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Posted on Nov 15, 2011
AP / Seth Wenig

Occupy Wall Street protesters rally in a small park on Canal Street in New York on Tuesday.

By Chris Hedges

(Page 2)

I have seen my share of revolts, insurgencies and revolutions, from the guerrilla conflicts in the 1980s in Central America to the civil wars in Algeria, the Sudan and Yemen, to the Palestinian uprising to the revolutions in East Germany, Czechoslovakia and Romania as well as the wars in the former Yugoslavia. George Orwell wrote that all tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but that once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force. We have now entered the era of naked force. The vast million-person bureaucracy of the internal security and surveillance state will not be used to stop terrorism but to try and stop us.

Despotic regimes in the end collapse internally. Once the foot soldiers who are ordered to carry out acts of repression, such as the clearing of parks or arresting or even shooting demonstrators, no longer obey orders, the old regime swiftly crumbles. When the aging East German dictator Erich Honecker was unable to get paratroopers to fire on protesting crowds in Leipzig, the regime was finished. The same refusal to employ violence doomed the communist governments in Prague and Bucharest. I watched in December 1989 as the army general that the dictator Nicolae Ceausescu had depended on to crush protests condemned him to death on Christmas Day. Tunisia’s Ben Ali and Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak lost power once they could no longer count on the security forces to fire into crowds.

The process of defection among the ruling class and security forces is slow and often imperceptible. These defections are advanced through a rigid adherence to nonviolence, a refusal to respond to police provocation and a verbal respect for the blue-uniformed police, no matter how awful they can be while wading into a crowd and using batons as battering rams against human bodies. The resignations of Oakland Mayor Jean Quan’s deputy, Sharon Cornu, and the mayor’s legal adviser and longtime friend, Dan Siegel, in protest over the clearing of the Oakland encampment are some of the first cracks in the edifice. “Support Occupy Oakland, not the 1% and its government facilitators,” Siegel tweeted after his resignation. 

There were times when I entered the ring as a boxer and knew, as did the spectators, that I was woefully mismatched. Ringers, experienced boxers in need of a tuneup or a little practice, would go to the clubs where semi-pros fought, lie about their long professional fight records, and toy with us. Those fights became about something other than winning. They became about dignity and self-respect. You fought to say something about who you were as a human being. These bouts were punishing, physically brutal and demoralizing. You would get knocked down and stagger back up. You would reel backward from a blow that felt like a cement block. You would taste the saltiness of your blood on your lips. Your vision would blur. Your ribs, the back of your neck and your abdomen would ache. Your legs would feel like lead. But the longer you held on, the more the crowd in the club turned in your favor. No one, even you, thought you could win. But then, every once in a while, the ringer would get overconfident. He would get careless. He would become a victim of his own hubris. And you would find deep within yourself some new burst of energy, some untapped strength and, with the fury of the dispossessed, bring him down. I have not put on a pair of boxing gloves for 30 years. But I felt this twinge of euphoria again in my stomach this morning, this utter certainty that the impossible is possible, this realization that the mighty will fall. 

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By Sodium-Na, November 21, 2011 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

Re:elisallouisa,November 21 at 6:30 am.

elisa,

I refrain from interfering between you and my friend of the olden time,Ozark. That is up to you and him to somehow overcome your disagreement,or at least reach a degree of accomodation. That means I am interested in other comments you have made in your response to Ozark,in the above Re of yours. Those comments that have spurred me to write this post are the following

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~ There is power in the Federal Reserve and power is what Wall Street is all about.

~ The oligarch is in control,not the people.

~ Power and control is their game.

~ Global denomination is their goal.

~ How long has it been since we had a President who really cared about the people?

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elisa-I whole heartedly agree with every comment of yours I have deliberately made a point in quoting above for emphasis,because you have really summed up the current unhealthy econimical,financial and political environment in five simple and short English sentences. However,please allow me to expand a little further on the global denomination and the Presidents who really cared about the American people:

* Global denomination is impossible to achieve,if there is not a tacit or rather unwritten agreement amongst the ruling classes of the globe. The international Bankisters are the ruling class of every human social order in existence, worldwide,today. That is why when Wall Street farts,its stinking oder is felt in Europe,Japan and practically in the rest of the globe.

* As to the American Presidents whose records show genuine care for the poor and underdogs of America since the Great Depression till present time,the following names come to mind:

# FDR.

# Eisenhower.

# JFK.

# Carter,(Yes,Carter,for following a “Soft Foreign Policy” in order to achieve peace for the American people and the people of the world). He has partially succeeded: the peace agreement between Egypt and Israel,which lasted for more than 30 years and still counting.

Take good care of your health,elisa. Believe me,nothing else really matters,not even what Chris Hedges,(whose writings I admire and will not miss reading),writes.

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By heterochromatic, November 21, 2011 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

I’m sure that you’re a swell guy, Grady Lee but that doesn’t change the fact that
you’re asserting something as true about 300,000,000 + Americans based on your

visits to 7 camps and private interviews with some adults you’ve met.

it won’t do, but if you would care to continue, please start by other some definition
of “legitimate” in the context of ...“Occupy is
viewed by most citizens as being more legitimate than
Congress.”

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By GradyLeeHoward, November 21, 2011 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

And no one writing here is obliged to respect me,
although I am a disabled 55 year old African
American dwarf (3’6”) you may recognize from
hundreds of voiceovers, commercials, sit-coms and
films since 1961. And even though I have worked as
an analyst for both Goldman Sachs and Morgan
Stanley and as a Senate aide for 18 years. And even
though I have earned a PhD in Europe.
If you do respect me, do so because I will not live
more than 18 months more and am trying to be an
honest man and a patriot to the American People. I
call ‘em like I see ‘em (and will always be a
Progressive Republican at heart, about like Kevin
Phillips).

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By GradyLeeHoward, November 21, 2011 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

Real on the ground observations embarrass
theoretical phenomenology every time. (So you are
not familiar with the work of John Gaventa.) I am
the writer who stated repeatedly on Bill Moyers
Talkback blog in 2007-8.
“Austerity is just around the corner.”
I make my living in commodities trading (and use
most of it to outfit and train film makers). Now I
have liquidated everything and put a reserve in an
offshore account. I am eager and ready to kiss
excesses of income and private property goodbye.
But the military coup has a 50% chance. Even my
friend economist Ravi Batra agrees.

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By heterochromatic, November 21, 2011 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

all due respect Grady, but your tale of visits to 7 sites has neither statistical
significance nor objective evidentiary basis in support of the proposition that the
American people prefer Occupy to Congress.


are you familiar with the work of Harry Frankfurt ?


http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/articleB5BD6D4417AF444DBD8F9770AA729
B26.asp

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By GradyLeeHoward, November 21, 2011 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

Nope, it’s real. I have visited 7 sites now and the
message is coherent and workable, which is more than
I can say for the graft mill where I used to work
(the US Senate). Most adults I interview in private
agree with me. The only ones who strongly disagree
are the P-tardy Brownshirts who expect to seize
property their new Reich. The era of US Empire is
over and the numbered days of US capitalism are now
in the 4 digits, maybe 3.

