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Posted on Feb 27, 2007
Karen Kwiatkowski
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JAMES HARRIS: We’re there to stay in the sense that even, let’s say somebody takes office in ‘o8, do you think that we’re gonna be occupying those bases still?

KAREN KWIATKOWSKI: Absolutely!  And we don’t even have status of forces agreements with any legitimate government in Iraq to support those bases. They are illegal bases, okay. But yes, they’re gonna stay, absolutely, they’re gonna stay. And I’ll tell you, there are guys that have been with this administration for awhile, people, in fact one of the guys was an Air Force General that was involved with the Kurds ten years ago, he’s retired now, but he was actually the guy, his name escapes me for the moment, but he [Jay Garner]  was [Paul] Bremer’s predecessor for a short period of time. And he was fired, and Bremer came in and took over in Baghdad as part of the reconstruction phase. This is in the Spring of 2003.  And this guy gave an interview in Government Exec Magazine, February 2004, he said “we will be in Iraq, and the American people need to get with this program, we will be in Iraq like we were in the Philippines for anywhere from 20 to 30 more years. That’s the time frame that we’re looking at. And that is the life span of the bases that we’ve constructed there.  Yeah, we are not leaving these bases, and a Democratic president, I don’t care who they are, will keep those bases there. They will justify them and they will use them and we love that. We love it. So it’s not about what the American people think is right or wrong, it’s not about if we got lied to, what matters is, they did what they wanted to do, and as Bush says, and as Cheney says, “it’s quite the success.” And this is very frightening. Because none of this has ever been admitted to the American people, it’s only been hinted at by people that know. And of course the facts speak for themselves. The facts are, we are in Iraq, we have the finest military installations in the world, the newest military installations in the world, and we’re not leaving them. We’re not turning them over to a Shiite government, we’re not turning them over to a Sunni government, we’re not turning them over to a Kurdish government. We’re not doing that. They are American bases. We’ve got our flag there. And this is kind of the way they used to do things, I guess back in the Middle Ages. Maybe the Dark Ages. A king decided he wanted to go do something, he went and did it. And this is George Bush. We call him an elected president. I mean, he’s operating much as kings have operated in the past.

JAMES HARRIS: You called him “the war pimp” in your essay.  “He’s behaving,” as you put it, “a lot like a pimp would treat a prostitute, ‘you do like I tell you to do.’”

KAREN KWIATKOWSKI: That’s right, and over the money. “Get back to work.” We’re using these, we use these bases, we use these people, the country, it matters not one whit to us.

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JOSH SCHEER: With all we see in the news on a daily basis, is there any reason to hope?  Every day I lose more and more sleep, about soldiers who are dying. You’re talking about being there another 30 years. How many more soldiers are going to be injured and killed?  How much more money is this war going to cost? 

KAREN KWIATKOWSKI: Well the money, yeah, sure, the money’s a problem. The number of soldiers being killed will probably actually reduce in many ways because we will withdraw to our bases and we will not interface with Iraqis who hate us. This idea of what they’re doing right now, this so called three-block program, let’s meet more Iraqis so they’ll like us, that’s totally for show. The more Iraqis meet us, the more they hate us. So I actually do think though, over time, fewer Americans will die, and look how easily, look how easily this country has accepted the loss of those 3,200 soldiers that have died. I think something like 90 women, maybe more have died, mothers of children. They’ve died, and America has eaten it up, we have not complained one bit. They’re spread out over 50 states, hey, it’s no big deal. So I think we can certainly, as a country, accommodate future deaths and I think the death rate will drop. The problem is, it’s immoral, it’s illegal, it engenders hatred for Americans, contempt for Americans. It makes every American in the world a target for terrorism. It’s just plain wrong, it’s unconstitutional. I mean, there’s a lot of problems with it. Dead Americans, unfortunately doesn’t seem to be the problem for most of us, which is a shame.  We don’t like looking at ugly people, I will say that. And we’re seeing a lot of folks come back pretty deformed, mentally and even more obviously physically, deformed from their experiences in Iraq. And I think that could, that might give, I hate to say give hope, but realize the real moral price that we’re paying for this, that that can help. But quite frankly, I have no hope of us leaving Iraq. I think the intention was for us to put bases there, to stay there, operate militarily from there. And I think that’s what we’re going to do, Democrat, Republican, Independent, I can’t imagine anybody but Ron Paul, if you elect Ron Paul as president, those bases will be closed down. Otherwise…

JOSH SCHEER: Or Dennis Kucinich.

KAREN KWIATKOWSKI: Or Kucinich, there you go, Kucinich would do it too. So these are the guys we are able to elect, but chances are, I hate to say, the machine is not behind these men. So yeah, we got a problem. Now is there anything optimistic?  Yeah.  I’m a God fearing Christian. God has the power. How He might express that, I don’t know. But yeah, can the average American do anything about it?  I’m just not, I’m pretty not very, I’m not optimistic, I’m pessimistic that any single American can do much to prevent what seems to be going to happen here, attacking Iran and also this terrible thing we’ve done to Iraq which I think will continue to go on for many years. It will fester, fester for many years.

JAMES HARRIS: I’m one that believes the price of terrorism, I’m interested to get your perspective on this as one who watched us engage on this terrorist enemy, an enemy like we’d never seen before, at least from a military standpoint.  I look at terrorism, and I see it tearing us apart. And in a lot of ways I look at it and say, we’ve already lost this war because we now have a president who’s bending the Constitution. We’re looking over our shoulders. We question our whereabouts. This whole thing that went on in Boston with the advertisement, “is it a bomb?” There’s always that question. Perhaps the goal of Osama, perhaps the goal of these people was to make us afraid, and they’ve succeeded at that. My question to you is, in your mind, what is the true price of terrorism been for you?

KAREN KWIATKOWSKI: The military has been broken in most respects into the extent that it worked, it worked because it’s a mercenary force. We were so contracted out, we hired people that are beyond the law, that are not accountable to rules of war. And that’s how we function. So the whole military system, the idea of a defensive force, forget it, that’s done with. Constitution has been hurt by many presidents, but this president has done huge damage to understanding of the Constitution, its idea that it should restrain presidential power, that we should be conservative, small “c” conservative when we go out and engage in these adventures, the Congress has the right to declare war, we’ve ignored that for many decades. Just continued down that path. Te idea that the Bill of Rights is an option, the Bill of Rights is a set of suggestions has become almost mainstream belief. And this is terrible, this is a terrible thing. But I don’t think Osama Bin Laden did that. Terrorism is, obviously it has a political intent, but terrorism almost always, in fact I think in every case, when the political solutions are offered, when the politics change, when the people themselves change, terrorism stops. Terrorism to the extent that it is a crime, should’ve been treated like a crime, but instead we made it a war. Well there is no war with terror, terrorism is a tactic, you don’t make war against a tactic. So yeah, a lot of things have happened, I don’t think Osama had much to do with it, quite frankly, I think this administration, many of the people in Washington are quite comfortable with reduced freedoms for America and this is a good way to get those reduced freedoms, to basically break down and deconstruct the Bill of Rights and say, “well we didn’t mean that, we didn’t mean this.” It’s a problem. Our country has changed, and I think what people have to do now is kind of stand up and separate themselves from a government to the extent that they don’t agree with it and prepare themselves for real battle. Because we are gonna need to stand up very, I can use the word “vociferously,” I think that’s what we have to do, cause our own country is at risk, but not from terror, not from buildings being knocked down, that’s not what our country is at risk from, it’s at risk from our politics, from our abandonment of the Constitution, our devaluing of the Bill of Rights. We’ve lost our freedom. Osama probably couldn’t have dreamed that George Bush would help him out so much. I don’t think even that was his intention, I don’t think Osama could care less about our freedom, Osama’s issues have to do with Islam and the Holy land, Saudi Arabia, his issues are much more narrow than anything that he’s so called achieved. And I think George Bush has achieved this in a very weak and LAUGHS debased Congress has achieved this for this country. And so, it’s a big problem. I’m quite depressed about it. I don’t really have a solution or a remedy. I think we just need to wake up and see what’s being done, and then we need to decide if we want to be a part of it. It’s like that old thing, I’m not a child of the 60s, but you’re either working to fix the problem or you are the problem.

JOSH SCHEER: Now, Karen, I heard you make a reference to [terrorism as a tactic] ...Chuck Hagel made reference to terrorism as a tactic in a speech, and [how] it’s not a country, and you talk about Ron Paul. Why have the neo-cons been allowed [to do this]  , they’re not, to me, they don’t seem like the Republicans that I grew up with.

KAREN KWIATKOWSKI: No, no, they’re not.  And if you look at the history of neo-conservatism, it really traces its roots, well back to Trotsky, but if you go more recent, back to who was the guy, Senator from Boeing (Henry Jackson) they used to call him… big Democratic, 30 year Senator out of Washington State. And Richard Perle was on his staff, Wolfowitz I think was inspired by him. And he was a Democrat during the Cold War. And he was a pro, or I should say strongly anti-Communist democrat, kind of a strong defense democrat. And these guys migrated, particularly after Jimmy Carter, because Jimmy Carter, remember, what was he doing, he was trying to make peace. Remember that, somebody got a Peace Prize out of it, I don’t know what it was, some kind of approach between Arabs and Israelis, and Carter was part of that. And that alienated a great many of these folks who now we know as neo-conservatives because they have two things that they care about, one is strong defense, for whatever reason they like that, an activist foreign policy, and pro-Israel, no questions asked policy. So many of these conservative, pro-defense democrats, anti-Communist democrats abandoned the democratic party at the time of Jimmy Carter, particularly after the time of Jimmy Carter and his summit working on Middle East peace. And they came over to eth Republican party, and of course they came over with a great deal of money and a great deal of political influence and a great deal of voters. So now they’re in the Republican party, and absolutely, this happened, late 1970s.  so it is not, these are not the Republicans that we grew up thinking about, but they are in the Republican party now. Of course the Republican party now isn’t anything like what I thought it was, it’s certainly no Goldwater party, it’s a party of big spending, it’s a party of corruption. What do you want me to say?  They love big government, they haven’t seen a big government plan they didn’t like.

JAMES HARRIS: Henry “Scoop” Jackson was the guy you were looking for.  As we continue to search for the truth, and that’s pretty much the motto of Truthdig, we don’t believe we have the answer, but we believe that we should at least be looking for the answers. So as we approach that truth around the issues that take place in Iraq and perhaps Iran, we think you might be a good friend to have close to the Truthdig family so we’d like to check in from time to time.

KAREN KWIATKOWSKI: Sure, I’d be delighted, it’s great fun talking. And hopefully maybe in a couple of months some of these negative things I think are going to happen, maybe they won’t happen.

JAMES HARRIS: Maybe we’ll all be proven wrong… whatever the case…

JOSH SCHEER: I’m praying for it.

JAMES HARRIS: We’re both praying, even though Josh is not a religious man.

JOSH SCHEER: Oh, excuse me, I am a religious man.

KAREN KWIATKOWSKI:  Maybe we’re in a foxhole together. You know what they say, there are no atheists in a foxhole, and I think in political sense, many true conservatives and classical liberals, people that love freedom, unlike George Bush, people that really love freedom, we are in a foxhole. We are threatened. And so we gotta call on every little bit of help we can possibly get.

JOSH SCHEER: I believe in God, I don’t believe in big religion, just like I don’t believe in big government.

JAMES HARRIS:  There you go, we’re in a foxhole, so we’re on the same team.


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By usrmodem, August 2, 2007 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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I guess that incursion in Iran will be before election.

