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Internet Lies Meet the Armed and Unhinged

Posted on Jan 10, 2011
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As this image demonstrates, there is no shortage of misinformation and vitriol available online.

By Barry Lando

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Repeating these charges in the blog that was sent to me, the anonymous author called Soros “One Evil Son of Satan.”

And, he concluded, the words of Patrick Henry are apropos: “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”

After such rhetoric, why wouldn’t a gullible young patriot pick up his semiautomatic, write a Facebook farewell and head out to save his nation by blowing apart that Evil Son of Satan? Or better yet, one or more officials at the highest level of the federal government?

There are similar panicked calls for action in France, where political rhetoric is also roiling. The day after receiving the blog about Soros, I was forwarded another blog predicting an imminent “French revolution”—provoked by the inexorable flood of Muslims into the country.


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This from another very well-educated, sophisticated friend—a Paris resident who herself has long been convinced that the Muslims will in fact take over.

Source for that story? Supposedly a CNN report which I was never able to find. The facts given were wrong and the sites posting that blog were mainly right-wing backers of the virulently anti-immigrant Marie Le Penn.

Still, the statistics presented to prove a Muslim takeout appeared to be solid, accompanied by neat graphs demonstrating the soaring Muslim birthrate and the waning population of native French. Problem is these days it’s easy for anyone to make neat-looking graphs and PowerPoint presentations. And how do you argue with statistics? A birthrate is a birthrate is a birthrate.

In fact, the statistics were wildly inaccurate and out of context.

I know all this because I went to the trouble of checking the stories out. There are sites around like Snopes which make it their business to examine sensational charges. But most people, even if they’ve heard of such sites, don’t take the time to check. Life is too hectic. When they get a startling blog they read it, shake their head and, as often as not, send it on to friends. After all, if Steve Kroft of “60 Minutes” reported those facts about Soros, must be something to it. Twitter and Facebook and YouTube transform that process into a whirlwind.

And even if discredited once, the lies never disappear. A story shot down in 1998, as were the charges against Soros, can be revived by anyone, retrieved from their resting place on the Internet and sent coursing again around the globe, igniting the demented passions, perhaps, of yet other killers.

How are liberals to deal with this dilemma? Hope that the spewers of hate can be convinced to tone down their rhetoric?

They won’t.

So then what?

Barry M. Lando, a graduate of Harvard and Columbia University, spent 25 years as an award-winning investigative producer with “60 Minutes.” He has produced numerous articles, a documentary and a book, “Web of Deceit,” about Iraq. Lando is just finishing a novel, “The Shomer Dossier.”

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By Inherit The Wind, January 15, 2011 at 12:45 am Link to this comment

Actually, despite the names of the firms and a few prominent people, the Wall Street Bankers are mostly Gentile, and have been for 30 or more years. Remember: Goldman, Sachs saw the battle for control between Jon Corzine and Henry Paulson—Paulson won and Corzine went on to be Senator and Governor. Paulson was later Treasury Secretary. Neither is Jewish.  Corzine is United Church of Christ, Paulson, Christian Scientist.

Of course, the greatest of them all, who left SEVERAL banks with his name behind was the fine New Englander, John Pierpont Morgan, as in Morgan, Stanley and JP Morgan, and Morgan Guarantee Trust.  He created General Electric and United States Steel.

I can’t tell you how many Wall Street firms, big and small are run by people with names straight out of the Emerald Isle, but they far outnumber Jews.  Now even Asians are getting into it.

Yet, the myth and “code word” of “Wall Street Banker” persists meaning Jews….

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By I don't hate jews or palistinians, January 14, 2011 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment
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Hey wind
I knew Zionists were Jews but not the wall street bankers, thanks

I do know that if you ask the Israeli spokesman “did y’all use white phosphorus on those women and children” they get to hang up on you on c-span because saying y’all means your a bigot.
I guess I should of said “you Jews”, but to me that sounds worse.
They never did answer my question though

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By BR549, January 14, 2011 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

ChaviztaKing, January 14 at 11:18 pm
“From my own point of view US government is a lot more evil than Jared Loughner.”

I think we are on the same page (correct me if I’m mistaken), but I don’t think it is the FORM of government that is the problem, only the avaricious interlopers that have usurped it for their own purposes. It isn’t the entire legislature, but that is where these interlopers are hiding, supposedly under the guise of patriotic service to their country.

I love my country, I love the flag, and at least what it had once represented, but when I see hypocritical politicians hiding behind our flag as a lapel pin, the quality of the air starts to change.

I wouldn’t really care which party someone was from as long as they actually told the truth for once and tried to keep the public informed. Anyone working in that regard can only have a positive outcome, although some curmudgeons in Congress would make sure that person would have a small plane accident, even if he religiously took the train. It isn’t the government that is the problem; only a sizable number of corrupt people hiding within it.

Hope that makes my point.


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By ChaviztaKing, January 14, 2011 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

Do you guys think that Jared Loughner is the new Bin Laden of USA? Remember that US government always creates a bad wolf for the american dumb masses raped by SWAT TV series who have a good cop versus evil wolf world view.

From my own point of view US government is a lot more evil than Jared Loughner.


