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Infiltration to Disrupt, Divide and Misdirect Is Widespread in Occupy

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Posted on Feb 24, 2012
AP / Carolyn Kaster

A “V for Vendetta” mask, one of the symbols of the Occupy movement, adorns the statue of Maj. Gen. James B. McPherson on Feb. 1 in McPherson Square in Washington, where Occupy D.C. protesters camped.

By Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers

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Recently we toured occupations on the West Coast, where we spoke to many participants, and have attended General Assemblies at Occupy Wall Street and Philadelphia. We heard stories in Arizona of someone with website administrative privileges deleting the live-stream archive that included video that was to be used in defense of some who were arrested. In Lancaster, Pa., someone took control of the email list, making it an announce-only list, and when the police threatened to close the camp, that person put out a statement that the Lancaster Occupiers had decided to go without any conflict. In fact, no such decision had been made and 30 Occupiers had planned to risk arrest when the police tried to remove them. The false email resulted in no resistance.

Our West Coast trip ended at the Occupy Olympia Solidarity Social Forum. We were able to survey 41 people representing 15 occupations primarily on the West Coast but including Missoula, Mont., and New Orleans. Participants were questioned about 10 behaviors. The most common behaviors, seen in roughly two-thirds of those surveyed and covering 12 of the 15 occupations, were:


1. Disruptions of the General Assemblies and attempts to divide the group. Individuals would interrupt General Assemblies with emergency items or sidetrack the agenda with their personal needs or issues. When proposals were presented to the General Assembly on principles for the occupation or plans to prevent division, individuals would question the authority of the writers of the proposal, launch personal attacks or question their abilities. There were frequent attacks on people who did the most work and were perceived as leaders. The anti-leadership views of many Occupiers were used to essentially attack the most effective people. Sue Basko wrote about this in a comment in Truthdig on a Chris Hedges article in Truthdig. There was an “ongoing campaign of harassment and coercion against the Occupy L.A. participants and volunteers,” Basko wrote. “Each day is a fresh set of victims.” She described the use of Twitter, Listservs and blogs to “defame and harass anyone giving their efforts to help Occupy L.A.” This included attacks on “social media workers, the website team, the lawyers (including me), the medics, the live streamers, the writers and on and on,” she said. She also wrote that “there is the very strong belief that some among them are FBI or DHS [Department of Homeland Security] agents placed there to start the group, egg it on, control it.” Conversations with others in Los Angeles confirmed this report. Our experience in suffering personal attacks included outlandish lies calling us criminals and thieves and near daily email attacks since early December. We found that when we respond and correct lies, it does not stop them and have concluded that if someone has the intention to be a character assassin there is nothing you can do except expose them. Although that may not stop them, it at least gets those in the occupation who are not gullible to doubt the undocumented personal attacks.

2. Individuals who took over the website and/or social media and then removed them or hacked them and took control. As noted above, these networks have been used in personal attacks, as well as to send inaccurate messages to the media and other Occupiers. One mistake is to allow a large number of people to have administrative privileges on the website. Being an administrator allows that person to erase crucial information, as occurred in Phoenix. In Washington, D.C., we have been removed as administrators of a Facebook page we created because we allowed people who turned out to be untrustworthy to have administrative privileges. People can blog or post to Facebook or websites without being administrators.

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Division over how money was being spent was an issue reported by 50 percent of respondents, and in 12 out of 15 occupations individuals persistently raised questions about transparency and the use of funds. In General Assemblies in New York and Philadelphia, we saw disruption by people who complained about money issues. In New York, an argument about access to free MetroCards resulted in a 30-minute argument. In Philadelphia, there was a vague complaint centering on the question “Where is the money?” We saw something similar at a 99 percent’s meeting in San Francisco where one of the questioners complained about supposedly missing money. And we have seen still more situations of this kind in Washington, D.C. Sometimes these disrupters seem like homeless or emotionally disturbed individuals. They could be acting out their concerns or they could be encouraged by police to attend meetings to cause disruption and may be paid a small amount to do so. Whether paid or not, the impact is the same—it takes the Occupy off its political agenda and turns people off to participating in the movement.

