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Posted on Jun 17, 2011
AP / Seth Wenig

Anthony Weiner speaks to the media while announcing his resignation from Congress on Thursday in New York.

By Peter Z. Scheer

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A campaign operative once told me that in 20 years or so we’ll be less fixated on a candidate’s private life. Everyone will have embarrassing photos, comments and videos on Facebook and elsewhere. Bill Clinton caught hell for admitting coming within sniffing distance of a joint, while George W. Bush and Barack Obama got elected despite alleged and admitted cocaine use. Eventually politics catch up to the culture, or at least that’s the idea.

I doubt that many voters’ porn searches would stand up to the scrutiny currently applied to Weiner. That said, I certainly don’t mean to endorse his behavior. He appears to be, at best, a cyber slut and at worst a sexual harasser. However, it is outrageous that Weiner’s Twitter foul cost him his job when we take rampant corruption in Washington for granted.

Take Meredith Attwell Baker, who, as an FCC commissioner, voted to approve the merger of Comcast and NBC. About four months later she would go to work for the new company, as a lobbyist, no less. Why isn’t the name Meredith Attwell Baker synonymous with corruption? Why hasn’t the public demanded her resignation from the corporation? Why hasn’t Congress held hearings on the suspect operation at the Federal Communications Commission?

Had Baker sent a Twitter follower a boob shot, she would be notorious.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, June 18, 2011 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

Lew Ceifer

You just gave a spectacular analysis. Even explaining why TruthDig is doing stories on Weiner-gate.

Funny thing is, I was at the Netroots Nation Conference in Minneapolis.

Each and every speaker there were Democratic Party and Obama apologists. Each and every one.

However, the people attending were not. In fact maybe some of these “progressive” news sites could do a story on how Obama’s Press lackey Dan Pfeiffer was booed off the stage.

Then of course I has a great old time. Passed out about 500 Bumper Stickers for the New Progressive Alliance.

It said
Lesser Evil? Still Evil- Join PDA newprogs.org

They were very well received.

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By DaveZx3, June 18, 2011 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

By FRANKENCHRIST, June 18 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

“I’m not going to waste my time debating with a foolish creationist. It’s a free country so you can continue to believe in your invisible superhero that lives in the sky, and I’ll continue to believe in science. Sound fair?”
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It is not about believing in an invisible superhero, but it is about being honest about the evidence for a theory which has been floundering for years in the respectable scientific community.

If you say you are free to continue to believe in science, then you must allow a part of your brain to take in the whole of the scientific spectrum of opinion regarding darwinism. 

A simple google of the words, “science against evolution” will bring up a shitpot full of evidence that shows science is slowly turning its back on this theory as a bigger fairy tale than creation.  The pressure to go along with the macro-evolution model for the sake of one’s career is slowly dissolving into a sea of significant doubt, based solely on lack of evidence.
I guess you can’t hide lack of evidence forever. 

As FRTothus says, “Neither intelligent design, nor Darwin, explains things as we find them, takes all the
evidence into account.  We simply do not yet know how
things happened, and any professor or priest (or
politician or pundit) who says they do is the real
liar”

So, yes, we are all free to believe in our pet theories, but honest adults to not force a theory into a classroom setting for which a significant number of very educated men say is absolutely lacking credible evidence.  That is simply dishonest and dishonorable, and is no different than the lack of honesty and honor we find in our public officials far too often.  People lie through their teeth to further an agenda, which may or may not have a shred of truth to it. 

Academics and science should be free to entertain the possibility of all potential models when evidence does not point overwhelmingly to any one of them.  And, like Bachmann’s statement, that she would like to see “intelligent design” taught in public schools, this should not brand her as unfit for office, and should certainly not be compared to Weiner’s lying. 

You liberals need to broaden your horizons.  Things ain’t quite the way they used to be, and you have to keep up.  Many of your early 20th century philosophies are simply dead in the water, and you need to come up with some credible alternatives or you will continue to look like those you call brainless conservatives, spouting ideas which have been abandoned by the free thinkers years ago. 

You need to prepare to give up your ideas about the “Big Bang” also, because evidence over the past decade or more has shown that the Doppler effect (red shift)from distant galaxies thought to show that the universe is expanding from the “big bang” is not credible.  I won’t go into the details because you probably wouldn’t understand it anyway, but the “big bang” theory is all but dead in the water also.  Believe me.

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By D.R. Zing, June 18, 2011 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

Must say I’m in the camp that says this issue is a reflection of Puritanical history.