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By ChaviztaKing, January 14, 2011 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

Dear friends, i read something about cinema therapy, and the psychological, motivational effect of movies on people. And here is a very inspirational, motivational speech from the movie Independence Day with Will Smith and Bill Pullman. Very relevant for a divided USA, that needs to fight a common enemy. And that enemy is the 5% oligarchic ruling class, The Israeli Zionist Lobby, The Military Industrial Complex, and Wall Street Bankers.

It is time for all americans to put away their petty differences and to unite into a United Patriotic Front and to fight politically or even in a revolution against our common enemy which is the ruling capitalist elite, that are destroying us, and a threat to the world, with their imperialist dangerous wars. To declare our independence from the capitalist tyranny elites



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By Inherit The Wind, January 14, 2011 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

ChavezistaKing:  Does anybody notice that he sounds EXACTLY like the irresponsible, violence-encouraging Palinstas, just with a different agenda.

He doesn’t give a shit about the people who were killed and wounded.  Hell, the most prominent is a Jewish lady and he states that “zionists” (Jews), the MIC and “Wall Street Bankers” (code for more Jews) are the ENEMY of America.

So, in the wake of this terrorism what does he call for? Revolution, violence and more terrorism!

He’s no different than Sarah Palin.

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By BR549, January 13, 2011 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, it’s tough. Even in my state, I noticed conflicting data within the same year. The researchers each want to evaluate the data on their own parameters.

Let’s face it, cities have been tough to manage and, over the last 100 years, those “influencing” city hall have rarely said, “Gee, I think we should turn this section back into farmland and get the people reacquainted with the soil.” Instead, it’s been more like, “My kid’s college education seems to be more expensive than I thought.” ..... [long silence as the hand is held palm upward] ..... and then it’s “I see your point, Mr. Soandso, that section of town really does need ANOTHER apartment building.”

The cities become havens for violence just as they have become concentrated wealth opportunities for those with “more foresight”. Cities are only going to curtail violence if there is opportunity for those committing it to do something more engaging. When a honest man can find work and he has a family to support, sooner or later he’s no longer an honest man. Who do you blame? We are all guilty if even one person is the victim of violence.

Factors such as the crime rates relative to the stock market, our involvement in the wars, the mortgage rates, there are all these little obscure factors that all add up to the larger picture. We can’t say that guns kill people, but when people resort to guns, the outcomes tend to be more lethal.

What then of auto accidents? I’ve been waiting for decades for them to roll back the speed limits. Thank God I wasn’t holding my breath. Instead of using all those technological advancements to make more efficient smaller engines, we’re nearly back to where we were in the early ‘60s. The CAFE stats are a joke. We’ve had the technology for decades to get 70 mpg and yet we’ve been forced to wait until the oil companies can reposition themselves to invest in the next energy source. How many deaths have resulted from this myopia?

The point is that violence is violence and THAT is the demon we have to address. Whether it’s through guns or knives, cars or baseball bats, what we can always count on is the illustrious media to overhype any situation. Had Loughner used battery acid, his car, or tossed a molotov cocktail, the legislature has nothing to fear from those. It does as long as the 2nd Amendment is still strong and they continue to avoid addressing the real issues in social management. So, I don’t care how many lists of data we come up with; as long as those researchers continue to avoid the real issues of getting people re-engaged with with their own society, we’re all just pissing in the wind.

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By BR549, January 13, 2011 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

What is missing is that collective sense of direction and without that we are basically doomed. The Poor are too busy surviving to care, that middle class you spoke of is too busy still stashing their acorns away to care, and the elite just flat don’t give a shit.

I look back at other cultures and how they revered their elderly and their ancestors and that is where you can see the difference. As it stands now, this modern day, have it all now culture is so consumed with possessions that it has lost its connection with its roots and its past. This is even moreso true for the elite for they will be the ones with the rudest awakenings.

As they scurry for their numerous rat caves, built with the tax dollars of hard working believers, we will left to deal with radiation and pestilence, and these rats will wind up consuming each other. I can still see George Soros and David Rockefeller arguing about who has to take out the garbage. Ha! May they all rot in hell.

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By ChaviztaKing, January 13, 2011 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

By BR549: The biggest problem of USA is the middle class. The thing is that most Republic-oligarchic nations like USA, Mexico, Europe, etc. have 3 major economic classes (Upper, Middle and Lower).  Of the 3 major classes, 2 are oppressor, exploiter, and anti-change class, and only the lower-class like low-wage workers, the homeless, the desperate americans who can’t even sleep at night because they are scared, affraid and stressed by their monthly bills, and the people who because they are so economically limited live an abnormal life, like not being able to get married, single frustrated people, the unemployed, the elderly and the americans rejected, and totally alienated from participating in the money, wealth and pleasures of America.

But like i said the upper-class like Donald Trump, Rockefellers and millionaires we all know are an oppressor class and we almost don’t have physical contact with them.  Because they are off-limits to the average joes.

However the real middle class (doctors, lawyers, small business owners and people who earn around 100,000 dollars a year), and who drive luxury vehicles, who eat at Olive Garden, Charlies Restaurants, Luxury buffets, who go out to have fun to operas, who have economic security for the future of their children, and who enjoy perfect health, are also oppressors, an enemy class, and who might be nice people, friendly, and have social kills and are not personally angry and evil. But at the voting booth, they caste their votes for blue dog Democrats, and for zionist war-monger Republicans like Bush, Clinton and Obama.