Finally, the issue of escalation of tactics to include property damage and conflict with police was brought up. The euphemism for this is “diversity of tactics.” In fact, there is great diversity within nonviolent tactics. A strong debate exists between those who favor strategic nonviolence and those who favor property destruction and police conflict. In 11 of 15 occupations, there were reports of verbal attacks on police and/or escalation of tactics from nonviolence to property destruction or violence. In one occupation, an individual took over the direct action working group and escalated the tactics used beyond what the group had agreed upon. In another Occupy, the General Assembly approved putting up a structure but agreed that if the police wanted it taken down the protesters would promptly do so to prove that it was temporary. After the structure was put up, a handful of people refused to take it down, causing a 10-hour police conflict and undermining public support for the Occupy. In another occupation, because a minority of the demonstrators refused to adopt nonviolent strategies, a protest with the teachers union was canceled, preventing a major opportunity to expand the movement. When it comes to the issue of violence versus property damage, it is particularly hard to tell whether the differences are political or instigated by infiltrators.

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By Sue Basko, February 27, 2012 at 12:31 am Link to this comment

@EmileZ - lol.  Seriously, now you made me laugh.

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By EmileZ, February 27, 2012 at 12:22 am Link to this comment

@ Sue Basko

Looking at your fantastic blog.

This crusty old “ass scratcher” (actually I am not that old but I try to make up for it in crustiness) thanks you for your hard work and dedication.

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By Sue Basko, February 27, 2012 at 12:09 am Link to this comment

@REDTEDDY - it is beyond what you are thinking.  Streamers have been physically
attacked by strangers who have followed them or have had their camera/phones
stolen from their hands. 

Other people, including me, have had a campaign of illegal acts launched against
us- threats, defamation, cyberstalking, cyberbullying, dissemination of private
information.  We have been placed in fear of our lives and safety and that of our
loved ones.  YES these are crimes.

For example—someone posted a ludicrous comment on here “about” me. Yes, it
is defamation.  In addition, I have had private lawyer-client information posted
onto the internet by an entity using the name OLaasm, the sole purpose of which is
to harass those volunteering for Occupy LA.  YES—this is a crime to disseminate
private information, and moreso when it is private lawyer-client information.
(Obtained how?  Not sure.  But even if obtained, illegal to disseminate.) 

Let me give you another example.  Occupy LA has several list serves that go out to
thousands of emails.  There is a small group of people—and we all know who
they are—who have routinely used the list serves to defame others in the group. 
I have seen ALL the lawyer-volunteers ruthlessly defamed!  Among the others
defamed was one of the main founders of Occupy LA, and those who volunteer in
the social media, website, writers, medics, streamers, etc.  IN a nutshell, it is the
smartest, hardest-working, most given, and most reasonable people being
attacked.  Intentionally so?  I think so.

To my knowledge, the small group of people that harass everyone else are not
known to make any contribution themselves. Not that I ever heard about, anyway. 
ANd I am very “in the loop” of information.

One day, one of the women who serially harasses people at Occupy LA posted onto
4 list serves (thousands of recipients!) a message saying that I call all activists
terrorists.  Just out of the blue, this woman made up this crazy lie and posted it—
not in any context, not after consulting me, and not in relation to anything.  This
was an outright defamation (a lie).  I was at first stunned that someone would
write something untrue and at the same time so incredibly stupid.  I could sue this
woman for defamation per se and win in a heartbeat. 

It is the kind of thing where anyone reading it would assume the woman who
wrote it is an infiltrator from a place like Stratfor (that’s what I think) or a deeply
disturbed individual (or both).  Still, it is very bad to have such things being said,
because someone equally as mentally disturbed as that woman might believe it.

In fact, I am an activist and have been so for decades, and so why would I label us
all as terrorists?  There is nothing in it that rings true.  And why would I spend
countless hours assisting activists and protesters if I believed them to be
terrorists? It makes no sense.

By now, it seems ALMOST everyone gets it that Occupy LA has a small core group
that is there almost solely to harass the others, to dissuade them.

There is no way to get anything removed from the list serve because supposedly
no one knows who controls it.

