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Posted on Apr 19, 2010
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By Chris Hedges

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Chomsky, because he steps outside of every group and eschews all ideologies, has been crucial to American discourse for decades, from his work on the Vietnam War to his criticisms of the Obama administration. He stubbornly maintains his position as an iconoclast, one who distrusts power in any form.

“Most intellectuals have a self-understanding of themselves as the conscience of humanity,” said the Middle East scholar Norman Finkelstein. “They revel in and admire someone like Vaclav Havel. Chomsky is contemptuous of Havel. Chomsky embraces the Julien Benda view of the world. There are two sets of principles. They are the principles of power and privilege and the principles of truth and justice. If you pursue truth and justice it will always mean a diminution of power and privilege. If you pursue power and privilege it will always be at the expense of truth and justice. Benda says that the credo of any true intellectual has to be, as Christ said, ‘my kingdom is not of this world.’ Chomsky exposes the pretenses of those who claim to be the bearers of truth and justice. He shows that in fact these intellectuals are the bearers of power and privilege and all the evil that attends it.”

“Some of Chomsky’s books will consist of things like analyzing the misrepresentations of the Arias plan in Central America, and he will devote 200 pages to it,” Finkelstein said. “And two years later, who will have heard of Oscar Arias? It causes you to wonder would Chomsky have been wiser to write things on a grander scale, things with a more enduring quality so that you read them forty or sixty years later. This is what Russell did in books like ‘Marriage and Morals.’ Can you even read any longer what Chomsky wrote on Vietnam and Central America? The answer has to often be no. This tells you something about him. He is not writing for ego. If he were writing for ego he would have written in a grand style that would have buttressed his legacy. He is writing because he wants to effect political change. He cares about the lives of people and there the details count. He is trying to refute the daily lies spewed out by the establishment media. He could have devoted his time to writing philosophical treatises that would have endured like Kant or Russell. But he invested in the tiny details which make a difference to win a political battle.”

“I try to encourage people to think for themselves, to question standard assumptions,” Chomsky said when asked about his goals. “Don’t take assumptions for granted. Begin by taking a skeptical attitude toward anything that is conventional wisdom. Make it justify itself. It usually can’t. Be willing to ask questions about what is taken for granted. Try to think things through for yourself. There is plenty of information. You have got to learn how to judge, evaluate and compare it with other things. You have to take some things on trust or you can’t survive. But if there is something significant and important don’t take it on trust. As soon as you read anything that is anonymous you should immediately distrust it. If you read in the newspapers that Iran is defying the international community, ask who is the international community? India is opposed to sanctions. China is opposed to sanctions. Brazil is opposed to sanctions. The Non-Aligned Movement is vigorously opposed to sanctions and has been for years. Who is the international community? It is Washington and anyone who happens to agree with it. You can figure that out, but you have to do work. It is the same on issue after issue.”

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By ofersince72, April 30, 2010 at 12:30 am Link to this comment

so then, all the carnage is just fine.

The ones that volunteer usually have little choice,
either unemployment or the military.

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By Shenonymous, April 30, 2010 at 12:04 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, if you hadn’t noticed, the United States
has an all volunteer army.

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By ofersince72, April 29, 2010 at 11:56 pm Link to this comment

they’re real happy,  they don’t even have to see war
images, just send the kids that have no other option
than to join the military or stay living in poverty.

To them, the war doesn’t exist, never did,  why should
they care what happens halfway around the world, they
have their cell phones and unlimited gasoline to wander
to and fro. La La Ville, is where they are all living

and all the colored girls go , do, de, do ,de, do.

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By ofersince72, April 29, 2010 at 11:29 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee,

Those that are supporting him don’t care about war, as
long as their not the victim,  they would send their
mothers and children just as long as they can ride to
Wal-Mart.

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By Shenonymous, April 29, 2010 at 11:06 pm Link to this comment

Of course there are a lot of medical problems, Anarcissie
for which a bandage and antiseptic salve are not the proper
therapy.  I don’t recall saying it was the panacea for all medical
problems.  Are you saying I did?  Some people love to use the
alcoholic drunk as a lively metaphor.  I do not since I don’t have
much experience at being drunk.  But I have lots of experience being
injured and with broken bones.  I’ve heard your arguments over and
over by many analysts of “the situation.”  I don’t expect the underlying
problems to have been solved from the festering that had been going
on for decades.  It is naive to think they would be so soon.  Whether
they are Bourbons or not remains to be seen.  China has gotten a good
hard look at the abyss and are wisely holding back because if the USA
goes down, which it won’t, so goes China, which it won’t either.

Try the Messenger of Allah: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be
upon him) said: Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of
the swords. A man in a shabby condition got up and said; Abu Musa,
did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say this?
He said: Yes. (The narrator said): He returned to his friends and said: I
greet you (a farewell greeting). Then he broke the sheath of his sword,
threw it away, advanced with his (naked) sword towards the enemy and
fought (them) with it until he was slain. Sahih Muslim Book 020,
Number 4681

Friedrich Nietzsche then borrowed the phrase when he wrote it in his
book, Ecco Homo & The Antichrist where he said, “...People are
silent, people treat me in Germany with a gloomy caution: for years I
have employed an unconditional freedom of speech, for which no one
today, least of all in the “Reich,” has a hand sufficiently free.  My
paradise lies “under the shadow of my sword”... Basically I put in to
practice a maxim of Stendhal’s:  he advised making one’s entry into
society with a duel.

Tennessee-Socialist is a groveller at the feet of Nietzsche so it is
not surprising he would find a Nietzschean phrase to justify his using
unsheathed weapons.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 29, 2010 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE WORLD YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO BOB AVAKIAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE REVOLUTIONARY COMMUNIST PARTY OF USA ON MP3S, HE IS GREAT, HE IS LIKE SLAVOJ ZIZEK, HE IS REAL FUNNY.  REMEMBER MY DEAR COMRADES, HUGO CHAVEZ SAID THAT IT IS THE TASK OF THE LEFT TO WAGE A CYBER-GUERILLA WARFARE AGAINST RIGHT-WINGERS.  SO LET’S CRUSH AND DESTROY THE RIGHT-WING IN THIS WAR OF IDEAS.

http://www.bobavakian.net

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By Anarcissie, April 29, 2010 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, April 29 at 7:26 pm:
’... “I just wish the threat to our economy was past but it isn’t.”  Think of it as a big booboo.  A bandage with some antiseptic salve squeezed on, taped fairly well to protect while the body is brought back to a healthy condition. ...’

There are a lot of medical problems for which a bandage and antiseptic salve are not the proper therapy.  I’ll avoid mentioning dread diseases and just suggest broken bones.

However, I don’t know if we should regard what’s been done as even a bandage.  Just about the same things are being done as were being done before the crash, to wit, the generation of a lot of funny money through low interest rates and, where actual goods need to be acquired, through borrowing lots of money from Japan and China and importing cheesy stuff to play with as the debt soars.  The underlying structural problems have not been solved; they’ve actually been exacerbated.  “Things that can’t go on forever, don’t,” as the man said, but our financial Bourbons, like those of history, have learned nothing and forgotten nothing.

It is true that “we” bought some more time by bringing China and company to the abyss and allowing them to get a good look.  That worked to wring some more money out of them—for the moment.

My analogy would be a drunk who staggers around wildly and finally falls down.  The solution has been to prop him up and give him a lecture and something stronger to drink.  This is not going to work much longer.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 29, 2010 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

MARXISM AND THE WARS ON BEHALF OF ISRA-HELL BY REPUBLICAN PARTY ZIONISTS AND DEMOCRAT ZIONISTS LOYAL TO ISRA-HELL NOT TO USA !!

http://www.socialistappeal.org/faq/marxism_and_war.html


In order to conduct an effective struggle against war, it is first necessary to understand the causes of war, and this is only possible if we grasp the class interests behind wars. Lenin explained long ago that capitalism means war.  In the present epoch of capitalist decline this is truer than when it was first written. The global crisis of capitalism expresses itself as general instability - economic, political and military. This is the starting point for Marxists, and must be understood by all class-conscious workers and youth. Imperialist war is the continuation and sharpening of the predatory politics of the bourgeoisie. The struggle of the proletariat against war is the continuation and sharpening of its class struggle. The beginning of war alters the situation and partially the means of struggle between the classes, but not the aim and basic course.

Trotsky described the outbreak of WWI in his autobiography My Life:

“Buchanan, the former British ambassador to St. Petersburg, speaks with exaltation in his memoirs of ‘those wonderful early August days’ when ‘Russia seemed to have been completely transformed.’ There is similar exaltation in the memoirs of other statesmen, although they may not embody the self-satisfied fatuity of the ruling classes with the completeness of Buchanan. All the European capitals were having equally ‘wonderful’ days in August. They were all entirely ‘transformed’ for the business of mutual extermination…

“…The people whose lives, day in and day out, pass in a monotony of hopelessness are many; they are the mainstay of modern society. The alarm of mobilization breaks into their lives like a promise; the familiar and long-hated is overthrown, and the new and unusual reigns in its place. Changes still more incredible are in store for them in the future. For better or worse? For the better, of course what can seem worse to [the average worker] than ‘normal’ conditions?

“I strode along the main streets of the familiar Vienna and watched a most amazing crowd fill the fashionable Ring, a crowd in which hopes had been awakened. But wasn’t a small part of these hopes already being realized? Would it have been possible at any other time for porters, laundresses, shoemakers, apprentices and youngsters from the suburbs to feel themselves masters of the situation in the Ring? War affects everybody, and those who are oppressed and deceived by life consequently feel that they are on an equal footing with the rich and powerful. It may seem a paradox, but in the moods of the Viennese crowd that was demonstrating the glory of the Hapsburg arms I detected something familiar to me from the October days of 1905, in St. Petersburg. No wonder that in history war has often been the mother of revolution.

“...Like revolution, war forces life, from top to bottom, away from the beaten track. But revolution directs its blows against the established power. War, on the contrary, at first strengthens the state power which, in the chaos engendered by war, appears to be the only firm support and then undermines it…”

To approach war from a purely sentimental or pacifist standpoint is a futile exercise. It would be like a doctor who, instead of providing an accurate diagnosis and appropriate medicine, limited himself to weeping tears over the patient’s symptoms. The patient may be grateful for this display of sympathy, but will not derive much benefit from it. Wars cannot be prevented by the United Nations or by pacifist appeals for peace. War can only be prevented by mass action and by the revolutionary struggle against imperialism and capitalism.