Here’s why: You can’t say shit on television. You’ll lose your job. Television news anchors and journalists have to pretend they are asexual Puritans.  The true editors of television news are children, advertisers, and “The Holy Bible is literally the word of God” septuagenarians who go to church every Sunday—that’s who producers must consider for every story:  Is it suitable for children, will it piss off advertisers, will granny, who doesn’t understand the The Holy Bible is Hebrew and Christian mythology, have a hernia over this? And by the way can Joe Bob, who reads at an eighth grade level and drinks beef for breakfast, make sense of this? 

It’s why television journalists do those terrible closing statements that always seem to bathe everything in Puritanical light.  It’s why the television news was the band leader for start of the war on drugs in the 1980s. It’s why television news never never never points out that outlawing prostitution is bad for women, bad for our health, and bad for our sex lives. 

It why even PBS had to describe a picture of man with a healthy penis in his underwear as “explicit”  (we’ve all seen the gaping chasms of explicitness and the festering boils of obscenity; what Weiner did was cheeky at worst).  And it’s why children can watch Army recruiting commercials showing war as a video game in which they are invincible—and believe it. Just once television news needs to show the back of a soldier’s leg five minutes after an AK-47 bullet has passed through the bone. But they can’t. That would frighten children into not joining the army, it would piss off advertisers, and Granny would have a hernia. Joe Bob would probably dig it, though. 

The result, of course, is that journalists suffer frequently from Pentecostal Preacher’s Son Syndrome.  They are tattletales because their own lives are miserable, because they are censored more than anyone else is censored, and, damnit, someone’s gotta suffer like they’re suffering. 

Beyond this, television news sucks. It’s boring precisely because it censors for children, bows to advertisers, and cowers before septuagenarian churchgoers. Any thinking adult watching the news knows he or she is being bullshitted. We know the news presents a Disney version of politics, of war, of the economy, of damn near everything.  And television news know they suck, too. 

It’s why they’re such Puritans about covering Weiner’s weener. They need something titillating that doesn’t actually show any tits. They need something the average nitwit can understand because they cater to nitwits.  They need something that will appall granny in a way that nourishes her sanctimony and causes her to discuss the news with her sanctimonious friends—never mind what she did in the backseat of that Chevy in 1957.

In sum, I disagree with my esteemed commentators below who say this issue is not important.  It is
important because it illustrates again—as with Balloon Boy who was in the attic, as with the Trump Left at the Alter story, as with the coverage of Sarah Palin, the drug war, prostitution, the Cold War, and our current wars—that the television news media are simply an outlet for propaganda and a tool for distraction. 

May they all burn in hell with me and my mother. That’s all I’m saying.

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By Lew Ciefer, June 18, 2011 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

@ Russian Paul, June 17 at 6:16 pm
really interesting how truthdig has like 5 articles on weiner, but not one mention
of the lawsuit filed by Kucinich, and 10 other members of congress,

It’s not only Truthdig but the entire corporate-state owned Media apparatus. Weiner and Libya presented the Democrats in the Congress with one hell of a conundrum. How to help Weiner weather the storm and divert attention from the 3 Gorgons’ war U.S. humanitarian efforts in Libya.

Unable to help Weiner weather the storm, the Wiener affair news blitz is now a convenient misdirection play which is serving two purposes. First, it is avoiding investigation into just who the hell is responsible for having thrown Weiner under a bus. The Dems realize that this Weiner affair is probably an internecine payback for the dirty tricks Weiner used to win his seat his first time out. He backstabbed powerful forces within the Democrat machine in New York. Come closer…I’m whispering because the walls have ears. Those powerful forces have to do with leaders of one of the Dems former preferred minority groups. I can’t mention any names but think black, the only one of his kind to hold the office of mayor of N.Y, rainbows and love child. Remember, you didn’t hear it from me.

Second, when pressure began to mount due to more evidence of just what an embarrassing, self-absorbed little dweeb Weiner really is the Dems had an out. Provide Weiner with the obligatory golden parachute to take the fall and use a media blitz to divert public attention from another piece of the conundrum; Obama’s wanton and arrogant disregard of Constitutional procedures—for which the Democrats excoriated Bush—in involving the U.S. in yet another inexplicable war humanitarian effort in Libya and escalating aggressions humanitarian efforts in Yemen that may soon see the U.S. fighting on a fourth front, making the score Bush 2 : Obama 2.5, since he also escalated the Afghan war that he promised to end increasing humanitarian aid to that country. 

The Dems problem is that Obama is not only their divine but a ‘Mocha Savior.’ How can they criticize the actions of a member of a preferred minority group, who also happens to be black (well… half), with close ties to—if not one incognito—their current most highly favored, got to be protected because of their superior virtue, yet apparently totally inept without the Left’s utmost parental care, BFF minority-non-minority group, without appearing to be ideologically trapped closeted racists insensitive? Adding to the paradox is that Obama as the one man responsible for dropping more bombs and killing more brown people providing many hundreds of Muslims a taxpayer provided trip to visit Muslim heaven in 2009, was awarded the Nobel Farceur Peace Prize.

