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Posted on May 27, 2010

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3:11 Comment From haroldbeu

Thu, 27 May 2010 23:11:51 GMT

Comment: I, too, am angry about the Democrats that supported GWB in his immoral, illegal and stupid war policies concerning Iraq and Afghanistan, but especially Iraq. So, Rand and Ron Paul were right on this issue. But again, what about Rand Paul’s position on the Civil Rights Act of 1964? You haven’t responded to that yet.

3:12 J_Carmon via twitter


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:12:43 GMT

Comment:

  When Rasmussen says Rand Paul is up by 25% (http://j.mp/4b4ZuQ), it really means he’s up by 3%  (http://j.mp/cyyjJi).

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3:16 Robert Scheer


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:16:00 GMT

Comment:

  (Answering haroldbeu) I’m not Rand Paul’s press secretary. I strongly supported and support the Civil Rights Act. I picketed for it, I wrote articles favoring it. I don’t know why that got to be the big issue here. He is not running for president. ... It was Martin Luther King who was much more concerned with the economic issue of people, and both Democrats and Republicans have betrayed the interests of black and brown people and those who got stuck with subprime mortgages, and that’s the pressing civil rights issue right now. What the banks did to the people is an atrocity, and the government bailing out the banks and ignoring the people is an outrage. And I think civil rights is a red herring and a distraction.



3:16 Robert Scheer


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:16:48 GMT

Comment:

  ...and what a cop-out, when you have a Democratic president who claims to be a former organizer ...  and we are cutting child care for poor children and I am supposed to be upset at Rand Paul?? What are we talking here? Where is the great outrage about what Bill Clinton did in deregulating the financial sector and allowing the mischief that has allowed so much destruction in the world economy?



3:17 Truthdig


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:17:41 GMT

Comment:

  Bob, you say in your column that Paul is a distraction. Are websites like ours doing a disservice by reporting so often on the antics of the Sarah Palins and Rand Pauls of the world?



3:20 Robert Scheer


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:20:26 GMT

Comment:

  Well, yes. I do think so. It’s letting the people of real power off the hook. I think Sarah Palin and Rand Paul are sideshows, and yes, I do think that’s a mistake. I only got involved because it upsets me that they are ignoring the important criticism that Rand Paul and his father have said. Without Ron Paul, we would not be having an audit of the Federal Reserve, and we are entitled to it. And if [it was] not for Ron Paul, we wouldn’t have a chance of getting an audit. So I do applaud the presence of some libertarian voices out there saying, wait a minute, you’re wasting our money. I think that the government and private sectors are both menaces and when they both join and get their way, it gets dangerous, and I’m happy the Pauls are willing to criticize that. 



3:22 Robert Scheer


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:22:22 GMT

Comment:

  Let me add, in all my political life, I have admired Barney Frank; he’s decent, sensible, logical. Why is Barney Frank, who is in charge of the banking regulation bill—why is he opposed to Blanche Lincoln’s amendment preventing the same big banks from engaging in these derivatives? They should not be allowed to do this. If Goldman Sachs wants to be playing with uncontrolled derivatives, they should be doing it on their own nickel and not as currently, in a government-backed bank. 



3:22 Comment From haroldbeu


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:22:25 GMT

Comment: Sure, he is not running for president, but there is the issue of ideology that I think is important. Rand Paul acts like demanding businesses not to discriminate is akin to demanding people to allow blacks into their homes. There is a place for government to get involved in such matters. It is important to be mindful that businesses provide services, and to deny people those services can cause true hardship; say for example my daughter needs insulin and there is only one pharmacy in town. And besides, Rand Paul is acting like a national actor. He is trying to influence all Americans with his ideology. It is a false dichotomy to suggest that we can’t criticize Paul and Obama both.

3:24 Robert Scheer


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:24:55 GMT

Comment:

  Well, I am not opposed to criticizing Rand Paul; I am not a libertarian, and on the big issues, I disagree with him. I favor more government spending on meeting the needs of poor people, expanding health care. I just don’t want to waste trillions on the banks and on the war. He is not someone I would vote for. I just mean people are picking on the Rand Paul problem and ignoring the things he is saying on the bailouts. It is just an easy way of ignoring our past presidents who got us into this mess. To paraphrase an old campaign, “It’s the establishment, stupid.”



3:25 Robert Scheer


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:25:20 GMT

Comment:

  Not referring to the commenter, but you get my point.



3:25 Comment From Kasia


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:25:22 GMT

Comment: I have a question for you, Bob: Do you think the GOP, rather than distancing itself from “outliers” and potential renegade types like Palin, tea party members, Rand Paul, etc., will be obliged to try to assimilate these figures and viewpoints in order to have a fighting chance in 2010 and 2012?