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By ofersince72, April 29, 2010 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment

Dem supporters even believe Chucky Shumer’s
bill is going fix campaign finance..
You can sell some people anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By OzarkMichael, April 29, 2010 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee said this: THE PARADISE LIES UNDER THE SHADOWS OF THE SWORDS.

PARADISE…  that is a strange thing for an atheist leftist revolutionary to say. It also doesnt sound like an old Soviet slogan, although i could be wrong about that.

So please share where that little gem really comes from.

If you dont know i will tell you its origin.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 29, 2010 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

FUCK LIBERTARIANISM, FUCK MILTON FRIEDMAN, FUCK ANTHONY GIDDENS, FUCK JEFFREY SACHS, FUCK LUWIG VON MISES, FUCK ADAM SMITH, FUCK AYN RAND, FUCK THE JOHN BIRSCH INSTITUTE, AND FUCK ALL AYN RAND LIBERTARIANS !!

Obama hates state ownership of corporations and workers ownership of corporations. He loves corporations to be owned by a few oligarch fat-cats (free market libertarianism).  Libertarianism is a scam, libertarianism is oligarchic-dictatorship really, libertarianism is just all corporations owned by a few fat cats

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By ofersince72, April 29, 2010 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

It’s fixed !!! Recovery at last !!!!!

  Forget it TS,  all is well now !!!

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 29, 2010 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

SHENONYMOUS: THE PARADISE LIES UNDER THE SHADOWS OF THE SWORDS. I AM A REVOLUTIONARY NOT A SAINT, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO USE WEAPONS IN A REVOLUTION, HOW DUMB YOU ARE. ALL REVOLUTIONS HAVE WEAPONS.  DO YOU KNOW HOW TO USE WEAPONS?  I AM LIKE WILLIAM SHATNER IN THIS VIDEO:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0D78JtxmqI


THANK GOD FOR GUNS SONNY !!


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By elisalouisa, April 29, 2010 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

Yes, we do have a wild side Nemesis, finally found something we do agree on. My wild side came out this afternoon when on my scooter,  I raced my grandchildren down the hill. What fun with the wind blowing through your hair! You ought to try it. I warn you though, children’s scooters have a weight limit and you most likely are over it, so you may have to broaden your perspective of life in other ways. My way shall include also reading in my treehouse. Much more fun, at least in the good ole’ summertime than debating on a computer. Therefore, I shall bow out of this discussion. I sure there are other debaters more proficient than I who would be willing to take you on. I have enjoyed our exchange.

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By Shenonymous, April 29, 2010 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

Indeed, “Yes their songs drive men mad with bewitchment
to seek them out at peril to their lives. Then they are devoured
as they are in the embrace of that which they now love with
total devotion unto the last scrap of their corpse. “
  For the
metaphor that they are, trade the Siren’s songs for the lure of
wealth which gives power over other men and you’ve got the picture.

“I just wish the threat to our economy was past but it isn’t.”  Think
of it as a big booboo.  A bandage with some antiseptic salve squeezed
on, taped fairly well to protect while the body is brought back to a
healthy condition.  But the wound still has to heal which will take time,
copious amounts of time because the wound was so deep….and wide,
affecting every aspect of not only every American life, but the rest of
the world that suffered a similar economic gash.  It isn’t a function of
whether it is a capitalist or a socialist state,  the trauma to the
bodystates were proportionally the same.  Humans have a bad habit of
being impatient.  The body heals as it can, as does a bodystate.

To use a confabulated euphemism like ultra-rich Dominionists to
characterize a particular corporate power is to put the entire operation
on a level of mythology.  One cannot deal with undescribed
unidentified ghosts.  It allows smass nouns like Dominionist to achieve
individual anonymity, hence no assignment of responsibility is possible. 
The word Domionionist itself conjures some romantically foul iniquity. 
Ready the foils, swash your buckles!  Mass nouns for political breach of
trust, for exploitation, for extortion, and graft, and fraud spreads the
guilt among the faceless and actually perpetrates the depravity that is
seen in all political groups whether it is Democrat, Republican, Green,
Socialist, Soviets, Communist, National Socialist, Liberal, Conservative,
etc.  To blame aggregates is manifestly absurd.  It is like trying to sue
a corporation, there is no there there.  There is no one to sue.  It is a
collective.  That is why corporations are formed, so that it becomes
next to impossible for the entity to be assigned liability for their
corruptions.  They become the perennial “They” and reified as if a
concrete thing so that sharp things can figuratively be lobbed at them. 
Now because of the evil Supreme Court decision to allow corporations
to fund politicians, people will get away with funneling money to
sympathetic candidates prostituting corporations as cloaking devices. 
The Conservative Supreme Court judges Alito, Roberts, Kennedy, Scalia,
and Thomas are the ones responsible, not the Supreme Court.

Tennessee-Socialist, what I think is evil is the fascist attitude you
take when you threaten to use military means to force your idea of
what The American Society must be.  I disagree with your philosophy
completely.  There is nothing in what you have said that gives one
shred of reason why it is better than a democratic regulated capitalistic
government.  Your hypotheticals are unrealistic and your name
dropping has no substance.  Your name-calling is pathetically
adolescent.  Why is the group you synthesized paragons of the virtue
you wish to emulate?  You just name drop.  Your altruism is essentially
boasting and unachievable which is why it is incapable of functioning
effectually.  It is idle talk.  You have the right, at least here in America,
to voice your preferences, your political observations, your choices, but
you do not have the right to threaten the government in acts of
rebellion or sedition.  That is all I am saying.  I do not hate you.  I
abhor your ideas of what is good for my country.

Whatttt!?  Being an anti-royalist through and through, I say down with
the King, down with the Queen!  Monarch butterflies?  Well okay.

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By Leefeller, April 29, 2010 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment

God save the Queen….. and the King if need be!

To hell with this Socialism crap.  We need a king to
keep things in order, a benevolent monarch who will
watch over his children like Popeye the sailor (not the
Popey!)  watching over his charges, Olive Oil or was
that sweet pea?

Everyone knows the Popeye the Sailor Man song, it is
well known and has reported they sing the Popeye the
Salior song,  occasinaly at the GOP Conventions during
lap dances, when they aren’t singing Dixie!

Popeye has many connotations, plus just the simple fact
maybe more people would eat their spinach!

Instead of credit cards we could pay on Tuesday for a
hamburgers we get today.

Guess there will always be a Bluto, always the menacing
arse, trying to screw with someone, like Olive Oil and
taking something away like Sweet Pea.

Yep, we need a Monarch, this Republic stuff is for the
birds and was a big mistake. Even Thomas Jefferson may
agree with me, after hearing the Texas BS with them
trying to impinge on his spot in history.

A Monarch will do nicely, to hell with Socialism and
its sound bite Fox news approach to reality.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 29, 2010 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous: You think i am evil, but i try to be like Jesus Christ, Mandela, Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Hugo Chavez, Cesar Chavez, Luther King, and other people who love the poors. If i was US president i would use my own salary to buy a lot of chickens, turkeys, rice and pasta. And i would cook all those chickens, turkeys, rice and pasta to the homeless and hungry of NY and Washington, DC..  I dont think Obama, Pelosi or any other leader of the US gov. has a soul and heart to do that.  They are soul-less and heart-less, they are philosophical-zombies (They look like humans but are zombies inside)

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 29, 2010 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

TOM MORELLO THE SOCIALIST GUITAR PLAYER OF RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE SAYS THAT WE NEED SOCIALIST SONGS TO FIGHT THE EVIL CAPITALIST SYSTEM RIGHT NOW !!

http://socialistworker.org/2010/04/29/we-need-songs-for-right-now

April 29, 2010

Tom Morello will be celebrating May Day like the socialist radical he is this year.

On April 30, Morello’s folk-singing alter ego the Nightwatchman will be playing at Chicago’s Bottom Lounge at a show put on by the Industrial Workers of the World.

From Rage Against the Machine to the Street Sweeper Social Club, Morello has survived and thrived as a rare breed in today’s musical landscape—a relentless proponent of grassroots struggles for democracy and justice.

Here, he talks to SocialistWorker.org’s Alexander Billet about the show, his work and the role that music has to play in fighting for a better world.


Tom Morello

VERY FEW artists of your profile would play a show for the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW). Why do you think it’s important for you to do so?

WELL, FIRST of all, I’m a card-carrying member of the IWW. And I’ve been a lifelong supporter of labor causes and unions from the time I picked up a guitar.

The Morello family were coal miners in central Illinois, and union values were instilled in me at a very young age. I was very much drawn specifically to the IWW first of all through the music of Joe Hill, who I count as chief among my influences as a songwriter. And I believe that music can be a battering ram for social justice.

The specific event that I’m performing at is also going to be the release of a brand new edition of the IWW’s Little Red Songbook, in which they’ve included the Nightwatchman song “Union Song.” So, it’s meant to celebrate the release of the Songbook, it’s on May Day eve, and it’s maybe just one small part of what it takes to stir the masses.


What you can do
Tickets for the April 30 Tom Morello show at Chicago’s Bottom Lounge, with proceeds benefiting the Industrial Workers of the World, are available on-line.

Visit Tom Morello’s Web site for information about upcoming shows and projects.

YOU MENTIONED the vibrant history of music that runs through the Industrial Workers of the World organization (IWW). Do you see a need to keep that tradition alive in this day and age?

DEFINITELY. I don’t think that it necessarily needs to be contained within folk music. There are many links in the chain of radical and political music. It certainly got a great send-off with artists like Joe Hill, Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie.

But from the Clash and Public Enemy to Rage Against the Machine and System of a Down, there have always been bands that in an unapologetic way stood up for social justice and continue to carry that torch, to build a bridge between a mass audience and important ideas about economic democracy and societal freedom and liberation.

One of the reasons I started writing Nightwatchman songs was that I would often find myself at rallies where the musical component was often songs from the ‘60s or earlier. It felt like there was a real disconnect between these antiwar rallies or union rallies and these kind of old “Kumbaya” jams. We need songs for right now!

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By Anarcissie, April 29, 2010 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

“If violence is utterly useless why is it that those most violent survive?”

I think it’s pretty obvious that the most violent do not survive.  The inability to achieve and sustain maximal violence (and go on living) is part of its romantic mystique.

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By nemesis2010, April 29, 2010 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

elisalouisa, April 28 at 8:56 pm

“You must remember that those in the nonviolent movement do not speak of “survival” as their goal.”

Then you’ve lost already.

elisalouisa, April 28 at 8:56 pm

“So which are you Nemesis, friend or foe?”