So again the middle class is one of the biggest impediments that we have in the USA so that we can see a real change in America and a hope for some day to have a real Humanist, anti-war, workers people’s government, where the gold, oil and wealth of America would belong to all americans, not to the 5% oligarchic corporate fat cats.


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By BR549, January 13, 2011 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment


What is REALLY missing, among the plethora of bloggers, talk show hosts, and Lando-esque reporters who claim to have the answers to everything, is that sense of “connectedness” that keeps people of different classes and races all working toward the same philosophical end. It is that magic thing that has a gas station jockey content with his place in life until he decides he wants to go back to college and elevate his station, and is able to do so. It is that magic thing that has those more fortunate turn enough of their good fortune back into the very population that was working to support their place in society. In short; noblesse oblige, and a responsibility to work toward a higher common good. Otherwise, without that, all we accomplish is reinforcing slouches on welfare or useless pontificating buffoons in our legislature, who have no other purpose than to find more ways to swindle from those who haven’t yet figured out that they are being swindled.

Without that magic thing, that sense of collective direction, no country in the world will ever have a chance at discovering what potential mankind is capable of and every single member of the world’s population will just remain as a ear-tagged cow following its brethren down the slaughter chute to the benefit of a spiritually and socially disconnected group of elitist, self-appointed demi-gods.

So, when do we break this cycle? Or are we perpetually doomed to keep repeating this destructive pattern? God gives us this ability to see and to manifest, and instead of finding ways to help everyone and everything, we wind up with this spiritual poverty mentality, thinking that there is no possible way to survive unless we steal from others and despoil our environment.

People like Wayne Dyer, Deepok Chopra, Pema Chodron, John Haglun, and Thich Nhat Hanh; couple them with Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, and a host of other broader thinking individuals, and I’ll bet we could have a global revolution in man’s potential overnight. The ones we have to worry about are all those with their “spit in the punch bowl” cynicism; our legislature, for starters. They have no idea, not one freakin’ clue, as to what organic farming means beyond a group of some leftist pinkos who hate capitalism trudging around getting their boots dirty. They have absolutely no idea, and yet they somehow feel justified that THEY should be the ones setting policy. NO IDEA. So convinced are they that wearing their American flag lapel pins during a photo shoot will put them in the public’s good graces that their own inflated egos can’t see them as targets for derision.

And what if the system did fail? Would we have been any worse off than we are now? I think not, but I doubt these current hoarders of wealth and power will ever see the spiritual light of day enough to ever ask for help. Instead, they will look skyward to the heavens with that contrived look of reverence, all the while knowing how much they are screwing their own constituents. When I see politicians looking to the heavens and seeking spiritual guidance ..... it just makes me want to puke.

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By ChaviztaKing, January 13, 2011 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

By Elroy, January 13 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

Either you are a progressive-liberal, a republican voter, a democrat voter, or just blinded by mainstream corporate TV.  Because you are twisting things, the real terrorist and enemy of all americans is the 5% oligarchic ruling class, and the capitalist system which concentrates wealth in a few and poverty in the many.

You are also being anti-scientific and wrong, by labeling angry, depressed and frustrated people as killers and terrorists. You are using the oligarchic speech of the capitalist ruling class, who do what ever they can to crush any change in the USA, by labeling all marxists, leftists and rebellious people as evil.

But the real satanic evil psychopaths is the US government, The Democratic Party, The Republican Party, the capitalist ruling class and even Paul Krugman and some progressive liberal thinkers who supported Bush in the War against Iraq in 2003


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By Elroy, January 13, 2011 at 3:20 am Link to this comment

Some of the rambling comments on this thread
unwittingly reinforce the lessons of Lando’s article:
that the internet allows character assasssins to
spread their bile far and wide, for years on end.

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By ChaviztaKing, January 13, 2011 at 3:00 am Link to this comment

By BR549 You are right, and you know something? The USA right now, or at least in the last decade is just like the movie Superman III, in which a corporate oil lord wanted to steal all the oil of the world, while the majority of people were beating the bullets.  And some way or the other, the USA is turning into a very oligachic nation where there is still a bourgeoise professional middle class like doctors, lawyers, bank managers. But that middle class is part of the upper exploiter class, because even though doctors, lawyers, and high wage workers of banks are not rich like Donald Trump, they are still getting huge salaries, compared to average american workers of Wal Marts, stores, and supermarkets, who are hard working people, but are alianated.

What we need in the USA is a political party specifically for Wal Mart cashiers, supermarket workers, delivery drivers, car cleaners, homeless, elderlies and low wage people who are hungry, desperate and angry for a change.


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By ChaviztaKing, January 13, 2011 at 2:53 am Link to this comment

DEAR FRIENDS, I think that Jared Loughner was a loser like most of us are losers in this country. And indeed, most people in America are losers, rejected, hated, its even real hard to make friends in this country.  I bet that Jared Loughner is not the only one who feels depressed in America.  Americans must wake up and read the psychiatry statistics about depression rates in America and the suicidal depression.  Just look at Kurt Cobain, and hell. Kurt Cobain had money, we have more reasons than Kurt Cobain to feel depressed and suicidally depressed.

