If there was any truth to the assertions in the question, that would be something to discuss. But there is no truth. These are wild claims that have absolutely no factual basis. Obviously any group of any religion or any secular group that wants to set up a site that is a center of violent action is against the law. That is not the point here. The point here is that people who want to have a community center of which there are many and who do not represent a radical center have been tarred with the radical brush. And that is unconstitutional. But yes, if the Catholic Church wanted to set up and be a center of violence then that would be prohibited under American law and action would be taken.
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Next question from Lisa: Isn’t the issue of the mosque to be built at ground zero more about the right to[...] build what you want on private property rather than one of religious freedom? It’s just like the flag-burning issue. People want to turn it into a question of whether or not you should be able to burn the flag, and one sides says yes because saying no would infringe on your free speech rights, and the other side says no because saying yes would be disrespecting America. And the two sides have been going back and forth for years, never thinking to ask the question, “WHOSE FLAG IS IT?” So it’s an issue of private property, not free speech. I never used to really get the full meaning of the premise, “Private property is the bulwark of freedom.” Now I do!
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I apologize for all the technical issues we are facing on today’s session. We will be sure it won’t happen in future Q & A sessions.
11:37 Comment From Guest
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Comment:Is there any verifiable evidence that the proposed Community Center is being funded by “terrorist organizations”? For that matter, would we as carefully scrutinize the building of every Catholic church to be sure that some militant wing of the CYO is not ponying up inordinate amounts of seed fund?
11:38 Robert Scheer
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I think that’s an interesting point. And I do think there is a private property right to do what you want on land that you own, and these people have obtained the necessary zoning permits, so they’re complying with the same obligation that any owner of property has. The fact that they qualify as property owners, fulfilled the zoning requirements strengthens the argument that this is a matter of first amendment religious freedom. These people are not claiming they have the right to arbitrarily use their property in ways that would violate community zoning laws. That would be a separate issue. They are only asking for the same rigt that any property owner has and that was granted to them. But I return to the key argument: The only way this becomes a center of controversy is by attacking not the terrorists but anyone who has a different view of a deity and falls under the rubric of Muslim. In this case, the Muslims are people who have centuries of practice in inclusiveness and in rejecting religious violence. So I repeat, the argument made by Newt Gingrich and other demagogues is absurd on its face.
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In related news to the Mosque being built next to ground zero, new outrage over plans to build library next to Sarah Palin.
11:39 Comment From rowast
Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:39:39 GMT
Comment:Would those opposed to the NYC mosque also support banning the tea party from say the OKC memorial area surround the Murrah Fed. Building?
11:39 Robert Scheer
Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:39:57 GMT
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This project has been scrutinized more carefully probably than any community center project in recent memory, and the evidence seems quite clear that the people behind it—Sufi Muslims behind it—have nothing but peaceful intentions. If there were any other agenda involving a plan to commit violence, the use of illegal funds—we have quite a body of law now that the FBI can use to act on and investigate. I assume that has happened and they have not come up with any such information. So from the facts that we have, this is simply a case—an extreme case—of religious bias, and guilt by association. Which is exactly what the terrorists wanted. They wanted to seize the ground that they were speaking for all Muslims, when they are actually speaking for a lunatic fringe.
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We have time for just one more!
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Bob’s response:
11:43 Truthdig
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I think that is a good polemical point to make. And again it would be invalid, because clearly it would be wrong to tarnish the Tea Party, even though many of its people oppose federal spending, unless it’s in Alaska. On the other hand, you can criticize the federal government but that doesn’t mean you believe in violence. So obviously, that would be a false argument.
11:44 Comment From Guest
Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:44:01 GMT
Comment:That’s actually quite interesting. While I did not realize that the Sufi community were the prominent proponents of the Center now that I do, I’m more in favor of it coming into being than I was previously…and I was previously in complete agreement with its construction. The Sufi community have no greater designs on undermining the American way of life than the aforementioned Catholic Youth group which I alluded to in my previous comment.