To some a friend, to others a foe; to most neither friend nor foe.

elisalouisa, April 28 at 8:56 pm

“’Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good.’” – Gandhi

In Christian mythology the Jesus character is credited with having said something very similar. “Resist not evil.” I have used it many times in debates with pro-war Christians. It goes without saying that it’s not a verse oft times heard from AmeriCorp pulpits.

In your opinion; is all war evil? Are you opposed to war under any circumstances?

elisalouisa, April 28 at 8:56 pm

“ One can reasonably conclude from your comment that all the WMDs Israel and the U.S. possess will not prevent some sort of confrontation. Yet, you assure me that being well armed is the key to preventing confrontation.”

Reasonably? I beg to differ. You’re making far too many myopic assumptions. 

Yes, confronting power with power is key to preventing confrontation. It’s not fool proof. There are situations where one, or both, side(s) of a disagreement believe(s) that rewards outweigh the risk. That’s when it is especially important to be powerful.

Deterrence.

Where’s your historical evidence Elisa for nonviolent achievements? (The pink revolution doesn’t count because there was no central government left.)

elisalouisa, April 28 at 8:56 pm

“What does that do and say for our genetic pool in future years Nemesis? Assuming this is true, would you really like to live in a thoroughly violent world. One of course would have to be even more violent than others and continue that downward spiral to wild animalisation.”

You really need to broaden your perspective of life on this earth Elisa.

It’s the same genetic gene pool that gave us enlightenment, medical science, physics, etc. Homo sapiens’ ability to reason is what has helped our species to advance as far as it has. Long ago our species learned that cooperating enhanced our chances of survival more than conflict. There was a point in our evolutionary process where scientists believe there were no more a few thousand of us left. But the race survived.


We live on a tiny planet in a far away corner of a very astonishing and frightening universe that is not conducive to our form of life. We’re like a grain of sand in the desert. There are so many things that can happen to us every single day; things over which we have absolutely no control. Look at the havoc a single volcanic eruption caused.

Elisa, we are wild animals. Well, I know I am, because I’ve had many women tell me that in bed. Bwaaaaaaaaaa! smile

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By Night-Gaunt, April 29, 2010 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

My mistake on the identification of the Siren. Yes their songs drive men mad with bewitchment to seek them out at peril to their lives. Then they are devoured as they are in the embrace of that which they now love with total devotion unto the last scrap of their corpse. To quote Cthuloo “yum, yum!”

I just wish the threat to our economy was past but it isn’t. The same things that were done before are going on now—-on our money used to bail them out. We are still at risk of a financial collapse only the money won’t be there this time—unless things like SS and Medicar/Medicaid go unfunded. Won’t that be a crock.

We spend 60% on our military, DHS, Veterans & Black budget. (BB) is estimated)
6% Health & Human Srv.
6% Transportation
4% State & other International programs
4% HUD
4% Education
4% Other agencies
2% Energy
2% Agriculture
2% Justice
1% EPA
1% NASA
1%Commerce
1% Labor
1% Treasury
1% Dept. of Interior

[All numbers rounded off.]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/budget

What does this tell you? It tells me that the ultra-rich Dominionists are well on their way to finish completion of their external empire build up as the internal part is allowed to decay or be given over to business to run at our expense. The end product is our gov’t will fail, they will swoop in to “save” us. They they will come in after the shock has been done and rebuild the country along their lines of corporate-Christian dictatorship.

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By omop, April 29, 2010 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

Could such demonstrations encourage seccsions?

http://maxblumenthal.com/

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By PatrickHenry, April 29, 2010 at 3:23 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie, Once it was the Rio palace at the end of Copacabana before Impanema.

Sigh.

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By ofersince72, April 28, 2010 at 11:45 pm Link to this comment

For the most part,  I like what Cris Hedges has been
doing for the last several months, I am sure he is taking
it on the chin from many for the stance he has taken.
He has opened up a lot of discussion that our nation
has been sticking thier heads in the sand about for too
many decades.

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By ofersince72, April 28, 2010 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment

personally, I believe everyone understands,
but….as myself, are somewhat afraid of what lies
ahead…. and grasping for something here and now
that seems feasible.  Even though I didn’t vote for the
man, I didn’t believe he would be this blatent moving
our nation more and more into fascism.  Everyone is
somewhat fearful and needing something present to believe
in. Lets just wish, pray and hope for some good.

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By ofersince72, April 28, 2010 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

Hey Tennessee,

Go over to Common Dreans and read the thread

ACLU to Obama,  The Whole World is Not A War Zone

Read what the posters had to say,,,it will make you
smile.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 28, 2010 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

SHENONYMOUS: BUT I LIKE YOU, WHAT WE NEED IN USA IS A UNITED FRONT TO OVERTHROW THE 2% US OLIGARCHY AND TO DECENTRALIZE ECONOMIC POWER IN AMERICA.

But i sound too utopian because american citizens are divided, not much into political activism, and many people in America are very unfriendly. and it is real hard to break the ice with them.  So i think that we will just have to wait for a bigger crisis so that people can wake up from their slumber

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By Shenonymous, April 28, 2010 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

You attack my person Tennessee-Socialist because
you cannot argue rationally with me. You have no reasons at
all to show why you are right and I am wrong.  I respectfully
provided answers to your questions, honestly and sincerely,
and because you do cannot tolerate the comprehensive answers that
are in disagreement with yours, and because you cannot argue
coherently against them, you, the fake, run and hide in harangue and
cursing.  You are a seditious beast who apparently thrives on perversity. I
see you don’t answer my question about if you are a naturalized citizen. 
I bet you are not and therefore know very little about The American
People and the American law.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 28, 2010 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

WE WILL EXPROPIATE AND NATIONALIZE THE BUSINESS OF SHENONYMOUS AND ALL LIBERTARIANS IN THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 28, 2010 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

DON’T FEED THE CAPITALIST TEA-BAGGER TROLLS !! USA NEEDS SOCIALISM RIGHT NOW, CHRIS HEDGES IS SOCIALIST, NOAM CHOMSKY IS SOCIALIST, AMY GOODMAN IS SOCIALIST, MICHAEL MOORE IS SOCIALIST, RALPH NADER IS SOCIALIST, CYNTHIA MCKINNEY IS SOCIALIST, CINDY SHEEHAN IS SOCIALIST, SEAN PENN IS SOCIALIST, AND THE EVIL PEOPLE ARE CAPITALISTS: BUSH, SARA PALIN, LIEBERMAN, MCCAIN, DICK CHENEY, GLENN BECK AND BILL O RILLEY

F*CK CAPITALISTS AND F*CK CAPITALISM, THE SYSTEM OF THE EVIL DARK FORCES OF THIS WORLD, BUT GOODNESS WILL CONQUER EVIL, SOCIALISM WILL CONQUER CAPITALISM

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By Anarcissie, April 28, 2010 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

Actually, the Holy Rat is wearing a cool white jacket, with money stuffed in the pockets and floating around in the balmy air, and is standing on the balcony of the best hotel in Rio, or somewhere like that.  I just gave a close-up for the fans.

I didn’t explain anything about the Holy Rat, and I’m not going to.

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By elisalouisa, April 28, 2010 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment

Part III
You go on to say.“The establishment of the modern state of Israel is, and will continue to be a hornets’ nest for the world, it will not end well.”

One can reasonably conclude from your comment that all the WMDs Israel and the U.S. possess will not prevent some sort of confrontation. Yet, you assure me that being well armed is the key to preventing confrontation.
Finally, I must also bring into play your last sentence:
“If violence is utterly useless why is it that those most violent survive?”
What does that do and say for our genetic pool in future years Nemesis? Assuming this is true, would you really like to live in a thoroughly violent world. One of course would have to be even more violent than others and continue that downward spiral to wild animalisation.
“When America is no longer a threat to the world, the world will no longer threaten us.”  Harry Browne “What has ‘victory’ achieved?” Antiwar.com

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By Shenonymous, April 28, 2010 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

Maybe Wholey White Rodent?  It does have a white
robe on, come on, everyone knows the Pope wears a white
robe.  It is black and white clear.  What is so funny is that
we have to explain our personal images.  Why not simply
enjoy them?

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By elisalouisa, April 28, 2010 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

Part II
“Up close war is a souless void. War is about barbarity, perversion and pain, an unchecked orgy of death. Human decency and tenderness are crushed. Those who make war work overtime to reduce love to smut, and all human beings become objects, pawns to use or kill. The noise, the stench, the fear, the
scenes of eviscerated bodies and bloated corpses, the cries of the wounded, all combine to spin those in combat into another universe. In this moral void, naively blessed by secular and religious institutions at home, the hypocrisy of our social conventions, our strict adherence to moral precepts, come unglued.
War, for all its horror, has the power to strip away the trivial and the banal, the empty chatter and foolish obsessions that fill our days. It lets us see, although cost is tremendous.”
Some might and have called such writing “ranting and raving” but I say that Mr. Hedges and his style brings home the tragedy of war.  If we continue to arm ourselves as a deterrent as you seem to suggest, there is no doubt that such weapons will eventually be used as is exemplified by the atomic bomb. It was not enough to bomb one Japanese city. We continued
bombing.
Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380 In a Newsweek interview,
Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:
“...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63

Make no mistake, those who are responsible for the creation of WMDs, biological warfare, etc. will want their toys to be used. If you have listened to the casual conversation of military personnel in Las Vegas manning drones in Afghanistan, you realize how casually they take the killing of other humans.
Perhaps they have become so desensitized that to them it is like a video game.
What about genetic bombs?
“GENETIC BOMBS
        When creating ‘genetic-bombs’ or weapons to target specific groups;
genetic profiles are
subtler and more accurate than the coarse pseudo category called race.  The group with ADHD (
the Edison Gene) uniquely share common inherited variations in their dopamine regulating genes
regardless of race, geography or ethnicity.  Thus anybody who’s part of a
group with a shared genetic profile may be at risk in the future.
        A virus or bacteria may attack only a particular type of person, killing, disabling or only those of a particular gene profile.  Threatening a particular type would be sufficient political black-mail.
        Wolfowitz, Kristol and their colleagues suggested that the Pentagon
should be thinking about
not just germ warfare of which they have plenty of capabilities,  but gene
warfare.
        Genetic terra-forming could replace diplomacy, or it could change the
face of politics if an organism got loose that killed all the people of a particular minority community who tend to vote
for a particular political party.
        According to the PNAC,  “Genetically targeted weapons could change world politics for
ever, and the report notes, advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific geno- types may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool” Physician for Life
  I wish to convey that our state-of-the-art weapons can destroy all life.

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By elisalouisa, April 28, 2010 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

Part I
“Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good.” – Gandhi

Edith Hamilton tells us that the goddess Nemesis stands for “righteous anger.”