Four superior virtue points with a large dose of divinity! How can mere humans criticize a god? They can’t. So they media blitz the public with a Jew weenie joke. Or is that joke of a Jew weenie? Not important ... This is good cover for about a week until another absolutely insignificant scandal arises to continue diverting public attention from the escalating excrement storm increasing humanitarian needs in the Islamic world Middle East.

Have you heard the term ‘collateral damage’ since the start of the 3 Gorgons’ war humanitarian efforts in Libya? Yet the first day more than 100 missiles humanitarian good-will packages were launched parachuted into Libya. Think about that!

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By D.R. Zing, June 18, 2011 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

Interesting Peter, that you mention David Gergen.
I’ve always thought if you encased his whole body in
a giant condom he would look like a really big—

Seriously, though, Gergen represents something
terribly wrong with the television news media. He
lives in the off-the-record, on-the-record world,
where “journalicians”—part politician part
journalist—create Disneyesque fairy tale worlds for
the public. He has access to politicians because they
know they can cast the magic spell (“this is off the
record”) and he won’t tell. And he’s on the news as
an analyst because he has access to politicians and
can intimate the machinations of politics without
giving the public any meaningful information. 

Journalicians are just as facile at deceiving the
public as politicians.  They are specialists at lying
by omission, otherwise known as dissembling, to
create a version of reality missing critical pieces
that prevent people from ascertaining the truth.  Ban
him from the news.  Break up the television news
media into small companies that are not subsidiaries
of any other companies and do not own any other
companies. It’s the only way to keep massive pricks
like Gergen off the air.

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By Anarcissie, June 18, 2011 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

Evidently Truthdig thinks you should read my message twice!!

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By Anarcissie, June 18, 2011 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

DaveZx3, June 18 at 8:08 am:

‘There continues to be no mention of the blatant lying
Wiener committed over a few interviews before he
resigned. ...’
 

Of course Weiner lied.  Anything else would have been immoral and dishonest.  If he emailed pictures of his penis or whatever to consenting adults, it was his and their business alone, to be obscured and suppressed as well as possible, just as one keeps one’s pants on in the street regardless of possibly taking them off among friends.

However, since Weiner was in a position where dishonesty and immorality are required, the correct power strategy would have been to throw morality and decorum to the winds and go up front with not only the whole story but the worst possible interpretation of it, disgracing himself and embarrassing his wife, his relatives, his friends, his supporters and his constituents.  After that, the story, being fundamentally vacuous and trivial, would have died.  That’s the kind of thing we like in America—a two-week run of trashy soap opera, decorated by tedious wordplay and pictures of B celebrities in the tabloids. 

Instead, Weiner scurried around like a mouse, bringing out not only the cats of his own party but the wolves and hyenas of the Right.  The mouse won’t be much of a feast, though, so we can expect the broken zoo of our politics to be on the hunt for bigger game.

As for Evolution, I’ve never seen a scintilla of solid, rational evidence against it.  I’d be most interested in a URL or two.  Note: this does not mean I want to hear again about either Creationism or Intelligent Design, neither of which have any actual scientific content.  I’m talking about physical facts.

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By Anarcissie, June 18, 2011 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

DaveZx3, June 18 at 8:08 am:

‘There continues to be no mention of the blatant lying
Wiener committed over a few interviews before he
resigned. ...’
 

Of course Weiner lied.  Anything else would have been immoral and dishonest.  If he emailed pictures of his penis or whatever to consenting adults, it was his and their business alone, to be obscured and suppressed as well as possible, just as one keeps one’s pants on in the street regardless of possibly taking them off among friends.

However, since Weiner was in a position where dishonesty and immorality are required, the correct power strategy would have been to throw morality and decorum to the winds and go up front with not only the whole story but the worst possible interpretation of it, disgracing himself and embarrassing his wife, his relatives, his friends, his supporters and his constituents.  After that, the story, being fundamentally vacuous and trivial, would have died.  That’s the kind of thing we like in America—a two-week run of trashy soap opera, decorated by tedious wordplay and pictures of B-list celebrities in the tabloids. 

Instead, Weiner scurried around like a mouse, bringing out not only the cats of his own party but the wolves and hyenas of the Right.  The mouse won’t be much of a feast, though, so we can expect the broken zoo of our politics to be on the hunt for bigger game.

As for Evolution, I’ve never seen a scintilla of solid, rational evidence against it.  I’d be most interested in a URL or two.  Note: this does not mean I want to hear again about either Creationism or Intelligent Design, neither of which have any actual scientific content.  I’m talking about physical facts.