11:50 Robert Scheer
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I’ll make a couple concluding remarks. One, we seem to have a lot of questions from people who are challenging the basic narrative on how 9/11 occurred. I think that the best way to respond to those questions is to demand access in a public trial to the key witnesses who have been held at Guantanamo for almost a decade and who formed the basis of the 9/11 Commission narrative. In the 9/11 Commission Report, it is stated clearly that the commission members, although they had the highest security and were chosen by the president, did not have access to the key witnesses. No were they able to questino people who questioned the key witnesses. And I think there’s a lot of suspicion out there because we have been denied a public trial of the alleged culprits, and the value of a public trial is that we would get to see the cross-examination of witnesses and we would get to examine the available evidence. And so I understand why suspicion abounds, which will always be the case with issues of government secrecy. Second, I don’t want to lose the key point involved with this Muslim community center controversy, which is the very dangerous principle of collective guilt, which has always been the basis of hatred and genocide. You find one or two practitioners of a religion or any other belief system who have engaged in despicable acts. You then extend that guilt by irrational association with the entire group of followers. We are dealing with an incredibly varied and complex phenomenon that exhibits different tendencies throughout the world whether it’s Indonesia as opposed to Saudi Arabia, whether it’s Afghanistan as opposed to the United States, the Muslim religion exhibits—as does the Catholic, as do all belief systems—enormous variations. And there are always subgroups who will claim the mantle of authority. And I would remind people that there is no shortage of examples of zealots in the Christian Jewish and every other belief system killing their own leaders, as happened with Yitzhak Rabin, prime minister of Israel. So it is important that this guilt by association be challenged and it is shameful that evidently a unified Republican Party and some leading Democrats joined in the witch hunting. But imagine if Barack Obama, president of the United States, had not made clear to the world that we do not hold all Muslims responsible for what happened on 9/11, that the president of the United States is not involved in a religious war against all Muslims. Imagine if he had joined this crowd of Gingrich and the others. What would be the message that we would be sending the people of Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq? It would be a message that the United States is involved as its detractors have claimed in a religious crusade. And that would have endangered our national security more than anything else a president could do. He did the right thing. Period.
11:50 Truthdig
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Thanks Bob
11:50 Robert Scheer
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Bye, thanks!
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We’re out of time but still have questions lined up.
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Maybe our other readers can partake—
11:51 Comment From Guest
Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:51:05 GMT
Comment:How would you recommended Muslims stand firm?
11:51 Comment From Guest
Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:51:41 GMT
Comment:Any Muslim charity that collects funds for poor Muslims is labeled with a funding terrorism! This has made it easy for the neo crazies and right wingers to use the law against any organization that they deem fit. Is the attack on this center part of a huge anti Muslim wave in America?
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By Tez Anderson, August 23, 2010 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
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This community center is a ginned up controversy by Republican operatives to
distract us from the BP Oil Disaster, the “Bush tax cuts” and the bad economy,
among other things. The timing of this “controversy” is conveniently close the the
mid-term elections. Nothing about this is recent this has been in the works for
years. Why are the Democrats playing into this? It is like the half-term governor
Sarah Palin why does anyone care what she “thinks” or says about anything? We
give them power we take it away. Ignore this and her and Newt and they will go
away.
Please. We have too many important things to focus on instead of these
distractions.
Yes there is a First Amendment right to build the Mosque here, even if the project’s purpose is to provoke protest demonstrations which can be shown in Arab countries to further inflame religious
passions . It’s a Machiavellian manipulation. Yes the Moslems have a constitutional
right to build a mosque here, but does anyone have right to build a church in Mecca?
They want their rights in Western countries but they persecute non Moslems in many Moslem countries. The Coptic Christians in Egypt are a good example, also the Christians in Sudan.
Moslems rail against what they perceive is religious intolerance against them, but how many so-called moderate Moslems condemned Hamas’s airing of a children program in which someone dressed in a Mickey Mouse suit encouraged children to kill Jews,(not zionists, Jews. AntiZionism is a euphemism for anitsemitism.)
In almost every Moslem country, especially Egypt
Syria, and of course Iran the clerics preach hatred not only against the Jews but also against Christians.
Yes, this is America and yes there is a First Amendment, but no private citizen is obliged to defend Moslems. In America, Free Speech allows us to choose our battles. And I choose to battle for the rights of Sudanese Christians persecuted by Moslems and to battle for the right of Israel to exist against the Moslem extremists who have vowed to destroy it.
Yes there is a First Amendment right to build the Mosque here, even if the project’s purpose is to provoke protest demonstrations which can be shown in Arab countries to further inflame religious passions . It’s a Machiavellian manipulation. Yes the Moslems have a constitutional right to build a mosque here, but does anyone have right to build a church in Mecca?