But the truth is that only a few in America can live a happy, self-realized lifestyle. George Carlin said that the game is rigged in America but the majority of people are inside the game. But he didn’t go to numbers and statistics.  But i think that according to statistics only about 30% of US citizens live a full life, while the majority of americans are completely alienated, and living a life of work, chores, paying bills and then dying, without any personal progress. It is fair to state that this system leads to a majority of angry Jared Loughners and Kurt Cobains.


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By ChaviztaKing, January 13, 2011 at 2:42 am Link to this comment

Dear friends.  What do you think about the tragic events of Tucson, Arizona? Do you think that this was a false-flag.  Or was Jared Loughner the real shooter of the tragic events? I would like to know because if you check out the personal youtube site of Jared Loughner, some things do not compute in my brain. 

Why does he have in a same book-reading list the book Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler, and The Communist Manifest of Karl Marx.  That is real weird and irrational.  Because they are opposite ideologies.  Another thing is why was Representative Gabrielle Gifford Subscribed to the youtube site of Jared Loughner, and why was he in the friend list of the youtube personal site of her.  Some things are just not right in this saga.  Thanks


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By BR549, January 13, 2011 at 12:02 am Link to this comment

The shooter was a communist party endorsing liberal hard core right wing
capitalist looney-tune leftist, who had too much Salvia on his breath after
preaching about Tea Party endorsing Obama supporters’ attempts to shoot
everything in sight after Hillary’s gun controls took effect. There, that should
clear everything up. I hope I didn’t leave anyone out.  WTF?

Right wing hate speech? Heck, the shooter had a crush on the woman and she
repeatedly wouldn’t give him the time of day. He was a loser ..... and he was
nut job all by himself to boot. If he didn’t have a gun, he would have tried to
assault her with his car, a butter knife, a pencil, perhaps even a fishing pole. I
guess we have to confiscate all of those now too. Where does this madness

At what point, exactly, are we going to grow up and start questioning the
failure of the system by those at the helm who have chosen to ignore existing
laws instead of blaming each person that falls through the cracks along with
their weapons du jour? The system is crashing because the system is being
abused by the very people who would gain the most from its failure .... and I’ll
give you a hint; they all wear expensive suits.

This is the same madness we see when we watch a manager at some flea
ridden MacDonalds restaurant yelling at his staff in front of the customers, not
because the place WAS filthy, but because the health department actually had
the gall to write him up because of it. Somewhere along the line, he forgot the
part that he was actually supposed to be “managing” the place and that the
blame sat very easily on his own shoulders. Well, that’s what we have in our
own legislature; a trailer trash soap-opera filled with innuendo and slimy
background music, each one of them pointing fingers at each other while they
all seem to somehow get wealthier in the process. What a surprise.

If we have any problems, it’s because of corruption, yet no one in those
hallowed halls, save for Ron Paul and a handful of others, has enough testicular
fortitude to step up to the plate and start telling the truth for once to the world
and our own citizens. THAT’s why Rep. Giffords was shot. It wasn’t about the
Tea Party, it wasn’t about guns or too much free speech; it was about incessant
lying and deception over decades of corrupt practices in our legislature, and
weak-minded idiots like Loughner are just our own society’s version of a
miners’ canary, showing us that we have a real problem. The difference here is
that, rather than address any of the real problems, the legislature just declares
open season on canaries.

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By jdelassus, January 12, 2011 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

When are the liberal wussies going to wake up?  We don’t know all the facts yet but it strongly appears the killings in Arizona were directly related to right wing hate speech and propaganda financed, of course, by the wealthy ruling elite in this country.  It’s understandable that the main stream mass media would down play any link to right wing hate speech since they are highly self censored by their rich patrons.  Don’t worry though, the mass media is going down.  Has been going down for years.  It’s only a question of time when the mass of citizenry reject the clever lies and spin put out by this monstrosity.  Ordinary people will become the new media.  Time for the old media to start packing their bags.

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By gerard, January 12, 2011 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

filthycherry—11 5:16
  “You can’t legislate morality.”
  That statement would negate all laws on the books, good laws, bad laws, effective laws, ineffectve laws.
  Then what?  No laws? 
  We have to try—and keep trying, changing laws as they prove unjust or ineffective.  There doesn’t seem to be any other way.
  Then after that, we have to teach people to tell the difference between “good’ laws and “bad” laws, and how to change laws when necessary.  And we have to teach them to care, and to be fair-minded and courageous.  Stiff order.
  But the alternative is worse, much, much worse. It’s called “lawlessness”.  There ain’t no easy out.
  Like everything else, lawmaking and lawkeeping demands integrity and a sense of equal justice, and fair dealilng between different interests.
  What we have now is laws too often deliberately twisted to benefit the monied class.

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By gerard, January 12, 2011 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

filthycherry—11 5:16
  “You can’t legislate morality.”
  That statement would negate all laws on the books, good laws, bad laws, effective laws, ineffectve laws.
  Then what?  No laws? 
  We have to try—and keep trying, changing laws as they prove unjust or ineffective.  There doesn’t seem to be any other way.
  Then after that, we have to teach people to tell the difference between “good’ laws and “bad” laws, and how to change laws when necessary.  And we have to teach them to care, and to be fair-minded and courageous.  Stiff order.
  But the alternative is worse, much, much worse. It’s called “lawlessness”.  There ain’t no easy out.
  Like everything else, lawmaking and lawkeeping demands integrity and a sense of equal justice, and fair dealilng between different interests.
  What we have now is laws deliberately twisted to benefit the monied class.

