (whatever you call it) for you’re not qualified for this due to your lack of impartiality!

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By Inherit The Wind, April 18, 2009 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, April 18 at 6:36 pm #

On all of his rants against you where he calls you names and threatens you press the “Report This” and they will get the idea and maybe Fadel will cool his jets into civility. Otherwise just don’t acknowledge him and he will get the idea or get tired and move on.
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I did that, too. You are a good man, N-G, and I say that despite disagreeing with you repeatedly, if not most of the time.

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By AFriend, April 18, 2009 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah,

Your are a young man with your whole life ahead of you. But you’re not invincible. My sincerest warning to you.

Your hatred is very rapidly killing you. It’s time to put it away.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 18, 2009 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

On all of his rants against you where he calls you names and threatens you press the “Report This” and they will get the idea and maybe Fadel will cool his jets into civility. Otherwise just don’t acknowledge him and he will get the idea or get tired and move on.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 18, 2009 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

N-G

Maybe you are right.  But I’m not threatening him—he’s threatening me.  Not that I’m frightened—his threats are like anonymous phone calls—designed to vaunt and frighten, but no substance.

Hey, I can’t help having an ugly face. But my beautiful wife thinks it’s handsome which counts for everything. So if some bitter, dumb self-exiled middle-aged man thinks my face is ugly, so what?  Hey, Fatal: I’m overweight, too!  So I’m both fat AND ugly. BFD!

You are out of Palestine either because you CHOOSE to be.  Period.  You are in the USA because you WANT to be. Period. If you were wanted by the Israeli police, you wouldn’t BE in the US.  And, why the US? The ally of Israel?  Why aren’t you in Egypt or Syria or Saudi?

See Fatal? Your story is BS. It doesn’t make sense. You are here to suck from the golden tit, that’s all, not because the Israelis drove you out—or you wouldn’t be here. We don’t LIKE to take in people Israel wants to arrest. But all your stories, like your twisted “history” of which you claim to be a scholar are all BS.

N-G:  Sorry, but his continued wishes for my death and threats to kill me go over the line—I can’t help baiting a fool like that.

Of course, they are about as real as my sub-space anti-matter-powered space-time disruption rifle…

Calling Marvin the Martian!

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By Night-Gaunt, April 18, 2009 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah & Inherit The Wind need to tone it down. Don’t take it so personally as some affront to your lives. It is unnecessary and unproductive. Fadel just ignore him instead of stoking the flames and harassing him by calling him names. ITW you escalate some too by responding in a negative way. This is how stupid, murderous actions start. Please, both of you go to your respective corners and have a ‘time out’ for awhile, okay? Ever thought of that? You both need to. You don’t put out a fire by adding accelerants and blowing on it. You put water on it and smother it of oxygen. Please keep both of your egos in check and the rest of us can get on with the forum. Thank you both. Peace.

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 18, 2009 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, April 18 at 8:34 am #

Few more points addressed to the deaf, dump and blind who inherited a lot of hot air:

1. Your beloved terrorist Israel is the most repressive and fascist regime in the world, armed to the teeth with our taxpayers money weapons of mass destruction, including some 200 nuclear heads. North Koreans are angels in comparison.

2. You know why I am here! But because you’re stupid dumb I will repeat it for the hundred times, so per chance your slow brain might get it. I am here because of my bad fate, brought upon me by your beloved terrorist Israel who occupied my land and thus I was forced into exile. At the time I was young and idealistic and I didn’t want to stay and fight the enemy to kill and get killed. But now, it’s too late for me to do that and thus I live further burdened by regrets.

3. Nevertheless, even at this advance age if you’re willing to ship to your terrorist Israel and join the fascist terrorists, I promise to leave, especially if I know that I will be having a face to face battlefield encounter with your evil ugly face. Beyond your cowardly attacks on me from behind a fake name and unknown address, do you have the slightest courage to commit to such an agreement so you and I can face each other where the real battlefield is?!

4. Because of your unbound hatred and bigotry you are obsessed with my name and what I stand for. In an earlier post you said,

“Y’know, I’d be right there with you, Scott, on this except for one teensy-weensy thing…”

So when I agree with Scott Ritter and write a post to that effect, you attack me; yet you earlier wrote agreeing with him. However, when I wrote in agreement with Scott Ritter you come out as a rabid dog. Can’t you just take few minutes to reflect on how sick are you and how obsessive are you with my name and thought!

5. Unless you really are looking for trouble, I warn you again to stop harassing me and following me obsessively on these threads. It’s bad enough for me to know that I am sharing one continent and one planet with a sick sociopath like you!

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By jackpine savage, April 18, 2009 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

ItW,

I didn’t say that the reasoning was correct.  I was just describing pretty common feelings on the Korean peninsula.  And it’s not forgotten, partly because a fair number of the “comfort women” are still alive.  They protest outside of the Japanese embassy on the first Wednesday of every month.  It might be easier for you to let it go than for the person who’s grandmother was forced into prostitution.

