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Noam Chomsky Has ‘Never Seen Anything Like This’

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Posted on Apr 19, 2010
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By Chris Hedges

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Chomsky, because he steps outside of every group and eschews all ideologies, has been crucial to American discourse for decades, from his work on the Vietnam War to his criticisms of the Obama administration. He stubbornly maintains his position as an iconoclast, one who distrusts power in any form.

“Most intellectuals have a self-understanding of themselves as the conscience of humanity,” said the Middle East scholar Norman Finkelstein. “They revel in and admire someone like Vaclav Havel. Chomsky is contemptuous of Havel. Chomsky embraces the Julien Benda view of the world. There are two sets of principles. They are the principles of power and privilege and the principles of truth and justice. If you pursue truth and justice it will always mean a diminution of power and privilege. If you pursue power and privilege it will always be at the expense of truth and justice. Benda says that the credo of any true intellectual has to be, as Christ said, ‘my kingdom is not of this world.’ Chomsky exposes the pretenses of those who claim to be the bearers of truth and justice. He shows that in fact these intellectuals are the bearers of power and privilege and all the evil that attends it.”

“Some of Chomsky’s books will consist of things like analyzing the misrepresentations of the Arias plan in Central America, and he will devote 200 pages to it,” Finkelstein said. “And two years later, who will have heard of Oscar Arias? It causes you to wonder would Chomsky have been wiser to write things on a grander scale, things with a more enduring quality so that you read them forty or sixty years later. This is what Russell did in books like ‘Marriage and Morals.’ Can you even read any longer what Chomsky wrote on Vietnam and Central America? The answer has to often be no. This tells you something about him. He is not writing for ego. If he were writing for ego he would have written in a grand style that would have buttressed his legacy. He is writing because he wants to effect political change. He cares about the lives of people and there the details count. He is trying to refute the daily lies spewed out by the establishment media. He could have devoted his time to writing philosophical treatises that would have endured like Kant or Russell. But he invested in the tiny details which make a difference to win a political battle.”

“I try to encourage people to think for themselves, to question standard assumptions,” Chomsky said when asked about his goals. “Don’t take assumptions for granted. Begin by taking a skeptical attitude toward anything that is conventional wisdom. Make it justify itself. It usually can’t. Be willing to ask questions about what is taken for granted. Try to think things through for yourself. There is plenty of information. You have got to learn how to judge, evaluate and compare it with other things. You have to take some things on trust or you can’t survive. But if there is something significant and important don’t take it on trust. As soon as you read anything that is anonymous you should immediately distrust it. If you read in the newspapers that Iran is defying the international community, ask who is the international community? India is opposed to sanctions. China is opposed to sanctions. Brazil is opposed to sanctions. The Non-Aligned Movement is vigorously opposed to sanctions and has been for years. Who is the international community? It is Washington and anyone who happens to agree with it. You can figure that out, but you have to do work. It is the same on issue after issue.”

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By OzarkMichael, April 26, 2010 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

Inherit the Wind said: I’m content with who I am, faults and all.

I too am content with ITW’s faults.

Among his few virtues(you can find them if you look closely), there is one virtue of his that I especially like. I like how ITW stands up for people who are being treated wrongly, even people who he vehemently disagrees with.

I also find it most admirable that when Jewish people are being put down ITW identifies himself as Jewish and by doing so he stands in the breach that the anti-semites are trying to open up. These virtues are like flowers in the fields of Truthdig.

But we must put ITW’s virtues in perspective.

Please survey the vast field of personae that is ITW. You will notice that the weeds far surpass the sparse flowers as you gaze across the meadow of ITW’s many posts over the many years. The tangle stretches for miles.

Then by comparison you read your own posts, which arent so hot either but by comparison they are slightly better than ITW’s. And you will admit that you are content with ITW’s faults too.

Finally, read my posts. Survey the years of wit and wisdom, as each month the blossoms spill forth into the air their magnificent fragrance. The fecundity is matched only by the profundity. Indeed.

So i too am content with the faults of ITW. How else would we know the sweetness of a rose if there were no weeds nearby?

And now if you will excuse me i will snip this last sentence off as I put the finishing touches on this bouquet…

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By Robert, April 26, 2010 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

By nemesis2010, April 26 at 3:39 pm #

@ Robert:

I am of the opinion that AIPAC and anyone associated with AIPAC or that has ever had any contact with AIPAC members or lobbyists should be investigated.
AIPAC should be made to register as the representative of a rogue foreign state.

How is it that the rogue state of Israel can have a Likud party member seated in the Senate?

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Nemesis2010,

Speaking of US Senate/Congress members and their association with AIPAC & American Israel Education Foundation (AIEF)...just follow the—- $$$$$——trail(s).


March 9, 2010  

Congressional Junket Front-Page News Unless It’s a Trip to Israel

The case, moreover, exposes the inconsistencies of the ethics rules constraining congressional behavior. The rules intend to restrict the influence of lobbyists; however, they do nothing to constrain so-called “educational” organizations. Under the current rules, a non-profit like the is considered an independent entity from its parent group the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which self-identifies as “America’s Pro-Israel Lobby.”

Under this arrangement we are to assume that AIPAC’s hard-line, rightist views of the Arab-Israeli conflict have not once influenced the “education” imparted on the 480 trips (at a cost of $4,024,845) sponsored by AIEF since Jan. 2000. Unfortunately, the link between AIEF’s “educational” efforts and AIPAC’s lobbying are as obvious as they appear. Members and staffers participating in the trips are bombarded by a one-sided distortion of reality. The perspectives generated by these “educational” sojourns rarely include moderate or left-leaning voices in Israel. When, if ever, was B’Tselem or Peace Now involved in the “education” process? Furthermore, the trips neglect the Palestinian perspective altogether.

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Click on link for details & information on the top 10 & other congressional members approved trips sponsored by pro-Israel groups. Check the table out for # of trips & $$$ amount(s):


http://www.wrmea.com/action-alerts/8833-congressional-junket-front-page-news-unless-its-a-trip-to-israel.html

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By Steve Moyer, April 26, 2010 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment
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I wonder about Noam Chomsky.  Is he really an honest intellectual? How could he buy the official story of 9-11?  Why isn’t he calling for more investigation of 9-11?  He might be a clever agent of “containment” to keep the discussion within prescribed boundaries.

There is plenty of oil.  Peak oil is a myth.  But we shouldn’t be using it because it’s a dirty fuel.  We should “go electric”  because electricity can be made from many different sources.  Electric cars, scooters, bicycles .. all of it.  Where did people get the idea to insist on 200 miles tn a charge?  Electricity is everywhere.  Just put charging stations in every post office parking lot. Done!

So what if you have have to wait half an hour for a charge before you get home.  Big deal.  Relax.  Meditate while your car is charging.

Solutions exist.  I’m sensing the same kind of hysteria here which was used to justify the invasion of Iraq under Bush.  Why aren’t we talking about solutions?

An Article V convention is an obvious solution.
Amend the Constitution to have MORE DEMOCRACY rather than less.  Give people the ability to make and endorse political proposals on the Internet .. with their legal identities in the open.  That way we can network with each other and “make it so.”
( http://synergynation.net )

I’m astounded that nobody seems to notice that “money has failed.”  It isn’t capitalism.  It’s failed for a number of reasons.  Technology, globalization and the Internet are a few of them.

Money is an evil system of domination and control for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many.  It is the biggest terrorist on the planet.  Why have a “people prejudice” when talking about terrorism?  Any THING which causes intense fear is a terrorist thing in the mind.  Money is causing intense fear.  Hence, money is a terrorist in the mind.

We don’t need money to have civilization.  It was always a bad idea. It makes you DIS-trust others, embrace the rule of violent force, and fear for your future.

Money IS fear.  That is the essential nature of it.

We need a new economic system, one based on RELATIONSHIPS rather than NUMBERS.  As soon as you make QUANTITY matter more than QUALITY you have sold your soul to the devil.

Noam is at best a “has-been” and at worst a deliberate diversion from “what needs to be done.”

Steve Moyer
http://stevemoyer.us
http://facebook.com/metamind

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By Inherit The Wind, April 26, 2010 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

Nemesis:
I finally gave you the only response you deserve.  I pressed “Report this” on the posts you made attacking me again, and lying about it, and the post attacking EL.

When people think of crazy, warped ex-Marines (as opposed to the decent sane ones) they think of assholes like you who never got out of adolescence and will do or say ANYTHING, no matter how immoral, in order to “win”, whatever the fuck that means to you.

When EL and even oversince72 are siding with me on your sexism and attacks on my family, it’s clear you’ve gone too far.

BTW, I’m a very happy person, not self-loathing at all. I’m content with who I am, faults and all.  One cannot be happy and self-loathing at the same time.

You, OTOH, are so busy trying to prove you masculinity and that you’re the Big Swinging Dick, that you must spend all your time always being enraged at somebody or other over some stupid thing.

And, of course, you fall into the mindless idiocy of accusing two posters you don’t like of being the same person.  That’s just moronic.

But I’ll let you eat your heart out.  It’s MUCH better than eating my own heart out.