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By Laudyms, January 12, 2011 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

“those who believe that their mission is to save the United States or mankind from the forces of darkness.”

You mean like citizens?  The Corporate parties have disenfranchised us all- left and right. It is hardly surprising that those who value democracy have become frustrated and volitile. The complaints may be couched in different language but it pretty much comes down to outrage at being screwed.

The “team sports” metaphors are used to keep us from defining our terms and focusing on policies of deception and oppression.  A man with a brick may be a better citizen than a man on the couch glued to the tube.

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By BR549, January 12, 2011 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

The only thing that has threatened “our liberal democracy” has been a band of marauding malevolent and fascistic plutocrats.

Not happy to nurture the souls of the very people they sang and danced for to weasel votes from, these dysfunctional sociopaths have seen fit to build elaborate caves for themselves, while the rest of the Earth’s population would have to duke it out on the surface, racing after the last morsels to feed their families.

They know better. They’ve known better for decades and longer, but if they chose to actually address the problem, they would lose their “edge” over the rest of us, that “thing” that, in their own minds, somehow makes them better than the rest of the population. It isn’t better genes that got them there, and it wasn’t always knowing the right people, although that has been a key factor; NO, the singlemost prevalent factor in how this band came, and continues to come, to power is integrity, and these people have none.

We no longer see that selfless act of heroism as we have seen in battlefield accounts of men throwing themselves onto enemy grenades or single-handedly storming a machine gun nest in our to save the rest of his patrol. We no longer see the chivalry as we saw with Capt. Smith aboard the Titannic. NO, instead, what we are seeing today, is the worst of the scum of humanity. The ship is sinking and rather than help the woman and children into the lifeboats, these people are all emulating and admiring J. Bruce Ismay, the chairman of the White Star Line, who snuck onto a lifeboat, all the while knowing that mothers and their children would certainly drown. Ismay was all about living the high life as long as things went well, but when things turned sour, partly from his own doing, this leopard showed his true spots. One author summed it up well at the time, the last line of his poem reading, “To hold your place in the ghastly face of death on the sea at night is a seaman’s job, but to flee with the mob, is an owner’s noble right.”

In today’s climate of turmoil, what we have is this misanthropic batch of self appointed elitists, who have gleaned all they could from a planet’s population. Now that things aren’t looking so rosy and the ship us going down by the bow, they are all emulating the actions of Ismay.

All of these problems we have in the world today can be solved as long as people are allowed to feel connected to their roots and to feel their part in their own soil, but that can’t happen as these elitists continue to abandon ship every time an alarm goes off. If it only took one more man to help save the ship, we could count on these societal rejects to have already stolen the rations and the lifeboats while everyone else was still busy working together. THAT is the mentality and the caliber of these cowards.

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By kerryrose, January 12, 2011 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

There is alot of talk in this blog relating right wing ideology to intelligence.

Honestly? It is true that mainly the uneducated are stirred to enough hatred to get off their couches when Sarah Palin blathers about the ‘UnAmericans,’ but supposedly intelligent people listen to Bill O’Reilly.

You know, O’Reilly that says the tides evidence of God.  When corrected and told that the tides are caused by the moon (which he didn’t know) he emphatically disagrees.

Intelligence makes people emotionally and ideologically reasonable?  Right.

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By ChaviztaKing, January 11, 2011 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

What USA needs is a revolution of the philosophy way of life in America, toward a way of life of unity, love, cooperativism, solidarity, friendlyness and sympathy among all people who live in America.  The US government should not punish Jared Loughner with death penalty, but instead cure his hatred and evil with love, forgiveness and compassion and Biblical morality and a turn to God and socialism. Away from individualism, materialism and evil.

Here is a music video to remember Kurt Cobain, a revolutionary and a victim of the extreme individualist way of life in USA that leads to suicidal depression and anger:

Mighty K.C. by For Squirrels:


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By ChaviztaKing, January 11, 2011 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment

Hello all, i just want to add something to this debate about the causes of the tragic event of Tucson, Arizona.  You guys have to realize and beware, that the real causes and roots of the extreme anger felt by Jared Loughner, lies in the ultra-individualist American way of life, the psychologic, sociologic and philosophy of way of life of America which is libertarianism and extreme individualism.

I know that lots of folks are driven to love the place in which they live, and unconditional love some times blinds us from seeing the truth.  But the truth is that the living in USA is stressful, its not easy.  We are social animals and our bodies and minds are not built for extreme loneliness all the time. And for most people of the lower middle working class of America life is real lonely.  Most people in most neighborhoods don’t talk to each other.  In America you have to be a celebrity, a hot shot like Lady Gaga, Alex Rodriguez or Tom Cruise for things to happen to you, for people to give you pad in the back, and for social and psychological support.

But if you are not born into part of the upper elites or a celebrity, nobody around you will support you, will acknowledge you.  In USA life feels like if you are even hated. Young people in America feel rejected, hated and not loved and supported.  There are even many songs written about the extreme hatred experienced by the young in USA like “Jeremy” from Pearl Jam, which also led to a crazy mass murder in a school.

