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Iran, the U.S. and Israel: Blind Man’s Bluff

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Posted on Jan 16, 2012
AP / Iranian Students News Agency, Mehdi Ghasemi

The shrouded body of Iranian nuclear scientist Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, killed Jan. 11 in a brazen daylight assassination, is seen before burial in Tehran on Jan. 13.

By Barry Lando

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We also reported on some of the classified U.S. government documents divulged by the Iranians who had taken over the American Embassy. Those documents showed that American diplomats based in Tehran had warned Washington months earlier of the threat of a possible hostage taking—particularly if the U.S. allowed the despised shah to come to America for medical treatment, as the U.S. ultimately did. Those warnings had been completely ignored by Washington.

In return for releasing the hostages, what the Iranian government of President Abulhassan Banisadr was demanding was a pledge by the U.S. not to interfere in the future affairs of Iran and an agreement not to block its efforts to arrest the shah and get back the wealth of Iran he had embezzled. They also wanted an admission by the U.S. of past wrongs. In light of that past, we asked, were those demands so outrageous?

In the context of America’s superheated passions at the time, however, even posing that question was considered outrageous.

Over the next few days, as we were preparing the report, we received calls from many Washington officials concerned about the broadcast. This was capped by President Jimmy Carter himself, who called Bill Leonard, the president of CBS News, to try to persuade him to not broadcast the report. It would, he said, undermine U.S. negotiations with Iran at a very delicate time.

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To his credit, Leonard refused to back down. The only thing he requested of us was that we change the title of our report from “Should the U.S. Apologize?”  to a more neutral “The Iran File.”

When questioned by Leonard, we argued that it was difficult to understand how our report could upset the hostage negotiations. We were not revealing any secrets to Iran. The Iranians already knew well the role of the U.S. in their own history. The people we were informing were our 20 million American viewers—who didn’t understand what was really roiling Iran.

And still don’t.


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By prosefights, January 23, 2012 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

Monday January 22, 2012 20:26

Email to Francona under consideration.

We would like your commentary about what happened and all circumstances

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January 10, 2012

Whatever the reason, the American Administration is finally enacting the crippling sanctions we have been waiting for, and a senior official - the one who runs the armed forces - has made the declaration that we will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.

http://francona.blogspot.com/2012/01/obama-administration-and-iran-infusion.html

Francona is liberal arts ‘educated’ at Chapman college.

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By prosefights, January 23, 2012 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

Rick Francona: ALLY TO ADVERSARY.

http://www.francona.com

Subject: US support to Iraq in 1980s
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:29:03 -0700
From: “Ally to Adversary” .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
To: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Read with interest your article on NSA, Crypto AG, and Iraq. I was part of the operation that supplied information to Iraq in 1988. While in the field with the Iraqi Army, I saw the Crypto AG machines in use. I cover some of these events in my book. Rick Francona—Ally to Adversary - An Eyewitness Account of Iraq’s Fall from Grace by Rick Francona [Kalliste is J Orline Grabbe]

http://orlingrabbe.com/speccoll.htm

J Orlin Grabbe forwarded email.

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 23, 2012 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

Free education, for enlightened people only, who are concerned with the truth and their homeland!

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/01/22/extremism-in-defense-of-israel/

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By heterochromatic, January 22, 2012 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

What I said was that we didn’t mount a coup, you don’t know whose idea a coup
might have been, and we had no reason why we SHOULDN’T have considered
using force against Iran in 1980.


AND STILL. we didn’t so who gives a crap if Brzezinski talked to somebody?

I do believe that talking is not only a common practice but also pretty much legal.

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By prosefights, January 22, 2012 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

“You don’t know what really transpired and you do know that there wasn’t any coup.”

What are you trying to say?

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By heterochromatic, January 22, 2012 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment

prose~~~ This is about the fifth time that if seen that thing and still don’t know
why anyone thinks it means anything. 

You don’t know what really transpired and you do know that there wasn’t any
coup.


Even had we, ourselves, attacked Iran in 1980 , we would have been justified in
doing it…..but we didn’t and there was no coup.


what’s the significance of a discussion?

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By prosefights, January 22, 2012 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

“if he despised Iran so much and worried about its influence in the Middle East, would have removed Saddam Hussein and destroyed Iraq, the only real opposition in the area to Iran.”