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By elisalouisa, April 26, 2010 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment

Nemesis: My words 4/25 6:57 pm   “On this thread we should be on equal ground.” Being on equal ground is not the same as being equally capable. To me equal ground is where you start. Again, when you are dealing with law enforcement as a demonstrator you are not on equal ground.
As to the video you posted. You asked ‘What do you propose as the best way to NONVIOLENTLY get them(e animals caning the poor little 17 year old) to see
the light and the error of their ways?  I do not have an answer for you. I would like to know more about the circumstances, not that it makes any difference as to what we saw but it would make a difference as to my response. To really make a difference in some cultures one must start with the women, for it is the
women as mothers who can make a difference in what they teach their sons and also their daughters. If you asked the women of that culture about the beating of this 17 year old and assuming that she was being beaten for sexual misconduct, it is probable that a good part of the women would not protest
this treatment. Surprising? Shocking? Perhaps, but also true. In many cultures women have been brought up accepting as fact that they are the not the equal of men. There still are places of worship when men and women are separated. Even at the Western Wall in Jerusalem women and men are set apart when they worship. Until recently many countries did not allow women to enter a bar unescorted. I could go on and on. Of course, this does not compare to the beating viewed on that video. This involves a culture that needs updating and I do not have the knowledge or the tools that are required to accomplish this.
One also must consider that most cultures are very sensitive as to others stepping in and “telling them how to do things.” Most Peace groups and non-violent demonstrators work on trying to solve national disputes in a non-violent matter and call attention to “small” wars. Such groups were especially strong in the late 60s, the hippie era you so fondly speak of. Surprise but I agree with you. I also am in agreement that despite the social unrest it was a much better America at that time. How could we have strayed so far?  A rhetorical question but nevertheless one that does keep coming to mind.One of your paragraphs that starts out “The problems this country faces” is indeed humorous because of course it is true. This thread is living proof of
that. However, we cannot sweep under the rug(real feminists do not use this
term, however, your mother or grandmother may have) the fact that the power
of corporations/wall street had increased many times over in recent years.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

Why worry about what you cannot control?  All the political
chaos will tamp down.  I noticed here in the States that as it
gets closer and closer to elections, more and more politician
on opposite sides are talking to each other more and more.
The comparative seems to work when the rubber meets the
road.  I suggest you take Leefeller’s solution, tequila, only my
fav is with lime and a rim of salt. 

Enough of us has said numerous times that regulated capitalism with
room for socialized programs is the best with much explanation. 
Capitalism is not going to go away and pipedreamers are fantasizing as
if there is peyote in their pipes.  But of course that is their prerogative. 
So provide a description of the regulations that is thought to solve the
corruption instead of the continual moaning.  It is always so humorous
to read the “What-people-need-to-do”  types, they are in abundance
on these threads.  Always the wise ones.  Why not just say what they
individually intend to do and let the others alone.  Who is so conceited
to think their way is the only way?  Or the conceit to say what the “true”
left is or what they ought to do?  The patronizing is a hoot.  It is soooo
dramatic.

You mean, Leefeller, the blind man with a dog stories are over??? Poop.

Thank you RenZo.

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By omop, April 26, 2010 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

Robert;

Lets see how the AIPAC crowd on this thread takes this….

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aFFYtiVnKge8

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By JDmysticDJ, April 26, 2010 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

What a circus! 600 comments, but how many have any relevance to the article? Not many. When Noam Chomsky says he has,” Never seen anything like this” that statement is only verified by the comments on this thread.

Now I know how a hapless Social Democrat during the last days of the Weimar Republic, before the Third Reich was inaugurated, must have felt. There is nothing but political chaos everywhere.

The perpetrator of injustice is predatory Capitalism/Corporatism, with all its assorted abuses, injustices, and atrocities, and this seems to be the view of most of the people on this thread, but there is no united front to meet this threat.  Corporatism is attacked by the libertarian right, the left, and even from the center, but the factionalism negates any possibility of effectively confronting this threat.

In my view, Chomsky is the smartest guy in the room, as usual.

“It is very similar to late Weimar Germany,” Chomsky told me when I called him at his office in Cambridge, Mass. “The parallels are striking. There was also tremendous disillusionment with the parliamentary system. The most striking fact about Weimar was not that the Nazis managed to destroy the Social Democrats and the Communists but that the traditional parties, the parties Conservative and Liberal, were hated and disappeared. It left a vacuum which the Nazis very cleverly and intelligently managed to take over.”

Many of the people on this thread would like the “Traditional parties, the parties Conservative and Liberal,” to disappear, as would Hedges. Personally, I think that Chomsky was hinting to Hedges that he needs to cease with his counter productive nihilism.

“Progressives” need to come together to defeat Corporatism/Predatory Capitalism, but there is not much chance of that happening, as long as progressives are so factionalized. The left has always been the enemy of Predatory Capitalism, but many people on this thread wrongfully blame the left for being the facilitators of Predatory Capitalism, thereby aiding the right, which has always been the ally of, and propagandist for free market, “Unseen hand” predatory, crony Capitalism.

Complicating the issue is the fact that political realities, both economic and electoral, have caused many democratic politicians to move to the right, and to become in effect, tools of, and shills for, Corporatism. Even so, the worst democrats are the mere equivalents of moderate republicans.

The real left, the true left, the non corporate, people’s democrats, face nearly insurmountable odds, but they are our only hope of overcoming the near omnipotence of global corporatism, with all its accompanying injustices, destructive policies, and atrocities.

The issues that confront us are very real, potentially catastrophic, and currently tragic. We won’t be able to solve the issues that confront us with chaos, bitter complaining, accusations, arguments, advocacy of ideologies that have no hope of being politically viable, or with nihilism.

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

She, Time for me to take my transcendental
meditation, except I am out of Tequila, so a power nap
will have to do!

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

But the Eye-seeing dog was not cool, it was a hot dog.

When it is put to the numbers, a whole new story emerges.
Now the mystery is, what is put to the numbers?

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By RenZo, April 26, 2010 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

@ Shenonymous

That is really a bitchin icon your are sporting these days. Primo.

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By RenZo, April 26, 2010 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment

@ Night Gaunt

Personally I think your estimates of the casualities of American War Crimes is WAY low. But that’s IMHO.

You also forgot “Grenada” that most important of US Foreign Wars.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

It was a small almost all-seeing dog.  ‘cept the
gator wore a white hood and was invisible.

No, this never ending story is fun…don’t leave!  Don’t go to
Rooobbbberrrrt! 


I think ofersince72 may have attention deficit syndrome.  Some
transcendental meditation would fix that.  And might nemesis2010
have an attention surplus syndrome?  TM would fix that too.  TM fixes
just about everything except flat tires. 

Opening the door.

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

You win Offersince72,  Posting like Offersince72 is a pain
in the arse! Next I may try Roberts cut and pasty’s on for
size.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

Or…see ya later, alligator.  When the blind guy set the dog
down, after twirling it around his head, the ‘gator ate the
dog.

My goodness.  Truthdig does attract the retired Marines.
nemesis2010 is about the 10th one.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 26, 2010 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

I would have added from the USA in other countries ;

Iraq (1990-2003) 1,252,000 between bombings and sanctions and destructive targeting of hospitals, water pumping stations etc. [War crimes.]
Iraq (2003-2009) Occupation; 1,300,000 and climbing.

Panama lost between 3,000-4,000 to depose the
American agent and president.

I don’t know for Somalia, Yemen, Argentina, Haiti, Brazil and many others over the years. (It includes training, arming and aiding security forces in those countries.) The list could be very long.

South Viet-Nam (1956-1973) 1,500,000. Not counting deaths from chemical warfare like Agent Orange causing cancers, and land mines etc.

All done under the rubric of “spreading democracy and freedom, saving lives” as any despot would say. If they had done that here it would be seen in a very different light.

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

The blind guy said; “just looking around”!

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By nemesis2010, April 26, 2010 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

@ amunaor:

It’s not opposed to anything. Poster reading comprehension problems are shamefully evident all over this site. Reading comprehension inadequacies isn’t a right-left issue but from what I see it’s the lefties that have more of a problem with it here. Of course in your defense there aren’t many conservative yahoos here. Isn’t the left supposed to be brighter than the right? You couldn’t convince me from what I see on TD.

Perhaps the solution is less feely touchy and more study study?

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

When the manager came running over and asked the blind guy
“what the hell are your doing with your dog?

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By nemesis2010, April 26, 2010 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

@ Robert:

I am of the opinion that AIPAC and anyone associated with AIPAC or that has ever had any contact with AIPAC members or lobbyists should be investigated.
AIPAC should be made to register as the representative of a rogue foreign state.

How is it that the rogue state of Israel can have a Likud party member seated in the Senate?

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

Wasn’t that an Eye seeing dog?  Aye.  See ya. or I see ya,
or I’ll be seeing ya.

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

He picked up his dog and grabbed it by the tail and
started twirling it around and around over hid head like
folks at a tea bag convention.

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By nemesis2010, April 26, 2010 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

@ ElisaLouisa:

The type of change most are clamoring for on this thread would require a revolution Elisa.

Sexist? Isn’t knitting a traditional function of the female of our species? My mother and grandmothers all knitted; are you insinuating that there is something dishonorable or demeaning about knitting? How dare you belittle my mother and grandmothers! You’re probably an anti-Semite because one of my grandmothers was Jewish. Do you also hate all aboriginals? You probably voted for Bush and are a neo-con, right? What a bigoted and racist attitude. Are you ITW under another name?

That’s right we do have differing points of view. If we’re here to exchange ideas then it should be obvious that we’d have differing points of views, should it not? This is what’s known as a DUH! moment Elisa.

Where is it written that we should all be on equal ground? How can we possibly all be on equal ground when many of us are so much more capable than others? Are we supposed to act like a fool until morons like ITW have years to try and catch up? The equality comes in having the opportunity to present your case and have it scrutinized, critiqued, and countered if so desired by others. The equality ends there.

I wasn’t sending a message Elisa, I sent a link to a video and I asked specific questions to which you did not respond. It’s a shame because there was a lot of potential learning and exchanging of ideas to be had. Fear is a terrible thing. 

The problems our country faces are vast and complex and cannot possibly be covered in a 4,000 character limit format. Another important aspect of the problems our country faces is that not everyone is in agreement as to what those problems are. To many on the right of the spectrum the main problem we face are the bleeding-heart libarul, socalist, anti-Amurikan, not real amurikan, homosexual, lesbian, transgendered, intellectual, stoopid, tree-hugging, effeminate, thumb-holed sweater wearing, big-government loving, lazy, no account, Obama-loving, commies. From the left side of the spectrum the main problem has to do with the over abundance of inbred, Nazi, fascist, corporate, capitalist, donkey screwing, one-toothed, red-necked, Bush-loving, Jeebus adoring, Bible-thumping, evangelical, right-winged, tobacco-chewing, beer-guzzling, gun-toting, misogynist yahoos. Then there are those of us who KNOW that the real problem this country faces are all of you!

