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Posted on Mar 1, 2010
AP / Chris Carlson

By Chris Hedges

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A shift to the Green Party, McKinney and Nader, along with genuine grass-roots movements, will not be a quick fix. It will require years in the wilderness. We will again be told by the Democrats that the least-worse candidate they select for office is better than the Republican troll trotted out as an alternative. We will be bombarded with slick commercials about hope and change and spoken to in a cloying feel-your-pain language. We will be made afraid. But if we again acquiesce we will be reduced to sad and pathetic footnotes in our accelerating transformation from a democracy to a totalitarian corporate state. Isolation and ridicule—ask Nader or McKinney—is the cost of defying power, speaking truth and building movements. Anger at injustice, as Martin Luther King wrote, is the political expression of love. And it is vital that this anger become our own. We have historical precedents to fall back upon. 

“Here in the United States, at the beginning of the twentieth century, before there was a Soviet Union to spoil it, you see, socialism had a good name,” the late historian and activist Howard Zinn said in a lecture a year ago at Binghamton University. “Millions of people in the United States read socialist newspapers. They elected socialist members of Congress and socialist members of state legislatures. You know, there were like fourteen socialist chapters in Oklahoma. Really. I mean, you know, socialism—who stood for socialism? Eugene Debs, Helen Keller, Emma Goldman, Clarence Darrow, Jack London, Upton Sinclair. Yeah, socialism had a good name. It needs to be restored.”

Social change does not come through voting. It is delivered through activism, organizing and mobilization that empower groups to confront the hegemony of the corporate state and the power elite. The longer socialism is identified with the corporatist policies of the Democratic Party, the longer we allow the right wing to tag Obama as a socialist, the more absurd and ineffectual we become. The right-wing mantra of “Obama the socialist,” repeated a few days ago to a room full of Georgia Republicans, by Newt Gingrich, the former U.S. speaker of the House, is discrediting socialism itself. Gingrich, who looks set to run for president, called Obama the “most radical president” the country had seen in decades. “By any standard of government control of the economy, he is a socialist,” Gingrich said. If only the critique were true.

The hypocrisy and ineptitude of the Democrats become, in the eyes of the wider public, the hypocrisy and ineptitude of the liberal class. We can continue to tie our own hands and bind our own feet or we can break free, endure the inevitable opprobrium, and fight back. This means refusing to support the Democrats. It means undertaking the laborious work of building a viable socialist movement. It is the only alternative left to save our embattled open society. We can begin by sending a message to the Green Party, McKinney and Nader. Let them know they are no longer alone.

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By elisalouisa, March 3, 2010 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

You suggestion as to millions of letters, etc. is a good one. However, there must
be an organization with clout that you are part of. The most effective clout is
money. Big money has our government in its pocket. Things have changed
drastically gerard.

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By robertr, March 3, 2010 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment

While I agree with much of what Hedges writes, I can’t help but feel a sad, sinking feeling of deja vu. It seems that in its disappointment that planet earth did not turn into an Eden on the day of Barack Obama’s inauguration, the left is setting up a disaster just like the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 and the non-election of George Bush in 2000. Additional political parties with some influence would be a fine thing, but why weren’t people agitating for this five years ago? I’ll tell you why. The only thing any of us could think about was getting Bush the hell out of office. Well, we did that and we managed to keep McCain out as well. You think the differences between Republicans and Democrats are only marginal? If you think so your memories are as short and faulty as those of Republicans. By all means go ahead and demonize Barack Obama until he cannot be re-elected and then when Sarah Palin is president we can have another discussion about the utter corruption of the Democratic Party and how the Democrats and the Republicans are the same. I’m not saying we shouldn’t work on developing political parties in addition to the Democrats and the Republicans. We definitely should. We should apply pressure to Obama and other Democrats to pursue a progressive agenda. But if Hedges and others on the left continue to cast this struggle in such apocalyptic terms we may well find ourselves in much worse circumstances. Dissatisfaction with Jimmy Carter, including Ted Kennedy’s divisive presidential bid, helped lead to the ascendancy of Reagan, and we are still paying the price. I have offered my share of criticism of the Obama administration, but I find this apparent belief on the part of many on the left that we are somehow much worse off now than we were when Bush was president ludicrous and infantile. You aren’t children. Make your criticisms (but base them in fact), work to change things, apply pressure, but when you try to make Barack Obama out to be the devil you are nothing more than Glenn Becks of the left.

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By synic3, March 3, 2010 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

Stcfarms wrote:
“The Dutch, Danish and the Chinese lead the world in renewable resources and Chinese industry is modernizing at a phenomenal rate even as ours declines. India will be the other nation that will rise to fill the vacuum created by the fall of the US empire. The United States will just be a marginal player on the world stage.
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So, tiny Netheland and Denimark will surpass the USA.
I am familiar with the conditions in China and India and as matter of fact visited them both.
Both of them have gigantic environmental problems especially air and water pollution
It is almost seldom you can see a blue sky especialy in India and that is the result of continuos smog from burning coal as home fuel in China and wood&brush; in India.
Both of them have endemic corruption and intractable bureaucracy.
The living standard in China is much better than India which has very wide spread abject povery where almos 1/4 of the population live in the streets and open spaces. The infrastructure in China is Ok but in India it is deplorable
Believe me, both of them especially India have very very long way to go to catch with the USA if ever.
You don’t have any idea about what you are talking about.
I cannot log in.??

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By gerard, March 3, 2010 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

fscfarms:  Think for a minute.  How could millions of people “drop out” of the present socio-political system?  Practically speaking:  How many more men and women would be bankrupt in two weeks?  How many kids would be how much hungrier and more hopeless about the future?  How many more bankrupt school districts?  Hospitals?  How many more hopeless people would seek escape in drugs?  How many adults would have the sheer brash impractical nerve to move out of their present location—and go where?  Thousands of people are homeless now, sleeping in cars and on the street. 
  If you have specific practical directions for how this could be done, I feel you are obligated to share them for the benefit of others.

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By ofersince72, March 3, 2010 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

Now the mafiosi has taken over!!!!!

That might be better.

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By ronpaulfan, March 3, 2010 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

I have become a fed-up Democrat.  I am ready to support Nader, and prays that he runs for president instead of in Connecticut.

Democrats desperately need a third party now since the Democratic party has failed us, and become as beholden to corporate interests as the Republicans.

Sign me up!

I Already walked out on the two party system 3 years ago and I’m now a libertarian and pure constitutionalist

and believe the only third parties that will save us are the libertarian or constitution party

the left/right paradigm are part of the new world order.

TIME FOR IT TO COME CRASHING DOWN!

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

We should quit this now but it was good to use the italian after all these years,
sorry about the bad grammar.


By LJL, March 3 at 7:31 pm #

stcfarms, da verro, anch’io ebbi abitato la 40 anni fa. Ma avevo dimenticato
quasi tutto.  Ciao!

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

Timothy Leary had the answer but no one listened to him, he advised his
followers to drop out. If the people want to control the government they have
to quit using money. Drop out of the system and it will collapse. As long as
the taxpayers feed them they will continue to steal everything that is not
nailed down.


By gerard, March 3 at 6:16 pm #

What would “freak them out” would be millions of letters, phone calls, faxes
addressed at the top on specific issues so they can be easily tabulated, and
showing a minimum degree of courtesy and literacy.
Also visits and phone calls to local Congressional offices on a regular basis,
backed up by consistent organizing like-minded peoplle in groups at the local
level. 

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By LJL, March 3, 2010 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms, da verro, anch’io ebbi abitato la 40 anni fa. Ma avevo dimenticato quasi tutto.  Ciao!

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms, I spoke too soon.  You are hilarious.  40 years?!  Sei un il pi divertente
persona. Io godere quello sullo stesso livello di leggerezza tanto. Noi morire di
mattina ogni giorno.  Sorry, gerard, I couldn’t help myself.  This forum gets too
sober and can’t see the absurdity of life for the closeness of their solemnity.  Oh
where is Sartre, where is Camus, where is Kafka, where is Umberto Eco, or Italo
Calvino?

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

Threats?

By Shenonymous, March 3 at 7:05 pm #

It would take way too much money to bribe them, ahem…Congresspersons.
Do
they take anything else besides monetary-based bribes?

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Ci dispiace, non ho avuto la possibilità di utilizzare il mio italiano per 40 anni.

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

Clearly you are irked. Yes, the Italian thing is a bit quirky and is limited to only
a few initiates, but it was fun while it lasted and it inserted a gram of humor in
an otherwise humorless grim group of Leftist sourpusses.  I sure would not
want the world to be inherited by Them!  How dreary.  But then I wouldn’t want
the Right to inherit the world by default either!  What a dilemma!  I shall have to
consult my soothsayer. 