I had Koreans tell me that they loved the US because we nuked Japan.

The thing is that Kim isn’t that dangerous.  I lived within walking distance of the DMZ for two years and only heard about the threat of Kim Jong-il from US sources.  I’d get worried emails from home, but my boss never got called back into the army nor did any Korean that i met in that time express any worry.

I’ve been inside the DMZ at a location most likely to be front and center in a real, hot war.  And i managed to brush against the NLL in a fishing boat.  I have to think that if the threats were so real, i probably wouldn’t have been allowed to do these things.

This is about the US needing enemies to define itself and needing a reason to keep 37,000 troops stationed in S. Korea. (Along with retaining command and control over all ROK military forces.)

And the most vocal cries from Japan are from its extreme right that wants to rebuild the Japanese military into an offensive capable organization.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 18, 2009 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah, April 17 at 11:48 pm #

By Inherit The Wind, April 17 at 8:15 pm #

“That’s even dumber than Fadel CELEBRATING that one of the most repressive regimes in the world is expanding its military capability.  Fadel, why BOTHER to live in the USA if you HATE everything about it other than the money…oh….because you love the money.”
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I am glad I am in the company of Scott Ritter and I am a sworn enemy of the ever EVIL and REACTIONARY ITW. Let it be known, f…n bloody Zionist, that there will never ever be reconciliation between me and EVIL REACTIONARY bogey moron like you! For the last time I warn you to bring my name up when I am not addressing you, unless you really enjoy being called the filthy Zionist you are!!!

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For the last time you warn me?

Are you threatening me, Fadel? That surely sounds like a threat.  And how, pray tell, are you going to carry out your threats against me? 

Or is this Fadel doing one of his macho posing acts again?  At this point I can truly say you don’t frighten me, Fadel. Be happy you don’t.  I just see you as a clown. That’s a good thing.  Remain a clown.

And I’ll bring up your name any damn time I wish.  In fact, now I have an incentive.  You’ve called me every damn name under the sun, even publicly wished me dead. What can you call me you haven’t called me?  Called me a dog.  I don’t get that(?)  I like dogs a lot and I’d much rather be around MY dog than you.

Threatening people shows us EXACTLY what Fadel is: A tyrannical religious fanatic who seeks to shut down disagreement by force and violence.  It is men like him that created the terrorists in the first place.  He hates America yet he has sucked at its tit for 30 years. He must hate himself for that too.

Go back to your Eden in the Middle East. America isn’t good enough for the likes of you and we can manage just fine without one Fadel Abdullah.

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By samosamo, April 17, 2009 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, April 17 at 10:53 pm

Good for you and we will make you dean of History University of War. But you are playing averages and what is happening with china and japan and taiwan of late has very much a lot to do with japan’s invasion of china and the atrocities to the chinese people. Here is a link that indicates a certain amount of friction and wariness of china toward japan still, with taiwan in the middle. It does not necessarily mean war but it does warn of possible uncoming conflict that may yet happen, but hopefully cooler heads will prevail:

http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/8/1/4/4/pages181444/p181444-1.php

Russia also has a some grievancies from invasions of the past and are ready to ‘launch on command’ but as you average it, there has not been any more hostilities, for now. But the whole world could explode into conflict at any time and when fighting starts, it isn’t too hard to remember what was once done to one or the other for more reasons to fight.
So, whatever you proclaim, there are a lot of people that don’t forget and if conflict starts, past atrocities can insite bitter fighting. Or am I wrong and the whole world is just cruising along in a mary poppins kind of disney land?

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By Inherit The Wind, April 17, 2009 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

samosamo, April 17 at 10:15 pm #

By Inherit The Wind, April 17 at 8:15 pm

My, how rude. Of course you don’t remember but there are other nations the have not forgotten the japanese imperial war against them. YOU DON’T DICTATE HOW AND WHEN THEY JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. Also seems you don’t know much about wwII and japanese occupation and genocide in china, phillippines, korea and the attack on pearl harbour(which was allowed to happen to get us into the war[sound familiar?] and so american doesn’t for get.
I wish I could name them, but several wars were fought throughout history where a country regained their sovereignty and later attacked that conquering nation. Live with it, it ain’t new.

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Yeah, that’s me—the rude boy.  I know fully well about the Rape of Nanking, the genocide, etc. I’m pretty up on my WWII history, in case you hadn’t notice.

I also know that EVERY time a country started a war to avenge one from 20 or more years ago they were sorry.  The Germans won WWI—but they didn’t do it until 1940.  Unfortunately for them, it was WWII at the time…

It is an AMERICAN principle that we do not accept “corruption of the blood”—guilt doesn’t pass like property from parent to child.  To whit: The people in Japan who brought about the war and the attrocities are all LONG dead.