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By FRANKENCHRIST, June 18, 2011 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

@Blackspear I disagree that Weiner was forced out because of evangelical Puritanism. In my opinion he is a stunted man-child with disturbing infantile habits. He is not fit to make decisions that affect the rest of the nation.

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By Cutting edge, June 18, 2011 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment
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How ridiculous is this ?  Mr. Weiner is insecure about his weenie so the entire Nation has to indulge him in his Freudian frenzy. In the meantime, there is an attempt in San Francisco to make the mutilation of boys’ genitals ( read circumcision) illegal and punishable by $1000 fine. 

Fortunately female genital mutilation HAS been recognized as illegal in North America.  Why then is the U.S. so backward that it can’t make the intellectual leap that male genital mutilation is equally primitive? There are probably many more whiners out there other than former Congressman Weiner, who indeed may have good reason to be so self-conscious.

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By Blackspeare, June 18, 2011 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

In a nation with a Puritanical/Evangelical background anything of a
sexual nature is very bad while stealing is just bad.

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By FRTothus, June 18, 2011 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

@FRANKENCHRIST

Why must you be insulting?

Apparently, what you feel wastes your time includes
reading what was written.  Where did I say anything
about a sky god?  Where did DaveZx3??

I repeat:

Neither intelligent design, nor Darwin,
explains things as we find them, takes all the
evidence into account.  We simply do not yet know how
things happened, and any professor or priest (or
politician or pundit) who says they do is the real
liar.

Being in a free country does not allow you to put
words into other people’s mouths.  Being an adult
means you show some manners.

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By FRANKENCHRIST, June 18, 2011 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

I’m not going to waste my time debating with a foolish creationist. It’s a free country so you can continue to believe in your invisible superhero that lives in the sky, and I’ll continue to believe in science. Sound fair?

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By FRTothus, June 18, 2011 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

>>>>>>>>>>@FRANKENCHRIST

“”@DaveZx3
“There are far too many reputable, secular scientists
from major universities who are coming out against
Darwinism.”

Actually, that’s a colossal lie.”“

If DaveZx3’s statement is a lie, then that shows the
intellectual dishonesty rampant at the university
level, a condition I would agree exists.

Any real investigation will yield results that run
directly counter to Darwin’s major conclusions. Any
real scientist will find abundant evidence. One such
example, perhaps the most definitive, is the
explosion of life that occurred in late Cambrian era. 
Another is what “science” glosses over with the term
“concurrent evolution” where substantially identical
organs develop by entirely different means (see the
nerve-based human eye versus the skin-based eye of
the octopus, for example).  The historical record
shows no developmental genetic trial and error, shows
no sign of gradual development, shows complexity from
the very beginning.

The fact is, neither intelligent design, nor Darwin,
explains things as we find them, takes all the
evidence into account.  We simply do not yet know how
things happened, and any professor or priest who says
they do is the real liar.

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By Textynn, June 18, 2011 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment
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“while George W. Bush and Barack Obama got elected
despite alleged and admitted cocaine use. Eventually
politics catch up to the culture, or at least that’s the
idea.”

This brings up another huge oddity about what is okay for
one person and the end of a career for another.  Had Bush
been arrested he wouldn’t have been tried because of his
connections and would not have a drug crime on his record
regardless.  In his case. he didn’t even have this little
problem to navigate.  However, it is known that he is
guilty of drug crime but because he wasn’t “caught” he is
eligible to be a president of the US. Apparently not
getting officially caught makes his crime acceptable. 

Same for Obama. Had he been caught using cocaine and
tried for what he has admitted, he too, would not be
eligible to be elected.

But everyone knows these two DID engage in what is
considered criminal activity.  The acceptance of the
difference is unexplainable.

When a right wing flunky on tv (can’t remember the little
turd’s name)was asked to justify his opinion towards
Wiener vs Vitter, he reasoned that Vitters behavior was 5
years ago.  So we have a fairly strong consensus that not
getting caught in a crime and/or being able to stall punishment for a certain period of time are equal to
purity and never having really done anything wrong.

It just goes to prove what we have always known.  It’s
rarely what you actually know or do but who you are and
how crafty and or dangerous you are to deal with that
determines how life treats you.

If I was Wiener, I would have just acted like these guys.
Like I was so superior of a person that the common laws
don’t apply to me.  In a little time, he would have
purified himself under the current, not so unspoken,
rules.  Wiener didn’t even break any laws so nothing
could have advanced legally.

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By FRTothus, June 18, 2011 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

@monkeymind

Very well said, sir.  A very keen observation.

Identifying problems with arguments is not taught in
schools, debate is not taught in schools, civics is
not taught in schools, honor and fidelity ancient
history…

Where, pray, are our fellows to learn how to be civil
and honest, to think clearly?

The body politic has suffered major body blows, and
has been bled by parasites.