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By heterochromatic, November 21, 2011 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

GLH——-
            “Occupy is
viewed by most citizens as being more legitimate than
Congress.” 

there is no such view nor any solid evidence for it…...it’s exactly as stupid as it
sounds.

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By GradyLeeHoward, November 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Not as dumb as it sounds, heterochromo. Occupy is
viewed by most citizens as being more legitimate than
Congress. All that would be lacking is their holding
a Constitutional Convention and initiating
ratification. That’s as official as the government we
have. But we may be on the cusp of Emperor Petraeus
leading a military coup. That’s what was sponsored in
Egypt and what the Oligarchy attempted against FDR.We
already have the prerequisite of trumped up debt. A
Peronist could step into the vacuum.

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By heterochromatic, November 21, 2011 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

——Occupy speaks for more people then congress, which has only a 9 percent
approval rating,—-

this sort of silly assertion is just uncalled for….there is no real-world way that
nonsense such as that has any factual validity.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 21, 2011 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

I’d recommend you take your own advice but you support the power structure an the 1% who owns it. And for the OWS well they are against that and find they have no other avenue open to them but protests. Even though they are quiet or at least not hurting anyone they are set upon by aggressive police who spray them, beat them, drag them by the hair kind of storm trooper actions very familiar to those who study and/or experience it. So far you Ozark Michael support the status quo on the top 1% owning us negating the idea of a democracy or a republic. It becomes an oligarchy if not out right plutocracy. So we should keep our place then? Keep quiet and vote in rigged elections should we? Stay in that box we have been put in, really? But don’t you get it? The multitude of the OWS is thinking and acting out side of that box. Just you are the one still in that box. Time to get out of it yourself.

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By OzarkMichael, November 21, 2011 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

So don’t bother trying to defend your intentions or convince us of your wisdom or creativity after the fact, when we are clearly unconvinced.

First, in future you will take your own advice? if people disagree with you, we can all look forward to you falling silent? No? I suspect that your advice is only meant for folks speaking the inconvenient truth to you.

Second, your imperious “we are not convinced” is not enough to make me stop trying. i notice that no-one even tries to answer my argument.

I invite you to think outside your little box. If you arent up to the challenge, thats ok.

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By moonraven, November 21, 2011 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

Just a thought in passing for you guys:  One of the first things I have always taught in writing classes is to LET GO of what you have written.

It doesn’t matter one whit what YOU intended—interpreting something based on the author’s perceived intent is called, logically enough, The Intentional Fallacy.

What you write, once it’s out there, is in business for itself.  It convinces, or it flops on its own merits.

So don’t bother trying to defend your intentions or convince us of your wisdom or creativity after the fact, when we are clearly unconvinced.

Write better!  Practice lucidity!  I have been writing since 1947, have been publishing and being paid for it since 1965, teaching it since 1968, and I still can flop a stinking flounder out there that sinks to the bottom.

So what makes you think you’re perfect?!

Give me a break.

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By Leefeller, November 21, 2011 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

Occupy speaks for more people then congress, which has only a 9 percent approval rating, last I checked the Tea Party had only 27 percent approval rating, so they get to highjack the nation? Looking at the state of our militarized police state and the reactions from the Lobbyists and Fox News and the corporatist lackeys mostly right leaning authoritarians, Occupy has got their attention.  The dirty tactics used so far by the established intrenched so called leaders may be nothing to what may be coming? What a little pepper spray?  An attitude so disenfranchising I find it disgusting.  It seems safe to say Occupy has changed the conversation to Disenfranchisement and inequality something the 1 percent would like not brought out from the dark dank corners of their game, so now this is the conversation, the apparent unfairness of our broken system.  A Representation which like a whore gives itself to the highest bidder, a system were the rule of law is stacked for the few, a rigged game which says money is speech and corporations are people.

This is a the unfairness of the 1 percent, people only need look and listen to the Republican candidates telling the people what they want self delued great leaders in their own minds like Newt Gingrich, who keeps telling us what we the American people want, one of the most polarizing persons in the history of Congress is running for president, a card carrying opportunist of the highest order.  I ask which people want what Newts?  What is Newt peddling his tripe for? The ....Corporations, the 1 percent maybe, then why in hell are the real people on the streets getting beat and pepper sprayed,... It is so obvious only nitwits and cronies cannot see the handwriting on the wall but as is normal the obvious as they line up to the trough is ignored.

No! A fair and just government does not diss the minority, or the majority, but dictators do, Fascists do, and apparently what we have is a government, a so called representative government does too.  We have been seeing in the Red States a disenfranchisement so obviously orchestrated from some of the 1 percent, these Red States the Grand Inquisitor would look like the sane person in the room.

What the hell is the Recall Walkerloor all about? The Ohio overturning of a corporatist bought and paid for law, the Mississippi vote should be a wake up call, not all people or on the streets, but they are catching on!  It appears the self deluded right will shove stuff through a long list of their own pet peeves and they keep at it, no dissuading the demented.  Is there a just and fair government (maybe an oxymoron) I believe does not disfranchise its majority of real people for a few and their abstract friends money and corporations, in the name of their all mighty god profit, this seems to be most of the 1 percent.

Yes…‘Occupy is as American as Apple pie’.

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By elisalouisa, November 21, 2011 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

Your basic indoctrination has so poisoned your being Michael that you do not see and perhaps can never see things as they are. Open your mind, let reality sink in. OWS is not by a government building, OWS is in front of Wall Street. That in itself tells you something. There is power in the Federal Reserve and power is what Wall Street is about. Can you understand that Wall Street and government are one Michael??? Obviously not. The oligarch is in control, not the people. Power and control is their game. Global domination is their goal. Two puppet candidates are your choice. How long has it been since we had a President who really cared  about the people???

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By OzarkMichael, November 21, 2011 at 6:25 am Link to this comment

I would like a comparison. It doesnt matter who you are, or how you look at Occupy.

Compare my previous post to ardee’s.

I put effort, creativity, and my best analysis into that post. You might not agree with it, but there is substance there.

Now read ardee:

In “Ozark speak” this effort baldly states the “horrors” of a government run by and for the people. Oh dear Michael, can’t have that now can we.

How much effort, creativity and analysis does it take ardee to write like that? After years here I conclude that is the best he can do. Always a personal attack, always an insult. Nothing more than that.

He pretends to be matching up against me, but does he contribute anything? The whole point of my scenario was that ‘the people’ cannot overrule Occupy, since Occupy short-circuits the election process.

ardee merely repeats the assertion that Occupy truly is ‘the people’, and ardee insists on that, whether ‘the people’ like it or not, which is a very Leninist view for him to take.

If an election cannot overrule Occupy, then Occupy is a dictation. And if people like ardee cannot even see that possibility, then they have blindly accepted the dictatorship of the Occupy faction in the name of ‘the people’.

If Occupy succeeds, ‘the people’ are stuck with Occupy whether a majority of us like it or not. The Occupy method is the seed of a Leninist dictatorship. Instead of disproving my point, ardee and his insults seem to suggest my point is true.

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By ardee, November 21, 2011 at 4:03 am Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, November 20 at 3:24 pm

In “Ozark speak” this effort baldly states the “horrors” of a government run by and for the people. Oh dear Michael, can’t have that now can we.

