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March to Nowhere

Posted on Oct 5, 2010
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Activists gather at the Lincoln Memorial to participate in the “One Nation Working Together” rally to promote job creation, diversity and tolerance.

By Chris Hedges

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The decimation of our working class through outsourcing and globalization dynamited two of the most important props of the democratic system—class consciousness and class conflict. This has left traditional political parties, which once represented differing class interests, with nothing to offer the public beyond fringe issues such as abortion or gay marriage. Those in the liberal class who cling to the corpse of the Democratic Party do so not because they believe in the policies of the party—it does not differ in any significant way from the Republican Party—but because they hope against hope that the party will somehow restore itself to its former position as a defender of liberal values and the working class interests. It is the politics of nostalgia. 

Our political theater has orphaned citizens who once looked to political parties to express and defend their interests. It has engendered apathy toward traditional social and political structures and an inchoate rage. This mixture of apathy and rage is a volatile cocktail. It finds its expression outside normal systems of dissent and in leaders who, in times of prosperity and stability, would be dismissed as lunatics. 

No rally, no positive message, no effort to expose the idiocies of those arrayed against us will work until we restore to the political process mechanisms by which ordinary citizens can be heard. Hannah Arendt in “The Origins of Totalitarianism” cites the collapse of traditional political mechanisms, which now plagues us, as the opening needed for all totalitarian movements:

“The fall of protecting class walls transformed the slumbering majorities behind all parties into one great unorganized, structureless mass of furious individuals who had nothing in common except their vague apprehension that the hopes of party members were doomed, that, consequently, the most respected, articulate and representative members of the community were fools and that all the powers that be were not so much evil as they were equally stupid and fraudulent.”


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By christian96, October 11, 2010 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

If you don’t think the mental functioning of people
leaves a little to be desired watch The Price Is
Right at 11am, EDT, on CBS, Mon.-Fri.  Four people bid on what they believe to be the price of a prize without going over the price. ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS
someone will bid $700 for example only to have the
next person bid $695. They left themself a range of
5 bucks to be the winner.  Stupid.  The vast majority
of voters in America are stupid.  That’s just the
way the politicans want it.  Ignorant and stupid
people voting.  That’s our democracy.  Enlightened?
Not quite.  Maybe about the score of their favorite
team in some sport but definitely not politics.

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By Kathleen Bushman, October 11, 2010 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment
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“Those in the liberal class who cling to the corpse of the Democratic Party do so not because they believe in the policies of the party—it does not differ in any significant way from the Republican Party—but because they hope against hope that the party will somehow restore itself to its former position as a defender of liberal values and the working class interests.” Republicans and Democrats both cling to the their corpse of their party - Americans are like drunken necrophiles dancing around the last flames of empire.  It’s scary to think what will follow - but the hangover is going to be a dilly.

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By jdyf333, October 11, 2010 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment


I agree that most bloggers are clueless. But people who vote are clueless AND
stupid. (Wake up and take a look around you. I sincerely hope you are not so
deluded that you think that The System works.)

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By DavidByron, October 11, 2010 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

StuartH: well I don’t think that would be an efficient means of finding out what I need to know.  Firstly if I want to find out about how a coal mine operates becoming a coal miner isn’t really the best approach.  Secondly as I said I suspect that local and national politics have different characteristics and I am interested in the national stuff, and not the electioneering part of it either.  The level I am wondering about you don’t get to volunteer and walk into a job.

I am sure it is true that people at that level have no time for blogging but many write memoirs after their work experience.  And too insider journalists such as Woodward specialise in a sort of reveal of what we’re supposed to believe of the political process.  Nevertheless it seems like nothing is learned of the real process that makes sense enough to have a predictive capacity.

This of course is no accident since what we do know about how politics really works at this level is by deceiving the general public routinely and that would be jeaopardised by any honest account.  In that respect it is a bit like getting a magician to reveal secrets of their craft.  If everyone knew how the illusions were done then it wouldn’t work any more.  That failure of the illusion is the desired outcome of knowledge here so we need someone who is basically willing to be a renegade former insider.  You would think in such an immoral field there would be such people.

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By StuartH, October 11, 2010 at 11:19 am Link to this comment


“For the last ten years more or less I’ve been reading these political blogs in
part trying to learn just that (how politics works) but in fact nobody ever says.”

Time to get away from the computer and find real people who know what they
are talking about to talk to.  Campaigns are working now.  Good time to go and
contact activists who are serious.  Ask about who is an example of an
experienced hand at “how politics works” and has a track record of involvement
with the real players in the real process.  Go find out which meetings these
people might be going to.  What concerns you?  There is probably a group of
people meeting to figure out ways to gain traction on that concern.  Blogging is
a totally separate reality from the people universe.  Mainly this is because
people who are drawn to work at issues are people people, and not particularly
bookish.  They “read” other people and get their information from talking to
others.  They tend to look at blogs as irrelevant and people who blog as largely

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 11, 2010 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

I think the last two posts were to be posted on the Atheist post, not this one… my apologies folks.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 11, 2010 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

Yet, Christ said: Matthew 15:10-11

Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’ ”

To reach out to the rest of the world with the message of Christ… to make people follow an unknown religion ( in this case Judaism ) in order to receive the salvation granted by GOD to ALL of mankind ( as was purposed and prophesied ) would be asking folks unfamiliar with the law ( which is NOT possible to uphold, for all fail and thus the purpose of God on earth - Immanuel - was the only one who can fulfill the law )...

... this would have been counter intuitive to the message of Christ.. for again, he fulfilled all the requirements of the law ( as stated ) and brought all the law under the hospices of LOVE.

Now, it does state NOT to tempt your brother nor destroy their their faith over food preferences or opinions ( this, I suspect being sensitive to ALL ethnicity, tradition, and people of the world so as not to lose anyone to the faith over food or eating habits… for only Israel was given the law and held accountable to keep it, or so it says to me ).

Yet, we must understand too, just like in the first century as in the 21st century, not every believer sees eye to eye on ever single scripture, nuance or teaching.. but should uphold the unity in the Spirit accordingly and in LOVE…. and start with the common cores beliefs.

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By christian96, October 11, 2010 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

ArchivesDave—-The vision Peter had with the sheet
coming down from God has been misinterpreted for
years.  Notice in verse 17 of Chapter 10 that Peter
himself didn’t understand the vision immediately.
In Acts 10:28, Peter understands and explains the
vision, “And he(Peter) said unto them, You know how
it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to
keep company, or come unto one of another nation;
but God has shown me that I should not call any man
common or unclean.” After God had shown Peter the
vision and commanded him to kill and eat Peter
responded in verse 14, “Not so, Lord; for I have
never eaten any thing that is COMMON OR UNCLEAN.”
Peter later understood that the “common or unclean”
meat on the blanket symbolically represented gentiles
who were called “common and unclean”(verse 28) by
the Jews.  This was the beginning of opening the
gospel to the gentiles.  Also, note in verse 16 that
the blanket containing the unclean meats was taken
back up into Heaven.  There is no scripture in the
Bible informing us that God changed the digestive
system of humans after the resurrection.  What was
unclean before the Cross was also unclean after the
Cross.  Don’t get ham, pepperoni, and sausage on that
next pizza.  This past weekend I ordered a pizza to
eat while watching football games.  I got beef, onions, and jalapeno peppers on it.  It was delicious.

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By DavidByron, October 11, 2010 at 1:51 am Link to this comment

(8) working with a minority

In trying to move the country in the direction we want it to we are opposed by the elites who have many advantages but in the end are a tiny minority of the country.  This leads people to think of our side as the silent majority and then they make grandiose and silly sounding comments about how “we” should eg. change the constitution or pass this or that set of sweeping reforms.

But we are not a majority either.  While we may hope that most people would form common cause with us if they had the opportunity to learn what was going on, that cannot happen except as a battle (or goal) in the war.  In other words the mentality can’t be “When we have our supper majority we’ll do X” but instead, “How do we get out majority?”.  And by definition what we have to work with until then is a minority.

So that is NOT an advantage we have over the elites.  And they have on their side money, power and knowledge.  In addition any tactic or strategy we did ever manage to come up with—let’s say we think of a silver bullet that will get us into power—can easily be adopted or co-opted by the elites and used against us.

Therefore whatever the path to victory looks like we do know that it involves heavily using tactics that the elites cannot duplicate.  For example telling the truth (but it has to be more convincing than their lies).  For example appealing to class war as a tribal identity (but it has to be a more obvious appeal than their false tribes of Republican and Democrat).

(9) “Tit for tat” game theory

I don’t know what the answer from the incrementalists is to the observation that game theory says that if progressives continue to vote Democratic come what may, then they will be ignored by the Democrats when it comes to policy.  Of course this theory assumes that the Democratic politicians have no interests in common with their voters, which does appear to be true, and which incrementalists seem to readily agree to, with stories about FDR saying “Now make me do it.”  That anecdote of course only makes sense if you assume that FDR had no interest in doing it otherwise.

However if both parties are playing good cop / bad cop then even tit for tat won’t work and the entire election process is revealed as a fraud.  You can see this already happening over the reaction to eg Nader.  Logically a defeat in 2000, later judged to have been so important because of the alleged clear difference between Gore and Bush, and all hanging on the perverse votes of a few Naderites - that would lead to concessions by Democratic politicians towards the Naderite agenda.  In fact what we see happened is the opposite.  It’s almost like the Democrats want to lose elections.

By which I mean, they do.  This makes perfect sense in a good cop / bad cop paradigm.  Of course if we knew the inner workings of politicians minds, as some who have knowledge of local politics have reminded us, maybe there would be some better explanation, but we do not.

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By DavidByron, October 11, 2010 at 1:28 am Link to this comment

Oh I mis-numbered that last one - should have been ‘four’.

(5) On how politics really works behind the curtain

bklynguy and Stuart H castigated many as naive because we don’t know how politics really works.  This is not said often enough.  For the last ten years more or less I’ve been reading these political blogs in part trying to learn just that but in fact nobody ever says.

And it is (to me) a very obvious absence.  Half the time you read any article on a political blog these days it is expressing surprise or astonishment over something some politician has done and I think to myself—well instead of expressing surprise why don’t you find out why? So you’re not surprised next time?  And that never happens.  It is never even acknowledged that surprise implies the absence of important knowledge.

So how about instead of lecturing us on our naivety, you actually try to explain it to us if you believe you have this secret knowledge that explains how things really are and why politicians really behave that way?

But I wonder if there is not a distinction here between local and national level politics?  For obvious reasons all those saying they have direct experience have it on the local level (except a few insiders like Mike Lux who seem to want to keep that insider knowledge secret).  They say that—contra the view that there’s a dime’s worth of difference—at the local level it makes a lot of difference.  They extrapolate this to the national level but is there evidence that extrapolation holds true?

Perhaps we should treat local and national politics differently and not extrapolate from one to the other?

(6) On the question of what to do first

Well if nobody else is going to answer it then I will.  First comes education.  That is what Chris Hedges is doing of course.  Second comes building an identity - whether as an arm of the Democratic party (I think this is hard) or a third party.  I think the basis of the movement or tribe is going to have to be class war - us vs them.  It’s the truth and it’s easily agreed on.  I suppose you could also try to base a movement on some crappy patriotic scam like defending the constitution or fighting “corruption” in government or “taking our country back” but none of those are really true and sound quite weak to me.

But that’s me.  One of the things you ought to do is start asking questions like, “How do we get there from here?”  What does the route look like?  How do we start? etc.  Can we use what we’ve got on these social forums?  And of course, “Is someone already doing it?”

At any rate going on and on saying “Chris Hedges hasn’t got any ideas” (which as far as I know isn’t true anyway but it’s not all on him) seems pointless.

(7) On the efficacy of voting

My point here is that voting is not pointless but it is dangerous.  Voting does not effect elections but it can help create a group identity.

Critics of a third party say it would have no chance of winning.  This is true but irrelevant.  All votes are wasted votes in the sense that their chances of deciding the outcome of an election are zero.  But a vote for a third party sends a message and helps to establish a political identity or movement and give it some coverage in the corporate media.

There is something to be said for the idea that voting at all binds you to the corporate system.  There is that danger but I think it is worth the risk in voting third party so long as you don’t do it thinking you could possibly win or that there was anything fair about the process.

