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Breaking the Taboo: Why We Took On the Israel Lobby

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Posted on Oct 4, 2007
John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt.
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“The Israel Lobby” authors John J. Mearsheimer (left) and Stephen M. Walt.

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What is the lobby’s impact on U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East?

In Part II of the book, we show how the lobby has encouraged the United States to take Israel’s side in its long struggle with the Palestinians, and made it more difficult for the United States to help bring this conflict to a close. The lobby—and especially the neoconservatives within it—also played a key role in the decision to invade Iraq in 2003, although other factors (such as the September 11 attacks) were also critical in making the decision for war. The lobby has successfully pressed the Bush administration to adopt a more confrontational stance toward Syria and Iran, and encouraged it to back Israel to the hilt during the 2006 war in Lebanon. 

Why are these policies not in America’s national interest?

Backing Israel’s harsh treatment of the Palestinians has reinforced anti-Americanism around the world and almost certainly helped terrorists recruit new followers. U.S. and Israeli policy also led directly to Hamas’ growing popularity and its victory in the Palestinian elections, which made a difficult situation worse and a long-term peace settlement even more elusive. The Iraq war is a strategic disaster that has damaged America’s standing and strengthened Iran’s regional position, and now provides other terrorists with an ideal training ground. The Lebanon war enhanced Hezbollah’s position, weakened the pro-American Siniora government in Beirut, and further tarnished America’s image throughout the region. A hard-line approach to Iran helped bring President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to power but failed to halt Iran’s nuclear ambitions, and threatening Syria led Damascus to stop helping the United States against al Qaeda. None of these developments has been good for the United States.

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What is the impact on Israel’s long-term interests?

U.S. aid has indirectly subsidized Israel’s attempt to colonize the Occupied Territories, a policy that many Israelis now see as a strategic and moral disaster. Yet the lobby has made it effectively impossible for Washington to convince the Israeli government to abandon this misguided policy. The lobby’s influence has also made it harder for the United States to persuade Israel to seize opportunities—such as a peace treaty with Syria, the 2002 Saudi peace initiative, or full and complete implementation of the Oslo agreements—that would have saved Israeli lives and shrunk the number of enemies it still faces. The invasion of Iraq—which Israel and the lobby both supported—turned out to be a major boon for Iran, the country many Israelis fear most. And by pressing Congress and the Bush administration to back Israel’s ill-conceived response to Hezbollah in the summer of 2006, the lobby unwittingly facilitated a policy that damaged Israel significantly.

Do you think the upcoming 2008 presidential campaign will provide a chance for the Israel lobby’s influence to be discussed?

Regrettably, no. The candidates will undoubtedly disagree on a wide array of domestic and foreign-policy issues: health care, education, taxes, the environment, what to do in Iraq, how to deal with a rising China, etc. But the one issue on which there will be virtually no debate is the question of whether the United States should continue to give Israel unconditional backing. Even though almost everyone recognizes that U.S Middle East policy is a disaster, no serious candidate is going to suggest anything other than steadfast and largely unconditional support for Israel. Indeed, all the major candidates (Clinton, Edwards, McCain, Obama, Romney, etc.) have already expressed their strong and uncritical backing for Israel, even though the campaign is just getting underway. Not only is this situation bad for the United States, it is also not good for Israel. The United States would be a better ally if its leaders could make support for Israel more conditional and if they could give their Israeli counterparts more candid and critical advice without facing a backlash from the Israel lobby.

What in your view should the U.S.-Israel relationship look like? What should the lobby’s role be?

The United States has three strategic interests in the Middle East: maintaining the flow of Persian Gulf oil to world markets, discouraging the spread of WMD, and reducing anti-American terrorism from this region. It is also committed to Israel’s survival, but on moral rather than strategic grounds. Instead of garrisoning the region with its own troops or attempting to transform the entire region, the United States should act as an “offshore balancer.” The United States does not need to control the Middle East itself; it merely needs to prevent any hostile power(s) from controlling the region. To do that, Washington should strive to maintain a balance of power in the region and intervene with its own forces only when local actors cannot uphold the balance themselves, as it did when it liberated Kuwait in 1991.

As part of this strategy, the United States would begin to treat Israel like a normal state, rather than as the 51st state. Israel is nearly 60 years old, increasingly prosperous, and now officially recognized by the vast majority of the world’s nations. The United States should deal with it as it does with other democracies: backing Israel when its policies are consistent with U.S. interests, but opposing it when they are not. And the United States should use its considerable leverage to fashion a durable two-state solution, as it is the only outcome that is consistent with U.S. values and with the long-term interests of both America and Israel.

Achieving this shift will require overcoming the opposition from the most powerful groups in the lobby, like AIPAC and the Conference of Presidents. This goal can be achieved if there is a more open debate about the lobby’s role in shaping U.S. policy, more widespread awareness of Israel’s history and behavior, and a candid discussion within America’s pro-Israel community. Instead of trying to weaken or counter the lobby, one may hope that moderate pro-Israel organizations will become more influential, and that the leading organizations realize that the hard-line positions they have espoused in the past have been counterproductive. If these groups can bring their impressive influence to bear in more constructive ways, U.S. policy will be more in line with its national interests, and better for Israel too.


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By AFB, July 26, 2008 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

Take heed to the Bertie Russell quote on the first page of your book.

Your assertion to Chinski… “These various strategies are as American as apple pie, and there is nothing illegitimate about them.” is WRONG!

The Founding Fathers never intended for Congresspeople to earn their living working full-time year in and year out in Washington. They are supposed to have legitimate jobs and businesses back home and do this for public service. The reason this whole perverse Special Interest process can function is because our politicians are unemployable anywhere else.

We will change this by making it legal only for Special Interest groups to use their money to educate and persuade citizens who alone have the right to tell their elected officials how to vote, and cut off their contact direct contact with Legislators.

You’re smart, I like a lot of what you’re doing, but for Kennedy School and Chicago guys to say something like that, pisses me off!

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By mythbreaker, December 10, 2007 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment
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See this albatross w/Israel for exactly what it is;a highly manipulated bribe.
All very carefully packaged w/a Ringling Brothers, Barnum & Bailey circus of deceit.

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By PatrickHenry, December 10, 2007 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

Re: #119160 by Tony Wicher

Name one.

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By Tony Wicher, December 9, 2007 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

Hey, I just saw the British House of Commons led by the Prime Minister declare its warm appreciation to Israel for all the useful things they have done for the country through the years. Hear, hear! What about those guys?

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By Tony Wicher, December 9, 2007 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

#119069 by mythbreaker on 12/09 at 7:52 am

What about the U.S. government?

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By mythbreaker, December 9, 2007 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
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Israel has no friends, why?

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By Inherit The Wind, November 27, 2007 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

Aretologist on 11/25 at 9:00 am
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ITW

Instead of responding to the points I make and the issues I raise about the “normal” Jew’s problem-obsession with “control” and “domination” - you keep bickering with me like some low grade programmed robot and avoid meaningful points, while diverting attention away from the more important issues - to other issues like the Holocaust that are GFTJews.

There is no such obsession, you lunatic Nazi. There’s nothing more than a desire to make DAMN sure that the Holocaust never happens again.

And, had you bothered to READ you would know that I NEVER claim Jews are “the Chosen” people, nor have I EVER advocated ANYTHING other than a two-state solution—a Palestinian nation side-by-side with Israel.

If EVER the fanatical shit-heads on both sides (like you) could be gotten rid of, and the rest could go back to living normally, then they could FINALLY work together, which would not only be good for both, but would super-charge the the powerhouse of innovation,  enterprise, and progress. Combined with Lebanon, as an economic union, they would be incredible. In all the Middle East the ONLY other state with anything like that potential COULD be Iran. Maybe.

Naturally, all the other Arab states, and the Muslim fundamentalists, and their fellow travelers, like you, HATE the idea of such an economic union, just like you all HATE the idea of democracy in Israel, Lebanon, and the Palestinian territories—and why you work SO hard to prevent all 3 democracies from functioning.  That’s because successful democracies PROVE that the tyrants in the Arab world, both religious and secular, do NOTHING but hold their people back, in poverty and ignorance.

In a weird way, Bush was actually right about that (if we make the absurd assumption that he was actually telling the truth about what he wanted to achieve)—he just went about trying to bring it about the wrong way in the wrong place at the wrong time for the wrong reasons with the wrong leaders.

I’m pleased to see you don’t dare dispute the existence of the Holocaust,
Did the German-Jewish Holocaust i.e., were millions of innocent Jews murdered by the Nazis?

The fact that the Holocaust occurred is indisputable.

It is provable beyond any reasonable doubt. There is more than enough evidence out there that proves it occurred.

In fact, the evidence that it occurred is as abundant as the fact that the Jews in America - 2% of the population effectively control America.

But there is NO evidence that this last paragraph is true, except in the fantasies of sick, depraved neo-nazi minds like yours.  In fact, the banks, Wall Street, the corporations, and even the media are ALL controlled mainly by NON-Jews.  Anyone saying anything else is a pure and simple liar.

Like you.

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By Aretologist, November 25, 2007 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

ITW

Instead of responding to the points I make and the issues I raise about the “normal” Jew’s problem-obsession with “control” and “domination”  -  you keep bickering with me like some low grade programmed robot and avoid meaningful points, while diverting attention away from the more important issues -  to other issues like the Holocaust that are GFTJews.

The reason is obvious: you realize that with any ounce of emotion you can produce in your already conditioned goyim herd -  will defeat any ton of facts that are “NGFT normal Jews.”

Did the German-Jewish Holocaust i.e., were millions of innocent Jews murdered by the Nazis?

The fact that the Holocaust occurred is indisputable.

It is provable beyond any reasonable doubt. There is more than enough evidence out there that proves it occurred.

In fact, the evidence that it occurred is as abundant as the fact that the Jews in America - 2% of the population effectively control America.

All the evidence pertaining to this last fact is also provable beyond any reasonable doubt. (In any court whose judges and jury are (unlike America’s politicians) not your subservient servants.

As far as the number of Jews killed by the Nazis I will believe whatever number an honorable sane person declares - whether it’s more than 6.5 million or less.

And I will accept whatever number from someone who is not compelled to exaggerate the figure in order to gain pity and sympathy from other people in order to take advantage of them, knowing that a person’s emotions come from the heart and the average person only uses his brain to bolster his emotions.

Indeed,  the evidence that the Nazi-Jewish Holocaust occurred is evident as is all the evidence pertaining to the recent and continuing Jewish-Palestinian Holocaust.

I’ve answered your query can you answer mine?

Do you believe it is in America’s (and all goyim - except of course, the Palestinians) that God’s chosen people keep possession of the Palestinian people’s homeland?

Do you believe that the “end” i.e., keeping possession of the Land in order to have dominion over the earth in order to to fulfill your covenant with God and be an even greater blessing and light to mankind - justifies the “means” you are using to attain this end?

Do you believe (as most American people evidently believe) -  that is better for us - the “backward” (relative to you) American people -  to allow you - God’s Chosen people -  to maintain possession of all the Palestinian people’s land - so that you can be an even better greater blessing and light to us than you are now?

Even though this will obviously be very harmful for the Palestinians?

If we i.e., mankind promise to let all you “normal Jews” do whatever you please to the Palestinian people -  will God’s Chosen people - give mankind a guarantee - an assurance in writing - that you promise to Us (and not just to God) that if we ignore the plight of the Palestinian People forever (as we are now doing) and allow you to imprison them perpetually -  that - you -  God’s chosen people will, in return promise to be an even greater more exalted blessing and light than you already are?

Can you promise us that if we continue to forget about what you have done, what you are doing, and what you want to do forever to the Palestinian people that you will return the favor by making us all - mankind - as great as Jesus of Nazareth was before he died for all our sins?

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By Inherit The Wind, November 24, 2007 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Aryan-tologist writes:
” It is the “normal” Jews’ actions in America - their incessant inculcation and conditioning of the American people, their dissimulation and their effective control of America that reveal their true nature.

It is their crimes against humanity - against the Palestinian and Lebanese people - that reveals their actual character.

Are we - and the rest of humanity actually that lacking in character and intelligence -i.e., that goy - that we would allow such bloody hands and such unethical minds to bless and light us?

Hands and minds that have colonized, entangled, killed, destroyed, expelled, contained, imprisoned, tortured, and cheated millions of innocent people of their homes and stolen their homeland? Actions that have brought much death, pain and suffering in America, the Middle East and around the world? “

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Does this not sound EXACTLY like the rhetoric Hitler used in the 1920’s and 1930’s?  Of course it does. Accusations of ALL Jews of “Crimes against humanity”, but, of course, with no specifics.

According to this liar, Jews have:
colonized millions
entangled millions
killed millions
destroyed millions
expelled millions
contained millions
imprisoned millions
tortured millions
cheated millions of innocent people of their homes and stolen their homeland

This is nothing but deliberate lies by a Nazi KKK White Supremacist racist who simply hates Jews for existing in the world.

Notice how his rhetoric gets closer and closer to calling for the extermination of ALL Jews to “cleanse” the world. 

As I said—the same rhetoric Hitler used.

Answer this Aryan-tologist: Do you accept as factual that between 6 and 6.5 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust?

Do you DARE answer this?

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By Aretologist, November 24, 2007 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

“Anyone who deceives us skilfully may be said to “enchant us.”  Plato

“After you - O Israel - have inherited the earth… and achieved dominion over every living thing on earth…then… shall mankind beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; then (and only then) shall one nation not lift up sword against another nation, neither shall they learn war anymore..” The Torah

So according to the Torah when the Jews have finally gained total command over humanity they will then be able to be our i.e., mankind’s blessing and light -  and thus fulfill their covenant with God.

“You can talk yourself into an awful lot of stuff, given enough time.”  Duff Thompson

“All the civilizations of the world will be renewed by the renascence of our spirit. All quarrels will be resolved, and our revival will cause all life to become luminous with the joy of fresh birth.  All religions will don new and precious raiment, casting off whatever is soiled, abominable, and unclean (goy); they will unite in imbibing of the dew of the Holy Lights, that were made ready for all mankind at the beginning of time in the well of Israel. The active power of Abraham’s blessing to all the peoples of the world will become manifest.. Whatever Jewish people creates in Israel assimilates the universal into characteristic and unique Jewish form, to the great benefit of the Jewish people and of the world (i.e., to the great benefit of mankind).”    Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook

Is this the actual reason for AIPAC? To help Israel and the Jews become mankind’s blessing and light?

The most important question facing mankind is how far we ought - how far can we afford - to yield to these delusions?

Another important question for all decent human beings to ponder (what few seem to actually exist) -will the innocent Palestinian people have to pay for our - humanity’s - being “blessed and lighted”?

Do God’s chosen people actually believe that the “end” actually justifies the “means”,  i.e., that achieving the goal of becoming humanity’s blessing and light - actually “justifies” the Palestinian holocaust?

If “normal” Jews do believe this - then what kind of “blessing and light” can such bloody, unethical hands lay upon us and the rest of humanity? Is mankind that desperate that we need to be “blessed and lighted” by such an obviously unethical people?
     