Prescriptions, it seems to me, are what we need.

Meanwhile, we suffer the death of a thousand cuts,
and our fellows bicker among themselves sometimes
with venomous personal attacks (which I believe are
indicative of the subterfuge of anger, loathing and
distrust sewn by years of US communist/terrorist
propaganda, the governing strategy of defining a
common enemy for the purposes of social cohesion - in
other words, the eroding effects of rule by deception
and (psychological and financial) manipulation.  How
does one dismantle such a tyranny?  How does one sew
courage into a whipped and scattered people, so
betrayed?

Prescriptions.

We must organize, we are told. 

Where, I ask.

Under what banner or cause that is not here today and
gone tomorrow?  With what tool can the cancer be dug
out?  Unions are toothless, the nation filled with
scabs.  Letters are thrown away, not printed.  Phone
calls are ignored.  Unfavorable polls are not
published.  Protests are met with ruthless billy
clubs and worse (Our army WILL fire on us, of that I
have little doubt.)

Is this not taxation without representation that we
have?  Who is being represented?  Not Main Street,
that is certain, while the only thing trickling down
is bile and urine.

What the hell are we supposed to do?  We have no new
land to move to, none of the red man’s land to take
left, no black slave in the field to generate
wealth…

No matter what we say, they do whatever the hell they
want, anyway. Bankrupt companies are bailed out,
bankrupt ideas and death squads are backed and
funded.  We say no to something, they appropriate
funds for it, funds they assume the sheeple will pay. 
And, true to form, they are coming after pensions and
social security, after decades of infiltration and
sabotage  

What happens when the people start to say No More and
really mean it? 

I wonder if Americans have the fight in them,
anymore. They’ve been scared so long, so many believe
the lies, so many keep their heads down.


Respect.

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By FRANKENCHRIST, June 18, 2011 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

@DaveZx3
“There are far too many reputable, secular scientists
from major universities who are coming out against
Darwinism.”

Actually, that’s a colossal lie.

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By DaveZx3, June 18, 2011 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, June 18 at 9:15 am

“Now would I rather see Weiner or Michelle Bachmann
in the House?  That’s a no-brainer, but Bachmann has
managed to escape such bone-head moves and, instead,
confines herself to bone-head statements, like we
should teach “intelligent design” in schools.”
——————————————————————————-

Comparing Bachmann’s comments regarding intelligent
design to Wiener’s lying is a little bit of a bone-
headed statement on your part, I would think.

There are far too many reputable, secular scientists
from major universities who are coming out against
Darwinism. 

But you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure
out that genetics is a code, called the “blueprint
for life”  and its purpose is to categorize life
forms according to this blueprint or plan.  There is
nothing random about a blueprint or a code.  Both are
evidence of intelligence attempting to provide for
future outcomes.  Planning for future outcomes is not
a function of randomness, but is a function of
intelligence.  Do you realize what the probability
is that the Human Genome could have been a random act
of nature?  It alone has destroyed the myth of
evolution in the minds of clear thinkers. 

The problem for science is that it is stuck with
evolution, as no other theory is forthcoming other
than intelligent design, and that is unthinkable!!!

Bachmann is not making a bone-headed statement, she
is merely postulating about what may be in the future
as science abandons Darwinism in mass.  She is not
out on a limb on this, but has significant backing,
and is speaking with genuine conviction, and has the
guts to speak her convictions, even knowing she will
be ridiculed by the “establishment”.  To compare
with Wiener’s lies is more bone-headed than Wiener
himself. 

One has character and courage and the other tweets
his penis to little girls and lies about it.  And you
say it is a no-brainer.  It would be funny if it was
not so pathetic.

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By FRANKENCHRIST, June 18, 2011 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

Weener was a psychopathic degenerate freak. Anyone could do a better job than him.

He had at least one thing in common with Grayson: neither of them ever introduced meaningful legislation. They were too busy chasing the television cameras.

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By Jill O'reilly, June 18, 2011 at 11:02 am Link to this comment
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Truthdig needs money to do what it does.
Truthdig makes money by getting people to click
on links that lead to pages with advertising on
them. Truthdig posts weiner stories because
people click on links that lead to pages with
weiner stories on them. It ain’t that difficult to
understand.

I clicked the link to this weiner story, so I’m not
going to complain about Truthdig posting it. If
you really want Truthdig to stop posting weiner
stories, then don’t click on links that lead to
pages with weiner stories on them. Instead, find
the Contact Us link on the site, click on it, and
then fill out the user submission form to voice
your displeasure about the presence of weiner
stories on the site.

If Truthdig receives zero clicks to pages that
have weiner stories on them, and instead
receives 100 Contact Us link clicks along with
100 user complaint submissions about the
presence of weiner stories on the site, then I’ll
bet that there’ll be far less weiner stories on
Truthdig.