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By DavidByron, October 11, 2010 at 1:02 am Link to this comment

(3) On Communism and Socialism

Any solution to the problem must start by embracing these two naughty words.  If we fight a class war then we must eliminate the enemy which in a class war happens when you take their money from them and bring about a larger degree of equality in society.  It’s that simple.  There’s no middle ground here so stop pussyfooting around and call it what it is.

Class war is also the obvious means of creating a third party style group identity because who does not understand that it is us against them?  Even the right wing authoritarians know as much when they rail against the bankers and “the government” but nobody is allowed to offer this identity as a tribe so they must cling to the only tribe they have - the Republicans (or perhaps the Tea Party).

Susan Griffin raised the anti-communist argument from WW2 that suggests that saying the Democrats are not enough risks fascism.  Yes it does.  And that is the point.  The German elites didn’t exactly make out too well because of fascism did they?  I don’t think the American elites want to give it another try.  But this brinkmanship, this political game of “chicken”, is something the elites play a lot—for example with their nuclear weapons.  Their own view has long been that you act “crazy” and “insane” to throw the other guy off and cause them to back down.  Given that, we have a choice of essentially submitting to them or of risking getting badly hurt.  As a movement we cannot bluff, which in a game of chicken is actually a big advantage if you use it.

(3) On the lessons of history

A lot of the points made in the comments were answers to the wrong question.  They were answers to the question, “What is the last thing we do before we win?”  For example fixing the way votes are counted.  That’s something you can only do if you’ve already basically won.  If you have the power to do that, you have already basically won.  But the question of real interest, as we are being pragmatic, is “What is the first thing you do?”

Since nobody knows the obvious thing to do is to look at history and see how it happened.  In this respect some have suggested history shows incrementalism working in the New Deal and Civil Rights periods.  I would like to point out that in both cases the elites considered the threat of communism as being vital in their decision to offer compromises towards the people.  Now in these days we see the opposite.  Without the threat of communism the elites are trying to reverse what they felt obliged to hand out when they were afraid.

Absent that fear I am not sure what the mechanism is supposed to be that leads to change.  A huge crowd of (especially black) people was a threat at the time Dr King marched on Washington but today it is not.  We feel that difference and so do the elites of course.  That is why marching does nothing these days.  Again with communism in the background the American people had a visible threat to hold over the elites but these days as communism and socialism are considered naughty words even by what passes for the left in the US, can’t the elites just sit back and say, “What are you gonna do, eh?”

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By DavidByron, October 11, 2010 at 12:40 am Link to this comment

Well it doesn’t look like my comments are getting through so I’ll skip points (3) through (10) until I can see if I am wasting my breath.

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By DavidByron, October 11, 2010 at 12:37 am Link to this comment

I hope I haven’t missed the window for posting serious comments… I’d like to address some of the themes that were raised in the comments.

(1) On the question of violence and non-violence.

The criticism that violence wouldn’t work (because the elites control the armed forces) and that Americans wouldn’t do it anyway (because they are fat dumb and happy) are not valid.  Already in the recession you are seeing a very small number of Americans who have been made homeless or unemployed, grabbing a gun and shooting the people they hold immediately responsible for their situation.  Typically that is some middle management position like a worker at the local bank or a real estate agent.  The media have not highlighted this trend.  The elites and their agents have noticed it and taken action to protect themselves somewhat.

A violent revolt does not mean two armies fighting each other like the American Revolution.  It would mean asymmetric warfare targeting the elites and their agents.  Something like what is seen in Afghanistan and Iraq but no longer ten thousand miles away.  Not very pleasant for anyone involved on either side of course which is the whole point.

Several people have repeated the mantra that non-violence is effective but I question this and would welcome a convincing explanation.  It seems to me that in a war (this class war) it is not wise to unilaterally disarm and say to your enemy that you will not hurt them badly.  I also think that much of the power of non-violence so-called is the implicit threat of violence inherent in non-violent movements.  For example when Dr King got a large crowd of black people to march on Washington, was that not an implicit threat of violence?

The other thing is we must recall that this war is not non-violent at the moment.  Several hundred people die in it every day though mostly not in America of course.  The people we fight are happy to slaughter millions.  They have no conscience.  Would non-violence have worked against the Nazis? 

(2) On the question of third parties

The question of whether to try and take over the Democratic party or build up a third party is argued about a lot but it seems to me that the first step along either road (and for that matter also the first step towards revolution) would be to create a movement or tribe to which people could belong and identify. 

The better question is can that be done while continuing as part of the Democrats?  I am skeptical that it can.  Can you get people—and I mean here normal people with little political knowledge—to identify with a wing of the Democratic party enough to have a distinct objective from the party?  To vote against the party at times and vote with it at times but to owe their real loyalties to the smaller group?  I think that would be too hard to do without effectively creating a third party anyway.  People are too tribalist.  That is an intentional policy of divide and conquer between the two corporate parties of course, building on that human nature.  See how Obama commands the loyalty of so many so easily despite his flaws.  It’s hard to get a large mass of people to have a double mind about the Democratic party I think.

People often say, well how often does a third party become a success?  Another question would be how often has a major party been taken over by outsiders?

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By archivesDave, October 10, 2010 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

“The Catholic Church also did away with the dietary
laws given by God in the book of Leviticus in the
I’m not defending the Catholic Church by any means since I concur with you, they could well be part of Mystery Babylon and the Global religion in the endgame….BUT, the Catholic Church did NOT initiate doing away with the dietary laws…
Not once, not twice, but THREE times in Acts chapter
10 and chapter 11. 
God exhausted TWO CHAPTERS explaining it.

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By christian96, October 10, 2010 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

NapoleonDoneHisPart—-I just began reading your
reference to the mark of the beast.  I’ll finish it
tomorrow.  Much of what I’ve read I have read in
other books.  The Bible talks of the restoration of
all things.  Restoring what?  I believe Christianity
will be restored to conditions which existed at the
time Jesus walked the earth.  The Roman Catholic
Church changed many of those conditions.  They
substituted worship on the Sabbath from Saturday
to Sunday(worship of the Sun God).  There is no
biblical instructions for this change.  It was done
by a group of men in Rome around the 4th century.
The Catholic Church also did away with the dietary
laws given by God in the book of Leviticus in the
Torah.  They changed the God given festivals to
Christmas and Easter.  Easter is mentioned only once
in the Bible and it was mistranslated.  It should
read Passover.  The Roman church also introduced
Christmas as the birth of Yeshua(Jesus).  There is
no date given as the birth of Yeshua in the Bible
let alone the worship of birthdays.  The only birthday I remember being kept in the Bible occurred
when John the Baptist lost his head during the
celebration of the birthday of King Herod.  If the
bible does not condone celebrating birthdays it does
suggest celebrating the day of ones death. Ecclesiastes 7:1 reads, “The day of death is better
than the day of birth.”  I attend a Messianic Church which is composed of Israelites and Gentiles who
believe Yeshua is Messiah.  I’m not sure why Martin
Luther and the rest of Protestant churches since his reformation continued to keep Christmas, Easter,
rejected the dietary laws, keep Sunday as the
Sabbath, and reject the Festivals of God.  The Bible mentions the latter days Mystery Babylon and her
daughters.  These may well refer to the Roman Catholic Church and most of the Protestant churches.
However, I believe the correct Sabbath, Dietary laws, Festivals of God and other conditions which
existed at the time of Yeshua will be restored to
the true Christian Church soon.  When I was in
Jerusalem in 1999 I met a nice Messianic Christian
lady from Finland.  She introduced me to various
Messianic congregations in Jerusalem.  I spent Yom
Kippur with the Shepherd of Israel congregation.
The services were in Hebrew but I had a fellow sit
next to me who translated the Rabbi’s message from
Hebrew to English for me.  I wrote the message very
quickly.  I am presently writing a book for teenagers relating the teachings in the Bible to
their everyday lives.  I am hoping to complete it
by next Rosh HaShanah.  I began it on the Mount of
Olives on Rosh HaShanah, 9/11/99.  Rosh Ha Shanah
in 2011 will be 12 years since I began it.  I hope
to complete it on the Mount of Olive.  Then, I’ll
need to find a publisher.  Yahweh will open the door.  Thanks for the info.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 10, 2010 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

christian96, thanks for sharing about your life and your heritage, very insightful.

I’m sure the industrialists were the same shysters behind the Federal Reserve ( Jekyll Island )... or their rivals ( other foreign money families ).

Regarding the mark and other things like that… check out this site ( careful ).;.htm

On this particular page, I was researching “amen” at the end of prayer and historical references to that word / name….

Further on that same page that website’s author references the mark….

Remember, the Word is one thing, our minds and ‘how’ we read those words is another… but God is Gracious.

Have a great day sir!

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By christian96, October 10, 2010 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

NapoleanDoneHisPart—-I clicked on and read your
recommended story about General Butler.  Very
interesting indeed.  I had never encountered Gen.
Butler before during my readings.  You can bet a
dollar to a doughnut it is not in American History
books students are required to read, especially the
story of his appearing before a congressional committee to report a group of wealthy industrialists
approaching him to lead a military coup to overthrow
President Franklin Roosevelt.  There are many events
in American History you won’t find in public school
history books.  I know you won’t find anything about
the atrocities which occurred by owners of coal mines
during the period when coal miners were trying to
join the United Mine Workers of America.  I would
like to know who were the industrialists who approached Gen. Butler.  Do you know? I see he worked
briefly in a coal mine.  I also worked briefly in
a coal mine.  I worked midnight shift, took a shower,
and attended undergraduate classes.  That lasted
about 6 months.  I hated every minute of it.  My
father worked 40 years and my grandfather worked
50 years at a time when there was no union.  I think
Grandpa made a dime for every ton of coal he could
load.  General Butler died in 1940 which was the year
I was born in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky. John Prine
use to sing a song about Muhlenberg County.  Some
of the words said, “Daddy take me back to Muhlenberg
County down by the Green river where Paradise lay.
I’m sorry my son Mr. Peabody’s coal company has
hauled it away.”  When I first heard the song I bought it for daddy.  He use to take me back to
Muhlenberg to visit family and friends when the miners got their 2 week vacation.  Merle Travis was
from the same little town where I was born.  Merle
wrote “16 Tons” which Tenneesse Ernie Ford made
popular.  My parents knew Merle very well.  It was
either 1955 or 56 that a celebration was held for
Merle Travis.  Daddy took me to the festival.  We
were listening to two boys sing on stage.  Daddy
said, “Those boys are pretty good, ain’t they?”
I said, “They sure are!”  Daddy said, “They’re Ike
Everly’s boys.”  They were also from the same little
coal mining town in Muhlenberg County.  It wasn’t
long after the celebration that the Everly Brothers
were known worldwide.
As far as our Social Security Number being the “mark
of the beast” I look for some other type of mark.
It is suppose to occur worldwide. However, I guess
people around the world could be assigned Social
Security numbers once the one-world government is
in place.  The mark is suppose to be IN our right
hand or IN our forehead according to Revelation 13.
Inherit the Wind mentioned a microchip now being
placed in animals to help locate them.  It probably
isn’t much of a jump from placing them in animals
to placing them in humans. Something has to take
place globally to facilitate placing the mark in
humans.  Perhaps, numerous nuclear bombs being
detonated globally.  Events are occurring rapidly.
Even though I’m 70 I believe I will live to see the
mark of the beast arrive on the scene. Take care.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 10, 2010 at 9:22 am Link to this comment

While “Progressives” have been whining about why there’s no third party and why they’re stuck with the Dems and Repubs, the far, far Right has done something about it. It’s called the Teaparty and it IS the first (so-far) successful 3rd party since the Populists of the late 1800’s.

The Populists were absorbed by the Democrats in 1896.  The Teaparty is being absorbed by the GOP in 2010, but, unlike the Populists who merely had to be catered to, the Teaparty is actually capturing control of the GOP.

So, had did this bunch of ignorant rednecks, led by stringent, lie-promoting, self-serving interests rise so fast? 
1) Organization.  They’ve merged with much of the fundamentalists, who’ve had a machine in place for 32 year.
2) Funding…The Koch demons, er, brothers.
3) Charisma and passion.
4) Something to shout about
5) An “enemy” to scapegoat.