Other than that, Gerard, your notion of organization I think has much merit and
has been my experience as well.  There is magic in numbers.  I believe
avalanches of letters on particular topics can be effective. That is the passive
way of protesting.  Of course there is the active way, marches, gathered
protests, etc.  Flooding the talk shows could be another way, where certain
days at certain times certain topics would be put to the show hosts.  They
wouldn’t know what hit them.  Perhaps you could list a few specific issues.  I
won’t use my fax since the guvamint can trace it.  Not that I would say anything
insulting.  I’m trying to keep my fax machine a virgin.  Well, telling the
guvamint to do something against their grain might be thought of as insulting.
Some here don’t mind pissing in the wind, I just don’t have the time.  Urine in
the face has never appealed to me.  But I would send letters and emails if those
specific issues were articulated clearly, if, that is, a significant many are
desirable to be “effective.”  I am just about ready to start my Coffee Cupper C-
Shirt Campaign anyway and this would be just one more way of using my time
to,... uh,...yeah, oh dear,... piss in the wind. 

It would take way too much money to bribe them, ahem…Congresspersons. Do
they take anything else besides monetary-based bribes?

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

Perhaps you could just bribe congress to do the right thing, there is certainly
clear evidence that they can be bought.

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By LJL, March 3, 2010 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

Bravo, stcfarms, Lei puo scrivere italiano, ma ho scritto a Shenonymous.

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By ofersince72, March 3, 2010 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

I am not promoting that at all Gerard…
I still write and call.
so do thousands of others with the same concerns.

Has it worked?  no, no it hasn’t.
They know what we want.
I like you,  would love to see grass roots movements
I don’t believe as Ralph,  that do gooder
billionaires are going to initiate this.

I still support Nader,  I just don’t see that
happening.

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By gerard, March 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

Now that a couple Eye-talians seem to have found each other, let’s take it from there!

At present we’re talking a couple thousand or so letters, faxes, emails on a few issues, half of them not addressing any specific issue and many of them insulting.

What would “freak them out” would be millions of letters, phone calls, faxes addressed at the top on specific issues so they can be easily tabulated, and showing a minimum degree of courtesy and literacy.
Also visits and phone calls to local Congressional offices on a regular basis, backed up by consistent organizing like-minded peoplle in groups at the local level. 

Whether you “believe it” or not is beside the point.
When it is tried, it is more or less effective depending on the strength of numbers and quality.
The problem (and I know because Ive been there) is that people don’t like to organize if they can possibly avoid it. That’s due to a long history of “rugged individualism” which tends to keep people separated. Separation works in favor of chaos, which works in favor of authoritarianism by promoting fear and hopelessness. So ...

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

Stalin era un vecchio socialista a Mosca. Qual è la tua
punto?

By LJL, March 3 at 5:22 pm #

Per Shenonymous:  Brava, son’io mezz’italiano anche. Nono era un’ vecchio
socialista in Lombardia.  Stai cura. . . .

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By ofersince72, March 3, 2010 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

I disagree that Capitol Hill is worried about
phone calls , letters , or email or faxes.
They are immune to our concerns.

the 110th Congress is a good example of this.
The phones rang off the hook, the switchboards
overloaded., letters everyday.

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By LJL, March 3, 2010 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Per Shenonymous:  Brava, son’io mezz’italiano anche. Nono era un’ vecchio socialista in Lombardia.  Stai cura. . . .

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By Night-Gaunt, March 3, 2010 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Ummah (Arabic: ????) “is an Arabic word meaning “community” or “nation”. It is commonly used to mean either the collective nation of states, or (in the context of pan-Arabism) the whole Arab world. In the context of Islam, the word ummah is used to mean the diaspora or “Community of the Believers” (ummat al-mu’minin), and thus the whole Muslim world.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah

The act of picking the closest homophone to the word is certainly known in philology. “Gung Ho” is one, when children say the Pledge as “Oneashon under gog with library and justin for all” as an example.

I would add to that Firefly that as they say they are putting on the brakes they hit the accelerator as we go down. In order for the shadow oligarchs to get to rebuild the USA (or whatever they will call their new empire) the way they want. they had to infiltrate both official parties, which they helped to hermetically seal so that no other outside party has a chance in Hell to make it. You can’t beat a rigged system unless you end it or rerig it to benefit you. Balance the scales.

Another thing we need do, and I think is too late to be effective, is to join as many groups as possible together and settle on the things we can all agree with. Like our adversaries are. Only we can’t be ruthless like they are. Personally I see that their incrementalism is on going since 1980 and is near fruition. Once we have a full economic collapse, which we are still in threat of, they will make their final move. Them or chaos. Most will choose them to get back most of the world they remember. The rest will be hunted down in due course. The census will help a great deal with that. (See Civil War I.) Time is not on our side.

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By ofersince72, March 3, 2010 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

But what you can do…is throw their lies back
in their face….

to do this I have a suggestion that seems to
irritate them .....don’t use email…they delete
most of them..

get your self the C-Span directory and use the
fax…

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

I own a jack of all trades shop, we solve problems when folks like you throw
up their hands in despair. There are millions of jobs out there, I have to turn
down dozens of them every week. Your defense of drones indicates that you
are one, more is the pity. I would offer you a job but we already have a guy
that sweeps the floor…

My girlfreind’s print shop is working overtime as well but, alas, they have a
guy that sweeps the floor too. When you learn to think you will see the jobs
that are out there, I did not ship your job overseas, your leaders did (with your
help).

By truedigger3, March 3 at 3:20 pm #

Stcfarm wrote:
“There are millions of jobs out there for people that can think but there are
very few jobs out there for corporate drones.”
____________________________________________________

For years we have been heaing that pure bullshit.
It was devised to defend offshoring of millions of jobs. Yes, we will give the
shitty jobs to rest of the world and we keep the jobs of the “new economy”.
Yes, the new economy created many “thinking jobs”, but not in the millions
but in the tens of thousands that is all.
Most of the people are wired to be “drones”, and that is everywhere, and most
businesses need drones.
Do you own an advetising agency or a research lab?
Can you tell us what are those “millions” of job that require “people who
think”???!!

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By ofersince72, March 3, 2010 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

About the letter writing, especially to Capitol Hill

I don’t believe they get scared at all from
thousands of letters, disagree with Nader on that.
I believe we are well passed them worrying about
letters, email, or phone calls.

After the 2006 Democrat takeover, Capitol Hill was
recieving thousands every day, most were set in their
answers.  At that time most of the concern was the
Iraq war and the Bush Admin lawlessness. For the
whole of the 110th Congress their lines were busy,
busy, busy.

Their answer, divert attention from the topic that
the citizens were bothering them about.  It was
the same night that Pelosi and Reid took additional
funding for the wars to the White House, that they
came back with the attention diverting immigration
bill,  talk of the illegal war and its funding
came to a standstill and for the next year the media
focused on all the those Mexicans that come and
steal our janitorial jobs, picking apple jobs
or tomatoes, or cleaning houses .  It turned into
a year of demonizing Mexicans.
Don’t kid yourself, Nader or others, they don’t
give a rats doo doo about our phone calls.

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By firefly, March 3, 2010 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

A Belgian financier recently said that it is the system that is forcing events forward. He described it as a car going downhil without brakes and all that keeps happening is that we change the driver. The fact is, it will take something huge to stop that car, something much bigger than it. i.e. another massive financial crash, climate change or a revolution, but simply voting in a different president every four years isn’t going to change a thing. This system (like the car) has it’s own momentum and is much bigger than any single president can turn around.

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

Empires pass through many stages during their rise and fall. These stages
have been documented for millennia and, since all of the previous empires
have gone down in flames, it would be ignorant to assume that the present
empire will be any different. Closing your mind to the obvious will not change
the facts, it will just make the truth harder to swallow when it comes home to
roost. Open your eyes and resist the propaganda.

  Where is this immense wealth that you speak of? Do you intend to use the
military power to force the Chinese to return the trillions of dollars that we
have shipped to them for decades? The Chinese own you lock, stock and barrel
and they will be the next empire whether you like it or not.

  The Dutch, Danish and the Chinese lead the world in renewable resources
and Chinese industry is modernizing at a phenomenal rate even as ours
declines. India will be the other nation that will rise to fill the vacuum created
by the fall of the US empire. The United States will just be a marginal player on
the world stage.

By truedigger3, March 3 at 2:56 pm #

Stcfarms wrote:
“History shows that we are at the end of our empire period..”
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On what basis did you reach such completely misinformed statement. Who are
the new rising star?
Please don’t tell me it is China, because China has a very very long way to go,
if ever, to catch up with the immense wealth and military power of the USA.
The problems of environmental degradation, shrinking reources, corruption
and the declining of living standards are aslo facing the the rest of the world
and the USA are in much better position and has better options to tackle these
problems much better than any other country in the world.

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By Amon Drool, March 3, 2010 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

Gerard: “If all the people on this string had written these comments to their reps and sens or to a local newspaper editor, or to the President, it might have done some good.”

very pollyannish stuff.  a few on this thread have emphasized the need for a change in democratic design.  the repubs and (most) dems realize they have a lock on this political system and are not willing to change it.  do we really need a senate with its 6 year terms and its giving disproportionate power to the smaller states?  it’s we the people, not we the states.  fold the senate into the house and have a more responsive legislative body.  do u really think writing a letter to the President would do some good after his afghan escalation and his okaying of bailouts to the banksters?  earthian’s post on this thread, to my mind, best represents the political direction we should be going in, altho i do believe it would be prudent for most to have some kind of a ‘survivalist’ option to deal with the coming times.