It is their actual factual acts - yesterday and today - that betray the Israeli people - i.e.,  all “normal” Jews.

It is the “normal” Jews’ actions in America -  their incessant inculcation and conditioning of the American people, their dissimulation and their effective control of America that reveal their true nature.

It is their crimes against humanity - against the Palestinian and Lebanese people - that reveals their actual character. 

Are we - and the rest of humanity actually that lacking in character and intelligence -i.e.,  that goy - that we would allow such bloody hands and such unethical minds to bless and light us?

Hands and minds that have colonized, entangled, killed, destroyed, expelled, contained, imprisoned, tortured, and cheated millions of innocent people of their homes and stolen their homeland? Actions that have brought much death, pain and suffering in America, the Middle East and around the world?

“We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any delusion so long as reason is left free to combat it.”  Thomas Jefferson

“To see what is wrong right in front of your nose and not do anything about it - that is a lack of courage.”  Confucius

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By PatrickHenry, November 23, 2007 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

Aretologist,

Here’s one of those sites you talk about: 

http://www.masada2000.org/dirt-list.html

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By Inherit The Wind, November 23, 2007 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

Aryan-tologist: Citer of pure White-supremacist neo-nazi garbage.

Why don’t you come clean and admit you don’t believe the Holocaust happened?  Quoting early 19th century bigots isn’t proof of ANYTHING other than anti-semitism has been around a long time.

What’s next? The phony forged Ben Franklin “Prophecy”? That’s already been shown to be a BAD fake, produced by the Nazis.

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By Lee, November 23, 2007 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

#115263 by Aretologist on 11/23 at 8:26 am

Aretologist ... before your bigotry and paranoia go too far ... if that’s even possible ... here’s a reality check:

Neither the President, Vice President, or Secretary of State are Jewish.

Out of 100 Senators, only 13 are Jewish.

Out of 540 in the House of Representatives, only 30 are Jewish.

Obviously, you’re no Einstein ... but then, of course he was Jewish.

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By Aretologist, November 23, 2007 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

“As for anti-Semitic feelings, the Jews themselves are to blame, and the present agitation must be ascribed to their egotism, vanity, and unspeakable insolence.”  Meyer Carl Rothschild in letter to Gerson Bleichroder

“I believe the Jew’s objective is as impure as the means by which their power has been acquired and denounce them.”  British MP Thomas Duncombe, 1828

“Normal” Jews are fully conscious of the fact that they themselves motivate individuals into becoming inadvertently and unplanned an “anti-Semite.”  ie. Anyone conscious, ethical & brave enough to speak out about their unethical activities.

It seems as if “normal” Jews are not concerned about nor can inhibit their unethical need to dominate and control everyone; they seem to be consumed with this need to oversee and prevail over everyone as if there is a hidden force exhorting and impelling them to it.

Let’s forget for a moment the horrifying things “normal” Jews have ”accomplished” in the Middle East - the Palestinian holocaust and the consequent effect this holocaust has caused throughout the whole world.

Instead, let us examine their unethical achievements in America.

How can any sane ethical human being in America not dislike “normal” Jews once they become conscious enough of uncorrupted reality? Conscious of the fact that the Jews - and their supporters - control politics in America? In effect “own” America.

In 1972 Sen. William Fulbright declared that the United States was “subservient” to Israel. Fulbright said that “The Israelis control politics in Congress and in the Senate.”

“Whoever criticizes Israel can expect painful and incessant reprisals… The President of the United States is afraid of it. Congress gives in to all its demands….. there is nothing which opposes it.”  Congressman Paul Findley

“It’s suicide for any politician to oppose them - AIPAC.” Sen. Fulbright, 1973

Not only every politician but every American I know is frightened of the Jews.  If one dares to make a negative comment about them at home, they risk being charged with being ‘Hitler’  by members of his excessively inculcated & conditioned family.

Express something negative about them at work and you’ll be reported to see the “boss.”

If your boss is halfway conscious and sane he probably will tell you:

“Bud are you crazy? Listen Bud, I’m also aware of what the Jews are doing to us - with all those incessant Nazi-Holocaust movies & documentaries on TV. I know that they are unethical dissemblers. But the undeniable fact is the Jews have more power than anyone in the country -in the world. So don’t try to enlighten anyone about them.  Everybody fears them - all our politicians -  even the President. Look at what he’s done to America to curry their support to ensure his reelection back in 2004.

“Bud, don’t you get it?  Nobody goes up against the Jews. Everybody has gotten their ‘messages’, their ‘lessons’ and ‘examples’.  Mentally we are like a 10 year kid compared to a highly educated 30 year old adult.  Nobody is smart enough or sane enough & ethical enough to speak out against them.

“Bud, the Jews don’t want to hear the truth and neither do we. The truth causes them & us to feel ashamed and embarrassed.  So just go back to your job and keep your comments to your self.  We’ve been conditioned and inculcated to do keep our mouths shut and just graze like good cattle.”

“And Bud - If you make a comment that is ‘not good for the Jews’  again - we will have to let you go. 

“Sorry but that’s the way it is in America now -“the land of their conditioned subservient subjects and the home of their pusillanimous politicians.”

“If you do not specify and confront real issues…. If you do not alarm anyone morally, you yourself remain morally asleep. If you do not embody controversy, what you say will be an acceptance of the drift of the coming human hell.” C. Wright Mills, The Power Elite

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By Myronh, November 23, 2007 at 8:19 am Link to this comment

Lee,

Can I assume that you just forgot to mention what Christians did to the Native population of North and South America? Add it all up and their is really only one answer: Religion of all types sucks the humanity out of all it’s followers!!!

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By Lee, November 22, 2007 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

#115149 by Aretologist on 11/22 at 9:15 am

Countries conquering other countries, and changing borders is not something
you can just blame on the Jews, the Europeans and the United States.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/europe/02/euro_borders/html/default.stm
It has been going on throughout history all over the world.

The Ottoman Empire, Caliphate, conquered lands that spanned 3 continents and rulled their populations for six centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
... and, today radical Islam has stated that a 21st century caliphate is their ultimate goal.

Alexander the Great conquered an area from Turkey to India.

the Mongol Empire conquered and ruled from China to Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Asia

Although Europeans colonized parts of Africa, it was the Arabs and Africans
themselves who rounded up and sold Africans into slavery.

Attempts towards ethnic cleansing and genocide, costing the lives of millions, has occured throughout the world, including Europe, Serbia, between factions of the Islamic world, Cambodia, etc..

Although there may be some organized assistance for Isreal in the United States, Israel has been surrounded by hostel countries who have supported the Palestinians, while commited to Israel’s complete destruction, since the international community accepted Israel over a half a century ago.

So, as much as you hate Jews, your efforts to blame them for all the problems in the world is unrealistic, and simply reveals your personal hatred and
antisemitism.

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By PatrickHenry, November 22, 2007 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

If you have HBO, check out “To Die in Jerusalem”. it is a well produced piece done at a human level of why problems there continue to persist.

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By Aretologist, November 22, 2007 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

The Palestinians have no organized,  dedicated,  minority in America. They do not have an AIPAC to coerce our government into helping them achieve some justice.

People use whatever “tools” are available in their struggle either for domination and control AIPAC - or for autonomy and deliverance from a colonizing, aggressive, highly egotistical,  unethical people - suicide bombs.

The Jews,  endowed with an excess of intelligence empolyed their intelligence to persuade England into admitting them into Palestine.

They then proceeded to colonize, embroil, attack,  kill, ethnically cleanse, imprison the Palestinians.

If American and other nations were free - i.e., not totally subservient to the Jews - the forsaken Palestinians would not find it necessary kill themselves for justice.

Why are the actual victims the “terrorists” and the real terrorists the “virtuous” in this corrupted reality of ours?

Has to do with power. Whoever has all the power and whoever controls the mass media creates a “socially constructed” reality.

Even if those who have all the power and means to create a distorted corruption of reality are the real terrorists - with the help of a collaborating media, they can “construct”  a social reality in which the real victims are made the “terrorists.”

Working together collectively a people corrupts their reality to deal with consonant dissonance - the guilt and shame they would feel - as human beings - if they had to live with the real truth - in an uncorrupted reality.

They ignore disregard the truth what is really happening - one way or another - by shuffling the cards around in their minds or by just allowing their mass media to ignore what is actually taking place - by ignoring the truth.

In the European mind -  it is always the backward, the dull witted, old-fashioned indigenous - those they want to take advantage of who are the wicked and evil - since they obviously were not blessed by God and are thus backward peoples. Whether they are Africans, Indians, Mexicans, Hawaiians or the Palestinian people.

Then the smarter, more advanced people - Europeans, Jews - corrupt their reality their consciousness and make the “backward” indigenous people who fight back the “terrorists.”

When in fact the truth is that the “innocent backward people”  are the factual victims.

And sadly for mankind the West - the Europeans - with all their venerable accomplishments, their conquests and repression and crimes against humanity -  have simply “selected” “chosen” the smarter Jews over the “backward” Palestinians.

Why? Although they know who is the real victim and who is the malefactor - WE lack the CHARACTER to do the right thing. To do what is right according to conscience, justice, the Golden Rule.

The majority of Jews and most Americans etc are too unethical, weak, mediocre, selfish to embrace right over wrong, moral over immoral.

So America is always doing “what’s good for the Jews” (and ignoring the victims) because we foolishly believe that what is “good for the Jews” is also “good for us - the goyim.”

We choose unethical over ethical, maltreatment over justice, wrong over right, conveniently ignore the Golden Rule and the Palestinians and then we socially corrupt reality in order to deal with the consonant dissonance - the guilt and shame we would feel if we had to deal with the truth.

Most of the people in the West -  lacking leaders of character and intelligence -  decide justice only on the basis what “is good for the Jews” - because in their midget minds, the Jews are not the “backward ones” and because they are smarter than we are - we need the Jews more than those luckless Palestinians.

AIPAC only sees to it that our politicians do what the majority of American’s want - to support the Jews “who are good for us” over the victims who are “backward” (like we are) incomparison to the Jews.

You can always depend on all mediocre Americans to be at their very best.

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By Leefeller, November 21, 2007 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

Aretologist

If you removed your head from where the sun dost shine, we may be able to hear what you don’t have to say with clarity.

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By Lee, November 21, 2007 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

#114945 by Aretologist on 11/21 at 7:52 am

Dear Mr. Aretologist,

Since you hate Jewish people so much, and supporting
Israel seems to be out of the question ... maybe you could
support all the Islamic countries who are always starting
wars with Israel. They always seem to have openings for
suicide bombers. For some reason that position never stays
filled. And, of course you meet the job descripton. All that’s
required is for you to be a fanatic who hates people.
But, if you commit suicide, and murder a bunch of men,
women and children ... you won’t go to heaven ... but,
then the place you will go won’t have any Jews.

P.S. To bad you don’t get paid by the pound for your postings,
what you lack in quality, you sure do make up for in quantity ...
rather long winded, don’t you think?

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By Aretologist, November 21, 2007 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

If Einstein were living today he would be doing what “self-hating” Jews like Finkelstein, Chomsky, etc are doing.

Einstein was not a conformist. He would have demanded justice for the Palestinians - not just “what was good for the Jews.”

Unlike most “normal Jews” who believe God commanded them to be “a people apart”,  Einstein believed in the equality of human beings. He was a compassionate person -  not a narcissistic egomaniac.

Einstein also believed that men should be evaluated i.e. judged in relation to what they give rather than what they receive.

Accordingly he would be criticizing the Israeli people today who perpetually “want” i.e. covet, crave,require, “need” things - i.e.,  the Palestinian people’s homeland and American taxpayer’s money.

The essential characteristic that Einstein insisted on if you wanted to be his friend - was that you always HAD TO BE TRUTHFUL. That requirement would eliminate most “normal” Jews. Instead of being honest, they seem to be incessantly dissembling and endeavoring to hide the truth from the American people - about their power, their crimes against the Palestinians, and their incessant need to control us - with every reiterated unethical means and unfair method at their command.

Unlike most “normal Jews” who believe they are specially Chosen etc - and thus need America and the world to revolve around them -  Einstein did not want or need any preferential treatment.

Einstein had misgivings about the Jews forming a state a nation of their own. He wasn’t hopelessly
unconscious like most people are.  He was aware of the Jew’s acute intelligence and of their nature - their capitalistic acquisitiveness, their need to rise to the top and to dominate. He thus naturally had forebodings about what the Jewish people might do if they had a nation of their own.

He had a remarkable consideration for other people, especially those less fortunate. If the Jew’s had to have their nation he wanted whatever nation the Jew’s established there to be a co partnership nation with the Arab population.

He did not want the Jews to displace the Palestinians and take over their land - and do much worse.  Einstein would not be surprised at all if he visited Israel and Gaza today and saw first hand the appalling things all the “normal” Jews have managed to “accomplish” there.

Einstein was an humanist, a freethinker - not a mediocre follower of Judaism - like most “normal” Jewish leaders and officials are.

Like all the great scientists Einstein was both a decent human being and curious.

Einstein felt he “was lucky for having developed certain ideas that others before me had overlooked.”

“I am just more curious than the average person and I will not give up on a problem until I have found the proper solution.  This is one of my greatest satisfactions in life - solving problems - and the harder they are, the more satisfaction do I get out of them. “ 

It’s disgusting that there aren’t any “scientists” like him today in America who are curious about an aberration in nature right under their collective noses - the mystery of why and how 2% of the population in a democracy gained effective control the other 98%  - This irregularity would have made Einstein very curious.

And Einstein could have solved what 10,000 mediocre politicians and government officials haven’t been able to solve - the “Middle East problem”  in 2 seconds.

Simply by telling all the “normal” Jews and their subservient American politicians - to read the Golden Rule.

Shamefully for the whole world it seems that you need to be a decent human being in order to observe the Golden Rule - which is something “normal Jews” and most American’s find very difficult to be.

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By PatrickHenry, November 21, 2007 at 4:45 am Link to this comment

#114594 by Inherit The Wind

I don’t believe in the destruction of Israel any more than I believe in the subjugation of Israel’s neighbors.  I don’t want my tax dollars to pay for any of it.

Let America’s private jewry mail money home to support Israel (those who do).

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By Lee, November 21, 2007 at 12:49 am Link to this comment

RE: #114722 by Aretologist on 11/20 at 9:50 am

Dear Mr. Aretologist ...
I think that you simply haven’t had enough exposure to Jewish people in your life.
I’m not talking about Negative stereotyping that turns people into mashugana bigots ... There have been a lot of great Jewish people you would probably really love ... like Jesus of Nazareth ... Moses ... Albert Einstein ... Sigmund Frued ... George Gershwin ... Leonard Bernstein ... Dr. Jonas Salk ... Levi Strauss ... Harry Houdini ... Stephen Spielberg ... Bob Dylan ... and the list goes on and on and on.
In fact, if you opened your mind and your heart to this list of chosen people ... you’d probably want to convert to Judism! That’s why I’d like to invite you to
consider making a contribution to AIPAC at:
http://www.aipac.org/Donate_Now/index.asp

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By Inherit The Wind, November 20, 2007 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

Aryan-tologist,
Let me save you ALL that trouble:

A “self-hating Jew” is one that endorses all your sick, neo-nazi biological racism that hates Jews just because they were born into this world.