So while all the Nader-Natterers do what they do best, complain and whine that “it’s not fair”, that Ralph “wasn’t given a chance”, Palin and Bachmann and the others on the Teaparty bandwagon evil hoard have actually DONE SOMETHING.

I may detest, distrust and worry that the Teaparty is the biggest threat to our freedom since Wilson’s policies, but I admire their tactics, drive and organization, cutting like a hot knife through butter.

I’ve often said the Nader-Natterers had blinders on.  It’s clear they do, because otherwise they would learn from the Teaparty and use similar tactics.  Instead they’d rather whine “It’s not fair!”  No, politics is never fair. It never has been and probably never will be.  It’s always been a bare-knuckle sport, and, in other countries and other times a blood sport.  Think about the War of the Roses for who gets to be King.  Or the Warring States period in China.  Or the medieval battles for power fictionalized in “Shogun”.  At least in America the losers get thrown out of office.  In other countries they get thrown in jail or executed as “traitors”.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 10, 2010 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

Filled out my absentee ballot last night…

Did NOT vote for either Demonix or Rethugs.. but chose Green.

Also, ITW… look up rfid chips…. for yes, that technology has been introduced to keep Rover from roaming away from you… or to ‘find’ him again, right?

Interesting how people look to animals and love them much more than humans nowadays it seems ( folks take in stray animals all the time, but never a stray fellow human being… shows how conditioned we’ve become to the lack of apathy for each other… but I digress ).

So sure, the animals we love and medicate like humans have been introduced to that chip… our acceptance of it as an ignorant population to facts and history will be well received, unfortunately….

ITW, you need to do some reading and researching regarding this topic..

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By BR549, October 10, 2010 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

kulu, October 10 at 11:41 am
“To all those who think that a viable third party is pie in the sky, its up to you
to do something about it. The more votes they get the stronger they will

Kulu, that’s exactly the point. Even if everyone showed up to vote but there
were so many independent parties splintering the total so that, let’s say, one of
the two major parties still won, that winning party might only with the
slimmest of margins.

For example, if the Republicans won with perhaps 15% of the raw vote, all of
the independent parties received a combined total of 75% of the raw vote, and
the Democrat Party only received 10% (let’s say), that would send a resounding
message to the rest of the population that other voters were just as disgusted
as they were ........ and maybe THAT could provide the motivation to coalesce
the independents onto a meaningful party next time around.

This could even take place this November, but I doubt there’d be enough time
to mount the communications necessary to achieve something observable.

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By Anarcissie, October 10, 2010 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

If you want to observe the formation of successful American parties, check out the history of the Whig Party,, which split off from the Republican-Democratic Party in opposition to Jackson in the 1830s, and fell apart over slavery in the 1850s, leading to the formation of another new party, the Republican Party.  Notice that both parties had local and state-level as well as presidential manifestations.

It may amuse you to discover from this page that there is yet another new party, the ‘American Whig Party’,  Perhaps this is the mystical third party suddenly being touted by ‘centrists’ like Thomas Friedman.  Among its principles are a ‘strong national defense’ which means war and imperialism as usual, and ‘fiscal reponsibility’ which means busting the poor, so I wonder if it isn’t being set up by the established order to cover for the Republicans if they continue to fall apart.

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By kulu, October 10, 2010 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

To all those who think that a viable third party is pie in the sky, its up to you to do something about it. The more votes they get the stronger they will become. The two entrenched parties are moving America ever backwards with no hope of changing course. Surely voting for either of them is the worst option of all. As far as I can make out American voters failed Nader and not the other way around.

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Just to scare you and Napoleon: The technology for “the mark” has existed and been WIDELY DISTRIBUTED for the last dozen years.  It’s not even very complicated.  And it’s all over the United States and probably Canada.

What is this “horror”?  Why, it’s the pet identification chip that is used to identify and trace lost cats and dogs!  It is a tiny capsule injected under the animal’s skin in the shoulder or neck.  A magnetic scanner can be passed over the chip and the identification number read.  This number is stored in a national database so the lost pet can be re-united with its owner.  All our pets have them.

Sleep well, guys!

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By Inherit The Wind, October 10, 2010 at 5:54 am Link to this comment

“Do you have an example of someone found within the system that did what was right, equal and just for not only the elites but those who must serve them? “

Sure.  George Washington, King Juan Carlos of Spain, and Nelson Mandela.  All three were handed absolute power and rejected it in favor of Democracy as we know it.

GW was 2nd (or 3rd) ranked gentry in Virginia and social climber all his life, who married for money and position, when he was in love with someone else’s wife. (strangely I believe he discovered that Martha was a far more formidable and intelligent woman than he realized at first and he relied on her judgment for the rest of his life.)

King JC was handed a total dictatorship in 1975 when Franco died. He used it to convert Spain to a Western democracy, content to reign as a Constitutional Monarch.

Nelson Mandela: It should be obvious.  He could have been Robert Mugabe, but chose not to be.

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By archivesDave, October 10, 2010 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

Ezra klein
Washington Post:

The biggest fraud in the history of the capital markets according to Janet Tavakoli,
founder/ pres. Tavakoli Structured Finance Inc. 

She sounded some of the earliest warnings on the structured finance market, leading the University of Chicago to profile her as a “Structured Success,” & Business Week to call her “The Cassandra of Credit Derivatives.” We spoke this afternoon about the turmoil in the housing market, and an edited transcript of conversation follows.

Ezra Klein: What’s happening here? Why are we suddenly faced with a crisis that wasn’t apparent two weeks ago?

Janet Tavakoli: This is the biggest fraud in the history of the capital markets. And it’s not something that happened last wk. It happened when these loans were originated, in some cases years ago. Loans have representations and warranties that have to be met. In the past, you had a certain period of time, 60 to 90 days, where you sort through these loans &, if they’re bad, you kick them back. If the documentation wasn’t correct, you’d kick it back. If you found the incomes of the buyers had been overstated, or the houses had been appraised at twice their worth, you’d kick it back. But that didn’t happen here. And it turned out there were loan files that were missing required documentation. Part of putting the deal together is that the securitization professional, & in this case that’s banks like G.S. & JP Morgan, has to watch for this stuff. It’s called perfecting the security interest,& it’s not optional.
EK: & how much danger are the banks themselves in?

JT: When we had the financial crisis, the first thing the banks did ws run to Congress & ask for acctg relief. They asked to be able to avoid pricing this stuff at the price where people would buy them. So no one can tell you the size of the hole in these balance sheets. We’ve thrown a lot of money at it. TARP was just the tip of the iceberg. We’ve given them guarantees on debts, low-cost funding from the Fed. But a lot of these mortgages just cannot be saved. Had we acknowledged this problem in 2005, we could’ve cleaned it up for a few hundred billion dollars. But we didn’t. Banks were lying & committg fraud, & our regulators were covering them & so a bad problem has become a hellacious one.

EK: My understanding is that this now pits th banks against th investors they sold these products to. Th investors are going to court to argue that the products were flawed & the banks need to take them back.
JT: Many investors now are waking up to the fact that they were defrauded. Even sophisticated investors. If you did your due diligence but material information was withheld, you can recover. It’ll be a case-by-by-case basis.

EK: Given that our financial system is still fragile, isn’t that a disaster for the economy? Will credit freeze again?

JT: I disagree. In order to make th financial syst. healthy, we need to recognize the extent of our losses and begin facing the fraud. Then the market will be trustworthy again and people will start to participate.

EK: It sounds almost like you’re saying we still need to go through th end of our financial crisis.

JT: Yes, but I wouldn’t say crisis. This can be done with a resolution trust corporation, the way we cleaned up the S&Ls;. The system got back on its feet faster because we grappled with the problems. The shareholders would be wiped out & the debt holders would have to take a discount on their debt & they’d get debt-for-equity swap. Instead we poured TARP money into a pit & meanwhile th banks are paying huge bonuses to some people who should be made accountable for fraud. The financial crisis was a product of our irrational reaction, which protected crony capitalism rather than capitalism. In capitalism, the shareholders who took the risk would be wiped out and the debt holders would take a discount but banking would go on.

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By archivesDave, October 10, 2010 at 5:28 am Link to this comment

OK, I can certainly buy that but if…
we continue chasing our tail, the rabbit down the hole, we’ll continue to reap what we absolutely sow ...

This doesn’t mean that in the fleeting two year window, we can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.

I think there’s an extremely good chance we could replace most of Congress and another 1/3rd of the Senate….

Jesse could be the firebrand leader: All he needs to do is get out in front of the parade of a pissed off Nation ready to dissolve or lose what sovereignty we have left to the Globalists.

Probably our last chance!

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By Anarcissie, October 10, 2010 at 4:04 am Link to this comment

One of ‘our’ problems is a monarchical focus on the presidency.

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By archivesDave, October 9, 2010 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

Important Note:
If there are others on TD, including Messieurs Hedges, Scheer, etc, who deem Jesse Ventura to be one to get behind for an Independent run for Prez in 2012, I suggest we begin NOW to coax him or begin a grass roots draft movement.

It’s hard to believe but the election for the next prez is only TWO YEARS AWAY! ...It will take that long if we have ANY hope at all to wrest this country from the collusive tentacles of the Global Corpsters, Banksters, Dems, and Repubs!

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By Anarcissie, October 9, 2010 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

Actually, status quo is short for status quo ante, that is, ‘the state in which before’, another sentence fragment, I’m afraid.  My pseudo-differentiation of these two phrases, which are actually the same, was ironical.  In any case, there is no anti (Greek for ‘alike’ or ‘against’) in the mix.

I don’t see anything wrong with sentence fragments in colloquial speech and writing as long as their meaning is plain.

In the matter of lovefest, I believe contemporary usage of -fest as a suffix in American English parodies German and Yiddish, where Fest with or without a prefix means a holiday or a feast.  Therefore, when humorously combining it with various prefixes, a common practice in the area where I live, I prefer to Germanically write it as a suffix rather than a separate word.  I do confess to un-Teutonically failing to capitalize the word (German) or write it using Hebrew letters (Yiddish); I feel that would be a tad pedantic, and I would never want to be pedantic, would I?

I found the picture at once funny and depressing, since it was obviously very carefully constructed by corporate advertising types.  I am somewhat surprised you would draw attention to an artefact like that.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 9, 2010 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

Yet another interesting figure in history….

And a coup attempt during FDR tenure from the PTB

Please read this quick bit of this person, raised almost pedigree… but still a patriot and believer to the Constitution….

He did his service… and later found out what he helped accomplish… to his dismay.

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Anarcissie, October 8 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, October 8 at 11:21 am:

“Show me one person whose thought or behavior has been altered by his jeremiads.”

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t have the time or the inclination to go over the thousands of comments and testimonials to Hedges that have occurred here on truthdig alone. Are you oblivious to the obvious? Are you suggesting that literary work, intellectual dialectic, propaganda, and spin have no relevance and lack any ability to influence[?]...’

Anarcissie, October 8 at 11:55 am

Pretty much.  Hedges has his choir and his amen corner, but these are people who (1) already think like he does and (2) do not appear to be activists, organizers, or people who think critically.  Hedges talks about revolt; what revolt?  We just had a ‘protest’ demonstration that turned out to be a carefully organized lovefest and pep rally for the Democratic Party and Mr. O.  This ‘protest’, in favor of the status quo, was to answer other ‘protests’ in favor of the status quo ante, which wasn’t that different from the status quo.  No wonder people are depressed.  Enjoy the gloom you seem to desire—while it lasts.


It’s no wonder we disagree. What you see as the status quo, I see as the “status quo ante [sic],” and visa versa.

Anarcissie, October 8 at 11:55 amAnarcissie, October 8 at 11:55 am

“No wonder people are depressed.  Enjoy the gloom you seem to desire—while it lasts.”

Our disagreeing perceptions continue with our perception of “gloom.” Note the picture Hedges, or his editors, chose to accompany this article, I don’t see a lot of gloom there; a little self promotion and some self consciousness maybe, but no gloom. Hedges’ article, and many of the comments here at truthdig, on the other hand, seem to me to be a gloomy forecast of inevitable doom, with no hope of salvation, unless the pursuit of one, often counter productive, pipe dream or another is immediately undertaken. Doom is always a possibility, but hopefully rational thought and action will allow us to avoid, and not hasten the prophesied doom, and help us to rid ourselves of the continuing gloom (Depression, whatever.)