Perhaps this is the reason?

Nojeh Coup

In July 1980, Zbigniew Brzezinski of the United States met Jordan’s King Hussein in Amman to discuss detailed plans for Saddam Hussein to sponsor a coup in Iran against Khomeini. King Hussein was Saddam’s closest confidant in the Arab world, and served as an intermediary during the planning. The Iraqi invasion of Iran would be launched under the pretext of a call for aid from Iranian loyalist officers plotting their own uprising on July 9, 1980 (codenamed Nojeh, after Shahrokhi/Nojeh air base in Hamedan). The Iranian officers were organized by Shapour Bakhtiar, who had fled to France when Khomeini seized power, but was operating from Baghdad and Sulimaniyah at the time of Brzezinski’s meeting with Hussein. However, Khomeinilearned of the Nojeh Coup plan from Soviet agents in France and Latin America. Shortly after Brzezinski’s meeting with Hussein, the President of Iran, Abolhassan Bani-Sadr quietly rounded up 600 of the loyalist plotters within Iran, putting an effective end to the Nojeh Coup. Saddam decided to invade without the Iranian officers’ assistance, beginning the Iran-Iraq war on 22 September 1980.

http://www.prosefights.org/whitmancrocker/whitmancrocker.htm#grabbe

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By Archie1954, January 20, 2012 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment
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Reading all these comments above makes me wonder why Bush, if he despised Iran so much and worried about its influence in the Middle East, would have removed Saddam Hussein and destroyed Iraq, the only real opposition in the area to Iran. Of course I wasn’t considering his total incompetence and the equally great incompetence of his Republican Congress.

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By Leefeller, January 20, 2012 at 7:24 am Link to this comment

Conflict over differences is nothing new and seems to be a human trait gong back to caveman who wanted to have someone else s larger more comfortable cave and had a fancy for another s mate.

Since I detest war and war mongering, it seems our nation just as Israel and Iran, as just about the whole middle east create tensions to keep the people, the masses, the 99 percent off their balance by utilizing manipulations to foster and build up something called hate.

History shows the way and is always ignored by those in power, because then those in power would be forced to focus and acknowledge facts and truth! 

The back and forth between differences has always been and will always be, unless people of power loose petty differences made to order and savor hate, I do not see World peace ever happening. Hell just listen to the Repulcians?

WWII may have been the last time hate was defeated bluntly by war and supposedly god supported all sides until god chose the looser and winner?

Nothing new, it goes on!

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By drbhelthi, January 20, 2012 at 4:15 am Link to this comment

“prose—- perhaps you could outline the settlement with Iran that might satisfy
both ourselves and the Iranian govt.”  heterochromatic

Right.  Try to dump responsibility onto a bystander and distract from the underlying
issue.  Similar to Oswald, 9/11, the Oklahoma City debacle, Libya, etc, etc, etc.

“ourselves” are obviously being wagged by the Zionists of Israel, who want to retain
their nuclear superiority in the Mid East, backed up by the Israeli Zionists in the USGOV.  Israel, the only identified land-mass with 120 nuke weapons and two nuke facilities, not inspected by the IAEC. 

Thus, “ourselves” will settle only for the type of stupid action that the almost Frenchman, Sarkozy, led against Libya.  Sarkozy, who insulted the Folk of France, by puppeting for the GHWBushSr entourage/NATO, and destroying Libya. Libya, with the highest standard of living in Africa, attained by Gadhaffi via oil profits.

Muammar Al Gadhaffi, who was punished for revealing the dishonesty of the
GHWBushSr entourage and the USGOV.  Gadhaffi was not associated with the
destruction of the 747 over Lockerbie, blown up by the CIA.  The GHWBushSr entourage schemed his conviction and payment of damages for the incident, via bribery of witnesses.  A former operative of the CIA, a genuine lady American, who had the courage to publish the truth, Ms. Susan Lindauer.