Because of this abuse, most people no longer post to those list serves, although
they may read it.  They have formed other ways to communicate.

There are also email groups where the same few people keep emailing out
defamatory and harassing emails.  Over and over, every day.  Obviously, the idea is
to wear out the very good hard workers who are being harassed.  The people being
harassed are the really talented, very accomplished, incredibly hard-working
people.  These are people that despite being parents, going to school, or even
being homeless—are volunteering MANY hours per day.  I guess that is scary
enough to send in hired “guns” to try to end it.

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By Sue Basko, February 26, 2012 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment

Sorry - this is my 3rd Comment.  I mentioned my blog and so I want to link to
it.  Right now, the focus is on the G8/NATO summit protests, and therefore, on
Illinois and Chicago law. 

Here is the link:  http://occupypeace.blogspot.com

There is one main protest planned for the G8.  It is on Saturday May 19th. It
starts with a rally in Daley Plaza (permit by Joe Iosbacker)  and proceeds to a 3-
mile march (permit by Andy Thayer).  This is the big event.  The people
organizing it plan for it to be 100% nonviolent, meaning no property or
personal damage.

There is also a rally in upper Hutchison Field in Grant Park run by a nurses
association. 

Daley Plaza is also supposed to be kept open as the official place to protest.
The City is supposed to provide a sound system and porta-potties for those
wanting to protest.  Daley Plaza is a big, good, open area accessible to all the
trains and busses. 

People are kind of jumpy about the G8, but I think it will be fun.

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By redteddy, February 26, 2012 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

I think its difficult to tell what part of the disruptions are infiltrators or co-opters
and how much is just the drawing in of so many different kinds of people.  There
are some occupiers who will vote for Obama, some for Paul, some won’t vote at
all.  Some believe you should try to manipulate the system to create change, some
believe you should shirk conventional channels.  There are those who think occupy
should form its own party and then there are those who don’t believe in political
parties at all.  We have those who are for aggressive action and those who are
non-violent.  What I do know is if the movement cannot find some common
ground and common ground rules and goals, thus alienating a certain number of
infiltrators and co-opters, the movement will disintegrate or simply become
marginalized.  Its difficult to say “everyone is welcome” and then get upset when
some of those people disagree with how the movement is going and try to steer it
in another direction, its part and parcel of being an open movement.

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By bernadene, February 26, 2012 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

@ PeteinDC,and Bob Marston

ad hominum attacks are the oldest rick in the book
when one does not have a good argument.

much of what is said in Occupy groups is mere opinion
or preference, point of view, personal.
our experience is ours and we can talk about however
we like. with whatever information we have. so can
the authors of this article…it’s not a Harvard
seminar, FGS.
make your own case instead of attacking others.
@Bob Marston, so you are with a Labor Solidarity WG?
interesting. what, exactly, does that WG do?

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By redteddy, February 26, 2012 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment

“Two undercover police officers who just stepped out of a police van and the
officer in blue entering Zuccotti Park.”

They are plain clothes police officers NOT ‘undercover’.  If they were undercover
they would not openly use walkie talkies or get out of a police van.  An undercover
operation would entail having someone who would ‘fit in’ at OWS, have them join a
WG and become imbedded in the movement to either disrupt or gather
information.

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By Sue Basko, February 26, 2012 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment

My prior comment was a response to a Comment here that was defaming me.
Now I want to make my “real” comment.

I thank Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers for such a thought-filled, well-
researched article.  This is SUCH an important topic! 

The harassment being made against the Occupiers has been extreme.  It is
systematic, methodical harassment.    People have been placed in fear of their
lives and safety.  The harassment and attacks have been made mainly against
those who have done the most work for Occupy.  Of course—if you want to
harm a protest movement, you would harass those doing the most.

The live streamers have also been harassed nationwide.  I was with one
streamer tonight—and he mentioned he is going to need to get a personal
security guard for the G8. 

The harassment and attacks on the Occupy volunteers are ILLEGAL.  Even if it is
the FBI or DHS doing the harassment, it is still illegal.  The DOJ Guidelines for
FBI infiltration says that peoples’ First Amendment rights must be upheld.