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By Bukko in Australia, May 10, 2007 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Right you are, Jeannine, and it goes even further back than Carter and Nixon, to another Franklin, the Delano Roosevelt one. He was the guy who decided the U.S. should have a strategic partnership with the Saudi royal family, instead of any future democratic faction, in order to guarantee U.S. access to their oil. And America has been in bed with those head-chopping, women-oppressing kings ever since. You seem to know your history, though, so you’re probably aware of that.

The root of the problem is that the U.S. is an oil junkie. And just as a heroin junkie will hit their own grandmother over the head and steal her wedding ring to get a fix, U.S. politicians and the SUV drivers who vote for them will do whatever is necessary to satisfy their petrol jones.

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By Jeanine Molloff, May 10, 2007 at 11:04 am Link to this comment
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One item has been omitted from this discussion; the involvement of both Democrats and Republicans in this travesty of justice.  From the Carter era; a doctrine was established which called for the use of the US military complex to ‘secure’ oil reserves through the world.  Such a strategy included the obvious use of military force through contrived wars claiming to secure democracy to those in oil rich regions.  Jimmy Carter solidified this policy as golden and it was dubbed the ‘Carter Doctrine.’  So much for peacemaking.  Any policy makers from this period on—cannot claim ignorance on the topic.  They were knowing accomplices, even if the crime was nothing more than a lie of omission.  This policy actually traces back to the Nixon administration, but Carter elevated the policy to the level of dictated doctrine.  The mainstream media acted as a de facto propaganda agency pushing the same tired old spin.  If we the public, want to enact any meaningful change—we have to take these pols off the pedestal and analyze their past actions and level of involvement.  We have to hold these pols accountable for their actions.  No more sacred cows.  Just the facts.  Verifiable and honestly documented.  WE HAVE A RIGHT TO THE TRUTH.  IT’S TIME TO TAKE OUR DEMOCRACY BACK AND REESTABLISH THE BILL OF RIGHTS.  IT’S TIME TO HOLD THESE POLITICAL THIEVES ACCOUNTABLE.  FRANKLIN WAS RIGHT; THOSE WHO BELIEVE THEY MUST SURRENDER THEIR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS IN ORDER TO OBTAIN SECURITY—DESERVE NEITHER.

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By Douglas Chalmers, April 20, 2007 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

Quote *allen: “...if all this energy were devoted to securing Israel’s future, calming the Palestinians…...”

Israel doesn’t have a future!

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By allen, April 7, 2007 at 10:28 am Link to this comment
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it’s quite a revelation to skim thru these posts and notice nobody wonders if LtC K. knows what she’s talking about./ secondly, it’s a bit of a shock that most everybody assumes Iran will be nxt, which I seriously doubt, & finally if all this energy were devoted to securing Israel’s future, calming the Palestinians, etc. it would be a hopeful sign. But the fervor to eagerly want a war which isn’t v. likely, is sobering.

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By Bukko in Australia, April 6, 2007 at 1:06 am Link to this comment
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Steve, I think you’re looking in a mirror… But you’re doing a heckuva job, Burnie!

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By Steve Burnie, April 3, 2007 at 2:36 am Link to this comment
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You people are idiots

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By paul kibble, March 27, 2007 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #60761 by Joe:

GIVE WAR A CHANCE? That line worked for P.J. O’Rourke but sounds a little hollow coming from a keyboard commando willing to put everyone’s ass but his own on the line. Anyway,  MISSION AACCOMPLISHED, since I believe that thing over in Iraq—-the name may ring a bell—-sort of qualifies as a “war” and after four+ years of constantly re-choreographed “cakewalks” to victory and thousands of bodies, there are some rumors (not all of them from lefty wingnuts) that things aren’t going quite as hoped (“as planned” would be the wrong phrase to apply to the Screwup in Chief and his enablers).

Speaking of chance, or chances, most of us with at least a pair of active brain cells knew the odds of a peaceful scenario in a post-invasion Iraq were minimal, just as we know that the odds of a peaceful scenario—-globally, not just regionally—-of a peaceful scenario in a post-nuked Iran are nil. That’s because there’s something out there called “history” and if you pay it a little attention, you may occasionally learn something from it . But then, “invincible ignorance” is a phrase of John Gregory Dunne’s I’ve had to use in this context before and, surprise, I’ve found another occasion to use it again.

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By Joe, March 27, 2007 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment
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War is hell, people die. we need to nuke Iran back to the stone age.

GIVE WAR A CHANCE

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By marie2, March 27, 2007 at 9:51 am Link to this comment
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I wish that our government would listen to us like Tony Blair’s administration listened to the British people.  We are no longer sold by their lies and we don’t want to hear more that’ll falsely place us in Iran.  We would like to see our tax money directed to more imporatant issues that will actually benefit our foreign relations such as foreign aid for global poverty in Africa.  In reality only .16% of our federal budget is spent on this important issue.

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By Allen Thomas, March 26, 2007 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment
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now retired, I once had a career with the Fed, twd the end a supervisor. So, a ‘retired Air Force Lt. Col.’ comes fwd with all kinds of inside stuff, I wonder how she reached such a pinnacle. Frankly, i’m taking her inside story with a pinch of salt. and we can watch for her book, ‘blowing the lid off the inside workings of the Pentagon.’

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By Arnold J. Robbins, March 25, 2007 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment
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Correction to my last e-mail - I meant to type “Iraq” instead of “Iran” in a couple of places near the end of the e-mail.  This is the corrected version:

Dear Senator (Insert Name Here) or
Dear Congressmen or Congresswomen (Insert Name Here):

I never thought I would find myself writing a letter like this to you but after reading more and more news reports about what is happening in Iraq and hearing rumblings that the Bush Administration is quietly preparing to bomb and/or provoke Iran into war, I have no other choice but to ask for the immediate action of impeachment of President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. 

I don’t care how you do it or what you do, but the Iraq war is a complete failure and a complete sham.  The United States government, under the direction of President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, paid Halliburton to build four US Army mega bases in Iraq [i.e., See the DVD “Why We Fight” and the February 27th, 2007, interview with Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski (retired) at ]http://www.truthdig.com.] 

The intent is for the US to maintain a permanent presence in Iraq for the next 20 to 30 years.  It doesn’t matter who is elected to run the government of Iraq - Shiite, Sunni or a combination of the two.  The US government, specifically the Bush Administration and the Pentagon, have no intent in handing these bases over to the Iraqi government regardless of who is in power or whether the Iraqi situation stabilizes in the near future.

The Bush Administration went into Iraq not because of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and not to free the Iraqi people from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein or because they really believed that Saddam Hussein was linked to Al Qaeda.  These were all just excuses to rally the American people to war.  The Bush Administration invaded Iraq to establish a permanent US military presence in the Middle East and to have a strategic position from which to more easily strike out against Iran and other nations in the Middle East considered a direct threat to America or a direct threat to the stability of oil supplies in the region.

For what other reason have we, the United State’s taxpayers paid for four permanent US mega bases in Iraq?  Now it all makes sense.  The Bush Administration manipulated intelligence data to support the invasion of Iraq or if they encountered intelligence information contrary to their desire to invade Iraq they either ignored it or tried to character assassinate the people who were raising red flags (i.e., the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson to discredit Joseph Wilson’s report that there was no credible evidence to support that the nation of Niger was trying to sell yellow-cake uranium to Iraq so that Iraq could manufacture nuclear bombs.).

There is only one option left and it must be completed as soon as possible:

IMPEACH PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH AND VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!

Sincerely,

Arnold J. Robbins

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By Arnold J. Robbins, March 25, 2007 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment
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A letter I just mailed to my political representatives.  Feel free to copy and paste and make it your own!!!  It all makes sense to me now and it is the most disgusting lie I have ever been witness to in my entire life!!!

Dear Senator (Insert Name Here) or
Dear Congressmen/Congresswomen (Insert Name Here):

I never thought I would find myself writing a letter like this to you but after reading more and more news reports about what is happening in Iraq and hearing rumblings that the Bush Administration is quietly preparing to bomb and/or provoke Iran into war, I have no other choice but to ask for the immediate action of impeachment of President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. 

I don’t care how you do it or what you do, but the Iraq war is a complete failure and a complete sham.  The United States government, under the direction of President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, paid Halliburton to build four US Army mega bases in Iraq [i.e., See the DVD “Why We Fight” and the February 27th, 2007, interview with Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski (retired) at ]http://www.truthdig.com.] 

The intent is for the US to maintain a permanent presence in Iraq for the next 20 to 30 years.  It doesn’t matter who is elected to run the government of Iraq - Shiite, Sunni or a combination of the two.  The US government, specifically the Bush Administration and the Pentagon, have no intent in handing these bases over to the Iraqi government regardless of who is in power or whether the Iraqi situation stabilizes in the near future.

The Bush Administration went into Iraq not because of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and not to free the Iraqi people from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein or because they really believed that Saddam Hussein was linked to Al Qaeda.  These were all just excuses to rally the American people to war.  The Bush Administration invaded Iraq to establish a permanent US military presence in the Middle East and to have a strategic position from which to more easily strike out against Iran and other nation in the Middle East considered a direct threat to America or a direct threat to the stability of oil supplies in the region.

For what other reason have we, the United State’s taxpayers paid for four permanent US mega bases in Iraq?  Now it all makes sense.  The Bush Administration manipulated intelligence data to support the invasion of Iraq or if they encountered intelligence information contrary to their desire to invade Iraq they either ignored it or tried to character assassinate the people who were raising red flags (i.e., the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson to discredit Joseph Wilson’s report that there was no credible evidence to support that the nation of Niger was trying to sell yellow-cake uranium to Iran so that Iran could manufacture nuclear bombs.).

There is only one option left and it must be completed as soon as possible:

IMPEACH PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH AND VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!

Sincerely,

Arnold J. Robbins
(address, phone number and e-mail have been deleted for obvious reasons but should be included if you decide to cut and paste and use this letter as your own.)

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By SxyPaula, March 25, 2007 at 2:52 am Link to this comment
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Why would George Bush want to go to war with Iran when there is so much soldiers getting killed in Iraq, It will just be a waste of taxpayers dollars at the expense of a war that makes no sense. What do he intend to get from going to war with Iran? I think it’s nonsense.

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By Bukko in Australia, March 23, 2007 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you, Crystal. I agree that everyone should read what Ritter is saying. He was right about Iraq, and he will be right about Iran. The fact that some of these close-minded people are coming to TruthDig, even if it’s just to disagree, is hopeful. If they read the truth, some of it is likely to infiltrate their minds. They are easily led, and the facts presented here might lead them to sensibility.

The insults of people who screen-name themselves after childrens’ toys don’t upset me, because I work with screaming, antagonistic demented people in hospital every week. And when I was in the U.S. I worked as a nurse in the Florida state prison system, where I had people who had actually murdered other people yelling that they would murder me. (Part of the intimidation tactics prisoners use, but they were on the other side of the steel bars, so I was not bothered.) Insults just mean that someone has gotten under their skin.

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By Crystal, March 23, 2007 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment
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Wow GI JOE… you need to listen to Scott Ritter speak. If you think that an ex-marine, ex- UN weapons inspector and ex-employee of the CIA is full of crap about nuclear proliferation needing to end, than you have an interestingly closed mind, in a very dangerous way for the rest of us Americans. It’s too bad.
You had a valid and thoughtful comment Bukko. I wish that others would be so lived, and educated enough to express their opinions in an intelligent way.

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By GI JOE, March 20, 2007 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment
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No Bukko of Australia, you NEED to zip your ignorant trap.
What you don’t get is that evil governments unchecked will eventually get out of control.
Evil governments must be eliminated in order for peace to happen in this world.
War is a necessary event in order to achieve this when diplomacy fails. Get it Bukko from do nothing Australia.