They want their rights in Western countries but they persecute non Moslems in many Moslem countries. The Coptic Christians in Egypt are a good example, also the Christians in Sudan.
Moslems rail against what they perceive is religious intolerance against them, but how many so-called moderate Moslems condemned Hamas’s airing of a children program in which someone dressed in a Mickey Mouse suit encouraged children to kill Jews. In almost every Moslem country, especially Egypt, Syria, and of course Iran the clerics preach hatred not only against the Jews but also against Christians.
Yes, this is America and yes there is a First Amendment, but no private citizen
is obliged to defend Moslems. In America, Free Speech allows us to choose our battles. And I choose to battle for the rights of Sudanese Christians persecuted by Moslems and to battle
for the right of Israel to exist against the Moslem extremists who have vowed to destroy it.
Today we begin our fundraising campaign for a long over due tribute to the world-class economic insights of Karl Marx.
The proposed Museum of Marxism will be an interactive center like the Tech Museum of San Francisco.
Visitors will be able to walk through the Hall of Materialism and see large screen displays of the history of labor’s struggle for a democratic society.
Teens can enter the Child Labor Chamber of Horrors for a scary view of the past (and future?)
Children will be able to explore the Labor Theory of Value in a large gym-like room.
The Arcade of Casino Capitalism will provide fun for all - like the “Bounce the Broker” where visitors guess how high cash-bloated Wall Street denizens will travel when dropped from various Dow Jones Indices.
Daily lectures by a host of Marxist luminaries, radical films, music, theater and dance events round out the experience.
Soon we will roll out our website and mass media campaign.
What a crock. This dialog going on without knowing who really
attacked america on 9/11/2001. Goes more towards the
implication that a bunch of arab muslims(mostly saudi arabians)
with a few other nationals involved than trying to get to the
bottom of who really attacked america.
So, by debating whether a mosque or community center be
allowed construction nearby, it does more to promote the idea of
islam being responsible while the real perpetrators still walk the
streets of america.
Thus the consequences of NOT thoroughly investigating 9/11.
No religious group should be allowed to build anywhere near
ground zero.
The Shriners, Freemasons already have new world order- cross triangulation pentagrams-criss-crossing across ground zero and Washington. Oh yea, can’t forget the coming invasion of the Moors
It was no accident of public relations that “Córdoba Initiative” was chosen as
the title of the Ground Zero mosque project. The city of Córdoba was the
capital of al-Andalus, the Umayyad Caliphate in Iberia, and the famous
Córdoba Mosque was built atop the rubble of a destroyed church.
Peaceful conquest is a historical anomaly, however — from its inception until
its long decline began in 1683, Islam expanded solely through violence.
Wherever Islam expanded violently, it built mosques at the sites of its victories.
The minarets rose over the rubble of destroyed churches, synagogues, and
temples to stand as symbols of Islam’s conquest of the kuffar. The Córdoba
Mosque was an architectural announcement of the Moorish triumph over
Christian Iberia.
The Córdoba Initiative thus provides an obvious historical analogy to the
Islamic victory on September 11th, 2001, at Ground Zero. The significance of
the name and place will not be lost on any educated Muslim who hears about
the project.
What has NOT been revealed is the source of funding for construction. What
also has not been revealed are the parameters of the Shariah Index Initiative.
The Ground Zero Mosque has at least 6 mystery floors. We suggest that they’ll
be used by the Shariah Index Project.
The Shariah Index Project was built by at least 14 Shariah experts. We have the
identities probably of 7 of them, and Rauf should reveal the other 7 right away.
The Shariah Index Project generated at least 16 documents and maybe a final
book, and Rauf should release all of these – right away.
The issues at stake in the Ground Zero Mosque and the Shariah Index Project
are not about Americans supporting the Constitution’s protection of religious
freedom. Americans support that protection.
The issues at stake here are about Americans protecting the Constitution from
Shariah-adherent groups using the protective guise of religious freedom to
attack the Constitution itself – using a triumphal Ground Zero mosque as “the
base” for a project to institutionalize Shariah in America.