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By gerard, March 3, 2010 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

If all the people on this string had written these comments to their reps and sens or to a local newspaper editor, or to the President, it might have done some good.

Hope all of you heard Nader on “Democracy Now” yesterday.  He’s still pleading for local grassroots organization.  Memorable quote:  A few hundred letters freaks them out.”  He should know.

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By truedigger3, March 3, 2010 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

Stcfarm wrote:
“There are millions of jobs out there for people that can think but there are very few jobs out there for corporate drones.”
____________________________________________________

For years we have been heaing that pure bullshit.
It was devised to defend offshoring of millions of jobs. Yes, we will give the shitty jobs to rest of the world and we keep the jobs of the “new economy”.
Yes, the new economy created many “thinking jobs”, but not in the millions but in the tens of thousands that is all.
Most of the people are wired to be “drones”, and that is everywhere, and most businesses need drones.
Do you own an advetising agency or a research lab?
Can you tell us what are those “millions” of job that require “people who think”???!!

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By truedigger3, March 3, 2010 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Stcfarms wrote:
“History shows that we are at the end of our empire period..”
_____________________________________________________

On what basis did you reach such completely misinformed statement. Who are the new rising star?
Please don’t tell me it is China, because China has a very very long way to go, if ever, to catch up with the immense wealth and military power of the USA.
The problems of environmental degradation, shrinking reources, corruption and the declining of living standards are aslo facing the the rest of the world and the USA are in much better position and has better options to tackle these problems much better than any other country in the world.

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By Mary Sparrowdancer, March 3, 2010 at 10:53 am Link to this comment
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The Democratic party was taken over by Communists in the early 1900s, and according to their minutes one of the first things they planned to do was get rid of the Constitution.
http://www.rense.com/general88/uscom.htm

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By Anarcissie, March 3, 2010 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

drb48—I think there are a lot of leftists, people of Left sympathies and sensibilities, around, including young people.  However, I think the Democratic Party has been much more effective at sabotaging and subverting leftist groups than their Republican counterparts have been with rightists, who are currently running wild in Tea Parties.  It’s telling, I think, that no major demonstrations against Obama’s war in Afpak are planned except by ANSWER, who will be easy to isolate.  The first thing leftists need to do is to reduce the influence of the Democratic Party and other agents of GovCorp in their midst.

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By BuffaloSoldier, March 3, 2010 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

National Socialism is just a few votes away… and guess what, the votes are all locked up.  Look for challenges and changes to what we have come to know as the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.  It is no longer a matter of liberals and conservatives.  It is a matter of we the people, and those who want to control us in every aspect of our lives.

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By smkair, March 3, 2010 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

While I agree with basically everything that Chris Hedges states in this article, I fear that we have already passed from a “democracy to a totalitarian corporate state”.  When I tell my right wing friends that I am a socialist, they are appalled; when I tell my liberal friends that I am a socialist, they just laugh at me. I have voted for both Nadar and Kucinich for president and neither side of the political divide could care less.  Fundamental problems that impede democracy in the U.S. is the structure of the Senate and the Electoral College.  The Congress of the United States cannot represent the people when the Senate is necessarily inhabited by multi-millionares not remotely related in socio-economic conditions to those they supposedly represent.  As long as the most sparsely populated states are allowed to run the Senate by electing neo-fascist reactionaries, there is no hope for political progress in lawmaking.  Likewise, the structure of the electoral college guarantees that the least populated states carry disporportionate weight in electing the president.  Without proportionate representation in Congress, third parties do not stand a chance, which is why voting for a third-party candidate, aside from making one feel good temporarily, has zero impact on the political class.  When the right can call Obama a socialist and the ignorant masses of this country believe them, it is difficult to see the ray of hope at the end of the tunnel.

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

Ha ha, it is more prevalent than you may think. While vacationing in the great
smoky mountains a cop pulled us over to inform us that we “left our lice and
plates at the asshole station” He finally had to show us the missing license
plate and drew an ESSO logo in the dirt and we realized that our license plate
was at the ESSO station where we had filled up.


By LJL, March 3 at 1:59 pm #

Thanks, Shenonymous, for the Ummaobamatron explanation.
My imperfect knowledge of languages is embarrassing to me.  Once, while
wandering the streets of Siracusa, Sicily some kids shouted, “Sunf’beesh”.  I
confidently translated for my wife, “It’s Turkish,”  I said, “about five
something.”  My wife, “Don’t be an idiot, they’re saying, “son of a bitch.”  BTW,
I enjoy you’re postings.

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

LJL you made me laugh myself off my computer throne.  Still heeheeing about it. 
Sunf’beesh is something my Gramma was famous for in The Family.  ‘Specially
when she was angry with Granpap.  She would run after him with a wooden spoon
repeating sunf’fbeesh 5 or 6 times.  He would run like hell.  He was a Calabreze
blacksmith extraordinare but no match for that 4’ 8” Sicilian of a wife.  Well, they
had 10 kids (like good Catholics) together.  It is so funny, or coincidental, that I
am talking about this very same subject on another TD forum?  It must be the
phase of the moon.

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By LJL, March 3, 2010 at 9:59 am Link to this comment

Thanks, Shenonymous, for the Ummaobamatron explanation.
My imperfect knowledge of languages is embarrassing to me.  Once, while wandering the streets of Siracusa, Sicily some kids shouted, “Sunf’beesh”.  I confidently translated for my wife, “It’s Turkish,”  I said, “about five something.”  My wife, “Don’t be an idiot, they’re saying, “son of a bitch.”  BTW, I enjoy you’re postings.

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

I did not say that the empire is in decline due to decadence, that was the
Roman path. Our empire will likely fade away since, like the Brits, we have
made our currency the world standard. Too many countries use the dollar to
let us fail completely so they will just divest rather than invade. As an
employer I can assure you that our young folks are just too dull witted to take
over the reins of the empire. There are still bright people in the younger
generations but they have very little wisdom since higher education will not
teach conceptual thought. When I tell an older employee what I want done they
just do it, when I tell a younger employee what I want done it takes longer to
explain it to them than it takes to do it myself. There are millions of jobs out
there for people that can think but there are very few jobs out there for
corporate drones.

By Shenonymous, March 3 at 1:06 pm #

I do not think it is true that this country and its political force will “just fade
away.”  There isn’t any evidence it is on the border of that.  The decadence is
exaggerated and is only within the echelons of the powerstructure not within
the ranks of ordinary people.  There is always a new generation that is in the
making overlapping current ones the produce new energy and moral ideas
always float to the top more like creme rather than the crappy debauchery that
aging generations commonly drip into

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By drb48, March 3, 2010 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

The only quibble I have with this article is that Chris - as he often does - paints “the left” with a brush more appropriately applied to Democratic party.  Particularly the corporate-dominated element of the Democratic party represented by the Clintons and Obama.  As a 61-yr old member of the actual “left” since my anti-Vietnam War days, who has been a registered member of the Green Party since 1996 - and who voted for Nader twice - I’m plenty goddamn angry.  And have been for decades.  Unfortunately, when it comes time to vote there’s me and 100 other guys.  Which doesn’t even register in the noise level much less induce fear in the hearts of the coporatist Dems.  And I don’t anticipate that changing anytime soon.  Our problem is that the numbers of the actual “left” in the US is pitifully small.  And most of those are 60’s holdovers like myself - a demographically dwindling number. I’m not planning to go quietly but I’m not hopeful that what we failed to accomplish with vaster more numbers 40 years ago is going to get done with far fewer today.

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By mike brand, March 3, 2010 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
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Thank you for this article. As the following brief statement, which I wrote before the election, shows, I agree.

The Elections: Some predictions and discussion.

First Prediction: It is very likely that either Barack Obama or John McCain will be elected president of the United States this November.

Second Prediction: It is virtually certain that the following will occur, whoever gets elected:
1.Homelessness will continue to increase.
2.The polarity between wealth and poverty will grow. There will be more poor and fewer very rich people in the US and the world. The very wealthy will retain political power.
3.US military bases will remain in more than 100 countries other than the US including in Iraq. 
4.Many Americans will continue to be without health insurance and adequate care. Health insurance companies will grow richer.

The list could go on but I think the point is clear: Whoever becomes president, we are in a difficult position. That poverty is an issue that both the Republican and the Democratic candidate barely talk about is proof that these parties and their candidates represent corporate power.

We need something new. In particular, we need a political party within which we can carry on the fight past November. Cynthia McKinney from the Green Party is trying to form such a party. She is progressive, honest and intelligent. I support her. Many decent progressive people also respect her. They fear McCain and feel compelled to support Obama. I share their fear. McCain is indeed a dangerous reactionary. His running mate is even to his right. We are caught between the proverbial rock and hard place. Honest, progressive people will disagree about what should be done. Many of my close friends and family members support Obama. I understand and sympathize but it seems to me that supporting McKinney positions us best to keep on fighting past November.