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By Bukko in Australia, March 20, 2007 at 12:53 am Link to this comment
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Looks like this thread was linked to an AIPAC site. GI/Jew, part of me wants you to get your wish, so you can see what would happen if Israel unleashed nuclear genocide on Iran. That would be Israel’s death, and you would be say “We’re SO sorry! We never expected that!”

Except I don’t want to see the rest of the world turn on Israel and let all the Jews there be slaughtered. I spent the summer of 1980 on Kibbutz Sha’ar Ha-golan, so lots of my sweat and a little blood (nicked myself with a machete chopping banana leaves in the fields one morning) is in the soil of Eretz Israel. Plus, you blind ideologues never admit you’re wrong, even when you get what you wish for and it blows up in your face. Like the war in Iraq.

Do you have any conception of how the world works? Do you realise that nuclear war isn’t some neat-o computer game with flashy graphics on a screen and no fallout—literally and figuratively—in the real world? I’m a nurse. I’m in the life business. I’ve seen too many people die in front of me to think it’s amusing to wish for mega-death. My take is that you haven’t lived very long, or seen much of the world, so you have no idea of what you’re talking about. I suggest you shut up until you grow up.

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By Bill Blackolive, March 18, 2007 at 8:53 am Link to this comment
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The root to cut of the present fear and noise is 9/11 coverup.  See, hear, speak no evil, ho hum.  It is so easy to puncture the rolling tire - get a braver name in the media to point out the official physics of 9/ll’s 3 buildings are impossible.  What a world. If anyone has anything else to add I am at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

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By Big Al, March 18, 2007 at 3:46 am Link to this comment
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This could not be more urgent.

Dawn Hoagland (Comment #59147) stated the situation so perfectly well and plainly that I can only repeat her post:

“The only solution to stopping this impending war with Iran is a double impeachment NOW. Dick Cheney and George Bush will not listen to reason. They are positioned to start another war and THEY WILL DO IT. We can’t give them the benefit of the doubt. We can’t trust them to do the right thing. We can’t believe their lies again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Stop this escalation against Iran NOW. IMPEACH CHENEY AND BUSH! Impeachment can’t be taken off the table. The Articles of Impeachment are outlined in our Constitution for just such a reason. Our founding fathers had the forsight to predict such a situation. They understood that power corrupts. It is our duty as citizens of the United States to fight against all enemies of our Constitution, foreign or domestic. Right now there is no greater threat to our civil liberties and the existence of the U.S. as we know it than Dick Cheney. Impeach this war profiteer and torturer. Call congress.”

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By A Jew, March 17, 2007 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment
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Bukko in Australia:
The Jews have always stood against the entire world.
See Bukko, we are still here despite the World of nations trying to destroy us over the last 3,000 years!
Just try it again and the final phase of Hebrew prophecy will indeed come true.

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By GI JOE, March 17, 2007 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment
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Bukko of Australia:

If Israel tactically nuked Iran’s “ATOMIC FACILITY PLANT” the world would do nothing about it.
Praise should be the only answer from the civilized countries of the world.
Just like when they took out Iraq’s nuclear plant in 1981. The world condemned them but found out that they saved the world from a nuclear Saddam Hussein. What fools the rest of you pathetic chicken countries are.
Thank the Almighty for his people Israel and the United States for taking an active role in getting rid of mad mass murdering dictators and nations that export evil & terrorism.

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By Dawn Hoagland, March 17, 2007 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment
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The only solution to stopping this impending war with Iran is a double impeachment NOW. Dick Cheney and George Bush will not listen to reason. They are positioned to start another war and THEY WILL DO IT. We can’t give them the benefit of the doubt. We can’t trust them to do the right thing. We can’t believe their lies again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Stop this escalation against Iran NOW. IMPEACH CHENEY AND BUSH! Impeachment can’t be taken off the table. The Articles of Impeachment are outlined in our Constitution for just such a reason. Our founding fathers had the forsight to predict such a situation. They understood that power corrupts. It is our duty as citizens of the United States to fight against all enemies of our Constitution, foreign or domestic. Right now there is no greater threat to our civil liberties and the existence of the U.S. as we know it than Dick Cheney. Impeach this war profiteer and torturer. Call congress.

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By Bill Blackolive, March 17, 2007 at 10:05 am Link to this comment
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Michael Moore, all this above is fun without one has the fear I do, in that there is a 9/11 cover up, which, if ever openly looked at by somebody with your name, would start to clear brush. Simply because the official physics don’t work, you know it. Any boyscout can see it. Very many people in and out of government know it, but, their or your fear is to speak, wherein, mine is to not speak.  Hey, think, you.  Run and hide in Canada or abroad but go honest.

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By Max von Schuler-Kobayashi, March 13, 2007 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment
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Roy,

America is already defeated in Iraq, the world knows it.  I have lived in Japan for the past 32 yearrs, Since the Iraq invasion, the reputation of America has plummeted.  Now, the Japan/America alliance is cracking.  America pressured Japan to give up oil filed development in Iran.  So Japan is talking to Russia.  Japan is negotiating a security deal with Australia, America is not invited.  Blowback.  That old argument to stay in losing war so that America does not look bad is not correct. 

America already looks quite bad, believe me.

It is time to show that the USA is a mature country, and to at least quit making the same mistake over and over again.  So pull out of Iraq.

As for some of the comments about Israel, I have seen some signs that some Israeli’s understand that dangers that PM Olmert has led them into.  There is movement in Israel to enter talks with Syria, all to the good.

I think Israel is going to have to do a South African style accomadation with the Palestinians in order to survive.  After their serious defeat in Lebanon last summer, purely military solutions are no longer viable for Israel.

And yes, Israel was quite involved in the planning for the Iraq war and a potential war against Iran with political moves of influence inside the United States. 

This has a strong potential for backfire, as more Americans become aware of this.  And the US is Israel’s only backer.  I think the Israeli’s over-played their hand.

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By Robert Noval, March 13, 2007 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment
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Bukko says “Al, I can’t believe Israel would be stupid enough to bomb Iran…” Probably not, but they’re probably crazy enough.

I would say that the question of whether the U.S. or Israel actually does the bombing is almost moot.

Remember the egomaniaical moron in the White House. Do you guys think he’s capable of NOT using “nucular” weapons while he still can? (Assuming he leaves office at the end of the current term, something about which I have grave doubts).

http://www.smallgov.org/?p=364

Be that as it may, over the sixty-odd years since nuclear weapons were actually used, a taboo against them has EVOLVED. I emphasize evolved; a generally accepted state of affairs amoungst the world populace, aside from any formalized treaty, such as NPT or SORT.

http://www.smallgov.org/?p=262

But the bush gang, led by Cheney, insists ALL options are “on the table”. To be taken seriously, they MUST violate and over turn this taboo.

The “they won’t do it because it’s just too horrible” argument just doesn’t wash. These people spend human lives with the nonchalance you employ sending pocket change.

Iran is the perfect target. Israel’s sworn enemy, they’ve seen their influence expanded as Washington, for reasons of their own, have attacked Iran’s other enemies. Most notably, Saddam Hussein. This worries not only Washington, but Israel and Saudi Arabia as well.

Whatever the direct impact or immediate consequences, those, combined with the certification of the willingness to employ them, assures us witness to a nuclear weapons assault on Iran. Possibly by Israel, more likely by Washington.

—-The Bikemessenger

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By Robert Noval, March 13, 2007 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment
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In response to Roy Oetting:

Calling people “thimble brains” hardly lends pursuasion to your arguments. Col. Kwiakowski is a much better writer than she is a speaker, perhaps you should try reading some of her writings before casting your sexist dispersions.

You should consider not allowing the bush cabal, whom you claim to despise, but who’s arguments you support, to define the issues for you.

There is no weakness exhibited in admission of wrong; nor in swift and orderly withdrawal, when continued occupation would still be feaseable, although ill-advised.

The war against Iraq, based on lies, motivated by megalomania, religious fanaticism, and fascist corporate profiteering has cost The U.S. all respect on a global scale.

Everyone fears the U.S., while laughing sardonically behind our backs. The only way to regain respect is to admit wrong and withdraw.

—-The Bikemessenger

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By Roy Oetting, March 13, 2007 at 7:11 am Link to this comment
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Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, pretty but not to bright. You all sound like a bunch of thimble brains.
  She talks about President Carter. President Carter was unimaginative scum bag. What person would hold back pay raises from the military when the country is experiencing double digit inflation? A vindictive ex navy president who wanted to get even for him not meeting the standards of Adm. Rickover. By the time the American people threw him out of office over half the married military was eligible for food stamps. That is disgraceful. President Reagan gave the military a raise that brought us back to the early 70’s standards. There isn’t a president I despise more than Carter. Clinton and Bush would be tie for second.  For a minute, think about the consequences of pulling out of Iraq ? World opinion - there goes the Americans again retreating with their tails between their legs. China would be thinking - Taiwan is easy picking. Israel would be thinking - time to escalate . Who knows what North Korea would be thinking. I really don’t want another young American to die. I don’t want anyone to die, but we are stuck in a situation that was created by 60 years of bad foreign policy. Instead of asking what is right the United States government has been asking what is easy, what is cheap? Both parties are guilty. Let’s throw another band aid on education, lets think a few more years about poverty. Mr President the next time you think you hear god talking to you, look in the closet and see who is really telling you to do stuff. Mr President we can not tolerate a country who uses their god as and excuse to hurt others. The Colonel suggested that we might nuke Iran. If we were going to nuke something Jerusalem would be a much better target. We would be saying look you mothers there isn’t going to be a temple or a mosque here and we’re not going to permit any more religious fanaticism.  I may have been a little extreme but hopefully you get the point. Zero tolerance. I guess the three of you are still in your foxhole. Please don’t get up just fill it in. Thanks!

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By Big Al, March 13, 2007 at 5:39 am Link to this comment
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Bukko writes:

“Al, I can’t believe Israel would be stupid enough to bomb Iran.”

Bukko: I still think the Israelis won’t bomb Iran.

Why should they, when they have enough political clout in the US Congress and White House to force the US to do it?

But you cannot possibly doubt that Israel wants this done. The Israel Lobby and the neocons have long been loudly demanding that this be done. They want it done yesterday.

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By Bukko in Australia, March 12, 2007 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment
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Al, I can’t believe Israel would be stupid enough to bomb Iran. Not only would that set off the same conflagration of Iranian anti-ship missiles blockading oil tankers from the Straits of Hormuz and worldwide terror attacks as a U.S. attack would, but it would bring a shitstorm directly onto Israel itself.

And the Israelis know that nothing short of nuclear weapons would do lasting harm to Iranian nuclear facilities. They’re dug in deep enough that anything less would be like a BB gun against a rhinoceros. If Israel nuked Iran, it would become a hunted outlaw nation in the eyes of the rest of the world (except for the U.S., of course.) No matter how strong they might be against their disorganised neighbours, the Israelis know they cannot stand against the entire world.

No, only President Cheney would be insane enough to attack Iran. Jury’s still out on that one…

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By Big Al, March 12, 2007 at 4:52 am Link to this comment
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One poster asks: “What if America asks Israel to do the deed?” [that is, bomb Iran]

If Israel agrees to bomb Iran, it will not be a matter of Israel doing the US a favor. It will be a matter of Israel, after being begged by its poor overextended American servants, to please take on at least SOME of the burden of this new war for Israel’s benefit.