So instead of blaming the isolated thinking that Jared Loughner is the only angry, depressed and rejected young in USA. One way or the other most of us in USA feel like Jared Loughner, hated, rejected, alienated, without friends, because only millionares and celebrities find social relationships, so maybe the one to blame for this shitty, stressful, emotional depressive angry way of life in USA, without friends, without love and without happiness, we should blame the capitalist individualist libertarian economic and political system, that leads to a nation of Kurt Cobains and Jared Lougher.

A political system that can only produce happiness, social relationships and love in a few, and depression, hatred and anger in the majority of people who feel like Jared Loughner and Kurt Cobain

This system must be abolished as soon as possible


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By REDHORSE, January 11, 2011 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

First thing: The fates of Assange and Manning will determine our own.

    Second: Internet hydrophobes are legion. You can’t protect the people from each other and you can’t protect a person from themselves.

    Third: Do I smell RED MEAT? (In honesty let me say I appreciate Lando’s fact check efforts. I’d appreciate first hand reports about the machinations of D.C. thugs even more so.)

    We are all treading the dark corrupt political waters of a Nation in decline, all minds and emotion beaten senseless, every human decency violated. The rage and emotional damage palpable. Lives are being senselessly destroyed while avaricious criminals stand in the way of every attempt at the sane recovery of economy and future. When adults are lied to and the liers know they’re lying and know the people lied to know they’re being lied to it makes people bat shit crazy. The Tucson Tragedy pulled the mask off the illusion and revealed the consequential real politic wound. People died senselessly.

    The destructive greed of the avaricious criminal Right and the active silence of the so called Left are both violent beyond rational comprehension. The “shooter” is the disease that results when human moral values are abandoned and social systems destroyed. It isn’t “ranters” on the Net.

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By SarcastiCanuck, January 11, 2011 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment
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“So then what”?...More death Mr.Lando,thats what.Good luck America.

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By chip, January 11, 2011 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

Wikileaks has no place in this article.
Did the CIA write this or what?

I looked at those postings by the little kid that shot up Arizona.
Ended up seeing some Bohemian Grove video.

I just went to snopes as the article suggested.
No results, was the response.

Do a good portion of our “leaders” go burn a giant owl in the woods with no press coverage?

I have read some Jon Ronson.

I tried Alex Jones site, too bad he’s nuts.


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By JamesZZZZZ, January 11, 2011 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment
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The true sickness of the post-modern era is lying and without developing the
discriminative faculties to pierce the veil of pernicious lying all will be lost.  In the
U.S. our educational system does next to nothing to help youth develop these
faculties.  This has been going on for at least a generation.  With the advent of the
Internet where lies can be spread with ease and without provenance and without
said faculties developed the slippery slope of violence and hatred will only get a
little more slippery.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 11, 2011 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

Yeah, historians studying him put forth the claim that he had f***ed 35,000 women—surpassing Wilt Chamberlain’s claim of 20,000.

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By Leefeller, January 11, 2011 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

Castro….“having his men collect him 2 women a day for many years”.  Well now it all comes together!....  The Republicans attacking Clinton for showing Lewinsky his man thing, all these years;  Castor oil having two women a day when the Republicans can only conjure up foot tapping at airport rest rooms, Tom Delay dancing in the stars and Rockefeller spending his last date with a hooker?  What does this all mean?...  Republicans are not only stupid, they are jealous too?

Wow this is not making any sense!  Two women a day makes me think of Mormons and Moslems, which could mean Castor is really a consecutive guy?

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By Inherit The Wind, January 11, 2011 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

ChavistaKing quotes Fidel Castro, who makes a hell of a lot more sense than ChavistaKing.

After JFK’s assassination, Castro said that only a fool would rejoice because systems, not people, were the enemy.

While I don’t subscribe to Castro’s belief system, nor his Socialism, and his own personal behavior has been reprehensible (having his men collect him 2 women a day for many years), he, at least among Socialist leaders, has always had a vision beyond his own parochial nation.

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By ChaviztaKing, January 11, 2011 at 2:52 am Link to this comment


Sad news was broadcast this afternoon from the United States: Gabrielle Giffords, Democratic congresswoman for Arizona, was the victim of a criminal attempt while taking part at a political meeting at her electoral district in Tucson. On the other side of the border lies Mexico, the Latin American country to which that territory used to belong when, in an unjust war, more than one half of its area was seized from it.

Along its arid surface, many of those who emigrate from Mexico, Central America and other Latin American countries try to escape hunger, poverty and the underdevelopment to which those countries have been led by the United States. Money and goods can freely cross the border; human beings cannot. Without mentioning the drugs and weapons that cross that line in either direction.

Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans who work in that country doing the toughest and worst paid jobs are captured each year and sent back to their points of departure, many times separated from their closest kin. They were hoping that the new administration would correct that criminal and inhuman policy.

According to just-arrived news, 18 people were shot and six died, among them a 9-year-old girl and Federal Judge John Roll.

The congresswoman was seriously wounded by a bullet in the head. Doctors were fighting to save her life.

She is married to NASA astronaut Mark Kelly. She was first elected to Congress in 2006 at the age of 36. “She is a supporter of migrant reform, stem cell research and alternative energy”, measures that are hated by the far right.

She was re-elected as the Democratic representative in the past elections.

When her father was asked whether she had any enemies, he replied: The entire Tea Party”.