I’m not ITW, I’ll answer anything you ask. But let’s try to be a little more specific. Pick one or two of what you think are major problems and ask away. Also be forewarned that, unlike you and ITW, I try NOT to make too many assumptions and prefer to ask for clarifications on one’s positions, so be prepared to articulate your positions adequately.

You’ll be happy to know that yes, my 4 years in service (U.S.M.C.) gave me ample opportunity to learn many things. One of the principle object lessons I learned was to never fight a lying summa biotch’s war and to cripple any of your offspring that even thinks about joining the military.

I wouldn’t lose any sleep over the cloth from Vietnam Elisa, if you own a TV and/or a stereo more than likely it’s Japanese made. What brand of auto do you have; German, Japanese, Korean? How long do you think we should remain enemies? I ate Italian bread last night, should I feel guilty, you know, Mooseyliny and all that? Damn, I also drank a German beer and think Russian babes definitely make watching women’s tennis worthwhile.

After being discharged I practiced the hippy lifestyle. I much preferred the hippy lifestyle to military. (I still do.) It was really groovy, Strawberry Hill, grass, great music, rapping, dropping acid, beautiful chicks with no bras, halter tops and mini-skirts, making love and not war, –I do so miss those days. Despite all the social unrest it was a much better America and a great place to be.

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

With his seeing Eye Dog?

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

Did you hear about the blind guy who walked into a store?

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By nemesis2010, April 26, 2010 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

Act VII, Scene V of “The Goy and the Restless”:

@ ITW (Drama Queen):

You and your dear wife are in desperate need of reading comprehension classes –as are almost all of the bleeding-hearts on this thread. You (<- 3rd person plural) didn’t learn anything because neither of you can read properly or you wouldn’t have come to that erroneous conclusion. See if you can find a 5th grader to help you and Hadassah figure out what was actually said.

Yes I agree, I’m sure I can’t be as happy or lucky as you are. Why would I want to fall so far down on the happy/lucky scale and risk becoming a miserable, self-loathing prick like you? You can rest assured that I would never settle for so little as being as happy and lucky as you are.

How else was I to prove that I wasn’t an uncircumcised Philistine? It’s your batshit-crazy, psychopathic, Hebrew tribal ancestors that had the fascination with child abuse and genital mutilation. Take it up with Moses and the boys. Perhaps the real lesson here is not to go around acting all uppity and calling gentiles uncircumcised Philistines. Watta think?

As for all that other crap; no, it never even occurred to me, I was only 14. I can’t help wonder why you would immediately think of felating and sodomy at the mention of a schlong. Have a fascination with the male anus and penis, do you? Wifey know about that?

There was no belittling of your parents; there was only the suggestion that given your despicable and sour disposition that perhaps you were conceived during one of those sexual sessions where one—or perhaps both—of the participants didn’t really have their heart into it. It happens to all of us –well, to all of us less than perfect human beings. I’m sure it never happens to you and Hadassah.

I haven’t attacked your gender; I questioned the truthfulness of your gender claim. I questioned it because you come across as—are easily perceived to be—a bitter, man-hating, jilted female with a permanent PMS problem. Perhaps it’s the self-loathing? Start acting like a real man and others will cease to question your masculinity.

There was no protestation. There was an automatic counter-offensive to your soon coming accusations. You forget that in one of the first encounters with you just by asking a simple question and making a statement that the establishment of the rogue state of Israel was not going to turn out well you falsely labeled me a bigot, a racist, and quite a few other adjectives while a quick read of your comments prove—beyond a doubt—that it is you Inherent the Fart, who is the bigot and the racist.

Morality is subjective and perhaps in the world of self-loathing ex-Jew Jews, traits like cowardice and deception are considered signs of high moral character. The problem is that in the world of the goyim those are considered non-desirable character flaws. If all Jews are like you then it’s understandable why Israel is willing to fight its enemies only to the last American and dollar and why stories like that told by Rich Cohen in “The Avengers” are an exception rather than the norm when reading about WWII era Jewry.

Oh, we both know you won’t respond but I enjoy putting you into a corner that exposes what a big f-ing liar you are. Why don’t you show us where I protested that I wasn’t a sexist? Can you point us to a single occurrence of the word sex or sexist? No, you can’t!


I’m not paring up with Robert, who, by the way, nailed you to a cross; quite apropos given your propensity for play acting the self-loathing, ex-Jew Jewish messiah woe-is-me bit —ad nauseam.

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

There are different kinds of lies, white lies and dark
lies and their is always what lies in-between!

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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

iF yOu sAy sO….....

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

When I was 11 years old, I did not know what an
cicomstanced Philistine was, but I had become an expert on
the planet Uranus!

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

Is the computer keyboard hooked to your brain and
streaming thoughts are what we get?

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Or how about stringing paragraphs together sort of to make
a point?

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

ofersince72 Do You Have an aversion to complete thoughts?

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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Unfortunatly, in this country,  there are many, many

  that as long as they have a lie to believe in

  they don’t care who is murdered or tortured just

  as long as they can keep the lifestyle they have
 
  grown accustomed to…. DO DA DAY..IN THE US OF A

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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

And as it always turns out…........

WHAT GOES AROUND   EVENTUALLY   COMES AROUND

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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

a recent history of war, we were lied to about
Afghan and Iraq.
Desert Storm we were lied to
Invasion of Panama, we were lied to
The Contras, we were lied to
Central African wars of 1970s (still going on) ,lied to
Viet Nam war,  lied to
Korean war,  lied to

and that is the history of war,  one lie after another.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

Yes, you are most likely right about mincing definitions, Anarcissie. 
Seems to me the word parsers in current time decide what the
definitions of emotionally charged words shall have.  I often make up
words for emphasis and am thrilled when I see others using them
whether or not I modified the original application or further evolved by
the new users, like “The Contingent” and “He-Who-Has-A-Crap-Filled-
Bucket-On-His-Head” have a special meaning now on Truthdig. LOL I
see others assume this routine also so I don’t claim to be the only
practitioner. 

But one helicopter verses 12 suicide bombers, well I guess that can be
called equivalent.

Quibbling over definitions is most enjoyable, and didactic to say the
least.  I cannot claim to be much of a historian of the history of war but
I try to enlarge my internal encyclopedia as I go along and adding new
reference-able information is always a fascination.

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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

I wish that I could put the C02 graph on here for
you to see, it was drawn in 1972 and has followed to
amost a tee, except the C02 has risen a little faster
than what the graph predicted. It is the same graph
that is used by everyone concerned.

  I faxed a copy to TD a few months back, I wish
they would put it on here.

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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

The peak oil graph is probably right.
  In my opinion the social arguments are moot today,
  Libertaian, socialist, centrist..all that crap.
We missed our last chance when we didn’t vote Nader in
2000,  Gore would have been a rubber stamp of Bush.
The only difference he made everyone aware of the
greenhouse that every climatologist has known about since
the 1960s when the ppm was still around 300ppm.
That is the only thing about the climate collapse he is
telling the truth about, he knows as well as I whats
really going to come down. Don’t believe either that the
present ppm is still at 390ppm, its not.
We are going to have wars, fascism, starvation as control
for what is left of resources is fought over.
Honesty would make the fall a lot less painful, we are not
going to get that either as Obama has shown us.

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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

look at the Information Clearing House
article and graph on peak oil, the graph
was prepared for the DOE
  Nickolas Arguimbau wrote the article

Why are are they letting that leak is my question,
  it had to be on purpose, what are they prepariing us
  for??

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By Anarcissie, April 26, 2010 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous—I used the “non-state actor” definition of terrorist because that seems to be the present common use.  If we define terror as the violent creation of widespread fear in order to achieve political ends, then we need to add the “non-state” part because states use violence and the threat of violence to achieve political ends through fear as a part of normal, generally-accepted business.  The definition of terrorism has been minced rather fine in recent years because of the conflict between the “good” terrorism used against, say, Cuba or Nicaragua, as opposed to the bad terrorism used against the United States.  Ruling classes need a way to say “When we do it, it’s good, but when you do it, it’s bad,” and right now, saying “non-state actor” is the fashion.

Under the “non-state” mincing, an agent-provocateur, being normally someone working for the government, could not be a real terrorist; he or she could only be pretend-terrorist, as in the case I related.

Some people define terrorism using other attributes, like the choice of soft targets—civilians on the street as opposed to troops in bunkers.  But modern states have no compunctions against slaughtering civilians on the street, as we’ve just seen in the little helicopter movie, so I don’t think target choice is a valid distinction.

Of course even with fine mincing there can be a lot of ambiguity.  Gavrilo Princip, the fellow who murdered the Archduke Ferdinand and his wife Sophie and thereby set off World War I, was a terrorist by most people’s understanding, but he was probably supported by a Serbian nationalist group connected with the Serbian government who theorized that if a major war could be provoked Austria-Hungary would be broken up and a sort of Greater Serbia created.  (They were right.)  So it turns out some terrorists can be agents provocateurs, although it is usually a role reserved for the established order (that is, the police).

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By Robert, April 26, 2010 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

By Leefeller, April 26 at 12:42 pm

“to be gummed to
death”

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Hey weefeller...you sound like you have one or forms of gum disease. A can of gummout will most likely help your current predicament!

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By omop, April 26, 2010 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

Could this be what Noam C. refers to in, Never seen anything like this”...

  the US versus AIPAC.


  http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/25/can-the-u-s-beat-israel-at-
their-game/#respond

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

Damn it Nemis2010, now you have gone and done it,
empowering Robert means we are going to be gummed to
death with his cut and pastey crap. If anyone is
allegedly an AIPAC Troll it could very well be Robert
trying to make us think he is not an AIPAC Troll,......
or Robert thinking he dost not think we know he is or
isn’t a troll,..... that sneaky Robert! 