Because “the deed” is 100% for Israel’s benefit and no one else’s.

Perhaps Israel might be ready to say to us, “OK, OK - maybe we’ll do the EASY part - bombing Iran (with the US paying for the whole thing, of course). But America has to do the hard part (i.e., everything else, including dealing with all the horrible consequences, and sending massively increased ‘aid’ to Israel so that Israel doesn’t have to deal with ANY consequences, including economic ones).

And we Americans are supposed to be grateful for this “favor” from Israel? They can go to hell.

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By DeanOR, March 11, 2007 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment
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I came to this article late (by eons in internet time) but wanted to say how impressed I am by Karen Kwiatkowski. She is truth-telling, bright, and courageous. Thanks for interviewing her! Her truth needs to be known. It is pretty much what I have heard from others and have surmised, but I was still stunned by the brazenness of the way she and her colleagues were muzzled. What a disgrace.

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By shepherd, March 11, 2007 at 9:58 am Link to this comment
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Comment #57674 by Max von Schuler-Kobayashi on 3/09 at 3:44 pm

“Bukko is quite right about the fight to the sea if America attacks Iran.  The supply routes for the US troops in Iraq are virtually unguarded from Kuwait to Baghdad, and they will be quickly closed.  Already supply convoys have been reduced from 8 daily to 5 daily due to security problems.”

What if America asks Israel to do the deed?

TONY JONES:  “Now Martin Indigt, the former senior Clinton official has suggested to us [Lateline] that military strikes on Iranian facilities could effectively be ‘subcontracted out’ to Israel?”

Transcript:  Tony Jones speaks to John Bolton
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2007/s1854644.htm

RealPlayer video clip: 
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200702/r127924_419298.ram

WMP video clip:
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200702/r127924_419300.asx

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By Bukko in Australia, March 10, 2007 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, Bob, although the citizens here are against the war, Howard is doing the same thing as Bush—sending MORE troops! Another 70 are going as “trainers.” So far, Aussies have kept out of combat and suffered only one soldier’s death—a guy who plugged himself in the head in his barracks whilst playing with his rifle. And they do manage to kill civilians, including a Hispanic guy from San Antonio who was working as a garbage truck driver for KBR and went to make a pick-up at the Aussie embassy and didn’t announce himself properly, so he got machine-gunned. How’s that for a twisted waste of life—Mexican guy working for Americans in Iraq, getting killed by Australians?

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By Bob Zimmerman, March 10, 2007 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #57328 by Bukko in Australia on 3/08 at 6:36 am

Glad to hear that Australian citizens are not behind this war, unlike their Cheney look-alike PM. That guy is clueless like our VP. Fortunately, the public opinion tide against this war and President Bush will force Congress to do something concrete for a change. We don’t need another non-binding resolution. We need our troops back home for a long r&r. Then we should go to Afghanistan and finish up the job there, and bring back Osama dead or alive. I just hope the U.S. can survive another two years of King George W.

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By Big Al, March 10, 2007 at 6:44 am Link to this comment
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What Kwiatkowski tells us is the same as what Scott Ritter and Brent Scowcroft and others are telling us: a US war against Iran is insanely contrary to our national interests, by any conceivable standard - yet such a war is what Israel fanatically demands.

The Israelis DO NOT CARE about the fact that this would be an apocalyptic disaster for the United States of America that would dwarf the Iraq fiasco by comparison.

If the Israeli right wing and their US lobbyists, media megaphones, and “think tank experts” didn’t want this, all talk of such a catastrophic “option” would be “off the table” in about two seconds.

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By Robert Noval, March 9, 2007 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment
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In re.: #57484 by Rob on 3/08 at 7:31 pm :

Right on, Rob!

Talk about hypocrisy, once the towel-heads get their precious “democracy” shoved down their throats by the Pentagon, they’d better be damned careful what they do with it. Just ask the Palestinians.

History shows that the current conflict was INITIATED by western powers. That fact defines the nature of the conflict.

It is ever incumbent upon the initiators, or their heirs, to end the conflict by ceasing hostilities.

How ever many generations the conflict may last, that does not change. The candy asses, as you so aptly characterize them, posture western imperialist powers as the “victims”. History tells the opposite tale.

It’s time to expose the war-mongers for what they are; guilt-ridden cowards who would exterminate their victims, bogus “self-defense” as the rationalization. This to avoid facing their own responsibilities for initiating and maintaining the conflict.

—-The Bikemessenger

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By Max von Schuler-Kobayashi, March 9, 2007 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment
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Bukko is quite right about the fight to the sea if America attacks Iran.  The supply routes for the US troops in Iraq are virtually unguarded from Kuwait to Baghdad, and they will be quickly closed.  Already supply convoys have been reduced from 8 daily to 5 daily due to security problems. 

Why do you think the British are leaving?  If America goes for Iran, they don’t want to lose their boys at Basra airport.  (they no longer dare to go into Basra city itself.)

I am a former US Marine.  One the US Marine Corps legends is the fight to the sea from the mnountains of North Korea in the Korean war.  Every cook and clerk and driver fought as a rifleman to get out.

Well, in these days, such support personnel are no longer US troops, but third world civilians employed by Halliburton.

I have seen published totals like something of 120,000 for such “private contracters” in Iraq.

If the US forces are forced to retreat, they cannot be depended upon, they are likely to panic and disintergrate.

This unreliability of support personnel raise my estimate of American losses in a retreat to the sea to something like 50%.

America is trapped.

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By Glenda Harris, March 9, 2007 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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This was quite an interesting interview. It is a great relief to find someone who is not afraid to speak her mind. I learned quite a bit from this interview. James Harris you make me proud.

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By Rob, March 8, 2007 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment
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Ya just gotta love those bleeding heart, neo “candy ass” cons who love muslims sooooo much they want to bring democracy to them.

Yet their always whining about muslims being warmongers who want to take over the world? Oh the hypocrisy…

...illogical thinking, double standards, ethnocentrism and dogmatism!

Watching neo “candy ass” cons is like watching lovable losers in an absurdist comedy. lol

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By Jeff Badura, March 8, 2007 at 8:13 am Link to this comment
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A illgramaticus correction for Comment #57245 =  I said “there is a revolution, a civil war going on between the monorails and dictators and the radical Islamics”

I meant to say=  “there is a revolution, a civil war, going on between the monarchies and dictators, and the radical Islamics”

sorry if i confused anyone ??? a spell check error slipped by me !! i dont call myself IllGramaticus for nothing !!

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By Bukko in Australia, March 8, 2007 at 7:36 am Link to this comment
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Good perspectives from Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, although she sure is weak on fine points. She doesn’t know the exact date that Gulf War II started (March 20, 2003) or Jay Garner’s name or what Jimmy Carter won a Nobel Peace Prize for? When people are that ignorant of easy specifics, it makes it harder for me to believe their larger points.

Kwiatkowski and some posters mentioned Scott Ritter. They didn’t go into much detail about the ABSOLUTE DISASTER Ritter forecasts if President Cheney attacks Iran. This will bring about the downfall of the current pattern of world civilisation.

* A Shiite uprising against U.S. troops and supply lines will kill thousands of American soldiers and force them to fight their way OUT of Iraq. Iran has had plenty of time to organise this with their co-religionists inside Iraq.
* Oil will go to over $100 a barrel, dragging down the world economy;
* Russia and/or China will retaliate against on out-of-control United States by dumping their reserves of dollars, undercutting the American currency and causing the U.S. economy to implode. Welcome to the new Great Depression!
* Pervez Musharaff will be overthrown in Pakistan and an al Qaeda-friendly government armed with nuclear weapons will take its place;
* Nuclear bombings by governments and terrorists will probably occur at various places around the world, causing nuclear winter and widespread radioactive contamination.

In short, if the Bush Crime Family is foolhardy enough to attack Iran, it’s the end of the world as we know it. I’ve read rumours that Army generals are threatening to quit if the attack order is given. However, what Kwiatkowski says about the Air Force and Navy wanting to get into the “glory” makes it seem likely that there will be a few flyboys willing to set loose the jets of war, and then it’s full-on.

Mates, I’m glad I emigrated to Australia. That’s how I avoid paying taxes for America’s killing machine. Crime Minister Howard has placed Aussie troops in Iraq, but the population is solidly against the occupation. If there’s a wider war, it will cause the overthrow of his Parliamentary majority. And I can think of worse places to ride out the conflagration than a relatively self-sufficient, geographically isolated place like this.

Good luck, my no-longer fellow Americans (except for you idiot war-wishers—JOIN THE ARMY IF YOU’RE SO KEEN ON DEATH, NITWITS!). You’re going to need it. And don’t forget the worldwide day of protest March 17. At least you can say you went down fighting…

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By jeff Badura, March 7, 2007 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment
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About Comment #56993 by August West

August, i would agree with you that for most of the 20th century our national security priorities were to keep markets open !!(and defeat Fascism-WW II and then Communism-WW III) but then after 9/11 some of us learned that placating dictators for a false temporary security is just passing trouble onto the next generation!! (not me, i was a neocon before we were named such)
   
      you are absolutely right the whole middle east is a festering pile of religious bigoted hatred (one of the unspoken reasons for going into Iraq) you should look to the Islamic world as one complicated culture , one area, don’t allow your mind to divide it up into the false borders we see on the maps !!! those border were set up that way after the Ottoman empire lost WW I, by Europe and just as the Treaty of Versailles helped bring on WW II in Europe is has helped bring on WW IV now in the middle east !!there is a revolution, a civil war going on between the monorails and dictators and the radical Islamics and 9/11 and the last 30 yrs of terror is a spill over of that war !! so there will be more war before we we have peace the radicals have to be killed off or there ways have to change and the monarchies and dictators have to give power to the people !!! its much bigger than Bin Ladden !! this is religious cultural warfare the radicals believe we are Satan and deserve to die !!! you and me included !!! we can argue amongst ourselves but they want both of us dead !!! so yes if Democracy took hold tomorrow the governments would be hostile towards us !!! but so be it !! true democracies have a way of liberalizing themselves !! we cannot disallow the people to have true freedom because we wont like it !!! that’s terribly hypocritical !! let them have democracy !! only trade with liberal democracies only talk to liberal democracies and if they openly threaten us if they openly attack us ?? then kill those leaders !!! 

Iran is next !! they openly support terror and believe in Jihad as the governments goal !! they chant “death to the USA ” on every possible opportunity !! that means you August!! there will be no peace with Iran’s current government in power if the war doesn’t start tomorrow? then it will be in yrs to come !! but there will be war !! we will start with strategic bombing, and hope that’s enough (as in Serbia) and if that doesn’t work ?? another invasion is sure to come within the next decade !! so the people of Iran will be pissed at us?? the UN will be pissed at us??  but in the end our grandchildren and Iran’s and Iraq’s Grandchildren will have a better world !!

and Bush’s bust will carved into Mt. Rushmore ha ha ha ha

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By Robert Noval, March 7, 2007 at 11:37 am Link to this comment
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In re.: #57150 by Mike Roberts on 3/07 at 8:17 am

Mike:

In the first case, she refers to our current, no going military action.

In the second, she refers to our strategic employment of the bases, presumable to be continued in perpetuity even after the “withdrawal” from Iraq’s currrent domestic strife.

—-The Bikemessenger

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By Max von Schuler-Kobayashi, March 7, 2007 at 10:43 am Link to this comment
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As far as maintaning those four mega bases in Iraq, I don’t believe it possible.  It is getting more and more difficult to run supply convoys from Kuwait into Iraq, eventually they will be forced to cease.