Three cheers for Ms. Susan Lindauer, and a few more points for the ladies, for having the courage and honesty to reveal the truth to the world.  “Extreme Prejudice,” the terrifying story of the patriot act and the cover ups of 9/11 and Iraq.  Available through your local bookstore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgI1ztI3aT4

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By Archie1954, January 19, 2012 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment
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Unfortunately Americans as a whole are wilfully ignorant. As a result of that belirf on their part that ignorance is bliss they must suffer the consequences of the horrible actions their country has taken against many poor but oil rich nations in the Middle East in particular but many other places also. These consequences included 911 which could have been stopped in its tracks if not for a total incompatent sitting in the Whitehouse. Regardless that horrific attack was a direct consequence of the many murders, covert wars, destruction of infrastructure and theft of natural resources over the years that the US has visited upon these poor countries. Why was the US government able to do all these things? Because Americans are too stupid or to lazy to cure their own gross ignorance.

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By heterochromatic, January 19, 2012 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

prose—- perhaps you could outline the settlement with Iran that might satisfy
both ourselves and the Iranian govt.

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By prosefights, January 19, 2012 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

VIDEO: Zbigniew Brzezinski: An Israeli Attack on Iran Would be a Disaster

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=17026&context=va

Settlement with Iran, we continue suggest for twenty years, would be a far better idea.

http://www.prosefights.org/whitmancrocker/whitmancrocker.htm#grabbe

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By balkas, January 19, 2012 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

can one elicit [educe] knowledge from defining nazism, socialism, communism,
asocialism [personal supremacism], catholicism, mormonism, lutheranism,
judaism, zionism, leberalism, libertarianism, americanism [a brach of nazism]?
or is it a fact that we could gather knowledge of ALL ISMS ONLY BY
ACCURATELY/ADEQUATELY describing what they do and positing and/or
postulating causative factors for what all isms do and their respective final
solutions?

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By drbhelthi, January 19, 2012 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

@vector56
It might help if you describe the characteristics of the political group you intended with the words, the left.
The titles, extreme left, left, liberals, contemporaries, politically constipated,
progressives, the right, extreme right all seem to take on the meaning in the thoughts of the persons at the moment of usage of these terms.  It has become quite confusing.
However, the NAZI following, as described at the following link, fits only the NAZI
category, and should be defined as such, not as the extreme right, or any category
other than NAZI.  While the Republican Party may have been overtaken by the
GHWBushSr entourage, NAZI behavior is still NAZI behavior as displayed by Adolf
Hitler. E.g. the Patriot Act (s) and insulting the USConstitution via “executive directive” = Bush/Obama.
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8252175042329977626#

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By vector56, January 19, 2012 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Isn’t it time the left went “Rogue” and start “speaking truth to power?”

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By vector56, January 19, 2012 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

Thank guys for defusing my built up anger after reading this amateurish piece of propaganda. When I consider what we have done to Iran from Mossadegh to installing the Shah twice; using Saddam to kill a million of their citizens; shooting down their civilian airliner killing 250 plus; and even today arming known “terrorist” groups within their country; killing their scientist with car bombs…..

At what point will the thugs stop pretending this is a contest among equals?

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By Leefeller, January 19, 2012 at 7:17 am Link to this comment

All the intrigue and drama which appears when the name Israel pops up on a thread or article here on TD, shows only one thing, it hits the sweet spot on some people, I see Robert is back!.... (Hi Robert!)

If one observes the alleged Republican Presidential Debates, the ignorant applause in response to hawkish sentiments shows a deluded, disturbing and sick society,  just as the insults to minorities and the middle class!

Sadly Obama is a lot more hawkish than I prefer, but I am not people nor do not have money which is speech to buy my politician!

I am and have been embarrassed for some time now, to call myself a US citizen, If I had my druthers I would be Canadian, (maybe if I had been smarter when younger instead of gong to Vietnam?) but am now well established in me destitution and poverty right here in USA as part of the trapped 99 percent, must say I find it is sort of like Atheism in the sense, it pleases me to know I am not alone in my opinions!

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By drbhelthi, January 19, 2012 at 2:26 am Link to this comment

“Sincerely, I’m sorry…. and accept my wishes for your future health and
happiness.”  heterochromatic

Written in the consistent, deceitful character of a typical israeli infiltrator.  Such as
the ones who offered JFKSr total financial support if he permitted them to decide
policy toward Israel. “Gideon´s Spies,” pp 90-94. 

Agreed.  You are “sorry,” but not as intended as a deceitful apology.

Interesting how you omit reference to the 120 Nuclear Weapons and the two nuclear
facilities of Israel, which have never been inspected by the IAEC.  Your Israeli-type
denial of such reality is reflected in your pukes into Truthdig,  Which fraudulent
comments have been recognized and mentioned by Truthdig contributers. 