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 9:06 am Link to this comment

Greens as described here is a very strange mix of ultra-conservative values
such as decentralization, community-based economics, with those of classic
liberal values such as respect for diversity, gender equity, responsibility and
future focus.  Except all these slogan issues are ambiguous, purposely I can see
so that no one really understands what it is they are getting into. It is a shade
of libertarianism and reaches a hue of the anarchistic.  And, as history would
show, new parties are always forming by the disaffected, there is a new
proposed party on the horizon, The Coffee Party, that begs a civil union of
conservative and liberal ideals.  All these fringe parties only dilute the strength
of politics which is a unified voice to proceed with a strong agenda that is truly
caring of the American population.  UmmaDemocrat and I intend to work within
the party to be responsive to the needs of this diverse population.  I propose
that a counter to Teabaggers is coffee, because psychologically it would
capture the imagination of the public, however more as a pressure group than
as a new party that would percolate change.  I encourage those who wish to
remain on the fringe under the delusion they will affect any real change to join
one of the edgy groups.  It is not that the Greens don’t have legitimate
concerns, the earth does need protected from the pathological greed and self-
indulgence of the corporate world.  But don’t delude yourself, it not only will
not be quick, it will not be at all except as sideline ranting and cheering.

I do not think it is true that this country and its political force will “just fade
away.”  There isn’t any evidence it is on the border of that.  The decadence is
exaggerated and is only within the echelons of the powerstructure not within
the ranks of ordinary people.  There is always a new generation that is in the
making overlapping current ones the produce new energy and moral ideas
always float to the top more like creme rather than the crappy debauchery that
aging generations commonly drip into

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By jay1953, March 3, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

Like the old cliche says, “a picture is worth a thousand words”.

Transporte Escolar Bolivariano.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4246608629_28a61871ef.jpg

Anyone who defends Chavez, the let me pretend socialist, is ignorant. Chavez is a fraud.

DOWN WITH CHAVEZ!

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

History shows that we are at the end of our empire period and that there are a
few possible outcomes. 1. We could be divided up by our enemies (Nazis,
Ottomans et cetera). 2. We could fade away (British, Toltec et cetera) or 3. We
could implode (Roman, Soviet, Persian et cetera). As it appears right now we
will follow the British scenario and just fade away. No one can say for sure due
to the almost infinite variables involved, it is, at best, just an educated guess.


By John Ellis, March 1 at 11:12 pm #

stcFarms:
“The masses have been dumbed down to the point where they
are incapable of conceptual thought and it will take generations
to create an electorate that is capable of choosing an honest leader.”

Very true, so what will happen next?

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By Dave Schwab, March 3, 2010 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Earthianguy, I agree with most of what you’re saying. I doubt the Democrats will undertake democratic reform on their own - in the cities where instant runoff voting has passed, the driving force has almost always been the Green Party or similar groups like the Vermont Progressives. So for now, I think our energy is best focused on building the Green Party into a force that the other parties will have to compromise with. Green candidates should always incorporate electoral reform into their message, so that voters understand our vision of a more democratic, multiparty future.

Some people here apparently don’t understand the significance of “Green” with a capital G. Green Parties around the world share a commitment to grassroots democracy, social justice, nonviolence, and ecological wisdom. The US Greens’ ten key values add to that list decentralization, community-based economics, respect for diversity, gender equity, responsibility, and future focus. In addition, Greens pledge to refuse corporate money, so they can be accountable only to voters and the public good. Educate yourself at http://gp.org

I welcome anyone who agrees with Green Party values to get active with the party and help us really change things. It won’t be quick, but working towards what you truly believe in will give you energy for the long haul.

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By Mark Weaver, March 3, 2010 at 7:21 am Link to this comment
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Florida internet radio host Mark Weaver was also right about Obama. On July 20, 2008, a month before the Dem convention, Weaver did a prophetic show counting down “the top 16 reasons to oppose the nomination of Obama” and urged listeners to draft Russ Feingold (or another) and stage protests against any Obama/Clinton candidacy.

You can hear it in the archive. In the right hand column go to 2008 > July > and click on the July 20th show.

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By elisalouisa, March 3, 2010 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

Tennessee Socialist: Let’s add Ernesto “Che” Guevara to your list.

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By gerarlam, March 3, 2010 at 6:38 am Link to this comment
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Barack Obama is the worst deception of all times in America. Now, where is America heading for?
A man we had put so much hope into is betraying his supporters like no one has done before.
A french commentator was saying that Obama was the man Wall Street wanted to have as president.
When I saw with whom he surroundered himself and his doings, I realize that this was the truth; I could not believe my eyes.
I am glad I am not living in your country. The politics is worse in the Unites States than in Canada, even with our Stephen Harper.

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By ahem, March 3, 2010 at 5:45 am Link to this comment
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No deep thinkers in this crowd.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 3, 2010 at 5:07 am Link to this comment

Let’s stop playing the Republican-type propaganda game.  I don’t think Ralph Nader cost Al Gore the election. Gore did it pretty much by himself.  So let’s cut that fairy tale out of the picture.  Had Gore won his home state of Tennessee or won Florida by 100,000 votes, or some other states, there’d be no thread at all.

But, when Gore had clearly shot himself in the foot in SO many ways, there was STILL a chance to prevent Bush/Cheney’s neo-fascist cabal, and that chance rested in Ralph Nader’s hands—and he chose not to take it.

Had Gore won 100’s of thousands of people that are dead today would still be alive in Iraq.  We might well not be in nearly the financial fix we are in (due in large part to the annual draining 1/4 of a trillion dollars out of the credit system to pay for the deficit in the Federal budget) and Barack Obama, were he President, would not be in the bind he’s in that’s getting him attacks from both the Right and the Left.

No, Nader was wrong and I don’t owe him a damn thing.  McKinney is even wronger.

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By Caro, March 3, 2010 at 3:36 am Link to this comment

>>We owe Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney an apology.

Speak for yourself, Chris. I didn’t vote for Nader, but
I voted for Cynthia McKinney in 2008.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

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By ardee, March 3, 2010 at 3:32 am Link to this comment

Hal Summers, March 3 at 12:54 am

You might try harder, study longer and think better. Perhaps you might read Nader’s position papers and platform and tell me what about them do you find disagreeable. Or are you, in the ned, just another lemming, told that Nader cost Gore the election and repeating it rather than doing the harder task of actually thinking things through?

This stupidity, that Nader’s entering a race , the very bedrock of our democratic system in fact, was wrong is the essence of moronic and mouth breathing ignorance.

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By truedigger3, March 3, 2010 at 2:53 am Link to this comment

Re: By Robert, March 3 at 12:06 am

Robert wrote:

“Americans will step out of the morass if we move beyond the elected cronies and VOTE THE BUMS OUT! The Tea Party movement, regardless of Beckospasm dogma, is just a manifestation of this frustration—it is not racist driven or necessarily anti-liberal.”
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I beg to disagree.
The leadership of the tea party is beholden to the corporate/banking elite and will channel that loyalty through the Rupublican party this time.
The leadership of the tea party are doing from the right what Obama did from the left which to capitalise on the public frustration, anger and a desire for change to reach power then serve the REAL masters behind the curtain who are the corporate and banking elite. IT IS THE PERENIAL BEAT AND SWITCH.
The tea party leadership are using the current dire economic situation, bail-outs/health care fiasco, Obama alleged socialism and yes, latent racism to whip the naive “rank and file” into frenzy. They say Obama is a “socialist”???! ha ha and that is a real joke.
I agree with you about CAP/TRADE for CO2. It will only enrich Wall St. speculators and do nothing for the environment/global warming but to harm it more.

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 1:54 am Link to this comment

Naw LJL, UmmaObamatron is a pun.  Someone on this forum called
Democrats who support Obama Obamatrons and I am appropriating it.  Umma
is a neologism for “I am a.”  It is nothing more sinister than that!  I had made a
funny with a friend the other day of taking “ummmmbrage” at some comments
about the Democrats and Umma just emerged.  There is a story about a Texan
with the last name of Hogg who many years ago had a set of daughters and
named them Ima and Youra (now I don’t know if that is true or not, but it was a
joke going around).  I have no knowledge of Arabic.  I do my best with da
Engrish langridge with a little Greek, Italian, German, French and Latin thrown
in now and then, just to be cute, you know.  There is very little humor on these
forums.  Leefeller is the only resident comic with a razor bite, when he shows
up.  Like I sure don’t want clown steaks f’dinnah!  I have a high appreciation for
humor.  Life is way too serious.

I see the screeching is ratcheting up on this forum!  Peals of laughter can be
heard outta UmmaObamatron.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.  Hugo Chavez doesn’t have
the class of an Elmer Gantry.  He is a maniacal tyrant who once in power has
become intoxicated with it.  That is the way with all Socialist Programs.  At
least so far in human history.  Nader and Sheehan are nowhere near having any
power.