Then everything the US troops eat and shoot must be flown in.  America will not have the capacity to permanetly airlift enough supplies to maintain the garrisons.  Also, without control of the ground around those mega bases, the potential for Iraqi anti American forces to install Anti Air missles is too large to ignore.

If America cannot control Iraq, America cannot maintain the bases.  Karen is a former Air Force officer, I am surprised that she does not realize this.

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By Mike Roberts, March 7, 2007 at 9:17 am Link to this comment
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There seems to be a bit of a disconnect in Col Kwiatkowski’s assesments.  Near the beginning, when talking about Blair’s decision to pull out of Iraq, she guesses the Brit’s are leaving because they don’t want to be there after our next president gets our guys out of there.  But then, at about the 20:00 mark, she says we’ll probably be there for another 20 years regardless of which party controls the White House in ‘08.

Can somebody reconcile these two things for me please?

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By shepherd, March 6, 2007 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #57002 by matias on 3/06 at 12:46 pm

“...effort against a tiny group of fanatics, instead became a massive mechanized monster that eats money and lives…all the while not doing what it set out to do, which was, to GET BIN LADEN!!!”

Have another look at Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11; he covers it very well; it’s certainly worth the price of admission.  The Bush admin never had any true intention of “getting [or catching] bin Laden” from the start.  All rhetoric [empty] from cowboy Bush to appease the American people and its allies;  two days after 9/11 bin Laden’s family members allowed to scarper back to the Middle East without the FBI even allowed to question them, after the worst atrocity on US soil in its history, (well, excluding Pearl Harbor). 

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=16

Consider also Robin Hordon’s “inside job” claims for 9/11, if you already haven’t.  And how come 60 Minutes, or Frontline haven’t picked Hordon’s claims up yet?  (Or is Hordon ‘whacko’ too?  We live in a whacked-out world, and have for some time…) 

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/boston_air_traffic_controller_911_inside_job.htm

Matias:  “But, this country is now headed for multiple trillions of dollars spent for decades to come.  Our wounded soldier’s health care is going to be a large part of the expense.  And those mega-bases will still be there after the last of the Gulf War II soldiers dies of old age.” 

Kwiatkowski attributes this following quote to either Bremer or his predecessor, Jay Garner:  “... and the American people need to get with this program, we will be in Iraq like we were in the Philippines for anywhere from 20 to 30 more years.” 

See section 6 of Moore’s 9/11:  “He [Bush] proposed cutting $1.3 billion in veterans’ health care and closing seven veteran’s hospitals [Okay, it came under the banner of “‘restructure’ the Department of Veterans Affairs.”].  [But] He tried to double the prescription drug costs for veterans and opposed full benefits for part time reservist[s].” 

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=21

Maybe why bin Laden was never seriously hounded, given a decent head start immediately in the aftermath of 9/11 had/has something to do with:  “Saudi’s have $860 billion dollars invested in America.”

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=20

“In all, at least $1.46 billion…made its way from the Saudis to the House of Bush and its allied companies and institutions.” Craig Unger, House of Bush, House of Saud, p. 200.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=19

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By Bea Trayed, March 6, 2007 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment
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“This apparently is Bin Laden’s specialty…getting superpowers to self-destruct from within. Perhaps the CIA taught him this when he was on the payroll, I’m not sure? For whatever reason, he’s gone a long way toward fracturing the financial foundation of this country. The idiotic and surreal expenditures of taxpayers hard earned money is playing right into that bastard’s hands! What should have been a smart, determined and cost effective international law enforcement effort against a tiny group of fanatics, instead became a massive mechanized monster that eats money and lives…all the while not doing what it set out to do, which was, to GET BIN LADEN!!!”

Matias,
Regrettably, your assessment is completely correct—-as a TRUE PATRIOT, it saddens me to see a handful of HORRIBLE TRAITORS lead our country to its demise.

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By matias, March 6, 2007 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment
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Well, some definitely off-topic comments, but many of interest. Seems there’s a bit of the whacko’s here as well, so I won’t go on to far.

This courageous woman’s comments underlined a single reality that should be self-evident. We went to Iraq to build impenetrable super-bases, from which further “adventures” in the middle east can be launched. Greg Palast had said in an article from awhile ago, that it was about keeping the oil IN the ground, not getting it out, which I thought was pretty sagacious. I think that is part of what’s going on, but Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski’s comments on the mega-bases in Iraq brings it all into focus.

For the war lovers who might read this, try to recall one seemingly obvious fact (perhaps not so obvious?). The former Soviet Union was not brought down by Saint Ronald, it was brought down by the Afghani’s who held the soviets off long enough to collapse their financial superstructure. CIA helped, but the Afghan’s have a long history of absorbing punishment from, and then defeating, foreign invaders. Russia’s economy was in tatters anyway, from decades of the cold war competition, but Afghanistan was the straw that broke that particular camel’s back.

This apparently is Bin Laden’s specialty…getting superpowers to self-destruct from within. Perhaps the CIA taught him this when he was on the payroll, I’m not sure? For whatever reason, he’s gone a long way toward fracturing the financial foundation of this country. The idiotic and surreal expenditures of taxpayers hard earned money is playing right into that bastard’s hands! What should have been a smart, determined and cost effective international law enforcement effort against a tiny group of fanatics, instead became a massive mechanized monster that eats money and lives…all the while not doing what it set out to do, which was, to GET BIN LADEN!!! We loosed the dogs of war to chase a ghost! And how do you fail to capture a nearly 7 foot tall muslim with diabetes, with over a hundred thousand soldiers in the field, and an unknown number of special forces and CIA out looking for him?!?!? I suspect it’s because he was never intended to be caught…until it serves a political purpose of course, like Zarqawi.

But, this country is now headed for multiple trillions of dollars spent for decades to come. Our wounded soldier’s health care is going to be a large part of the expense. And those mega-bases will still be there after the last of the Gulf War II soldiers dies of old age.

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Re Comment #56882 by Jeff Badura on 3/05 at 3:40 pm

You’re right, Jeff, the left will probably never be in power absent a complete economic meltdown that is not probable for the foreseeable future.  That is a function of money.  The corporations and well-heeled have the money to invest in both media ownership (newspapers, television, radio) to frame the public discourse, as well as the the money to invest in electing and lobbying members of congress.  Advertising is a powerful tool to get people to vote against their own interests. 

Also, be careful what you wish for.  Do you have any idea the threat to our national security that a democratic Saudi Arabia would pose?  Most of the 9-11 suiciders hijackers were schooled in Saudi madrassas.  How about a democratically elected government in Pakistan?  You really want a militant Islamic government with nuclear weapons? 

The fact is, our foreign policy is not geared toward spreading freedom, but opening, securing and protecting markets for corporate interests.  Has been for a century ande a half.  Try reading “War is a Racket” by Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler.  Here’s the link: http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

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Comment #56505 by sheepdog on 3/03 at 7:42 am

“Tongue in cheek I hope on the Churchill ‘Finest Hour’ speech.  Churchill made no reference to Republican policies.”

You’re dead right, no Repubs mentioned. 

Snippet:  “If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands.  But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.  Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, ‘This was their finest hour.’ “

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=418

But um, checking “Causes of the Great Depression”...

“The Roaring Twenties were an era dominated by Republican presidents:  Warren Harding (1920-1923), Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933).  Under their conservative economic philosophy of laissez-faire (“leave it alone”), markets were allowed to operate without government interference.  Taxes and regulation were slashed dramatically, monopolies were allowed to form, and inequality of wealth and income reached record levels.  The country was on the conservative’s preferred gold standard, and the Federal Reserve was not allowed to significantly change the money supply.”

“The fact that the Great Depression began in 1929, then, on ‘the Republicans’ watch,’ is a great embarrassment to conservative economists.  Many try to blame the worsening of the Depression on Hoover, for supposedly betraying the laissez-faire ideology. ... however, almost all of Hoover’s government action occurred during his last year in office, long after the worst of the Depression had hit.  In fact, he was voted out of office for doing ‘too little too late.’  The only notable exception to his earlier idleness was the Smoot-Hawley tariff of 1930, ...”

Source: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Causes.htm#events

By the way, the reference to “Tim” I made is taken from “On January 31, 2007 - 8:19pm Tim said:” at this link:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2007/jan/31/empire_v_democracy

Tim also says, which I happen to agree with, “A huge clean up of Rooseveltian proportions awaits the next Democratic president,” also from the TpmCafe blog link above. wink

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By Big Al, March 6, 2007 at 6:12 am Link to this comment
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I need to make a small correction, concerning the publication date of the Robert Dreyfuss article to which I earlier referred:

The article appeared in the The Nation in July 2003, not 2004.

The article described how Ariel Sharon set up, in his own office, a special unit tasked with cooking up fake “intelligence” to be used to drag America into war against Iraq.

This unit was set up outside of Mossad, because even the Mossad had too much ethical pride to sign on to this garbage, which was funneled straight to the Pentagon’s “Office of Special Plans”, which fed directly it to our idiot emporor.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030707/dreyfuss

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By Robert Noval, March 6, 2007 at 12:03 am Link to this comment
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In Resp. Comment #56845


“...blaming Roosevelt’s socialist tendencies after the great depression for the cause of WW II is ridicules ??”

I do not “blame” FDR’s socialist “tendencies” for the “cause” of WWII. I liken socialism to agressive war, as they are both founded on the same flaw in the social structure; that which allows the inappropriate application of the coercive power of government.

And he did not merely have socialist “tendencies”, he implimented a complete, comprehensive makeover of the United States from the constitutional republic it was into the government-dominated Orwellian mess we experience today.

Once socialism takes hold, militaristic imperialism soon follows. The two are complimentary manifestations of authority run amok.

“the “Treaty of Versailles” in time, helped put Hitler in power…” Correct, but without Wilson’s entry of the U.S. into a war that was NONE OF OUR DAMNED BUSINESS, instead of the humiliations and deprivations imposed upon Germany by Versailles, most likely, a stable compromise would have accrued.

Instead, the prostrate and miserable Germany lay fertile ground for the likes of Hitler.

Thank you for visiting http://www.smallgov.org/  Yes, I believe in approaching issues from an initially noncommital position, gathering information from a variety of sources, then applying the most rigorous logic I can manage to arrive at conclusions. Or, as you would put it, “if so I’m sorry (I’m)lost !!”

It is not slander to point out that the “Commander’n Chimp” committed deliberate and willful acts of fraud to deceive the nation into an illegal act of agressive war. This draft-dodging, cowardly little punk came in determined to wage war against Iraq, more than one reliable journalist will attest to that.

KWIATKOWSKI’s testimony is only one small piece of the puzzle; equally damning, the testimonies of Tyler Drummheller, David Kay, Paul O’Neil. The IAEA’S assessment of the Niger forgeries, along with Joe Wilson’s findings. And of course, the documents that really let the cat out of the bag, THE DOWNING STREET MEMOS.

Far from “slander”, for which I would be Liable, my case is voluminous, comprehensive, and damningly conclusive; ALL a matter of public record.

You say: “all that does is helps the enemy ??” Why do you presume we share a common enemy?

As I pointed out to your friend, Tammy, your attitude makes all people of conscience your enemy.

“Blaming the USA for all the worlds ills is another, saying that Bush went to war for profit is another slanderous “wrong” statement !!”

I do not “blame”; rather, I assign responsiblity. The USA is to be HELD RESPONSIBLE for the nafarious acts of it’s rogue government. We are ALL morally obliged to speak out against it.

That the profits of the likes of Halliburton, Blackwater, Lockheed-martin, etc., were an important factor in the invasion of Iraq would be difficult to deny. But the fundamental drive is lust for power; the same motivation for FDR’s Social Security boondoggle.