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By IceNine, June 18, 2011 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

Peter Scheer’s concluding paragraph:
“I suppose it’s asking a lot of the same Congress that keeps us in multiple pointless wars and puts our children into debt on behalf of Citigroup to get its priorities straight, and it’s too much to ask America’s cable news networks to stop living for this kind of garbage. But can’t we at least expect more of ourselves?”

I think if we are to have any hope of Congress getting its priorities straight and/or cable news networks getting serious about reporting news and going in-depth where it really matters - if we are to have any hope for these to happen, then we truly must “expect more of ourselves.”

In fact, expecting more of ourselves, across the board, is the one real imperative, the one prerequisite without which we honestly cannot hope to change what is wrong in our country right now.

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By gerard, June 18, 2011 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

Weiner, Palin, Bachmann, Gingrich, Weiner, Palin, Backmann, Gingrich, Weiner, Palin ......
Where is Osama bin Ladin when we need him ?????

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By Inherit The Wind, June 18, 2011 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

I actually have no problem with Weiner being forced to resign for being a dick-head (pun intended).  I might like his political positions but the man clearly lacks judgement. Actions taken in the past, well, who wants to be judged on all the risky idiot things we did in our teens and twenties?  But as an elected Congressman, your judgement IS crucial.

Now would I rather see Weiner or Michelle Bachmann in the House?  That’s a no-brainer, but Bachmann has managed to escape such bone-head moves and, instead, confines herself to bone-head statements, like we should teach “intelligent design” in schools.  Yet even a slip of the tongue can be devastating.  George Allen had a pretty good shot of being President in 2008, but calling an American, who happened to be of Indian descent “Macaca” (after Macacque monkeys). was shit-canned in less than a week.

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By CuresRiches, June 18, 2011 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

Berlusconi has simply buried his underage prostitute scandal with; denial, excuses, smiles and jokes.

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By DaveZx3, June 18, 2011 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

There continues to be no mention of the blatant lying
Wiener committed over a few interviews before he
resigned. 

If a non-liberal lies, it is front page news for
weeks, so why so hush on Wiener’s superb performance. 
Watch those interviews again.  The man turned in an
award winning performance.  He should go into acting. 

I continue to mention the issue of lying in the
effort to find out if we have gotten to that point in
the progressive agenda where lying has become the
norm and perfectly acceptable if it forwards the
agenda.  I think maybe we have.

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By Jeremiah, June 18, 2011 at 7:55 am Link to this comment
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Anyone who says there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans should note that Republican Vitter, the diaper freak: was not pressured to resign by Republicans, is still in the Senate, and was re-elected after receiving campaign contributions from John Boehner and Eric Cantor.  Vitter received a standing ovation at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.

Boehner is soon to be exposed for adulterous behavior, and the number of scandals involving Republicans far exceeds the number of scandals involving Democrats.

So far there are no Democratic scandals involving “wide stances,” male pages, diapers, live in bastards (sorry kid, not your fault), etc. etc.

I learned that two wrongs don’t make a right, in kindergarten or shortly thereafter. All these scandals, sexual and otherwise (a new one nearly everyday) is social commentary that says a great deal about the quality of our elected representatives, and the quality of our society in general. Turn on any sitcom and see how long you can watch before being confronted by reprobation. “The Media is the Message,” and a reflection of societal mores, “Give the People what they want.” If we are doomed, as so many seem to believe, the reason is right before your very eyes.

It’s the decadence, stupid.

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By Anarcissie, June 18, 2011 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

Right now, this is the most popular story on Truthdig, so it must be that everyone wants to read about it and discuss it.  Weiner’s wiener—ha, ha, it’s irresistible, even after having been worked over by the media for weeks.  It also exposes the inability of a large number of people to think or even exhibit common sense, but there’s nothing new about that.

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By PatrickHenry, June 18, 2011 at 6:41 am Link to this comment

Another Weiner story?

How about the pending Gaza blockade running flotilla?

Fukushima?

Illegal drone attacks in Yemen by CIA non combatants?

BDS sanctions on Israel?

Many of the other posters are correct when they label this sort of story a ‘sideshow’ from real unreported or underreported events.

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By Stencil, June 18, 2011 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

I find the narrative absurd: “all politicians are crooks, why should we be shocked or appalled if they are flashers too?”

You might as well say they are all crooks so anything they do should not be shocking, from endorsing the slaughter of civilians in Gaza to stealing from tax payers to give out lucrative contracts to friend’s inside the Clinton political machine. It’s all OK because politicians are expected to be corrupt and small moral misdemeanors effect less people and are less significant in the hedonistic calculus of our determined existence than say giving 2 billion dollars in weapons to a state that will use them against civilians.