Those who think they have something to gain politically by opposing the mosque, as well as those who simply don’t have the kind of first-hand knowledge of the area of the proposed center, would have you believe that the proposed Islamic Cultural Center will tower triumphantly over Ground Zero. I know the block well where the Islamic Cultural Center is to be built. Yes, it’s downtown, and yes, it’s “near” the Ground Zero site in terms of geographical proximity on a map. But in the context of the dense urban landscape that is lower Manhattan, two blocks might as well be twenty. And the site for the Islamic Cultural Center is rather obscure relative to the World Trade Center site. To help folks see what I’m talking about, and hopefully in the interest of adding a measure of rationality in the ongoing debate, the other day I created a video slide show, using Google Maps’ “Street View” feature. It’s an annotated, virtual walk around the block from 45 Park Place, the site of the proposed center. It gives viewers a sense of the reality of the location, as one experiences it as street level, and show just how out-of-the-way the site is relative to the World Trade Center. The link to the video is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6cpEAvvYB4 .
Islam does nothing without historical intent, consequences. Cordoba because that was first Mosque in S.Spain and from that initial Mosque in Cordoba, Islam took over SPAIN. Know your Islam history, Like Fort Hood ALLAH AKBAR,9-11 Allah Akbar, yes it is where religion and State are ONE! The Supreme being will Rule. FOLLOW the MONEY. That Location has already been used this past year as a Mosque, hidden in the BLD. No reason for another Mosque, why can`t we learn from other countries who are having problems with Islam-Muslims, England, France, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Holland, Sweden-that is Europe, Australia, Philipines, China, Indonesia, are also having problems with Islam and it all starts from the MOSQUE, Africaq another Problem, WOW now the USA TOO! Its a no brainer, NO MOSQUE!
Cordoba initiative’s claim that they want to build a cultural center to promote cultural awareness and harmony between Islam and the west seem hollow. The entire project smells of triumphalism. Why on the site of a building damaged in 911 attack and why the name Cordoba House? Why is the name of a Spanish city so important at this location. This location is important for Islamists as it will in times to come to be a symbol of Islamists’ first attack on America. The name Cordoba is important because it was not only the capital of first Islamic rule in the West but also the seat of first Islamic caliphate in the west.
The spiritual father of Pakistan and a poet, Allama Iqbal made a special trip to Spain in 1931 and visited Cordoba and even though offering prayers at the site of Cordoba mosque were prohibited—he offered namaz there and wrote a poem Masjid-e-Qurtuba. In it he wrote:
“Sacred for lovers of art, thou art the glory of faith,
Thou hast made Andalusia pure as a holy land.”
For devout and historically conscious Muslims—Cordoba mosque is a holy site. The significance of naming it Cordoba house are self evident.
As far as promoting cultural awareness—it can be created through 3000 other mosques that are already in the US. What would a mosque at ground zero do that 3000 other mosques cannot do? New York is a living testimony to religious tolerance—it does need lessons in that. If they want to promote and teach religious tolerance they should open churches and temples in Saudi Arabia.
By Tez Anderson, August 23, 2010 at 9:15 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
This community center is a ginned up controversy by Republican operatives to
distract us from the BP Oil Disaster, the “Bush tax cuts” and the bad economy,
among other things. The timing of this “controversy” is conveniently close the the
mid-term elections. Nothing about this is recent this has been in the works for
years. Why are the Democrats playing into this? It is like the half-term governor
Sarah Palin why does anyone care what she “thinks” or says about anything? We
give them power we take it away. Ignore this and her and Newt and they will go
away.
Please. We have too many important things to focus on instead of these
Report thisdistractions.
By walterbard, August 23, 2010 at 6:21 am Link to this comment
Yes there is a First Amendment right to build the Mosque here, even if the project’s purpose is to provoke protest demonstrations which can be shown in Arab countries to further inflame religious
Report thispassions . It’s a Machiavellian manipulation. Yes the Moslems have a constitutional
right to build a mosque here, but does anyone have right to build a church in Mecca?
They want their rights in Western countries but they persecute non Moslems in many Moslem countries. The Coptic Christians in Egypt are a good example, also the Christians in Sudan.
Moslems rail against what they perceive is religious intolerance against them, but how many so-called moderate Moslems condemned Hamas’s airing of a children program in which someone dressed in a Mickey Mouse suit encouraged children to kill Jews,(not zionists, Jews. AntiZionism is a euphemism for anitsemitism.)