Dictionary’s definition of nemesis, “the inescapable or implacable agent of someone’s or something’s downfall.”

So which are you Nemesis, friend or foe? Regardless, the bottom line is that you and I are not coming from the same place. You must remember that those in the nonviolent movement do not speak of “survival” as their goal. If that is your goal arm yourself to the teeth. Look at our cities. That is what our young men are doing and their army is a “gang.” They think nothing of taking many lives. As for my stand on gun control, only limited. No guns to criminals. Each person has a right and obligation to defend their home and themselves from predators who have no regard for life.  Right now our country is engaged in an endless cycle of war and the main thrust of our military might is in the Moslem countries. That’s why I compared our interest in Iran as to China.  Our provoking of China shall come later, that is assuming we succeed in Iraq(still not over), Afghanistan and then Iran.  All this for the power/elite, not for those
who pay the price of these wars, the middle and poor class.
As I said Nemesis, you and I are not coming from the same place. I am more in agreement with Chris Hedges and have a few quotes from him column: ‘War is Sin.’

“Wars may have to be fought to ensure survival, but they are always tragic.
They always bring to the surface the worst elements of any society, those who
have a penchant for violence and a lust for absolute power. They turn the
moral order upside down. It was the criminal class that first organized the
defense of Sarajevo. When these goons were not manning roadblocks to hold
off the besieging Bosnian Serb army they were looting, raping and killing the
Serb residents in the city. And those politicians who speak of war as an
instrument of power, those who wage war but do not know its reality, those
powerful statesmen—the Henry Kissingers, Robert McNamaras, Donald
Rumsfelds, the Dick Cheneys—those who treat war as part of the great game of
nations, are as amoral as the religious stooges who assist them. And when the
wars are over what they have to say to us in their thick memoirs about war is
also hollow, vacant and useless.
The Rev. William P. Mahedy, who was a Catholic chaplain in Vietnam, tells of a
soldier, a former altar boy, in his book “Out of the Night: The Spiritual Journey
of Vietnam Vets,” who says to him: “Hey, Chaplain ... how come it’s a sin to hop
into bed with a mama-san but it’s okay to blow away gooks out in the bush?
”“Consider the question that he and I were forced to confront on that day in a
jungle clearing,” Mahedy writes. “How is it that a Christian can, with a clear
conscience, spend a year in a war zone killing people and yet place his soul in
jeopardy by spending a few minutes with a prostitute? If the New Testament
prohibitions of sexual misconduct are to be stringently interpreted, why, then,
are Jesus’ injunctions against violence not binding in the same way? In other
words, what does the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’ really mean?”
Military chaplains, a majority of whom are evangelical Christians, defend the
life of the unborn, tout America as a Christian nation and eagerly bless the
wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as holy crusades. The hollowness of their
morality, the staggering disconnect between the values they claim to promote,
is ripped open in war.”

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By ofersince72, April 28, 2010 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

It may not be holy

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By ofersince72, April 28, 2010 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

See wad a mean

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By Anarcissie, April 28, 2010 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

My logo (icon? avatar?) is the Holy Rat.

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By ofersince72, April 28, 2010 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

Besides, any economic system employed right now would
be doomed for failure.  You need an employment system
to sustain any economic system.
We don’t have one except the Military Industrial Complex
employment system…Every job in America is either
directly or indirectly dependent on this MIC system.

That is a good reason why socialism nomally fails,
A socialist government comes into power after the
economy and money is ruined by a capitolist, greedy
government that left nothing to build upon.

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By Leefeller, April 28, 2010 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

Well Ofersince72, they had better hussle up before 2012 happens, I saw the movie and it will not make a El Crapoo if McCain becomes Pope!

If that’s not good enough, we can wait until Palin becomes President and Joe the Plumber Vice President. So we can listen to all the whining, about Nader losing again!

What do they call it when people hope for the worse so things will go their way? Not…. I told you so? No… it is called something else….., I am not thinking of whiney butt either.  well, when it comes to me, I will let you guys know!

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By ofersince72, April 28, 2010 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

It doesn’t affect them adversely enough yet.

As the petro prices escalate, which is inevitable,
and the food becomes more scarce and almost to
expensive to buy, socialism will start looking mighty
fine to them.

and it is not that far in the future..

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By Leefeller, April 28, 2010 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

She, thanks for the link, I was able to see your logg enlarged, your right, it don’t look like a ham hock, kosher or otherwise

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By Shenonymous, April 28, 2010 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

You do need better lenses Leefeller, She be a Greek Siren. 
Youse just don’t know your Beastie Women.  See:
http://www.theoi.com/Bestiary.html
Sorry you don’t like strong women either.  You join the ranks
of the other woodenheads. By the way, that is a Libyan Lute
in her hand, a musical instrument to play to her mournful chants. 
Just another refining lesson for the less informed.

ITW - He can thumb his way to Mexico then on down into
Venezuela.  He doesn’t have bus fare. 

Okay, you could wait for me to respond before you blast a way again. 
Tennessee-Socialist, no more insults returned!  But you have to
promise to give up your bad habit.  I don’t take insults very well and
growl right back.

To answer your question forthrightly:  But first of all, answer me this -
Are you a naturalized citizen?

You asked two questions, and I will answer them both: “WOULD YOU
LIKE TO LIVE AND WORK IN AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM IN WHICH IF YOU
WORK IN WAL MART YOU WOULD BE A WORKER OF WAL MART AND AT
THE SAME TIME A CO-OWNER OF WAL MART THRU THE SYSTEM OF
WORKERS-OWNERSHIP, AND WORKERS-CONTROL?
THIS ECONOMIC SYSTEM IS THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT
(SOCIALISM), ISN’T THIS SYSTEM BETTER THAN CAPITALISM IN WHICH
WORKERS ARE WAGE-SLAVES AND NOT CO-OWNERS OF THE PLACES
WHERE THEY WORK?”

I do not have to work in WalMart I have ‘skills’.  I consider WalMart an
evil entity that does provide a lot of jobs and low prices but is a tyrant
fascist pig of corporations who try to control what one can buy
especially when they are the only store in town and either own or sit on
the board of the corporations of the limited products they huckster. 
The notion that as a worker in WalMart you own it is a crock of crap
(notice I did not say shit).  I know people who work for WalMart and
mannn they tell me they own a piece of crap it is a laugh riot and a
misconception that they have any control whatsoever - so much for
WalMart).  Way….elll I guess I am in the “proletariat” group, and no
socialism of your stripe is not better than regulated capitalism. 
Workers are wage slaves because they “earn” their wages, which is why
I guess you don’t have a job because you want hard working Americans
to pay your bills and your revolution. I am already a co-owner of my
country.  I work and gladly pay taxes to pay for the services it provides,
health for the needy, food for the needy, homes for the needy,
education for the needy, roads for everyone, a nation-protecting
military for everyone, etc., etc., etc….  It isn’t perfect, but it is more
perfect than anywhere else on the planet.  Americans at least have a
voice to complain without being marched up to a wall and shot in the
head, sometime even without a wall.  And we can change our
politicians, just you watch how that happens in November, if you are
still here, that is.  So no, I do not accept your answer.  You have not
convinced me with any good argument that I should.  I’ve given plenty
of argument why I prefer capitalism but you refuse to comprehend
what I’ve said. 

You cannot love what is hateful (socialism).
Sorry if this posts twice, but TD is off its monthly cycle.  I think it is
suffering PMS or PTSD or ADS or whatever.

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By Leefeller, April 28, 2010 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

In the service I did not smoke when I was in bootcamp, but I had to pick up other peoples ciggy butts, something I never grew fond of doing for some reason, a lot of guys smoked.  I perceive Socialism being one group of people picking up after another, but less organized!

Helping other people is one thing self righteous entitlement is another, Socialism almost sounds like wall street mentality.
The simple fact, when someone tells me what I must like or not like, what I need, want and should think, I just remember picking up cigarette butts back in the old USMC. 

I got mine and I want to keep it, you got mine and I want it, it is all mine and I will share?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 28, 2010 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous: you said that I want your money and your wealth because of what I wrote that socialists would expropiate and nationalize the largest corporations of United States. Oh i am so sorry because I didn’t know that you owned a corporation of the size of Wal Mart, Mcdonalds, Exxon, Shell, Boeing, American Airlines, Pepsi Cola or most large corporations of the United States.

But again you have to deal with it, you have to suck it up, because in radical-changes (Revolutions) one class wins, and another loses and goes down.  If you din’t read history, you should read it. That’s what revolutions are all about (one class rising to power, and another going down)

So in a socialist revolution the present capitalist class will go down and the working class will rise to ruling class of the nation

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 28, 2010 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, nemesis, ofersince, Jdymistic, and other socialists in this website of truthdig: is better for you to stop wasting your emotional, physical and mental energies in trying to convince libertarians, tea baggers and capitalists that capitalism is a system where the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.  These people think that the USA will get better with the corporations owned by a minority of fat-cats of the private-sector instead of corporations being owned by the government and workers-cooperatives.  These people are anti-state, and anti-social property.  They dont believe in collective-ownership of businesses and in sharing wealth with others thru social-property.

They will love socialism some day when they realize that there is no way for USA to get out of its bankruptcy thru this system of corporations owned by a few fat cats (The free market).

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By Shenonymous, April 28, 2010 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

I believe you are right there, Anarcissie, “answer
ranting and raving and abuse, you’re just going to see
more of it,” but what the hell?  At some time they will
hang themselves on the strained chords of their ranting
and raving.

I’m thinkin’ Martin might be rollin over in his grave at all the talk of
socialist takeover.  He be lovin’ dis countre and while it ain’t purrfect, it
gonnna do fer now.  Many of us are working to make it perfect, but it
takes a lot of mojo, cause history is hard to root out the rot and not be
marched to the wall and shot in the haed because we ain’t socialists. 
African Americans have an equal berth in my domain, as do Hispanic,
and other native Americans, Asian, and you name a group they are all
equal in terms of natural rights.

Tennessee-Socialist, brainswashed is in the hands of the
washerwoman.  I think you are brainwashed.  What makes you think
you have the right view of things?  I think yours is quite skewed. 
Please wring your seditious self out and get on with your threat to
move out of the dorm.  It doesn’t take much money.  You are the
hypocrite-whining socialist who wants a lot of money, my money, and
everybody else’s but not work for it.  You are a lazy thug.  You know
whats you can do, don’t you?

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By Inherit The Wind, April 28, 2010 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist, April 28 at 2:36 pm #

Inherit The Wind: I am in USA not because i love USA, but because only the rich can move to other countries. How damn dumb you are. Can’t you realize that moving to another city, state or country requires a lot of money?  But sooner or later i will move out of USA.