See? You have a perfectly accurate and precise definition is just 2 lines.

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By Aretologist, November 20, 2007 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

A “self-hating Jew” is Jew who “normal Jews” consider to be “mad” because they identify themselves with the “anti-Semite.”

Why? Because self hating Jews are nonconforming Jews. They are “heretics” or “turncoats.”
 
They are not labeled “anti-Semites, Nazis or Hitlers.”  Those “stigmas” are reserved for non-Jews.

They stereotype them as “self hating” for the same reason they negatively stereotype gentiles who “are a problem.”

It is an attempt to try and CONTROL them   through degradation, humiliation, demeaning.

In order to dishearten, discourage - thwart - them.

The “mad” or “nonconforming” act they are committing is usually “not good for normal Jews.”

Negative stereotyping is a proven effective means to control people in order to get them to “behave correctly.”

To get people “to go along with the program.”

Parents use it to make children that are “misbehaving” and “defying authority” behaving “improperly.”
“Naughty boy!” “Wretched child.”

To the unenlightened mind “self-hating” appears to negative and bad - like “anti-Semite, Nazi, Hitler.”

But in uncorrupted reality “self-hating Jews” are actually genuine, sincere, unaffected, ethical human beings.
(Just like some people who are characterized by “normal Jews” as anti-Semites, Nazis, Hitlers)

S-H Jews actually have more in common with a compassionate God than do “normal Jews.”

If God did choose the Jews He HAD to have chosen only the “self-hating Jews” to be “our Blessing and Light.”

The millions of helpless innocent Palestinians who suffer day in and day month after month -  who live in desolation sorrow and misery   (caused entirely by all the “normal Jews”)  would not be suffering the way they suffer if there had been and were more “self-hating Jews” in the world. And the world would definitely not be in the appalling condition it is today.

“Self-hating Jews”  unlike “normal Jews” believe in equality, honesty,  justice for all, they are just plain “decent human beings.” You can always count on them to be principled.  They believe AND practice the Golden Rule - unlike “normal Jews.”

It is curious that the Jews that are obviously NOT our blessing and light - believe they are! And the Jews that are truly qualified to be are not arrogant and conceited enough to presume it!

A Tragedy for Mankind

The genuinely ethical Jews who actually qualify to be mankind’s B & L - are thrashed and labeled “self-hating Jew” by the “normal Jews.

Isn’t this exactly the same predicament that Jesus of Nazareth -  “the greatest self-hating Jew the world has ever seen” - found himself in and experienced as a nonconforming Jew at the hands of all the “normal Jews” then?

Just proves that no matter how much we believe things have changed for the better,  uncorrupted reality proves otherwise.

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#114568 by Lee

My guess is that you are a radical jew ...an Israel first stooge. The real Patrick Henry supported states rights, nonitervenionist foreign policy and most importantly the bill of rights.  All three things the state of Israel denies the Palestinians.

Iran, Iraq and the rest of the middle east has the right to live in peace without a provocative Israel and its AIPAC funded American congress defining freedom via our Zionist controlled press.

By your off topic smears and one sided posts you are not part of the solution your part of the problem.

And so, like the nazi he is, RudolfHess reveals himself calling for the DESTRUCTION of Israel, knowing full well it will mean the slaughter of every Jewish man, woman and CHILD there.

That is the essence of this monster’s “humanity”—a desire to see another Holocaust this tiny little nation, and the millions that live there.

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By PatrickHenry, November 19, 2007 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

#114568 by Lee

My guess is that you are a radical jew ...an Israel first stooge. The real Patrick Henry supported states rights, nonitervenionist foreign policy and most importantly the bill of rights.  All three things the state of Israel denies the Palestinians.

Iran, Iraq and the rest of the middle east has the right to live in peace without a provocative Israel and its AIPAC funded American congress defining freedom via our Zionist controlled press.

By your off topic smears and one sided posts you are not part of the solution your part of the problem.

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By Lee, November 19, 2007 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

RE: #114557 by PatrickHenry on 11/19 at 4:52 pm

My guess is that you are a radical Islamist ... or one of their supporters, who has the gal to adopt the name of one of America’s greatest patriots as a cover. The real Patrick Henry valued liberty. He would not support a group who has already taken personal liberties away from their own people through sharia law ... and with the ambitions of taking liberty away from the rest of us through the worldwide mission of the caliphate. Although this has become obvious based upon the actual words, writings, and evil deeds of radical Islamists around the world ... people like you keep trying to perpetuate the lie that it’s not happening, and instead you try to divert the blame on those very people who are the front lines against it. Calling yourself PatrickHenry is not only a misnomer, it’s an insult to every American past and present who has ever had to fight to maintain liberty in this country. Benedict Arnold would have been a more befitting name for you.

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By Lee, November 19, 2007 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

Re: #114557 by PatrickHenry on 11/19 at 4:52 pm

I see that you are diverting the discussion from this article too, you hypocrite.
You chose Patrick Henry as your screen name ... what a misnomer. You flatter yourself, and dishonor Patrick Henry.

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By PatrickHenry, November 19, 2007 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment

Sounds like ITW and Lee are twins.

Spewing racial, moral and ethnic diatribes, proving once again who the real bigot is. 

Sucessfully diverting the discussion of this tread to something useless, personal attacks.

If you want to support Israel, go there, enlist in the army, be in the first wave against the new attack on Lebanon.  Maybe your employer will save your job like they save the U.S. Army reservists’.

Your marva training will make the islamofascists tremble at your footsteps and maybe cure you of the littleman complexes you possess, hiding behind your keyboards and attacking the enemies of Israel.

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By Lee, November 19, 2007 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

Re: #114478 by Aretologist on 11/19 at 7:56 am

Jesus was not the most self-hating Jew ... you are! I don’t know why you don’t take more pride in your Jewish heritage. After all, look at all the great contributions your people have made through history ... and, in spite of all the centuries of opposition from so many nasty bigots.

I do wish however that the doctors would have warned your parents about the risks of inbreeding. How does it feel to have your siblings also be your parents?
I mean lets face it, you’re dumb as dirt. We could all get angry at you for your hateful bigotry, but first we’d have to take you seriously, but only a fool would take you seriously ... I mean you’re just a joke, right? Oh sorry, I forgot that you’re unable to tell the difference ... I’m really do pity you and your retarded condition.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 19, 2007 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

If you don’t want to inherit the earth and have dominion over every living thing and be mankind’s blessing and light then why are the Jewish people endeavoring so hard to control everyone in the world?

Because the premise you base your question on “why are the Jewish people endeavoring so hard to control everyone in the world?” is fucking LIE!

As is EVERYTHING else you have posted.  It’s not worth answering all of it because it’s the usual false crap picked up from white-supremacist, neo-nazi, and KKK websites who throw out ANY garbage and see if anyone is dumb enough and ignorant enough to believe it.

Like you.

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By Aretologist, November 19, 2007 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

INHERIT THE WORLD

If you don’t want to inherit the earth and have dominion over every living thing and be mankind’s blessing and light then why are the Jewish people endeavoring so hard to control everyone in the world?

Again you waste your whole comment space negative stereotyping and name calling and refuse to address the particulars and issues and oddities in uncorrupted reality in America that I am addressing.

Does 98% of the population revolve around 2% of the population - i.e., the Jews?

Has anything that is “not good for the Jews” ever transpired anywhere in America for the last, say 25 years?

Does the antithesis occur constantly: What ever “is good for the Jews” ensues - everywhere?

Have 2% of the population become “The Church”?  Which everyone either fears or worships?

Can self evident uncorrupted reality i.e., the truth - be proved?

Will The Church (the highly organized 2% of the population) ever allow an independent, scientific objective inquiry by a commission, or a committee of distinguished independent university professors comprised of physicists, sociologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, political scientists, professors of mass media and communications, professors of public relations, and marketing?  Yes or No?

The questions the commission or independent committee can address are:

Do the Jews effectively control America predicated on the Congressional record and the testimony of former and current Congressional legislators and other politicians throughout the country?

Is the ceaseless distribution and circulation of documentaries and films, and books, and magazine and newspaper articles regarding the Holocaust, antisemitism, and publicity beneficial and flattering to the Jews we see constantly
deliberate?

Are there organizations of highly dedicated people behind the propaganda and is the purpose of all the Nazi and Holocaust documentaries “educational” or “inculcational”? I.e., is it actually some kind of unrelenting Jewish propaganda?

Another curiosity: Why is everybody so conspicuously fearful of the Jews and scared of offending them? Is it because they are the most powerful, most highly organized, most unethical minority the world has ever known or is whoever is frightened of them just plain crazy?

And why are America’s politicians so conspicuously subservient to them?  Is it because they have been specially Chosen by God to be their blessing and light?

And is every politician who is frightened of them and their power simply a psychopath who is hallucinating?

Another: Why a Holocaust Museum in every state and city in America and why make it mandatory for all school children to attend semi annually? Is the reason “educational” or “inculcational”?
Do the mandatory visits by school children have something to do with the fact that the Museums are powerful tools that elicit feelings of pity and sympathy? And that individuals who receive pity and sympathy tend to be much more “effective” whenever they need or want to take advantage of those who feel pity for them?

Do so many Museums exist because the Jews are aware of the psychological phenomenon that “an ounce of pity and sympathy defeats 10 tons of facts”?

Another self evident anomaly: How can Bush and Cheney and all of America’s Christian leaders say they love and worship Jesus of Nazareth (the greatest “self-hating Jew” the world has ever seen) and yet be totally ignorant of the man and (deliberately?) unaware of what He stood for?

How can all our Christian leaders (and especially Bush and Cheney) morally and financially support the Jews when Jesus Christ if he were alive today would help, support and SUFFER FOR THE PALESTINIANS while castigating the Jews (AGAIN).

Is this last bizarre actuality alone proof enough that the Jews effectively control America - and do in fact “own” America?

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By Inherit The Wind, November 19, 2007 at 5:27 am Link to this comment

And, BTW,

It’s Inherit the Wind, not the world.  I don’t want to rule the world—I just want to live in it in peace.

“He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind.
And the fool shall be servant to the wise in heart.”

It’s from the Bible.  You know, the BIBLE?

It’s also the name of a GREAT play and movie about fighting IGNORANCE (like yours)

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By Inherit The Wind, November 19, 2007 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

Aryan-tologist:

Go ahead, admit it: You think the Holocaust is a hoax, right? Why else are you so vehement against it being taught?

I’ll bet you don’t want to admit it because you KNOW that as soon as you say you believe it didn’t happen EVERYONE will know what you are:

Another white-supremacist neo-nazi lunatic who wants to turn America into the 4th Reich.

And when they figure that out, you’re finished. Truthdig may even ban you.

In the meantime, I just keep pointing out what a hate-filled fantasy-addicted maniac you are.

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By Aretologist, November 19, 2007 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

Inherit the World

Again you confirms what I’ve been trying to point out. 

I say “mail” but mean “comments” and you go crazy and make as big an issue of one error in my comment and ignore everything else. The reason you do it is self evident.

I’m aware that Jews are not reading our mail but I also know that the Jews control America and your highly subservient subjects are probably reading our mail for you on their own. Like Bush invaded Iraq on his own to curry favor with the Jews and insure his re election.

“If I owned Hollywood, I would rule the world.”  Stalin, 1932

You’ve practically conditioned everyone in the country to keep themselves conditioned and subservient to you on their own.

Practically everybody. If it wasn’t for the few sane, conscious members of the “goyim” herd who refuse to become “cattle” and keep resisting and speaking out, you and the other Jewish “researchers” here at truthdig would be able to go on assignment to some other place. Free to go where there is a population that has not yet been conditioned and inculcated.  Free to go and find some part of mankind that has not been fortunate enough as we and the Europeans have to have been “blessed or enlightened” by God’s chosen people.

Norman Finkelstein is also conscious enough to realize what kind of “practices and preparations” the most highly organized, most highly unethical minority the world has ever known is involved in.

Finkelsten knows the methods the Jews employ to elicit pity and sympathy, money and subservience. That is his message and why he has written books on the Holocaust Industry and the use of the charge of anti-Semitism to scare and discourage people from speaking out about the 2% minority controlling the 98% majority.

The Museums, the unrelenting Nazi documentaries on tv, the movies, magazine articles, the mandatory inculcating visits of school children to the nearest Holocaust which are just conspicuous attempts at eliciting pity and emotion and thus conditioning the children for life since an ounce of emotion is worth a ton of facts.

You call it “educating” the goyim public instead of what it really is - blatant inculcation and conditioning - of children no less.

Any half sane psychology professor realizes and understands what you are doing - and why you do it.

What I would like to know is: Did the citizens of Alaska - the Eskimos - ask and pay for their new Holocaust Museum on their own - or did the .05% minority of the population - the Jews living in Alaska - notice that the Alaskan people - unlike the people in the other 49 states did not yet have a local Holocaust Museum?  Of course it is mandatory for the children of Alaska to visit the Holocaust Museum semi-annually.

“To see what is right in front of one’s nose requires a constant struggle” especially if what you see and then write is “not good for the Jews.”

Everything I say is all so self evident it borders on absurdity.

Absurd and ridiculous that what has transpired in America has actually occured and that what is occuring in America is actually real.

It is all so ridiculous. Everything I and others are saying is easily provable beyond any reasonable doubt in a court of law.

That is, in any country or court room that is not totally subservient to the Jews.

Which naturally eliminates America because the Jews own America and they wouldn’t allow any official investigation or court of inquirty.

All the relentless conditioning and inculcation has really paid off for the Jews.

It is self evident and provable beyond any reasonable doubt. However there is just one problem - The Church has all he power and would never allow it. Everyone half conscious is frightened and so nothing can be done about the self evident truth - about uncorrupted reality.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 18, 2007 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

Aryan-tologist is truly revealing just how sick he is—and it is very frightening. Jews are reading his mail and eMail, listening in on his phones, doing all those things only the NSA could do.

Like some Star Trek fantasy where hideous creatures invade a person’s nervous system and turn them into a zombie, while plotting to spread to all humanity.

Or “Invasion of The Body Snatchers”.

But for this lunatic, it’s Jews everywhere.  Here, there, under the bed, demonically like Svengali controlling vast political organizations—even controlling the Church.

Of course he won’t admit it, but we know he’s been reading that crude evil forgery “The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion” and “Mein Kampf” (“My Struggle”). We know he’s been reading the white-supremacists who take those books as factual and accurate.

We know this because no sane person could infer what Aryan-tologist has posted from mainstream sources.

I’ll bet, in his heart, Aryan-tologist thinks that the murders in 1964 in Philadelphia, MS of 3 civil rights activists, one Black, two Jews, was part of that same conspiracy to control America.  Many people on the right wing of the GOP think EXACTLY the same way.