Surprisingly we do agree on two things. People do seem to be depressed don’t they? And we apparently agree that there is a dichotomy between the pro status quo, and the “anti status quo” (Or visa versa) groups. It’s good to see that you’re finally acknowledging the existence of a dichotomy between the two groups, and philosophies.

Thanks for adding the missing question mark. It’s nice when people can help each other out, isn’t it? Here are a few pointers for you:  When quoting someone, in this case me, add quotation marks, “Pretty much” is a fragment, not a sentence, “love fest” is two words, and “ante” is something you do when playing poker.

Have a nice day sweetie,

(I mean that in the sweetest way possible, it’s not the comment of a chauvinist pig or a misogynist, it’s an encouragement, and an optimistic hope for a positive outcome, either that or a sarcastic passive aggressive attack, take your pick.)

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 9, 2010 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

Click on that movie icon…. the “the truth, take one” looking thing that’s slapped shut before every scene is shot.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 9, 2010 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

Could you imagine having to be chipped in order to establish your loyalty to the country?

Or how about a law calling all citizens to be chipped for security and so the state can easily identify you… your moves, transactions, etc… so they would ‘be able to weed out the terrorists or anti-government folks or patriots or whatever the label will be to use to intimidate and convince the chattel to be branded like cattle?

Those with capital, the means of production and those who have some kind of service / servitude to the upper echelon of society ‘may’ escape this trap… or be first adopters of it… so as to look like ‘they are leading the way’ or ‘showing it to be harmless’ and another ‘wonderful benefit of this great nation’....

Has anyone seen / heard that Berkley interview I posted?

That gentleman describes ( if you know your history and your mental paradigm isn’t media conditioned ) the departure from the Constitution and the implementation of one party rule ( much like how Rome would regurgitate senators, dictators, senate rule, one man rule, etc ) but still the elites and wealthy kept their ‘control’ of the chattel, the masses ( you and I ), those who must work and those which the elites and pedigreed feed off of…. like vampires.

Please, listen to this… if you think you don’t have the time… at least start from running time 30:00 onward… it is so necessary I can’t express anymore than A MUST!

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By archivesDave, October 9, 2010 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

christian 96 and Napolean DHP:
Pragmatically, an internal chip makes absolute perfect sense:
It would be extremely difficult to counterfeit and
virtually eliminate most security issues.
In many ways, it would make transactions slick, easy and much less time consuming.
In phone or computer transactions, one would simply
scan the chip with the cell phone or mouse…voila,
no more security problems there either.
At some point, it no doubt will take place after the
govt and corporatists collude to allow some type of
‘security’ crisis….(shades of Hegel Syndrome and Shock Doctrine once again).
As a Christian though, there is a very clear warning
that I best heed….Don’t take it!

btw, I’ve had recent communication with Jim Kunstler
and he thinks anyone is paranoid who even suggests
anything about a coming one world govt…AMAZING!

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By archivesDave, October 9, 2010 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

Jesse Ventura on The Young Turks:
This guy may well turn out to be another ‘Ross Perot’
but I don’t think so.
From my hazy perspective, I’d be willing to campaign
for him if he is crazy enuf to run.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 9, 2010 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

I agree christian96, I’ve been reading these things and can see the writing on the wall…. it is spooky yet sobering when one takes all of it into account… for yes, things are pointing in that direction…

An article on yahoo news surely sends the message to the uninformed masses regarding the ‘benefits’ of using the banks and their systems as opposed to the ‘old way’ of using your cash and buying in cash… which is virtually becoming.. well, more virtual than real.

I see that ALL ARE ALREADY ON THE HOOK by HAVING to use the FED reserve note, by having to go to work and receiving your earnings or wages in this currency ( which is being further debauched, manipulated, etc ).

Could our social security number already be that mark?

A worker cannot typically work without submitting their ‘number’ besides going outside the ‘laws.’

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By christian96, October 9, 2010 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

NapoleanDoneHisPart—-If you look at events that
have taken place over the last several decades you
can see how they are leading us to the “mark of the
beast” where people will not be able to buy or sell
without the mark:

1.  The development of computer technology. Without
computers there was no way to institute and enforce
a global “mark of the beast.”  Some people believe
we now have the technology to give every person on
the planet a mark.  If we don’t have the technology
we soon will.

2.  Rise of terrorism.  There are many people terrified because of terrorism and will happily
accept a “mark” for everyone so we can identify
terrorist and track them globally.

3.  Move towards a one world economy.  You can’t pick
up a paper or magazine today without reading about
reasons why a one world economy will benefit all

4. Move towards a one world religion.  Because of so
much dissension and wars over various religious
beliefs there has already started a large move to
unite all religious beliefs under a one world religion.  How this will happen is beyond me.  Perhaps, the next world war will be over religion.
After millions of people are destroyed in this war
various minds will be more willing to accept the
one world religion idea.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 9, 2010 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

ITW you are correct.. yet if you read further, you can see that he also lost practically everything after that point in his early career… was brought to a level where he survived from the work of his hands on his own small farm..

Maybe this was a turning point which inspired him; perhaps his point of view had changed since his financial status had changed….

Just pointing out that this guy looks like he turned the tables.

Now whether this guy like most folks are ‘time stamped’ and ‘made saints’ due to those authors of history… that neither you nor I can judge or state either way.

Do you have an example of someone found within the system that did what was right, equal and just for not only the elites but those who must serve them?

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By Inherit The Wind, October 9, 2010 at 7:20 am Link to this comment

I’m no expert but assuming Wikipedia is reasonably accurate:

“Cincinnatus was a persistent opponent of attempts to improve the legal situation of the plebeians. His son Caeso Quinctius often drove the tribunes of the plebeians from the forum, preventing them from reaching a formal decision. In 461 BC, these actions finally resulted in a capital charge against Caeso.”

Somehow, I don’t see these guys as heroic.  I see them as elitist and demanding rights for patricians at the expense of plebeians.

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By archivesDave, October 9, 2010 at 1:38 am Link to this comment

10/10/10 is NO GMO day…SPREAD THE WORD:

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 8, 2010 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

ITW…. are you sure?  I just heard of him today and read a bit about his impact from what others have researched.

I’m starting to think you been employed by the PTB to infiltrate the movement out of economic slavery towards economic stability… please don’t take offense, just trying some humor on before I go out salsa dancing for the evening…

Please read this synopsis of Cincinnatus, which is compiled from various sources and cross referenced for accuracy and facts… ( don’t laugh at wiki.. for its pretty accurate so far )...

ITW, who would you suggest from the early days of Rome?

I mention Cincinnatus for he seemed to be what I thought Barack was going to be… but after listening to what I posted below… I have a better understanding of why Obama has made the choices he has…

The Departure from the Constitution, the continuity of government and how the balance of power has been tilted too render the executive above the law and the other balances of powers.. resembling something akin to times of long ago and the revolving door of senate rule and dictator rule in Rome.

First 30 min is the setup for the meat of the matter, which is at running time 30:00 until the end… very informative and sobering… I’d listen to the whole thing for the complete history lesson.

To me, although this country was ‘born’ several hundred years ago… I see this country and others resembling the continuation of ROME and colonialism…. it is just called different names today… the rule by the elites and ‘royals’ and those who cater to them ( their lackeys, minstrels and court jesters ) over the plebeians / populous… everyone else not elite or in those circles.

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I hope you’re not proposing Cincinnatus as one of the good guys?  He was clearly protecting the interests of the few and powerful at the expense and lives of the many and powerless.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 8, 2010 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

I think we need someone like this obscure person from long ago:  Lucuis Quinctius Cincinnatus (519 BC-430 BC?); was an ancient Roman political figure, serving as consul in 460 BC and Roman dictator in 458 BC and 439 BC.

Cincinnatus was regarded by the Romans as one of the heroes of early Rome and as a model of Roman virtue and simplicity. As a persistent opponent of the plebeians, he resisted the proposal of Terentilius to draw up a code of written laws applicable equally to patricians and plebeians. He lived in humble circumstances, working on his own small farm, after having been driven into exile among the Etrurians for supporting his son Caeso Quinctius.

Cincinnatus served as consul in 460 BC. During his consulship, Cincinnatus fought the Plebeian Tribune Gaius Terentilius Harsa. During this time period, the Roman senate was preoccupied with a war against a people called the Volsci, from a neighboring Italian city. Terentilius attempted to use this opening to push for a series of laws that would benefit the plebeians at the expense of the aristocracy. Cincinnatus was able to stop Terentilius from enacting his laws.

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By Donna Fritz, October 8, 2010 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

I’ll quote Bill Maher:

“Know why the Democrat’s symbol is a D? Because they’re just good enough, but not very. Know why Republican starts with an R? Because that’s the sound a pirate makes just before he robs you blind and feeds you to the sharks. Folks, you have to understand: There’s a difference between an annoying friend and your darkest enemy.”

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By Anarcissie, October 8, 2010 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, October 8 at 11:21 am:

Anarcissie, October 8 at 1:04 am

“Show me one person whose thought or behavior has been altered by his jeremiads.”

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t have the time or the inclination to go over the thousands of comments and testimonials to Hedges that have occurred here on truthdig alone. Are you oblivious to the obvious? Are you suggesting that literary work, intellectual dialectic, propaganda, and spin have no relevance and lack any ability to influence[?]...’

Pretty much.  Hedges has his choir and his amen corner, but these are people who (1) already think like he does and (2) do not appear to be activists, organizers, or people who think critically.  Hedges talks about revolt; what revolt?  We just had a ‘protest’ demonstration that turned out to be a carefully organized lovefest and pep rally for the Democratic Party and Mr. O.  This ‘protest’, in favor of the status quo, was to answer other ‘protests’ in favor of the status quo ante, which wasn’t that different from the status quo.  No wonder people are depressed.  Enjoy the gloom you seem to desire—while it lasts.

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Anarcissie, October 8 at 1:04 am

“Show me one person whose thought or behavior has been altered by his jeremiads.”

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t have the time or the inclination to go over the thousands of comments and testimonials to Hedges that have occurred here on truthdig alone. Are you oblivious to the obvious? Are you suggesting that literary work, intellectual dialectic, propaganda, and spin have no relevance and lack any ability to influence.

“Christopher Lynn Hedges (born September 18, 1956 in St. Johnsbury, Vermont) is an American journalist, author, and war correspondent, specializing in American and Middle Eastern politics and societies.[1] His most recent book, which he discussed on CSPAN’s Booktv [2], is Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle (2009).[3]
Hedges is also known as the best-selling author of War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning (2002), which was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award for Nonfiction. A quote from the book was used as the opening title quotation in the critically-acclaimed and Academy Award-winning 2009 film, The Hurt Locker. The quote reads: “The rush of battle is often a potent and lethal addiction, for war is a drug.”[4][5][6]
Chris Hedges is currently a senior fellow at The Nation Institute in New York City.[7] He spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than fifty countries, and has worked for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public Radio, The Dallas Morning News, and The New York Times,[1] where he was a foreign correspondent for fifteen years (1990-2005).
In 2002, Hedges was part of the team of reporters at The New York Times awarded the Pulitzer Prize for the paper’s coverage of global terrorism. He also received in 2002 the Amnesty International Global Award for Human Rights Journalism. He has taught at Columbia University, New York University and Princeton University.[1] He is currently the F. Ross Johnson-Connaught Distinguished Visitor in American Studies, Centre for the Study of the United States at The University of Toronto.

“Show me one person whose thought or behavior has been altered by his jeremiads.”

Most obvious is that I am one person whose thought and behavior has been altered [Or reinforced] by his jeremiads (?) and the same is true of you. Your seemingly sarcastic comparison of Hedges to the Biblical Prophet Jeremiah, and writing the same, is proof of my contention.

Personally, I agree with much of what Hedges writes. His credentials, possibly unparalleled experience, literary accomplishments, and renown should cow me into to silence regarding criticism of him, however I’m arrogant enough to offer my opinion that Hedges is wrong headed in his attribution of guilt, and that this wrong headed attribution of guilt is counter productive, effectively reactionary, and counter revolutionary, (Or should I say counter evolutionary.)