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By OzarkMichael, November 20, 2011 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic asked me to explain what “if Occupy succeeds” means and how this logically entailed.

So i shall.

Let us imagine that Occupy is able to make the US government concede something. Let it be one idea from Occupy, one that is peripheral and contentious. I will choose ‘closing the Federal Reserve’ because I have no idea why it might be a good or bad idea. I want something incomprehensible(to me) and thus value nuetral so we wont argue over it, because instead we must focus on the process.

So let it be in our imaginary scenario that the US Fed gets shut down as an appeasement to the Occupiers. I know it is not the main point of Occupy, this is just an example to show how all the ‘fascists’ will have their civic power curtailed.


Lets imagine the upcoming election, and imagine that all the conservative (fascist) people vote to reinstate the Fed, and we win that referendum. Perhaps we got support from independents to do it. Well, regardless, the big question is… now what?
Do you think Occupy will look at the referendum and submit to the will of the majority?

I dont. Here is why: They are already eschewing the election process. They already think that we are brain-washed fascists(at worst) or unknowing pawns at best. In other words, Occupy has assumed the mantle of the 99% , meaning they act in the name of the 99%, For that reason, voting(I mean nationally, outside their tight knit, like-minded soviet) has no meaning, and thus any national election is null and void. Especially if they disagree with the policy that results, most especially if they spot what they call ‘fascism’ behind it!

So Occupy will immediately re-Occupy to re-establish their success of abolishing the Fed. Tne election result is thus undone. The people who voted for it(even if its a large majority) are all disenfranchised, their vote has been abolished, discounted, debased, made null.

Please dont explain the fed to me, that isnt the point. Focus on understanding the process that i am talking about:
1)We start with Occupation
2)That leads to government concession
3)At election time the concession is negated by referendum
4)Now… do the Occupiers bow to the will of the people? No! They re-occupy to re-establish the concession.
5)Government grants Occupy the concession.

So we see that only those who agree with the Occupation have votes that matter. Voters that dissent from the Occupiers have been disenfranchised.

You wanted careful steps… so please look at the process, do not explain the Fed to me, or ask me to use a different example. I start with only process. We can later use exmples that we really care about, but right now i am trying to make the process plain as day.

That is why I wonder if you, dear reader, term anyone who disputes the Hedges/Sheer worldview as “a brainwashee, a fascist, or a sycophantic
fascist sympathizer”. If you do, you have a pretext to do all sorts of things. Today i have described one example of something you might do.

If Occupy succeeds, then all the ‘fascists’ will have their civic power curtailed. How? First, our vote will not mean much unless we agree with the Occupiers. If we vote en masse(successfully) against a policy implemented via Occupy, the Occupiers will merely short circuit the election results again and ‘re-Occupy’ in order to re-establish their policy.

Occupy cannot be turned aside by a majority vote or by a law. That is why I say that Occupy is a ‘dictation’, I say Occupy is the seed of dictatorship, not by one person, but by a Leftist faction.

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By GradyLeeHoward, November 20, 2011 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

Ownership Is Provisional Below A Particular
Threshold; Under Oligarchy

Suppose we made the great leap forward in
implementing the upper middle class prescription.
Would our problems go away? That prescription often
includes these four concoctions:
Campaign finance reform
Stricter EPA enforcement
Easy access to higher education
Medicare for all
These all seem desirable outcomes under current
conditions, but our failure to acquire or achieve
any of these popular reforms is symptomatic of
larger systemic and structural obstacle s. We
understand subconsciously that reform can never
come about because of the realities of polarized
power versus quiescence. A US GINI coefficient of
nearly .5 illustrates how the well of power has
been sequestered. Paraphrasing Christ in the New
Testament the Elite might honestly state, ”No one
comes to the water except by me.” That is not only
figuratively true, but increasingly literally true,
and especially in the case of water resource
privatization, and not only in the USA. So most of
our citizenry is always thirsty for the means to
progress, even the tools to maintain civilization.
Such a monopoly of power means that even attitudes
and ideologies can be dictated coercively. A clue
to our dilemma is how artificial scarcity is
manufactured under large-scale capitalism. On this
planet of 7 billion persons food production remains
adequate if not sustainable but it is financialism
that starves those without food money.

The People nor Congress make or control or
interpret or apply law and regulation. Any
limitations on money as speech in elections or
lobbying is always vetoed by our wealthy and
powerful Oligarchy. They often do so through
Supreme Court decisions, defective legislation full
of exceptions and loopholes, restraint by the
Executive Branch in prosecution, and media blitzes
to confuse the electorate. There are other means at
their disposal.
A spectrum from grammar school educational content
to false flagged attacks on our populous and
infrastructure are continually deployed. Because
elite classes of persons, their retinue and their
institutions are above the law by use of wealth
prestige, secrecy and claims of national security
legislative controls often fall heaviest on forces
of reform. We
have deviated so far from egalitarian ideals that
capitalism might be designated our state religion
to be protected under the 2nd clause of the First
Amendment. We clearly designate the possession of
wealth as our prime hierarchical determinant. Why
is it so strange then that all American politics
are bought?

Under such a rubric both education and medicine
can’t help but be poisoned and adulterated
products. They will remain so until profit motive
influence abates. What is the purpose of providing
easier access to flawed services designed to
perpetuate and advance callousness and injustice?
Medicine is now the crux of extortion as higher
education screens and legitimizes a subservient
upper class of apologists to rationalize, defend,
inform and adore Oligarchy.

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By GradyLeeHoward, November 20, 2011 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

Stricter EPA enforcement relates directly to issues
of ownership as opposed to a sustaining commons or
collective interest. Here lies the weakest plank of
the Progressive upper middle class platform. Real
extant property is at issue as are valuable
resources. This is the least likely venue for the
wealthiest and their corporate liabilities to
concede or compromise anything. The first priority
of fascist ideology in modern times has been
privatization. Oligarchy’s strongest arguments and
resources are brought to bear relentlessly when real
property is at issue. The EPA, like the FDA and
other regulators, is captive to the needs of nominal
owners.

Below a certain accumulation and sphere of influence
Americans lack property rights. Under the national
security state rudimentary rights of privacy and
security in a primary dwelling place have been lost.
Under usury
most homeowners are only debtors under banking
discretion. And the same holds true for intellectual
property, which is increasingly a corporate
province. Student loan debt amounts to a mortgage on
the mind. How could it not be so that those in power
would see the advantages of extending customs of
real property and resource ownership onto cultural
and scientific abstractions. Intellectual property
is also concentrating rapidly.

The present tendency is further concentration of
power and wealth among fewer and fewer legally
exceptional entities; wealthy families and their
corporate interests. And the only remaining
countervailing force is the frustration and rising
consciousness of the dispossessed and excluded
masses. The saddest occurrence is when those
retainers who understand that this regime is
unsustainable and self-consuming continue their
allegiance to Oligarchy in hopes their tenuous
claims to negligible property and perks will be
preserved. Better minds should be capable of seeing
that they will be jettisoned right along with fading
human rights as the enclave of power contracts.