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By Leefeller, November 18, 2007 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

Aretologist

Hope you are a Christian, because your self proclaimed righteousness, dove tails with the hypocrisy and bigotry you try so hard to keep from everyone.

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By Aretologist, November 18, 2007 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

Mr Wicher:

When you can’t convincingly attack the comments or the Reports that are true - attack the authors or the commentators - stereotype them as Nazis, Hitlers, “self hating Jews.”

Avoid discussing any truths in the comments. Attack the writers or some particulars that they fail to illuminate adequately. Get everybody’s attention away from what is certainly true but “not good for the Jews.”

Avoid at all costs particulars that are manifest and important but “not good for the Jews” because they are too revealing. Attack the truth with the same programmed stuff over and over like robots accustomed to inculcating children.

Any comment too enlightening based on logic and reason are buried deflected avoided with chats, nonsense in the hopes that your hopelessly conditioned children’s choir will follow your arguments around like naive inculcated children reading from your hymn book.

It is so conspicuous to any anyone half conscious   that it borders on the ridiculous and reveals exactly how watchful and defensive the Jews are. Like prison wardens or “Big Brother” - always watching us, always reading the inclucated children’s mail to see what we may know, what we are saying, if any of us have become conscious or unconditioned. Those that have are consequently a danger to the Jews because they may awaken the rest of the “herd.”

Any competent psychologist can tell by how people react to what is being said about them whether what is being said is the truth or not.

But why are all you “normal” Jews working so hard to prevent the truth when you all arrogantly believe that you have been elected by God to be our “blessing and light”?

You’ve conditioned just everybody to equate anyone who criticizes the Jews with Hitler or with the Nazis. You’ve conditioned them to control themselves.

Anyone halfway educated who reads my comments can see that I am not like Hitler but more like Galileo - another sane human being who, because he attacked Church policy was imprisoned for denyingthe conditioned corrupted reality of the Church.

The “Church” today is of course, the Jews.  They have successfully conditioned just about everybody to worship or fear them.  Hundreds of politicians would testify to the reality that “America is subservient to Israel” if the “Church” - AIPAC would permit them to.

They are too frightened and fear you. Or they have been conditioned to worship you.

Everyone in Washington and Hollywood knows what happens to people who make critical comments about the Jews.

My question is why? Why are we so frightened of the Jews? About articulating something that may annoy pr distress them?

Why so much fear of the Jews who assert and arrogantly believe that they have been chosen by God Himself to be everyone’s blessing and light?

I’ll tell you why. It is self-evident in uncorrupted reality.

“Normal” Jews, the most highly organized, most highly dedicated minority the world has ever known don’t seem to have the brains to know right from wrong,  ethical from unethical - as AIPAC reveals.

They don’t seem to have enough intelligence to know that the best way to be is to be good, to be honest, to be truthful and to go towards the truth not away from it constantly.

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By Leefeller, November 18, 2007 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

Tony Witcher,

Eloquent and enlightening posts hopefully more people will read what you have written in the preceding posts, your ability to clear up many misconceptions and typical inaccuracies is unparalleled.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment

Aretologist,

It was the same way in Germany back in the 20’s and 30’s. Hitler became the front man for the German military-industrial complex of the day. By getting Germany into war he made them rich. But there always has to be an ideology to go along with it, to justify and blame others for the war. The Jews were a convenient scapegoat. Today it is Islamophobia, being pushed by ZioNazis the likes of Horowitz and Dershowitz. It serves the capitalist agenda of controlling Middle East oil resources and the war profiteer’s agenda of endless war - “the Global War on Terror”.

The real enemy is Islam, say Dershowitz and Horowitz and Lee. Hitler and Aretologist say it’s the Jews. What is the real enemy? Is it corruption? The writers of our Constitution tried to frame a system of checks and balances that would be as resistant as possible to weakness of character, but there is a limit beyond which the system fails. This country of ours is at that point.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

Aretologist,

You are giving me an inferiority complex with these super-Jews of yours. How about giving my people some credit? We steely blue-eyed Anglo-Saxons are the ones that have been conquering the world for the past 500 years. What’s the universal language? English, not Hebrew.

Yes, there is a highly-organized 2% of the population that does control the other 98% and its name is CAPITAL. The wealthiest 2% of the population do wield enormous power over the rest, and are motivated not by humanitarian concerns but by the accumulation of capital. Some of these wealthy people are undoubtedly of Jewish ancestry, but that fact is utterly irrelevant.

Democracy is the struggle to get the absolute power of capital under control. The United States has been in a reactionary phase for over 40 years. We are close to losing our democratic freedoms to a fascist corporate dictatorship. Our freedom is not being threatened by Jews or by Islam, but by Bush and Cheney, Haliburton and Blackwater, the insurance industry, the oil industry, etc. etc. which have a grip on our government and are running the country to make themselves rich. There is nothing peculiarly Jewish about wanting to be rich.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 10:07 pm Link to this comment

Re #113942 by Aretologist on 11/16 at 6:47 am
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Suppose the Jews represented 98% of the population of America and a small highly organized minority (let’s say the Italians had a powerful lobby - AIPAC - and represented just 2% of the population.
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This idea that 2% of Jews control the rest of the American population is not an “indisputable fact”, it is a paranoid fantasy. One cannot argue a paranoid person out of their delusions, so it is no use talking to you. The only reason to keep you in this discussion is so that others can see the difference between a genuine, out-and-out anti-Semite such as yourself and someone who criticizes Zionism, the policies of Israel, and the U.S./Israel alliance.

People like Lee, who see anti-Semitism everywhere,  and spread Islamophobia, are just Aretologist’s mirror image. You guys are as alike as peas in a pod. Birds of a feather. Which one is the bigger bigot? Let’s take a vote.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

Tonh Karon, conclusion

Although I am not religious, I share Burg’s view that universal justice is at the heart of the Jewish tradition. Growing up in apartheid South Africa was an object lesson in Jewish ethics. Yes, there was plenty of anti-Semitism in the colonial white society of my childhood, but the mantle of victimhood belonged to others. And if you responded to the in-no-way-exclusively-so, but very Jewish impulse to seek justice, you found yourself working side by side not only with the remarkable number of Jews who filled leadership roles in the liberation movement, but also with Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and others.

Judaism’s universal ethical calling can’t really be answered if we live only among ourselves—and Israel’s own experience suggests it’s essentially impossible to do so without doing injustice to others. Israel is only 59 years old, a brief moment in the sweep of Jewish history, and I’d argue that Judaism’s survival depends instead on its ability to offer a sustaining moral and ethical anchor in a world where the concepts of nation and nationality are in decline (but the ferocity of nationalism may not be). Israel’s relevance to Judaism’s survival depends first and foremost on its ability, as Burg points out, to deliver justice, not only to its citizens, but to those it has hurt.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

Just last week, Danny Rubinstein, senior correspondent covering Palestinian affairs for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, was slated to speak to the British Zionist Federation – and then, at the last minute, his speech was canceled. The reason? Rubinstein had pointed out that “today Israel is an apartheid state with different status for different communities.” (While many liberal Jewish Americans can’t bring themselves to accept the apartheid comparison, that’s not true of their Israeli counterparts who actually know what’s going on in the West Bank. Former education minister Shulamit Aloni, for example, or journalist Amira Hass use the comparison. (The comparison first occurred to me on a visit to Kibbutz Yizreel in 1978, when the elders of my Zionist youth movement, Habonim, who had emigrated from South Africa to Israel, warned that the settlement policy of the then-new Likud government was designed to prevent Israel letting go of the West Bank. The population there, they told us, would never be given the right to vote in Israel, and so the result would be, as they presciently put it, “an apartheid situation.”)

Use of the term “apartheid” in reference to the occupation does draw the attention of those who prefer to look away from the fact that Israel is routinely engaged in behavior democratic society has deemed morally odious and unacceptable when it has occurred in other contexts. It is precisely because that fact makes them uncomfortable, I suspect, that they react so emotionally to the A-word. Take black South Africans who suffered under apartheid on a visit to the West Bank—a mild-mannered moderate Nobel Peace Prize winner such as Bishop Desmond Tutu, for example—ask them about the validity of the comparison, and you know the answer you’re going to get.

Moreover, it’s an answer with which a growing number of Jews, who place the universal, ethical and social justice traditions of their faith above those of narrow tribalism, are willing to deal.

In an earlier commentary, perhaps presaging his break with Zionism, Burg noted in 2002:


“Yes, we Israelis have revived the Hebrew language, created a marvelous theater and a strong national currency. Our Jewish minds are as sharp as ever. We are traded on the Nasdaq. But is this why we created a state? The Jewish people did not survive for two millennia in order to pioneer new weaponry, computer security programs or antimissile missiles. We were supposed to be a light unto the nations. In this we have failed. It turns out that the 2,000-year struggle for Jewish survival comes down to a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt lawbreakers who are deaf both to their citizens and to their enemies. A state lacking justice cannot survive. More and more Israelis are coming to understand this as they ask their children where they expect to live in 25 years. Children who are honest admit, to their parents’ shock, that they do not know.”

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment

Karon, cont.

Last year, a very cranky academic by the name of Alvin Rosenfeld, on behalf of the oldest Jewish advocacy group in the U.S., the American Jewish Committee, got a flurry of attention by warning that liberal Jews such as playwright Tony Kushner, Tony Judt and Richard Cohen, all of whom had recently offered fundamental criticisms of Israel, were giving comfort to a “new anti-Semitism.”
Although I am not religious, I share Burg’s view that universal justice is at the heart of the Jewish tradition. Growing up in apartheid South Africa was an object lesson in Jewish ethics. Yes, there was plenty of anti-Semitism in the colonial white society of my childhood, but the mantle of victimhood belonged to others. And if you responded to the in-no-way-exclusively-so, but very Jewish impulse to seek justice, you found yourself working side by side not only with the remarkable number of Jews who filled leadership roles in the liberation movement, but also with Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and others.

Judaism’s universal ethical calling can’t really be answered if we live only among ourselves—and Israel’s own experience suggests it’s essentially impossible to do so without doing injustice to others. Israel is only 59 years old, a brief moment in the sweep of Jewish history, and I’d argue that Judaism’s survival depends instead on its ability to offer a sustaining moral and ethical anchor in a world where the concepts of nation and nationality are in decline (but the ferocity of nationalism may not be). Israel’s relevance to Judaism’s survival depends first and foremost on its ability, as Burg points out, to deliver justice, not only to its citizens, but to those it has hurt.

“They’re helping to make [anti-Semitic] views about the Jewish state respectable—for example, that it’s a Nazi-like state, comparable to South African apartheid; that it engages in ethnic cleansing and genocide. These charges are not true and can have the effect of delegitimizing Israel.”

In reality, though, whether or not you agree with the views of those critics, they simply can’t legitimately be called anti-Semitic. Actually, I doubt any of those he cited have accused Israel of genocide or compared it in any way to the Nazi state. (Former Israeli Knesset Speaker Avram Burg, however, recently did write, in reference to Israeli militarism and hostility to Arabs, “It is sometimes difficult for me to distinguish between the primeval National-Socialism and some national cultural doctrines of the here-and-now.”). But the ethnic-cleansing in which the Israelis expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and the apartheid character of Israel’s present occupation of the West Bank are objective realities. Rosenfeld is suggesting that, to take an honest look at either the occupation or the events of 1948, as so many Israeli writers, journalists, and politicians have done, is to “delegitimize” Israel and promote anti-Semitism.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

Tony Karon (cont)

The Ferocity of Nationalism, The Universality of Justice

Increasingly anxious that most of us have no intention of going to Israel to boost Jewish numbers, the Israel-based Jewish Agency—apparently oblivious to the irony of its own actions—has complained to Germany over official policies that make life there so attractive to Jewish immigrants from former Soviet territories, thus discouraging them from going to Israel. More immediately threatening to the Zionist establishment, however, is another reality: Many Jews are beginning to make once unthinkable criticisms of Israel’s behavior. If you want to bludgeon Jewish critics with the charge of “anti-Semitism” when they challenge Israel’s actions, then it’s hardly helpful to have other Jews standing up and expressing the same thoughts. It undermines the sense, treasured by Israel’s most fervent advocates, that they represent a cast-iron consensus among American Jews in particular.

That much has been clear in the response to the publication of John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt’s controversial new book The Israeli Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, which challenges the wisdom and morality of the unashamed and absolute bias in U.S. foreign policy towards Israel. In an exchange on the NPR show Fresh Air, Walt was at pains to stress, as in his book, that the Israel Lobby, as he sees it, is not a Jewish lobby, but rather an association of groupings with a right-wing political agenda often at odds with majority American-Jewish opinion,

Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, argued exactly the opposite: Walt and Mearsheimer, he claimed, were effectively promoting anti-Semitism, because the Israel lobby is nothing more (or less) than the collective will of the American Jewish community. Which, of course, it isn’t. In fact, in the American Jewish community you can increasingly hear open echoes of Mearsheimer and Walt’s skepticism over whether the lobby’s efforts are good for Israel.

But Foxman’s case is undercut by something far broader—an emerging Jewish glasnost. Of course, like any break with a long-established nationalist consensus, the burgeoning of dissent has provoked a backlash. Norman Finkelstein—the noted Holocaust scholar and fierce critic of Zionism recently hounded out of De Paul University in a campaign of vilification based precisely on the idea that fierce criticism of Israel is the equivalent of “hate speech”—could be forgiven for being skeptical of the idea that the grip of the ultranationalists is weakening.

So, too, could Joel Kovel. After all, he found his important book Overcoming Zionism pulled by his American distributor, the University of Michigan Press, also on the “hate speech” charge. (This decision was later reversed, but it may have long-term consequences for the distributor’s relationship with Kovel’s publisher, the British imprint Pluto.)

Jimmy Carter—who was called a “Holocaust denier” (yes, a Holocaust denier!) for using the apartheid analogy in his book on Israel—and Mearsheimer and Walt might have reason for skepticism as well. But I’d argue that the renewed ferocity of recent attacks on those who have strayed from the nationalist straight and narrow has been a product of panic in the Jewish establishment—a panic born of the fact that its losing its grip. As in the former Soviet Union with the actual glasnost moment, this is a process, once started, that’s only likely to be accelerated by such witch-hunting.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment

Tony Karon (cont)

Thirteen years ago, there certainly was no organization around like “Birthright Unplugged,” which aims to subvert the “Taglit-Birthright Program,” funded by Zionist groups and the government of Israel, that provides free trips to Israel for young Jewish Americans in order to encourage them to identify with the State. (The “Unplugged” version encourages young Jews from the U.S. to take the Birthright tour and its free air travel, and then stay on for a two-week program of visits to the West Bank, to Israeli human rights organizations, and to peace groups. The goal is to see another side of Israel, the side experienced by its victims—and by Israelis who oppose the occupation of the West Bank.)