You and I have a history; perhaps we’re both too quick to confront, reject in a knee jerk fashion, and to be tempestuous in our little tea pots.

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By archivesDave, October 8, 2010 at 7:08 am Link to this comment


False Flag guys…there are mosques everywhere, including the Pentagon, etc, etc.
Just another ‘Boogie Man’ the Globalists hope we get
bogged down with!

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By Go Right Young Man, October 8, 2010 at 5:54 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie, - “the Park 51 Project (the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ which is not at Ground Zero and is not a mosque”


First.  The Imam proposing the project still, as of nine days ago, refers to it as “The Cordoba House”.  Not Park 51.

More importantly: Ask any practicing Muslim you happen to know.  If there’s a Mosque on site it is, first and foremost, a Mosque.  A community Center on the same site is a community center at the Mosque.

To even suggest that a “Community Center” just happens to house a Mosque is considered a grave insult.  In Islam the Mosque always comes first.


I support the Mosque being built at the proposed location near Ground Zero.

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By archivesDave, October 7, 2010 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

Napolean DHP:
Thanks a lot for that Jeff Rense link on GW Bush.
It speaks VOLUMES!!!

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By elisalouisa, October 7, 2010 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

I for one have been influenced and know of others that have been influenced by his description of war, the power elite, new atheists and his writings concerning the Internet sewer, one of your favorite Chris Hedges columns.grin
His writing is unique as most posters here know.

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By Anarcissie, October 7, 2010 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, October 7 at 4:46 pm:

If Hedges were an agent provocateur; a covert genius at propaganda assigned to create chaos and dissention within the Center/Left coalition, he’d be serving his right-wing sponsors very well. Of course he isn’t an agent provocateur, but the results are the same. ...

Show me one person whose thought or behavior has been altered by his jeremiads.

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By BR549, October 7, 2010 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

Garth and Antimatter,

Just as many of the Tea Party people may have been hoodwinked into thinking
that the their group may be the only hope to reinstate conservative values,
many of the people had also counted on their politicians to adequately
represent their interests when that deceptive tome called the Patriot Act was
fraudulently dumped on the rest of the American legislature and the public by
a small group of subversive Neocons.

The big problem, though, is why, after all that has been uncovered, we haven’t
heard a legislative outcry and are still feeding that albatross. It seems like
there’s a whole lot of legislative protesting going on, but nothing seems to be
changing .......... no matter which party is in power. If so many of our illustious
legislature is so opposed to that travesty, why do we still have it?

If we have any Tea Party people that are being lied to by their powers that be, it
can’t be much different than that lying sack we have in the White House,
who built up the hopes of so many Americans and then repeatedly pulled the
rug out from under them all.

If we have any people at all who are attempting to embrace the Constitution,
no matter what ideology they espouse, perhaps we should just be thankful that
they might learn more about it and that we become more collectively aligned
toward a common goal; integrity.

So far, that concept is so foreign to Washington that I suspect we wouldn’t
need a terrorist to set something off in DC, since anyone dropping a lit
cigarette will set off the plethora of rotting swamp gas oozing from the White House and Capitol Bldg,
anyway. Washington will bring itself down without the help of anyone else.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 7, 2010 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, I was thinking the same thing just before reading your post.

Some of this rhetoric ( which eventually becomes unfruitful if no ACTION is rendered ) does seem to be counter intuitive for the ‘mass perception.’

Organization is key.

Our differences of religion and self rhetoric needs to take a back seat… like in the days of the FIRST Revolution where those men put their differences aside ( aside from the fact they were mostly wealthy land owners ) and put their word and John Hancock to the Constitution.

Focus on key points is also key.

I think what will separate the folks who will actually fulfill the oath of office is their views and dealings with money… do they use it to further disseminate, divide and herd the chattel?  Or do they simply earn their keep from their own labor and just businesses practices ( each man must earn his keep, and not subdue another to escape this reality ).

So follow the money and where it goes, for this will show you that man’s heart and his true intentions.

Our last shooting star of a darling new world leader had his honest opinion regarding what we believe and stand for:

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By JDmysticDJ, October 7, 2010 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

If Hedges were an agent provocateur; a covert genius at propaganda assigned to create chaos and dissention within the Center/Left coalition, he’d be serving his right-wing sponsors very well. Of course he isn’t an agent provocateur, but the results are the same.

People talk of a disconnect; having read the comments here, I’m left with a feeling that many of the people who comment here are disconnected. Its not that I don’t agree with much of what’s been written here, it’s that I see a disconnect from the real world, and the “Art of the possible.” I’ve read many theoretical suggestions about what people could, and should do, food for thought about what could be, and should be, and other prophetic claims about the way things will be, and analysis of why things are the way they are, but our immediate future is limited by the way things are. Those of us concerned about the future, and the immediate future, have choices to make, and we’ll need to realize that those choices have consequences. Hopefully we’ll make rational choices.

Conventional wisdom has often been proven to be errant.  The Left is not immune from errant conventional wisdom. Sometimes conventional wisdom is the result of hysterical falsehoods, half truths, partial truths, distortions, and exaggerations, which do not reflect the real world. That being said, I’m aware that the real world is far from perfect, and horribly ugly in some respects. If we have any control over our destinies, and the destiny of the real world, we’ll need to make choices that will be more inclined to move the real world closer to perfect, and away from being ugly. Making futile choices that facilitate the worst purveyors of ugliness is not rational; doing so will only increase the ugliness.

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By antimatter, October 7, 2010 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment
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Given that the Tea Party has major underwriting from the Koch Bros., who support right wing causes,and who stand for free trade, outsourcing, and globalization, it’s ironic that Tea Party members want to ‘take America back.’  Take it back from whom?  American labor? From the Chamber of Commerce?  The book by Thomas Frank, “What’s the Matter with Kansas?” still asks the relevant question:  why do Americans consistently vote against their interests?  A man I know told me one afternoon, “Well Obama is such a socialist,” and as he made this statement, he was almost in a trance.  I asked him if he thought that huge tax breaks for corporations or bailouts was socialism, and of course, he blinked, and changed the subject. To him, ‘handouts’ for people is socialism, not handouts for corporations and business.  It’s going to take decades until Americans of the future figure out that their parents (us) sold the country down the river, allowing it to be turned into a Third World province, with the wealthy at the top, and everyone else at the bottom—-just like Zimbabwe, just like some Asian and Latin American countries.  It’s almost as if today’s American WANTS that to happen, and so far, that wish is about to be granted. Take back America apparently means:  hand everything, the nation’s personal wealth included, to the banks and to corporate power.  A job well done.

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By Anarcissie, October 7, 2010 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

Tea Partiers have not been sufficiently in love with the Constitution to defend the Park 51 Project (the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ which is not at Ground Zero and is not a mosque).  In fact, Tea Party gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino wants to exercise eminent domain to prevent Muslims from developing the site.  For anyone who can read the Constitution, this is an open and shut case—the government is not permitted to interfere with religions or discriminate between them.  But maybe loving the Constitution doesn’t mean reading it or caring about what it actually says.

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Re:  garth, October 7 at 12:00 pm
“The barbarians are at the gate dressed as ordinary Americans posing as angry lovers of the Consitution.”

“I hope you meant, ““The barbarians are at the gate posing as angry ordinary Americans who happen to love their Constitution.”

Thanks for the rewrite.  But I think only time will tell which sentence is accurate.

Where were these people when the Patriot Act was passed?  Why do they decry Socialism/Fascism/Communism?  Are they nuts in linking these thiings together?

A retired news paper editor from Kentucky who relocated to Idaho has informed those in his news letter that the ones who protest, as in the ‘Teat Party’ are members of the upper class in Idaho who go on cruises to Alaska together and have nothing else to do than to exercise their recently endowed womanhood.

When someone reads the Constitution, front to back, and explains the reasoning behind the Patriot Act, the failure of Justice department to pursue the upsurge in hate crimes, then I might acquiesce to your re-write.

Time will tell.  And I am sure I am right.

You might prove George W. Bush right: ” The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper.”

George W. loved Islam.

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By christian96, October 6 at 10:37 pm Link to this comment

“Rudolfo or is it Adolf?  I’m a psychologist but it
still amazes me that people such as yourself are
actually walking around on planet earth.  How do
you explain the thousands of photos of the skinny
Jews and Poles in the concentration camps?”

At the end of the war the Russian army approached the eastern camps, including Auschwitz, and prisoners were evacuated to the west (E. Wiesel and his father amoung others).  The camps in the west were overcrowded, the US/Brits bombed the supply routes and everything else. A typhus epidemic killed 35,000 at Belsen, see

The horrific photos were taken at the western camps at the end of the war.  The prisoners died and were dying, 15,000 at Belsen after liberation, due to disease.

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By BR549, October 7, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

Re:  garth, October 7 at 12:00 pm
“The barbarians are at the gate dressed as ordinary Americans posing as angry lovers of the Consitution.”

I hope you meant, ““The barbarians are at the gate posing as angry ordinary Americans who happen to love
their Constitution.”

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 7, 2010 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

Thanks christian96.

I do read and study the scriptures… but haven’t delved too deep into Revelations, but very familiar with what you are referencing…

I don’t know exactly, much supposition.. but I do know that the Christ came at just the right time, for reasons stated in the scriptures, and the Christ ALSO pointed out the reality of what was at-hand:  The consumption of every individual, culture and religion by Rome…

I believe he not only warned us throughout scripture in so many ways, both describing and illustrating… AND of course He showed HOW to live under such tyranny.. which was / is inevitable for the heart of man is so.

What we see today is still the continuation of that “Rome” idea of empire sucking up all nations…. and the tool of slavery?  The money.

“Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s” in reference to money and man’s heart and the spiritual connotation attached to that statement.

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By StuartH, October 7, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

I find it fascinating to read these comments and watch what has been going on
with Scheer and Hedges. 

It would be interesting to randomly pick someone from this group and make
them King or Queen, all powerful.  Theoretically this would be a philosopher
King, a benevolent dictator.  This would last about a day. Maybe.

The thing is, people here really don’t like politics or people who gravitate
towards political life.  The essence of the problem isn’t about issues, but about
the same sort of social dynamics we all encountered in high school. 

If we look at what is going on from the comfort of our own space, we see the
same thing.  There is a lot to criticize.  From a distance we have the luxury of
time to think about how much better it would be if people who are players in
the system were not making the mistakes that they always are making. 

What we don’t tend to realize is that being a player means taking on the roles
and the responsibilities of dealing with what is really there to be dealt with, not
some ideal set of game playing parameters. 

The other people in the process are mostly the problem.  They obstinately
refuse to listen to persuasive reason and instead want to put on boxing gloves
and simply overpower with some sort of raw force like amassed money or the
ability to mobilize people who are angry but not very smart. 

Communicating about what is really going on is impossible because no one
wants to hear the details of the complexities.  That doesn’t move advertising
dollars because the public turns off.  The public, dumbed down by over forty
years of a stalemate on how to improve education, only wants the cartoon
version.  That is the real reason the media is so lame, aside from the attempt to
monopolize the information flow through the use of big time investments.

So what one is left with is only that part of the population that really can see
through all the fog. 

Unfortunately, that is not a majority. 

The alternative, a philosopher king, has been tried.  Evolution anyone?

Hedges and Scheer are obviously working a demographic because it is a way to
fund careers, as an alternative to funding through conventional media.  Hedges
sees the world through the lens of being a veteran war correspondent who
doesn’t really have much insight into how real civic engagement both works
and doesn’t work every minute of every working day.  For his next book, he ought to run for city council and report on the experience of successfully moving at least one real progressive policy into place.  It can be done.  It happens all the time.

Our system is always teetering on the edge of disaster, always has been and always will
be.  That is the nature of a biological system, which the human population
really is.

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By bhamwa, October 7, 2010 at 8:29 am Link to this comment
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Time to push for mandatory voting in the United States, Australia has it and it works just fine.

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By garth, October 7, 2010 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

The barbarians are at the gate dressed as ordinary Americans posing as angry lovers of the Consitution.