Of course, one does not understand spoken Russian without possessing facility with
the basics of the Russian language.  Nor does one comprehend the concept of
inter-terrestrials on earth without the required basis of information.  Nor, can anyone
accept the information without an adequate measure of open-mindedness.  The
former chief of the Skunk Works, as with many others, however, just prior to his
death, Ben Rich revealed secret information about inter-terrestrials & the USGOV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7ahst8TMww

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By Robert, January 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

Israeli drones are reported spying on Turkey for the Kurdish group PKK


17 January 2012


“According to reports by Turkish intelligence agencies, Heron unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) operated by Israel that have been observed in Hatay and Adana provinces in recent months spied for the terrorist Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK).

Turkish intelligence agencies prepared a report after the detection of two Israeli Herons in Hatay and Adana roughly two months ago, claiming that the Herons are collecting intelligence on Turkish military units in order to aid PKK operations in those regions.

The report asserts that the PKK’s training camps in northern Syria, near Turkey’s Hatay border “where Turkish military border posts are relatively weak” were established in those locations based on intelligence collected by the UAVs.

The report also claims that Kenan Y?ld?zbakan, a PKK member who commanded an assault against a Turkish naval base in ?skenderun in 2010, has made repeated trips into Israeli territory, reinforcing suspicions of a possible link between Israeli and the PKK.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hey IMax...How is that Go Right Young Man (GRYM) doing? Have you seen him lately? Hmmm…your ways & trails are transparent!


@@@@@

Click on link for more details regarding Israel’s drones/spying:

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-268815-.html

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 18, 2012 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

Two pieces of news today serve as indicative of how bad are things in these so-called great democratic America:

1. There were 19 thousand rapes or attempted rapes in the USA army in 2011. This does not include the many other thousands that went unreported.

2. According to Frommers.com, a travel guide, number one best world’s airports went to King Abdul Aziz International Airport, in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, whereas only one airport terminal at JFK ranked among the top ten.

This information was reported today in US Today.
This happening while the USA political-military establishment are focusing on drumming for a new war with Iran, mostly on behalf of terrorist Zionist Israel!

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By heterochromatic, January 18, 2012 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

drb—my apologies for laughing at all the crazy
things that you write.

had I realized that you believe that the internet
holds proof of the reality of extraterrestrials among
us and that the US govt was assassinating people to
obscure that presence, then I would have understood
that you actually are a delusional psychotic and
would not have laughed at you.

Sincerely, I’m sorry…. and accept my wishes for
your future health and happiness.

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By drbhelthi, January 18, 2012 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

In his overview and summary, „Need To Know“, Timothy Good arranges information about UFOs, and Interrestrials, in a manner that pieces the scene together in a logical manner.  That the USGOV has deceived Americans and the world on this issue since WWII is clarified.  That interrestrial beings have walked among us for thousands of years is verified in paintings and writings.  A few insiders have revealed information about them and the USGOV cover-up for which their lives were taken. 

For those who do not care to read Timothy Good´s astounding compilation, a brief overview of related topics is presented in the video made by Philip Schneider before he was assassinated.  For the unacquainted the video is astounding.  For everyone, it is revealing.  For those who take the time to view it.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/70569/Philip_Schneider___Lecture_That_Got_Him_Killed_pt2/

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By drbhelthi, January 18, 2012 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

“How does that work for you, cause on this planet your conclusion is baseless and
absurd?”  hererochromatic

Right.
On your planet.
Dangling in future annihilation.
Ignoring reality and factuality.
Supporting a despotic oligarchy.
Preparing to annihilate mankind in support of Adolf´s alleged “Aryans”.
Which system did you come from ?  Plz go back.  Immediately.

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By litlpeep, January 18, 2012 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

So, uhm, why should we not prepare ourselves for all three of these ghastly global health destroying children falling to their knees, and then celebrate our wisdom for having prepared for the moment (or those two or three or five hundred moments)?

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By Satirist1, January 18, 2012 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

The ones playing Blindman’s Bluff are the ones myopically adhering to the hopelessly outdated lib narrative while completely ignoring the larger context— especially E.U.‘s and Arab states opposition to Iranian powerplays.