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By Sue Basko, February 26, 2012 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

The COMMENT BY ESTIE420   is a PERFECT example of the harassment and
defamation that I and others at Occupy LA have undergone.  Note, ESTIE420
does not give a real name.  This fits with the pattern of character
assassinations and defamation that have been ongoing at Occupy LA. 

MY family and I were involved with Occupy LA from before it began.  As a
lawyer, I provided legal research and information to help start Occupy LA
because my family was going to participate—and then found myself
contacted by groups nationwide trying to start a camp and providing expertise
to them. 

And yes —I DO provide a blog that gives free LEGAL information to Occupy
and protest groups worldwide.  It gets MANY hits per day. I also field questions
by email and phone.  The research and writing on the blog has taken hundreds
of hours, and it is used by Occupy and protest sites worldwide. 

And YES—I give ACCURATE legal information, which ESTIE420 objects to.  If a
permit is required, I say so!  That’s what competent lawyers DO!  The law should
not be a secret, and no agitators should be able to fool anyone into breaking
the law.  If someone wishes to break the law, that should be a knowing
decision on their part.  One conviction and sometimes one arrest can bar a
person from MANY careers and jobs.  People need REAL INFO, and I provide
that.

And YES, I do provide MUCH of the writing on the Occupy Los Angeles website.
The blog posts I make there are linked and reposted in many locations. 

While the camp was going, I also steered in a good many of the donors—since
I was publicizing the donation information all over the internet.  And I and my
family also donated tents, supplies, food, and much work. 

Trademark-  I was the one who first noticed that two trademark applications
had been made, not by the group.  I was helping for FREE—until a vicious,
malicious person from the OLAASM group began harassing and maligning that
work on Twitter.  Whoever ESTIE420 is, this person is NOT PRIVY TO the
discussions that were taking place between me and the people with whom I was
dealing.  And if they are and are making it public, that is a crime. 

  I cannot explain more about the trademark situation, because of lawyer-client
confidentiality, but suffice it to say the government registration fees on
trademark are about $300 per mark per category, which adds up fast. 

It is NOT surprising that Estie420 is maliciously attacking me here   —I have
watched as ALL the lawyers assisting Occupy LA have been maliciously attacked
—either on the list serves, on emails, etc.  Some of them probably do not even
know the attacks are going on.  I believe these attacks (by a handful of people
over and over again) against the lawyers are an attempt to get us to stop
providing services and information to those who want it. 

My work has ALSO involved exposing the reality that people at Occupy LA and
streamers nationwide have been continuously harassed by people like ESTIE
420.  MANY have thanked me for speaking out.  This is VERY important because
the people behind the attacks are trying to dismantle the movement.

My current work is letting people know about the G8/ NATO summit, and also
working closely with the top Citizen Journalists nationwide so they have what
they need for that.

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By gerard, February 26, 2012 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

It is very helpful and encouraging to find so many who are and have been active in Occupy speaking from their own points of view.  I thank them very much for that, and for their developing projects and efforts.

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By jim, February 26, 2012 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment
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alittle ed abbey a little saul alinsky a little gandhi. might work , but i doubt it . protect vann jones. charismatic articulate black leaders are routinely murdered[hundreds if dated back just to the 60s] by amerikan internal security forces. i refer you to buffalo springfields , “for what its worth” a song from the sixties about an l.a. riot that got no press coverage even though dozens were killed or injured.

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By balkas, February 26, 2012 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

ows needs to simplify their actions or reduce them to just going door to door or meet people at
intersections and ask them if they are for healthcare for all, free education for those that want it and
above else the right to know; i.e., obtain true information.
very little money is needed for such a campaign. this avoids confrontation with city police as well.
so, forget about protesting, living in tents, occupying this and that, etc..
go for simple actions such as i described.

distributing leaflets which would explain how healthcare for all, education would be implemented and
financed would also help a lot. in any case, it cannot hurt that cause.
since the laws are made in congress and approved by judiciary and the w.h., one has to get some
people there who stand for those 3 rights i mentioned above.
if Ows does not field candidates for congress [forget about presidency and judiciary for now], you’d
never obtain those rights.
that’s 100% sure!