Robert, it was not only ITW who said he did not read
your cut and pasty crap, I know I mentioned it more than
once, I don’t read your cut and pasty stuff Robert,
(maybe in a drunken Tequila stupor I may have glanced at
one of your cut and pastys by mystake)......,Ribert me
Leefeller, does not read yours or anyones cut and
pastys.  Obnoxiously cut and pasting Ribit is almost
annoying as reading someone like Tennesseeee firing off  
deluded and insulting stuff,  then suddenly switching to
quoting from the bible like he is one of those
obnoxious Watch Tower sales people standing on a street
corner! 

Robert, Just because you lost the number one annoying
slot, doesn’t mean you have to crank it up, though I
noticed your insulting seems to have improved a notch
and you finally posted a link instead of the whole
article, glad to see you were able to learn how to link
Robert.

By the way I can’t stand baseball either Ribet, watching
grown men standing around scratching their asses,
spitting and waving phallic symbols, instead of tea bags
seems like forcing a mohel to listen to the solipsistic
ratings of a circumcised or uncircumcised philistine
wearing a sweater bragging about his man thing!

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By Anarcissie, April 26, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist, April 26 at 1:53 am:
‘Anarcissie, I think that the only solution i see for USA is The Ubermensch (The Overman), you can find out more about these types of human beings who are superior in power to the average slaves in the book “Thus Spoke Zarathustra” and “The Will to Power”. ...’

I just read Nietzsche for the poetry.  In any case, my impression of the contemporary Übermensch is that he must be a lonely fellow and not much of a political activist.  Politics suggests that one is going to enter the community, and presumably if one is going to bring about peace, equality and freedom there one must practice peace, equality and freedom, for the tools will leave their marks on the materials.  One can’t spend a lot of time worrying about one’s superiority.

Historically, the vanguardist theories of the likes of Blanqui and Nechaev, actually implemented by Lenin, Mao, and several others, have not worked out in a revolutionary manner.  Power corrupts, and the vanguard inevitably becomes a new ruling class, against whom yet another revolution will be necessary.  I suggest that these futile cycles of violence and disaster be skipped.  Let there be an irreconcilable difference between the freedom of the Left and the violence of the state.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie - Maybe the definition of terrorist needs,
in the neo-age of unbridled violence against people,
to be inclusive as classically defined in the spirit of
returning to the purist state of definition, say of
socialism, etc.

terrorist [?t?r?r?st]
noun
(Government, Politics & Diplomacy)
a.  a person who employs terror or terrorism, esp as a political weapon
b.  (as modifier) terrorist tactics
terroristic adj

Any embellishment in definition has been as modifications as needed
by the literary cognoscenti.  Does the distinction really need to be as
redefined for agent provocateur as you are suggesting, any more?  I
don’t find anything about the murder of people either by non-state
terrorist activity or state sanctioned infiltration humorous.  Of course
late night comedians might.  I understood what you meant earlier.  It
presumes that the agents are mindless automatons of the government
who are not intent on being killed in the process.  5 Yups there does
exist that motive in human action.  One can only think of the IRA and
their deceptions.  I know it happens at a magnitude uncalculable.  I
think of Idi Amin’s or Charles Taylor’s army who murdered on behalf of
the state, the mindless suicide bombers of Islam, the Crusaders who
murdered countless non-Christians, mostly but them too at times, in
the name of a god as well.  Yup, agent provocaters, in the name of
Louis XV.  They used to be called

Did you know there is a luxury fashion brand Agent Provocateur? 
Advertised on Twitter and other “push” media? Even more ‘humorous’ is
the Agent Provocateur comic book-catalogue, as said online, featuring
a Barbarella type futuristic sci-fi with babes in nipple tassles bordering
on that ever male hypnotic porn.  hahaha so much for intrigue, where
the definition of intrigue takes on a slightly rose-colored tinge.  (Now
don’t all you prurient-minded men break your necks (uh computer
fingers getting there!)

Oh, I won’t get the players wrong, but I can see that those who will are
part of the ersatz humor.

Just as an added piece of humor, see youtube provided here below of
Impelliteri - performing “Perfect Crime”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCdsOTX8DRI

Heavy metal but then what kind of band would be more ‘perfect?’ What
is even more ironic is that the video was submitted by ThePrudhomme
(I presume named after the allegedly first individual to call himself an
anarchist in late 18th century France René FrançoisArmand (Sully)
Prudhomme).  Another case of six degrees of separation or something
in that vein?

Yes, there are several formatting problems on Truthdig that I’ve gone
into on other forums.  Double posting is just one of them.  I’ve figured
out a couple of them, but they are too intricate to go into here.

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By Anarcissie, April 26, 2010 at 8:16 am Link to this comment

I find it odd that so many of my messages are doubled by the Truthdig blog software lately.  While I think well of my own writing, I don’t think it needs to be posted twice.  People can read just one copy as many times as they want!

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ofersince72, April 26 at 7:59 am #

ITW ..take a joke…you have called me everything from
a stupid hillbilly to a moron (I am both).

**********************************************

I did.  And you are!  (J/K smile )  I’ve been called a lot of names here, but it gets repetitive as they are mostly the same.

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By Anarcissie, April 26, 2010 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous—You seem to be mixing up “agent provocateur” with “terrorist”.  We usually define terrorists as non-state actors, whereas agents provocateurs are usually police or military of some kind.  The function of the agent provocateur is not to blow himself up, but to get you to blow yourself up, especially in such a way as to disadvantage your cause (or what the a.p. believes is your cause).

For example, back in the 1960 a fellow went around the colleges and hippie neighborhoods like the Lower East Side (of NYC) talking about how it was time to “off the pig” and how he knew where to get explosives.  He finally collected some not-too-bright people, one of whom I knew personally, and said he had a van with duffel bags full of dynamite and other needed equipment, and he just needed some people to help him carry the stuff into a Federal building which was to be the target of the bombing.  On the appointed night the suckers got into the van which indeed contained serious-looking duffel bags.  Once they were all inside, the organizer said he had to get some cigarettes and got out.  A minute later the van was surrounded by cops and the suckers were arrested.  All of them were sent up for long terms, like ten or twenty years.  The organizer turned out to be working with the police, of course.

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By Anarcissie, April 26, 2010 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous—You seem to be mixing up “agent provocateur” with “terrorist”.  We usually define terrorists as non-state actors, whereas agents provocateurs are usually police or military of some kind.  The function of the agent provocateur is not to blow himself up, but to get you to blow yourself up, especially in such a way as to disadvantage your cause (or what the a.p. believes is your cause).

For example, back in the 1960 a fellow went around the colleges and hippie neighborhoods like the Lower East Side (of NYC) talking about how it was time to “off the pig” and how he knew where to get explosives.  In those days people were very angry about the war and some of them figured one response to bombing was bombing.  The organizer finally collected some not-too-bright people, one of whom I knew personally, and said he had a van with duffel bags full of dynamite and other needed equipment, and he just needed some people to help him carry the stuff into a Federal building which was to be the target of the bombing.  On the appointed night the suckers got into the van which indeed contained serious-looking duffel bags.  Once they were all inside, the organizer said he had to get some cigarettes and got out.  A minute later the van was surrounded by cops and the suckers were arrested.  All of them were sent up for long terms, like ten or twenty years.  The organizer turned out to be working with the police, of course.

Many jokes can be cracked at the expense of such people and events, but you do need to get the players right or you’ll be part of the humor.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

In Iran, ofersince72, it is by fiat.

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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 3:59 am Link to this comment

ITW ..take a joke…you have called me everything from
a stupid hillbilly to a moron (I am both).


They blow up babies, dogs, cows, pregnant women, other
kinds of women, men, children, horses, cats, wildlife,
and any other thing that gets in their way for oil and
other resources, they corrupt and buy oppressive governments that do the same.

Why do we keep, year after year, decade after decade,
keep putting those same people in office ????

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ofersince72, April 25 at 11:21 pm #

As much as we battle ITW,  I have quite a bit more
respect for you than what was said..
While blogging on the internet should not be confused
with activism…most bloggers are concerned about what
faces our nation.

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Thanks, ofersince72. I really appreciate that. 

Attack me for what I say and what I think and even how I say it.  Attack as hard and as tough as you like. That’s fair game, and this is a tough ballpark.

But attacking my family is real school-yard-level crap.

I’ll give Robert credit for one thing.  I don’t think he as EVER attacked my family.  Me? Yes. My family? No.

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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 12:18 am Link to this comment

Maybe one of the Obama apologists could expain to me
  why the Obama Justice Dept.  prosecutes the
  whistleblowers and just slaps the hands of the
  criminals that were turned in by the whistleblowers

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 11:51 pm Link to this comment

“Every politician in the world is for revolution, reason
  and disarmament, but only in enemy countries,
  not their own.”

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 25, 2010 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, I think that the only solution i see for USA is The Ubermensch (The Overman), you can find out more about these types of human beings who are superior in power to the average slaves in the book “Thus Spoke Zarathustra” and “The Will to Power”.  I really think that the US left needs to applyt he ideology of The Superman because it will take the creation of a caste of superior individuals to change this country, to conquer all obstacles like FBI, CIA, COINTELPRO.  The superman is the meaning of the earth

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

I checked out the websites and I have heard of such covert
activities but the term did not bring it to mind.  I don’t normally
read or think about such things.  Thank you, Anarcissie.  I do
understand what it means and I won’t forget it.  Or maybe I will…
on purpose.  What I don’t know won’t hurt me?  I imagined that
someday I’ll be shopping at Walmart and a Far Leftist agent
provocateur will quite ‘accidentally’ bump into me as I turned to
pick up a box of imported biscotti and bam…there She goes.
I’ve been told I have some histrionic talent and a touch of
paranoia, but nothing like Tennessee-Socialist.  My goodness, I
don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone go so freaky on Truthdig before.

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

I agree with that..