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By heterochromatic, January 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

drb——I say something about the 53 coup in Iran—-and
from that you conclude that I’ve indicated approval for
things that Israel might have done in a different time
and place.

How does that work for you, cause on this planet your
conclusion is baseless and absurd?

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By balkas, January 18, 2012 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

let’s not pick on only anglosaxons for a phenomenon known as racism and its two evil offsprings; aka, meritocracy and discrimination.
it existed even in ancient egypt; later in greece, rome, persia and thruout much of the world [save, i think, in americas until just two centuries
ago—and even today in some parts of it.
as far as i had been able to ascertain, nearly all [or possibly all] european lands and empires had been—and still are at least in kind if not in
same degree- not only racist but genocidally so.
we’ve witnessed just 70 years ago nazism in almost all european lands. and in 90s we saw the same genocidal nazism in bosnia and kosovo.
save a few lands, entire europe and ALL LEFTISTS and most rightists have heaped the blame on the victims of serb genocidal impulse and
even imposed an arms embargo on much less armed bosniaks and croats in order that serbs realize their dream of a greater serbia or
maintain a serb-dominated yugoslavia.
===
but even islam, judaism, and christianity appear as intolerant, antilife, antihuman, meritocratic, discriminatory, bellicose as any nazism.
sorry to note that not a single islamist has to date, as far as i know, condemned arab imperialism and spread of islam via sword nor arab
ruling classes for oppression of their women and people of low classes.. in some arab lands, the best thieves still cut the hand of the smallest
or most stupid thieves.
in ‘goodoldusa’, they only incarcerate the worst and stupidest thieves. but wait, who knows? thanks
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correction: i think that it actually had been meritocracy from which emanated both the racism and discrimination and not the other way
around.

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By drbhelthi, January 18, 2012 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

“- the Dulles brothers shameful support for the toppling of Mossadegh in 53 nor the the gross illegality and barbarity of Khomeini’s regime are but background noise to what is going down at present.”  heterochromatic

Obviously, you are relating to Israel´s bludgeoning of Palestinians and the destruction-colonization of 3rd world countries by the despots manipulating the USMilitary.

With its allies, Iran needs no nuke weapons, and has none.  Why ask the IAEC to
inspect something that does not exist?
Rather, inspect Israel with its 120 nuke weapons, as are all other identified land-
masses who have them in a weapons arsenal, inspected.

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 18, 2012 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, January 18 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

France is not Amglo-Saxon, kid. and neither are the Saudis and the other GCC
countries.


you’re a mess.
===================================================
When you learn how to spell, how to write coherently, how to make inferences, and how to be minimally informed about geopolitics, you might be allowed to respond to my coherent, educated, facts-based comments!

You have a knee-jerk compulsive disorder to say the least! And I know now that the Arabian Sinbad words had gotten deeply under your thick filthy skin!

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By heterochromatic, January 18, 2012 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

France is not Amglo-Saxon, kid. and neither are the Saudis and the other GCC
countries.


you’re a mess.

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 18, 2012 at 6:57 am Link to this comment

When the fucken bloody political world of the Anglo-Saxons stop their split vision, double standard and shameful hypocrisy in succumbing to the whims of Zionism and the dangerous behavior of the illegitimate spoiled child they begotten and planted in the heart of the area, known as Israel, then the world would have a real chance of witnessing peace.

It behooves the irrational Anglo-Saxon world to sum up some courage, independence and basic reasoning to focus on dismantling the nuclear arsenal of terrorist Israel, that owns an estimated 200-400 nuclear warheads, along with dismantling their own weapons of mass destruction, and stop at the same time their saber rattling against Iran who is only accused and suspected of developing a nuclear weapon. 

No wonder then that two years in a row a popular world opinion poll placed the USA and Israel as the top two entities which pose the greatest threat to world peace.

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By they call me the working man, January 18, 2012 at 2:52 am Link to this comment

Iran using oil money to fund a nuclear program.

Fossil fuels are cheap…

Tornado damage in Ohio and the grass is green during what would normally be the deepest depth of winter.

Fossil fuels are cheap…

Hydrofracking is poisoning our water and causing earthquakes.

Fossil fuels are cheap… Fossil fuels are cheap…

But Al Gore has a big house!

Oh, alright then, nevermind.