3:25 amities via twitter


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:25:53 GMT

Comment:

  Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants come to U.S. for generous welfare state .... yea real generous (http://is.gd/clkXQ).



3:27 jstreveln via twitter


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:27:10 GMT

Comment:

 RT @1whoknu: http://bit.ly/byRb0S - Rand Paul or Scam Paul - The Real Dr No || I thought it was Rant Paul.



3:27 Cosmicfruit via twitter


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:27:12 GMT

Comment:

  Support Jack Conway for Kentucky senator. We as a state CANNOT AFFORD to allow Rand Paul to become a U.S senator.



3:27 Truthdig


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:27:35 GMT

Comment:

  (Bob is currently responding to the question from Kasia.)



3:27 Robert Scheer


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:27:38 GMT

Comment:

  I think there’s a big difference between Palin and both Pauls. I don’t think Palin is a serious person, politically; I don’t think she has a well-thought-out position. I remain shocked that McCain thought that she should be a heartbeat from being president of the USA. I think that is an outrage. 



3:28 Truthdig


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:28:16 GMT

Comment:

  Question from the Internet: “Is Rand Paul being investigated far more than Obama was by the media?
“It seems I now know, less than a week after his national debut, far more about Rand Paul than I did about Obama before the election. And he’s only a candidate for the Senate.

“Why is the media so interested in him? Is it because he’s a successful doctor? Because he has helped so many people with his own hands ? Is it the ideas in his head ?”



3:28 Comment From haroldbeu


Thu, 27 May 2010 23:28:57 GMT

Comment: OK, Robert, the Pauls are right on several issues. I think Libertarianism and Ayn Rand’s objectivism seem logical in the abstract, but have little to do with reality. Besides, I wonder if the tea party folk know that Ayn Rand was pro-choice and against the war in Vietnam? Anyway, it seems that Rand Paul thinks ideologically and to some extent so do the tea party folk. I can sympathize with the anger with the incestuous relationships of the Big Banks, Corporations and Big Government, but the tea party folk tend to want to protect privilege of whites and the wealthy. Just look at their attitudes concerning taxation.

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By alibrarian, May 29, 2010 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment
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Obama “smarter than FDR.” Don’t make me throw up. I have read that Ob watches ESPN but doesn’t even watch the News. (Alter confirms that he does watch ESPN—while autographing photographs??? Does he think he’s a movie star?) You know what, he’s President—WATCH THE DAMN NEWS. And it’s cute that he takes time to go to Malia and Sasha’s sporting events, but I think we need a full time President. (Frankly, as a working mother, I almost never was able to attend my daughter’s games.) If ever we needed a full-time President, it’s NOW! The economy, the oil-spill, wars—and we are stuck with an amateur.

I felt, during the campaign, that Ob was just NOT ready, to be President—even though I voted for him. His performance as President has confirmed that feeling over and over. As a life-long Democrat, this makes me so sad because it may be many years before we get another Democrat elected, and despite flaws, I sincerely believe that the majority of us (WE the people) have better life-chances with a Democratic President.

I will not be bothering to buy or read Mr. Alter’s Obama-BROMANCE. And somebody tell him he needs a new anecdote—we’ve all heard about Ob’s lecturing the generals—for his interviews.

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By 10hawks, May 29, 2010 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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I like Rand Paul too.

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By T. A. Madison, May 28, 2010 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

Many thanks for providing needed perspectives Mr. Scheer.  Your comments help considerably especially in noting Paul and Palin as “sideshows” that distract from ending “unconstitutional war”.  Many thanks.

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By 1212, May 28, 2010 at 10:23 am Link to this comment
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Has anyone thought about the housing market crash
as a deliberate policy decision to reduce the cost
of housing employers must factor into pay and thus
make the U.S. more competitive?  I know that for
years various business policy groups here in
California bemoaned how much they had to pay to
attract people to Silicon Valley and other burgeoning
areas.  Certainly it would be typical that addressing
the problem would involve dumping the costs on the
little guy and putting money in the pockets of the
usual suspects.  Don’t reject this notion out of
hand because it sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Wake up, folks!  I can testify from personal experience that our society is governed by conspiracies.  Call them trade associations, chambers of commerce, or law firms lobbying in
capitols.  They are how things get done in the USA.

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By Virginia777, May 27, 2010 at 11:30 pm Link to this comment

“I do believe there is a need for public education and I do support that.”

Awesome, Robert Scheer!

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