  I haven’t yet figured the gender out

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By Robert, April 25, 2010 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

By nemesis2010, April 25 at 5:21 pm #

@ Robert:

ITW…you are such a hypocrite! You have been hurling insults & slurs since your initial start-up on TD! -Robert

You nailed it! You are 100% correct! ITW is a hypocrite, and hurls slurs and insults. Then whines like a little baby about how he(?) has been insulted and offended and cries that he can’t claim to be an ex-Jew because there’s no such thing as an ex-Jew and that he(?) is doomed to a life of martyrdom—not of his own choosing—and forced to melodramatically bear that “cross”, (as only a melodramatic, self-loathing Jewish messiah can), because all the world is anti-Semitic, hates all Jews and are Jew-hating Nazis. What drama! What feigned outrage! What delusion! What a load of feces!

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Well that ITW is nothing but a pithy heckler & his ways/habits are so transparent. He is on TD for damage control when the topic of his beloved Israel/Zionism comes up. Diversions,  distractions, slurs, name-calling, smearing attempts, hasbara…etc…are ITW’s tactics to sway readers from reading the truth/facts on the topic(s) of the Israeli/Palestinian/Arab conflict. I remember that he started to discuss “baseball” on one of the threads…yes…baseball!

For a long, long time ITW has been telling everyone that he does NOT read my posts and I have requested from him on numerous times not to read them at all… “Please do not read what I post”.

I like to post news topics that people don’t get a chance to see on the zionist/AIPAC controlled US News Media outlets.

So that whimpering ITW with continue with his chronic and pithy whining til the cows come home…so what!

The posting will continue & here is one about what AIPAC is doing on more than 370 American College/University/High School Campuses. Click on link for details & video:


How AIPAC Takes Over In Its Own Words

In front of a cheering throng, Kessler announced:

“We’re going to make certain that pro-Israel students take over the student government and reverse the vote. That is how AIPAC operates in our nation’s capitol. This is how AIPAC must operate on our nation’s campuses.”

http://alisonweir.org/

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By firefly, April 25, 2010 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist,

Very much enjoyed your poem. Did you write it?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 25, 2010 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

THE WORLD IS RULED BY SATAN, AND HIS SYSTEM IS CAPITALISM

ANOTHER THING THAT YOU CAN DO TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY FROM CAPITALISTS AND CAPITALISM (THE POLITICAL-ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF SATAN) IS TO WEAR THE ARMOR OF GOD

http://www.crossroad.to/Victory/Armor.htm#what

What is the Armor of God?

God’s armor brings victory because it is far more than a protective covering. It is the very life of Jesus Christ Himself. “[P]ut on the armor of light,” wrote Paul in his letter to the Romans, “...clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Romans 13:12-14) When you do, He becomes your hiding place, and shelter in the storm—just as He was to David. Hidden in Him, you can count on His victory, for He not only covers you as a shield, He also fills you with His life.

“I am the vine; you are the branches,” said Jesus. “If a man abides in Me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.” (John 15:5)

Since living in the safety of the armor means oneness with Jesus, we can expect to share His struggles as well as His peace. Remember, God has promised us victory in the midst of trials, not immunity from pain. So “do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you, but rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ…” (1 Peter 4:12-13) Christian heroes who have been tortured for their faith continue to testify to the supernatural strength—even joy—that enables them to endure unthinkable pain.

They affirm with Paul -

“that in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us…. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers…. will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 8:37-39)

This wonderful truth has become reality to all who believe and follow Jesus. When you put on His armor, His life surrounds you, keeping you safe, close to Himself, and free to be His precious friend and trusted companion. So “put on Christ.” (Galatians 3:27) He is your victory!

How do I “put on” God’s Armor?

This life in Christ begins with learning, affirming, and trusting in each part of the armor. The first part is truth—God’s revelation of all that He is to us, all that He has done for us, and all that He promises to do for us in the days ahead. This enduring truth is written in the Bible, revealed by the Holy Spirit, and realized through Jesus Christ. It cuts through all the world’s distortions, deceptions, and compromises. When you study, memorize, live, and follow truth, it enables you to see the world from God’s high vantage point. Putting on the first piece of the armor means feeding on truth through daily Bible reading and making it part of yourself.

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By Anarcissie, April 25, 2010 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous—An agent provocateur is a person inserted into a target group whose function is to commit, threaten or inspire some act which the police can then use as a pretext to attack the entire group.  They don’t need to be particularly emotional and they don’t need to actually murder anyone, at least not directly.

I suppose the most famous instances of their use in recent history were the works of COINTELPRO.  See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cointelpro
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

Anyone planning to engage in any sort of activism of which the authorities may not approve needs to know about the practice.  Anyone who has engaged in such activism to any extent can tell them.

That includes y’all fire-eating revolutionaries out there.

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment

Omer Kahdr is 23 years old, he was picked up by U.S.
troops when he was a 15 year old boy and has been held
at GTMO since.  He is charged with throwing a grenade
at U.S. troops. (if you care to believe the U.S. version)

I the U.S. version is true, I believe that he probably
thought that it was a box of candy that one of the troops
had dropped and was returning it…OR

I knew it was a grenade and was trying to save his
mother’s life

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment

As much as we battle ITW,  I have quite a bit more
respect for you than what was said..
While blogging on the internet should not be confused
with activism…most bloggers are concerned about what
faces our nation.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 25, 2010 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

Both my dear wife and I were astonished to learn I was a jilted female—and neither of it ever knew it!  Last time I was “jilted” was 26 years ago—6 months before I found the love of my life.  I’m sure you’ll never be so lucky nor so happy as I am.

I’m not surprised Nemesis is the kind of putz who would whip out his schlong after beating a kid up.  Did you make him felate you too? You know, just to prove your power over him, humiliate him even more and show what a “man” you are? After all, you are the type to do that, and you had your schlong out, all ready for it.  Did you forcibly sodomize him too, just to “show him”?  How come you’re not bragging about THAT as well?

Your school yard low-life attempts to belittle me by attacking my parents, now my gender and spousal relations show you to be a warped, sick mind of no moral character.

Then, of course, his protestations that he’s not sexist, racist nor anti-semitic—shades of Bull Connor and “Wha, summa mah bes’ frens are nigras.”

Finally, there’s the obvious pairing up with Red Herring Robert.  While great minds may run in the same track, in their case it’s more like fools think alike.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 25, 2010 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

The very culture in Washington has become one of subservience to financial and corporate elites. Our leaders’ mouths speak words of patriotism, or reflect popular concerns, but their souls, as in a horror film, are possessed by vampires.  We are ruled by capitalist-puppets.

Nothing in this world is forever, the capitalists and their puppets will be overthrown by we the people


Puppets they were, and puppets they be,
surrounded always by grand pageantry.
Great words they told us, and sometimes were witty,
as they danced to the tune of this little ditty.
Lyndon Baines Johnson, bless his poor soul,
drove the economy into a deep hole.
While Vietnam made the treasury bereft,
a weapons-economy is what we were left.

Nixon went on with the dogs of war,
racking up body-counts to his score.
He tossed out gold to vampires’ delight,
but he had to go as his ratings were slight.

In Vietnam’s wake dreaded peaceniks abounded,
so Carter stepped in, and the hawks rebounded.
He plays the bungler while hostages cower,
and thus the humbled right was swept back to power.

Reagan the salesman plied well his trade,
of economic destruction he was not afraid.
He talked loud of freedom and lies to us fed,
while looting ran rampant and capital fled.

Bush the Elder the deserts did storm,
new weapons were tested and showed deadly form.
For full-spectrum dominance no cost was spared,
and a New World Order was proudly declared.

Clinton brought liberals back to the fold,
while setting the stage for treason most bold.
He split up the Balkans to get at their wealth,
but his main job was NAFTA, subversion by stealth.

Bush the Junior, from a family of Nazis,
blew up the Trade Center and blamed it on proxies.
Constitution and economy he put to the axe,
preparing for treason’s final contracts.

Obama the silver-tongued devil did say,
big changes for us he would bring in his day.
To the clutching vampires he wrote out blank checks,
now in debt forever, we’re up to our necks.

The republican vision has thus had its day,
the American dream has just passed away.
The vampires now have the world in their fangs,
delivered by our leaders in traitorous gangs.

A New World Order they’re bringing to thee,
Ein Bank! Ein Führer! Eine Welt! is to be.
Perhaps it is time, my good friends to think,
of what brave people do, when they stand on the brink.

We played junior partner in the republican dream,
the dream turned to nightmare, but no use to scream.
It’s all up to us now, the whole world to save,
from the vampires’ clutches, lest we all be slave.

Only together do we stand a chance,
so neither with party nor creed take a stance.
On theory and religion, we’ll never agree,
just try it, and sooner or later you’ll see.

What binds us together is our brotherhood,
you’d think that by now it was well understood.
Take the hands of your neighbors and all who surround you,
and help build the world that you want around you.

The path of big scale has shown us its ways,
with resources squandered, while poverty stays.
The small scale local is where we can start,
and mutual-sufficiency must be our art.

Sounds boring and humble I can only agree,
but who said that life was to be just a spree?
Yet when we together find community,
I think our rewards will be ample to see.

The big system’s broken, it never was sound,
we need to start over, right from the ground.
It won’t be easy and problems abound,
But others have scouted and answers were found.

As for the vampires, in their penthouse lairs,
their power lies not in their notes and their shares.
It’s only because all of us do their bidding,
that they still upon their grand thrones are sitting.

When we get our community voices together,
they’ll be brought down like a falling feather.
The global strike is our peaceful weapon,
their minions don’t show, when their buttons they press on.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 25, 2010 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

BeanerECMO: what foreign threat do you see against USA? 9-11 was done by Bush, mossad agents in connection with CIA.  The only real foreign threat to USA is Israel.  USA is a puppet state of Isra-hell right now. Go to this blogger, to see the real truth of 9-11:

http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/

America needs a revolutionary war against Democrats, Republicans, capitalism and against Israel (The real enemies of USA).  Democrats, Republicans, capitalism and Israel have destroyed the living standards of most americans.