“...and once the war has been voted on by the leaders than is time to all pitch in to win the war!!”

Moral issues by damned!! My country right or wrong!!

Once bush puts his fraud over, it’s too late. Those of us “naive” enough to invoke conscience had better “do our part” and shut up. What a crock; sanctinonious anti-moralizing. 

Our White House is currently occupied by a fascist war criminal, who has been quoted more than once complaining that his job would be easier if “this were a dictatorship”,and calls our Constitution just a “Goddam piece of paper” http://www.smallgov.org/?p=181

Lest I be accused of just “running my mouth”, so to speak, I take my message out into the street every day:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/6796#comment-33363

BTW, Jeff smallgov is a libertarian site. Feel free to add your opinion confident that we practice what we preach.

—-The Bikemessenger

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By susan28, March 5, 2007 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment
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Comment #56445 by D Johnson:

“She worked for NSA. They want Iran to be very very concerned of our potential releckness against them. Think about it. Makes negotiating in the region much easier if it appears this stuff is leaking out. Trust me it doesn’t.”

that had crossed my mind as well.. dunno about freaking out Iran, since the MM is already beating those drums, but i was asking myself, “hmmm, how would big brother benefit from this being publicised”. i mean, the things she’s saying about the Constitution being trashed and Bush being a threat to the common folk is preaching to the choir. if they really viewed her comments as damaging she’d prolly be dead from some ‘accident’ by now.. who knows maybe she’s just trying to infiltrate dissent groups.

or the old limited-hangout, “admitting” to what we already know to back us off the scent of the deeper agenda.. let’s talk about maintaining the dollar as the prime exchange currency, preventing petrodollars from becoming petroeuros, that sort of thing.. 

i’ll still listen to what she has to say but what that we’re dealing with “domesticated creatures” (HokaHey, sweetness..), especially of the governmental variety, you can’t have too much salt on hand..

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By Jeff Badura, March 5, 2007 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment
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in reply to Comment #56831 by August West on 3/05 at 11:30 am

August, i don’t want to indiscriminately “kick ass” and kill on a massive scale!! actually i want to prevent such horrors like that from happening “a ounce of prevention, instead of a pound of cure”!! and if attacked like on 9/11 i believe in a robust response, to make sure we don’t get attacked again “slap me once, shame on you, slap me twice, shame on me”

the lefties love to point out how all of the current world problems are to be blamed on the USA?? well we aren’t to blame for all like WW II but we are partially to blame for what happened to the world afterwords!! our mighty dollar makes the world go round, and its a very complex problem that cant be explained in one post!! but we do have a huge responsibility to the rest of the world, what did Uncle Owen say ??? “with great power, comes great responsibility” how profound !!

yes, i do believe we “the USA” should export freedom worldwide!! yes, i do believe we “the USA ” has a responsibility to the subjugated peoples around the world in the Middle-East, in N.Korea and in Sudan and any place else were mankind is enslaved by dictators !! they call people like me a Neocon !!! you guys call us “Nazis” but so be it !!  for instance? if I’m walking down the street and see a guy stomping the life out of another guy? i call 911, and then go over and intervene, even if i get hurt in the process!! were as many in these part believe they should look the other way and not get involved!!  its just a different “responsible” way of looking at the world !!!

if you recall in the above mentioned story or audio, Karen even mentioned us and called us well-intentioned or naive neocons or somin like that? so she was partly wrong? but at least she knows were out for the worlds best interests in our hearts?? and we are!! or atleast i am!!   

you say that we Neocons are in the minority?? but August, who is in power?? you lefties never will be!! ha ha ha ha ha!! if your upset at Bush?? just wait till McCain is your Commander and Chief ha ha ha ha you ain’t seen nuttin yet!!

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

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By www.kandancelf@yahoo.com, March 5, 2007 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment
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Quit paying taxes, how is this suficient,
why dont you quit paying your babysiiter and lets see how safe your children will be. alone and on their own, and you will be arrested for abandoning your children to engage in your own selfish pleasures or gain. were do you believe the right for freedom and protection come from. out of your head, you are so jelous that you can not face the facts that protection is not free. do you desire to live with these sand fleas were there is nothing but anarchy ,, then scram, get out of America all you snivelling children of witches get, in the name of Jesus I order your departure now.

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By Jeff Badura, March 5, 2007 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment
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in response too Comment #56762 by Robert Noval !!!

  blaming Roosevelt’s socialist tendencies after the great depression for the cause of WW II is ridicules ?? i know its fashionable to blame all the world ills on the USA in these parts? but that my friend, is just plain wrong !! the “Treaty of Versailles” in time, helped put Hitler in power, and i think he had something to do with the war in Europe ?? and i think the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, had something to do with the war in the orient ?? so what ever your deluded Anti American professor says is mute !!!  I went to your web-site http://www.smallgov.org/ ??? come on Robert ??? do you really believe that stuff ??? if so I’m sorry your lost !! 

as far as treason is concerned ? look!! i have no problem with constructive thoughtful criticism of the war or it progress?? but slandering the Commander and Chief, or the Troops or the Mission with groundless accusations and lies is “Treason” !!( (like your site) all that does is helps the enemy ?? We are not only fighting a war with bullets, we are doing it with words too !! if you read the posts here you will see the most outlandish statements made !! Calling our government Nazis is a perfect example !! Blaming the USA for all the worlds ills is another, saying that Bush went to war for profit is another slanderous “wrong” statement !!

just because those in the “nut-roots” love to believe all this Anti American propaganda does not not make it true !! and once the war has been voted on by the leaders than is time to all pitch in to win the war!! since the 60’s our country has embraced “treason” as patriotism and has slandered Patriots as Jingoistic boobs ??, and here we are called Nazis ( that’s treasonous slander)  If you root for the downfall of your own country, in war time, you are committing Treason !! like it or not ?? but then the truth always hurts !!

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

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By August West, March 5, 2007 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment
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Re Comment #56395 by Jeff Badura on 3/02 at 3:14 pm

I understand you better now.  By admitting the possible truth of what you call “propoganda” but which rational peoplecall “facts,” you have demonstrated a profound disregard for the rule of law and condone the lies that were used to justify war to the public so long as the Decider and his handlers kick ass.  I don’t think too many people share your world view that the United States should dominate the world militarily and eliminate the threat of Islamic exstremists by killing on a massive scale.  But that’s just you.

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By Robert Noval, March 4, 2007 at 10:12 pm Link to this comment
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In re.: comment #56658 by Jeff Badura:

“i think I’m in love ??? thank you Tammy for speaking truth to the ignorant !!”

So you like the “speaking truth to the ignorant”? Ok, try this on for size. You ask, (#56393) “what about WW II ???”

Richard M. Ebeling,Professor of Economics at Hillsdale College explains WWII:

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191b.asp

“With the coming of the New Deal in 1933, following the election of Franklin D. Roosevelt, America was subjected to its own brand of economic fascism, as the government imposed comprehensive controls and regulations on practically every aspect of economic life…

“The problem, however, was that most Americans did not want to be either the world’s policeman or its global social engineer.

But Roosevelt had made up his mind about what was good for America and its citizenry…The evidence of this is so strong that both pro- and anti-Roosevelt historians admit the fact that he violated constitutional restraints and broke congressionally passed neutrality acts to create conditions inevitably leading to America’s entry into the Second World War.

The only foreign policy in a free society is for the government to protect its citizens from foreign aggression in the form of threats to the territorial integrity of the nation. All other matters are personal and private affairs of the people. If some in the United States believe that the people of another country deserve assistance from oppression, then they as private citizens are free to volunteer to fight for freedom in that other nation.”

So WWII can be summed up as Iraq prequel.It’s current popularity and acceptance notwithstanding…

Or, “...if you disparage the troops the Commander and Chief or the mission in a time of war? you are by definition, committing treason…”

General Wesley Clark begs to differ: “When I went to Vietnam… there were people in the streets. They had a right to express their disagreement with the war, and millions did…people had a right to protest…and I knew in Vietnam I was fighting for that right. How dare this administration make the charge that if you disagree with it’s policies, you are somehow unpatriotic!” 

As does another Vietnam veteran, Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col.,USAF, ret., (in regards the troops in Iraq): “The truth is, they are not over there protecting our freedoms. Our freedoms are not under attack from Saddam Hussein…Our freedoms are under attack by John Ashcroft. They are threatened by John Piondexter. They are trampled by Donald Rumsfeld. They are disdained by Dick Cheney. The battle to preserve our freedoms is not taking place in Baghdad…It’s taking place in…New York City…and in Melbourne, Florida.

Mr.Badura, THE TRAITOR HERE IS YOU. It is you who advocate the unquestioning alliegance to authority, at a time when every citizen’s duty is to scrutinize all the more acutely.

The ideals you express are the most alien possible to those who wrote the sacred documents upon which this nation was founded. And can only elicit revulsion in the hearts of true lovers of freedom.

—-The Bikemessenger

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By jason, March 4, 2007 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment
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Karen Kwiatkowski is a very brave person. I wish there were more like her

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By Big Al, March 4, 2007 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment
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Opines “Geof”:

“Oh, and the anti-zionist debate here is just absurd.  We may be overly friendly/protective with regards to Israel, but to say that it was the main impetus for Iraq is just stupid.”

No, Geof. Your real problem is that we just aren’t as stupid as you wish we were.

Do you think nobody’s heard of the papers our nominally “American” neocons such as Perle and Wurmser wrote for Netanyahu, like the 1996 “Clean Break” paper, followed by the “Coping with Crumbling States” paper?

Do you think that none of us knows how Netanyahu demured on the plan, deciding that this grand series of wars to destroy all of Israel’s regional rivals (murdering millions in the process) was too much for Israel to tackle, however laudable the basic idea?

And do you think that nobody knows how these same disloyal Americans then dressed the scheme up in new, red-white-and-blue garb as the “Project for a New American Century,” and sold it to psychotic Dick Cheney in 1997? 

Do you think we haven’t read Robert Dreyfuss’s July 2004 article in The Nation describing how Feith’s Office of Special Plans had a precise counterpart in the Office of Ariel Sharon, both working to cook up the lies that led America to war against Iraq, initiating the Project?

Here’s the Dreyfuss article:

“According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. This unit ... prepared intelligence reports on Iraq in English (not Hebrew) and forwarded them to the Office of Special Plans. It was created in Sharon’s office, not inside Israel’s Mossad intelligence service, because the Mossad—which prides itself on extreme professionalism—had views closer to the CIA’s, not the Pentagon’s, on Iraq. This secretive unit, and not the Mossad, may well have been the source of the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium for weapons from Niger in West Africa, according to the former official.”

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030707/dreyfuss

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By Moe Hare, March 4, 2007 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment
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“If not, then it is time to militarily eliminate that regime before they become too powerful with nuclear weapons.”

Jeff Loves Tammy; well, what do these two loved birds propose—-a nuclear attack on:  Iran; Syria; Lebanon; North Korea and why stop there, there are probably lots of other countries that we can nuke; oh, the hell with it, let’s just kill the whole f_ _ kin world.

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By Ray, March 4, 2007 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment
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Great interview!  It’s truly sad that this type of interview never has the opportunity to see the light of day in the mainstream.  To stay on top of things and to get the ‘real’ story you have to stay connected.  I hope and pray that she is wrong as I know she hopes so too, but too many indicators point to the next step in the neo-con conquest being fulfilled, we are truly a nation in peril…and we as Americans often wonder why 65 yrs ago a civilized society could embrace a leader and henchmen to do their bidding so willingly?  Well, take a good look…it’s happening right before our eyes.