The Tea Party barbarians are funded by the corporate largesse and led by Dick Armey, the ex-Congressman from Texas.  That’s where the the Hunt’s live.

The shelling began years ago, mainly to undo the advances brought about by the FDR adminstration.

With Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, they wrested control of the military from the Congress and President.  Now, it’s, “Let’s listen to Generals on the ground.”

Let’s listen to the Generals UNDER the ground.  Robert E. Lee would be a good place to start.  As President of a military academy after the Civil War, he symbolically marched out of step at their parades.

The image of corporations changed from dull drab hiding places for businessmen of the 50s to the, ‘I am God!’ posture that they now hold over tired, over-worked, overly indebted workers.  ‘Do you like your job?’ 

California students are striking, but no news of it except on DemocracyNow! Workers used to strike.  Not only for themselves like for higher wages and improved working conditions, but for other workers.  High tides raise all boats. 

Grab a new media.  The American militarists used the InterNet in all their so-called color revolutions.  They could create an instant show of power in numbers by alerting people to go to a certain city square.

The barbarians are about 30 days from striking distance.  People in their right mind are tired already.  How can they be energized when there is no element of fire-in-the-belly left.

Their changes could start drastically with moves such as those imposed on Russia by the economist Jeffrey Sachs when the Soviet Union fell.  And he was caled up to help, to advise.  It could continue full bore on to American Fascism. 

Don’t forget the Peers of England have a fascist mind set and Wall Street is closely linked to the City of London.

Antonin Scalia’s father was the founder of the American Fascist Party in 1934.  Scalia’s father was a Professor of Classics at Hunter College.  Antonin did not fall far from the tree.  Even Mario Cuomo said that Scalia would have been better off as a company president.  Now that remark says a lot about corporations in a fading Democracy.

FBI raids in Chicago and Minneapolis say a lot.  Hyper-vigilance, attacks on Americans for being Muslim, for being Gay, for being an activist.  These are the tell tale signs of of incipient Fascism.

And the press could be held as co-conspirators in the treason.

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By archivesDave, October 7, 2010 at 7:36 am Link to this comment

TRUTHDIG Propriety:
PLEASE get that damn ‘Quill’ / Fish popup off or at least mitigate the popup routine.

When we try to minimize it, everything reverts!!!!
Extremely disgusting and annoying!!!!!!!

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By archivesDave, October 7, 2010 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

Excellent post Bro…
Your comments on Germany and China make absolute sense.
btw, If u haven’t done it, do some research on the BIS
and see where/how it began and observe it’s position on the global scene today (and tomorrow…)

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By BR549, October 7, 2010 at 7:13 am Link to this comment

Re:  colin2626262, October 6 at 11:24 pm
“What if the few have massive military and police force behind them?’

Look at the concatenation of events leading to the present; all the way back to
Reagan and somewhat earlier. The Continuity of Government program sounded
like a well meaning plan at the time, but after REX84alpha was adopted and
then morphed into FEMA and further to Homeland Security, we could see why it
was necessary for Clinton to start pushing our wiretapping buttons. He also
became irate at reporters for questioning him about detention camps being

Bush the Idiot then followed through on Clinton’s abuse of wiretapping, plus
suspended Posse Comitatus, allowing for the assignment of the US Military to
be used directly on US soil in circumvention of their use at the specific request
by the governors of the individual states during times of emergency. And while
Bush began deploying much of our fighting age men and women throughout the
globe, he all but emasculated the homeland from any type of armed response ....
well, so he thought. Obama has merely followed through with that same plan.

There was never any intention of bringing or troops home to downgrade our
occupation, only to buy time while the diversionary deck of cards was shuffled.
Were too many of the troops to be restationed back here in the states, it would
become too apparent that the lives of the families of our troops would be resting
on their fellow troops’ understanding of what was REALLY happening and why
they had been lied to in order to elicit their sense of patriotism.

Enter the training programs of the foreign military, especially in house to
house searches on US soil. This has been going on for at least a decade, but
has been ramped up considerably as time went on.

So, Colin, that’s a very interesting question. The answer lies in just how far those in charge are willing to sabotage this country with their desires for personal gain. It depends on how many meatheaded returning service personnel have been totally brainwashed into being willing to shoot or displace the parents, brothers, and sisters of the men they served with in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also depends on how many foreign troops Obama can now seemingly justify bringing in from the U.N. in order to “preserve the peace” against a conflict he is all too complicit in having created.

All of this could get back on track in a heartbeat if we were allowed to re-embrace our very own Constitution, but we aren’t likely to see that happening since the elitists’ plan is to disembowel it.

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By IllinoisMom, October 7, 2010 at 4:46 am Link to this comment
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Yet another rant. Who cares. No solutions, just inflammatory rhetoric. What’s the point??! I disagree with most of what Hedges has written. Outsourcing has destroyed class consciousness and class conflict?  That’s completely inaccurate, like much of the article. Bitch about One Nation if you want but it was the antiwar base that was there, in force, marching for jobs, not war. How do you plan on producing health care and jobs without a government? There is no plan here, NONE….just blathering.

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By colin2626262, October 6, 2010 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment


I think it’s wrong to say there’s no solution and that things have gone too far.  There’s a difference between realism and pessimism, and I think you might’ve chosen the latter. I wish Chris Hedges would clearly spell out what he means when he says we must “revolt against the formal structures of power.”  I mean, what is he calling for?  He uses words like “rebellion” and phrases like “war cry.” 

There was a war declared against American capitalism and militarism.  You’ve probably heard of it.  It’s called 9/11.  I’m sure Hedges isn’t calling for more of that.  Then again, I listened to a joint interview he did with an environmental extremist and the idea of using violence against the corporate state in some way wasn’t ruled out.  I think, however, he knows better, after covering wars and seeing so much violence first hand.  Gandhi actually had a convincing thought on this.  He said:

“It can be easily demonstrated that destruction of the capitalist must mean destruction in the end of the worker and as no human being is so bad as to be beyond redemption, no human being is so perfect as to warrant his destroying him whom he wrongly considers to be wholly evil.”

Gandhi’s economic ideas may have been somewhat too idealistic, but he was right when it came to violence and nonviolence.  The only solution is a peaceful solution, not a French Revolution style solution which isn’t a solution at all. 

I wish I had a solution, but saying there isn’t one precludes the possibility of ever finding one.  I appreciate when people like Hedges spell out the problem.  Then again, there are many others who do that.  I like Chris’s moral vision.  That’s what he has above some of the other commentators.  Like, for example, a guy I found named David Michael Green.  He’s incredibly brilliant, but his anger seems extreme, as in saying, for example, that he’d like to see the shit kicked out of certain Democrats.  I do like this quote about partisanship in Washington:

“Our national problem isn’t that we honorably disagree over two equally respectable philosophies of governance and therefore don’t get along because we’re all such good citizens that our passionate commitment to the public weal as we each see it best pursued leads us to be occasionally intemperate. No. Our problem is that there is a group of elite raptors who are seeking to vacuum every ounce of wealth out of the pockets of the other 99 percent of us and scoop it into their own pockets instead, and that they’ve employed a set of politician stooges who have in the last several decades jettisoned all meaningful behavioral limitations on what they’re willing to do to achieve those ends.”

Kind of long winded but no mincing words.  The thing is, being angry only takes you so far, and, to use a Hedges phrase, “in the end,” it’s self defeating.  Well, that’s my two cents anyway.

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By elisalouisa, October 6, 2010 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

Nothing really changes colin2626262. Anarcissie’s posts are about the same every week as to content although the words may vary somewhat. According to her, Chris Hedges must do it all, state the problem, give the solution and in some posts even lead us toward that end.grin
As to C.Curtis.Dillon’s post, bartering can be a way of life in other countries, especially where small privately owned businesses are prevalent. That’s just not true here. You can’t barter with chain supermarkets, Costco or Home Depot. There is no real solution as to the problems of our country and we all know it. Things have gone too far.

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By christian96, October 6, 2010 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

NapoleanDoneHisPart——I’m back.  Usually, for
breakfast I clean some strawberries and eat them
with non-fat yogurt.  I was out of yogurt.
In reference to your comment about a two-headed
dragon, Revelation 13:11 reads, “And I beheld another
beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two
horns like a lamb and he spake like a DRAGON.”
Some people who study prophecy think this might
represent Capitalism and Communism, the two dominant
systems representing business globally.  However,
two verses later it reads, “the beast makes fire
come down from heaven on the earth in the sight
of men.”  When I reflect on history, the dominant
incident of fire coming down from heaven happened
when the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan.  If this
is true then the two-headed dragon could very well
represent the democratic and republician parties.
However, having studied the Bible for years it
is quite possible “calling fire down from Heaven”
hasn’t occurred yet. It could represent radical
Muslims causing fire to come down from Heaven.
Later in Chapter 13 the beast requires people on
earth to take a mark in their right hands before
they can buy or sell.  So, it definitely has something to do with business.  As the USA declines
financially I see the European Union arising as the
dominant global power for finance, especially
Germany.  They started the first two world wars.
It is possible they will start the third and final
world war.  Germany and China are the world’s two
greatest export economies, by far.  A few months
ago, after years of heading the chart as the leading global exporter, Germany was suddenly eclipsed by
its chief rival in international trade, China.
Now China has taken its trade battle right on to
German soil near the ancient city of Cologne. There, within view of the old Cologne Cathedral, China is
building a pristine new factory to produce concrete
pumps.  Sany, one of China’s flagship machiney groups, is set to become the first engineering
company from the Middle Kingdom to launch production
in Germany.  Germany and China have become
increasingly interdependent economies.  The recent
presence of China in the Mediterranean and Europe,
and increasingly in Europe’s leading nation, Germany, is part of a deal between the two.  Even as
Sany’s Cologne facility reaches it completion date,
German industrialists are working to eastablish a
strong foothold on Chinese soil. In conclusion,
it is interesting to note that for years China has
been associated with a “DRAGON.”

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By omygodnotagain, October 6, 2010 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

Chris Hedges diagnoses is an oversimplification, blaming everything on a corporate oligarchy, right wing proto fascists. Progressives have contributed to the current state of things. Alienation and fractured communities are why there is no organized response. But who is responsible for that. America used to have strong communities, well forced integration changed that. Where once there was an Irish, Polish, Italian, Jewish neighborhood with defined values, instead it became a “diverse” neighborhood with no identity. America used to have great public schools, what changed, so as not to have disparities between different racial groups, standards were watered down. The media did its part, the hero was always the misunderstood outsider who triumphed in the end, like “Animal House” starring John Belushi. Whatever represented traditional American ways of life was skewered, the Southern working class were red neck motor-racing loving bigots, the Mid West farmers were closed minded reactionary religious fanatics, and the preacher’s daughter was always desperate to get laid. At every opportunity people with various religious convictions were mocked or their sins magnified in the media to show how hypocritical they were. The white mainstream male was always cast as the villain, to get ahead meant bending the rules, and a little larceny showed an astute business mind, swearing, threatening language showed they were “cutting edge”, gritty, street smart.
Gangsters were really good guys anti-heroes, from Rap
Artists, to the Sopranos and loudly applauded. Foul mouthed vulgar comedians from Lenny Bruce, to Richard Prior turned to drugs and alcohol to cope with the weight of their genius. Rock musicians overdosing on drugs all becoming mythical tragic figures.
Whatever was left of a consensus of American values of family, community, hard work, decency, fairness and interdependence was always being challenged by some group. For feminists the problem was the patriarchy, they pushed for women to join the workforce, compete with men show they were as good or better, have a full time high stress job and then expect them to change shift and do a second shift as a harried exhausted mother.
Meanwhile kids were left to fend for themselves between 4pm and 8pm long enough to be introduced to the local drug dealers and the latest coolest high. Dad and Mom just grew apart because the double shift left no time for themselves. This was called progress. So yes, corporations and other power elites have taken advantage of the fracturing of American families and communities, but lets not forget who aided them.

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By colin2626262, October 6, 2010 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, you’re so above the fray, aren’t you.  You’re right, you really shouldn’t criticize, especially if you don’t have anything to say except that we’re “the choir” to Chris Hedges, who, by the way, does present a solution.  I didn’t read his article closely enough yesterday.  His solution to the immediate problem is to turn away from the Democratic Party, which doesn’t represent us anymore.