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By gerard, February 26, 2012 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

Most of the news coming out of Occupy isn’t getting time with big media—for obvious reasons.  You have to search for it on line, and you will find the movement is still alive though disunified by distance and by the complexities of daily life and of the nation’s many problems. It might be said that Americans have always been plagued by the possibilities of over-choice. Perhaps the historical necessity to narrow down to either/or in order to simplify has made us all more or less simple-minded, and when the picture becomes complex we try to reduce it to the Manichaean better/worse,righteous/ sinful dichotomies—which don’t work very well
when facing complex reality.
  We who comment here should threfore easily understand Occupiers’ predicament nationwide. What to do? What to do first? How to do it? Who? When? Where?  Furthermore, most answers a degree of
commitment not commonly found in American lives.
  Fortunately, many thousands of Occupiers are in the process of getting well-educated, and some are actively using their training in action.  Others are educating their fellow activists to bring them up to speed.  I admire them very much. They are coping with an enormously confused and wounded Democracy suffering from institutionalized PTSD—a guilty conscience, bad dreams, nervous exhaustion and delusions of grandeur.

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By ardee, February 26, 2012 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

By thethirdman, February 26 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

aha, yes.  I am the one wedded to my own ego

I appreciate the self reflection and subsequent admission. Remember:
You have, in previous encounters with others here, demonstrated this same arrogance and childishness. Do not expect to be let off the hook for what you post.

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By MFlowers, February 26, 2012 at 9:29 am Link to this comment
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CORRECTION: It has come to our attention that the
individual named as the agent provocateur at the
National Air and Space Museum was most likely NOT
Michael Stack. We apologize for any confusion or
problems that this has caused.
Margaret Flowers and Kevin Zeese

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By ComradeBuka, February 26, 2012 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

Rep: You suck. Get a hair cut and a job!
Dem: You suck. Choke on your money!
Third party: I am insignificant…

Political debate.

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By bernadene, February 26, 2012 at 9:12 am Link to this comment

@:dedangelo, specif. “I am sick and tired of being
bullied by the ideological “pure”. Ideological purity
defeats movements just as easily as infiltrators.”
I agree about purity. Not so sure about the defeat
part…I am sorry you personally feel bullied. That
is not our intention.
Me and ones i know are the farthest from bullies in
intention, but we and others can get passionate and
verbally aggressive when speaking of injustice and
the crimes of the power elite structure…quite like
so many of the the Civil Rights blacks did at the
beginning…surely you can understand our outrage?
and our suspicion of others who have used this power
to keep the status quo? if they [the ones you named]
want to help, we are all for it, but they should not
think WE are on THEIR side! and we are NOT going to
enjoin with them formally!  THEY ARE THE PROBLEM FOR
THEY ARE IN ESSENCE THE ENEMY WITHIN ourselves for
believing in them for so long, and for allowing them
to have power they corrupted, and used not in OUR
best interest.  So we say, STOP! no more money, no
more support!

Obama is a Democrat and he has taken MORE MONEY FROM
THE BANKSTERS THAN ANYONE!

Who has the most power, real power over others lives
here? who has ALLOWED these situations so sick [you
know what i mean] if I name only ten of them off the
top of my head i will puke? ALL THE ONES YOU NAMED.
Move-On is less culpable perhaps, but they want to
funnel energy to the Dems. no thanks!

What has happened, i think is that we rose up,
independently mostly of their leadership…and they
woke up saying “Oh shit, how can WE USE THIS FOR OUR
SELVES?”
As i see it, they did not believe in us, so we have
stopped depending on them to get us out of this
horror story.
  As others have said, this energy is young in the
show of numbers we have seen so far…more of these
kinds of issues will arise. i know i am in it for the
long haul…
I heard a Chinese Proverb[so much great wisdom is
attributed to the ancient Chinese or Sufis…lol]:
“May you be blessed to live in interesting times;
May you be cursed to live in interesting times”.

And so we are!