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By heterochromatic, January 18, 2012 at 12:26 am Link to this comment

the history isn’t going to matter. the Dulles brothers shameful support for the
toppling of Mossadegh in 53 nor the the gross illegality and barbarity of
Khomeini’s regime are but background noise to what is going down at present.

this ends either with Iran accepting real oversight of its nuclear programs from the
IAEA, which Iran finds insulting with fair reason….or it ends much, much worse
with the Iranian theocracy either economically throttled or the regime removed at
great cost.

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By artofthefirstpeople, January 17, 2012 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment

drbhelth - thank you for your three links. They give gravity to this article and confirm my own research, sadly enough!!

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By Aarky, January 17, 2012 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment
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All the sanctions, embargoes, anti missiles in Europe and the saber rattling are all based on the grand lie that Iran is building a nuclear bomb. The recent BS that Israel is strutting around and challlenging the US with, “Hold us back, we are going to bomb Iran any time”. The US jumps feet first into the fray with our stupid statements about “crossing the red line” and “all options are on the table”. The Russians could stop this BS in a couple weeks by providing Iran with the S-300 and S-400 defensive ant-aircraft missiles that they want. All that Israeli bombast and bravado would tone down real quick. As far as the embargo against Iranian oil, the pushback has already started. China and Korea have said NO; the EU has already voted to delay the embargo for six months. Japan has said we will try, but they say the same thing about whale hunting. The Zionist zealots at State and Treasury are in a tizzy. Einhorn is off to Korea to try to arm twist them. The Pakis rebuffed the US on a natural gas pipline from Iran. Life is getting harder for the US when everyone realizes they are shilling for Israel.

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By Oceanna, January 17, 2012 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

I’d say the kids playing around with volatile chemicals pertains more to Syria. 
Their revolution fomenting within and on the Jordanian border threatens a lot
more than Syria.  FWIW.

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By Nick B., January 17, 2012 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment
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One problem: Lando is wrong when he says that the following is a “caricature” of the US: “the grasping imperialists in Washington, who for decades have used the CIA and the American military to put down movements of national liberation, sustain the Zionist state of Israel and the corrupt oil-rich Arab dictators.”

It is not a caricature. It is a simple statement of fact. The political class and intelligentsia know better but of course they’re all hypocrites and liars. Shame on you Mr. Lando for distorting the truth.

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By balkas, January 17, 2012 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

i suggest israel is a gone country; even if it nukes or starts bombing iran. if nukes are chosen, it’ll be a
gonner much sooner. may be also all of us would be gone as well; to the delight of most christians. i
am not sure how islamists and talmudniks stand on that wish!
of course, nuking iran may cause a wider nuclear war. nuking iran would elicit the question by many
lands, Who’s next?
but even an open war against and/or invasion of iran would not end the conflict between godogists
[islamic, christian, and mosheic] or world supremacists [fascists, nazis] and most iranians.
it would most likely cause lot of suffering, [as in vietnam, korea, cuba, but not change the ideology]
destruction, anger, hate, bloodshed, starvation] but would not change iranian ideology; its religious
‘science’, etc.
so, world supremacists are reduced to just making threats; imposing sanctions; demonizing iranian
govts and/or governance; aiding insurgents or some individuals inside the country.
i’v long ago concluded that the supremacists would not dare invade iran. iran is also a multi-ethnic
country, but the hatred between ethnics in iraq is nowhere near to that of iranian ethnic groups hate
for one another.

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By balkas, January 17, 2012 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

any country or any individual could be dealt with as the indigenes of n. america have been dealt with.
all they’d have to do is to oppose or even just try to prevent an americanization of daily living in their
own country or even own household, neighborhood, region, etc.
true, i do not approve of any theocratic rule, but it is entirely up to iranians to try to destroy it;
however, i strongly suggest only by a politioco-educational methodology.
‘jews’, on the other hand, overwhelmingly accept as true and valid for all times—what i call—personal
supremacism and which american ‘intelligentsia’ or ‘elite’ had by now honed to almost perfection.
under shah pahlevi—and thus living under forever a supremacist ideology in which, say, 0001 to 2% of
iranian pop would rule with an iran fist- iran was a friend of usa, and europe.