“No rally, no positive message, no effort to expose the idiocies of those arrayed against us will work until we restore to the political process mechanisms by which ordinary citizens can be heard.”

That’s a solution.  The article did address the idea of solutions as well.  Hedges thinks our society has already basically collapsed but that it’s going to become more visible in the future. 

“The issue is the rupture of all mechanisms within the political process to protect citizens from accelerating impoverishment, internal control and corporate abuse. Those who refuse to acknowledge this bleak reality cannot offer solutions.”

C.Curtis.Dillon says of Hedges, “Why are we standing around waiting for him to give us direction?  We all know what is needed.  The power of the many always will destroy the power of the few.”  Really?  What if the few have massive military and police force behind them?

He goes on, “So, what do we do?  Several have already stated one way.  Create a viable 3rd party or 4th party ... as many as it takes.  Find the few politicians, like a Bernie Sanders or an Allen Grayson, who work within the current system and enlist them as your public face.  We know this is possible.”  Those two politicians, or someone like them, are going to become mainstream?  They’re going to become our next president, you think?  I don’t think so.

Here’s where C.Curtis seems to be living in a dream world.  He says, “We can also step outside the current economic system.”  Oh really?  “Hedges had a suggestion but it doesn’t work for the general public.”  Right, well it would help if it worked.  “We need to work together to create an alternative to the current consumption based rape.  Create a massive barter system using the internet.  Get away from the US dollar and find another way to trade services and goods.  Work locally to build this system.  Local businesses, local farmers ... you know what I mean.” 

No, I don’t know what you mean.  Let’s say I’m hungry.  I go to Taco Bell, but I tell the person at the drive-through , “Sorry, I’m getting away from the US dollar.  Do you think we could barter for a burrito?”  It’s laughable.

“And local political actions.  Work locally to develop alternative parties but also work to bring them together into a national force.  Win local elections first, then state and finally national.  That’s how we win this war!”

I hate to sound bleak, but I don’t see that happening.  If the solution is to work within the electoral system, I would say it’s hopeless.  If people think Obama is a socialist, imagine if you had an actual socialist.  What we really need is a change in values.

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By christian96, October 6, 2010 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

Rudolfo or is it Adolf?  I’m a psychologist but it
still amazes me that people such as yourself are
actually walking around on planet earth.  How do
you explain the thousands of photos of the skinny
Jews and Poles in the concentration camps? 

NapoleanDoneHisPart—-Thanks for your consideration
and suggestions.  I laughed when I read your comment
about the “two headed dragon.”  I don’t know how
knowledgeable you are about prophecies in the Bible
but there are several you should be aware of.  I’ll
finish this later.  I just noticed that it is
9:37 pm.  The grocery store closes at 10 pm.  I need
to get some groceries.  I’ll get back to you soon.

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By Rudolfo, October 6, 2010 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

Hedges writes

“It wasn’t hard in Nazi Germany to hear about the widespread massacres of Jews in Poland.”

What widespread massacres?  The only mass grave found in Poland that I’m aware of was at Katyn, discovered by the Nazis during the war.  They invited an international team of forensics experts and the graves were excavated.  Thousands of Poland’s finest murdered by the Soviets.  Yet, at Nuremberg the Nazis were charged with the crime !

Not a single mass grave has been excavated at any of the Polish concentration camps.  Auschwitz was supplied 70,000 workers daily to crucial war industries including Krupp, Farben and Siemens.

The neo-cons, not the ‘right’, are leading the US to endless war, and Hedges is harping on the phony holocaust, as always.

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By Oi812, October 6, 2010 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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Trying to affect change positively is incredibly frustrating.  To attempt to do so
within the 2 party system even on a local level is nigh impossible with the
agenda handed down from above.  It was eye opening and disheartening to
watch how quickly personal values were subsumed for the party values.  The
depth of corruption extends to my town of 2000 with ties to the state level.  I
no longer believe that it is a unique situation.  But to not vote is to invite the
inevitable corporate status quo 2 party police state.  Vote for the independent
socially liberal fiscally conservative person from your community.  Trust that
your positive actions are part of a growing tide of people who recognize that
power comes from within and is not part of the fear perpetuated by all those
that call for us against them.  The world has grown too small to not recognize
and celebrate the similarities that make us invested global citizens.  We all want
to protect our families and live without fear.  We all want to feel good about the
work we do.  Let go of the fear and be well

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By gerard, October 6, 2010 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

Want to know what to do?  It’s not that hard to find out.  Major point made over and over on this site:  Avoid violence.

So how do you do that?  You learn what nonviolent action means, how it works, and how to do it. What to do. What not to do. How and why it has worked in the past. Why it could work now.

Where can you learn answers?  Google nonviolent action, or nonviolent tactics.  Look up a place (organization or college) that teaches nonviolent attitudes and tactics.  Look uop “Peace Studies,” at Columbia or U. of Colorado, Boulder. Look up Quakers, Society of Friends, War Resisters, Iraq Veterans Against the War.  Etc. etc.

It’s not that hard to get tuned in.

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By BR549, October 6, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Re:  Napolean DoneHisPart, October 6 at 4:20 pm
other than the two headed dragon.”

The only way to send a message to the OTHER citizens is by skewing the results
away from the duopoly. We can do this in several ways.
1.  As Napolean stated, VOTE Third Party

2.  If no Third Party Exists, just vote out the incumbent

3.  And if a scumbag candidate is running unchallenged for a particular office, show up at the poll, vote for whatever else is important, but don’t vote for that office.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 6, 2010 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Here here garth….. to bad the bozos in CONgress don’t hear hear too well… but they will… soon.

This disconnect is something the ‘average’ Amerikan needs to do…. DISCONNECT from feeding the troughs of the rich by supporting their systems of finance, retail AND electorate.


Vote for ANY OTHER THIRD PARTY other than the two headed dragon.

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By garth, October 6, 2010 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

In the ebb and flow of the idea of Democracy in the United States of America, we are taking or have already taken the right-turn that Nixon threatened when he was President back in the 70s.

The forward surge of the idea of Democracy has met its barrier.  Persiflage.  They are, after all, good friends.

Listen to the Tea Party, listen to the Right-wing, listen to the listless response of the leaders of our ‘Democratic’ party.

Instead of Green Revolution, solar panels on houses, we get higher Energy rate from companies to say they are going green.  In what sense of that cliche do they mean?

Look at who we elected fro Prez in 2008 He’s a goddamn disgrace.  He has no business being the President.  What in the world does he know and what in the world does belive in?  I think nothing is the answer to the latter question.

Listen to the talk!  It’s frightening.  They don’t have a clue.

About 20 years ago, Joe Kennedy ex-Rep of the 5th District of MA was asked on a radio call-in show what he thought the average middle class family was making?

He replied, “Er, ah, a family of four.  I’d guess around $400,000.”

The woman caller lit into him.  He had no idea.

But this disconnect goes back further.  Nelson Rockefeller in his bid for the Presidency in 1968, said, and this is a quote, “Take the average American making $100,000 a year…..”

They have no idea. 

The Chinese Premier said recently about the trade deficit.  “In China, we are paid $4.00 for each iPod.  In the US you sell them for $399.00?

We are headed for deep trouble.  And the trouble is that American Capitalists are squeezing the last bit of capital out of the American worker to make up for their…......

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By Fellow Traveler, October 6, 2010 at 11:12 am Link to this comment
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Hedges is a reporter.  That means he reports what he sees.  He’s not trained to be a solver.

That is true, but he is also a socialist. He even wrote a column entitled, “Why I am a socialist.” A socialist has a certain responsibility to the working class, it seems to me, and it does not seem unreasonable to simply inquire as to what he sees as some specific steps for a working-class individual to take. No one’s asking him to head a political party. And he’s not simply a reporter. He doesn’t work for the New York Times anymore, he’s a commentator.

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By REDHORSE, October 6, 2010 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

I agree with LOCAL HERO about the vulnerable state of our so called “ruling elite”. Their anti-humanist greed driven motives and machinations can no longer be disquised. Hence the paranoid megalomaniacal imposition of Police State tactics. (”—you’re either with us or against us—”) World consciousness is expanding, change is absolute, and they’re dangerous dinosaurs.

  Indeed we do need justice, order and vision but the Dims and Rethugs possess none of these. Most who post here hold great fear for the American future. The worst has already happened. Recent decisions by our Supreme Court says clearly all three branches of Government are compromised. This is it. No one speaks for us. And no one seems to know what the solution is or how to begin.

  We assume an American morality that will not allow the violation of human rights, dignity, mass murder and political repression of its citizens. But, it is obvious, that more and more, average Americans are seen in the same light as Iraqi, Afghan or Latin Americans who might pose potential threat to the acquisition of Corporate wealth. Posters openly admit that an American coup has taken place and America is being intentionally reduced to Third World status. Fear and political/financial fraud reign.

    We also overlook the cataclysmic natural forces of GCC, the coming scarcity of food, water, shelter, and population explosion. World Eco-Failure is as large a threat as the Fascist baboons in Washington.

    C.Hedges, and we posters have said these same things over and over and over again. Instead of discussing this rally we should already be planning the next one.

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By StuartH, October 6, 2010 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

bklynguy brings actual experience to the discussion as few do:

“... I do not feel I have the luxury of not dirtying
my hands to support less-than-perfect politicians to prevent much worse ones
from coming to power.”

Few people who are in the habit of writing and blogging, seem to have actual
face to face experience with any sort of government or policy making.  Few people who do have any interest in blogging.

The real world is full of people you don’t like and who are bent on objectives
that you really don’t like.  What is really tough is when there are more of them and they are better at it than you are.  That is the nature of a competitive world with a whole lot of people in it.

If you can’t articulate yourself well enough to persuade others, then you have to
do what it takes to become really good at it. 

If progress on something is disappointingly slow and incremental, don’t give
up.  Some people wait for long years before getting a chance to get somewhere
on an issue.  The civil rights movement began a minimum of twenty years
before Dr. King began his famous marches.  Incremental progress was certainly
seen as progress during those years and there was a lot to complain about. 

There were activists out getting themselves killed.  There were intimidating
acts of a threatening nature all the way up into the 1980s, and there still are.

One could point out that civil rights activism was built on top of generations of
efforts to get traction on progressive reform principles. 

As I read the comments here, I see something that I think Chris Hedges misses. 
He is a war correspondent who then spent a great deal of time with right wing
evangelicals.  This would affect anyone.

Unless you make a determined effort to get to know people who are in elected
office and the individuals who work in professional public administration and
talk intensively with the lawyers who are involved in the real negotiations that
go on, you don’t get the true story.

Try getting to a point where you really know what is going on and then try to
explain it to a reporter.  Most of the time they don’t want to know.  That is
because what is actually happening is just too complicated. 

What reflects what is going on is so oversimplified, so cartoonish, that it very
little resembles reality at all.  The only other communication avenue is political
advertising.  That’s why it all seems like ritual theater.

Thus, there is a wide gap between what is really happening and what appears to
be happening.  Most people can sense this even if they don’t know how to
analyze it.  Thus, incoherent sputtering is everywhere.

But when there is an economic circumstance that really hurts a lot of people,
then the question of what is going on becomes more interesting.  But the flow
of information does not improve.

The disconnect becomes a source of existential anger and anxiety.  We become
like horses in a corral before an earthquake.  We know something is going on,
but we don’t know what.  If someone wants to come close and help us, we feel
like kicking them good and hard. 

Thus, we might believe whoever those people are who are occupying positions of responsibility are
just not paying attention because they all seem too collected.  That is a media
illusion, that comes from lack of ability to go deeper. And it is also calculated to have an effect on us. 

Really, not voting hurts oneself.  Those who get elected as a result of one’s missing vote will use their power against one’s real interests.  Be assured of that.

This isn’t a game.  It really is a battle.  If people can win by tricking you they
will.  Don’t be fooled. Vote.  Don’t be an animal in a corral.  Read. Think.

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By archivesDave, October 6, 2010 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

Donna Fritz:
I hate to bust your bubble but it’s ALREADY a Proto Fascist Oligarchy….
Next step, the DEMISE of the Dollar with a parallel
global currency.
Next step, There goes whatever sovereignty we have left!