But I too miss he who called me the best of names, Folktruther.  We’ve had lots
of fun dissing each other.

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By cabdriver, March 3, 2010 at 12:33 am Link to this comment
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Once again, may I remind everyone: the present two-party system is rigged.

Debugging it and unrigging it is a precondition for any successful political party movement in this country.

Two-choice, instant runoff voting: who you really want on the first line; the old lesser of two evils backup plan on the second line. And you can pick the same candidate twice.

No multiply marked ballots and algorithms: each voter is allowed a first and second choice.

Viable third-party political movements require the means to assess their appeal at the ballot box. The present system does not allow that.

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By kbarton, March 2, 2010 at 11:24 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you for Chris Hedges’ vivid article,  which advocates bolting from the Dems to the Greens.  However, there are problems with the Greens, too.  One assumes that as soon as the Greens gain influence, they will be subjected to the same corrupting influences of money and power that has seduced the main parties, who have, incidentally, perfected the game of good cop-bad cop to extract the maximum loot from the electorate.

Even so, I might suggest that the problem is deeper than Chris Hedges allows.  I would trace the problem to the US Constitution itself, which was designed to limit democratic participation and to constrain government actions through the over-rated system of “checks and balances,” which presumes that human nature is easily corrupted and tends toward tyranny.  This assessment may be correct, but the system of “checks and balances” essentially hamstrings the federal government without doing enough to moderate tyranny [remember slavery was a flagrant form of tyranny, and Jim Crow was not much better], particularly in what is essentially a “one-party system with two right wings” [per Nader]. 

I would also suggest, against Hedges, that another intrinsic factor is the inherent nature of intellectual activity, which strives for impartial analysis and objectivity.  This requires intellectuals to put their emotions on the back-burner. That’s what all intellectuals do in their respective fields of study: they focus, they stay present, they avoid hyperbole.

It is ontologically difficult to translate intellectual analysis into political passion that arouses and inspires the common citizen.  Extremists have all the advantages in that game, which is why we had the American Revolution to start with.  Incendiary rhetoric is contagious, while cool dispassion is a turn-off in times of trouble—and incendiary rhetoric often leads to trouble, whether it is Adolph Hitler, Karl Marx, or Rush Limbaugh speaking.

It is also possible that democracy in any form, is a flawed concept.  Even in aristocratic democracies like Athens, it was easy to incite people into self-destructive warfare.  So where does that leave us?  With Plato’s Republic?  With Thomas Hobbs?  With the Prussian state?  Of course, the European monarchies had plenty of wars, too, and the (pseudo-)Socialists had their purges, so there seems to be a common theme throughout history: paranoia leads to immolation and carnage.  [H’mmm, sounds a bit like Zionism….]

The secular assumption is that human nature is good while society is flawed.  Christians, conversely, tend to be dubious about both the individual and the collective manifestations of our species.  Even the most optimistic Christians, the early Quakers, were resigned to martyrdom and suffering for the Seed of Truth. The American experiment in democracy was in large measure due to the Quaker witness and influence in England and in the American colonies during the 17th and 18th Centuries; yet the Quaker influence was not sufficient to avert the Revolutionary War nor much of anything subsequent to 1800. [Possibly women’s suffrage could be attributed to Quaker values and influences.  Perhaps some of Nixon’s social policies had a Quaker core to them: his progressive Amer-Indian policy, the price freeze, an open door to China.]  By 1800, democracy had gained the upper hand, and the Seed of Truth was left in the rear view mirror, and often in the mud.

  So if there is any virtue in this brief analysis of history and poli-sci, it is that Chris Hedges is right: it will take a long time in the wilderness before a new and worthy political party wields influence in this over-grown and under-developed country of ours. [“Levianthan” seems an apt descriptor of our situation.]  Meanwhile, I support progressive candidates wherever I can find them, whether Green or Dem, because apathy is not a realistic option.

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By SooooFedUp, March 2, 2010 at 11:11 pm Link to this comment

LIBERALS ARE IN SHOCK: 

Chris Hedges correctly observes that “Liberals, unlike the right wing, are emotionally disabled.  They appear not to feel.” He doesn’t say why, but this is what I think:

Thanks to Naomi Klein and The Shock Doctrine, it is clear to me that LIBERALS ARE IN SHOCK.  We worked in a frenzy during the assault of the Bush administration on our very sanity, with their BLATANT LIES, BLATANT CORRUPTION, BLATANTLY ILLEGAL WARS, BLATANT CITIZEN SURVEILLANCE, BLATANT ARRESTS OF PROTESTERS, BLATANT TORTURE, BLATANT DISSOLUTION OF OUR DEMOCRACY, BLATANT THEFT OF OUR NATIONAL TREASURE/OUR TAXES ... WHILE GEORGE W. BUSH CALLED US “FOCUS GROUPS.”  We batted back at the flood of assaults on our civil liberties, social justice, an illegal war, against support for Israeli apartheid and mass murder of Palestinians, against depleted uranium, against the lies, AGAINST TWO STOLEN ELECTIONS, AND AGAINST THE DEATHS OF OVER ONE MILLION INNOCENT IRAQIS, THE MOST HEINOUS MASS-MURDER-FOR-PROFIT SINCE THE HOLOCAUST. 

But, unlike the protests against the Viet Nam war, NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING shamed those bastards of the Bush/Cheney Mafia.

ALL WHILE THE DEMOCRATS REMAINED ‘F-ING SILENT. NOTHING stirred congressional Democrats, save a few like Dennis Kucinich, to speak up! Bush/ Cheney’s crimes made us outraged and driven to action… but it was the Democrats’ REFUSAL TO IMPEACH IN 2006, when they had the power to do so, THAT DROVE US OVER THE EDGE OF OUR SANITY, INTO SHEER EXHAUSTION. It was the Democrats, including Barack Obama, who gave the telecoms A PASS on prosecution for illegal surveillance and violation of the FISA LAWS, and their REFUSAL TO IMPEACH BUSH for CRIMES HE NOT ONLY ADMITTED TO, but laughed in our and congress’ faces.  The shock is that any of us are still SANE.

THE FINAL SHOCK came when Barack Obama was elected by those who not only wanted accountability, but wanted radical, unapologetic change - a complete about face.  Change that reflected the sanctity of human LIFE.  Change that would END THE SUFFERING of the American People and the world at the hands of corporate predators, led by Bush/Cheney.  Change that would lift us out of the collective humiliation imposed on us by the Bush/Cheney Mafia. Change that would restore our democracy, long ago plundered by the war profiteers and the corporate FASCISTS.

As Chris Hedges says, “None of this happened.”

WE’RE IN SHOCK, CHRIS.  WE ARE EXHAUSTED.  WE ARE STUNNED.  WE ARE DESPONDENT.  SOME OF US FEEL HOPELESS AGAINST THE SECRET GOVERNMENT THAT HAS STOLEN IT ALL AND MILLIONS OF LIVES. 

I, myself, have often said that The Green Party, whose Platform, has been consistent for years, and which reflects what most of us liberals have always believed in, is in the perfect position to receive all of us who are SOOOOOOOO FED UP.  Thank you, Chris for affirming that for me.

I hope the Green Party is ready for us, because I JUST CHANGED MY VOTER REGISTRATION TO GREEN PARTY.

WHO’S WITH ME???  NO MORE FEAR!

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By Sean, March 2, 2010 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment
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“The left stands for nothing.”  How would you know?  We have yet to see a real Leftist if office.  Who would it be?  Clinton?  Obama?  These supporters of the corporatist regime do not even close…

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By ofersince72, March 2, 2010 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

Hey Ralph,,

You hearing all destruction you’re responsible for??
Go figure you are to blame..
I guess I am responsible too since I voted for you..

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By elisalouisa, March 2, 2010 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

I also miss FolkTruther ITW. The way you put it “come back to haunt me,” I hope
he’s still around.

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By Lushpalms, March 2, 2010 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment
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If you eat and realise your dish is badly prepared and then tell all and sundry
that it is a bad dish.  You roll up your sleeves for all and sundry to see, while
proclaiming change is at hand and then rally support from all and sundry to
help cooking a better dish.

Are the beholders not also to blame, when right under their noses the new
cook goes about proclaiming a change while using exactly the same old
recipe!!!?

Where are, for example, the structural change the president announced to be
so necessary for Wall Street?

Silly people, where is any of the change in anything promised?

Or did the president just prove that all one need is to be fully conditioned by
ivy-league higher learning - irrespective of skin-colour - you can be harbour
equally indifferent political values.