When Martin Niemoller (1892-1984) writes:
First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade
unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
he is not only speaking of Christian compassion and
the human quest for empathy and justice. His poem
describes a series of philosophical and practical
encirclements of il

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By GradyLeeHoward, November 20, 2011 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

legitimate power. Niemoller was a member of the
approved cadre of acculturated and sophisticated
people dedicated to maintaining a workable
civilization. When power becomes overly
concentrated it is by definition criminal. Starting
with its weakest opponents it eliminates dissent,
because ideas are communicable like a plague and so
panic the illegitimate Elite. Such regimes
exterminate their way inward without admitting they
are the pathogen undermining the societal body.

When the right of private property is no longer a
product of community consensus but becomes
conditional to the whims of Oligarchy it really
ceases to exist. Because at that stage there is no
law but the whims of the terroristic hostage takers
and hoarders we call Oligarchs. There is one rule,
enforceable by the consensus of the People, that
could halt the impending cascade collapse of
civilization. Somehow we must impose strict limits
on income and wealth in order to limit
concentration of power. Then a better version of
upper middle class myths may become feasible. Don’t
fool yourselves: You are more than what they let
you own. That kind of ownership is an illusion.

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By gerard, November 20, 2011 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Note:  When heterochromatic starts giving advice to Ozark Michael, it’s time to quit.

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By heterochromatic, November 20, 2011 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

Oz, you’ve out much in that formulation.

Explain what   “if Occupy succeeds” means and how this is logically entailed…..


——If Occupy succeeds, then all the ‘fascists’ will have their civic power curtailed.
How? First, our vote will not mean much unless we agree with the Occupiers. If we
vote en masse(successfully) against a policy implemented via Occupy, the
Occupiers will merely short circuit the election results again and ‘re-Occupy’ in
order to re-establish their policy.——


seems to me that you’re making leaps when careful steps would be best.

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By Leefeller, November 20, 2011 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

Yes OWS is just starting, it is only 2 months and a few days old, it will probably take way to long for some who are used to instant gratification. Sort of like all the people who are dissing Obama who made some lame choices and decision in my view, for his hanger ons, but he seems to be getting into the groove, change is always to fast for some and way to slow for others.

Again, OM, we do not live in a democracy, we live in a bought and sold representative republic democracy. Forgetting the fact disenfranchisement is real and reality must never be allowed in the same room with conservatives, for authority seems to be conservative democracy with its standard corruption, so we get to vote at the auction choosing from the winner of the higher bidder. Anyway you look at it…. money is not speech nor are corporations people.

OWS is people, I also suspect even you OM are a people, maybe working for the corporations?

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By OzarkMichael, November 20, 2011 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

I know my opinion doesnt count for much with you, but GradyLee, that was perhaps the best post you ever wrote. Your appraisal is cogent. I dont agree, but there is substance there. I return the favor.

What Chris Hedges is saying is that the Oligarchy will escalate in propaganda, curtailment of human rights and industrialized violence as an movement begins to catch on.

What Chris Hedges is also saying is that Occupy must escalate. The article is entitled “This is what Revolution looks like”. The accent has shifted away from ‘Democracy’.

Or is escalation a one-sided equation? Are the authorities merely on the hunt for Occupiers? No, first the Occupiers are on the hunt for confrontation with authority. Thats how Occupy works.

The Occupiers have decided to keep the authorites under constant provocation, new ones in every city every day. I suppose if you counted all the direct actions of Occupy Everywhere, there are probably 100 confrontations daily.

If the authorities choose to make an exception for the Occupiers, waiving enforcement of law and rules (that the rest of us live by) this is seen by Occupiers as a small victory, an acknowlegement by authority that the rules dont apply to the Occupiers since they represent the rightious cause of the people, the 99%.

So the Occupiers push for a little more. Now if the authorities enforce a law, even if it is done reasonably, the Occupiers claim that the will of the people is being thwarted and thus the Occupiers claim the right to escalate, as Hedges notes.

But the real pay-off for Occupy is when the authorities not only remove them but do so in a way that appears too violent for the situation. That mistake by the authories is the life-blood of Occupy, drawing attention and sympathy from everyone including me, propelling Occupy to martyr status.

This forum is the ideal place to be examining that specific phenomenon and not regressing to egoism and contests between discredited ideologies eclipsed by recent events.

Is it really examining the phenomenon if you examine only what the authorities do? If you have a scientific backround you know that a phenomenon is never understood if you study it as a solitary event. One should put the methods of Occupy under a microscope as well.

I agree about egoism, it is a game. I disagree about “discredited ideologies”, and that is not a game. You might have that opinion, fine. But you shouldnt have the power to decide that for everyone else. Isnt that what Occupy has done?

Occupy has decided that the sytem is so discredited and flawed that it doesnt work. Occupy not only has that opinion, but acts in such a way that Occupy is attempting to implement that for everyone else, hoping to short circuit the system for everyone’s good.

Mr. Hedges and even Mr. Sheer would tend
to term anyone who disputes any of these simple
points a brainwashee, a fascist, or a sycophantic
fascist sympathizer.

I wonder if you, GradyLeeHoward, term anyone who disputes the Hedges/Sheer worldview as “a brainwashee, a fascist, or a sycophantic
fascist sympathizer”.

I wonder if you, dear reader, realize how decisive such terms are. If Occupy succeeds, then all the ‘fascists’ will have their civic power curtailed. How? First, our vote will not mean much unless we agree with the Occupiers. If we vote en masse(successfully) against a policy implemented via Occupy, the Occupiers will merely short circuit the election results again and ‘re-Occupy’ in order to re-establish their policy.

Occupy cannot be turned aside by a majority vote or by a law. That is why I say that Occupy is a ‘dictation’, I say Occupy is the seed of dictatorship, not by one person, but by a Leftist faction.

It is not as you say “a regression” to discuss these things. In fact, it is forward thinking, it gets to the bottom line. Such discussion is rare, but i engage whenever anyone is willing.

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By heterochromatic, November 20, 2011 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

Old story about a mouse mounting an elephant, Lee….


OWS hasn’t yet grown large enough to even reach the buttons.

Lot of work to do

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By Leefeller, November 20, 2011 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

“Those controlling our population and our electorate are determined not to let Occupy or any other movement develop into an educational or informational force that can challenge them in any way.”

Recently Chris Hayes has exposed the success of Occupy in letters from a Lobbyist group who is hawking ideas for a fee to disenfranchise the Occupy movement to the bankers, amusingly this letter (which may be only the tip of the iceberg of what is going on) seem to be promoting the disenfranchising of the the disenfranchised even more.

Yes,... they will stop at nothing to keep their long hard erected control from becoming flaccid, after watching some of the police action around the nation, occupy has apparently pushed a few of their buttons.