Clearly, much has changed, and the ability of the Zionist establishment—the America Israel Political Action Committee, the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, and others—to impose nationalist boundaries on Jewish identity is being eroded. It’s worth remembering in this context that anti-Zionism was originally a Jewish movement—the majority of European Jews before World War II rejected the Zionist movement and its calls for a mass migration from Europe to build a Jewish nation-state in Palestine. The most popular Jewish political organization in Europe had been the Yiddishe Arbeiter Bund, a Jewish socialist party that was militantly anti-Zionist. Even among the rabbis of Europe, there was considerable opposition to the idea of Jews taking control of Zion before the arrival of the Messiah (and there still is, of course, from a sizable minority of the ultra-Orthodox).

Of course, the Holocaust changed all that. For hundreds of thousands of survivors, a safe haven in Palestine became a historic necessity.

But the world has changed since then, and as the research cited above suggests, the trends clearly don’t favor the Zionists. I was reared on the idea that a Jewish nation-state in the Middle East was the “manifest destiny” of the Jews. I learned in the Zionist movement that Jewish life in the Diaspora was inevitably stunted and ultimately doomed. But history may have decided otherwise. The majority of us have chosen to live elsewhere, thereby voting with our feet. Indeed, according to Israeli government figures, some 750,000 Israeli Jews (15% of Israel’s Jewish population) are now living abroad, further undermining the Zionist premise that the Diaspora is an innately hostile and anti-Semitic place.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 9:30 pm Link to this comment

(Karon, continued)

Although you wouldn’t know it—not if you followed Jewish life simply through the activities of such major Jewish communal bodies as the Conference of Presidents of American Jewish Organizations and the Anti-Defamation League—the extent to which the eight million Jews of the Diaspora identify with Israel is increasingly open to question (much to the horror of the Zionist-oriented Jewish establishment). In a recent study funded by the Andrea and Charles Bronfman Philanthropies (an important donor to Jewish communal organizations), Professors Steven M. Cohen and Ari Y. Kelman revealed that their survey data had yielded some extraordinary findings: In order to measure the depth of attachment of American Jews to Israel, the researchers asked whether respondents would consider the destruction of the State of Israel a “personal tragedy.” Less than half of those aged under 35 answered “yes” and only 54% percent of those aged 35-50 agreed (compared with 78% of those over 65). The study found that only 54% of those under 35 felt comfortable with the very idea of a Jewish state.

As groups such as the Jewish Agency in Israel (which aims to promote Jewish immigration) and the American Jewish committee expressed dismay over the findings, Cohen and Kelman had more bad news: They believed they were seeing a long-term trend that was unlikely to be reversed, as each generation of American Jews becomes even more integrated into the American mainstream than its parents and grandparents had been. The study, said Cohen, reflected “very significant shifts that have been occurring in what it means to be a Jew.”

Cohen’s and Kelman’s startling figures alone underscore the absurdity of Shepherd’s suggestion that to challenge Israel is to “defame an entire people.” They also help frame the context for what I would call an emerging Jewish glasnost in which Jewish critics of Israel are increasingly willing to make themselves known. When I arrived in the United States 13 years ago, I was often surprised to find that people with whom I seemed to share a progressive, cosmopolitan worldview would suddenly morph into raging ultranationalists when the conversation turned to Israel. Back then, it would have seemed unthinkable for historian Tony Judt to advocate a binational state for Israelis and Palestinians or for Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen to write that “Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now.” Unthinkable, too, was the angry renunciation of Zionism by Avrum Burg, former speaker of Israel’s Knesset.

And, in those days, with the internet still in its infancy, the online Jewish dissident landscape that today ranges from groups in the Zionist peace camp like Tikkun, Americans for Peace Now, and the Israel Policy Forum, among others, to anti-Zionist Jews of the left such as Not in My Name and Jewish Voices for Peace, had not yet taken shape. Indeed, there was no Haaretz online English edition in which the reality of Israel was being candidly reported and debated in terms that would still be deemed heretical in much of the U.S. media.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment

A New Landscape of Jewish Dissent

The Kahanists are a fringe movement, but their self-defeating list may nonetheless be a metaphor for the coming crisis in more mainstream nationalist efforts to police Jewish identity. The Zionist establishment has had remarkable success over the past half-century in convincing others that Israel and its supporters speak for, and represent, “the Jews.” The value to their cause of making Israel indistinguishable from Jews at large is that it becomes a lot easier to shield Israel from reproach. It suggests, in the most emphatic terms, that serious criticism of Israel amounts to criticism of Jews. More than a millennium of violent Christian persecution of Jews, culminating in the Holocaust, has made many in the West rightly sensitive towards any claims of anti-Semitism, a sensitivity many Zionists like to exploit to gain a carte blanche exemption from criticism for a state they claim to be the very personification of Jewishness.

So, despite Israel’s ongoing dispossession and oppression of the Palestinians in the occupied territories, then-Harvard president Larry Summers evidently had no trouble saying, in 2002, that harsh criticisms of Israel are “anti-Semitic in their effect if not in their intent.”

Robin Shepherd of the usually sensible British think-tank Chatham House has gone even further, arguing that comparing Israel with apartheid South Africa is “objective anti-Semitism.” Says Shepherd: “Of course one can criticize Israel, but there is a litmus test, and that is when the critics begin using constant key references to South Africa and the Nazis, using terms such as ‘bantustans.’ None of these people, of course, will admit to being racist, but this kind of anti-Semitism is a much more sophisticated form of racism, and the kind of hate-filled rhetoric and imagery are on the same moral level as racism, so gross and distorted that they are defaming an entire people, since Israel is an essentially Jewish project.”

I’d agree that the Nazi analogy is specious—not only wrong but offensive in its intent, although not “racist”. But the logic of suggesting it is “racist” to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa is simply bizarre. What if Israel objectively behaves like apartheid South Africa? What then?

Actually, Mr. Shepherd, I’d be more inclined to pin the racist label on anyone who conflates the world’s 13 million Jews with a country in which 8.2 million of them—almost two thirds—have chosen not to live.

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By Tony Wicher, November 17, 2007 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment

Is a Jewish Glasnost Coming to America?
Despite a Backlash, Many Jews Are Questioning Israel
By Tony Karon

First, a confession: It may tell me that I hate myself, but I can’t help loving Masada2000, the website maintained by militant right-wing Zionist followers of Rabbi Meir Kahane. The reason I love it is its D.I.R.T. list—that’s “Dense anti-Israel Repugnant Traitors” (also published as the S.H.I.T. list of “Self-Hating and Israel-Threatening” Jews). And that’s not because I get a bigger entry than—staying in the Ks—Henry Kissinger, Michael Kinsley, Naomi Klein, or Ted Koppel. The Kahanists are a pretty flaky lot, counting everyone from Woody Allen to present Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on their list of Jewish traitors. But the habit of branding Jewish dissidents—those of us who reject the nationalist notion that as Jews, our fate is tied to that of Israel, or the idea that our people’s historic suffering somehow exempts Israel from moral reproach for its abuses against others—as “self-haters” is not unfamiliar to me.

In 1981, my father went, as a delegate of the B’nai B’rith Jewish service organization, to a meeting of the Cape Town chapter of the Jewish Board of Deputies, the governing body of South Africa’s Jewish communal institutions. The topic of the meeting was “Anti-Semitism on Campus.” My father was pretty shocked and deeply embarrassed when Exhibit A of this phenomenon turned out to be something I’d published in a student newspaper condemning an Israeli raid on Lebanon.

By then, I was an activist in the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa, which was consuming most of my energies. Having been an active left-Zionist in my teenage years, I had, however, retained an interest in the Middle East—and, of course, we all knew that Israel was the South African white apartheid regime’s most important ally, arming its security forces in defiance of a UN arms embargo. Even back then, the connection between the circumstances of black people under apartheid, and those of Palestinians under occupation in the West Bank and Gaza, seemed obvious enough to me and to many other Jews in the South African liberation movement: Both were peoples harshly ruled over by a state that denied them the rights of citizenship.

Still, this was a first. I could recite the kiddush from memory, sing old kibbutznik anthems and curse in Yiddish. I had been called a “bloody Jew” many times, but never an anti-Semite or a self-hating Jew. What quickly became clear to me, though, was the purpose of that “self-hating” smear—to marginalize Jews who dissent from Zionism, the nationalist ideology of Jewish statehood, in order to warn others off expressing similar views.

What I like about the S.H.I.T. list’s approach to the job—other than the “Dangerous Minds” theme music that plays as you read it—is the way it embraces literally thousands of names, including many of my favorite Jews. Memo to the sages at Masada2000: If you’re trying to paint dissenters as demented traitors, you really have to keep the numbers down. Instead, Masada2000’s inadvertent message is: “Think critically about Israel and you’ll join Woody Allen and a cast of thousands…” )

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By PatrickHenry, November 16, 2007 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

#113863 by Inherit The Wind

Change Benedict to Palistine and you have the Israeli/Palistinian conflict in a nutshell.

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By Aretologist, November 16, 2007 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

Inherit the World

Suppose the Jews represented 98% of the population of America and a small highly organized minority (let’s say the Italians had a powerful lobby - AIPAC - and represented just 2% of the population.

Would all the elected Jewish politicians been so dumb to have permitted the lobby to prevail and make 98% of the population subservient to the other 2%?

Is there a powerful Arab lobby in Israel representing the Arab population. An Arab-Israeli Political Action Committee?

If there is an Arab AIPAC do they intimidate the Jewish legislators?

In uncorrupted reality the smaller masses (planets) always revolved around the bigger mass. 2% around the 98%.

But here in America (where corrupted reality prevails - 98% of the population revolves around the other 2%.

And anyone who points this aberration out is unnatural, atypical.

Since the 2% minority has corrupted reality - through its control of the mass media - the self evident becomes a “lie.”

And anyone who points out the (self evident provable beyond any sane doubt)  truth is immediately labeled
anti-Semitic, a “self-hating Jew”  a “Nazi” -or just insane.

In the corrupted reality controlled by the minority, the 2% of the population, the sane become the insane and the truth becomes treacherous because it is not “good for the 2%.”


There is no doubt in my mind that if Israel was the “Church” back in the 1400s (as it is today) and someone was foolish enough to go against Church doctrine and declared that the smaller revolves around the larger mass he most certainly would have been labeled “anti-Semitic” or “self hating “ - simply because he refused to accept the
Church’s corruption of reality - and persisted on seeing self evident reality while refusing to be driven insane by the “Church.”

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The only kind of Palestinian nation the Israelis will allow to exist next to Israel is the kind of nation a prison warden would allow the inmates he has tortured in his prison to “create” next to him.

After destroying their villages, killing them,  stealing their land, destroying their homes, driving them out of Palestine and incarcerating and torturing those that remained what kind of “nation” can the warden let all his victims create?

The crimes against humanity that the Israelis have committed against the Palestinians are enormous and could never be ever forgotten.  The Jew’s can never forget nor forgive the Nazi’s crimes of humanity against them so it would take a people superior to the Jew’s to forgive the Jews for what they have done to them.

Israel will only allow a Palestinian nation similar to a prison where the subservient prisoners elect only those politicians that are okay with Israel and America.  I.e., Those considered “kosher.”

And in this respect the new Palestinian nation would be an exact mirror image of America (in uncorrupted reality).

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#113775 by Leefeller

Leefeller, my sentiments exactly.

Either ITW changed her name to Lee or she has a clone.

Oh, Benedict, my ex-love. You are just angry because I threw you out.  I told you to give me 9 inches and make it hurt but I NEVER IMAGINED you would take it to mean screw me THREE times and hit me in the head with a rock! Ouch!

No more nazis for me! Your swastika gave me a rash, but amoxicillan cleared it right up!

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By Lee, November 15, 2007 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

To all you anti American and anti Israeli fools. America’s and freedom’s real enemy is radical Islam ... you misguided (or maybe intentional) traitors deserve to inherit this: http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20071115_saudi_court_punishes_rape_victim/

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By Lee, November 15, 2007 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

I have been visiting social websites, like http://www.truthdig.com/ , reading the articles, as well as comments which are posted by visitors to the site. I was astonished to discover how many anti-semitic and anti Israel postings there were. Some of the postings express extremely ugly bigotry. I know this website reflects an extreme left wing view, but I was surprised that the website didn’t censor much of the extreme hate mail. I can’t help but wonder if this new wave of anti-Semitism is simply the typical knee jerk prejudice which Jews have had to endure throughout history ... or, a planned, concerted effort, via the internet, by Islamic radicals to use Jews and Israel as scape goats.

This phenomena is particularly puzzling, since Israel has consistently stood by America as our only true ally in the middle east ... while it’s Islamic neighbors have consistently produced anti American sentiment, including Palestinians who cheered in the streets after 911 ... terrorists who bombed the Marine barracks in Lebanon ... the attack on the American navy ship Cole ... etc., etc. ... plus Islamic bombings in Spain, England, Bali, etc., etc..
We always see television news footage of Islamic people burning our flag, marching over our flag, and burning Uncle Sam in effigy ... not to mention the teaching of hatred of Americans to children in madressas ... and kidnappings, beheadings, and death threats to western journalists and cartoonists.

Even if people are unhappy with our current administration, how can they ignore the fact that the United States and Israel are defending freedoms and rights which are forbidden by the Islamic countries. I can’t believe that Americans, who cherish our basic freedoms are defending countries who have outwardly proclaimed their fanatic commitment to take away our freedoms, and replace them with sharia law. This irrational phenomena leads me to conclude that the anti American and anti Israeli propaganda is being promoted by radical Islamists who are taking advantage of our free speech ( which they do not allow in their own countries) and using it against us. The radical Islamists lies that are being propagated include disinformation, plus efforts to rewrite history, including denial of the holocaust.

If the radical Islamists prevail, they will not make a distinction between Jewish, and non Jewish Americans who supported their cause on these websites ... they will be happy to destroy both groups with equal relish. Let’s just hope that these misguided Americans, who are being duped into betraying our country and our principles, will see the truth, rather than follow their anti-Semitic hatred before it’s too late ... or we’re all doomed.

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Israel discovers another Planet and moves there.

Earth breaks out into Peace and Happiness.

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By Robert, November 15, 2007 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment

#113788 by Non Credo on 11/15 at 11:44 am
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RE: #113755 by Robert on 11/15 at 9:14 am
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Poor Lee Feller;

Robert’s article about Jews commonly spitting on Christians in Jerusalem comes straight from Haaretz, an Israeli paper. Robert provides the link.

But Lee has to insist that it must be a bunch of lying propaganda. He can’t stand the fact that the ugliness of Israeli Jewish supremacism and bigotry toward non-Jews is becoming common knowledge. In the age of the internet, American Jewish liberals can no longer prevent the American taxpayer from finding out what kind of ugliness our “aid” to Israel supports.

End the “special relationship” now. Americans need Israel like they need colon cancer.
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NC…

This “Lee” is just another poster for the Hasbara Clown’s Club! When and all their “Zionist HASBARA” efforts fail to silence, intimidate, side-track, discredit a critic of Zionism/Israel…its almost always for these guys to label him/her an anti-semite, liar, propaganda, mention Hitler, Jewish deaths & suffering… and they just assume that their ADL/AIPAC tactics to silence critics of Zionism/Israel does the trick for their agenda.