It is known that the former US vice-presidential candidate in the 2008 elections and Tea Party leader, Sarah Palin, published on her website, as the aim for supporters of her party, a map of the congressional districts of 20 of the representatives who had backed President Obama’s proposed health reform bill and she had them marked with the viewfinder of a rifle.

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords’ political opponent was a former Marine who appeared in the electoral campaign with an M-16 in a message which apparently stated: “Help get rid of Gabrielle Giffords…shoot the entire ammo chamber of an M-16 with Jesse Kelly.”

In March 2010, Gabrielle’s district office was attacked. She stated that when people do that they were going to have to be aware of the consequences; political leaders should get together and set limits.

Any sensible person could well wonder whether such an act happened in Afghanistan or in an electoral district in Arizona.

Obama stated: “…an unspeakable tragedy, a number of Americans were shot…”

“And while we are continuing to receive information, we know that some have passed away, and that Representative Giffords is gravely wounded…”.

“We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society….”

“ I ask all Americans to join me and Michelle in keeping Representative Giffords, the victims of this tragedy, and their families in our prayers.”

It is sad to remember that in the world every year many millions of people are dying as the consequence of absurd wars, poverty, growing famines and the deterioration of the environment promoted by the wealthiest and most developed nations on the planet.

We would like Obama and the United States Congress to share those concerns with all the other peoples.

Fidel Castro Ruz

January 8, 2011

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It shows her being subscribed to the killer…notice the last login date….2 days ago. So she was subscribed before the shooting At the shot congresswoman’s YouTube, she has a subscription to her own shooters webpage. Why?

Gifford’s YouTube, subscriptions in bottom left corner:

And with that, why is this ONE YouTube page of the shooter still available, when everything else of him has been taken down? This, the shooters YouTube page, is also the one page that the MSN reference to endlessly Any ponders?


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By abdo, January 11, 2011 at 1:54 am Link to this comment

mr.lando no doubt you are trained experienced journalist, however you and your prose. did not tell us any thing worth knowing in the last difficult decades, whether it was cooking the election 2000, the war in Afghanistan, the misleading build up to the Iraq war ..etc sorry mr.lando I rather read the sane and lunatics on the internet and elsewhere and sort it out my self. and the crazies should not have access to guns rigth….how aboutthe blackwater and other mercenaries. In fact how about the generals how belive the war is winnable if they we allowed them to kill more Vietnamese, Afghani , Pakistani , Somali ..I let you choose

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By Robespierre115, January 11, 2011 at 1:15 am Link to this comment

Instead of controlling speech and the internet, why don’t we focus on having a more educated citizenry and also making sure lunatics can’t go around buying guns like candy?

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By ChaviztaKing, January 11, 2011 at 12:38 am Link to this comment

beware of Alexander Cockburn of he is rich progressive liberal elitist who hates the poors, and who blames the poor Tea Partiers of Tucson, Arizona for lack of education.  He is like Bill Cosby, who has a “blame the poor people” tactic in his jokes.  Alexander Cockburn thinks that he is the GOD of socialism in USA.  He wrote an article on defending The Democrat Party and Obama like if The Democrats and Obama are politicians who care about poor people.



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By ChaviztaKing, January 11, 2011 at 12:20 am Link to this comment


And indeed, the USA has been kidnapped by the forces of darkness since late 1800s.  and those forces of darkness are The Democratic Party, The Republican Party, the 5% top oligarchic class, The Israel Jewish Lobby, The Military Industrial Complex, Wall Street Bankers and the capitalist imperialist system.

What USA needs is socialism, a Socialist Workers Party to rise to power, and overthrow the current economic political system that only benefits a few at the top, and increases poverty in the majority of hard working people.


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By FilthyCherry, January 11, 2011 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

You can not legislate morality and ethics.

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By gerard, January 11, 2011 at 12:11 am Link to this comment

All about cosmetic changes and public relations—nothing substantial as far as I can see.  Business as usual.  Ho hum.

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By mrfreeze, January 10, 2011 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

There is one solution to what is essentially a HUGE Media problem…....

Raise about $1 trillion in an alternative news/cultural network (with it’s own sattelites,
and necessary infrastructure) and broadcast the truth…..........

Nice idea but let’s face reality.. The current Media isn’t going anywhere.

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By G.Anderson, January 10, 2011 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment

Yes, the world is full of crazy people… but who is the most crazed… the one whose ranting insanity, or the millions who believe in them?

That’s the real issue isn’t it? The concerns that the sheeple will believe in some frothing at the mouth schizophrenic, which will make it harder for the coroporate media to continue with their own behavior modification of the population…

So Julian Assange was mentioned so it doesn’t look like your for internet censorship… but really that’s what this is about, the use of a tragedy as the starting point for another bigger tragedy..

When comericals on T.V. tout Fruit Loops, Captain Crunch, Lucky Charms, and Trix, as a healthy breakfast for children, without a quiver from the FDA, while the FDA goes after producers of Walnuts and Cherries, for saying that their products were good for your health, then the government has serious problems with the truth. Who do they think their fooling..?

This is the reason why people listen to schizophrenic rants, because people know that the government is lying to them and is owned by the corporations. That is the real issue.

Yes they would like to end internet freedom, and they are going to try and do just that.