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By GradyLeeHoward, November 20, 2011 at 6:30 am Link to this comment

The tone and level of the discussion here
(recently, at least this thread) is decidedly “not
what revolution looks like.” Let me discard my
customary “snark hat” for a moment. I do not think
even Mr. Sheer and Mr. Hedges are prepared for the
ramifications of what they rhetorically advocate.
Every blog like this falls prey to the machinations
of concentrated power. Those controlling our
population and our electorate are determined not to
let Occupy or any other movement develop into an
educational or informational force that can
challenge them in any way. What Chris Hedges is
saying is that the Oligarchy will escalate in
propaganda, curtailment of human rights and
industrialized violence as an movement begins to
catch on. This forum is the ideal place to be
examining that specific phenomenon and not
regressing to egoism and contests between
discredited ideologies eclipsed by recent events.
Most of us here have noting material to speak of,
and the little we have is conditional upon our
cooperation with the current imploding economic
system. So no person among the 99% (or the 90
unmade %, or the 80 unconnected %, if you will)
really has anything to lose in reorganizing
society. Mr. Hedges and even Mr. Sheer would tend
to term anyone who disputes any of these simple
points a brainwashee, a fascist, or a sycophantic
fascist sympathizer. We are at a stage where the
Empire in which we reside has accurately been
called syndicalist, merchantilist, and an inverted
totalitarian state. Much more than campaign finance
reform, Medicare for all, stricter EPA enforcement
and general access to higher education will be
required to reform it. Painting a bomb a different
color will not prevent it from exploding.Some of
you may subconsciously want to see civilization go
the way of the obsolete asbestos loaded World
Trade Center but I hope that I don’t. Make no
mistake: We are all hostages of the 1%, and they
have proven hubristic and unintelligent enough to
detonate all. (Crawling back into ever more
encysted and inbred cliques of discussion will not
work either. So when you read an over polite, way-
out or unworthy post jump over it like dog doo on
the sidewalk. Let the owner clean it up. WE are not
intimate here and not accountable until we choose
face to face interaction. The anonymous poster
lacks identity. Why, we can’t even stink or dress
funny.)

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By moonraven, November 20, 2011 at 5:08 am Link to this comment

You folks have managed to bore the crap out of me.  Ozark is so language-challenged he can’t even figure out who is posting—as if this poster normally posted comments about herself.  Hee haw!

Let’s get real, chatty catties. 

At least I will take that dump you folks have brought me to in a hotel bathroom—not on this site.  And I was also brought up to wipe afterwards, a practice that has apparently fallen out of favor since I was a baby back in the 40s.

Foucauld:  I did use to teach Wittgenstein back in the 70s—one of the few philosophers who saw the world through eyes similar to mine.  Although in his unfortunate GE Moore/Russell Tractatus phase he went so far off the track as to wash dishes in the bathtub.  Me, I’d rather just break them and buy new.

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By Night-Gaunt, November 19, 2011 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

<b>Ozark Michael</i> guarded in his writing. Circumlocutus and not direct and clear. Innuendo is part of his arsenal. So just be aware of him.

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

Michael.

Let’s get for real.  Personal attacks and innuendos
don’t really interest me, and I don’t think I speak
just for myself.

Speak out man!

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By OzarkMichael, November 19, 2011 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

Mooner really told me off with this oldie but goodie:

She’s got more sense in her little finger
than you ever will.

in the next breath Mooner thoughtlessly takes one more swing:

Indeed, you’re full of nothing but cliches

oh boy. it doesnt get better than that!

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment

OK, perhaps I overgeneralized, and I certainly didn’t
mean to include you or anyone in particular.  The
impression is not backed by any statistical study, just
a visual inspection of the TD pages.  OK?

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By Night-Gaunt, November 19, 2011 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

Lest I have to repeat you to you, “Quite a common condition for most of the denizens on
this forum who just love to hear themselves talk.”

When you said “most” you included others. So mind keeping the aspersions to yourself? It makes for more equanimity and less personal attacks.

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

It was specific. It picked up on Moonraven’s turn of
phrase.

It shouldn’t be necessary for me to name a person by
name in order to address them.  Context should make
that clear.

In any case, I didn’t mean to contribute to your
confusion.

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By heterochromatic, November 19, 2011 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

King Fou says ” above (with) your head ” 


the turkey speaks and, having spoken, gazes upon his words piss-proud and
thinks himself a well-preened peacock.

http://shithousecomics.thecomicseries.com/images/comics/10/88a0fda21600
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By Night-Gaunt, November 19, 2011 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

Your address was general not specific. But just keep ejaculating and we’ll get out of your way.

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

Hey, Gaunt,  That was a personal remark, not addressed
to you.  If it’s above your head, don’t jump in because
you’re only make yourself look stupid.

If there was any engaging discussion here, I’d be
there, but thus far, most of you folks are just
ejaculating.

Get use (sic) to it.

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

BTW, Moonraven, Mark Eden (aka “troll”) says hi.

Cindy didn’t chime in.  Did you have a run-in with her?

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By Foucauldian, November 19 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

“Delusions of grammar,” I like that.

Quite Wittgensteinian - like language bewitching
intelligence and intelligence, language.

Quite a common condition for most of the denizens on
this forum who just love to hear themselves talk.

Rather full of yourself aren’t you? Don’t you know that what you said boomerangs right to your glass house? Or must we used “fractured language” to please you? No going on that here from me. Discussions in the forum are what I seek not blather or puffery from every coxcomb and jackanape who can press two fingers to type. But that is just part of the milieu. Get use to it.

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

“Delusions of grammar,” I like that.

Quite Wittgensteinian - like language bewitching
intelligence and intelligence, language.

Quite a common condition for most of the denizens on
this forum who just love to hear themselves talk.

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

The only gas bag around here is you.

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By heterochromatic, November 19, 2011 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment

moonie- “Ergo, you are a bottom-scraper if there ever was oone.”

there are more than one, child, and impeccable command of the keyboard and the
Queen’s English elude most all of us.

additionally, sometimes our “ergos” lead us astray.

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By moonraven, November 19, 2011 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

Charlie:  Unless you are G.W. Bush—and I strongly suspect that you are not he—you cannot get through Yale and Harvard and become president while fracturing the grammar and syntax of your mother tongue.

Ergo, you are a bottom-scraper if there ever was oone.  Kicking delusions of grammar will entail your becoming literate, and from there, well, we shall see.

I don’t give you good probabilities for succeeding in this lifetime.

Remember, when you hear the sound of flushing, that you heard it here first.

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By heterochromatic, November 19, 2011 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

King Fou—i do like to put a needle in gas bags, but I surely don’t equate that
with trolling.

I question the idea that you’re attempting to put forth whereby someone who
questions the more obviously questionable things put forth is not offering
value.

I wonder about those who think that they’re bravely dissenting and “pushing all
the right buttons” and who want to call other people trolls.

Have a smoke and a shot of bourbon and ponder whether you should allow to
others what you claim for yourself.

a votre sante

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

Are you competing with Ozark for trolling?

Sure looks like it.

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By slumlord, November 19, 2011 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

ive read this garbage three times and i get it now. you’re writing a movie.. commercial in your head. a nexus strapped neo hippie gets scraped knees or an old lady has pepper mist in her eye and you see slow mo ass kicking from 300.

you need to come up for air before you start shooting zuade kaufman with… what? a nerf gun? and seeking out a biographer.

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By heterochromatic, November 19, 2011 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

King Fou—-Master of the Universe !!!!!  Grasper of Great Balls !!!!!

http://youtu.be/gOCNY9pJ850

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

Exactly, Charle.  Re-distribution of income ain’t no
shit. 