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By dedangelo, February 26, 2012 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

Lots of conjecture in this article. I don’t doubt that Occupy is being infiltrated, BUT as a Democrat who wants her party reformed and divorced from the 1%, I am sick and tired of being bullied by the ideological “pure”. Ideological purity defeats movements just as easily as infiltrators. At #OccupyPhoenix, the bullying of union members, Democrats, Greater Phoenix MoveOn.org—all of whom expressed explicit interest in NOT co-opting the movement—has gutted participation. Long, drawn-out debates over violence v. non-violence continues to do harm to levels of participation. Bigotry masked as fear of infiltration is not a viable strategy.

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By PeteinDC, February 26, 2012 at 7:31 am Link to this comment
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These self-proclaimed leaders (in a movement which
has decided not to have any leaders), once again
dismiss those who disagree with them as agent
provocateurs. This is a pretty dangerous practice
within a social movement. Why won’t they engage in an
honest debate with those who disagree with their
overall strategy and tactics?

Some no longer believe these massive mobilizations in
DC are effective and end up wasting valuable energy
better spent elsewhere in the movement. And, if you
no longer believe in the two major corporate parties
in DC—why bother coming here? A lot of us believe
we should be doing the hard but necessary work of
organizing all are local occupies.

And Kevin and Margaret is also in no place to
criticize Occupy DC McPherson, but they do so from a
very arrogant point of view regarding the OccuBarn
incident. This action was decided and re-decided by
GA, and in the end helped grow the movement… This
is what Kevin and Margaret, Inc. write:
  In another Occupy, the General Assembly approved
putting up a structure but agreed that if the police
wanted it taken down the protesters would promptly do
so to prove that it was temporary. After the
structure was put up, a handful of people refused to
take it down causing a 10 hour police conflict and
undermining public support for the Occupy.

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By thethirdman, February 26, 2012 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

Haha, yes.  I am the one wedded to my own ego.

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By ardee, February 26, 2012 at 6:09 am Link to this comment

By thethirdman, February 25 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

Ardee,

Thanks for trying to belittle at every turn.  No wonder the left can’t affect change.
And thank you for essentially repeating what I said.

In one small paragraph you show yourself to be entirely too wedded to your own ego, willing to distort your original post to insult a respondent, needlessly by the way.

Nothing in my original response warrants being labeled as “belittling at every turn” thus showing your own foibles and contributing nothing to the debate.
Further, (you horses ass), now that is belittling, your message that third party politics is secondary to supporting the Democrats is far from my own message thus your stupid statement that I merely echoed what you said is another example of your head up your rectum, in debating at least.

You have, in previous encounters with others here, demonstrated this same arrogance and childishness. Do not expect to be let off the hook for what you post.

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By thecrow, February 26, 2012 at 5:59 am Link to this comment

That is why your best chance of transforming the “power structure” is to prove how utterly corrupt it is.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/09/10/ghosts-in-the-machine/

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By Hope, February 25, 2012 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment
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I am so antique as to have organized during the Civil Rights Movement.  There were infiltrators then, who introduced divisiveness just as seems to be happening today in Occupy. However today these intrusions seem much more widespread.  I was at an Occupy Boston meeting a month ago where a portly young guy turned up and was asking members for the names and phones of people in action groups, arousing suspicion. I left early to go to another meeting, and walked past him on the stair landing, where he was talking submissively on his cell phone with someone he repeatedly called “Sir.”
It would be nice to have some way to report stuff like this. I would guess this guy was police or Homeland Security, and he is probably still sniffing around Occupy Boston.

In a different case Jamarhl Crawford, a longtime activist in Boston’s black community,very effectively organized Occupy the Hood Boston, drawing a crowd of 250 plus at an early meeting.
When he talked to Occupy Boston he felt he was slandered and called a thief,etc. For years he has administered an on-line grassroots newsletter, which would have been very useful for Occupy, but he was so offended that at present he will not even publicize Occupy events on his website which advance causes he is working on around the clock. I wasn’t there, but at the very least,he was unnecessarily disrespected. Seems like there should be some rule or convention about insulting people - a working group can decide not to share their bail fund for instance,with another Occupy group without vilifying the requester. Not having firm rules for meetings means its really easy to introduce negativity and division.