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By samosamo, April 17, 2009 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, April 17 at 8:15 pm

My, how rude. Of course you don’t remember but there are other nations the have not forgotten the japanese imperial war against them. YOU DON’T DICTATE HOW AND WHEN THEY JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. Also seems you don’t know much about wwII and japanese occupation and genocide in china, phillippines, korea and the attack on pearl harbour(which was allowed to happen to get us into the war[sound familiar?] and so american doesn’t for get.
I wish I could name them, but several wars were fought throughout history where a country regained their sovereignty and later attacked that conquering nation. Live with it, it ain’t new.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 17, 2009 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

samosamo, April 17 at 7:03 pm #

By jackpine savage, April 17 at 6:53 pm

I would say that it was the imperial army and the prostitution but don’t leave china out of that ‘hate japan’ club, there are other countries that had to suffer from the japanese in wwII and with no apologies forth coming.
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Oh, that makes sense…Commit acts of war because of war crimes that took place 70 years ago under a different government.

That’s even dumber than Fadel CELEBRATING that one of the most repressive regimes in the world is expanding its military capability.  Fadel, why BOTHER to live in the USA if you HATE everything about it other than the money…oh….because you love the money.

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By Big B, April 17, 2009 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

NK has once again proved another old atomic axiom, and that is that the Bomb is not so much an offensive weapon, but it is the best defensive weapon ever created. It kept the west and the east from annihilating each other in the cold war, it keeps Israel from being overrun by the arabs, and it has kept India from slaughtering Pakistan. I would have never have thought that the Bomb would have been an instrament of peace, but here we are. It is currently the only thing keeping us from tea-bagging NK.

Oh, I guess if one guy with a bomb goes bonkers the whole thing could go shit. It’s not like there’s a lot of loonies out their, right?

Right?

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By samosamo, April 17, 2009 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

By jackpine savage, April 17 at 6:53 pm

I would say that it was the imperial army and the prostitution but don’t leave china out of that ‘hate japan’ club, there are other countries that had to suffer from the japanese in wwII and with no apologies forth coming.

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By jackpine savage, April 17, 2009 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

Kim wanted attention and got it.  He’s not serious about starting a war: not with S. Korea, not with the US and not with Japan.  (Though launching over Japan is part of the point; the majority in both halves of the Korean peninsula hate Japan…might be the brutal occupation or the forcing women to be prostitutes for the Imperial Army or the refusal to apologize for any of it.)

If Kim wanted to start a war, he’d start one in the disputed West (Yellow) Sea Islands.

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 17, 2009 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

Thank you Scott Ritter for providing the technical information on the North Korean Satellite and for comparing it with the more sophisticated one launched earlier by Japan.

And thank you for titling your piece as “The West’s Hysterical Reaction to North Korea.” This is indeed a fitting description of this irrational and split vision reaction of the West. However, I would like to add that this Western irrational hysteria to the launching of the North Korean Satellite must also be described as the ultimate hypocrisy of the West and its manipulated vehicle; the so-called Security Council. 

I personally hail the launching of the North Korean Satellite not only as welcomed scientific achievement on the part of a small poor but proud country, but also as a lesson in courage and defiance against the arrogant, manipulative, and hypocrisy of the Western powers intent always on domination of the world!

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By Inherit The Wind, April 17, 2009 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

Y’know, I’d be right there with you, Scott, on this except for one teensy-weensy thing…

Didn’t the NK test violate Japanese air space?  And why didn’t you discuss that and explain why that’s OK?

See, that’s the problem I have….

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By Night-Gaunt, April 17, 2009 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

Mr. Ritter does us a service that we wouldn’t find in a CMSM blog or TV show.

President Obama is a change of face but not a change of pace in this world. From “clean coal” to following the same reasons as the Bush administration on holding illegally imprisoned people he is without much change. Oh he is for green jobs and lifted the ban on tax payer funded stem cell research but the proto-facist and pro-corporate elements implemented during the last 18 years are still intact. With no signs he will remove them. If you tortured under the pretense that it was ‘legal’ by a Nazi-style State department then it is ‘okay’ and you are free and clear to continue on. That is against Nuremburge and three treaties that are our law he is violating by doing this. He is using his knowledge of the Constitution to subvert it. The darkness continues to fall over us & by extension the world.

He must be using the ‘Axis of Evil’ to treat those that are designated as our enemies get different treatment because they are our enemies! Tautology intended.

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By samosamo, April 17, 2009 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

I really think obama would benefit if he would find a place in his administration for Scott Ritter, namely, Secretary of State. Until hillbillie hillary is dismissed obama should at least take Ritter’s advice and expertise into his decisions. I still don’t think Ritter is a corporate lackey and I don’t think anyone else is as knowledgable about the potential dangers of foreign countries, real or imagined.