What USA needs is a socialist Workers-State, a government ruled by workers, in favor of workers

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

Much agreed Tennessee !!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 25, 2010 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

FUCK ALL PROGRESSIVE-LIBERALS.  SO MUCH FOR THEIR PROGRESS WHICH IS NOT PROGRESS AT ALL


ofersince72: A marxist leftist in Revleft.com told me, that the greatest enemies of socialism are not the Republican right-wingers, but the progressive-liberals.  Progressives don’t have any ideology, they are not right-wingers, but they are not left-wingers.  In life you cannot be neutral in any thing. That’s like being asexual.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 25, 2010 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

I AM FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING PEOPLE DEFFENDING ADAM SMITH’S FREE MARKETS. FUCK CAPITALISM, FUCK DEMOCRATS, FUCK REPUBLICANS, FUCK THE TEA PARTY, AND FUCK THE US PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS WHO LOVE CAPITALISM.  WE NEED A BLOODY REVOLUTION BOLSHEVIK STYLE RIGHT NOW, ANYBODY WANTS TO JOIN ME?

WITH GUILLOTINES FOR THE RICH PEOPLE PLEASE

IF YOU ARE READY FOR A MARXIST-REVOLUTION IN USA: BEEM UP SCOTTY I AM READY, I CAN’T TAKE SATANIC CAPITALISM ANYMORE !!


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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 25, 2010 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Dear friends: Watch this speech by Dr. Ron Paul, he is saying that the blue-dog fascist zionist Cheney-Democrats want to wage another criminal illegal war, this time against Iran.  This is serious folks.  You have to realize that the people who rule USA are psychopaths and sociopaths.  We are doomed !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QNx-QQ9knc&playnext_from=TL&videos=AuFnTIEmTjw


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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

And the U.S. capitolist government is still the world’s
largest debtor nation that can’t even keep up with the
interest it owes, which is operating this year on a
$1,400,000,000,000.00 deficit and hasn’t produced a
trade surplus, or even balance since forever, whose
infastructure and education system is in the toilet
while we continue to have the prison system be about
our largest growth industry.

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

Boy or boy,  that was the most rediculous generalized
comparison I have ever seen.

  Parroted right from Hot Air man Limbaugh.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

yes, amunaor, you let others do your work for you.  What a lazy windbag.
The Right has their teabaggers, but the left has their Windbaggers. 
Hahaha I am well known to not be on either radical end, but reside very
comfortably in the Democrat left very close to the dividing line between
the Leftists and Rightists.  I am well hated for it, and called all kinds of
vehement names, but my hide is tough.  There is only one other who is a
little more left than I but is also hated because he ridicules everyone up
the wazoo.

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By BeanerECMO, April 25, 2010 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

The only reason the left (Chomsky et al) continue to villify conservatives, without any basis (the violence has come from the left), is that conservatives interfere with their efforts to regulate us into oblivion.

If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
 
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed. 
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he’s in labor and then sues.

If a conservative reads this, he’ll have a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he’s “offended”!

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By amunaor, April 25, 2010 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

RE: Shenonymous, April 25 at 7:35 pm
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I give up!! I rest my case!!

Peace. Best Wishes and Hope

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie,
“Shenonymous—Anarchists who engage in violence as a tactic have a
poor analysis of history, human and primate psychology, and the
present social order.
  Equivocating can be a talent.  Since the
timeline started at 1792 seems that while anarchists have a poor
analysis of history, although allegedly they belong to the intellectual
taxonomic group, they should have some sense of their history.

agent provocateur what a romantic euphemism for emotional
murderers!  Love it.

As I said, holsters loaded.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

Perhaps you need glasses amonoar, try the line Richard Nixon (Vietnam
1969-1974     70,000 (vietnamese civilians betweenJean-Bedel Bokassa
(Centrafrica 1966-79   UNKNOWN and Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala
1982-83   70,000, then see
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam 1963-1968   30,000 between Fidel Castro
(Cuba 1959-1999     30,000 and Hafez Al-Assad (Syria 1980-2000    
25,000. 

This list was incomplete, granted:  Iraq, George Bush, so I that just for
your little lazy brain:  From August 2007, 1,033,000,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Your insults are puny compared to the skill of others.  Maybe you need
to buy an insult book when you go to get those glasses.

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By Anarcissie, April 25, 2010 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous—Anarchists who engage in violence as a tactic have a poor analysis of history, human and primate psychology, and the present social order.

Of course, a lot of violence on the part of people outside the established order is deliberately provoked, because if one has superior physical power and organization, it is a simple matter to overcome one’s targets and do with them as one pleases.  Hence the role of the agent provocateur, of which I have many stories taken from life experience.  Provocation is a common way of dealing not only with political activists but racial and other minorities.

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By amunaor, April 25, 2010 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

((RE: By Shenonymous, April 25 at 5:40 pm #
To put things in perspective: The Worst Genocides of Just the 20th c. Just in case you might want to think about what form of government is worse, better at killing.))
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Perspective!?  Better at killing!? What in the world are you talking about!?
What a blind and conceited pride Shenonymous, and again, self exclusionary.

Nowhere within your roster tyrants, could I find listed the genocide committed by the great U.S. of A. What about all those – as you so politely put referred to – innocent ‘dead bastards’ left in its wake?

Beginning history with the 20th c will not make it disappear.

Columbus did not sail forth upon the Atlantic for reasons of “neutral science” or altruism. He went, as his own diaries, reports, and letters make clear, fully expecting to encounter wealth belonging to others. It was his stated purpose to seize this wealth, by whatever means necessary and available, in order to enrich both his sponsors and himself.

What about the indigenous population; white Europeans slaughtered, so as to make room for ‘horse-thief’ economics?

I need not occupy numerous pages full of names dates and numbers here; but, suffice it to say that the U.S. of A. & C.I. of A. is listed as number one world’s terrorist organization on several rosters out there, including Amnesty International.

Maybe narrowing the focus within your own mind will ease the pain, but it will not go away. There’s plenty to look at, even counting from the 20th c.

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder:
http://www.collateralmurder.com/

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

And we can plainly see nemesis2010 that you have a problem with
women. What another truly sexist remark in addition to your sexist slur to
elisalouisa, to ITW, who has obviously is a man and who has been posting
on TD longer than your big head of hair, “indicates a female behind the
keyboard. And not just any female but a viciously angry female who has
been dumped by her mate; what used to be referred to as a ball-
buster.”
  You must have been one of those dumped and still feel the
sting.

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By elisalouisa, April 25, 2010 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

Revolution?? I never spoke of revolution Nemesis. Taking a stand is not revolution. If everyone took a stand as to the corruption of our government it woouuld set them back on their heels. You suggest that I take up knitting rather than pursue my unreachable goal. What a sexist remark.
We are here to exchange ideas. Obviously, my idea and your idea of what is acceptable in the here and now on this thread are not the same. You cannot equate my response as to some statement with my response to law enforcement where all the power is on the their side. Obviously, when the mighty arm of the law comes down you’d better be ready and conform for there is no equality, they have all the power.  On this thread we should be on equal
ground. Therefore, those circumstances cannot be compared.
As to the video you asked me to watch, I deliberately did not mention it because I also was deeply offended by its contents. I really don’t know what your intent was in asking that I watch it. Again, do you think it told me something I did not already know? Perhaps you were sending a message about what sexism really is in your mindset.
I would like to know your answer to the problems our country faces, that is if you would consider sharing them. You must have definite views especially considering the fact that you find my views laughable (again my assumption.) Your service in Nam must have taught you something besides the size of the enemy, oh excuse, they are our friends now.  I just bought a piece of clothing the other day that was made in Vietnam. Keep it on the hush hush though as I haven’t told my unemployed friends who served in Nam.

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By Anarcissie, April 25, 2010 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

The big quotes emanate from Truthdig, and probably reflect the way their blog program processes the blockquote tag.  I think if you use blockquote (in HTMLish angle brackets) you’ll get the mouse ears.

Let’s
give
it
a
try….

Voilà!

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

Well I see I spoke too soon of your ability to eschew sarcasm
Anarcissie.  I make mistakes.  Ah, and so it goes.  I do admit though to
not being the omniscient walking vocabulary, but thank you for
thinking so.  I know, I know…I am not the deity you might have
envisioned.  Goddesses with clay feet have a hard time walking in those
poorly fitting shoes, She is not Cinderella either, not expecting a prince
charming to really exist.  Sigh…  mirth follows such an expression

Perhaps the Mother Ship is visiting other parts of the Universe at the
moment?  I hope it gave a wave to the Sirens of Titan if it went by
there.

The consistent libertarian or anarchist, however, can’t be a fan of
violence, and if socialism is considered an expression of autonomy,
self-rule, personal freedom, as its admirers propose, then I don’t think
socialism can be attached to or implemented by a state. 

The Haymarket affair sometimes called the Haymarket riot or
Haymarket massacre was a disturbance that took place on Tuesday May
4, 1886, at the Haymarket Square in Chicago, and began as a rally in
support of striking workers. An unknown person threw a bomb at
police as they dispersed the public meeting. The bomb blast and
ensuing gunfire resulted in the deaths of eight police officers and an
unknown number of civilians.  In the internationally publicized legal
proceedings that followed, eight anarchists were tried for murder. Four
were put to death, and one committed suicide in prison.