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By Karen, March 4, 2007 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment
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Congress needs to be reminded that We The People want an end to war, not more wars.

On Saturday, March 17 there will be marches and rallies around the country.  Go to http://www.unitedforpeace.org to find one in your area.

If you are near Walnut Creek, California, come to the Walnut Creek BART station at 11:00 AM and march with us!  http://www.StarveWarFeedPeace.org

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By Jeff Badura, March 4, 2007 at 10:16 am Link to this comment
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some knee o’kaun rebuttals for you guys !!

Comment #56326 by chris says- I hope that the American people will wake up and realize that every war they have fought in the last century is just part of a grand plan that involves the destruction of America.”
knee o’kaun says-  what about WW II ???  yes Chris wars are bad news !!! but so is true tyranny !! not the invented tyranny you guys complain of, but real tyranny that some in the world are faced to endure in N. Korea and Saddam’s Iraq and yes in Iran !! wars are bad but coddling dictators for a false peace is worse !!! let the bombs fall and the heads roll until all people are free to complain and debate about government like you and me do here today !!!

Comment #56311 by Eleanore Kjellberg says- ““Terrorism to the extent that it is a crime, should’ve been treated like a crime, but instead we made it a war.”
knee o’kaun says ” terrorism is a tactic of warfare, it is not a crime, it is war !! we have been attacked repeatedly in the last 30 yrs and the Islamic fascist even openly declared war upon the US!!  the president has the duty to protect the country from those that wish to do us harm regardless of how unpleasant it is for you to stomach !!!  Clinton tried to treat the war tactic of terror used by Islamic fascists as a criminal act and you see were that lib fecklessness got us ??? it gave us 9/11 !!!

Comment #56281 by Tammy says “Just look at Hitler and other infamous men of the past who murdered millions of people. It was the same type of pacifist liberal mentality that allowed them to carry out their plans of world domination. President Bush did the Iraqi people and the world a favor getting rid of Sadaam Hussein and his regime. Now he has Iran crapping in their pants and maybe they will come to their senses through peaceful means. If not, then it is time to militarily eliminate that regime before they become too powerful with nuclear weapons.”
knee o’kaun says- i think I’m in love ??? thank you Tammy for speaking truth to the ignorant !!

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By Kwagmyre, March 4, 2007 at 10:15 am Link to this comment
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Post #56589 by Geoff:

“We may be overly friendly/protective with regards to Israel, but to say that it was the main impetus for Iraq is just stupid.”

That is quite correct, yet Israel counts on us to a great degree for protection whether this be the $3+ billion dollar annual assistance or leading the fight to keep Iran at bay.  In fact if it knew for certain that we wouldn’t be too thrilled with their own invasion of Iran, they’d go right away and do that.

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By Love, March 4, 2007 at 1:25 am Link to this comment
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At least if we made peace among the world religions it would take away the religious excuse these war mongers now have to rape and pillage.
The World Peace Religion
http://www.thetempleoflove.com

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By Geoff, March 3, 2007 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment
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The only thing worse than this woman’s ineptitude with the english language is her ridiculous and uninformed claims.  I am a liberal, but this is just another example of the absurd leftist claims that conservatives can latch onto as proof of liberals’ aloofness and stupidity.

I cannot believe you guys can read this and not want to bang your head against the wall.  Most of you are worse sheep than you claim most Americans are.

None of you seem to understand the nature of neo-conservatism, which is part of the problem with your understanding of this administration.  Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc.  are all neo-cons.  Bush is not.  Read Richard Clarke’s book if you really want to get what is going on insided the administration. 

Oh, and the anti-zionist debate here is just absurd.  We may be overly friendly/protective with regards to Israel, but to say that it was the main impetus for Iraq is just stupid.

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By Uncle Sam, March 3, 2007 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
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Hipple:

Your IP address will be referred to the IRS for proper action. It is hoped that you have sufficient funds for back taxes and penalties.
What a jerk you are !

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By j. dilligaf, March 3, 2007 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment
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Just so you know, G.W. WON both elections, you dick. WAH WAH WAH go buy some carbon off sets. I have to get into my gas guzzler so I can chop down some more trees.
              Thank you very much

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By Ray, March 3, 2007 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment
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This really comes as no surprise, all you really have to do is pay attention to the troop deployments and some of the “catch-phrases” In Bush’s last public addresses to know they want to go in the direction of Iran it’s just a question of time.

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By Jazzmon1951, March 3, 2007 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment
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I recently talked with an individual that feels the current administration purposely ignored the warning signs leading up to 9-11. I agree. The purpose for this was to allow something to happen inside the US so that “war” could be declared. There’s no one more powerful than a president at war; that person can basically do whatever they want. The middle east is not only a major source of oil but also a controversal part of the world when it comes to religion. The religious right in this country believes that “Christianity” is the chosen belief, that it is the end all and be all of “Good”. I believe that their influence on politicts and president Bush’s born again outlook has allowed an unbalanced influence to take control of our political system. Essentially, the US is going to protect the holy land for the second coming of “Christ”. What if they are wrong, what if there is no second coming, what if only making our life here on earth one of goodness is all that there is, what if all this leads to the destruction of mankind, period! Not a comforting thought.

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By Big Al, March 3, 2007 at 10:05 am Link to this comment
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Regarding Comment #56451 by Miraa:

Miraa is all apanic. She sees that she and her Israel-centric friends are losing their power to smear people and shut them up, guaranteeing that Americans will continue meekly giving Israel whatever it demands, including fighting wars that Israel wants.

Look, Miraa - you people really blew what was left of your cover when you started screaming that Jimmy Carter is an “anti-Semite”. That kind of thing makes even your most docile American dupes start to wonder what ELSE the Israel lobby is full of shit about—like Iran, for instance.

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By sheepdog, March 3, 2007 at 8:42 am Link to this comment
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RE: #56455, shepherd

Tongue in cheek I hope on the Churchill “Finest Hour” speech.  Churchill made no reference to Republican policies.

Two links follow, one from BBC, and one from the Churchill archives hosted at Library of Congress.

Transcript and a link to the original broadcast
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schoolradio/history/worldwar2audioclipslibrary_clip08.shtml

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/churchill/audio/churchill104_2.mp3


In the battle to get our country back, I only have time to swallow disinformation from the administration.

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By Llad12, March 3, 2007 at 4:10 am Link to this comment
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Isn’t about time our government stopped it’s crusades under the guise of Wilsonian idealism? America’s blatant aggressive militarism runs counter to our founder’s beliefs and threatens, not only to other nations, but our republic itself.

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By Robert Noval, March 3, 2007 at 1:25 am Link to this comment
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In Response to #56281 Tammy:

“She is just another one of those employees of the military that has no understanding of the need to get rid of brutal dictators and their regimes.”

Really? And where does your “understanding” come from? Would you care to explain how if we needed to “get rid” of brutal dictators, we helped maintain Saddam in power and assisted him in his war against Iran?

“Just look at Hitler and other infamous men of the past who murdered millions of people.”

How about taking a look at the U.S. installed “brutal dictators”, such as the Shah of Iran, or Pinochet in Chile? The world is full of dictators allied with or receiving aid from Washington

“President Bush did the Iraqi people and the world a favor getting rid of Sadaam Hussein…”

Over 600,000 deaths in Iraq over and above what is projected had the U.S. not invaded. Recent polls show the majority of Iraqis believe they were better off under Saddam. Iraq leads the world in refugees and internally displaced.

It’s hard to tell which exceeds which; your arrogance or your ignorance.

“Now he has Iran crapping in their pants and maybe they will come to their senses through peaceful means.”

I don’t know where you’re looking that you see anyone “crapping in their pants”(perhaps your own lavatory). All I see, even in the MSM coming out of Iran is a defiance akin to that which made this country’s revolutionary war a success. 

“If not, then it is time to militarily eliminate that regime before they become too powerful with nuclear weapons.”

It’s time you and the criminal regime in Washington got put in your place. It’s time real patriots to stand up to the likes of you and say enough meddling in the affairs of other countries. Who the hell are you to tell other societies what “regimes” they may allow themselves to be governed by?

Your reaction to the Palestinian elections exposes your hypocritical “spreading democracy” crap.

“Screw Scheer and her for their cowardly behavior and uninformed views of what needs to be done to get rid of evil in this world.”

You despicable war mongers are the real cowards. You think your enemies are the innocent people you send the U.S. military to assault in far away lands. But the kind of evil you promote makes an enemy for you of anyone with a conscience.


“Iran is the main source of terrorism in this world. It is also looking to develope nuclear weapons which would be very dangerous with a radical Islamic regime in power. Their regime needs to be stopped. If it takes military action, so let it be.”

Terrorism is the weapon of war of those who cannot afford tanks and helicopters. You are not threatened, except by those against whom you initiated conflict; none of that threat eminates from Iran, but apparently, you’re determined to change that. And what evidence do you have that Iran is “looking to develope nuclear weapons”? That that brainless little draft-dodger in the White House says so?

Madam, you are a pathetic and dispicable embarrassment. There is an objective truth, not subject of human election. If you have any humanity left, use it to seek that truth.

—-The Bikemessenger

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By shepherd, March 2, 2007 at 11:37 pm Link to this comment
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Here’s a bit more, which also includes a small video clip:

“Kwiatkowski told Four Corners of Hardcastle’s treatment when he refused to talk up the Iraq threat to foreign officials.”

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2003/20031027_spinning_the_tubes/extra.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2003/20031027_spinning_the_tubes/realvideo/4corners_56k.rm

Seems we have a bunch of con artists and mass murderers in the White House at present, led by an arrogant swaggering ‘cowboy’ asshole in every sense of the word.  So the sooner Al Gore and the Democrats get elected, the better the chance for peace and prosperity for all worldwide.

So don’t be assholes yourselves, and be sure to vote “Democrats” in ‘08, otherwise the mass slaughter of innocent civilians worldwide and the destruction of their cities and towns continues unabated under the criminal Repugs.  Keep in mind what Churchill said in his “Finest Hour” speech, something along the lines of “Republican policies in the 1920s nearly lead directly to a new dark age in the 1940s.” (Thanks Tim, courtesy of TPMCAFE.)  So vote wisely folks; then you won’t have to moan and groan so vociferously on here.

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By nate, March 2, 2007 at 10:27 pm Link to this comment
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I love all these people yelling for americans to “wake up” and realize what are president is doing.  Of course we see what our president is doing, the mans a lunatic that managed to rig 2 elections and conduct an illegal war while avoiding impeachment. 
He has gathered enough power and influence to act   without the approval of congress or the american people.  He’s like a god damn super villan.  The only answer I see at this point is removing him from power.  Even with Bush gone though that leaves Cheney in charge which will probably leave everyone worse off than before.  Even with the upcoming election, the die has already been rolled, we can’t undo whats been done and a larger war is waiting to engulf the world.

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By discog, March 2, 2007 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment
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Karen Kwiatkowski has a lot of studying to do before she’d get a passing grade at 911 University:

http://911u.org/CoDR/

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By Miraa, March 2, 2007 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment
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This blog obviously is attractive to a bunch of America-hating, anti-semitic (see all the anti-Jew and Israel talk here) trolls. 

The audience snapshot is enough to discount any content that might be published here.

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By D Johnson, March 2, 2007 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment
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She worked for NSA. They want Iran to be very very concerned of our potential releckness against them. Think about it. Makes negotiating in the region much easier if it appears this stuff is leaking out. Trust me it doesn’t.