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By tom giacalone, April 17, 2009 at 7:40 am Link to this comment
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“...Besides which, where is the pandemonium when Japan, Pakistan, Israel, India, Russia and the U.S. refine, test and launch their own ballistic missiles?”

We’re supposed to accept the theory that those countries aren’t quite as crazy as Korea. (Didn’t you get the memo?)

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By AFriend, April 17, 2009 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

Mr. Ritter,

I struggle to understand your logic. And, I have read all your books.

Your logic appears to falter when, on the one hand, you condemn the United States and others for not following the collective will of the United Nations, but then you turn that logic around when you so forcefully support N. Korea against the will of the United Nations.

And all this when I’m sure that you too get the sense that the United Nations is full of thugs and thieves. You know about the billions siphoned from the “oil for food” programme. You are aware of the serial rape by U.N. Peace Keepers scattered around the globe. And I’m sure you’re aware of the horrible record of the U.N. Human Rights Committee.

Can you write a few words explaining these dichotomies?

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By everynobody, April 17, 2009 at 7:02 am Link to this comment
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Right on Ritter; so what’s NK going to do? What’s Iran going to do? Attack somebody/country and thereby guarantee their annihilation? Get real and calm down. Much ado about absolutely nothing, IMO.
These countries want dialogue and to be treated with respect and we’ve shown a very bad example of how to accomplish that. EOM.

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By eileen fleming, April 17, 2009 at 5:37 am Link to this comment

Another “missing link in Obama’s call for a nuclear-free world.”


On April 5, 2009, in Prague President Obama said:


“As the only nuclear power to have used a nuclear weapon, the United States has a moral responsibility to act…It will take patience and persistence. But now we, too, must ignore the voices who tell us that the world cannot change. We have to insist, “Yes, we can.”

“Words must mean something…There is violence and injustice in our world that must be confronted. We must confront it by standing together as free nations, as free people. I know that a call to arms can stir the souls of men and women more than a call to lay them down. But that is why the voices for peace and progress must be raised together…

“Human destiny will be what we make of it…Let us honor our past by reaching for a better future. Let us bridge our divisions, build upon our hopes, and accept our responsibility to leave this world more prosperous and more peaceful than we found it. Together we can do it.”


Mordechai Vanunu has been singing the same song since 1986 when he told the world Israel had upwards of 200 nuclear warheads and paid with 18 years in jail-most all in solitary.

On April 21, 2009 the 5th year of restrictions that deny Vanunu the RIGHT to leave the state and the RIGHT to speak to non Israelis expires.


Israel has never allowed IAEA inspectors into the Dimona nor have they signed the NPT.

When the USA demands Israel open up the Dimona to inspections then Obama’s words will really mean something.


Eileen Fleming, Founder of WAWA: http://www.wearewideawake.org/

Author “Keep Hope Alive” and “Memoirs of a Nice Irish American ‘Girl’s’ Life in Occupied Territory”

I produced “30 Minutes With Vanunu” and “13 Minutes with Vanunu” because corporate media has been MIA all during a Freedom of Speech Trial in Israel.

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By dihey, April 17, 2009 at 5:28 am Link to this comment

Great to hear from you Scott! You were bulls-eye correct on Iraq. I am sure that you are bulls-eye correct on this issue also. Thanks for your information!

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By marta kaye, April 17, 2009 at 5:24 am Link to this comment
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Concerning Korea, and misilles, the US, and certain other countries, wish to be the only ones to be allowed to have,- and to use them, especially the US, and Israel.  Easier to be the dictators!

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By Ivan Hentschel, April 17, 2009 at 5:21 am Link to this comment
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Hypocricy, duplicity, complicity, idiocy and any other -ity or -icy you can think of all come into play in the criticisms and faux indignance. No one should be surprised and no one should pretend to be aghast. And the more you taunt and starve the rat, the more it will try to chew and claw through the sides of the box.

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By Claus-Erik Hamle, April 17, 2009 at 3:14 am Link to this comment
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According to former Trident engineer Bob Aldridge-www.plrc.org-the Pentagon aims to achieve a disarming and unanswerable first-strike capability. According to Bob Aldridge the US Navy can track and destroy all enemy submarines simultaneously. Please see the article by Keir Lieber and Daryl Press, “The Rise of US Nuclear Primacy” in the 2006 March/April issue of Foreign Affairs. Minuteman-3s and Trident-2 D5s linked to NAVSTAR obtain a CEP of 30-40 metres, enough to destroy any hard target. A First-Strike Capability won´t be complete without the missiles in Poland to shoot down any surviving Russian missiles. Even if it´s only for blackmail, the Russians may have no choice but implementing Launch On Warning.

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