The Haymarket affair is generally considered to have been an important
influence on the origin of international May Day observances for
workers. In popular literature, this event inspired the caricature of “a
bomb-throwing” anarchist.

http://homicide.northwestern.edu/pubs/anarchy/
Please see page 639 of Chapter XXXVII Anarchy Now.
There is an entire “bloody history of anarchism,” 1792-2010 at

http://www.google.com/search?
q=The+bloody+history+of+anarchists&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=p&tbs=tl:1,tl_
num:100&ei=mrfUS6PxBdTxlQefkqGkDw&oi=timeline_navigation_bar&ct;
=timeline-navbar&cd=3&ved=0CKUCEMsBKAQ

A rather long website address but anarchist bloodshed is a
contemporary blight.  For 2009 alone shows a hundred incidents of
violence from January 4, 2009 to December 30. 
See
http://www.google.com/search?
q=The+bloody+history+of+anarchists&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=p&tbs=tl:1,tl_
num:100,tll:2009,tlh:2009&ei=prfUS4-
dCMmalgeQ0rWTBA&oi=toolbelt_timeline_result&resnum=100&ct=timel
ine-date&ved=0CNkDEM0BMGM
Yup another long web address.  These have to be hand copy/pasted
into a browser for linking.

Good luck with your species of anarchy which is more opaque than
opaque, and I don’t have a word for that.

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By OzarkMichael, April 25, 2010 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, how do you make that nifty quotation symbol?

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By amunaor, April 25, 2010 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

((RE: nemesis2010, April 25 at 5:03 pm

Leefeller:
You serve as a perfect example of one of the main problems with all the bleeding heart liberals…))
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As opposed to what; the cold calculating heart of a ‘con-servative artist’, who what whack their own granny just to steal a dollar from her purse?

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder:
http://www.collateralmurder.com/

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Anarcissie, April 25, 2010 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, April 25 at 3:41 pm:
‘I wouldn’t say impervious, Anarcissie, to socialism, but difficult to convince as the argument would have to transcend the socialist doctrinaire discharge of the individual. ...’

It would have to transcend the gap in your vocabulary.

As to the bit about violence, note that the state is precisely a social instrument of coercion, with various forms of violence (war, imperialism, terror, imprisonment, theft, fraud, propaganda, and so on) in its array of tools.  Fans of any sort of state can’t fault others (fans of other sorts of state, or of no state) with the use of violence without faulting themselves.  Violence corrupts even the most liberal states: that is why there are American troops fighting in several countries today, although none of these countries have attacked the United States.  Other states have much worse records.

The consistent libertarian or anarchist, however, can’t be a fan of violence, and if socialism is considered an expression of autonomy, self-rule, personal freedom, as its admirers propose, then I don’t think socialism can be attached to or implemented by a state.  Obviously others think otherwise, but I don’t see them overcoming my logic or the evidence of history.

Oh, well, I suppose this is all very opaque.  I should probably ask for a better Neptunian-English dictionary from the Mother Ship.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

To put things in perspective: The Worst Genocides of Just the 20th c.
Just in case you might want to think about what form of government is
worse, better at killing. (Just follow the numbers)  Aren’t they all dead
bastards?

Mao Ze-Dong (China 1958-61 and 1966-69 Tibet 1949-50        
49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39         23,000,000 (the purges plus
Ukraine’s famine
Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945     12,000,000 (concentration
camps and civilians WWII   Leopold II of Belgium (Congo 1886-1908    
UNKNOWN
Hideki Tojo (Japan 1941-44         5,000,000 (civilians in WWII  
Ismail Enver (Turkey 1915-20     1,200,000 Armenians (1915
                350,000 Greek Pontians and
                480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22
                500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia 1975-79         1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea 1948-94     1.6 million (purges and
concentration camps       Menghistu (Ethiopia 1975-78        
1,500,000 Yakubu
Gowon (Biafra 1967-1970         1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan 1979-1982   900,000 J
ean Kambanda (Rwanda 1994     800,000 Suharto (East Timor) ,
West Papua, Communists
        1966-98     800,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88        
600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987         570,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan 1937-39     500,000? (Chinese civilians
Jonas Savimbi (Angola 1975-2002     400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan 1986-2001          
400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda 1969-1979         300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan 1970-71       300,000 (Bangladesh    
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia 1936; Libya 1934-45; Yugoslavia WWII  
300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire 1965-97     UNKNOWN
Charles Taylor (Liberia 1989-1996     220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leon 1991-2000   200,000 Michel
Micombero (Burundi 1972         150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia1992-99   100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan 1989-1999     100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica 1966-79   UNKNOWN
Richard Nixon (Vietnam 1969-1974     70,000 (vietnamese civilians
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala 1982-83   70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti 1957-71     60,000
Hissene Habre (Chad 1982-1990     40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan 1947     30,000 (popular uprising
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR 1917-20     30,000 (dissidents executed
Francisco Franco (Spain         30,000 (dissidents executed after
the civil war
Fidel Castro (Cuba 1959-1999     30,000
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam 1963-1968   30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria 1980-2000     25,000
Khomeini (Iran 1979-89         20,000
Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe 1982-87   Ndebele minority        
20,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina 1976-83     13,000
Guy Mollet (France 1956-1957     10,000 (war in Algeria
Harold McMillans (Britain 1952-56 Kenya’s Mau-Mau rebellion      
10,000
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone 1997       6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide 1993-2001   3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile 1973     3,000
Al Zarqawi (Iraq 2004-06         2,000

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By OzarkMichael, April 25, 2010 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

omop said to me For your information. I showed your entire commentary to a lawyer friend and
have asked him if in his opinion I have grounds to bring it to the attention of the law enforcement agencies. I expect his answer in a week or so.

Please omop, take my post to a lawyer. Take it to the police station. Take it to the FBI. Show them the whole thing, the “entire commentary”.

And you say that something will happen next week? I wonder what might happen? This is exciting!

Except we both know that nothing will happen this week.

Or the next week.

Or the week after that.

And with each passing week, omop’s reputation will shrivel. It will be exposed as ineffective and impotent, just soft mush that cant rise up off the floor to accomplish anything.

Do you know why? I will tell you why.

Because my post had a perfectly accurate quote of omop in Nazi sympathizer mode. So omop wont show my “entire commentary” to anyone. He wouldnt dare! Anyone who sees it will realize he is a Nazi sympathizer and they might even call the FBI to investigate him. So omop will do nothing.

You might as well admit it omop. You got nothin’. You know nothin’. You did nothin’. And you will do…

nothin’. 

Admit it now and I will let you off the hook. Honesty might make a man out of you. Otherwise omop, as the weeks go by, you will become known as the Truthdig poster-boy for impotence.

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By nemesis2010, April 25, 2010 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

@ Robert:

ITW…you are such a hypocrite! You have been hurling insults & slurs since your initial start-up on TD! -Robert

You nailed it! You are 100% correct! ITW is a hypocrite, and hurls slurs and insults. Then whines like a little baby about how he(?) has been insulted and offended and cries that he can’t claim to be an ex-Jew because there’s no such thing as an ex-Jew and that he(?) is doomed to a life of martyrdom—not of his own choosing—and forced to melodramatically bear that “cross”, (as only a melodramatic, self-loathing Jewish messiah can), because all the world is anti-Semitic, hates all Jews and are Jew-hating Nazis. What drama! What feigned outrage! What delusion! What a load of feces!

That’s why I stated, earlier, that there’s nothing to fear about revolution in the U.S. IMO, Chomsky dropped the ball big time on this one.

Revolution from the teabagger right can be quickly quelled by having a sale on all XXX sized, camouflage and Real Amurikan flag clothing (made in China) at Wal Mart. If the revolution is from the left all one has to do is say anything a liberal finds offensive—such as a comment about sweaters—and that’s the end of the revolution. I bet if Washington and Jefferson could see what has become of this nation they’d puke their guts up in disgust. 
 
How are these people going to find the courage to stand against Power and, as Louisa put it, “set them (Power) back on their heels” when they can’t even handle differing opinions, reason, logic, being teased, feeling offended, etc. What the hell are they going to “feel” when Power shouts out that all their mothers wear army boots?

Has anyone thought that perhaps ITW might be an AIPAC troll?

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By nemesis2010, April 25, 2010 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

@ ITW:

I’ve lost count. Is this Act IV, Scene 5 of “As the Martyrdom Goes” or is it ACT VII, Scene 3, of “Oy Vey! Der Jüdische Selbsthass”?

And before you go into Joe Liberman whine mode… No, I’m not a bigot or a facist. Neither am I anti-Semitic (Semites being both Hebrews and Arabs, right?) No, I don’t hate Jews. I really enjoy Jon Stewart and Lewis Black; I even dated Emily Goldstein from the old neighborhood. At 14 I did beat up Avram Hirsch because he was in love with Emily and jealous and called me a filthy uncircumcised Philistine. And I’ll admit that after beating him up, while he was still on the ground crying, I whipped out my schlong—or schlort or schledium, depending with whom one is being compared to—to prove that there was no way I could be an uncircumcised Philistine. Philistine maybe, but uncircumcised? No way!  But that had nothing to do with Jew hatred or anti-Semitism; it was all about love of Emily. By the way, Emily and Avram married. I like to think the size of the schlong scared her off!

You need to learn the differences between anti-Semitism, Nazism, etc. and someone simply not liking YOU because you’re a snitty whiner and hypocrite. One is not anti-Semitic, a Jew hater, or a Nazi simply because one can’t stand you. When one is all of those (anti-Semitic, a Jew hater, or a Nazi Jew hater), one maintains a bias, a bigotry, a prejudice, a hatred, etc. against the entire corporate body of those called Jews. When someone can’t stand you, ITW, it’s more than likely about your being a jerk and has nothing whatever to do with your supposedly being Jewish —especially since you’ve said that you are kind of an ex-Jew, right? Isn’t that what you meant when you said that a Catholic can be an ex-catholic and a Baptist an ex-Baptist but that you—albeit not a practitioner or believer in Judaism—cannot be an ex-Jew? (I really fail to see the logic in that.)
 
Do you realize that I would not have known you were an ex-Jew Jew unless you had mentioned it about 42 million, kazillion, times? I can’t even see if you’re stuffing your face with pork ribs or unleavened bread from where I’m sitting. One might question just how much you really want to be an ex-Jew given that you mention being Jewish—when it is totally unnecessary—about 451 kazillion times a day.