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By drbhelthi, January 17, 2012 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

” - - unlike some people who love to make stuff up and omit things called facts on purpose or they just happens to be completely deluded!” Leefeller

Agreed.

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By Leefeller, January 17, 2012 at 9:59 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi, sarcasim sometimes requires omitting a few things, otherwise it would not be sarcasim,.... unlike some people who love to make stuff up and omit things called facts on purpose or they just happens to be completely deluded!

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By drbhelthi, January 17, 2012 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

@Leefeller, January 17 at 07:51

“The only thing to do is go in and beat the crap out of Iran like the USA did to Japan and Germany so there may finally be peace to follow - - .”

In addition to being incredibly simplistic, your comment omits a few rather significant facts.  Two of which are, the USA was not alone in WWII, and you omit all the wars from
Korea to the current wars being conducted by the oligarchic despots in control of the USMilitary.  You also overlook Operation Paper Clip and subsequent events that have shaped the USGOV since 1945.

Whatever altruism the US forces demonstrated in WWII has long since been eradicated by the industrial military complex in the USA and Israel.  Perhaps, more accurately stated, Israel and the USA, since the end of WWII.  Israel, with between 120 and 200 nuclear weapons.  Israel, the only clearly identified land-mass with nuclear weapons that is not inspected by the IAEC. 

The organization and presentation of information in “Need to Know,” by Timothy Good, provides a gist of what/who is behind the genocide of the human race that has been accelerating since the days of Adolf and his alleged “Aryans”.

“Our allies” in WWII seem to be preparing to defend themselves against the oligarchic despots that manipulate all authority in the US excepting the Federal Reserve and the world banking system.  Which is controlled by Israel.  And you want to attack Iran ?

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By Leefeller, January 17, 2012 at 8:51 am Link to this comment

‘Blind Mans Bluff’ is a fair analogy with our interaction towards Iran, but I prefer calling it ‘chicken’, like in Robert Mictchims 1958 movie ‘Thunder Road’ without the mirror!

The only thing to do is go in and beat the crap out of Iran like the USA did to Japan and Germany so there may finally be peace to follow and only then would Iran become a good friend and another one of our allies instead of a constant pain in the ass.

Seems to me if we went to war with Iran and happened to not win, the only difference would be having to pray several times a day and become Muslims listening to their harry ass crap, instead of what we have now with the separation of church and state evangelicals, who are peeing in the paints for the Apocalypse to hurry up and happen!

Allies are great!

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By IMax, January 17, 2012 at 6:18 am Link to this comment

Arabian Sinbad,

YouTube freezes PMW account
Mufti calls for death of all Jews.

In response to yesterday’s PMW video-bulletin which showed the PA Mufti’s speech that Muslims’ destiny is to kill Jews, YouTube has frozen PMW’s account. All PMW videos are working except this one but the account is frozen and PMW cannot upload new videos for the next two weeks.

PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein comes to the podium and says:
“47 years ago the [Fatah] revolution started. Which revolution? The modern revolution of the Palestinian people’s history. In fact, Palestine in its entirety is a revolution, since [Caliph] Umar came [to conquer Jerusalem, 637 CE], and continuing today, and until the End of Days. The reliable Hadith (tradition attributed to Muhammad), [found] in the two reliable collections, Bukhari and Muslim, says:  “The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews.  The Jew will hide behind stones or trees.  Then the stones or trees will call:  ‘Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’ Except the Gharqad tree [which will keep silent].”
Therefore it is no wonder that you see Gharqad [trees] surrounding the [Israeli] settlements and colonies..

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By drbhelthi, January 17, 2012 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

@thecrow

Marvelous link.
Marvelous compilation of factual information.
Marvelously stupid apologetics by the USGOV.
Marvelous distraction from israeli culpability.

- the Taz Delaney comment: “- - at one point we had at least 7 kids under torture at
gitmo who were disappeared there at ages 11-12, many more therein who were
kidnapped when 14-17. i can only hope that one of these days those kids and their
families and friends get the revenge they so richly deserve. but what would suffice?
take out the pentagon, capitol hill, white house, CIA, NSA? a good start.”

The comment reminds me of a spontaneous comment made by a female agent about 1979, to the effect that Russia would do the world a favor by lobbing a 6-meg onto the pentagon.  In spite of my mixed feelings, the comment contains logic, and it might have helped the world back then.