USA is doomed because most americans are brainwashed, dumb and illiterate like you and Shenonymous.  Dumbness, conformism, fear, apathy and low self esteem is the cause of why americans feel so good in the hell of United States of obesity
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How damn dumb am I?  Damn dumb enough to know that YOU CAME HERE!  And I want to know why. 

You don’t think we have liberty HERE.
You hate our economic system HERE.
You actively advocate violent revolution HERE.
You want to leave HERE.
You hate our nation HERE.

So again: Why the fuck did you come HERE? 

You wanna leave?  Take a bus to Mexico.  Keep going till you get to Venezuela and live in THAT workers’ paradise.

That’s how damn dumb I am.

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By Leefeller, April 28, 2010 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Wow, She….. I did not realize that was a harpy! 

I thought it was a hula dancer holding up a kosher hamhock? Now that I look close, it does look like a hamhock!

My seeing eyes needs another dog, well the logos are quite small.

Night Gaint what do you mean by “Don’t Pancake”?
Anacissie’s logo must be John the Biepedist hoping they will chop off his nose, instead of his head, the halo is a give away,  (He was a noisy one )  I am really surprised by Tennessee’s logo,  George Bush’s chauffer, saluting George Bush?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 28, 2010 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

SHENONYMOUS: I HAVE ONE SIMPLE QUESTION FOR YOU: ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION WITHOUT INSULTING ME PLEASE:

WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE AND WORK IN AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM IN WHICH IF YOU WORK IN WAL MART YOU WOULD BE A WORKER OF WAL MART AND AT THE SAME TIME A CO-OWNER OF WAL MART THRU THE SYSTEM OF WORKERS-OWNERSHIP, AND WORKERS-CONTROL?

THIS ECONOMIC SYSTEM IS THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT (SOCIALISM), ISN’T THIS SYSTEM BETTER THAN CAPITALISM IN WHICH WORKERS ARE WAGE-SLAVES AND NOT CO-OWNERS OF THE PLACES WHERE THEY WORK?

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By Night-Gaunt, April 28, 2010 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, Robert Mugabe is many things but a follower of Marx-Engels he is not. You would know that if you had a clue as to who Marx-Engels were.  Robert Mugabe is just another weak mortal whose good intentions became institutionalized dictatorship of him and his family and friends over the long decades. Nothing more than that. Power corrupted him and ruined Zimbabwe. Chavez is going down that same road so he’d better be careful. First thing he should do is layoff the logoreah with 8 hour speeches. So full of himself.

Curious you should pick a harpy as your logo, Shenonymous. Playing to your enemies? Frienemies? My choices were few and didn’t have any other icons to choose from.

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By nemesis2010, April 28, 2010 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

elisalouisa, April 27 at 7:19 pm

”Nemesis: It’s ridiculous to say that perhaps WWII would have been prevented if Chamberlain had not signed an agreement with Hitler.  Hitler did not want England to interfere in his conquest of Europe, starting with Checkoslovakia. Nothing would have stopped Hitler short of the war that did occur.”

Pt. 1

I didn’t say that. Go back and reread it because I’m not going to clarify what I did not say.

elisalouisa, April 27 at 7:19 pm

” Jews in Germany felt fairly secure and in many ways prospered prior to the advent of Hitler. The anti Jewish laws didn’t come all at once…”


The problem with your entire premise is that many Jews, many notable Jews, saw the handwriting on the wall and fled. The Jews were not the only people persecuted by Nazis. There were about 3 times as many Russians killed as there were Jews. Then there are those Jews who did manage to find the courage and ability to fight back. (see “The Avengers” by Rich Cohen and the Bielski partisans)

It is not for us to judge because we weren’t there. The point I was making—you continually miss important points—was that where resistance existed the Nazis were not able to accomplish their goals as easily and completely as they desired. In other words, Power is detained by Power. Where there is no adequate defense Power moves like a hot knife through warm butter.

So next time a bleeding heart tells you we shouldn’t have guns or we need more gun control; tell him to shove it. Unarmed people are unable to defend themselves and are easily made fuel for the ovens. :(

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By nemesis2010, April 28, 2010 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

elisalouisa, April 27 at 7:19 pm

”Until 1948 there was a British mandate that forbade Jews from going to Israel.  Jews around the world help the nation of Israel come into being in 1948 when Harry S. Truman was our President…”

Pt 2

The establishment of the modern state of Israel is, and will continue to be, a hornets’ nest for the world; it will not end well. The idea that the U.N. can dictate that adherents to a religion are entitled to a territory is insane. Can that precedent and illogic be used some day against the U.S. and other nations around the world? Has the world had a popular vote to see if a majority of mankind want a single political entity to possess such power and authority?

Again, your own words serve as a perfect example of how Power cares nothing about the desires and wishes of the masses. The establishment of a Jewish state—IMO—had more to do with Europe’s inability to deal with its prejudice against the practitioners of Judaism than anything else. Modern European Jewry has little in common with the Hebraic tribes of antiquity; unless I’m to believe that Abraham—who we cannot even prove ever really existed—had a bunch of blue-eyed, blond-haired, and white skinned offspring.
 
There are at least two here that have unequivocally stated that—in their opinion—Jews are neither a race nor a nationality, but rather religious adherents with a sense of nationality. Sounds like Mormons I know, but they lack the magic skivvies. The Palestinians were primitive and weak and unable to put up an adequate defense of their homeland. Power simply handed over their homeland to someone else that it favored more and the world has been paying the price ever since. And I believe that the price is about to inflate because world opinion of the rogue state of Israel has never been lower than it is today. There’s change in the wind and I suspect the Israelis aren’t going to like the outcome.

They’re going to do exactly what all children who are raised without hope and hunger and in extreme poverty do. They’re going to fall for the first ideology—be it religious of political—that comes along and promises them a better future. What other choice do they have? Who do communists convert? They convert the victims of predator capitalism.

There is no way to know whether or not there will be no winners in the next war. That’s impossible to know and ranks with religious superstition. The moneyed interests always win. And how do we classify “the next war?” Has there ever really been a time without war? War is just not the big battles of WWII that we see on the History Channel. Modern warfare is very sophisticated and the technology involved is nothing like we Homo sapiens have had in all of our brief 175-200 thousand year history. If we wipe ourselves out life on the planet will continue. Once you’re dead you won’t be aware of anything anyway, so don’t fret over things you have no control over. Actually if it’s the big boom that worries you, try to be as close to the explosion as possible. It’ll be quick and before you can say “WTF?”; it’ll all be over. smile

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elisalouisa, April 27 at 7:19 pm

”China is not often mentioned as a threat; we do not meddle as to what weapons they are developing as we do in Iran wishing to provoke a confrontation so to speak.…”

Pt. 3

You cannot possibly be that naïve. Of course we are meddling. Have you forgotten the incident with the naval spy plane in the very beginning of the failed Bush administration? The main difference between Iran and China, and the reason you see them treated differently, is that China can defend itself.

AmeriCorp is a big bully, full of outward bravado, who inwardly, is shitting himself. Name a single war that the U.S. has had since WWII that was against a nation capable of defending itself. If you study you’ll see that there is not a single nation that had comparable sized and/or equipped armies, navies, and most importantly, air forces. You can’t do modern warfare without air support. That’s why you see the guerilla type of fighting going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. The opposition has to compensate for its weakness and the only way it can fight a super-power is to resort to guerilla type warfare.

Do you think that any right-wing evangelical Jeebus freedom fighter group will stand a chance against the Empire fighting in conventional style battles? No way. They will resort to the same tactics that they condemn Iraqi insurgents for using. We’ve a long history of that ourselves. Does the name Francis Marion mean anything to you?
 
Whenever there is war there is slow starvation for someone. There have always been millions and millions killed Elisa. There were about 50 million dead in WWII. An estimated 90 million perished in European colonization of the Americas. Genghis Kahn? One of the favorite past times of Homo sapiens is raping and pillaging and murdering other groups of Homo sapiens –especially if it’s done in the name of, or for, imaginary deities.

At the end of the day we’re talking about survival. And when it comes to survival you and those of your mindset, have been unable to prove that survival through nonviolent means is a realistic goal. If violence is utterly useless why is it that those most violent survive?

elisalouisa, April 27 at 7:19 pm

” We have no bargaining power..…”

EXACTLY! Now think about that. smile

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 28, 2010 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind: I am in USA not because i love USA, but because only the rich can move to other countries. How damn dumb you are. Can’t you realize that moving to another city, state or country requires a lot of money?  But sooner or later i will move out of USA.

USA is doomed because most americans are brainwashed, dumb and illiterate like you and Shenonymous.  Dumbness, conformism, fear, apathy and low self esteem is the cause of why americans feel so good in the hell of United States of obesity

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By Leefeller, April 28, 2010 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

I find ranting and raving is useful in never loosing an argument with myself! Having multiple personalities seems to help.

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By Anarcissie, April 28, 2010 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

If you answer ranting and raving and abuse, you’re just going to see more of it.

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By omop, April 28, 2010 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

Another internet sewer link thats put out by US Veterans.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/24/gordon-duff-stage-being-set-for-
dirty-bomb-false-flag/

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By omop, April 28, 2010 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

From the dead.

‘On the day he died, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. called his mother to give her his
next Sunday’s sermon title:

‘Why America May Go to Hell.’ In his 1968 call for a Poor People’s Campaign, he
warned that ‘America is going to hell if we don’t use her vast resources to end
poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic
necessities of life.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 28, 2010 at 3:53 am Link to this comment

T-S:

If the USA and Israel are the source of ALL evil in the world, why don’t you leave this malevolent nation and go back to your benevolent Russia, or was it Ukraine or Belarus you came from?

You are here because, despite your whining, YOU WANTED A JOB! YOU WANTED TO MAKE MONEY!  And this is where people come to make it, still, despite it’s supposed “collapse”.

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By Shenonymous, April 27, 2010 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

Bible Babble by Tennessee-Socialist “No one can serve two
masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be
devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God
and Money,”
is the real text of Matthew 6:24.  Communists and
communism need money, you just said you did, so you are the
hypocrite quoting the Bible.  Of course because communists cannot be
Christian believers, and have no honor or respect for people, they can
easily prostitute Scripture for whatever base cause they need as a
reference. 

If you like Bible Babble, try these from James…
3:2  For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word,
the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
3:5  Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things.
Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
3:6  And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue
among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on
fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
3:8  But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly
poison.
3:10  Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My
brethren, these things ought not so to be.