Their worn out zionist hasbara methods are too familiar to all us. These guys goal is to side-track and divert the main issues. They want to conduct a “semi-civil” comment/posting situation, but they don’t want anyone to expose the evils of zionism and Israel’s apartheid regime. IN OTHER WORDS…DON’T CRITICIZE THEIR BELOVED ISRAEL, AIPAC, ADL AND ISRAEL’S IDF CHILD KILLERS…AND WE WILL BE SEMI-CIVIL TOWARDS YOU.

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By PatrickHenry, November 15, 2007 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

#113775 by Leefeller

Leefeller, my sentiments exactly.

Either ITW changed her name to Lee or she has a clone. The M.O. of rhetoric and name calling is a near match.  Bla Bla, Aryan, bla, bla, Nazi, bla bla, bigot, bla bla, Goebbels.  No intellect used here.

I believe campaign finance reform is long overdue ending lobby contributions to individuals by those entities. The U.S. should bring all the troops home and close our bases in every country, our embassy should serve as our representation besides GM, Ford, McDonalds, Walmart, etc.  If a country gets out of line, refer it to the U.N. for mediation and if that fails have a worldwide boycott until the offending nation relents.

The aid provided by the U.S. to other countries should be our expertise in farming and engineering to make those countries self sufficient.  Providing food to the starving and giving a helping hand in natural disasters is the America I’m proud to be a part of.  Giving a nation a fleet of F-15 fighters to bomb their neighbors stone huts is reprehensible.

There is a good show on HBO as of late, To die in Jerusalem, it gives a very good look at why we in the U.S. should not interfere on the side of Israel.

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By Howard, November 15, 2007 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

THE SPITTING NEWS ITEM

I think its great that Haaretz printed that article.  Like in our country if there is a ‘hate crime’ we come down hard on the students or perpetrators.  Shows democracies like ours in the U.S. and in Israel can get ontop of things like that so they are not repeated.  Not many countries are like that !

Witness the following off the AP wire:

Hamas Carries Out Mass Arrests and Puts Down Gaza Schoolgirl Demonstration - Paul Martin and David Byers

Baton-wielding police officers from Hamas dispersed a pro-Fatah demonstration by schoolgirls from Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza on Tuesday. The headscarved students had gathered in front of the town’s police station chanting “Shia, Shia, Shia,” a derogatory reference to Iran’s backing of Hamas, after going on strike in protest at the killings of Fatah members Monday. Hazem abu Shanab, one of the few remaining Fatah senior figures in Gaza, said the Hamas paramilitary police had arrested “hundreds” of Fatah supporters or members overnight, and that “hundreds more” were on the wanted list. (Times-UK)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2863307.ece

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By Leefeller, November 15, 2007 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

FYI, it should be noted that Leefeller and Lee are two different posters, what they both seem to have in common, they both can spot a bigot for what it is.  Now - I am talking about myself in the third person?

Is it possible that spiting on someone is a term of endearment, remember seeing that someplace? 
For some reason I find the whole spitting thing amusing only because it is not quite the same as sticking a gun up someone’s ass and pulling the trigger. 

We seem to be wasting our money everyplace but at home, guess we do waste money here too, but in much smaller amounts.  For the record, my feeling is we should not be supporting any other countries except our own, now with the new world order, I am whistling in the wind.

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By Leefeller, November 15, 2007 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Myronh,

My wish list would start with accountablity to the people by our government.  Banning lobbies would be the first order of business.  Breaking up monopolies would be a close second. We could start with a president that did not lie and who was not beholding to special interests, we are limited to three presidential candidates that fit that mold.

Misfortune would have it my wishes are sub servant to the demands of lies of the controling special interests.

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By Lee, November 15, 2007 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

RE: #113755 by Robert on 11/15 at 9:14 am

Hey Robert, along with Aryan-tologist it’s obvious that you’re just a hateful bigot also.  With your passion for spreading lies and hate propaganda, I’ll bet that you spent a lot of time studying Joseph Goebbels. But, Goebbels succeeded in brain washing others, because he was able to take control of all media in nazi Germany. With today’s multimedia, your sick message simply reveals you to be a weak little man.

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By Lee, November 15, 2007 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

RE: #113712 by Aryan-tologist on 11/15 at 5:43 am

Aryan-tologist it’s so obvious that you’re just a hateful bigot.

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By Myronh, November 15, 2007 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

I have read every comment on numerous TD articles regarding the effect religion and Lobbies have on the US Government and Military. What bothers me the most is the fact that the people in a position of power are able to lead the majority of the US population around like a flock of sheep. I believe the “Cowboy philosophy” combined with the Evangelist movement permeates all the red-states. The average “Joe and Jane” believe anything they hear or read that condemns any government action that will help the poor. They also believe that every Arab should be nuked because we let 19 Arabs with box-cutters make war on the US; just another rerun of High Noon at the OK-Corral.

I have questions for everybody. How do we educate the US population to listen to logic, instead of ridiculous actions such as: boycotting the Dixie Chicks for condemning GWB: insisting Politicians profess their faith in G-d; advocate creation and condemn evolution; condemnation of homosexuals and abortion; etc.? What ever happened to the concept of compassion for those less fortunate, which includes the poor, homosexuals, and women with unwanted pregnancy? How do the unfortunate affect your family and your life?

I will admit to not being part of the unfortunate population, but I certainly have compassion for those that are.

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By Robert, November 15, 2007 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them

By Amiram Barkat

November 15, 2007

“A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem’s Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.

On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop’s 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.

Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from approaching the Old City for 75 days.

But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something.

“When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don’t they take harsher measures?” he asks.

According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, “as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country.”

Rossing says there are certain common characeristics from the point of view of time and location to the incidents. He points to the fact that there are more incidents in areas where Jews and Christians mingle, such as the Jewish and Armenian quarters of the Old City and the Jaffa Gate.

There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the Purim holiday.“I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire Purim holiday,” he says.

Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes the situation as “a huge disgrace.” He says most of the instigators are yeshiva students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with disdain.

“I’m sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it,” he says.

Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in the Jewish quarter, near his home. “A group of yeshiva students spat at us and their teacher just stood by and watched.”

Jerusalem municipal officials said they are aware of the problem but it has to be dealt with by the police. Shmuel Ben-Ruby, the police spokesman, said they had only two complaints from Christians in the past two years. He said that, in both cases, the culprits were caught and punished.

He said the police deploy an inordinately high number of patrols and special technology in the Old City and its surroundings in an attempt to keep order.”

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=487412

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By Inherit The Wind, November 15, 2007 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

Aryan-tologist uses the phony argument that no Palestinian state would be “real” unless it had parity with Israel—whatever that means.

Why should it? Israel has money and industry and stability.  Tne new Palestinian state will need to develop those things itself, because they can’t be just handed to them.

“Must be good for Israel”  I don’t know exactly what that means but I damn well know Israel won’t let a Palestinian state be established that has as its primary goal the destruction of Israel. Why should it? NO nation on earth would allow a neighbor to be founded sworn to its destruction if it had the power to prevent it.

All this phony talk of “nation as prison” is just that—inflamatory propaganda to try to whip up hatred for Jews. It’s rhetoric, not fact.

And it’s typical of a biological racist like Aryan-tologist that he holds the Palestinian people INCAPABLE of ruling themselves in their own state…somehow it will still be a “prison”.

Aryan-tologist wants Israel destroyed and every Jew in the world exterminated because he thinks that will bring peace to the Middle East and solve the world’s problems.

Like all bigots, he’s too full of hate and stupidity to recognize that the world’s problems are problems, complex and difficult. Simple scapegoating appeals to empty hateful minds like his and “Robert” and BenedictArnold.  Easy, simple and wrong.  And terribly evil.

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By Leefeller, November 15, 2007 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Sounds like we should be firing up the ovens for Aretologist, the glee on his face would bring a tear to Adolf’s eye.  It is one thing to argue over an issue, it is something else to attack a people. As much as you like to blame everything on the jewish people, from your hang nail to your inability to see the real problem, your smallness and inability to see what is real covers the real problems.

Lobbies need to be kicked or banned from the halls of congress, accountability to the people not lobbies and integrity of our so called representatives must be established, before any real problems will ever be addressed.  All lobbies, focus on all lobbies and you may get more support, keep your bigotry were it should stay, at your next KKK meeting.

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By Robert, November 15, 2007 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

August 15, 2007
The Peculiar Relationship
“No American President Can Stand Up to Israel”

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

“No American President can stand up to Israel.”

“These words came from feisty Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations (1967-1970) and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1970-1974). Moorer was, perhaps, the last independent-minded American military leader.

Admiral Moorer knew what he was talking about. On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked the American intelligence ship, USS Liberty, killing 34 American sailors and wounding 173. The Israelis even strafed the life rafts, machine-gunning the American sailors leaving the stricken ship.

Apparently, the USS Liberty had picked up Israeli communications that revealed Israel’s responsibility for the Six Day War. Even today, history books and the majority of Americans blame the conflict on the Arabs.

The United States Navy knew the truth, but the President of the United States took Israel’s side against the American military and ordered the United States Navy to shut its mouth. President Lyndon Johnson said it was all just a mistake. Later in life, Admiral Moorer formed a commission and presented the unvarnished truth to Americans.

The power of the Israel Lobby over American foreign policy is considerable. In March 2006, two distinguished American scholars, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, expressed concern in the London Review of Books that the power of the Israel Lobby was bending US foreign policy in directions that serve neither US nor Israeli interests. The two experts were hoping to start a debate that might rescue the US and Israel from unsuccessful policies of coercion that are intensifying Muslim hatred of Israel and America. The Israel lobby was opposed to any such reassessment, and attempted to close it off with epithets: “Jew-baiter,” “anti-semitic,” and even “anti-American.” Today Israeli citizens who oppose Zionist plans for greater Israel are denounced as “anti-Semites.”

Many Americans are unaware of the influence of the Israel lobby. Instead they think of the US as “the world’s sole superpower,” a macho new Roman Empire whose orders are obeyed without question or the insolent nonentity is “bombed back to the stone age.” Many Americans are convinced that military coercion serves our interest. They cite Libya, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and now they are ready to bring Iran and Pakistan to heel with bombs.

This arrogance results in the murder of tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of men, women and children, a fate that many Americans seem to believe is appropriate for countries that do not accept US hegemony.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08152007.html

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By Aretologist, November 15, 2007 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

Inherit The World -  As in “Yee shall inherit the earth” (as you have inherited America)
And as in: “You shall have dominion over every living thing on earth” (by conditioning and then taking advantage of America)

What kind of nation are you hoping the Palestinians will have?  I’ll tell you what kind.

Whatever kind is “good for the Jews.”

The Palestinians are trapped and incarcerated. Who knows what kind of pressure (torture) Israel is using them now to force them to accept Israel’s terms. If the techniques the Israelis are using on the Palestinians are anywhere close to the type AIPAC uses on our politicians - then the Palestinians will have to “go along to get along” to get along with Israel - just like our politicians do.

And a Palestinian state will not even be close in likeness or symmetry to Israel. Simply because “Normal” Jews - the majority of Israelis - will never “level” themselves.

Only “self-hating” Jews - i.e., decent human beings accept the doctrine of equality,  of being “equal” to non Jews.

“Normal” Jews level others - make others equal to others. They never permit being equal to others. “Normal” Jews consider themselves “A People Apart.”

Why? Because but God Himself - (who else when it comes to the Jews?)  ordered Israel - and thus the Jewish people - to always be a separate nation; a nation never equal to other nations and a people never equal to other people since God elected them to be mankind’s blessing and light etc. etc.

The only kind of state Israel wants the Palestinians to have is either one that resembles the Palestinian state of today - a prison masquerading as a country; or a country like America today - a country thoroughly subservient to Israel with a tampered with - “fake” -  democracy.

That kind of fake Palestinian state would be “normal” to Israel just as America is “normal” to Israel. “Normal” even though it calls itself a democracy but where just 2% effectively control the other 98% through their - AIPAC‘s -  control
of our politicians.

This is provable in any halfway honest, half way sane and conscious courtroom - simply by all using all the “evidence” available - articulated evidence and all the recorded evidence.

If were the Palestinians I would wait until after the 2008 elections before negotiating with Israel.

Maybe the Palestinians will be lucky for a change (and America too) and there will be some decent human beings in charge in Washington after the next Presidential elections.

By sane decent human beings I mean sane and decent enough to be able to judge right and wrong, good and bad, using ethics, morals, conscience and the Golden Rule as their standards.

Whatever Washington decides today, the only criteria they use is whether what they are deciding is “good or bad for the Jews.”

I would wait until 2008 and hope that someone sane and honorable becomes President.

Maybe then someone will be honorable and courageous enough to order the Justice Department to sue AIPAC - and Israel and any and all other Jewish Organizations in America that are guilty of either criminal racketeering or psychological-intellectual exploitation and mental abuse of people not their intellectual or psychological equals - i.e.,
our politicians.

They - AIPAC and all the other Jewish organizations in American - should be sued or indicted for “beating up” psychologically and intellectually -i.e., taking advantage of mental midgets who are obviously not AIPAC’s intellectual equals.  (I.e., our politicians.)

Or who are “moral pygmies” as Tom Lantos characterized some Yahoo executives recently.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 14, 2007 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

Non Credo on 11/14 at 12:26 pm
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ITW predictably explodes, writing:

After you reamed me over calling “Robert” “Robert-Abu” you DARE to use a phrase like “Or did you just pull this lie out of your Chosen ass as usual?”
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I don’t mind admitting that I thoroughly dislike the “chosenness” meme that is the cultural basis of much Jewish pro-Israel fanaticism - and that notion is quiet evident even in the world view of many Jews who consider themselves non-religious. It’s pretty obviously basic to Israel’s founding ideology.

My sarcastic reference to Howard’s “we’re special” mentality is perfectly appropriate in addressing his infuriating obtuseness and sanctimony.

If you think that’s anti-Semitic, well - you know what, ITW?  I’m not impressed with you in the slightest, and I really don’t care what you think of me.

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I’m heart-broken to hear that.

I’ve had enough of your “situational ethics” and your “Do as I say, not as I do” ethos.

I never claimed to be “chosen”.  I just want there to be one tiny place in this world I can go to if I have to and be accepted, without fear I’ll be turned on, sooner or later, solely because I was born a Jew. 

Even in my beloved homeland, the United States of America, where it SHOULD be true, it’s not.  Just read the thread on the Air Force Academy.  It sends shivers down Protestant Christian spines—imagine what it does to Catholic, Moslem, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Agnostic and Atheist spines.

Sooner or later, in every other nation on earth, a bunch of shitheads, like you, start making scapegoats, yet again, of Jews. It always starts with a small, distinct group, and then spreads to include every Jew, from Atheist to Chasid. I’m fighting that, because it’s a fight for my life and the lives of my children.

And that’s something I hope you’ll one day understand, because you sure as hell don’t understand it now.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 14, 2007 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Howard:

It was NC’s response and quote of you I was addressing.

Guess you figured that out.