In almost every Moslem country, especially Egypt
Syria, and of course Iran the clerics preach hatred not only against the Jews but also against Christians.
Yes, this is America and yes there is a First Amendment, but no private citizen is obliged to defend Moslems. In America, Free Speech allows us to choose our battles. And I choose to battle for the rights of Sudanese Christians persecuted by Moslems and to battle for the right of Israel to exist against the Moslem extremists who have vowed to destroy it.
By walterbard, August 23, 2010 at 6:10 am Link to this comment
Yes there is a First Amendment right to build the Mosque here, even if the project’s purpose is to provoke protest demonstrations which can be shown in Arab countries to further inflame religious passions . It’s a Machiavellian manipulation. Yes the Moslems have a constitutional right to build a mosque here, but does anyone have right to build a church in Mecca?
Report thisThey want their rights in Western countries but they persecute non Moslems in many Moslem countries. The Coptic Christians in Egypt are a good example, also the Christians in Sudan.
Moslems rail against what they perceive is religious intolerance against them, but how many so-called moderate Moslems condemned Hamas’s airing of a children program in which someone dressed in a Mickey Mouse suit encouraged children to kill Jews. In almost every Moslem country, especially Egypt, Syria, and of course Iran the clerics preach hatred not only against the Jews but also against Christians.
Yes, this is America and yes there is a First Amendment, but no private citizen
is obliged to defend Moslems. In America, Free Speech allows us to choose our battles. And I choose to battle for the rights of Sudanese Christians persecuted by Moslems and to battle
for the right of Israel to exist against the Moslem extremists who have vowed to destroy it.
By Axel Ztangi, August 22, 2010 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment
Campaign for a Museum of Marxism on Wall Street
Today we begin our fundraising campaign for a long over due tribute to the world-class economic insights of Karl Marx.
The proposed Museum of Marxism will be an interactive center like the Tech Museum of San Francisco.
Visitors will be able to walk through the Hall of Materialism and see large screen displays of the history of labor’s struggle for a democratic society.
Teens can enter the Child Labor Chamber of Horrors for a scary view of the past (and future?)
Children will be able to explore the Labor Theory of Value in a large gym-like room.
The Arcade of Casino Capitalism will provide fun for all - like the “Bounce the Broker” where visitors guess how high cash-bloated Wall Street denizens will travel when dropped from various Dow Jones Indices.
Daily lectures by a host of Marxist luminaries, radical films, music, theater and dance events round out the experience.
Soon we will roll out our website and mass media campaign.
Watch for it.
Report thisBy samosamo, August 22, 2010 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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What a crock. This dialog going on without knowing who really
attacked america on 9/11/2001. Goes more towards the
implication that a bunch of arab muslims(mostly saudi arabians)
with a few other nationals involved than trying to get to the
bottom of who really attacked america.
So, by debating whether a mosque or community center be
allowed construction nearby, it does more to promote the idea of
islam being responsible while the real perpetrators still walk the
streets of america.
Thus the consequences of NOT thoroughly investigating 9/11.
No religious group should be allowed to build anywhere near
Report thisground zero.
By rainwave, August 21, 2010 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment
I second Mary’s comments
The Shriners, Freemasons already have new world order- cross triangulation pentagrams-criss-crossing across ground zero and Washington. Oh yea, can’t forget the coming invasion of the Moors
Report thisBy mary bimala, August 20, 2010 at 10:17 pm Link to this comment
It - is - about Ground Zero. It’s symbolic.
It was no accident of public relations that “Córdoba Initiative” was chosen as
the title of the Ground Zero mosque project. The city of Córdoba was the
capital of al-Andalus, the Umayyad Caliphate in Iberia, and the famous
Córdoba Mosque was built atop the rubble of a destroyed church.
Peaceful conquest is a historical anomaly, however — from its inception until
its long decline began in 1683, Islam expanded solely through violence.
Wherever Islam expanded violently, it built mosques at the sites of its victories.
The minarets rose over the rubble of destroyed churches, synagogues, and
temples to stand as symbols of Islam’s conquest of the kuffar. The Córdoba
Mosque was an architectural announcement of the Moorish triumph over
Christian Iberia.