Tennessee-Socialist, exercise self-control and read the Bible for
real guidance instead of the Communist Manifesto!

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By Shenonymous, April 27, 2010 at 10:44 pm Link to this comment

Ooops forgot to close the italics somewhere.  This might fix it.

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By Shenonymous, April 27, 2010 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

“WE NEED A DICTATORSHIP OF THE…”,
said Tennessee-Socialist, April 27 at 10:52 pm.
It is not “we” who needs a dictatorship, it is “you” who
needs a dictatorship.

Exactly how do you plan to implement starting this revolution?  ”...I
need a lot of wealth ...and right now that’s why I need a socialist-
revolution,...” Thus spake Tennessee-Socialist, April 27 at
10:17 pm

FYI:  The definition of sedition is conduct or language inciting rebellion
against the authority of the state.  You sound like you are a clear and
present danger to citizens of the United States.

Read everything on this website.
http://www.crf-usa.org/america-responds-to-terrorism/a-clear-and-
present-danger.html
It is a brief and succinct CRF description of sedition in syllabus form. 
“It a felony to advocate overthrowing the established government by
force or violence.”

Check it out, The American People are content with their democratic
form of government.  They want regulated capitalism with some
socialistic programs, but definitely a capitalistic based economic
system.  Check it out.  But be sure to ask “every” American.

Frankly Scarlett, I don’t give a damn.  You sound like an unhinged
escaped inmate from Lexington.

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By ofersince72, April 27, 2010 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

I have never understood the concept or known
  what it meant….

  The white male idenity crisis…..WTF is that??

 
  I suggest anyone with such a crisis get to a
  psychologist ASAP

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By elisalouisa, April 27, 2010 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

Not interested in your links Omop. In my view, your link is part of the internet sewer that Chris Hedges talked about in another column.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 27, 2010 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

T-S:
Reading your posts takes me back about 45 years, when people said such things and other people actually thought they made sense.

I have two questions:  1) What will keep the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” absolute power from being corrupted absolutely and keeping that power no matter what.  2) When has it EVER not resulted in absolute corruption?

I’ll bet without much digging you’ll find that Hugo Chavez is already socking away the dough in off-shore account.  Marxist Robert Mugabe has sunk his wonderfully prosperous nation into a starving, cholera-ravished carrion heap, just to hold on to his power.

Even Lenin, a man TRULY opposed to ego so much he refused to attend his own birthday party, a man who honestly shared power with his Politburo, brought minor capitalism BACK to Russia, and encouraged any and all artistic expression, had thousands summarily shot without any hint of a fair trial and it didn’t bother him one bit.  He wrote out rules for “terror” to allow a small group, like his to control the masses AGAINST THEIR FREE WILL!

What you want has been proven time and time again to be a living hell, no better than the Taliban’s total control that makes life a burden, not a joy.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 27, 2010 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

HERE IS A POEM DEDICATED TO MY SOCIALIST FRIENDS WHO WANT A REAL CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, AND NOT A CAPITALISM WITH A HUMAN FACE

http://www.marxists.org/history/france/revolution/conspiracy-equals/1796/song.htm

For too long a wretched code
Enslaved men to men:
May the reign of the brigands fall!
Let us finally know what our condition is
Awaken to our voice
And leave the darkest night behind,
People! Take hold of your rights,
The sun shines for all.

You created us to be equal,
Nature, oh beneficent mother!
Why, in property and labors,
This murderous inequality? Awaken!

Why a thousand slaves crawling
Around four or five despots?
Why the small and the great?
Arise, brave sans-culottes.

During humanity’s childhood
We saw no gold, no war,
No ranks, no sovereign,
No luxury, no poverty!
Sacred and sweet equality
Fills the earth and makes it fertile.
In these days of felicity
The sun shines for all.

Everyone loved everyone else, all lived happily,
Enjoying a common ease;
Regrets, shameful debates
Didn’t trouble independence.

Alas! Soon ambition
Relying on imposture
Dared to contemplate the plot and outrage
Of usurpation.

We saw princes, subjects,
The opulent, the poverty-stricken;
We saw masters, valets:
The day before all were alike.

Horrible brigandage was cloaked
With the names of laws and institutes
They called virtues crimes,
And pillage necessity.

Alas! Your generous plans,
Immortal sons of Cornelius
Couldn’t save your lives
From the assassin’s steel.

And you, Lycurguses of the French
O Marat! Saint-Just! Robespierre!
Of your sage projects
We were already feeling the salutary effects.
Already, the rich and his altars were
Plunged in the darkest night,
Mortals repeated:
The sun shines for all.

Already your sublime labors
Returned us to nature
What is their price? Scaffolds,
Assassination, torture.

Pitt’s gold and the voice of d’Anglas
Opened a new abyss:
Crawl or be a scoundrel,
Choose death or crime.

People, smash the ancient charm
Of a too lethargic slumber:
With the most terrible of awakenings
Spread alarm to grinning crime.
Lend an ear to our voice
And leave the darkest night behind.
People, take hold of your rights,
The sun shines for all.

 

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 27, 2010 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

CAPITALISM IS THE POLITICAL-ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF SATAN.  USA HAS BEEN UNDER THE CONTROL OF SATAN SINCE 1776

SOCIALISTS CANNOT SERVE MONEY AND GOD AT THE SAME TIME. EITHER YOU SERVE GOD OR CAPITALISM, YOU CANNOT SERVE BOTH

“No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Capitalism.”  -Matthew 6:24


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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 27, 2010 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment

elisalouisa: THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL IN THIS WORLD ARE 2 NATIONS: USA + ISRAHELL !! USA AND ISRAEL NEED RADICAL CHANGES (SOCIALISM),

USA HAS BEEN KILLING PEOPLE SINCE 1776, IT IS THE EMPIRE OF MURDER

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 27, 2010 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

WE NEED A DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT IN USA TO NATIONALIZE AND EXPROPIATE MCDONALDS, WAL-MARTS, SHELL, EXXON, BURGER KING, GM, FORD, DODGE, AIG, WALGREENS, COCA COLA, BANK OF AMERICA, CITYBANK, JP MORGAN, AMERICAN AIRLINES, BOEING, ETC. ETC.

http://revcom.us/a/1214/bademoc1.htm

What is the dictatorship of the proletariat good for, and what is it not good for? Now, we hear lots of attacks on socialism and specifically on the dictatorship of the proletariat these days, and how it’s not good for this, not good for that, not good for anything—not good for the people, not good for humanity, that it runs against human nature, etc., etc., etc. So it’s important to talk about what the dictatorship of the proletariat is good for, as well as what it’s not good for.

What it is good for is meeting the needs and serving the highest interests of the masses—which fundamentally means carrying forward the transition to communism, as part of and together with the world proletarian revolution. It’s good for uprooting the basis of exploitation and oppression and the division of society into classes, eliminating class distinctions together with other forms of oppressive relations, including very importantly, the oppression of women as well as national oppression and other major forms of social inequality and antagonism. That’s what it’s good for. It’s good for radically transforming the material base and the superstructure of society, including the thinking of the people. It’s good for all that.

Now, what it is not good for is reinforcing a system of exploitation and oppression. It’s not good for reinforcing class divisions in society. It’s not good for creating conditions in which a handful of people can prosper at the expense of the great mass of people and can monopolize and have control over not only wealth and the means to create wealth but the whole superstructure of society, including intellectual life, ideology and culture. The dictatorship of the proletariat is not any good for all that. And that’s why the bourgeoisie essentially doesn’t like it—in fact hates it—because it’s absolutely useless for those things, and it’s very useful, in fact indispensable, for uprooting those things.

This is a very important point to bring out. From the point of view of the bourgeoisie, the dictatorship of the proletariat is not good for anything. It is not good for serving the interests of an exploiting clique and providing opportunities for a small part of the population to advance at the expense of the great majority and enrich themselves by exploiting the masses of people. It’s not good for enabling them to monopolize economic life and thereby political life, having a monopoly of political power and, as a concentrated expression of that, military power, and a monopoly on ideology, including intellectual and cultural life.

So that, in fundamental and essential terms, is what the dictatorship of the proletariat is good for, and not good for, and how different classes look at that.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 27, 2010 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

SHENONYMOUS: JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN’T KNOW WHAT A DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT IS, HERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat

In Marxism, the dictatorship of the proletariat denotes the transitional socialist State between the capitalist class society and the classless communist society. During the transition, the State can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat,[1] The term, dictatorship, refers to the Classical Roman dictatura concept — republican and constitutional with absolute power while Marx’s dictatorship of proletariat is revolutionary government with majority (proletarian) support which wields absolute power to replace the incumbent capitalist economic system and its socio-political supports, i.e. the “dictatorship of the bourgeoisie”

On 1 January 1852, the journalist Joseph Weydemeyer published the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” article in The New York Times newspaper. In that year, Karl Marx wrote to him, saying: “Now, as for myself, I do not claim to have discovered either the existence of classes in modern society or the struggle between them. Long before me, bourgeois historians had described the historical development of this struggle between the classes, as had bourgeois economists their economic anatomy. My own contribution was (1) to show that the existence of classes is merely bound up with certain historical phases in the development of production; (2) that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat; [and] (3) that this dictatorship, itself, constitutes no more than a transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.”[2] [1] Marx also used the term in the Critique of the Gotha Program (1875).[3]

In context, dictatorship denotes the political control (government) by a social class, not by a man (dictator rei gerendae causa); likewise, being a system of class rule, the bourgeois State is a “dictatorship of the bourgeoisie”. When the workers (the proletariat) assume State power, they become the (new) ruling class, and rule in their own interests, temporarily using the State’s institution in preventing a bourgeois counterrevolution.

Karl Marx did not detail the implementation of the dictatorship of the proletariat, yet indicated the Paris Commune (March–May 1871) as a model of the transition to Communism:

“ The Commune was formed of the municipal councilors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible, and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally workers, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive, and legislative at the same time.[4] ”

This form of popular government, featuring revocable election of councilors and maximal public participation in governance, resembles contemporary direct democracy.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 27, 2010 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous: I am not conformist, i need a lot of wealth and right now that’s why I need a socialist-revolution, so that the dictatorship of the proletariat can expropiate and nationalize the assets and corporations of the monopoly-capitalist class of America.

That is what Hugo Chavez is doing in Venezuela, he is nationalizing and expropiating the wealth of the Oligarchies. He is like Robin Hood, stealing from the rich and trickling down wealth to the poors.