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By thecrow, January 17, 2012 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

See no, hear no, speak no…

Three monkeys and a truck:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/movers-and-shakers/

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By drbhelthi, January 17, 2012 at 5:26 am Link to this comment

Who is confused ?  Who is blind ?  Who is bluffing ?
Certainly not the leadership of Russia, China, Syria, Iran and a few other countries who have reviewed the history of the WWII NAZI clan & the USGOV since 1945.

Genius intelligence is not required of Iran´s leadership in order to anticipate the plans of “beings” in control of the USGOV, which controls NATO, which is controlled by the GHWBushSr entourage, which evolved from Hitler´s WWII NAZI entourage. 
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8252175042329977626#

Which entourage has overtaken the USGOV since sneaking 10,000 NAZI-types into the U.S.A. via Operation Paper Clip, 1945-1950.  Which clan has used essentially the C.I.A. to devastate the 3rd world and infiltrate governments of the western world. Which clan,
since 9-11, has increasingly adopted the Israeli MOSSAD into its covert operations.  For example, the three Iranian scientists recently murdered by the MOSSAD.  Or, has the israeli leadership subverted the GHWBushSr entourage with the CIA/FBI to its authority ?

An excellent summary of what is forecast for Iran and the foolish leadership of any country that turns its identity over to the USGOV, e.g. Sarkozy´s insult to the Folk of France, who are in the process of divesting themselves of this showman with
wife-puppet, is clearly demonstrated by the “cartoon” of Mr. Fish.  http://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/mr-fish-boo-hoo/

Except in the case of Muammar Al Gadhaffi, who was murdered for revealing the
deceit of the GHWBushSr entourage, as revealed by an honest, former C.I.A.
operative, Ms. Susan Lindauer.  Chalk up another point for the ladies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJTwbHdH6k&feature=related

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By xrm, January 17, 2012 at 3:45 am Link to this comment

A video I made to try and sum up the state of the world and America’s disconnect
with reality:

Graffiti Philosophy

When I try to comment on the most recent Hedge’s article, I’m unable to do so because I get forcibly logged out for some unknown reason.

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By blogdog, January 17, 2012 at 1:32 am Link to this comment

Russia: “Should Anything Happen to Iran … This Will Be a Direct Threat to
Our National Security”

Posted on January 14, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog
http://tinyurl.com/77n72h5

Russia and China Would Consider An Attack On Iran – Or Syria – As An
Attack On Their National Security


The escalating conflict around Iran should be contained by common effort,
otherwise the promising Arab Spring will grow into a “scorching Arab Summer,”
says Dmitry Rogozin, Russia’s deputy prime minister and former envoy to
NATO.

“Iran is our close neighbor, just south of the Caucasus. Should anything happen
to Iran, should Iran get drawn into any political or military hardships, this will
be a direct threat to our national security,” stressed Rogozin.

Here’s what Rogozin is talking about (notice how close the Southern tip of
Russia is to Northern Iran):

A Chinese general has also allegedly said that China would launch World War III
if Iran is attacked. And see this.

While many Americans still believe that our government would not be crazy
enough to attack Iran, economic – not national security – considerations may
be driving the warmongers.

In addition, Iran and Syria have had a mutual defense pact for years. And China
and Russia might also defend Syria if it is attacked. So an attack on Syria could
draw Iran into the war … followed by China and Russia.

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By Arabian Sinbad, January 16, 2012 at 10:10 pm Link to this comment

Good article indeed! However, Barry Lando forgot to mention that during the time of the Shah, not only was the evil CIA involved in aiding the Shah suppress and brutalize his own people, but also terrorist Mossad of terrorist Israel had free hand inside Iran, training the dictator’s terrible SAVAK and providing the regime with know-how and weapons of mass-oppression, and giving terrorist Israel the status of the favorite trade partner with Iran. No wonder then that terrorist Israel was the biggest loser after the Iranian revolution, and that explains in large part their hatred for the post- Shah Iran.

Based on history records and based on current Israeli and American enmity and conspiracies against Iran, one can say that Iran is justified in reciprocating in kind with that hatred.

In light of this, Iran’s policies towards both Israel and the USA cannot be labeled as “blind man’s bluff.” On the the other hand, Israel and USA attitudes towards Iran can be justifiably described as “deaf, blind and dumb.”

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