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By Bob Marston, February 25, 2012 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment
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Margaret and Kevin it was with shock and disappointment that I read the alarmist article that you have posted. While it contain both facts and misrepresentations it presents little in the way of historical facts or analysis of the police state. There are several good books on the topic all of which should be required reading for organizers and Radicals before they undertaking any form of organizing.

There is nothing in this article that is earthshaking or even new. It is clear to me what you have attempted to do is reveal infiltration and then use it as a basis to smear anyone that conducts an action or actions of which you do not approve. That in itself is chilling ! This article will stoke paranoia and needlessly erode trust within the Movement. In essence you have done the Police State a favor. Trust is commodity that is essential Movement Building. Paranoia makes a fertile feeding ground for Bad Jacketing.

Thanks for nothing !

I will respond in a more detailed fashion when the
second segment of this piece is released.


Bob Marston
member Occupy Oakland Labor Solidarity Committee

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By gerard, February 25, 2012 at 5:33 pm Link to this comment

What has happened and is still happening with both parties seems to indicate that the future lies somewhere outside party politics—that neither party has any freedom to act, and that the “polity” is trapped in a tug of war, the conceivable “rope”  having only two ends. My feeling is that changes are
only possible outside of party politics—which means “public” actions that not onliy protest, but manifest possibilities with explicit alternatives.
  Some explicit examples for action are already being practiced in many small, but determined and experienced nongovernmental organizations—Amnesty, prison reform, free speech, alternatives to violence, environmental health, equal rights, media reform, immigration reforms, child welfare, etc. etc. These organizations do not have much money to spend on promotion and so are not widely enough known, but their work is significant and wider membership participation would make them more viable.
  A large influx of new participants is possible due to increased awareness of the need for many changes.

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By thethirdman, February 25, 2012 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

Ardee,

Thanks for trying to belittle at every turn.  No wonder the left can’t affect change. 
And thank you for essentially repeating what I said.

I’m actually not against voting third party.  The Dems need to be smacked around
a little bit.  Look at the Tea Party.  No more than 10% of our DUMBEST citizens
have the GOP scared shitless.  They are literally changing the face of their party
and holding this country hostage.  Imagine what 40% of committed liberals could
do.  I don’t like the Dems, but if you hold them up side by side with the right,
there is simply no comparison.  Two party system sucks, but it seems that the
country is pretty divided right now down the middle.  Give the Dems a scare, but
for now, we still need them.

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By Tess, February 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment
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I recommend sitting down on the ground when this violence starts so only the agent will be standing and centered out. Tell everyone.

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By insert name here, February 25, 2012 at 11:47 am Link to this comment
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The best weapon against infiltration is clear, open and consistant practice of the princples of consensus democracy. Under consensus democracy, nothing can be imposed upon you, and no one has control over the occupation. When you see someone trying to be divisive or making personal attacks, you try to calm them down and reason with them. If they continue, you simply don’t talk to them. If they get violent (ie physically striking someone), you call the police. Basically you behave like an adult. And if you see someone who isn’t behaving like an adult, or isn’t being open and honest in their dealings it becomes clear what they are doing. It also helps to minimize the number of official “occupy” actions. Save those for meetings, big rallies, and official statements. If someone wants to do property destruction or something more “controversial”, they are free to go and do that, but it won’t be endorsed by the GA. Lastly, accept that there will inevitably be infiltrators, and that this is difficult for a reason.

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By Faith, February 25, 2012 at 11:45 am Link to this comment
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The Billionaires’ Choice, and Their Legacy

  (The Deciders Decide, and Hand Down Their Decrees)

Know your place, for you must plant the fields
and mine the coal, and when we have a war,
send us your sons, for someone’s sons must die…
you do not need to know the reason why

Just trust in us, just serve and carry on…
work makes you free, all else is ours alone

Christ asked us once, which side are you on?
For God or Mammon?  our craven answer’s known


...posted by a Christian believer in the social gospel of Jesus Christ

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 25, 2012 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

Ardee

This is what I see happening. In some states the Green Party will do well with Jill Stein and her numbers and organization. In others Rocky Anderson and the newly emerged Justice Party doing well.