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By omop, April 27, 2010 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

elisalouisa,

Think you may find this link interesting. Titled. “Goodbye America” and
authored by a Dr. Lasha.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Darkmoon-GoodbyeI.html

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By elisalouisa, April 27, 2010 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment

Nemesis: It’s ridiculous to say that perhaps WWII would have been prevented if Chamberlain had not signed an agreement with Hitler.  Hitler did not want England to interfere in his conquest of Europe, starting with Checkoslovakia. Nothing would have stopped
Hitler short of the war that did occur. Jews in Germany felt fairly secure and in many ways prospered prior to the advent of Hitler. The anti Jewish laws didn’t come all at once. they started very
slowly. At first they restricted Jews from going to universities, gradually the Nazis got tougher and tougher. There was no organization or nation the Jews could turn to. Laws became more and more restrictive. First Jews lost their jobs in government and then in industry. There were few places Jews could immigrate to. Many went to Shanghai. The fact that Jews in the Warsaw ghetto had a central location and knew the enemy was coming gave them some advantage over the Jews in Europe who were widespread and an enemy that was a shadow in government not easily perceived. Jews suffered horrors
unimaginable. Visiting Dachau as I have gives you some idea of the scope of suffering endured by the Jerwish people and also others who Hitler did not wish to have in his Third Reich.  After WWII Jews immigrated to Israel when allowed. Until 1948 there was a British mandate that forbade Jews from going to Israel.  Jews around the world help the nation of
Israel come into being in 1948 when Harry S. Truman was our President. Jews for two thousand years had been nonviolent and after experiencing the horrors of the Nazi reign many Jews consider violence a necessary way of life with state-of-the-art-weapons and sometime human rights violations in Gaza. This tells you why many advocate nonviolence.  What will the Arab and
Palestinian children who are violated do when they become adults and also the Jewish children who are hit by rockets from Gaza.  Just as a child learns to abuse from an abusive parent, so people of nations recycle the violence they have experienced. Those who advocate
non-violence will tell you that in the next war there will be no winners. China is not often mentioned as a threat; we do not meddle as to what weapons they are developing as we do in Iran wishing to provoke a confrontation so to speak.  Since millions and millions will be killed in the next war those that do survive
wil have to fight neighbors and friends for what food there is and then experience a slow death through starvation, disease and deformity caused by radiation. Perhaps, just perhaps people will finally then see the utter uselessness of violence. 
As for our government turning a deaf ear to the people, that is nothing new. We have no bargaining power. They have shipped our factories to other countries,  covertly encouraged illegal immigration while the states(the people) pick up a good part of the tab and corporations make the profit. Both parties pay homage to Wall Street and the Corporations. I realize our wars are strategic wars for the power/elite. They intend to have
global control, that is obvious. American people no longer have the power to prevent wars, not that they ever did. Young men and women are unemployed and the military is the best offer they have. It is of no concern to our leaders that the living standard of the people is not what it used to be. Their aim is to
please the power/elite.
Meanwhile mainstream media goes blissfully on with its lies and propaganda.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 27, 2010 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

in this case I call it; ITW celebrity
stalking.

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I don’t stalk celebrities! I don’t stalk anyone.

Oh….you mean I AM the celebrity being stalked? Can’t be. I don’t think I’d stand out in a crowd of two!

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By nemesis2010, April 27, 2010 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

Act II, Scene 6, of “Drama Queen”

Inherit The Wind, April 26 at 9:54 pm

‘I finally gave you the only response you deserve.’

Yaaaaaaaaaawn.

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By nemesis2010, April 27, 2010 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

@ LouisaElisa: (2):

What do people say today about Neville Chamberlain? Had Britain not negotiated from a position of weakness WWII might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be. Some believe—albeit impossible to know—that we might have been able to prevent WWII altogether. Do you believe that Nazi Germany would have been able to do to European Jewry what it did had the Jews stood up as one people and fought back? Think of the Warsaw ghetto where a handful of young men, Jews, held off German troops for days with just a few handguns.

You’ve got to be smarter than the dog.

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By nemesis2010, April 27, 2010 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

@ LouisaElisa: (1)

I want to begin by making it very clear that in my mind, as I type, my voice is very gentile and soft. As if I was having a serious chat with one of my granddaughters. Do not let the written word get to you.

You’re a proponent of “nonviolent” action against Power. You, as well as many others, have stated or inferred as much many times. I also like the idea of being able to nonviolently achieve change but I also know human history and I’m somewhat of a pragmatist.

Supposedly, the young girl in the video was suspected of having been seen in the company of a young man who was not a family member.

What you see in that video is Power in action. You also see the cocksureness of extreme ignorance. I have been against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan since the beginning. There wasn’t a single Iraqi or Afghani on the planes on 9/11, why attack Iraq? Because Iraq not only has the 2nd largest known oil reserves in the world it also provides strategic locations for bases in the Middle East. Afghanistan is/was the preferred route for the oil/gas pipelines from the north. Not to mention the poppy fields. It’s all about a world economy based on petroleum. It’s all about Power! That Power is the same Power that you want to demonstrate against and expect to effect change. “It’ll never happen. Forget it.”

Not one person in that crowd dared speak a single word in protest. Had they, they would have met with a similar fate or even worse. Power, be it tremendously large like that of AmeriCorp and the multinational corporations or a gang of Taliban leaders who beat up on little girls thinking that they’re pleasing their nonexistent god, doesn’t give a hoot about you or anyone else. Power here, like Power in that Pakistani village, cannot be convinced that it’s in error. You cannot reason with Power unless you wield sufficient power yourself. Study American history and read the details of how the colonies tried to reason with the Crown. The Crown wasn’t hearing any of it. Oddly enough the situation in AmeriCorp today is very similar in that we have a government that turns a deaf ear to the complaints of the people while siding with corporate Power. With the Crown it was the East India Company.
When you want to train a dog it usually helps to be smarter than the dog. The same applies here. Read the following Chomsky quote:

” The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”

Noam’s the big dog! And now a quote attributed to Joseph Goebbels: 

”What you want in a media system is ostensible diversity that conceals an actual uniformity.”

Do you see AmeriCorp in action? They’ve got it down to a science! All the pundits, all the Jerry Springerish debate. Everything is dualistic, which keeps it simple stupid. Everything is topsy turvy; or is it?

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By Night-Gaunt, April 27, 2010 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

Well Tennessee-Socialist, Nietzsche wanted the individual creative person like himself to be able to flower as they will so if that is what you are angling for then good. If not and you think in the Nazi way then you are making the same willful mistake they did and do.  Nietzsche when confronted by a real proto-Nazi, in the form of Vorster who married his sister Elizabeth. He disowned her and despised her when the couple went to establish Nuevo Germania* in Paraquay in 1886. It failed & just remnants remain today. Nietzsche could see where things were going and predicted that authoritarians would distort and use pieces of that distortion to promote the opposite of what he wrote about. His sister was the one who did & helped to perpetuate how some even today call Nietzsche a “proto-Nazi.” Most haven’t read him and of those that read it in the same distorted way as the Nazis of today, and some anti-Nazis too.

*An “Aryan” enclave which some of its settlers still exist but have become part of the general Paraguayan society including inter-marrying with the darker locals.

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By Leefeller, April 27, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

Nemisis2010 having shown an ITW fetish, which obviously
eclipsed my ITW envy! (I do not like to use the word
dwarfed) may have piled it on beyond the sticks and stone
stage.

Obnoxiousness may seem humorous at first, but their is a
line of embarkingtation which exceeds human acceptance.
and dignity. So it seems, annoying becomes most annoying, 
morphs into sticks and stones then red faced rage and
finally into the spittle spewing stage.  An obsessive
behavior such as displayed which seems to happen with
regularity on TD, in this case I call it; ITW celebrity
stalking. This recent situation, became not humorous nor
acceptable in my book.

In the past I have observed both closet and blatant
sexist attacks on perceived or admitted females, my
bigotry of sexists has been documented in my diary!

Only in the dark recesses of the alleged mindless
attacker, who knows what lurks? One observes solipsistic
in house proclamations.  Proclamations as in name
calling, of course calling a person what they are not.
This seems most childish in the first degree and in the
case of using the Terminator girly boy routine, seems
blatantly sexist in the second degree. The bigot bully
like the sexist bully has a proclivity to insult from the
hip,  for their huge egos demand it be so.  The “N” word,
very much like “girly boy” is not an insult at all except
in the mind of the simpleton who believes it to be, those
who would demean by displaying some sort of inferiority
complex, seems only a foot of clay, a chest slapping
demand or order to show some kind of superiority?

My love of wearing colorful silk shirts, and the fact I
like to carry my wig in a hand bag does not make me a
girly man!  My phobias are many, but in this case my fear
of real large animals, like the clown and the horse has
only allowed me to ride nothing larger than my pet
donkey, who has turned out quite fleet of foot who I have
named Seabisquick!

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By Shenonymous, April 27, 2010 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

Tunnelling, hmmmmm, now that, ITW, is one place I
hadn’t thought of.  Do you suppose I could sell tickets for a
passthrough?  A toll tunnel as it were?  Might as well be an
entrepenuer.  There is little money in teaching.  Building a
tunnel of cards could be intriguing but would seem to be very
tentative like houses of similar design.

Unfortunately equilibrium in character has been lost to a
great many on this forum.  Ad hominem and straw men are their
bosom buddies, and what is truly sad is that they are not literate
enough to know what that means.  Have a plucky good day. Keep up
the good fight.  You have strong colleagues on both your flanks.  Real
life calls.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 27, 2010 at 6:45 am Link to this comment

I can auction off the bridge, but I can get you a GREAT contract on a tunnel, too!

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By Sternberg, April 27, 2010 at 6:12 am Link to this comment
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Chomsky is as relevant as Ralph Nader.  Anyone can write 100 books, if they are willing to finance the vanity publishing houses.
That doesn’t make him an intellectual, only fanatical.

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By Shenonymous, April 27, 2010 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

Just remember, JDmysticDJ, Nietzsche is dead, having
gone mad at the end of his life.  Did he realize the futility
of the existence he imagined?  His was a sad and unrealized
life for all the insights he had about human nature.  He is
much misunderstood by those who have the glare of emotional
idealism in their eyes, such was Hitler’s misunderstanding as
are all those who would be fascist in their beliefs.  Socialists who
would force their agenda at the point of murder and carnage are such
fascists, such was Stalin’s diabolical imperative, and Mao’s.  I’ll leave it
for others to say that today Chavez is pretending to be as much. 

Do you imagine I care about what you think of me?  I am the
Shepotamus, skin thick as is your head. 

Good morning ITW.  I slept excellently well, thank you.  Contract or
auction?  I do declare we will slam all of the Fascists!