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By Ethan Allen, March 2, 2010 at 9:30 pm Link to this comment
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“The tea-party protesters, ...the veterans signing up for Oath Keepers and the myriad of armed patriot groups have swept into their ranks legions of disenfranchised workers, angry libertarians, John Birchers and many who, until now, were never politically active. They articulate a legitimate rage. Yet liberals continue to speak in the bloodless language of issues and policies, and leave emotion and anger to the protofascists.”
PROTOFASCISTS?  Obama is a fascist like his predecessor Bush. Barry has increased the total number of military and military subcontractors in the illegal Mid East Wars and just signed to extend the Patriot Act with no restrictions.
As long as Chris Hedges and others are manipulated by the false Left-Right paradigm we will continue to be transformed into a police state. 
The Oath Keepers, for example, exist to ensure that our military will NEVER vioalte their oath to the Constitution and obey any illegal orders, esp. any orders to turn their guns on US citizens!
WAKE UP - See The Obama Deception by Alex Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

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By Inherit The Wind, March 2, 2010 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

T-S:

I’d say you were FolkTruther come back to haunt me, but you haven’t a tenth of his brains or wit.  I actually miss him…at least his insults had style.

Read up on Hugo Chavez.  He’s a fraud who has fooled you Socialist fools into thinking he’s one of you. Don’t read Fox for this. But don’t read the apologist sites either.  He’s Tartuffe, he’s Elmer Gantry.  He’s robbing his country and he’s creating poverty faster than even George W. Bush did (amazingly).

BTW, I’ve been here years longer than you and I’ll be here after you move on.

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By Hal Summers, March 2, 2010 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment
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When I look at the terrible state of this country and the world I primarily place
the blame on three people: George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Ralph Nader. 
Bush and Cheney destroyed our country due to belief in a misguided political
philosophy.  Nader did for the same plus a large dose of his colossal ego.

Mr. Nader is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans and the
suffering of millions more.  He bears responsibility for all that followed the
election of Bush in 2000, destruction of the environment, deregulation of
numerous businesses, dismantling of protections of the men, women and
children of this country.  And yet, to this day, he refuses to admit that there
would have been any difference in the world today if Al Gore were in the White
House instead of Bush.  It’s unconscionable. 

Nader continues to be an enemy of all Americans.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 2, 2010 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

LONG LIVE THE BOLIVARIAN-REVOLUTION !!

LONG LIVE HUGO CHAVEZ !!

LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE OF HAITI !!

LONG LIVE WORKING-CLASS INTERNATIONALISM !!

AND TO HELL WITH THE US MIDDLE CLASS !!

Watch this speech by Larry Holmes about Obamas first year in power, and the end of the satanic capitalist system !!

http://jeffersonian-anti-israel-socialists.blogspot.com/2010/02/watch-this-video-by-comrade-larry.html


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By Robert, March 2, 2010 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment
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The consistent, true left and right have a similar sense of disillusionment and frustration today.  It is the paradigm of the Home Team versus the Away Team that perpetuates the status quo and serves to worsen or current situation. The very issues that the left abhors—the War State, large corporate and banking elitist control, the stifling of civil liberties, etc.—is also antithesis to the right’s core beliefs.  Folks, we are dealing with two heads on the same snake.  Americans will step out of the morass if we move beyond the elected cronies and VOTE THE BUMS OUT! The Tea Party movement, regardless of Beckospasm dogma, is just a manifestation of this frustration—it is not racist driven or necessarily anti-liberal.  There’s a gut feeling that something is terribly wrong and people are expressing this in protest—which every liberal/liberty minded person can empathize with….  It is our right as Americans.  Getting beyond the current political controls is key.  Regarding the “green” agenda, I’d encourage the left to be wary: Cap & Trade (CO2 regulation) is fraught with corporate and banking schemes (a la proposed InsuranceCare) that will leave any Naderite blushing.  Personally, I’d like to conserve a pristine environment responsibly without benefiting tyrannical Big Business—um, and Big Government.

Peace

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 2, 2010 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

Dear socialist friends, we have a far-right wing libertarian in this site, or a Reagan-Democrat (Obama-tron), no wonder USA is doomed.  He says Chavez is a dictator, hahaha.  If Chavez is a dictator, then Obama and all US Presidents are satan.  I give up in trying to educate the american brainwashed masses !!!!

CHAVEZ IS GOOD !!! SOCIALISM IS GOOD !! CAPITALISM, US GOVERNMENT AND ISRA-HELL ARE EVIL !!!

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By hanktx, March 2, 2010 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment
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Good main point!  I hate to nit pick, but you neglected to credit the makers of ‘Obama Deception’, the very well known movie, available on the internet. It was mostly made before the swearing in. It makes excellent points, the chief being that the left-right paradigm is being used successfully to distract us from the real crimes.  They become obvious when that veil is lifted. You guys are slow, but congratulations on getting it now. Also you may now be ready for its sequel ‘Fall of the Republic.’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU
I also advise you pay more heed to Cynthia Mckinney and her message about 9/11. 
PS beware the global warming hoax.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5576670191369613647#

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By elisalouisa, March 2, 2010 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

By ardee, March 1 at 9:36 am #
“Let us not forget that it was Mr. Hedges who, for several years, steadfastly
claimed that Iraq, GITMO, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Patriot Act, enhanced
interrogations and Domestic Surveillance, for example, were all sure signs that a
“Neo-Con fascist Cabal” hijacked the White House. “
It was and it did.
I have to pick up on this also Ardee. That is true. The middle/working class had
their government stolen. We elected Obama to get our government back. Little
did we know that it would be business as usual after he was elected. That is why
apathy pervades the country. People know something is rotten in Denmark.

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Tennessee-Socialist, March 2 at 10:38 pm #

By JohannG, March 2 at 8:58 pm #

Yeah but i don’t understand why there is a hatred and bias in America against Hugo Chavez,  Ralph Nader and Cindy Sheehan, and why there is so much support for Killary Clinton, The Bush Crime Family and in favor of psychopaths such as Glenn Beck
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Your weird ignorance is a real head-scratcher. Why would ANYONE group Hugo Chavez with Ralph Nader and Cindy Sheehan.  Chavez is an incompetent crooked dictator who is managing to bankrupt a nation that should be ROLLING in oil wealth, while enriching himself and family members.  Ralph Nader is an effective gadfly and an ineffective politician.  Cindy Sheehan is a lady who lost her son to an illegal war and decided to do something about it.

Now why you group Hillary Clinton, who was FAR more socialist than her husband with Georgie Bush, a dangerous incompetent with Glenn Beck, a loud mouthpiece for a fascist movement that DETESTS Bush?

Oh: I forgot.  T-S HATES Democracy and wants a strong-man to run the US as a pretend-Socialist state, just like Chavez.  Aren’t we bankrupt enough?

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By Inherit The Wind, March 2, 2010 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

What amazes me is that nobody has learned the lessons of the Right.

When was there last a successful 3rd party? 1968! When George Wallace grabbed a whole lot of electoral votes and sank Hubert Humphrey, the GOP went and ABSORBED those Wallace voters.

So what’s the lesson?  You have to build a third party yourself and if you get a big enough base, you can swing one or the other party to you.  The Democratic Party changed in 1896 when it absorbed the Populist Party and became less the party of rich Southern farmers and NYC Tammany bosses.

In 1978, fanatical “Christian” right-wingers decided to contest EVERY election from podunk school boards to the Presidency, to get their idiot agenda of anti-abortion, anti-science, anti-“women’s lib” and anti-non-Christians across.  They helped put Reagan and Bush I and II in the White House and now DOMINATE the GOP.

The lesson? Grass roots is what works, not sending Ralph Nader on TV to yell about what the national leaders are doing wrong.  I don’t care if he’s right or wrong—it’s a loser’s way of doing things.

The tactics of the Right have been VERY effective for taking control of a once-moderate GOP and with it, much of the nation.

You don’t have to be a reactionary to appreciate what they’ve achieved.  I may HATE it because of their policies, but they understand how to get and how to wield power, something that died in the Democratic Party some time after Sam Ervin retired.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 2, 2010 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment

By JohannG, March 2 at 8:58 pm #

Yeah but i don’t understand why there is a hatred and bias in America against Hugo Chavez,  Ralph Nader and Cindy Sheehan, and why there is so much support for Killary Clinton, The Bush Crime Family and in favor of psychopaths such as Glenn Beck

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 2, 2010 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment

OBAMA IS A LIAR !! Illegal Wars, Fraudulent Bailouts, Egregious Assault on Civil Liberties

HENRY ROLLINS - LIAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaysTVcounI... Ver más

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By LJL, March 2, 2010 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, Is the Umma in your bumper sticker a reference the Arabic or?  “Obama community” maybe “Mother of Obama” plus ‘tron’ for irony?  I’m really just curious, no political ax to grind, just like I was about the other guys arithmetic.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 2, 2010 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

ardee, March 1 at 9:36 am #

“Let us not forget that it was Mr. Hedges who, for several years, steadfastly claimed that Iraq, GITMO, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Patriot Act, enhanced interrogations and Domestic Surveillance, for example, were all sure signs that a “Neo-Con fascist Cabal” hijacked the White House. “

It was and it did.
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I don’t agree on Afghanistan, per se, but the rest of it, and the conclusion, I’m right with you on this, Ardee.  GRYM has NO idea what Liberty or the Constitution is all about. None. Nada, Gornischt.