It’s time to take the world by the balls.

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By Charlie1877, November 19, 2011 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

Dear Bottom %

You will always be poor and I’m glad. I will never have to compete with you in this
game of life. You have already lost and its your fault.

The vast majority of you’re lot in life is up to you, It cannot be provided for you.
And no matter whom is Predident, George Washington, George Soros, or George
Bush you will remain exactly where you are.

You can tax “The Rich”, whom I guess you do not really regard as people, at 95
percent, but your life will not change. You can never win, because the problem is
not them its YOU.

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By Foucauldian, November 19, 2011 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Hey, Ozark

I don’t care whether Moonraven is a human, an animal or
a vegetable.  She’s got more sense in her little finger
than you ever will.

Indeed, you’re full of nothing but cliches.  And if
there was a contest for the troll of the year, rest
assured you’d be in the running.

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By moonraven, November 19, 2011 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

Ozark:  One of the things that I find so despicably tedious about you professional gringo jingos is your inability to write and speak in anything except cliches.

Don’t bother to engage me again, as I won’t be biting on your manufactured pap.

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By slumlord, November 19, 2011 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

“The second stage, the one we have entered now…”

you’re delusional. this lightly-termed movement hasn’t entered any kind of stage. if anything, its like a premature baby struggling to find a reason to be alive.

there are nothing but pretentious assholes on both sides of the fence.

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By Charlie1877, November 19, 2011 at 8:39 am Link to this comment
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The vast majority of ones lot in life is entirely up to you’re self. You’re life would be no
different if George Wasgington, George Soros, or George Bush were president. And
even if you enslaved all the rich and stole all their money you’re life would be no
different.

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By EllisPurdie, November 19, 2011 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

An excellent piece of journalism from an excellent writer and thinker.  I can
only hope that truth and goodness prevail, and in Christ’s name that
“justice [rolls] on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream!”
(Amos 5:24). 

Let’s all turn off our TVs and flood to the library.

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By DB, November 19, 2011 at 7:19 am Link to this comment
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How is that you are even allowed to publish this
drivel?

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By Leefeller, November 19, 2011 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

Hedges paints a clear picture for the disenfranchised to see themselves, when he writes of those who would dare to think they are in power, some of the deluded 1 percent; “They have nothing to offer. They can destroy but they cannot build. They can repress but they cannot lead. They can steal but they cannot share. They can talk but they cannot speak.”

When reading the above many things come to mind, but right now I clearly see the Republican agenda and especially the Republican Presidential candidates, who as proud ass kissing minions of the 1 percent if not already a part of the 1 percent have manipulated themselves into lofty perches but as of late drafty perches of power! 

The system is corrupt, it is broken, it is disgusting to behold blatant liars who with such impudent lack of shame continue to stand in front of the people and spew their garbage. Hedges list of cannot’s’ is held over their heads like a banner.

I refuse to predict what the future holds, but it makes sense to me, as more and more people catch on to the empty diatribes spewing from those once lofty perches, the emptiness of their offers will become apparent to most everyone as they realize that wealth and power have no clothes!

(I know, I need to find a better metaphor!)

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By elisalouisa, November 19, 2011 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

There must be some doubt as to your beliefs considering the fact that you simply
can’t stay away. Admit the truth Michael, Truthdig is the place to be.

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By OzarkMichael, November 19, 2011 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

Everyone knows that I own this website.

So get a room, Mooner. And take your Smootchie-Fou with you. When you are done come back and join the grown-ups.

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By moonraven, November 19, 2011 at 5:29 am Link to this comment

Ozark:  When did you buy this site, capitalist thread cop?

Just what is not needed:  More fascists telling everybody what to do.

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By Steven, November 19, 2011 at 12:54 am Link to this comment
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Please be cognisant, you are fighting not only for
your own quality of life, but for that of citizens
the world over, and of nature the world over. The US
government, with its foreign policy informed by the
needs of their corporations, are integral to the
spread of neoliberal economics through agencies such
as the IMF, World Bank, WTO - for the last 3 decades,
with the US at the helm, quality of life for people
the world over, and environmental standards the world
over, have been falling in a tragic race to the
bottom. What is happening now in the US, has happened
in South America, Africa, and Asia, as whole
economies and societies have been gutted in the name
of ‘market efficiency’ - a misnomer for corporate
wealth accumulation. Now that the US governing
corporation complex has fed outside their den, it
comes home to feed on itself - this is what cancer of
the soul looks like. So, your actions strengthen the
whole world. Good luck and strength to the occupy
movement.

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By druydess, November 19, 2011 at 12:50 am Link to this comment
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Well done!! Such an eloquent dissertation on an in-
eloquent situation.
It is clear to many of us, Sir, that you are indeed
correct. You voice speaks for us.

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By Leefeller, November 18, 2011 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

Occupy is growing and from all appearances, the Republicans are more upset then the Democrats about Occupy,... wonder why that is?

This is just the beginning, the tip of the iceberg, Occupy must be diligent and keep a wary eye out for the disenfranchisers are becoming disenchanted from there previous well hidden secure perches! The conversation of the nation has changed and more people are onto the who is sitting on those perches!

Before Occupy existed, which has been only two months, most people where aware of the inequality, but they only shrugged their shoulders and said;... “just follow the money.” .... Things have changed!

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By Rev. David B. Smith, November 18, 2011 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment
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Great article, brother!

As a fellow boxer, your analogy to the ring is particularly powerful.  Gentleman Jim used to say ‘just fight one more round’, and that’s all we need to aim at. Brawlers never last the distance! grin

Father Dave
http://www.fatherdave.org

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

Sure it is.

And it’s fun to press all the right buttons.

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By heterochromatic, November 18, 2011 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

aw, Fou—-isn’t it fun to be provoked and incited?

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

You;re a jackass, Ozark.  Hasn’t anybody ever tell you?

You’ve been trolling since day one.  Who in the fuck
are you defending except your own stinking ass?

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By OzarkMichael, November 18, 2011 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

Native or gringo, revolutionary or reactionary, please keep the wet kisses to a minimum, or take it to private messages.

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By Alan K. Weeks, November 18, 2011 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment
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Magnificant article. Really from the heart. It made me hopeful, sad and happy all at the same time. Truly something big is happening. I am eighty years old and have never lived in times like these. It is really up to the young people to change our Country. They have the strength
and energy to do it. Still it is great to see
many old people helping them. God bless them
all. This editorial proves the power of words.

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By heterochromatic, November 18, 2011 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

Lee,

ample space in the boot, is there not?

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By Leefeller, November 18, 2011 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

Recently I caught a couple fornicating or very close to it on the hood of my Rolls Royce, I told them to get a room!

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

Lest you didn’t know, I’m the most commented on writer
in BC’s history, and I don’t doubt I’ll carry this
distinction to my grave.

“Bring it on” is my motto.

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

Besides, you don’t want people ether who are all too
agreeable.

Isn’t it fun, sometimes, to provoke and to incite?

If not you or I, who then?

Think of it as doing “salvation work.”

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

But don’t give up just yet, please ...

I’m in the process of forming a group.