The Córdoba Initiative thus provides an obvious historical analogy to the
Islamic victory on September 11th, 2001, at Ground Zero. The significance of
the name and place will not be lost on any educated Muslim who hears about
the project.
What has NOT been revealed is the source of funding for construction. What
also has not been revealed are the parameters of the Shariah Index Initiative.
The Ground Zero Mosque has at least 6 mystery floors. We suggest that they’ll
be used by the Shariah Index Project.
The Shariah Index Project was built by at least 14 Shariah experts. We have the
identities probably of 7 of them, and Rauf should reveal the other 7 right away.
The Shariah Index Project generated at least 16 documents and maybe a final
book, and Rauf should release all of these – right away.
The issues at stake in the Ground Zero Mosque and the Shariah Index Project
are not about Americans supporting the Constitution’s protection of religious
freedom. Americans support that protection.
The issues at stake here are about Americans protecting the Constitution from
Report thisShariah-adherent groups using the protective guise of religious freedom to
attack the Constitution itself – using a triumphal Ground Zero mosque as “the
base” for a project to institutionalize Shariah in America.
By markpkessinger, August 20, 2010 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment
Those who think they have something to gain politically by opposing the mosque, as well as those who simply don’t have the kind of first-hand knowledge of the area of the proposed center, would have you believe that the proposed Islamic Cultural Center will tower triumphantly over Ground Zero. I know the block well where the Islamic Cultural Center is to be built. Yes, it’s downtown, and yes, it’s “near” the Ground Zero site in terms of geographical proximity on a map. But in the context of the dense urban landscape that is lower Manhattan, two blocks might as well be twenty. And the site for the Islamic Cultural Center is rather obscure relative to the World Trade Center site. To help folks see what I’m talking about, and hopefully in the interest of adding a measure of rationality in the ongoing debate, the other day I created a video slide show, using Google Maps’ “Street View” feature. It’s an annotated, virtual walk around the block from 45 Park Place, the site of the proposed center. It gives viewers a sense of the reality of the location, as one experiences it as street level, and show just how out-of-the-way the site is relative to the World Trade Center. The link to the video is:
Report thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6cpEAvvYB4 .
By Peter Knopfler, August 20, 2010 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment
Islam does nothing without historical intent, consequences. Cordoba because that was first Mosque in S.Spain and from that initial Mosque in Cordoba, Islam took over SPAIN. Know your Islam history, Like Fort Hood ALLAH AKBAR,9-11 Allah Akbar, yes it is where religion and State are ONE! The Supreme being will Rule. FOLLOW the MONEY. That Location has already been used this past year as a Mosque, hidden in the BLD. No reason for another Mosque, why can`t we learn from other countries who are having problems with Islam-Muslims, England, France, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Holland, Sweden-that is Europe, Australia, Philipines, China, Indonesia, are also having problems with Islam and it all starts from the MOSQUE, Africaq another Problem, WOW now the USA TOO! Its a no brainer, NO MOSQUE!
Report thisBy Blackspeare, August 20, 2010 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment
Cordoba initiative’s claim that they want to build a cultural center to promote cultural awareness and harmony between Islam and the west seem hollow. The entire project smells of triumphalism. Why on the site of a building damaged in 911 attack and why the name Cordoba House? Why is the name of a Spanish city so important at this location. This location is important for Islamists as it will in times to come to be a symbol of Islamists’ first attack on America. The name Cordoba is important because it was not only the capital of first Islamic rule in the West but also the seat of first Islamic caliphate in the west.
The spiritual father of Pakistan and a poet, Allama Iqbal made a special trip to Spain in 1931 and visited Cordoba and even though offering prayers at the site of Cordoba mosque were prohibited—he offered namaz there and wrote a poem Masjid-e-Qurtuba. In it he wrote:
“Sacred for lovers of art, thou art the glory of faith,
Thou hast made Andalusia pure as a holy land.”
For devout and historically conscious Muslims—Cordoba mosque is a holy site. The significance of naming it Cordoba house are self evident.
As far as promoting cultural awareness—it can be created through 3000 other mosques that are already in the US. What would a mosque at ground zero do that 3000 other mosques cannot do? New York is a living testimony to religious tolerance—it does need lessons in that. If they want to promote and teach religious tolerance they should open churches and temples in Saudi Arabia.
Report this