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By Donna Fritz, October 6, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

I totally get everything Chris is saying. OTOH I’d rather keep a very, very imperfect Democratic Party in power than hand our government over to proto-fascists, which is what the Republican Party has become. Actually it’s a no-brainer.

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By bklynguy, October 6, 2010 at 9:57 am Link to this comment
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LJL is right. Too many of the Left, for all their vocal support for the toiling masses, have little understanding of the sweaty reality of working class life.

I work for a state agency handling workers’ compensation claims and it makes a big difference to injured workers whether or not a liberal Democrst or conservative Republican sets the agency’s policy. Whether or not a disabled worker gets paid and is able to live a decent life until he recovers is directly dependant on who calls the shots at the state capital. Multiply this millions of times to see the difference between the parties manifesting in Social Security disability claimns being accepted or denied, unions organized or not, jobs created or not, unemployment compensation extended or not,libraries kept open or closed, etc. These differences are, for the most part, small-bore, effecting only individuals, rarely generating news or coming to the attention of the progressive literati, but they are nontheless real and life-changing for those effected.

I see the practical day-to-day difference between mainstream liberals and conservatives exemplified in how each actuallly governs those institutions that effect the sweaty everyday reality workers face. Thise differences are are not earth-shaking and world-changing but are still very real to many people, literally life and death in some cases.

I will continue to vote for and work to elect Democrats, flawed and even corrupt as many are, because the alternative, not voting, not participating, engaging in feelgood utopian gestures, will enable the Right to gain more power and run agencies like mine in a way that will kill or cripple “average” working people. To be sure, I work to elect progressive over Blue Dog Democrats, I have worked to defeat in primaries corrupt Democrats, but I do not feel I have the luxury of not dirtying my hands to support less-than-perfect politicians to prevent much worse ones from coming to power.

Finally, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. How many progressive Germans saw no real difference between Hitler and the Liberals and Social-Democrats? We cannot afford to make that mistake again.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 6, 2010 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

Nick Egnatz is correct!

We need fresh faces, hired truly by their constituents in those positions.. and then the proceedings and witch hunts can begin…

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By Nick Egnatz, October 6, 2010 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

Those who continue to vote, perhaps you should reconsider.  By voting for a Democrat or a Republican you are affirming lawlessness on the highest order.

The 2005 House Judiciary Committee Minority (Democratic) Staff Report as condensed by Chairman John Conyers: “...the report examines the Bush Administration’s actions in taking us to war from A to Z. The report finds there is substantial evidence the President, the Vice-President and other high ranking members of the Bush Administration misled Congress and the American people regarding the decision to go to war in Iraq; misstated and manipulated intelligence information regarding the justification for such war; countenanced torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment in Iraq; and permitted inappropriate retaliation against critics of their Administration. The Report concludes that a number of these actions amount to prima facie evidence that federal criminal laws have been violated. Legal violations span from false statements to Congress to whistleblower laws.”

In 2006 the Democrats won the House and refused to proceed or even consider impeachment hearings and thus became complicit in the crimes. 

In 2008 the Democrats won the House, Senate and Presidency and again refused to prosecute Bush and his top aides continuing the complicity in the crimes.

Do you really want to vote for Democrats and become complicit in their crimes?

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By BR549, October 6, 2010 at 8:23 am Link to this comment


“..... you haven’t been raped, until you’ve been raped by a Federal Government
and its military.”

Amen to that. How can one focus their energies on either retribution or
forgiveness when their target is so big that victims can’t pinpoint who the
perpetrator was? Case in point; our legislature. Despite all the efforts to show
how “diligent” they all are being, we are still in this precipitous plunge into
oblivion while they point fingers and blame their counterparts for our demise.

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By garth, October 6, 2010 at 8:09 am Link to this comment

“The issue is societal collapse. This issue is a corporate state that has carried out a coup d’etat. The issue is the rupture of all mechanisms within the political process to protect citizens from accelerating impoverishment, internal control and corporate abuse. Those who refuse to acknowledge this bleak reality cannot offer solutions.”

Hear! Hear!  These are types of articles and opinions the slumbering, fearful Americans need to read and take to heart. 

The rebel within us, the brave heart that stands up and says, “That’s all I can stands.  I can’t stands no more.” has been embarrassed and drown out by elitists in the media, in government and it seems everywhere you turn.

The Democrats want to dredge up some fuzzy ideology that they’ve lost sight of.  They want to ‘platitudinize’.  Neither the Democratic party stalwarts nor the Republicans live like the rest of us.  They don’t even have a clue.

We are being atomized.  Hyper-vigilance, news that is not news, pols saying anything, anything.

Elections will change the name plates on the doors of Congeress but little else.

Labor?  Give me a break.  Have you seen Trumpka all smiles as he accompanies Obama.  He accepts grilled keilbasa sandwiches serverd out the back door.  How can anyone support this fraud?  He’s just another guy with a Law degree form Harvard.

(I ran into a restaurant owner in Western Massachusetts who was a graduate of Harvard Law.  She became a restauranteuse(?) when she tried to practice law.  She said Harvard trains law students in policy.  All her work in law after graduation was the real law and billable hours.)

David Cyr spells it out clearly.

Those people free-willing to be complicit in corporate crimes are allowed to indicate their (R) or (D) preference for how they prefer those corporate crimes to be committed.

Choose how your crimes will be committed:

(R) crudely, rudely, and hot-bloodedly


(D) elegantly, fashionably, and cold-bloodedly.

All other votes are disregarded… and discarded

It’s no longer, you payes your nickel and makes your choice.  It’s a slow death a la neo Liberalism, or hari kari via the Republican Fascist’s modus operandi.  Either way it’s going to be ugly.

Senator Jim Dimwit DeMint from SC is know forging his way to a Presidential run.  He’s the bobo, if you remember, who was elected to the Senate in a contested race and then, safely in his seat for at least the next 6 years, was the first to come out in support of Bush’s Privatization of Social Security.

Now, his schtick his gay teachers and gay marriage.

It’s gonna get ugly.

I love Hedges’s articles.


The right-wing propagandists have not created the problem.

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By RayLan, October 6, 2010 at 8:09 am Link to this comment

Rabid Republicanism is the only assurance the Democrats have of being elected. The crazier the Right gets the more it scares centrists and liberals into the Dem corner. (Since there are only two).

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By BR549, October 6, 2010 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

LocalHero, October 6 at 4:38 am

And exactly how long do you think it will take for those still enthralled minions on
both sides of the fence to wake the fcuk up enough so that the rest of the
population will see the system as having totally failed?

As long as the duopoly can continue to light some fire of hope under the sorry
asses of these unsuspecting souls, not unlike what Obama did to the nation in
2008, the people in charge will vehemently confirm their “legitimate” right to the
seats of power and that the system is still viable, and any attempts by the throngs
of the angry population to assert otherwise will be seen as sedition.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 6, 2010 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

David J. Cyr, are you describing admiralty and how the corporate straw-man is contracted to do business with the state and all its entities?

bbuc, that I think has been in motion for some time and either is already realized or final loose ends are being tied up.

christian96, being duped into paying taxes by all means is part of ‘the game’ which is all about pushing papers back and forth and convincing the other party

Look into all the options you have in defending yourself!  Meaning, learn how to push that paper back, filled out to benefit you!  No need to lie, just work it out.  And remember, just because THEY came to some calculation stating you OWE whatever amount… THEY COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG… or just bluffing and trying to intimidate you like they’ve done several single mothers I’ve know.

These single moms, who’ve always had their taxes prepared by a ‘professional’ and have paid from withholding and all… but were threatened to be audited, with penalties and threats of more.. so they quickly call to cut a deal, make a payment plan or pay immediately ( which is exactly what these bloody blood suckers WANT AND WISH most folks do… out of fear and without thinking ).

They seek out victims and those who will easily turn over.  People understanding the game of money laugh everytime they receive IRS letters…. for it is all about the numbers and how you can show and prove it… A GAME!

When Obama opened his mouth, somehow the IRS wasn’t listening.. but you need to PROVE your ‘honest position’ on those forms… GET CREATIVE MY FRIEND!

Once, my mom received an IRS bill for $12k+ which was INCORRECT and her ‘professional’ who filed it on her behalf, screwed up!

Much stress later, and me looking into it and doing some reading, I found the discrepancy and pointing out in the local IRS branch nearby… and she had her money plus the interest for time spent in dirty hands, in her hand in two weeks!  Since then, I’ve done my personal taxes for now I can see it for what it is….


jdelassus and several others are spot on regarding what we are up against-


Those we are trying to show the big picture to have their minds warped and set a certain way…. as we all may have had prior to reading, searching and thinking…. and reading between the lies and propaganda.. which these dear friends of ours, wherever on the sliding scale of politics they lay, have yet to discover and realize.

We need to lead by example, by deed and then by careful instruction WITHOUT falling into the RUT of using buzz words ( which position people against each other and closes their minds from new thoughts and ideas from feeding them ).... not using buzz words like “republicans” or “the left” “right” or other such broad sweeping platitudes….

For when it comes to politics, all is platitude while nothing is said.

Question is:  How do we speak without falling into the same discourse we’ve been conditioned and programmed to regurgitate?  And do this without searching for replacement words or falling off the point…

Reminds me of Orwell and 1984.

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By David J. Cyr, October 6, 2010 at 6:19 am Link to this comment

The liberals’ contribution to corporatism’s “civilization” has been their development of a far more sustainable shape-shifting form of fascism ?— one that evolves and endures because it continually changes without changing.

The two major factions of the one corporate party (Republican and Democrat), and their wholly owned subsidiaries (i.e. Conservative and Working Families, etc.) are provided to keep natural persons occupied in competition to determine which collection of carbon-based creatures will be corporate government’s most useful fools.

Elections are allowed here, within this global corporate possession that once was the nation state of America, to offer an opportunity for natural persons to provide popular mandates expressing their approval of the corporate decisions made upon what is to be done that the invading and occupying controlling force corporate entities have already decided will be done.

Those people free-willing to be complicit in corporate crimes are allowed to indicate their (R) or (D) preference for how they prefer those corporate crimes to be committed.

Choose how your crimes will be committed:

(R) crudely, rudely, and hot-bloodedly


(D) elegantly, fashionably, and cold-bloodedly.

All other votes are disregarded… and discarded.

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By bbuc, October 6, 2010 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

Increasingly it occurs to me that the coup promulgated by SCOTUS’s appointment
of the Presidency to GW Bush is getting another boost with the Citizens United
verdict… locking in a supra-corporate takeover—unless we stop it somehow.

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By archivesDave, October 6, 2010 at 5:21 am Link to this comment
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“I would lay off Obama.  Yes, he’s not FDR as many would have liked including myself but he is a very shrewd politician and understands the environment in which the country as a whole exists.  He’s recently changed some economic advisors.  Maybe we’ll see some changes in policy.”

Yah, sure, yu betcha….And maybe I’ll win the 100 million dollar lottery and Lucy will finally let Charlie Brown kick that *+#! football….U’d better
pick up some of the turnips that fell off the truck
with u.

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By archivesDave, October 6, 2010 at 5:14 am Link to this comment
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“Fight the corporation, fight the corporation…”...
I don’t think you have the slightest clue what you are talking about…
Who do you think the rudimentary puppet masters are
in these mystical corporations and just where does
the buck lead to and stop???
Better start doing some serious homework b4 it’s too late.

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By Anarcissie, October 6, 2010 at 4:54 am Link to this comment

Peacedragon, October 6 at 6:43 am:

In a pervious post Chris does suggest

“The more we expand community credit unions, community health clinics and food cooperatives and build alternative energy systems, the more empowered we will become.”

That is true.  But now he has reverted.

I really shouldn’t criticize.  The choir obviously love hearing the Word preached over and over again.  We this bad and we that bad—mmmm.  Amen, brother!

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By ardee, October 6, 2010 at 4:50 am Link to this comment

christian96, October 6 at 4:53 am

You say you are finished voting, thus claiming a portion of the burden for the ills of our government.

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By Peacedragon, October 6, 2010 at 2:43 am Link to this comment

In a pervious post Chris does suggest

“The more we expand community credit unions, community health clinics and
food cooperatives and build alternative energy systems, the more empowered
we will become. ”

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