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By Afi K. James, March 2, 2010 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment
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While I Agree with Ralph Nader about nobama, he is a scam, but chris hedges is wrong on the copenhagen treaty, it is a scam to create one world government.

see this video of alex jones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAqqAnUxACY&fmt=18

The UN is a fraud and should be out of the United States.

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By Shenonymous, March 2, 2010 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

Yes, green ideas are taking well in several states.  Why?  Because green ideas
are prudent? Even some corporations are greening up their products.  But
that does not mean Green will go much anywhere as a political party unless it
is in a local arena that has a focus on local green issues.  If the Greens want to
get anywhere nationally, they need to find a candidate that will zing all the
non-greens off their feet.

Looks like some here can’t retain what they read from one post to another!  Ha! 
I be thinking twas I that said “Someone keeps adding up 100% as 101%.  Some
innumerate?  It’s a joke, right?”  Lovely borrowing, in plain sight even.  I
love it.

Doesn’t anyone else think the 30 million not covered by health care insurance
ought to be the ones polled as to whether it would be a good thing for them to
have health care reform passed instead of polling only those who do have
decent health insurance and don’t care a f’n thing about the less fortunate? My
new bumper sticker:  UmmaObamatron!  Yip yip yippie!  Lots more of
laughs. 

GRYM, one ought not to rely on only one source for “fact” finding.  Do you
think I really had to say that?
  So thanks for your critical notice of factcheck. 
I am grateful.  By the way did you write to factcheck, as they have a link for you
to do that?  They invite corrections and they caveat their “facts” admitting it is
possible better information could be provided.  Do you know an equally good
or honest source for facts?  My purpose was to suggest that more than one
source be swallowed as truth when it comes to anything political to avoid
political indigestion.  Was that too hard to fathom?

And the root of morality is integrity.  Any ideas on how to transmute that?

But truedigger3 the air is so much richer up here.  You can’t imagine in your
wildest dreams that I care a gram what you think of me.  But I know one thing
for certain, you will never breathe this fabulous air.

Quite right, LJL, if, that is, you wouldn’t mind if the uppity Shenonymous in her
ivory tower said that!  And no sense in repeating what you said so well.  Several
times on this forum.  All worth a re-read. 

The demographics and geographics of New Zealand is quite unlike the United
States.  It would not be so simple to change the incumbent political system.

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By Amon Drool, March 2, 2010 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

Earthianguy 7:29pm

thanks for a fine post.  your emphasis on the need for ‘modern’ democratic design cannot be emphasized enough.

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By mulligas, March 2, 2010 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

Hedges makes some good points but I think that he is being too hard on liberals and the Left. The Left make many criticisms of Obama during his run for office and his presidency so far. I voted for Cynthia McKinney but Obama’s supporters have reason to be dissapointed by Obama’s record so far.

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By JohannG, March 2, 2010 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

Yep, Ralph Nader has correctly predicted that Obama’s
foreign policy be very similar to Bush’s. Also, Mr
Nader predicted correctly that Obama’s domestic
policies would be somewhat (but not substantially)
better than Bush’s(by “better” I mean “serving the
good of the many, instead of the few”). I voted for
Obama instead of Nader, even though I think Nader
will serve the interest of the majority of the
citizens whereas Obama will not. In voting for Obama
I made a mistake. Mr. Hedges’ article has an
undertone of pessimism that I share. There is much
wrong with this country that I love and I’d like to
see improvements. Not sure this is what the future
holds. Unlike most, I have options outside of this
country.

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By ofersince72, March 2, 2010 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment

Along with controing the media and dumbing down the
public, they needed to tear the checks and balances
of our central government…
No need to demonstrate examples of this, it is right
smack in front of our face now as witnessed by
Democracy as a useful fiction.  The courts are
almost totally stacked and untold powers of
executive order.

we all have our hands dirty
I have doubts if we are even able to vote ourselves
out of this mess.

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By ofersince72, March 2, 2010 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

To me, the sixties proved a learning experience for
the corporate elite and their media.  By the end of
sixties censorship became commonplace again, i.e.
Smothers Brothers. Reshaping political thought.
They began Mansonizing dissent. (No, I am not suggesting a conspirousy here, just the incident
being used for self-serving purposes by the powers
that control and their media.)  They also recognized
the power of an educated public, started dumbing it
down and wrecking the public school systems.
Control of the media by corporate america is to me
the number one cause of our society being cast
to what is now close to being back to Sinclair’s
Jungle.  Most working Americans read the paper,
watch the news,  look what they are getting. Most of
them are not like the posters of TD, they find
politics boring or have to many other things in life
keeping them too busy to dig behind mainstream
lies and bullshit,  to many its just sheer boredom
to watch C-span and their clowns.

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By ardee, March 2, 2010 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

LJL, March 2 at 6:49 pm

What an unbelievably ignorant post you offer. It is completely off base.

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By Earthianguy, March 2, 2010 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment

Hedges is of course correct about McKinney and Nader being right about
President Obama and his agenda. Obama is a defender of the corporate regime,
and wants it to seem more progressive-like under his administration. Obama
thus is a corporate Democrat. And so are many Democrats in Congress and at the state level.

Diagnosis is one thing, and treatment is another.

To support the Green Party of the United States is good. I believe in that and I
do that.

To advocate “socialism” by name is problematic, for too many definitions of
“socialism” say it is the system of government whereby the government owns
the means of production and the delivery of services. This is not what
progressive platforms advocate in the US.

A better term would be to advocate progressivism. For that we have a platform.
I was on the Green Party Platform Committee as a guest, and I wrote part of it
in 2008. The 2004 and 2008 Green Party Platform is a fine set of policies to
advocate, and to represent progressive policies. So is the Nader platform. And
the Kucinich platform. And the policies recommended by the 19 state
progressive caucuses in the Democratic Parties at the state level. And also the
policies of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which lists the state
progressive caucuses under their section of links.

We need more sophisticated strategy than abandoning the Democrats in the
context of a two-party system.

In a true multi-party system (such as MMP like Germany or New Zealand) that
makes sense. To do what Hedges advocates in our two-party system with his
silly, simplistic either/or suggestion would be a gift to the more corporate,
more fascist, more militaristic, more stupid of the two parties.

There is a both/and solution that is simple and obvious in contrast to Hedges’
flawed logic. That is to BOTH fully support the Green Party AND to oppose any
and all corporate Democrats. And to BOTH fully support true-progressive
Democrats in primary races, AND to develop a growing movement to support
progressive Democrats AND the Green Party (our one national progressive
party).

The most important long-term issues for determining whether a given person,
candidate or activist is a true progressive Democrat is the key bridge issue:
progressive electoral policies to create a multi-party system which is free of
corruption through bribery. That means true progressive Democrats advocate
for legislation and constitutional revisions that will transform our system and
our Constitution into a modern democratic system. Any so called “progressive
Democrat” who does not advocate for such a transformation of our system is
not only a false progressive and an adversary of the Green Party, such people
either need to be educated or directly opposed and exposed as frauds who are
attempting to co-opt “progressive” as a name.

This bridge issue (as opposed to a “wedge issue”) of electoral reform is found,
in great detail, in each of the progressive frameworks I mentioned above.

Hedges has good progressive intentions. And offers both very good and very
bad strategy.

Are you supporting the Green Party, AND building progressive caucuses at the
state level? Are you pushing for progressive legislation AND pushing for a
constitutional convention or amendments to fix the antiquated constitutional
machinery that causes our system to be broken? And much, much more . . . ? I
hope so.

New Zealand transformed their system from a two-party system to a true
multi-party system in the 1990s. They now have a system of proportional
representation; public financing of elections; a single, accountable legislature;
and a system that allows a national referendum to alter their electoral system
according to the wishes of the New Zealand public.

We can learn much from our progressive Kiwi allies.

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By LindaC, March 2, 2010 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment
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I voted for Barack Obama, willingly overlooking the signals he occasionally sent out about his basic neoliberal stance and tendancy to renege on his
promises when it suited him.  No more.  I grant you, the man is no George W, but he’s been a great and sometimes dangerous disappointment, as Hedges lays out in this article.  Chris, thanks for writing without apology about what socialism really means.

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By LJL, March 2, 2010 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

To TomSemioli I say:  No apology whatsoever is owed to the Naderites.  They owe a effing big, grovelling apology to America for being such vermin-like fifth columnists who did George Bush’s work for him.  They reveled in their ignorance and intolerance.  And when They got their wishes, and Gore was finally defeated, They said Bush was no worse than Gore would have been.  Bush, they believed, was just as environmentally committed as Gore.  Bush was just as committed to American consumers, workers, women, and minorities, they want us to believe, as Gore. They owe us an apology for all their idiot bushit.

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By Hildebrand, The Insurance Warden, March 2, 2010 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment
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Just as a nation avoids becoming a theocracy by keeping the government and religion separate,
a nation avoids becoming a corporate state by keeping the government apart from industry.

I assert my view that the implication that socialism would direct the country away from becoming a corporate state is in error.  When the government is in charge of industry (as in socialism), then what is the state but a corporation?  In highly socialist societies, the government determines who gets what job, so what are the citizens but employees-by-compulsion?