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By Howard, November 14, 2007 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

ooops,
sorry,  guess you is talkin’ to the Other guy…

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By Howard, November 14, 2007 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

#113546 by Inherit The Wind on 11/14 at 10:28 am

Easy ITW, I would Never call YOU that !  no reason to…or intention to.  Might you have me mixed up with someone else??

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By Howard, November 14, 2007 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

#113526 by Non Credo on 11/14 at 9:05 am

A lie it is not…..


Cable News Network (CNN) showed just a few weeks ago and article like I mentioned. I watched it twice. Its Iranian-born chief foreign correspondent –Christiane Amanpour produced and presented a six-hour special entitled “God’s Warriors.” The program aired over a weekend and dealt with the intersection of religion and politics. The first evening featured Judaism, the second dealt with Islam and the last with Christianity.

The overriding impression I got from watching this six-hour program is that it is a case of pure moral relativism, presented with a secular agenda, and with a particular antipathy towards the Judeo-Christian belief system.

Amanpour’s efforts to convince the American and Western viewing public that Jewish “terrorism” in Israel (those who live in settlements in Judea and Samaria), and Christian “terrorism” (those burning abortion clinics) is basically no different from the terrorism of Hamas, Hezbollah, and al-Qaeda killers is farcical at best.

Nowhere does Amanpour mention the fact that Muslim Palestinians and Lebanese invented the modern version of “suicide bomber” and “aircraft hijacking.” Nor did she provide for the dichotomy that Islam unlike Judaism and modern-Christianity employs jihad as one of its prime tenets.
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The New York Times has frequent editorials and articles on its op-ed page (which has authors from all over the world ) that are critical of Israel. 
They show letters and news reports from both sides of the problem more than any newspaper in the world.
I repeat, b-o-t-h s-i-d-e-s .

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By Inherit The Wind, November 14, 2007 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

Non Credo on 11/14 at 7:28 am
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from #113477 by Howard on 11/14 at 6:00 am:

“I see tons of anti-Israel press items.”
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Where, Howie? On rense.com? In your fevered dreams? Or did you just pull this lie out of your Chosen ass as usual? I’m talking about the mainstream US corporate media - you know, the big TV outlets where most Americans get their news, like CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and also the “liberal” New York Times.

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You are as big a hypocrite as anyone here at Truthdig. 

After you reamed me over calling “Robert” “Robert-Abu” you DARE to use a phrase like “Or did you just pull this lie out of your Chosen ass as usual?”

In the future, spare me your phony moral outrage—you are just as much in the muck as everyone else here.

While you and the other fakers are bemoaning Israel’s “oppression” of the Palestinians, THEY are busy trying to put together some sort of real government and stable police to undo the damage that Hamas and the Hamas/Fatah civil war is doing.  Many of them would be happy if Israel would let them settle things themselves a little more, like in Nablus.  They are even studying Hebrew in preparation for future interactions.

It’s clear what MOST Palestinians REALLY want is a stable state and government so they can get back to their lives.  I believe most Israelis want this too—for the Palestinians, and for themselves.

The hatred whipped up against Jews in general and Israel in particular from abroad (meaning outside Israel the territories) serves no good except to get more people killed.

How long were the “Troubles” in Northern Ireland prolonged by funding and passionate beliefs based on garbage rather than facts by Americans of Irish descent?  The IRA kept up the violence far longer than necessary (it should have ended in 1976) because they were funded by foolish and ignorant Americans.

What will Aryan-tologist and BenedictArnold and “Robert” and Non Credo do when the Palestinians form their state and make peace with Israel? How they’ll gnash their teeth in impotent rage when it becomes obvious EVERYTHING they believe about Israel’s relationship with the US is total crap!

Of course the peace is far, FAR more important—but the discomfort of these four (and others) will be a delicious after-dinner mint!

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By Aretologist, November 14, 2007 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

Howard - I am scared.

“Whoever criticizes Israel can expect painful and incessant reprisals… The President of the United States is afraid of it. Congress gives in to all its demands….. there is nothing which opposes it.”  Ex-Congressman Paul Findley

“It’s suicide for any politician to oppose them - AIPAC.” ex-Senator Fulbright, 1973

And it’s also suicide for any “goyim“ American to oppose “normal” Jews.

For anyone not aware of this -  the Jewish word for gentiles is “goyim.” -  and the Jewish word “goy” the root word of “goyim” means “cattle” and “unclean” in Hebrew.

But you know what Howard - if one looks at America objectively in uncorrupted reality - the Hebrew word “goyim” accurately describes reality. Especially in Washington. Conditioned - intimidated coerced - cattle.

The Palestinians are imprisoned simply because they lost their land to the Jews who took it back because the Jews claim God gave it to them 2,000 years ago.

And we Americans are subservient simply because no one in Congress - except Sen. Fulbright, Sen. Percy,congressman Paul Findley and a few others - had the courage, the character, or the intelligence to repulse AIPAC back in the 1970’s.

Do you expect that everyone in America will stay hopelessly unconscious of our subservience to Israel?

Or do you envision that the rest of the American people will eventually become cognizant of our subservience - and accept it - as all of our politicians throughout the country have?

Maybe Jews postulate that over a long period of time - after Americans have been so thoroughly conditioned and accustomed to being subservient - (like all our politicians have) it will grow on us (like being subservient has grown on them) -  and we will go along with the program to get along with the Jews - like our politicians do.

Is this also how you envision your “inheritance of the earth” and “your dominion over every living thing on earth” will play out?

With mankind cognizant of their subservience to Israel but contended as long as there is enough grass to eat and something to do?

I believe that because the Jews have all the “brains” - it is self evident -  and we are simply “goyim” - this is also self evident - that the Jews will do what all their geniuses have always done in the past.

They will “play it by ear” - whatever will be will be - supremely confident - as they always have been -  that they have all the geniuses necessary to deal with anything that confronts them.

Personally I think they do have plenty of genuises - much more brains than they actually need for the job - and will eventually prevail over mankind and have “dominion” over everyone.

Just like they have over everyone in America - (or just about everyone).

And we will certainly help them with their dominion over “mankind.”

Because as anyone half conscious can see it is pretty darn easy to turn (highly conditioned) subservient “subjects” into highly conditioned subservient “Conquerors.”

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By Howard, November 14, 2007 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

Well, for example, both CNN and the New York Times print/promote programs/publish many anti-Israel ‘stories’ !

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By Howard, November 14, 2007 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

RE:  #113466 by Non Credo on 11/14 at 4:59 am

      “” .....constantly complaining about the imaginary anti-Israel bias of the press is exactly how Israel’s supporters keep the press browbeaten and muted and reluctant to touch anything that smacks of criticsm of Israel. “”
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I see tons of anti-Israel press items.  The press in the U.S. is not browbeaten.

I would like to see little more of items in press railing against those countries and outfits that support anti -Americanism and deathly suicide murderers.

Like Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia.  For starters.

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By Howard, November 14, 2007 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

If Jews controlled the media, it’s not likely you’d hear Jews complaining so much aout the anti-Israel bias of the press.  It is true that the amount of attention Israel receives is related to the fact that the largest Jewish population outside Israel is in the United States , and that israel greatly concerns American Jews.  Large numbers of Jews do hold significant positions in the meda (though they by no means “control” the press as anti-semites maintain), and the Jewish population is concentrated in major media markets such as New Yourk and Los angeles, so it is not surprising that the spotlight would be directed at Israel.

Politcally Jews wield disproportionate power in the United States and use it to advocate policies that strengthen the U.S.- Israel relationship, however there is no evidence this has translated into favorable press coverage for Israel.  It is possible to argue the pro-Arab lobby has as much or more influence on the media and encourages an anti-Israel bias.

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By Tony Wicher, November 13, 2007 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment

#113378 by PatrickHenry on 11/13 at 5:56 pm
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“This leads to something bigger than AIPAC, which in itself is a tool of AIPAC and that is the zionist control of the media.  Not too many years ago there were over 50 major independent radio, newspaper, and television stations, today there are 6 conglomerates.  5 are owned by zionist jews and Murdoch has a questionable heritage.  One thing I have grown to learn is that jews support fellow jews especially when Israel is concerned.

I needn’t remind anyone how important media can be regarding who, what, why and when news items get reported and how a news item gets slanted, editorialized, embellished or simply not reported.”

PH,

I probably agree with Leefeller in that I do think your “Zionist control of the media” assigns Zionists more power than they really possess. Throughout history, the rich and powerful rulers of society have controlled whatever media existed at that time, and used it for their purposes, to present a picture of the “enemy” as evil and themselves as great, to sell wars and conceal reality from the ruled. The democratic remedy for this is freedom of speech and of the press. It is true that corporations control mainstream media; on the other hand, freedom is breaking out here on the Internet. The uncritical support of Israel we see in the mainstream media serves the interest of the military-industrial complex as much as the Zionists. It is a marriage made in hell for war and domination, not the wonderful alliance for peace and democracy Howard thinks it is.

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, November 13, 2007 at 9:54 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry you are right on with your comment about Zionist control of the media.Check out Arnon Milchan@Israeli Control Of The Media (Sept.1/07)at http://www.bollyn.com.

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By Howard, November 13, 2007 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

RE:  #113378 by PatrickHenry on 11/13 at 5:56 pm

”  I believe the U.S. constitution tells us to be non-interventionist. Israel would be forced to find a diplomatic solution if they and the Arabs nations knew the U.S. would not support Israel militarily. As far as Israel not starting a war, remember the USS Liberty. “
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The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.

And Israel certainly has been trying more than its enemies to find a diplomatic solution

  And if your are going back 40 years in time, let us look at the following more recent war-like events, which are far more likely to repeat..
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1982-1988 — Hizballah held David Dodge, acting president of the American University in Beirut, captive for a year; kidnaped and murdered Malcolm Kerr, a Lebanese-born American who was president of the American University of Beirut; abducted Jeremy Levin, Beirut bureau chief of CNN, who later escaped; held Reverend Benjamin Weir for 16 months; seized diplomat William Buckley and he was never heard from again; kidnaped Frank Reed, director of the American University in Beirut, and held him 44 months; held Joseph Cicippio, the acting comptroller at the American University in Beirut for five years; and abducted and murdered Col. William Higgins, the American chief of the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization.

April 18, 1983 — A truck-bomb exploded in front of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 63 employees, including the CIA’s Middle East director, and wounding 120.

Oct. 23, 1983 — A truck loaded with a bomb crashed into the lobby of the U.S. Marines headquarters in Beirut, killing 241 soldiers and wounding 81.
April 12, 1984 — Hizballah bombed a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force base in Torrejon, Spain, killing 18 servicemen and wounding 83 people.

September 20, 1984 — A suicide bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in East Beirut killed 23 people and injured 21.

December 4, 1984 — Hizballah terrorists hijacked a Kuwait Airlines plane and murdered American passengers Charles Hegna and William Stanford.

June 14, 1985 — Hizballah members hijacked a TWA flight and murdered Robert Stethem, a U.S. Navy diver.

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By PatrickHenry, November 13, 2007 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

#113230 by Howard

Not you too Howard.  Putting words in ones mouth is an act of a lesser critic.

I believe the U.S. constitution tells us to be non-interventionist.  Israel would be forced to find a diplomatic solution if they and the Arabs nations knew the U.S. would not support Israel militarily.  As far as Israel not starting a war, remember the USS Liberty.

Aretologist, I concur with your earlier post #113169, however the recent ones stating that Israel “controls” the U.S. I must respectfully disagree.  They have had stellar success in passing pork barrel legislation rewarding Israel in light of their treatment of the Palistinians and their noncompliance with worldwide nuclear weapons pacts and treaties, but they don’t control us, they scare our congress with bad press into giving them what they want.

This leads to something bigger than AIPAC, which in itself is a tool of AIPAC and that is the zionist control of the media.  Not too many years ago there were over 50 major independent radio, newspaper, and television stations, today there are 6 conglomerates.  5 are owned by zionist jews and Murdoch has a questionable heritage.  One thing I have grown to learn is that jews support fellow jews especially when Israel is concerned.

I needn’t remind anyone how important media can be regarding who, what, why and when news items get reported and how a news item gets slanted, editorialized, embellished or simply not reported.

This is what our elected representitives fear most, it is their life blood…..media.

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RE:  #113307 by Aretologist on 11/13 at 8:43 am

““A highly organized, highly dedicated, unethical minority, all working together have gained control of America and have been inculcating, conditioning us at their will. “”
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Wow, how did you find that out?.  My hat is off to you.  Whew. Such research and knowledge !

You blew the cover on ‘em.  For sure. You know they are watching you, don’t you?.

You better be real careful from now on.

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By Leefeller, November 13, 2007 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

Sick bigoted perversions, such as seen by the fetish focus of individuals, who if they could only see themselves as others, for what they are, hate fostering diatribes.

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By Aretologist, November 13, 2007 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

Howard: The point I’m trying to make is:

That in uncorrupted reality it is self evident that the Jewish people control, or regulate, oversee and manage - i.e., “own” - America. Because everything in America - whether it be AIPAC, Iraq, the Palestinian people, mass media - everything, every piece of legislation etc - is decided or considered or written on the basis of whether it is good or “bad for the Jews. History, reality proves this beyond any reasonable sane doubt.

Uncorrupted reality is a human existence where what is right and what is wrong, good or bad, is decided on the basis of ethics, moral, conscience, the Golden Rule - not on whether it is “good or bad” for the Jews.

That this truth, that everything is decided on whether it is good or bad for the Jews can easily be proven beyond any reasonable doubt - in a court where the judges examining all the evidence are not fakes and are almost sane and possess genuine sagacity - using reality and history and what is going on right in front of their very noses as “evidence.”

That it must follow if it is provable beyond any reasonable doubt that 2% of the minority using AIPAC and other Jewish groups effectively control America then America is not actually a democracy but is in fact a monarchy, a kingdom, a domain.

And it must follow then that if all the above is provable that the 2% minority are the monarchs, the king, our real rulers and not just “the 2% Jewish minority.”

Uncorrupted reality is human consciousness where things right and wrong, good or bad are defined according to logic and reason,  to ethics, morals, conscience, scruples - The Golden Rule.

That antithesis or opposite of an”uncorrupted” reality is a “corrupted” reality - where right and wrong, good or bad is defined according to what is “good or bad for the Jews.”

A “corrupted reality”  is usually the reality found in oligarchies/dictatorships such Burma etc. where all the people are subservient to a very small minority of the population. The small minority needs to corrupt reality in order to deal with any guilt and shame decent human beings would experience - and to maintain their power over the majority.

Thus just about everyone living in a country with a “corrupted reality” like America’s - is inculcated,  conditioned, and then “obligated” to define “good and bad” on the basis of whether it is good or bad for the people they are subservient to.                 

“Corrupted” realities can also exists in “counterfeit democracies” (such as America)- where the minority of the population which effectively control the country and use “representative democracy” as a “smoke screen” to bamboozle the democracy’s mainly unconscious citizenry.

“Uncorrupted” reality is usually found in genuine democracies e.g., in democracies where there isn’t an oligarchy behind scenes who in effect control the democracy. There is no “corrupted reality” in those countries because there no “need” for it by anyone.