It is all repulsive and nauseating, while the flashing is absurd, comical and a reflection of the burlesque show this nation’s political system has become, it’s not OK to justify it just because politicians cause so much more harm in other areas of human existence.

Franky I wouldn’t miss more than 90% of our legislature taking a walk, on their own or with a little shove. What’s to love about another clan Clinton political operative?

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By peterjkraus, June 18, 2011 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

Weiner, Grayson and soon Kucinich will be out of
office because they rocked the boat. Who cares
about electronic dicks? All of these political
hypocrites who hyperventilated in public over
Weiner´s boo boo have their own skeletons in
closets all over this country. That´s not it:
simply the fact that vocal politicians standing
up for their constituents´interests are bad for
business in Washington DC.
Democracy? Reah, sure.

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By Mike789, June 18, 2011 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

Quite frankly I thought Weiner a firebrand. Alan Grayson was another. Both will be missed.

It is not hard to imagine, as it comes out that Weiner was not liked by members of his own party, that he was just rocking the boat too much. “Don’t cha know, we’re supposed to roll over and play dead for the lobbyists?”

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By Ronald Harvey, June 18, 2011 at 1:52 am Link to this comment
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There are many stories.  There are many leads toward
more of them in this article and it is your term to
describe what effects the new generations most that
is more intriguing than the inference in the decline
of a Congressman.  It is “The Surveillance State” and
when is it time to call 911?

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By DaveZx3, June 18, 2011 at 1:18 am Link to this comment

Whatever was weird and socially unacceptable a few decades ago is fully acceptable today.  This is what passes for progressivism.  To erase all standards for socially acceptable behavior.  Makes me envision presidents under the oval office desk playing with cigars.  No problem.  What you do on the job is your personal business. 

But the real issue in Weiner’s case is his very skillful performance while denying the whole thing.  Watch it again.  The man is a highly skilled liar. 

If a man can’t be truthful about the small things, how can he be trusted with the big things?  If liars are elected to higher office, how can a democracy survive?  Do liars only lie about personal matters?

Put another way, I think it is some type of natural law that says your circumstances will degenerate to a condition representing the worst possible state that you will accept.

Exhibit A:  The United States of America.  We have fully accepted the fact that our representatives are liars and crooks, among other things.  So we should quit complaining about how the government performs, shouldn’t we?

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By THX 1133 is not in the movie..., June 18, 2011 at 1:03 am Link to this comment

Russian Paul, June 17 at 6:16 pm Link to this
comment
really interesting how truthdig has like 5 articles
on weiner, but not one mention
of the lawsuit filed by Kucinich, and 10 other
members of congress, both
republican and democrat, for not consulting congress
before approving war in
Libya. sure, you can dismiss it as political theater,
but at least REPORT on it. stop
feeding us this garbage about weiner, it’s not real
news.
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Cogent and needed saying…

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By johndrachel, June 17, 2011 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

We are all guilty of perverse morality and hypocrisy, just not as obvious about it: “Sweet Nothings In The Digital Age” ... http://jdrachel.com/?p=453

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By monkeymind, June 17, 2011 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

Nope. Sorry. It is not outrageous that sadsack Weiner bowed to pressure relinquishing a job for which he was elected to based in no small part on character. In fact, this all may just be even more vivid as facts about to whom he was sexting and from where (within the walls of Congress) come into the evenly bright light of truth. Remember, fellow citizens, it is us - we taxpayers - who pay for the Congressional Gym, the warm towel Weiner wrapped around his waist and even the bandwidth over which he twittingly twittered. Remember too, my brothers and sisters, that many of us can’t afford gyms, warm towels, Blackberrys avec cameras, iphones and bandwidth. Many of us are out of work, underemployed, cast in silos of our nation’s capital (with a small ‘c’) cozy cuddle with Capitalism (with a big C) and wall street while waiting for even a drop of tinkle down Bush/Obama economics to reach us in the form of healthcare or the whisper of a promise of a job.
I hope Wiener’s weiner leads the way not to the overflowing bin of political pariahs who find resurrection after confession and rehab but to the left, my lost left, finding some courage to demand clarity. Real clarity, friends. Say to that almighty right, “yep, he was a characterless fool cast in the mold of Clinton and Spitzer, and we as the party of clarity and truth are not going to condone him or his actions. But, while I have your narrowing newscycle attention, we are not going to condone 3 + wars, a percentage of GDP spent on defense that is greater than all ‘western’, NATO and Brick countries combined, a politic that embraces lobby over single moms, a Fed that enterprises Wall Street before Main, and a codified humanity that welcomes prison but closes hospitals and schools.”
Bye bye Weiner. Sorry you had a crisis of character in cyberspace’s public domain. But not martyr this democrat gone wild. Lets use this event as a catalyst and shine that same bright light of truth on the real forces eroding our world.