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By JesseKantstopolis, March 2, 2010 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment
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Big oil is promoting Global Warming.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/10/exxon-mobil-carbon-tax

http://www.prisonplanet.com/big-oil-behind-copenhagen-climate-scam.html

You say there’s global warming so where is it?  Where are the rising temperatures?

I’m a unicorn and if you don’t believe me your a flat-Earther troglodyte.

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By truedigger3, March 2, 2010 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

C.Curtis Dillon wrote:
“I bought other USA products but again they were not of good quality.  Who’s fault was that?  All too often it was the blue collar worker who didn’t see the need to do a good job.  Or the white collar manager who placed quantity over quality.”
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The poor quality of USA products and cars was deliberately staged by mangament by withhoding investmets in modernising manufacturing plants and upgrading their workers skills.
The management did that to set the stage to move manufacturing to overseas and blaming the “lazy” “pampered” US workers for that.
The current bankruptcy of GM and Chrysler were similary staged to castrate the UAW and move more manufacturing plants overseas.
While GM is closing plants in the USA, it is opening plants in China and else where with the help of the workers taxes as bail-out money. Very clever and insidious!!.

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By ofersince72, March 2, 2010 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

In my opinion, for what its worth, both Dr. Dillon
and Elisalouisa are right.  There is plenty of blame
to go around.
The middle class did become complacent afterthe draft
was stopped.  Unions allowed the leaders to be
corrupted, many of labors battles had been won.
I worked for eight years in the steelworkers union
after my discharge in the early seventies. We didn’t
pay one dime for health care or dental, nothing.
Towards the end of 74, wages tripled. By the end of
78 I started seeing through the mask.  The workers
were in more debt than ever. Making 40k to 50k in the
mill was not enough for them now.  It became even more fishy when shop stewards started taking at least
three days of the week off for union business. A
MAA of the union secretly confided to me that they
were getting paid both by the union and the company
for the days they took off for union business.
It was the industries taking advantage of the greed
that broke that union and eventually that company.
I walked out before that happened,  I told my many
friends in the mill the money and benifits weren’t
going to be around much longer ,stand by for a ram.
Thats what the seventies was about, flooding the
market with money (and drugs) while they picked apart
the unions, shrewd business men corrupting easy
pickings union leaders.

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By Leefeller, March 2, 2010 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

Hedges fosters a unique perspective, he offers such a difference the word unique is not quite descriptive enough, so then why does Hedges always sound like Ground Hog Day, the same thing over and over?  I told you so, I told you so! And I told you so!  Hammering this message so we can be enlightened over and over again so we not me will get it right? 

We know we should realize that we screwed up, but what we do not know is who the hell is we?

According to Hedges everyone who voted for McCain is not we? On the other hand everyone except I is we and you is we?

Love hearing the same message over and over, Hedges wearing the same baggy paints held up by animated suspenders with a shiny red nose and big floppy clown shoes. So the cannibal asked his mate,  does this clown taste funny to you?

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By TomSemioli, March 2, 2010 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

An apology is also due to the Nader volunteers and supporters who have had to suffer the slings and arrows of so-called “liberal” Deomocrats since 2000.

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By truedigger3, March 2, 2010 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous wrote:
“Hedges does not know how the world turns because he is not of this world”
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And you, Ms. college professor in your isolated ivory tower, high in the sky, know how the world turns much better than Hedges, who as jounalist lived in many parts of the world, and experienced many historical events as they developed.
In some instances I don’t agree with Hedges’ opinions or his style, but you the “good girl” of the establishment orthodoxy, I find hard time reading your posts without shaking my head in bemusement and getting a good laugh out of your drivel.

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By mlc, March 2, 2010 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment
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@Walt Roberts

Yes, this horrible hyperbole must be what has caused Obama to abandon the majority of his campaign promises, act nearly the same as McCain or Palin on issues of foreign policy, terrorism, and healthcare, and repeatedly spit in the eye of all the true progressives that voted for him. 
What we need to do is support him no matter his actions, and then cross our fingers and hope that one of the morsels he throws us happens to help the constantly expanding lower classes! 
I don’t know if you were being serious, and I hate to tell you this, but…
Supporting mere lip service in a corrupt system isn’t a moral choice when our actions effect so many others in this world.  If Obama allows torture, or economic/class thievery(i.e. money consistently moving upwards, for all those who believe Obama is a secret scary socialist & thus would misunderstand), or ignores violations of the law, then we too are responsible for that as long as we support him and accept those actions.  How does it feel being a war criminal? Personally I’m not very fond of it. =(

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By WriterOnTheStorm, March 2, 2010 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

Just as the “discerning customer” imagines a world of difference between
Mercedes and BMW, so does the “responsible voter” imagine important
distinctions between the republicans and the democrats. But to outliers like me,
and Chris Hedges apparently, brand blue and brand red are far more alike than
different. To my way of thinking, the biggest difference between Bush and
Gore? -  Bush made for better material from John Stewart and Bill Maher. This is
why I can’t put much stock in the argument heard over and over (and in
increasingly whiney tones) that Nader “is the reason we got eight years of
Bush”.

I admire Hedges’ upstream swim on this issue. He has to convince a nation of
people who identify more with their role as consumers than with that of
citizens. For these people, branding is everything. Politicians represent brands
that are easy to follow and complimentary to the voter/consumer’s perceived
social status. Any so-called progressive party will be seen first and foremost as
an off-brand. The task is akin to persuading folks to choose a Lada when they
could be driving a beemer.

As lab-rat crazy as it sounds, voting progressive is just not sexy enough to
Consumer Smith, who will have devoted his/her entire life to chasing down the
American Dream in all its buy-now, pay-later glory. Why should they back a
loser—and a loser is what any progressive party will be for a long time before
it wins—when they sincerely believe that they have spent a lifetime, and their
parents spent their lifetimes before them, more or less winning?

I’m with you Chris, but I fear that America has some more losing to do before
the rest of us get there.

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By Walt Roberts, March 2, 2010 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

This kind of hyperbole is the very thing that makes it difficult for Obama to get the support he needs to do what progressives want him to do.  I think this tone of attack editorial reporting is “shooting yourself in the foot”. Being critical is so easy and righteousness feels so good but….. this hyperbole attack analysis retards the cohesiveness of progressives, liberals, and the Democratic Party and diffuses support for an emerging extraordinary leader (Obama).  He is up against a powerfully entrenched socio-economic-politcal system/culture (that you are part of and contribute to) that will probably have to go into complete breakdown in order to be transformed (given the combined attack of right and left of Obama).  This tone of complaining and attack is antithetical to producing transformational results and is helpful in insuring that Obama has insufficient support for leading productive change.  Consider a different tone and framing, quit shooting Obama in the back.  Consider turning your attack on the corrupt parts/players in the system.  Or consider that you are complicit in marginalizing Obama and his ability to catalyze change and with that are abetting the very dysfunction you rail against. Watching folks who are supposedly on the same team tear themselves apart while the other team wins another round is saddening.  I submit that Obama is not the central problem here.  This framing and tone and reporting IS a big part of the problem in my view.

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By Korky Day, March 2, 2010 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

Only 1 person, greenferret, mentioned
instant runoff voting
and
proportional representation,
Green Party planks.
Most USAmericans, because of their math phobia, don’t realize that such ballot changes are the best remedy for the 2-party system.
Hedges (and even Nader, at times) seems ignorant of the remedies, too.  Attempts at ending the duopoly will always fail without that knowledge.
—Korky Day, Green Party member http://www.korky.ca

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By elisalouisa, March 2, 2010 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

C. Curtis.Dillon, I do not see where middle class America is getting bashed on
this thread. Your comment that “we are all to blame for the state we find
ourselves in” is in itself a condemnation of middle class America. Money talks
and money bought our politicians, those who would not be bought such as
Paul Wellstone were eliminated either permanently or through scandal. Slowly
through the years each seat in Congress came into the hands of the power
elite. Middle class America with its sense of fair play and necessity to work has
no recourse. Now we find ourselves in our present dilemma with main stream
media blaming the middle class along with you C.Curtis.Dillion,. This does not
make your first sentence credible as you are not coming to the defense of the
middle class, rather, you are placing blame on those who are being trampled by
the power elite. You might compare the power elite as the side who fights with
drones and the middle class huddling together having only handguns. What are
the odds Vegas would give you on that one?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 2, 2010 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

The main problem of USA is that the large means of production is owned by a few.  Only nationalization of the large means of production (Mega-Corporations like Wal-Mart and Exxon) can really democratize the wealth of USA.

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By cmarcusparr, March 2, 2010 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

It not only can happen here (apologies to Sinclair Lewis), it has happened here.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 2, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

By john, March 1 at 3:43 pm #

YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT !!! Thats why i believe in the messiahnic theory of Nietzsches Superman.  Unlike the dogmatic marxists who think that it is the working-classes by themselves who are the ones who should change a nation.

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