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By J, March 2, 2007 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment
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TYPO ON PAGE 3. James Harris said “let’s say somebody takes office in ‘08”  (not “await”)

JAMES HARRIS:  We’re there to stay in the sense that even, let’s say somebody takes office in await, do you think that we’re gonna be occupying those bases still?

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By syd nohcud, March 2, 2007 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment
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Its the elders of zion all over again.
Nothing original.
One little group is blamed for all.
Amazing level of blind hatred when you consider that all of the basis of most western civilization comes from one little group of nomads.
How could one little group cause so much trouble ?
There was trouble with the spread of Islam long before this. We got rid of the cold war and the Muslim threat is back.
The left wing agenda ” no legititimate…..” lacks any depth.
What right do most people have in America, Their acestors displaced the indians , who themselves are relatively new.
It is amazing that these people can follow Christian teachings and not wonder if the jews have no rights in the area what was Jesus doing at the temple.
There was trouble long before the 67 war and the occupation. It is not about the occupation. Once moslem land it can never go back.
What has the moslem/ arab wolrd done in 500 or more years.
Most of what you take for granted was in most cases invented by Jews.
Why don’t you get mad at the Arabs who are gouging you on oil and yet hate you.
It is not the Jews who are taking all your money for oil.

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By michael k, March 2, 2007 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment
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And?
When will the American people realise they live in a 21st. century fascist state?Remember,Hitler had ALL his policies enacted LEGALLY.Wolfowitz has propelled America down the same path.Bush is a stooge.and will do as he’s told via his earpiece!God,if there is one,help us all…..

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By edgar galt, March 2, 2007 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment
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Loved the interview- have a question. Has anyone ever discussed the ramifications of Saddham coming out and saying he was really just faking and he had no WMD’s?

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By Kwagmyre, March 2, 2007 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment
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#56326 by Chris:

“so called “neo-conservatives” who are just trotskyist jews in disguise. Bill Kristol, David Frum, Douglas Feith, Elliot Abrams and others are members of the Project for the New American Century”

Actually, Feith isn’t Jewish AFAIK but you left out two of the REAL biggies(Wolfowitz and Perle)both having been dyed-in-the-wool Zionists from early on.

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By Ed Davis, March 2, 2007 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment
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Ms.Kwiatkowski’s very informed and educated insights about our seemingly inevetible military actions against Iran are really scary,to say the least,and her assessment of the evil trio of Perle,Wolfowitz and Feith are on the money,in my opinion.Is it true that all three of these men hold dual citizenships,pledging allegiance to both the U.S.and Israel?
  It was also gratifying that Ms.Kwiatkowski noted that Rep.Ron Paul of Texas is just about our only hope of restoring our Constitutional Republic.Ron Paul would surely bring ALL of our troops home,he would also stop NAFTA,CAFTA,GATT,theFTAA and the especially treasonousSPP negotiations.He would also enforce the perfectly good immigration laws that are already on the books,but ignored.He would put a stop to this unconstitutional “National Drivers License"garbage.And he may very well be our last hope.

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By Terry Sloth, March 2, 2007 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment
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Fantasy is so much easier to accept than reality and that is why Americans prefer to bury their brains in reality TV; rather than becoming cognizant of the real dangers that surround them: 

“The stories in the major media suggest that an attack against Iran is a real possibility and that the Natanz nuclear development site is the number one target. As the above quotes from two of our best sources note, military experts say that conventional “bunker-busters” such as the GBU-28 might be able to destroy the Natanz facility, especially with repeated bombings. On the other hand, they also say such iterated use of conventional weapons might not work, e.g., if the rock and earth above the facility becomes liquefied. On that supposition, a “low yield” “tactical” nuclear weapon, say, the B61-11, might be needed.

If the Bush administration, for example, were to insist on a sure “success,” then the “attack” would constitute nuclear war. The words in boldface are nuclear war, that’s right, nuclear war - a first strike nuclear war.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17220.htm

p.s. See the DVD “Why We Fight.”

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By Jeff Badura, March 2, 2007 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment
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in regards to the Comment #56203 by August West??
knee o’kaun says Ive heard all that propaganda before and some of it might have some truth to it !!! the bases in Saudi Arabia (and know Iraq too) will end up bringing freedom to the people of Iraq (and Iran, Syria too and eventually Saudi Arabia too) it will take time guy maybe decades but it will come !!! don’t get fixated about names of countries and borders that were laid down after WW I by the Europeans !!! the whole region is a festering pile of religious hate and need to be freed and that’s what were doing !!! Saudis being the actors in the 9/11 attack was a tactical plan by Bin Laden to hopefully have us blame the Saudis?  if the guys last summer would have succeeded and blew up all those plane’s up over the Atlantic they would have been from England !! so should we attack England ??? no !! this war is not against a country !! its against a movement its against “Islamic Extremism” and its world wide !!! and Iran is next !!!!

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

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By Jeff Badura, March 2, 2007 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment
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some knee o’kaun rebuttals for you guys !!

Comment #56326 by chris says- I hope that the American people will wake up and realize that every war they have fought in the last century is just part of a grand plan that involves the destruction of America.”
knee o’kaun says-  what about WW II ???  yes Chris wars are bad news !!! but so is true tyranny !! not the invented tyranny you guys complain of, but real tyranny that some in the world are faced to endure in N. Korea and Saddam’s Iraq and yes in Iran !! wars are bad but coddling dictators for a false peace is worse !!! let the bombs fall and the heads roll until all people are free to complain and debate about government like you and me do here today !!!

Comment #56311 by Eleanore Kjellberg says- ““Terrorism to the extent that it is a crime, should’ve been treated like a crime, but instead we made it a war.”
knee o’kaun says ” terrorism is a tactic of warfare, it is not a crime, it is war !! we have been attacked repeatedly in the last 30 yrs and the Islamic fascist even openly declared war upon the US!!  the president has the duty to protect the country from those that wish to do us harm regardless of how unpleasant it is for you to stomach !!!  Clinton tried to treat the war tactic of terror used by Islamic fascists as a criminal act and you see were that lib fecklessness got us ??? it gave us 9/11 !!!

Comment #56281 by Tammy says “Just look at Hitler and other infamous men of the past who murdered millions of people. It was the same type of pacifist liberal mentality that allowed them to carry out their plans of world domination. President Bush did the Iraqi people and the world a favor getting rid of Sadaam Hussein and his regime. Now he has Iran crapping in their pants and maybe they will come to their senses through peaceful means. If not, then it is time to militarily eliminate that regime before they become too powerful with nuclear weapons.”
knee o’kaun says- i think I’m in love ??? thank you Tammy for speaking truth to the ignorant !!

Comment #56272 by Michael Hipple says “I have stopped paying taxes and I will not pay taxes until I see some leadership that respects the US constitution. Bush and crew are fascists. We are no different right now than those folks in Germany as Hitler took control of their lives.”
knee o’kaun says- only a !!historically challenged buffoon would compare Bush to Hitler   it simply shows he is clueless about both men !!  and please, you have to make money before you can be taxed ??? if you do make it and you are not paying you taxes i say “right on brother” ha ha ha ha ha for Uncle Sam will come a knocking ha ha ha ha ha ha you wont go to jail unless you lied on your tax forms but if you just didn’t file? they will get you in 5 or 6 yrs and you will never be able to be on a payroll long term, have a bank account, or own property, until you start to pay back the “man” in triplicate cause you will also be paying back interest and fines too ha ha ha ha ha good luck buddy !!!

Comment #56252 by republicanSScareme says- “I will continue to call Republicans Nazis until they stop calling Democrats traitors.”
knee o’kaun says- another historically challenged buffoon would compare Bush to Hitler, look!! if Bush was a “Hitler type” you my friend would not be allowed to call him such?  just the fact that a web site like this exists, proves he is no Hitler !!!  and treason is the act of aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war !!! so if you disparage the troops the Commander and Chief or the mission in a time of war? you are by definition, committing treason !! once the bullet’s are flying and men are dying for your freedom to write your stupidity, then you should any up and kick in, and support the mission !!! its your birth right as a free American not to?  but that doesn’t change what you are: an imbecilic traitor !!!

illgramaticus knee o’kaun

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By david, March 2, 2007 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment
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to my understanding, a day will come when the human race will no more excist. A day when the universe will be a peacefull place without the human race.
The human race is been traped to dome itself for ever.
Everyone WAKE UP and the smell the coffee, If not , it will be too late.
I really Hope we as human race dome ourselfs, lets end this misery

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By nobodysacred, March 2, 2007 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment
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I don’t understand why America is aggressing, occupying, stealing, torturing, and endlessly oppressing people who oppose barbaric occupation of the illegitimate state of israel??

Why american taxpayers are supporting the “only democracy in the Middle East” with at least $5 billion a year? Why they don’t revolt against their government and free it from zionist occupation?

As long as US is infiltrated by zionism there is no peace. We need a FREE US from zionism occupatin in order to have PEACE and JUSTICE in Palestine and the rest will follow (Iraq, Afghanistan, ......and all oppressed people will gain their rights)!

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By Winston Smith, March 2, 2007 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment
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I am ready to throw all the bums out myself, if we are still around in ‘08 and not wiped out due to our own arrogance.

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By Chris Campbell, March 2, 2007 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment
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Anyone ready for achange yet. 2008 could be a pivotal year-perhaps the last year that we have to change things civily.

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By Robert Noval, March 2, 2007 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment
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Great interview.

Don’t agree with all the projections; but I certainly share all the concerns.

Hope you don’t mind making room in your fox hole for this one atheist.

—-The Bikemessenger

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By joneden, March 2, 2007 at 11:48 am Link to this comment
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So we are fighting the Islamo fascist.

The just canceled bunker buster bomb test scheduled to be held at The Nevada Test Site was named “Divine Strake”.

Are we Christo fascist?

jon
Connecting the Dots: From human behaviors to Ecosystem Collapse
http://StudentsForTheEarth.org

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By chris, March 2, 2007 at 11:31 am Link to this comment
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Has anyone thought that a war against Iran is really just for Israel? This war in Iraq was planned and implemented by the so called “neo-conservatives” who are just trotskyist jews in disguise. Bill Kristol, David Frum, Douglas Feith, Elliot Abrams and others are members of the Project for the New American Century, an extremist think tank that has continuously pushed for wars against middle eastern countries that stand in the way of Israel’s hegemony over the entire oil rich arab nations. The coming war against Iran is just another step towards people in democratic countries completely losing their freedoms and pushing the world towards global government. The propaganda and lies against Russia are also part of this media campaign and is rather concerning to people like myself. We here in the west are conditioned to believe that President Putin is an “evil tyrant” who obviously poisoned Alexander Litvenko. Its all a bunch of rubbish and lies. I hate war and killing and I hope that the American people will wake up and realize that every war they have fought in the last century is just part of a grand plan that involves the destruction of America.

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By Dale Headley, March 2, 2007 at 11:28 am Link to this comment
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Isn’t it about time for Americans to wake up and realize the truth about the Bush War?  It was NEVER about anything but power and greed.  The Bush Administration NEVER intended, and still does not intend -EVER - to leave Iraq. No matter what else happens, the Bush Administration aims to rape Iraq of every natural resource, even if it has to burn it to the gound (everything except the oil wells), kill every Iraqi, and start from scratch.  Then comes Iran.

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By gary woodburn, March 2, 2007 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
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It is a shame that we have a “C” student in the white house, who knows little about foreign nations, and who is surrounded by “yes” men.  Yet our president believes he is the one who makes the decision to go to war with Iran. I think we need to return to militias who report to state governments.  States would not send their militias to a foreign war without state officials doing their homework.

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