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By JJW, June 17, 2011 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment
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I really don’t care what consenting adults do in private.  This has nothing to do with national politics and doesn’t affect me in the least.

The reporters and people in DC are like infants in the kindercare sand box.  It truly is sad and unpleasant to see.

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By Egomet Bonmot, June 17, 2011 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

American puritanism?  Give me a break.  Caligula himself would have trouble governing if his balls were bannered on every streetcorner.

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By jrundin, June 17, 2011 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

I agree with your general points, Peter Scheer.

But there’s one thing that bothers me about this. It appears that a press mob
has just hounded an elected official out of office. Real reporting seemed to
indicate that Weiner’s constituents didn’t really care about the scandal that
much.

If his constituents didn’t like him, they could refuse to reëlect him. They could
even launch a recall.

But how is it right that a bunch of Washington reporters, who appear to be
prudes and act as if they were complete naïfs in matters sexual, get to hound
the guy out of office? They showed no regard for what Weiner’s constituents
wanted. But they did pretend to speak for some vast outrage. My experience of
people who think they are channeling others’ thoughts, particularly large
groups of others, is that they’re really just giving voice to their own crazy
delusions.

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By California Ray, June 17, 2011 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

Congressman Weiner would have come out better if he had told the truth. Senator Larry Craig, ditto.  When is one of these pols going to stop lying about his slutty sex life and simply respond, “Yeah. I did it. My choice. So what’s it to you?”

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By monkeymind, June 17, 2011 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment
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Nope. Sorry. It is not outrageous that sadsack Weiner bowed to pressure relinquishing a job for which he was elected to based in no small part on character. In fact, this all may just be even more vivid as facts about to whom he was sexting (minors)and from where (within the walls of a Congress) come into the evenly bright light of truth. Remember, fellow citizens, it is us - we taxpayers - who pay for the Congressional Gym, the warm towel Weiner wrapped around his waist and even the bandwidth over which he twittingly twittered. Remember too, my brothers and sisters, that many of us can’t afford gyms, warm towels, Blackberrys avec cameras, iphones and bandwidth. Many of us are out of work, underemployed, cast in silos of our nation’s capital (with a small ‘c’) cozy cuddle with Capitalism (with a big C) and wall street while waiting for even a drop of tinkle down Bush/Obama economics to reach us in the form of healthcare or the whisper of a promise of a job.
I hope Wiener’s weiner leads the way not to the overflowing bin of political pariahs who find resurrection after confession and rehab but to the left, my lost left, finding some courage to demand clarity. Real clarity, friends. Say to that almighty right, “yep, he was a characterless fool cast in the mold of Clinton and Spitzer, and we as the party of clarity and truth are not going to condone him or his actions. But, while I have your narrowing newscycle attention, we are not going to condone 3 + wars, a percentage of GDP spent on defense that is greater than all ‘western’, NATO and Brick countries combined, a politic that embraces lobby over single moms, a Fed that enterprises Wall Street before Main, and a codified humanity that welcomes prison but closes hospitals and schools.”
Bye bye Weiner. Sorry you had a crisis of character in cyberspace’s public domain. But not martyr this democrat gone wild. Lets use this event as a catalyst and shine that same bright light of truth on the real forces eroding our world.

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By John R., June 17, 2011 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Why does this feel like a distraction to real issues?

Please stop with this type of story.

We know you know better. There are larger actions taking place affecting
the poor, lower, and middle classes. 

Is this site being pressured by an outside source?

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By Conden, June 17, 2011 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment

He should have stuck it out, waited for the idiotic news corporations to find their next scandal, and stayed in his job.  It’s none of anyone’s business what he does in his sex life, and he isn’t a bad person for doing so.

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By mrfreeze, June 17, 2011 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

Russian Paul - Bravo!

Truthdig - Why oh why do you continue to post articles about or related to Weiner????????????Please stop. I’ve said this on the other pieces, THERE IS NOTHING TO LEARN FROM THIS STORY….as much as you and your commentators would like to think it so…...........STOP, PLEASE STOP, STOP, STOP, STOP with these stories.

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By Russian Paul, June 17, 2011 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

really interesting how truthdig has like 5 articles on weiner, but not one mention
of the lawsuit filed by Kucinich, and 10 other members of congress, both
republican and democrat, for not consulting congress before approving war in
Libya. sure, you can dismiss it as political theater, but at least REPORT on it. stop
feeding us this garbage about weiner, it’s not real news.

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By Anarcissie, June 17, 2011 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

So why did Weiner quit?  His known offenses were trivial.  Sure, he was stabbed in the back by the leadership of his party, but that’s par for the course.

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