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Live Chat: ‘Treat Palestinians Like Jews’

Posted on Jun 5, 2010

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9:38 Robert Scheer

Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:38:33 GMT


 I think the non-response of this administration has disgraced America in the eyes of the world. You can’t have it both ways, you can’t be a champion of human rights everywhere except for Gaza, you can’t. It doesn’t compute for people, and for this government to speak up on issues about the world and to be silent about something, as I said in my column, to be an act of terrorism. To invade international waters and kill 9 people is a complete act of terrorism. It isn’t any different from what happened in Tiananmen Square. There was nothing on these boats that threatened Israel, and for the U.S. to chew out everyone in the world, the leader of Russia for not treating the people of Chechnya well, and to give Israel a blank check, seriously compromises the U.S.‘s position to bringing peace. 

9:38 Comment From Michael Pugliese


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Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:38:35 GMT

Comment: On AIPAC and younger American Jews see the Peter Beinart NYRB article and this rancorous debate he had with hawk Eli Lake,

9:38 Comment From Mike

Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:38:42 GMT

Comment: From Mike: Will your book on the U.S. financial system really ever be published? I’ve had it on order for (I think but forget now) over a year. ...

9:39 Robert Scheer

Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:39:03 GMT


  This is my favorite comment of the last few years.

9:40 Robert Scheer

Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:40:15 GMT


  YES, the galleys have just been bound, the book will be published in 3 weeks and it will be for sale in August. Thanks for hanging in there, it is a good book and will surprise people by showing the responsibility of Democratic leaders as well as Republicans.

9:40 Comment From JewCrewAllStars

Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:40:19 GMT

Comment: Mr. Scheer, as a Jewish American I don’t agree with your views on this matter. What if the U.S. was able to stop the 9/11 attacks by taking more proactive actions, doing raids etc. ...?

9:40 Truthdig

Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:40:47 GMT


 Last question.

9:41 Truthdig

Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:41:22 GMT


 (Announcement while Bob answers this one: We’ll post all of the unpublished questions and comments after he leaves and we’ll keep chat open for a while.)

9:42 Comment From Sue

Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:42:22 GMT

Comment: Proactive like stopping the inside part of it?

9:43 Alaskanbushman via twitter

Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:43:17 GMT


 Israeli aggression in the Middle East will get totally out of hand, creating the beginning of a war that will affect millions.

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By mina, July 3, 2010 at 3:04 am Link to this comment
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i think that we will be punished because we didn’t do anythink to helpe palestinian people;every think is clear;the israelian don;t want peace.

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By MarthaA, June 10, 2010 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 8 at 3:25 pm,

I think Israel is in a quandary and acting irrationally, because there is a possibility that there was never Extraterritorial Rights paperwork filed where the Palestinians gave up their Extraterritorial Rights and Helen Thomas is right.  There is a good possibility that Israel doesn’t have the right to run the Palestinians off their land and Israel is really trying to kill them all because of it, but killing them all is not the solution, the solution is to deal with the situation and make peace with the Palestinians.

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By steve pesce, June 10, 2010 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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Has anyone even heard a reporter pose the question of whether the attempt by Turkey and Brazil to broker a nuclear deal to help Iran avoid sanctions could have played a role in Israel choosing such a draconian response to the Turkish flagged flotila ship?

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By Ed Harges, June 8, 2010 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

It really angers me that the flotilla attack has disappeared from the front page of
truthdig just as the personal accounts of the passengers, many of them
Americans, are becoming available.

It was not just on the one ship where the 9 were killed, but on the other ships as
well, that passengers were beaten bloddy, tasered, and otherwise subjected to vile
mistreatment by these cowardly IDF thugs.

Look at this, for example, at the Toronto Globe and Mail:

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By ThomasG, June 8, 2010 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 8 at 11:18 am,

So long as the Israelis are solely interested in extraterritorial rights of colonization of Palestinian land in the absence of a Palestinian State, there is NO solution to the Palestinian/Israeli problem and it is fitting that it be so.

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By Ed Harges, June 8, 2010 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Mr. Sheer writes:

“This is no longer the Israel of the old Labor Party, which was capable of being rational.
Netanyahu is a zealot, believes in a Greater Israel which will control these areas, and they
believe that the way to peace is to destroy a viable Palestinian society.”

But Mr. Sheer, even the old Israel, the “good” Israel, was by its core principles a tangle of
illogic that was bound to unravel.

It’s true that Israel styled itself from the start as both a Jewish state built on
religious/ethnic privilege and a beacon of human rights and enlightenment. Those twin
principles are mutually contradictory, and only the first is really core to the self-
definition of the state. Consequently, it is the second principle that is being discarded.
Israel must reconstitute itself on wholly different lines in order to be viable.