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By skimohawk, January 10, 2011 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment

That picture of Obama has been appearing regularly ( without the text ) on Seattle Craigslist “Rants and Raves” for almost three years. As far as outrageous photoshopped images of Obama go, it’s rather tame in comparison to some others.

In response to the author’s questions at the end of the article:
No, the spewers are not going to stop spewing. Spew is their bread and butter.
Besides, do you really want them to stop spewing? Where in the First Ammendment are there any restrictions or limitations regarding spew?
( You know, the old “I may not agree with what you say…” )

So then what?
Nothing to be done about the spewers on Craigslist- they’re just unhappy unbalanced unemployed guys looking for a means to vent.
But the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Palins: they’ve all got SPONSORS.

Who are the SPONSORS? Where is the LIST of SPONSORS?
How are we supposed to know WHO to BOYCOTT?

As much as I hate saying this, YES WE CAN boycott their sponsors.

Fight back. With money ( or lack of it. )

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By entropy2, January 10, 2011 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment

What exactly is the relevance of mentioning Wikileaks at the beginning of the article? I don’t “instinctively” defend Wikileaks or Assange out of some liberal reflex. Wikileaks is a bright light in a kitchen full of cockroaches. And when it comes to what the government (that purportedly governs on our behalf and by our consent) is doing, yes, the public’s right to know, with VERY few exceptions, does trump all.

In any case, none of that has anything to do with how we confront lies and hate speech. Both have been around since humans could communicate. We confront them not by curtailing free speech, but by telling the truth and fighting for justice and tolerance. If we take the easy route of repression, we’ve already lost what we are trying to save. We’ve become the enemy.

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By Ivan Hentschel, January 10, 2011 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment
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Both the evocative right and left simply recycle old ideas, observations and complaints/accusations.The net (or internet, in this case) result is circular, loopy logic, and the rest if us are left to sift through the remaining detritus, looking for something new. We are always disappointed.

On the rare ocassions when a creative thinker offers a new solution or resolution, he/she is snuffed out and muffled by the dominant media,in favor of celebrity status and/or money.

Our empiric ship of state will sink, like the Titanic, because everyone was too busy swilling cheap champagne, rather than manning the bilge pumps.

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By aacme88, January 10, 2011 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment

“Soros is a behind-the-scenes despot. He is an evil man who has used his wealth to further all the causes the Democrat Party holds dear. He was also a Nazi collaborator. ”

Or a March 11, 2009, Investor’s Business Daily editorial:

“His ultimate goal is to create a global socialist collective where we hand over our money and/or freedom and sing ‘Kumbaya.’ ”

I figured out during the wars in Central America 25 years ago that you can keep tabs on what the American right is doing by watching what they are accusing the left of. The forces of right-wing tyranny have never been accused of being imaginative, and of course, never mind the juxtaposition of Nazi and Socialist imagery.

That view has yet to let me down. As the vitriolic spew of the right has mushroomed, so has the evidence of a concerted takeover of the American system, replacing it with a dystopia right out of the scariest futurist writers’ imaginations.

The non-ruling classes’ assets are being stripped and distributed among the oligarchy.
The Ministry of Truth isn’t yet a official government agency, but it shapes the national conversation with apparent ease, from it’s base at Fox.
It is important to pay attention.

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By Miko, January 10, 2011 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment
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Ah, the old “I’m a liberal; I just hate liberalism”
argument.  Sorry, no.  If you are opposed to the
freedom of speech, under any circumstances whatsoever,
you are not a liberal.  While conservatives are under
the crazy impression that “the second amendment is the
enforcement clause for the Bill of Rights,” the leftist
realizes that the true enforcement clause is the first
amendment and the power of dissent.  If we lose free
speech, we might just as well throw all other civil
liberties away voluntarily.

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By Anarcissie, January 10, 2011 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment

How many people did they shoot, bomb, burn in Afghanistan today?  But that’s not a big story, it’s just business as usual.

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By gerard, January 10, 2011 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

This comes off very much like an argument for control of speech, the press and the internet.  Furthermore, it starts out using veiled threats about unspecified “dangers” of the WikiLeaks cables, but never mentions them again in any way related to loose or inflammatory rhetoric floating around on a relatively free internet.
  More like the truth would be the fact that the release of the cables was precisely to prevent secrecy in politics (particularly in diplomacy) that endangers the lives of thousands of people, promotes behind the scenes graft and bribery, and denies people knowledge that is necessary if they are to know how to influence and control their (democratic) government. The fact is that secrecy encourages dishonesty.
  This article is faulty because it is misleading, circuitous, and under the recent horrific circumstances, is in poor taste and badly timed.And what, by the way, is the purpose of emphasizing the faults of the article by accompanying it with this vicious cartoon?

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By Aaron Ortiz, January 10, 2011 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment

Trying to blame the climate of hatred on new media is predictable if you have a stake in old media…couldn’t this be what is motivating this article? The internet has made it
easy to publish hate speech…but to say that it, more than all other media, is the way hate gets spread is exaggeration.

The old media are bleeding cash, and are terrified about it. If they were more worried about provoking thought than making money, there would be a more respectful tone in
their content, which would lead to less hatred on the blogs, and the news WOULD be turning a profit, in my opinion. Instead they are polarizing people, and creating a fear and
urgency in their tone that is very dangerous.

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By Anarcissie, January 10, 2011 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment

And then there’s the durn printing press, too.

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