It’d be a pity to lose you now, the living legend.

I’m being only humorously facetious.

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

Just link to BC

http://blogcritics.org/

and then writer’s profile,

http://blogcritics.org/writers/roger-nowosielski/

which will give you the list of published articles.

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By cardcarry, November 18, 2011 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment
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Fantastic column.

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By moonraven, November 18, 2011 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

Foucauldian:  Your link dumped me off at Page Not Found, sorry.

I have been posting off and on here on Truthdig for several years, but the only folks who want to duke it out are so retrograde and boring that I can’t get enthused.  Also, truthdig doesn’t accept posting the same post on several threads, which I like to do as I don’t have much time for this shit.  So….

Besides, there is nothing that even remotely resembles a revolution happening in gringolandia.  It’s that folks take everything so seriously and are so narcisstic that they believe a fart outside of Brooks Brothers is equivalent to a firebombing.

Here in Latin America we’ve had a bit of experience with revolutions—most of which didn’t go anywhere but straight to gatopardism (changing everything so that everything remains the same, in the words of Burt Lancaster’s prince in Il Gatopardo).  In Venezuela they are trying to kick the colonialism habit, but it ain’t easy.  In the US, folks are still in denial that they have almost all been colonialized—not just nojn-whites.  So they aren’t going to do squat.

Better that I go back to reading my Greek murder mystery translated into Spanish here in Lisboa.

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

moonraven, November 18 at 9:42 am

Andarcissie does.

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By Leefeller, November 18, 2011 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

Occupy seems to be growing, yesterday appeared to be a big event or as the bought and sold media would prefer; it was a minor event,consisting of a lazy bunch of dirty hippies, high on crack defecating, copulating and spiting on the streets of the nation, throwing dirt (feces) like monkeys at the zoo. while honest hard working people who still happen to have a job were trying to pick up their kids at the baby sitters.

Reality is better then friction!

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/moral-language-
and-its-grammar-an/

A teaser

If full link doesn’t register, it’s still workable via
copying and pasting.

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

And thanks for sharing

when back, I’ll post a link to my writings

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

I’ll check it out shortly, but you should be safe here,
for a long stretch.

As far as you’re concerned, must be good hunting
grounds—at last.

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By moonraven, November 18, 2011 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

You can sort of keep current on this site:

http://ravensdriftingcloud.blogspot.com

I posted Part 21 a little while ago on Commondreams and was immediately banned.  Guess I must be doing the right thing.

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

Got to get me some smokes and bourbon before I can
fully wake up—so don’t mind me.

I’ll be back.

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

So glad you f ... responded, though let me forewarn
you, I am a white (though not privileged) male.

In any case, I’m trying to continue your tradition at
BC—confrontational and in-your-face—and Kurtz did
too till we was banned.  Of course, everyone hates me,
expect for Cindy and Mark Eden.

My goodness, what a find!

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By moonraven, November 18, 2011 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

Anyone who has read Foucault is probably on the same side as I am.

Who else could I be?

Know anybody else on these boards who tells it like it REALLY is, and not like they heard it was or hoped it was?  I don’t—except for a few other native brothers who have been banned from most of the sites—and that’s why I am still here after all these years.

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By moonraven, November 18, 2011 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

INTIMATIONS OF THE NEXT WORLD

21.

“Soy un técnico, pero tengo técnica
solo dentro de la técnica.
Aparte de esto estoy loco,
con todo el derecho de estarlo.”
Fernando Pessoa

Day 1 is sunny,
day 2 is cloudy; am I
here in Lisboa
to document the collapse
of the euro currency

or the footprints of
Pessoa still fresh on the
paving stones after
all these years, crazy
in a world where all watches

display the same hour,
where fascism holds hands with
anarchy and we
are all supposed to go down
together into that good

night of History?
Pessoa would probably
say, right along with
Garbo, that the only wish
we can have is the right to

want to be alone,
and it’s been taken from us.
Greeks band together
to swallow tear gas instead
of World Monetary Funds,

and Italians march
against neo-liberal
prime ministers, while
in Oakland the streets
are reloaded with police

shooting at panthers
who this time round may be white,
and Benetton shows
Obama judas-kissing
Chávez and receives thumbs down.

In the Juneau rain
a Haida leader explains
why the survival
of our species depends on
their right to be left alone.

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

As I scroll these pages, sure as hell it is you.

Let me take the liberty and say hello on behalf of
Cindy.

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By Foucauldian, November 18, 2011 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

Moonraven,

Is that the same you from BC?  I joined after, you know
what, but I’ve heard all ‘bout you from Kurtz’s
account.

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By moonraven, November 18, 2011 at 9:14 am Link to this comment

David Cyr: You sure made my case, rude and crude gringo.

You are definitely not my brother—nor anyone else’s, probably.

Get over your whiteness, eh?

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By David J. Cyr, November 18, 2011 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, from 11/15 Todd Gitlin article in NY Daily News:

“Moveon.org Civic Action, which embraces OWS, had already planned a march for Thursday — one of 300 such actions nationwide that they claim to be in the works that day”
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MoveOn’s corporate party embrace of any independent political movement is a death embrace.

Todd Gitlin was a corporate party operative within SDS in the 60’s. It was corporate party operatives like him that persuaded near all the young in SDS to spend the rest of their lives in obedient service to the corporate party. An uber-liberal, Gitlin has (D) dedicated his life to doing what Democrats do: redirect revolt against corporatism into service of corporatism.

This Wednesday, the occupy “supporting” SEIU endorsed Obama for re-election… endorsed the Goldman Sachs/Halliburton fracking/Tar sands extracting/MovingOn to militarily engage Iran and China candidate for POTUS.

All across the nation, corporate party Democrat predators are descending upon the Occupy Movement like wolves stalking lambs — invading and occupying the OM with a corporate party activist army.

What’s happening now is the UFPJification of the OWS. Democrats have been successfully subverting social justice movements for over 120 years.

All political activism in America that is “nonpartisan” is, in its effect, corporate party partisan.

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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So far, this Occupy Movement “revolution” is only serving to get out the corporate party controlled union vote for Obama and other Democrats… to keep corporatism alive! Keep corporatism alive! Keep corporatism alive!

How so David? A movement refusing to acknowledge either political party is actually a tool useful for gaining votes for democrats? A moement that has neither structure or heirarchy supports corporatism?

Over the top, over the dam too.

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What is with this commentator who calls us sisters and brothers?

You had better be a native american like me, and had b etter be speaking only to other native americans, or YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

oh sheesh, get over yourself. Only Amerinds have a right to call each the other brother or sister? The question remains ,how can you type with your head so far up that nether region?

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By David J. Cyr, November 18, 2011 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

So far, this Occupy Movement “revolution” is only serving to get out the corporate party controlled union vote for Obama and other Democrats… to keep corporatism alive! Keep corporatism alive! Keep corporatism alive!

Are the occupiers going to be satisfied with just ending up being co-opted martyrs for the Democrats who have made America’s fascism sustainable?

All political activism in America that is “nonpartisan” is, in its effect, corporate party partisan.