To do this would not be to “cease to exist”. To be reborn as something better is not
“destruction”. Did South Africa cease to exist when apartheid ended? Were the whites
annihilated in a Holocaust (™ )?

Life for everyone, including Israeli Jews, could go on better than ever after the “death” of
a thing so evil as the present horror called Israel.

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By MarthaA, June 7, 2010 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

What people seem to have difficulty with is not realizing that Israel and Palestine are one and the same, and the Palestinians consider Jerusalem as Holy to their people, also.

Those who pray need to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

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By Martha, June 7, 2010 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment
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Until you lived under bombs, and saw your neighbors
blown to pieces on daily basis, until your kids come to
school with Katusha shrapnel to school, until you heard
about kids blown up in malls, you have no right to
judge Israel.
Israel never NEVER never attacks first.
Israel has a right to defend it’s borders and

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By don knutsen, June 7, 2010 at 8:59 am Link to this comment
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Israel claims the flotilla was supporting terrorism. Out goverment as is usual turns a blind eye to the crimes of Isreal which is obviously why they have no real fear of any recrimination for their acts. Americans were killed in this, one shot in the head 4 - times. How about we demand that Isreal come forward with the evidence that this was not a humanitarian mission for the people of Gaza. Where is the weapons on the cruise ship ? Since when does another country get away with murdering our citizens without a whimper from our state department ? Our blind, Lieberman led, allegence to the state of Israel, despite their thumbing their nose at the rest of the world, has got to end. Seems ironic how their biggest support base is with the christian right when it was the jews who killed the person they claim to follow..but then hypocracy is their most obvious virtue.

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By last_boy_scout, June 7, 2010 at 1:12 am Link to this comment

I’ve come across a curious investigation, carried out
by some Israeli historian named Schlomo Sand (here’s
his wiki article).
He considered it to be the so-called “deadend of the
national mythologization”.

I’ve come to know about the guy

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By rollzone, June 6, 2010 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

hello. missed the article, as if Palestinians want to be demoted to being Jews. was not the PLO and Arafat instigated, propped, and supported by our CIA? was this not the clever faucet for radical extremist protestors? they organised the loose movement to locate and identify radicals. they never thought they would be intelligent enough to infiltrate our justice system. i am not pretending everything in life is a top down secret conspiracy, but riddle me this: petrodollars have brought American money to the middle east, and Mecca has flourished, and i am rehabilitating from an accident, yet can not ride my bicycle through the streets of Mecca, to admire what petrodollars have bought; because i am Christian. Arafat used to take American dollars from the CIA, while OPEC took American dollars from the consumer. suddenly green America wants to reduce the petrodollar umbilical- some even see the wisdom in eliminating oil consumption entirely, with alternative energy forms; and they fight the propaganda with complimentary solar energy solutions- which will be the decline in middle east incomes; for existing and planned projects. carbon taxes and global warming threaten their viable petrodollar income, so wisely and cowardly and effeminately, progressively they work: to undermine and subvert western economies and religions- so the transition away from oil will be stalled, or failed, or misdirected, or unfunded, or forgotten. so the Palestinians need to have freedom in Jerusalem, why can not i ride my bicycle, as a peaceful Christian, in Mecca? it is OK that they will kill me in Mecca, so it must be OK that they will kill Jews in Israel.

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By FRTothus, June 6, 2010 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

On the raw footage which contained a clip which was
used in the al Jazeera report, there is a shot of a
‘booklet’ of several roughly 5x7, 3-hole, laminated
pages, held together with binder rings, printed with
what appear to be photos and text. It has been
claimed that this was taken from (or dropped by) one
of the Israeli State terrorists during the defense of
the ship.  It is further claimed that this ‘booklet’
contained the names and photographs of ‘activist’
leaders and/or notables the IDF would be pleased to
see silenced if not eliminated.  I have not heard
anything about this in the corporate press (no big
surprise).  I am interested to know who is on that
list, and if it corresponds to those murdered.  Does
anyone have any more info on this?

I must say that I am also terribly ashamed at the US
for its continued support for Israeli war crimes, as
well as this administrations blindness to our own war
crimes of the last 10 years and more.  I am ashamed
at this country for not escorting aid to Palestine
itself. Why must Turkey do it?  The US is certainly
military strong, as it must be, to enforce its own
injustice, and from a moral perspective, Israel, as
the US’s cop on the beat, becomes entitled to any and
every outrage under the flimsiest claim of National
Security and/or Defense as its imperial benefactor. 
The weak do not have the right of defense?  Only the
criminals are allowed the use of deadly force?  I am
again ashamed of my country and its elected corporate
whores for its lack of morality cowardly hiding
behind ‘pragmatism’ and ‘moderation’.  Was there ever
such a thing as the Rule of Law?  Who will enforce
the Geneva Conventions against the empire’s
unauthorized use of force, or for crimes of
collective punishment.  Who will restrain empire when
it spoils (as ever) for a fight?