Oy Vey! What chutzpah!

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By nemesis2010, April 25, 2010 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

@ElisaLouisa:

Uhhhh… positive and negative in DC current are identifying labels that have to do with electron flow. Ever hear of AC? Even flow is not flow in the normal sense.

No, the body doesn’t have only two sides (didn’t your Dad ever have to spank your “backside”?) nor are there only two organs.

Mankind has always faced WMDs and biological weapons. The siege of Caffa, the intentional polluting of enemy water supplies, knowingly distributing small pox infected blankets, etc. Nothing has changed except the technology. Our technology is much more advanced; the end result is the same, dead Homo sapiens.

Since about the 16th century men have been able to reach the far corners of the earth; it took longer for a sailing vessel to reach those far corners than it does a missile but when they did finally arrived, the result was pretty much the same; raping, pillaging, death on a massive scale and of course, the gravest of crimes; offending the sensitivities of others.

Mankind has always faced drinking water problems. The fact is that we have much safer and more abundant drinking water today than at any other time in our recorded history.

I don’t have a might makes right attitude; that’s simply you jumping to conclusions again and “acting like you know me when you really don’t. Which I believe is one of your many grievances. It’s called having a double standard. You can see double standard examples in any post by ITW and ElisaLouisa.

Save me from what exactly? If I die at this very moment I will have had the privilege of experiencing life; quite a full one at that. Do you have even an inkling of understanding of how unique that is?

Upon death our molecular structure begins to break down; our atoms disassemble and become an atomic part of other things; a water drop, a human being, a Ford, a nuclear bomb, etc. There is no remaining molecular structure to retain things like memory, thought, feelings of having been offended, etc. Shouldn’t science be able to see a spark? You said it was energy and where there’s that kind of energy there’s heat—however minute—so there has to be some kind of a trace.

Where can we fine this line of decency that you speak of? Lines of decency are subjective. What you might consider as having crossed the line is for another perhaps only bumping against the line and for yet another no where near the line.

I can’t help but wonder how you expect to “set power on its heals” if what you read on this thread offends your sensitivities so much? What will you do if a law enforcement officer calls you a no good, anti-American liberal nutcase who wears army boots and smells bad? Are you planning to politely tell him that he’s stepped over the line of decency so you’re taking your ball and going home? All you are going to accomplish is to set Power on its arse in laughter at you overly-sensitive fruitcakes.”

Do yourself and the world a favor Elisa; put those thoughts of revolution on the back burner and take up knitting sweaters with thumb holes in the sleeves.

Tell me Elisa; what do you opine of those 3 animals caning that poor little 17 year old in the video? What do you propose as the best way to NONVIOLENTLY get them to see the light and the error of their ways? I don’t know about you; but I was deeply offended by what I saw in that video.

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By nemesis2010, April 25, 2010 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

@ Tennessee-Socialist:

Does repeating what I’ve written here, on at least two different topics about Venezuela and Chávez, make it more credible?

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By nemesis2010, April 25, 2010 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

@ Leefeller:

You serve as a perfect example of one of the main problems with all the bleeding heart liberals on this site and particularly on this thread. You should read the words—all of them—and not jump to baboonish conclusions.

If you feel offended about the sweater comment you’re really going to have problems to find out that at 65 I still have a head full of hair (life simply isn’t fair) and there is hardly any gray whatsoever; a small amount around the temples. I credit that to a tremendously great gene pool which includes a Jewish grandmother, an aboriginal grandmother, and two Irish grandfathers. So much for the superiority of racial purity fallacy!

If you go back and reread ALL of the words you’ll see that I specified a particular type of sweater design that when seen on a male of the species makes him appear effeminate (Andy Dickish). So it’s clear to me that your feeling “offended” by a comment about a sweater really has more to do with your personal insecurities and inferiority complexes than anything else. Have you considered seeking treatment?

The “little” has nothing to do with his(?) physical size but rather his(?) mealy-mouthed way of dealing with anyone who questions his(?) positions, opinions, and knowledge(?), and his(?) incessant, Joe Lieberman-like, whining against those who refuse to be intimidated by his(?) labeling and name calling and decide to give him(?) a taste of his(?) own tactics. It also has to do with his(?) cowardice which is blatantly exhibited all over this particular thread.

NOTE: In the Nam our enemy was a small in stature people. Shortly after our withdrawal from their homeland their army was considered the most badass army on the planet. Size doesn’t matter Leefeller, except maybe in sex; I say “maybe” in sex because who knows if women are lying or not. Come to think of it… There’s also football, baseball, definitely basketball, ummmmm. You’re screwed! Do you think you might like riding fast horses while wearing colorful silk clothing?

I place (?) after any reference to ITW using the masculine to indicate my doubts about ITW’s gender. ITW’s style of commenting—IMO—indicates a female behind the keyboard. And not just any female but a viciously angry female who has been dumped by her mate; what used to be referred to as a ball-buster.

If you admire ITW’s “extensive knowledge” (ROFLMAO!) I can suggest where your commonality lies and it has nothing to do with physical size of the body.

Americans are too easily offended and overly sensitive. Some religious loon chopping your head off after raping your wife and daughters before your very eyes is something that should offend you, not words. Remember “sticks and stones”?

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By amunaor, April 25, 2010 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

((RE: Shenonymous, April 25 at 4:10 pm #

With Klein’s schizophrenic reaction to the economics of Friedman, Shock Doctrine…Capitalism))
*************

Let’s stop with the distractions and self denial; please!!!

Here is schizophrenia and insanity; here is a picture of U.S. ‘Capital’ Machinery at work! Take a look—-

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder:
http://www.collateralmurder.com/

The words, “Just look at that pile of dead bastards” was voiced by one of the shooters in the above video, after they mowed down unarmed civilians, followed by laughter as a tank ran over one of those ‘dead bastards’.

Obviously, you don’t give a shite either. Not only do you turn the other cheek in submission, you avert your eyes to claim ignorance.

As said before:

Sweet bloody dreams!

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

If you are going to quote others, amunaor, you should at least try to
put it in context.  What I said around your cherrypickd quotes are:
  ((By Shenonymous, April 25 at 1:27 am

?It would almost be like forcing the shoe on the completely misshapen
foot of the gawky stepsister.  It might be time to get a new pair of
shoes, or do radical surgery on the foot.))

And the whole quote:

True, it is not always possible for words to be understood quickly. 
And if a word has gone out of fashion or the meaning turned as on a
lathe into a hollow vessel of meaning, having little content, or
moderated so that the original meaning is no longer recognizable, it
becomes a Cinderella of a word, and the old shoe does not fit.  It would
almost be like forcing the shoe on the completely misshapen foot of
the gawky stepsister.  It might be time to get a new pair of shoes, or
do radical surgery on the foot. 

and

((By Shenonymous, April 25 at 3:41 pm?amunaor, that is the classic
Bell Curve approach, or in Plato’s time, the Procrustes Solution as I call
it.))

the quote:

((By Shenonymous, April 25 at 3:41 pm?amunaor, that is the classic
Bell Curve approach, or in Plato’s time, the Procrustes Solution as I call
it.))

In response to your revised statements at 3:35pm today

In this case, amputating both the ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ foot will the clear
the foggy vision!

and

In this case, even the amputation of both the ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ foot
will not the clear the foggy vision!

with ‘not’ diametrically changing the intent of your thought, which is
understandable but my comment applied to either.  So you need to say
which version of yours you think my statement buttresses yours.
Best wishes back, peace and hope the weather stays nice, the squirrels
seem delighted.

I wish to thank you for giving my statements a second life.

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By omop, April 25, 2010 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, April 25 at 4:28 pm #


You still playing the dummy.L?

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By amunaor, April 25, 2010 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

((RE: Shenonymous, April 25 at 4:10 pm #
With Klein’s schizophrenic reaction to the economics of Friedman,
Shock Doctrine…Capitalism))
***

Let’s stop with the distractions and self denial; please!!!

Here is schizophrenia and insanity; here is a picture of U.S. ‘Capital’ Machinery at work! Take a look—-

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder:
http://www.collateralmurder.com/

The words, “Just look at that pile of dead bastards” was voiced by one of the shooters in the above video, after they mowed down unarmed civilians, followed by laughter as a tank ran over one of those ‘dead bastards’.

Obviously, you don’t give a shite either. Not only do you turn the other cheek in submission, you avert your eyes to claim ignorance.

As said before:

Sweet bloody dreams!

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By Leefeller, April 25, 2010 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

Omop,

Trying to be funny again Omop; everyone knows lawyers
don’t have friends!

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By omop, April 25, 2010 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

By OzarkMichael, April 24 at 10:37 pm #

  A quote from you comment, date April 24, @10:37.


“and we know how to use those guns”......use your…. ammunition on omop.


  For your information. I showed your entire commentary to a lawyer friend and
have asked him if in his opinion I have grounds to bring it to the attention of the
law enforcement agncies.
 
  I expect his answer in a week or so.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

With Klein’s schizophrenic reaction to the economics of Friedman,
Shock Doctrine…Capitalism, there is an equal account of manic Disaster
Socialism in the atmosphere today.  And if Anarcissie is holding reason
as the highest virtue, she might want to subscribe to Michael C.
Moynihan and reason.com website though he doesn’t sound as frantic
as either extreme pole.  If anything is sinister, it is the parochial
resurgence of militant socialism, even in view of alleged capitalistic
apocalypse.

That is not much of an argument.  Capitalistic-based nations have the
highest prison population because they represent the largest
population, period.  Did you count second highest imprisoned after the
US’s 2.03 million, predominantly Communistic but decidedly going-
capitalistic-as-we breathe, China, with its 1.51 million or 117 out of
100,000 people imprisoned?  China does not have the second highest
percentage per capita,  Russia, whose communistic flavor is in process
of fading into capitalism like China, is in second place percentage wise
with 865,000 prisoners.  Try more global, or synoptic, thinking, it
would help keep the picture hanging straight.

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