An Occupy Movement that fails to seize this opportune moment to use elections for revolutionary purpose — in strong grassroots support of non-corporate candidates — will be a short-lived movement completely co-opted by the corporate party’s devious deeply depraved Democrats.

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By moonraven, November 18, 2011 at 5:32 am Link to this comment

What is with this commentator who calls us sisters and brothers?

You had better be a native american like me, and had b etter be speaking only to other native americans, or YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

When you white guys start advocating big time for the rights of the indigenous folks to be restored—the only way this genocidal era has any chance of coming out alive—I’ll consider the sister and brother bit.

As Chief Seattle said, many moons ago, “Maybe we are all brothers after all—we shall we.”

Meanwhile, please insert a sock in your sanctimonious shilling.

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By Leefeller, November 18, 2011 at 5:30 am Link to this comment

The Genius of Occupy is that it does not have one leader for authorities to target, hence the 99 percent!  The occupy message is loud and clear, Occupy is only 2 months old and it is addressing years of corruption, unfairness, disenfranchisement, inequality, and inequity!

My pet peeve grievance, is to get the money out and shove the ludicrous theory by the Supremes, that corporations are people and money is speech right up where the sun don’t shine next to the place the bought and sold Republicans keep their heads and pocket books. People of Occupy carry signs describing what they are about.

Far as I can tell, Occupy is a social movement not a sewing bee! Occupy has listed some grievances and I suspect the powers that be do not like them for the conversation has changed and truth is supposed to be kept way back in dark corners of the closet!

May be hard for some people to get their heads around the concept of a movement without one leader and one or two pointed at goals,.... occupy is different because it is the 99 percent, closest thing we shall see in a lifetime to a real democracy, not the bought and sold one controlled by the few, the 1 percent!

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By Walker Z., November 18, 2011 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

CClausen’s observations are worthy, and I, too, was going
to comment on the issue of scale.  Perhaps Chris Hedges’
does overstate the degree to which the OWS represents a
tipping point in this transformation; far be it from me,
however, to pass judgement in this case, given my relative
seclusion here in the United States vis a vis the things
my old friend Chris has experienced in his career.

That said, there IS something in the air, and OWS may be
one facet of it.  I believe I represent another side to
it, one which supports the fundamental movement Chris is
driving at.  I have worked for thirty some odd years in
the private, non-profit sector—education to be
specific.  Whatever idealism (or delusion?) that motivated
my journey has in recent years been replaced by a hard-
bitten realism about the state of America.  OWS may not
have it right, but it is on the right track.

Believe me, I am not alone.  Colleague after colleague in
my institution has become disaffected by the corporate
consumption of this culture.  Those in power (whoever they are) are
woefully mistaken if they believe that those of us who
have implicitly supported this system—yes, I admit that
I have served very nicely as a member of the “lumpen
borgeoise”—are going to tolerate much more. 

It’s a very dangerous game they play when they alienate
their erstwhile pennyboys.

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By cclauson, November 17, 2011 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment
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Couple of comments—first, I’m wondering if Chris Hedges isn’t overstating the scale of what’s happening here.  I’d like to think that this is the push back on the part of the elites that comes right before major reforms, but looking around me (and I realize that this is dangerous—people I’m around may not be representative), although a lot of people are aware of OWS and sympathize, they’re still significantly far away from the point where they’ll take to the streets and/or go on strike.  So basically I’m thinking this might be John Brown before the civil war—not quite in the mainstream, but a leading indicator of where the country is going.

Second, a lot of people, both here and elsewhere, are saying the the movement is too unstructured, not enough leadership, unclear message, needs demands, and I totally agree.  I could write a lot on this, but on the subject of demands—I think they need some, because “we’re occupying this public space in order to effect such-and-such a change in public policy” looks much better than “we’re occupying this public space because we’re generally discontent and nothing is going to get us to leave”, and the movement I think tends to look too much like the latter and not enough like the former.  The more they look like the latter, the easier it is for authorities to justify evicting them.

On leadership/organization—yeah, I think they definitely need that, too.  Occupations, demonstrations, and strikes are fine tools, but if they’re rolling and random, then again I think it’s easy for people to portray the movement negatively.  If there are explicit demands, then the protesters control the narrative better, and put more pressure on government officials to implement real reforms.

Additional commentary: I think it would be extremely beneficial if there was more explicit dialogue on the strain of utopian anarchism that runs through the occupy movement.  Just to make clear what I’m talking about, it’s this notion that all social evils come from hierarchical organization, and if everyone embraces an anti-authoritarian anti-hierarchical ethic, this will spread contagiously throughout the country, government will melt away, and problems will be solved, and moreover, this is likely to happen in the near future—like the next couple of years.

The reason I’m calling this out is that I’m getting the impression that there are a lot of people in the Occupy movement who implicitly believe this, but keep it on the down-low because they think (rightly) that most people would think it’s bizarre.  In my opinion, the movement would be healthier if people either state that they believe this and try to defend it, or call it out and criticize it.

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By Leefeller, November 17, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

The word Shame coming from one of our resident deluded Republican/tea bags is a gross miscarriage of the English language and… a real shame too! Sort of seems like someone in the KKK calling another person a raciest. 

Today was a new era for the two month old Occupy Movement, it no longer exists according to another deluded or should I say deluding right wing clown, who appears on Fox Fair and Unbalanced Tripe!

In just two months we have seen the Republicans and their circus of clones doing everything possible to throw dirt on and discredit the Occupy Movement and it is just beginning, you know what is a shame, is liars are not prosecuted for their infractions against truth and facts, you know if they where prosecuted, there wouldn’t be a Republican party as it exists today!

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By OzarkMichael, November 17, 2011 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

Occupy Wall Street has no shame. Little kids trying to get to school have to run a gauntlet of Occupiers, some shouting ‘follow those kids’ and one protestor does so, stalking a kid and his father.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/17/ows-protesters-chant-follow-those-kids-as-small-children-try-to-go-to-school-on-wall-street/

If it was Tea Party folks who did that we would all be shocked and angry. I know I would be ashamed.

But since its Occupiers, we all know how very important and very special the Occupation is, so you will of course overlook it, or blame it on agents provocateurs.

Dont forget that Occupiers are the wisest and best and bravest of us all!

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By redteddy, November 17, 2011 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

Hedges calls this the beginning of the end, when what I see is the beginning of the
beginning.

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By redteddy, November 17, 2011 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

I disagree with Hedges when he says we are now in an era of “naked force” used
against the government and elites against the people nor an age of a new
american revolution.  There are trickles of it as we have seen during the OWS
movement here in NY and around the country but the movement has yet to
seduce the rest of the 99% away from the tv and the paying of bills to join them
in the streets.  Most of the 99% will still utilize the present political system as a
means of change and perhaps do not fully realize how this system has been co-
opted.  Naked force would mean tanks in the streets as well as riot police.  It
would mean large scale detentions of activists in an effort to intimidate using
torture and other means to demoralize. Naked force is what happens when you
have the bulk of a given population in open revolt.  Right now all you have is a
small section of society raging against the machine.  I do not see americans
revolting against anything at all.  When the OWS movement swells to mammoth
proportions and includes the majority of americans who are willing to face off
with police, strike and abandon the political system then we can say the
moment has arrived.

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