Hamas, democratically elected, is declared a
terrorist organization by the US establishment, both
Left and Right. The designation is suspect, insofar
as ANY people or nation that resists US corporate
goals are terrorists.  The label means nothing when
used by those blind to the massive terrorism done
under the US flag.  As William Blum said, “A
terrorist is someone who has a bomb, but doesn’t have
an Air Force.” What is clear is that 1) the ships
were bringing aid, not weapons, and that any claim of
Israeli self-defense is therefore illegitimate (as
are most of Israel’s claims of self-defense); 2)
Israel would like nothing better than to be rid of
the Palestinians, and seeks to hasten their leaving
by collective punishment (an outlawed crime of war)
and all manner of restrictions and encroachments,
from its very founding, and has made no secret of it. 

I am again and again reminded by such institutional
cruelty and imperial arrogance of how little humanity
has changed over all the centuries, how petty and
deceitful our leaders are, and I wonder what lessons
are to be learned when a people as victimized as the
Jews have been throughout history, establish a State
as venal and ruthless as Israel, supported by an even
more ruthless and venal United States.  What hope
does humanity have?

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By grumpynyker, June 6, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Scheer,

Why don’t you go ON RECORD and condemn the criticism
heaped on journalist Helen Thomas?  I don’t want her
removed from the White House press corps; she has the
right to voice her thoughts/opinions no matter who it

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, June 6, 2010 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
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Things are starting to change.  There are cracks in the solid wall of pro-Israeli reporting in the main stream media.  The question of whether Israel has become a liability for the US is being asked (Washington Post, MSNBC, etc.)  Politicians will have to start taking real questions on the conflict and will not be able to hide behind standard AIPAC propaganda.  This is the beginning of the end of apartheid in Israel/Palestine but the danger now is that Israel will go total lunatic and opt for a “final solution” to the conflict.

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By MarthaA, June 5, 2010 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

brewerstroupe, June 6 at 12:31 am,

I read your Jan. 21, 2010 Breaking News story in the Jerusalem Post about Hamas being willing to recognize the State of Israel as a nation and nullify its charter, which does seem like a huge break to me in the Middle East Wars.  Maybe peace will not be too far away, if Israel will work out a peaceable resolution for the Palestinians, instead of treating them like they have no rights whatsoever, when Israel is also their homeland.

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By brewerstroupe, June 5, 2010 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

Dear Mr Scheer.
I have been a regular contributor to your Truthdig’s comments page and I thank you for providing that forum.

My question it, why is it that this story has never gained any traction:“Hamas has accepted Israel’s right to exist and would be prepared to nullify its charter”

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By Robert, June 5, 2010 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer…Just want say many thanks for this latest article & others regarding the Palestinians.

I have noticed that we hardly see any pictures of Palestinian victims with many of the articles on TD & other media.

I know that during last year when Israel unleashed its massive weapons, including white phosphorus, on a mostly unarmed Palestinian population in Gaza, we hardly saw any pictures of victims/tragedy. As you know about 1400 Palestinians were killed in Gaza by Israel’s IDF.

Is it possible to consider this suggestion?

Best wishes & regards.

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By Peter Knopfler, June 5, 2010 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

Scheer nonsense all of it, When it comes to Israel Jews in General Scheer Nonsense, the ship of fools tries to run a legal blockade, and Israel not suppose to inspect, they are at war with Hamas, no recognizing the war, is Scheer nonsense, not recognizing Israel`s right to the blockade in time of war, Scheer nonsense, Suporting Killers HAMAs Scheer nonsense, Siding with Turkey who killed 1.5 million Armenians, and denies it, And that is what folks support the IRANIAN regime that executes gays and Jounalists, The Supreme leader that is who you support, SCHEER NONSENSE I SAY!

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By Richard Nixon, June 5, 2010 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment
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Michael Pugliese Comment: Regarding the Democratic Party ... 140,000 members
of the Progressive Democrats of America, and others in orgs. like the Americans
for Democratic Action, Democratic Socialists of America, carry on the fight inside
the DP far more effectively than third parties like the hapless Green Party.

This is a lame comment and should not go unnoticed. This is the only thing
Obama apologists can spew as his superman cape is revealed as an illusion.

The democratic party whether you have ‘progressives’ working inside it, is
completely different than the Green Party. Sticking with the democratic party is in
in no way challenging ecological damage, corporate takeover or the permanent
war economy. If you feel being a member of a progressive democrat group is
‘making a difference’, I’d really like to hear how.

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By JBoanerges7, June 5, 2010 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

If only people would listen.
Kudos to you Mr. Scheer
When will the people of the USA open their eyes and see the injustice our $$$ create; dollars that we do not have!

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