I don’t know about your humility or modesty, wink wink.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 27, 2010 at 3:25 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, April 27 at 3:06 am #

Before signing off for the evening, Inherit The Wind,
I say without any reservation that over the years I have highly
appreciated your intelligent resilience at all the venom and
acrimony that has been thrown at you.  I see you as a valiant
fighter, not particularly Jewish, but a proud man.  It is hard,
these days, to be a self-loving Jew who gets an expanding field
of weeds with a few flowers to perk up the view.  With your virtues now in
perspective, and intact, I can sleep better.

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And the features I’m proudest of and most famous for are my humility and my modesty! smile

(Hope you slept well, She)
(PS: Wanna buy a bridge?)

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By Leefeller, April 27, 2010 at 1:42 am Link to this comment

It can safely say over the years, without the simplest
of facts, that I have been in a few pissing contests.
Which means I believe they where pissing contests but
maybe the other people did not, the reverse is also
possible.

Now I can say with somewhat cloudy memories of fact,
that several other posters on this forum, those posters
long of tooth,  have been in some real dog fights.

Seemingly dog fights start when someone says some thing
sexiest, bigoted, insulting or just plain Stupid. Two
against one may seem good odds? Ego tag teaming with
dogma, enters the cave making a lot of noise poking and
prodding the hibernating bear, is what it seems to me!

“I see nothing”! Sergent Shultz!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q

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By JDmysticDJ, April 27, 2010 at 12:30 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous

Pomposity is what I will display, by not responding to the insults of one so lacking in decency, as to be indifferent to the suffering of the unfortunate. Pontification is wasted on a soul so self indulgent and reprobate. Nietzsche, I suspect, would simply say, go away (German expletive deleted.)!

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 11:06 pm Link to this comment

Before signing off for the evening, Inherit The Wind,
I say without any reservation that over the years I have highly
appreciated your intelligent resilience at all the venom and
acrimony that has been thrown at you.  I see you as a valiant
fighter, not particularly Jewish, but a proud man.  It is hard,
these days, to be a self-loving Jew who gets an expanding field
of weeds with a few flowers to perk up the view.  With your virtues now in
perspective, and intact, I can sleep better.

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 10:48 pm Link to this comment

And exactly how do you plan to start that revolution,
Tennessee-Socialist?  It is not I that will not stop
you, but The American People will.  It is their will to have
a democratic and regulated capitalist-based government. 
You speak for a poor who exists only in your mind.  You
may be able to read and write, but you lack comprehension. 
You are spinning in place, having a hissy fit, and what you
think is not what The American People think.  You seem to have a kind
of god complex that what you think is what all must think.  You would
violate anyone else’s freedom of speech who does not agree with you. 
You would harm anyone who does not agree with you.  You are
bordering on madness.  As an antidote, you might get a job and stop
being poor.  Maybe you don’t have any employable skills. Then you
would qualify for welfare.  Isn’t free non-taxable American welfare
enough for you?  Or you could go work in the strawberry fields or
picking grapes.  As a last resort you could get a tin cup and find a busy
corner, then you could shout your vehemence to the public directly. 
New York City is a good place to do that.  Or go to Wall Street and
scream at the financiers.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 26, 2010 at 10:31 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous: I dont care if you label me crazy, hitler, bin laden or charles manson. I think that USA needs a radical change, and that’s not hate, thats love for the poor americans who are dying of depression, desperation, hopelessness, poverty and misery. And I do hate the rich people, the monopoly capitalists and the mafia-cartels that have ruled USA for 300 years

So we will have a socialist-workers revolution wether you want it or not. You just got to suck it up because according to the the theory of “Inevitability of socialism” it is the next stage in political systems in this world.

Radical change in USA means that the rich will be poors, and the poors will be rich. That’s what we need, to turn things upside down, and that won’t come with elections my friend

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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment

To regurgitate is to have rot already in the body and spit it out. 
It is called vomiting. In your case it is vomit of the mind. If anyone
is regurgitating hate on this forum, Tennessee-Socialist
it is you.  Harboring the kind of hate you show, is pathologically
acidic and will eventually eat you from the inside out.  To save yourself
you are advised to seek psychological help as soon as possible.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 26, 2010 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ: You know what i think it’s Shenonimous problem? It is pure intolerance for other ideologies. For example i like socialism as the only solution for America.  But Shenonymous is a capitalist.  And thinks that USA can be saved with a capitalism with a human face, i respect that option, but Shenonymous is totally intolerant toward socialism and wants to imposse by force the free market ideology on me.

So Shenonymous problem is the problem many libertarians and capitalists who think that the free market is a religion and cannot be changed into a planned socialist economy

Thats also the problem of Tea Party terrorists.  And these people who are intolerant can even be terrorists. Some Tea Baggers libertarians are even on the FBI and CIA list, for their intolerance toward Obama.


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By Shenonymous, April 26, 2010 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment

Indifference has many meanings, JDmysticDJ, one
of which is characterized as lacking partiality.  Some people
wish to express their opinions on current realities without
expectation that they are judged and do not give any basis
except an emotional view.  That is called pompous pontification.
I am not interested in that view, hence your personal opinion has no
weight in my caring quotient and are not made to appeal to you or
anyone else.  If you wish to criticize my comments, you would do well to
speak specifically so that I may fairly reply.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 26, 2010 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment

To tell you the truth the USA wont change with elections. USA needs to be completely changed, and all that it stands for along with “The american way of life”.  The USA needs a second revolution.

Some bourgeosie conservative reformists here who come from stable middle class families hate revolution in USA because they are doing fine right now.  But they are so evil, that they don’t respect and accept those american poors who do really want a revolution.

I am poor, not a bourgeosie-liberal reformist, and i need a revolution. So fuck Shenonymous and fuck all middle class liberals.  In a revolution they can be on the side of the capitalists if they love capitalism so much. However some liberals say that they hate capitalism, but they also hate socialism. Well if they are neutral they can go to the moon.

This society and system of Mcdonalds, Burger Kings and Pizza Huts all over the place, obesity rates, dollar devaluation, poverty, misery, homelessness and americahs dying of cancer, diabetes and heart attacks.

This capitalist imperialist system is a death penalty impossed by force on all americans, and that’s what the middle class bourgeoise-reformists in this website want.

By rejecting revolution, and radical-change, the bourgeoise middle class liberals are welcoming this american way of life. Of obesity, drug addiction, crime, corruption, poverty, hopelessness, depression and misery. that’s the american way of life for most americans.

Americans deserve pleasures, health, fun, parties, socializing, social inclusion, higher learning, spiritual and emotional freedom and in this shitty system they are not getting it

So TO HELL WITH THE BOURGEOISE LIBERALS REFORMISTS. THE DESPERATE AMERICANS NEED A REVOLUTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO END PAIN, MISERY, DEPRESSION, CANCER, OBESITY, DIABETES, AND PAIN CAUSED BY CAPITALISM

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 26, 2010 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR USA IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF NIETZSCHE’S SUPERMAN. Buy the books Thus Spoke Zarathustra, The Will to Power, Beyond Good and Evil, Twilight of The Idols, Human all Too Human, and after you read all those books, buy The Case for Socialism by Alan Maass, The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx, What is to Be done, and The State and Revolution (both by Lenin). You can also print socialism-literature from http://www.marxist.com http://www.wsws.org and http://www.marxists.org http://www.911truth.org/

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 26, 2010 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

ANYBODY HERE HEARD ABOUT A CURFEW IN MIAMI, FLORIDA JUST LIKE IN THE MOVIE V FOR VENDETTA?

Well folks, some people thought that Alex Jones and his Police-State films were crazy.  I know that he is a libertarian, not a progressive socialist.  But here is a great film about the coming full police corporate state in USA by monopoly-capitalist class (The oligarchy shadow government):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho


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By ofersince72, April 26, 2010 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

Lefeller,  you have a legitimate gripe with me !!
and I will continue to enjoy your humor ....and
perspective.

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By JDmysticDJ, April 26, 2010 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous

I’ve noticed you’re not shy about offering your opinions. Having read most of the comments on this thread, your comments stand out as being indifferent. Indifference doesn’t strike me as being very appealing, when contemplating current realities.

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By Leefeller, April 26, 2010 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, please accept my apologies for I have been
rude. Sometimes I am an insinuative lout!  Posting as you
do is hard for me to follow, but you are free to do as
you wish and I should not have made my insensitive
comments toward your posting. Especially after
attempting the multiple posting approach of posting, I
find it is in many ways much harder then the way I Prefer
for my self.

People express themselves in different ways, who am I to
criticize anyone in how they express themselves? After
what has been going on here, I feel all posters should be
allowed to feel equal here. Disagreement in opinion need
not be led by insults.

Please again accept my apology!

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By Inherit The Wind, April 26, 2010 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael, April 26 at 11:30 pm #

Inherit the Wind said: I’m content with who I am, faults and all.

I too am content with ITW’s faults.

Among his few virtues(you can find them if you look closely), there is one virtue of his that I especially like. I like how ITW stands up for people who are being treated wrongly, even people who he vehemently disagrees with.

I also find it most admirable that when Jewish people are being put down ITW identifies himself as Jewish and by doing so he stands in the breach that the anti-semites are trying to open up. These virtues are like flowers in the fields of Truthdig.

But we must put ITW’s virtues in perspective.

Please survey the vast field of personae that is ITW. You will notice that the weeds far surpass the sparse flowers as you gaze across the meadow of ITW’s many posts over the many years. The tangle stretches for miles.

Then by comparison you read your own posts, which arent so hot either but by comparison they are slightly better than ITW’s. And you will admit that you are content with ITW’s faults too.

Finally, read my posts. Survey the years of wit and wisdom, as each month the blossoms spill forth into the air their magnificent fragrance. The fecundity is matched only by the profundity. Indeed.

So i too am content with the faults of ITW. How else would we know the sweetness of a rose if there were no weeds nearby?

And now if you will excuse me i will snip this last sentence off as I put the finishing touches on this bouquet…
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Bouquet? PEE-YEW, does that stink! 

(Couldn’t resist—I know OM can take a joke)

Actually, OM had me chuckling and laughing out loud!

I think THIS was my favorite part:
“Please survey the vast field of personae that is ITW. You will notice that the weeds far surpass the sparse flowers as you gaze across the meadow of ITW’s many posts over the many years. The tangle stretches for miles.

To “The tangle stretches for miles.” I plead “nolo contendre”!

Oh, was this a good laugh!  Thanks, OM!  I feel exactly the same as you!

(can’t stop chuckling)

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