A highly organized, highly dedicated, unethical minority, all working together have gained control of America and have been inculcating, conditioning us at their will.

This is all provable in court.

Another point I’m trying to make is that In a country where uncorrupted reality exists and where there is no minority controlling the country and thus no need to corrupt reality - AIPAC and the techniques it uses -  money, coercion and intimidation -  would be judged on the basis of ethics, logic, conscience and the Golden Rule.
I.e., not like in America where AIPAC and the techniques they use are judged on the basis of whether AIPAC is “good or bad for the Jews.”

Cont.

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By Aretologist, November 13, 2007 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

Howard (cont.)

Other points I am trying to make:

That this small minority in America, working with other Jewish organizations in other countries, e.g. England, France, Canada, Australia, et al - have (either through their own efforts in the various countries or their own efforts in America) have effectively gained control of practically the whole world.

This is obvious and self-evident. When the majority of the world’s leaders decide good or bad, right and wrong without employing morals, logic, reason, conscience or the Golden Rule - but mainly on the basis of whether the “good or the bad” is “good or bad for the Jews” - this truth this reality can only indicate that either all the world’s leaders are incredibly stupid or as subservient to Israel as we are.

That the principal reason we are at such a low point in our history - in morals, finance, wisdom -  is that mediocrities are in charge everywhere. White House, Congress, the Courts - even at the UN.

And that the principal cause for this is the work of AIPAC and the Jews (because it is “good for the Jews” to have mediocrities in charge because mediocrities by definition have no real intelligence.

That it’s obvious that the Jews believe that they have all the brains America - and the world - need.

That Jew’s can consistently rely on the fact that mediocrities are always be at their very best - i.e., will always mediocre -  and consequently won’t be able to discern right from wrong and thus will always be subordinate and in need the Jew’s self evident abundance of brains - i.e., genius.

And thus since all the mediocrities have never been able - and can be trusted further to never to be able to discern right from wrong, moral from immoral, good for bad for the Palestinians, Israel, the Middle East except by relying on Jewish brainpower or by deciding on the basis only of whether whatever they decide is right or wrong is
“good or bad” for the Jews.

The point I’m trying to make is that all of these facts are obvious and self evident-  in an uncorrupted reality - to any conscious human being, who is half sane and has some brains.

And finally Howard:

The fact is, that it is very difficult (indeed nearly impossible) to emancipate the hopelessly unconscious, hopelessly inculcated, and hopelessly conditioned American people from the chains - from their dependence, and from the subservience you’ve conditioned them to and actually seem to cherish.

That in an uncorrupted reality (will we have one soon in America?) some fat lady from Israel would have come to America and sung to a Joint Session of Congress and to the American people many years ago.

(But since the obvious is never permitted in corrupted reality i.e., America I don’t think we will ever be able to enjoy or savor the experience seeing reality or the “truth” being performed before a Joint Sessions of Congress.)

And of course, the last point I’m trying to make is that the only undertaking left now for the most highly organized, most highly dedicated and most unethical minority the world has ever seen (or hopefully will ever see) is to finish the job and get the Muslim and Arab nations as inculcated, controlled, conditioned, happy and subservient as
America and nearly the rest of the whole world seems to be under your rule.

“The most reliable way to predict the future is by understanding the present.”  John Naisbitt

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By Leefeller, November 13, 2007 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

Howard,

All lobbyist’s should be banned from the halls of congress, like rats at Taco Bell for health reasons. My previous suggestions that all lobbies promote their own best interest and not the peoples falls on empty minds of bigots who prefer with glee to focus on one.

As I stated before I do not blame the lobbies for existing, I blame greed of our supposed representatives, who like ladies of the night are bought and sold to the highest bidder.  (again my apologies to the ladies of the night)

As long as special interests have undue influence on Congress, not just one not just one, all special interests. Congress will continue to preform their traditional circle jerk.

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By Howard, November 13, 2007 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

More on the book by Mersheimer & Walt
  from the review by Foreign Affairs
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Walter Russell Mead
From Foreign Affairs, November/December 2007

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20071101fareviewessay86611/walter-russell-mead/jerusalem-syndrome.html
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” The book’s poor analysis of U.S. domestic politics sometimes involves a remarkably slipshod handling of evidence. One rubs one’s eyes, frequently, at the spectacle of these two academics earnestly and solemnly presenting fundraising letters and convention speeches and other materials by paid employees of AIPAC and other such groups as conclusive proof of those groups’ power and reach. Pro-Israel groups are hardly unique in their need to tout their clout and use the fabled blue smoke and mirrors to magnify their power. That is what every interest group in the United States does, so as to get more resources for its next “vital battle.” Mearsheimer and Walt are so fond of this kind of evidence that significant stretches of the book are devoted to the self-serving promotional statements of the lobby. The authors seem to think that such passages provide incontrovertible proof of the lobby’s importance: they convict the lobby out of its own mouth, as it were. Unsophisticated readers may be impressed; those wise in the crooked folkways of Washington will know just how far self-aggrandizing statements by lobbyists can be believed. ”

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By Tony Wicher, November 13, 2007 at 1:25 am Link to this comment

#113178 by Howard on 11/12 at 2:39 pm
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RE #113169 by Aretologist on 11/12 at 1:42 pm

“nah, Its not so about Aipac; I called them and asked them about what you said and they inferred you had the wrong info.”

Howard,

I had a good laugh about this. You called AIPAC and asked them how powerful they were and they “inferred” (I think you might mean “informed” you) that that they are mere pussycats? Took them at their word, did you?

“My word, if they had that much power perhaps we should let them run the gov’t.  The Pentagon, the White House, and Congress. I would think, though, those outfits have people who could think for themselves.  No?”
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However, I’m with you here, Howard.  I believe AIPAC and the rest of “the Lobby”  is a powerful interest group and that it is having a bad influence on American foreign policy. To listen to Aretologist they sound like some evil, scheming super-Jews controlling 98% of the population. The Lobby is not so strong as all that. Its power is based on the effectiveness of crying anti-Semitism at critcs of Israel. That is their special weapon. The American people are rapidly becoming innoculated against that weapon, which is unfortunate because it means a resistant anti-Semitic virus is evolving, such as Aretologist keeps expressing.

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By Howard, November 12, 2007 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment

RE:  #113221 by PatrickHenry on 11/12 at 7:28 pm
            “Let them fight their own wars with their own money. “
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They have not started any wars that I know of.

  Just defended against wars put upon them !

Yean, I know, you is gonna’ tell us next they started WWII,  the Korean war, the American Civil War, and were responsible for Vietnam.

Awesome people, eh?

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By PatrickHenry, November 12, 2007 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

#113169 by Aretologist

Excellent post, on topic for this issue.

I do believe the American mainstream public is waking up to the fact that funding Israel, with their agit propaganda machine, (demonstrated even here at TD) interferes with internal U.S. politics, encourages wars most of us do not want and does not serve our national interests.

Let them fight their own wars with their own money.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 12, 2007 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

Aryan-tologist just keeps recycling the same half-dozen posts again and again and again and again.

It’s the Goebbels Big Lie at work.  You just keep saying it no matter how many times it’s refuted.  If you post it 10,000 times, and it’s shown to be shit 10,000 times, you post it 20,000 times, figuring sooner or later the other side will get tired and you’ll have you racist lies out there, all over.

And that’s what Aryan-tologist is doing—posting it again and again, pretending to debate, when he doesn’t have debate in mind at all—but killing and numbing debate with repetition.

So we have to be vigilant.

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By Howard, November 12, 2007 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

RE #113169 by Aretologist on 11/12 at 1:42 pm

nah, Its not so about Aipac;  I called them and asked them about what you said and they inferred you had the wrong info.
  Disinformation its called.  No lobby except the Auto Lobby and the Pharaceuical Lobby have that much power.  It’s a myth. 
  Though surely the NRA also has as much as you say Aipac has.  Perhaps the Oil Lobby, too.
  Even Mersh and Walt don’t give ‘em so much influence. My word, if they had that much power perhaps we should let them run the gov’t.  The Pentagon, the White House, and Congress. I would think, though,  those outfits have people who could think for themselves.  No?

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By Aretologist, November 12, 2007 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

According to Ex- Congressman Paul Findley in his book “Deliberate Deceptions: Facing the Facts about the U.S.- Israeli Relationship” -  AIPAC joined with the American Jewish Committee and other Jewish groups in 1974 to form a “truth squad” to counter anti-Israeli information.

Findley writes: “According to investigative reporter Robert Friedman, the truth squad turned into a kind of Jewish Thought Police. AIPAC’s investigators - sometimes Jewish college students (monitoring Internet sites such as Truthdig), sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies - were used to ferret out critics of Israel.”

“These critics of Israel were often smeared with charges of anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of “self-hating Jew” if they were Jewish”  (such as Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky).

Findley says that “AIPAC and the American Jewish Committee’s intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the media and academia, fearing that criticism of any kind would weaken the Jewish state and the power of the Jews in America.”

“According to Gregory Slabodkin, a young Jewish scholar who was once an AIPAC researcher: ‘To date, revelations about AIPAC’s….smear tactics have barely scratched the surface of AIPAC’s secret activities…AIPAC operates a covert section within its research department that monitors and keeps files on politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-Americans, Jewish liberals and others that it labels ‘anti-Jewish.’

AIPAC selects information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the ‘guilty,’ together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed by their statements, often taken totally out of content.”

Slabodkin revealed that the head of AIPAC’s stealth section keeps locked up in his office ‘literally thousands of files on people and organizations that AIPAC deems ‘anti-Israel.’ Such as Jimmy Carter, Robert Dole, George McGovern, John Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Caspar Weinberger and John Sununu.”

Has AIPAC’s “research” section grown since 1974?

How many Jewish people are there out there monitoring us? 

And how many AIPAC “researchers” are right here at Truthdig!

What is going on in America?  Can an organization such as AIPAC legally do what ex-Congressman Findley claims they do?

If the Jews represented 98% of the population and the other 2% of the population had a powerful lobby such as AIPAC that controlled Congress and in effect “owned” America, the Jews would have taken the lobby and the country the lobby represented to court -  sued -  won easily and received compensation in the form of billions of dollars. The Jews would have gotten all their money back plus interest.

They would have subpoenaed a couple hundred politicians - former and later - and simply had them testify and tell the truth. The evidence would be overwhelming. It could be proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the lobby which represented the 2% of the population had used intimidation, coercion and threats to force their elected officials into giving billions of tax dollars to a foreign country.

This would have happened if the Jews were the 98% and their representatives were being blackmailed.

They would have sued and won easily. Anyone sane realizes that. But since they’re the 2% that will never happen because the 98% is too hopelessly unconscious.

Isn’t there anybody sane left in Washington to put a stop to AIPAC?

Has AIPAC ousted all of America’s rational and intelligent politicians out of Congress?

If that is the case then what kind of politicians has AIPAC left us with?

Politicians such as Florida Governor Crist, a Methodist, who put a Jewish mesuzah on his door to show his “respect and gratitude” to AIPAC who evidently helped him into office?

“Whoever criticizes Israel can expect painful and incessant reprisals and even the loss of his means of existence by the pressure of the Israeli lobby in Washington.” Ex-Congressman Paul Findley, 1993

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By Howard, November 12, 2007 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

#113110 by Aretologist on 11/12 at 9:51 am

Not sure after reading your 23 paragraphs below what your point is.

What does “AIPAC” initials stand for?  I’ll cheer for them. Why ?  Because they cannot be as bad as you are trying hard to malign. Seems like they could use a little help.

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By Aretologist, November 12, 2007 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

Anyone half conscious can see the obvious -  its self evident.

AIPAC’s “Thought Police-Researchers” are here at truthdig attempting to take over the comments pages by any and all means they have at their disposal.

They would undoubtedly bury the actual Reports if they could.  The whole magazine if they could.

The “Thought-Police” here use the same of tactics AIPAC uses in Washington - intimidation, furor insistence; and they add other weapons - goading, name calling, negative stereotyping, bullying, howling.

For every comment commending a report, while criticising Congress, or Israel, or complaining about the inordinate power of the Jews, or AIPAC - the “Thought-Police” leave 10 or more comments - in their conspicuous efforts to bury the critical comments.

They are our editors, our antagonists, our critics, our suppressors, our manipulators, our controllers.

In the same exact way AIPAC is the critic, manipulator, suppressor, editor, controller of Congress.

Similar to AIPAC their job here at truthdig is to intensify encourage comments and attitudes favorable to the Jews - “good for the Jews” and invert, annul, change, reject, attack any comments “not good for the Jews.

Jewish “Thought Police” are inherently paranoid and believe that any person attempting to enlighten another person and to make them aware of the truth and uncorrupted - is really attacking them personally since they are the principal creators of “corrupted” reality.

Their suspicions and paranoia also extend to anti-Iraq war demonstrators. The antiwar people must all be anti-Semitic. must hate all Jews -  because what they are doing is “not good for the Jews.”

This is what corrupted reality is like: The good are the evil, the evil are the innocent and the good.

What is wrong is considered right and right is considered wrong. If what you say is true it must be a lie because “it is not good for the Jews.”

The only criteria of reality or the truth for the “normal” Jew is “if it’s good for the Jews it’s true.”

If the truth - actual reality is “not good for the Jew’s” it is false and reality is corrupted to fit this definition of right and wrong, true and false.

Kidnapping and torture - Guantanamo -  is ethical because it’s “good for the Jews.”

Justice for the Palestinian’s is bad because Justice for them “is not good for the Jews.”

They turn everything upside down, reverse everything, make reality into what and need it to be.

This is the corruption of reality that has caused the mess the world is in today.

The Palestinians are evil because they are in jail and only bad people are jailed.

Israel “owns” America and okay because this truth “is good for the Jews.”

Reality is debauched. Nothing wrong with the people at AIPAC and there is nothing really wrong with the unethical things they do - so AIPAC stays in power.

Nothing changes in America unless any change “is good for the Jews.”

Nothing will change for the better in the world -  nothing will really improve until actual reality becomes the accepted reality and corrupted reality is ousted.

Nothing will change for the better unless truth is truth -  regardless of whether it is “good or bad for the Jews.”

Nothing will change for the better until the truth wins over the lies and the sane over the insane, and ethical intelligent people replace the unethical mediocrities that are in power.

Until high people replace low people, until good people replace bad people.

Nothing will change for the better for the majority of mankind until fakes are unmasked, dissemblers uncovered and puppets everywhere are removed from power.

But this will be very difficult for many reasons - the principal reason being that this kind of change would definitely “not be good for the Jews.”

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By Leefeller, November 12, 2007 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

When I was in the service, stationed in Memphis, I got my first taste of bigotry and racism.  Belittling or Lessening people or even demonizing them, for being different, real or imagined, from jealousy or just plain hate, is something I was never aware. 

Experience has taught me, arguments and words used by bigots are the same, no matter the target.

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By PatrickHenry, November 12, 2007 at 7:01 am Link to this comment

Back on the subject,

Theres the article talked about above which caused much ado when it was published in 2006.

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011/$File/rwp_06_011_walt.pdf

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