So that despite the “progressive” blogs doing everything in their power to make both these campaigns invisible. Same as Democratic Party operatives.

Despite these pathetic attempts, they will fail.. We will prevail.

Rocky Anderson for president

Jill Stein for president

Take your pick progressives.. Who knows, maybe TruthDig may even allow and article about them. Firedoglake already does.

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By gerard, February 25, 2012 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

A lot depends on the “spiritual” integrity of OWS—how fast it learns the facts of the nation’s many problems, tensions and divisions,  the impact of religion, history and “unintended” consequences—and above all how to reconcile disagreements and maintain unity. Fortunately OWS consists of many well-educated, determined and strong young people equipped with skills necessary to make wise use of new communication technologies. (In this they more than match the present generation of “national managers.”)
Careful national interbranch communication will always be necessary,  but they can match the corporate powers in this, I think.  And certainly they have the courage. So far they are doing well.  I am hopeful.
  Thanks for this piece which shows inner struggles not made known in the craven “news media.”

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By bernadene, February 25, 2012 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

@ Lisa, well you’ve got it, but i obviously do NOT
need to tell you. 
  I was loath to ditch the Republicrats as i call’em
now, for a long time, not realizing how they are
working to keep the status quo. Then Clinton got in,
and well, enough said.
    The shills for the Dems on this thread are
smart, slick and convincing. But once you’ve got it,
you do and can see through their specious arguments
and smarmy talk…vilifying the Rethugs…[“Oh, they
really ARE on my side!”] then seducing with
“reasonable” talk. The mediocrity of the middle is
very appealing to those less informed, less angry,
less courageous, less disappointed, seems to me.
  Actually, FDR saved the Capitalist system we now
have. Perhaps another will do the same. But i don’t
think so, such is the power and moral degradation of
the greedy bastards. FDR is often quoted with saying
to the banksters that complained. “Listen, it’s only
ME between YOU and the pitchforks!”
  Well folks, the metaphorical pitchforks are on the
march and are in the form of the shield of truth, the
sword of courage, the POWER of the UN-ASSASSINATABLE
COLLECTIVE! To quote Margo Channing; “Fasten your
seat belts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride!”

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By Oliver, February 25, 2012 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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Occupy movement should set up their own security which would communicate with the police, identifies and takes down infiltration units and violent participants, and in case of unprovoked attacks by the police acts as a moderator.

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By rumblingspire, February 25, 2012 at 10:05 am Link to this comment
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The Dukes of Stratosphear-The Mole from the Ministry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-fL68DbcQ0

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By jms, February 25, 2012 at 9:23 am Link to this comment
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The list of “enemies of the movement” has grown somewhat large.  At first, it was the financially wealthy “1%”, but now it includes, according to this article:

Mosquitoes:

o Undercover law enforcement
o Persons pestering General Assemblies with “personal needs or issues”
o Homeless or emotionally disturbed individuals.
o Conservative bloggers and members of conservative websites on field trips to tweak OWS

People trying to fight perceived existing cooption:

o Those who criticize or challenge OWS leadership
o Those suspecting financial corruption and trying to “follow the money”

People trying to engage in violent cooption:

o Anarchists who incite property destruction and police conflict.

People trying to engage in peaceful cooption:

o Individuals and organizations linked to the Democratic Party
o Those who want to align the movement with the Democratic Party
o Those who want to engage in electoral politics at all

That’s a hell of a list of “infiltrators!”  Ignoring the mosquitoes, it seems that the movement is under constant attack both from individuals and groups trying to bring purpose to what appears from the outside to be a rudderless movement, and also from those who fear that the rich and powerful have already coopted the movement. 

Actually, following the money is a really, really good way to find out who actually holds power, and the vast majority of Americans do not want to replace or marginalize the government—they want to reform it one way or another.  So if being a Democrat, or Republican, or conservative, or anarchist, or union liberal makes you not part of the OWS mainstream, then OWS should drop the pretense of representing 99% of the American people because it’s about something else.

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By balkas, February 25, 2012 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

let’s note please that even political parties get infiltrated or on occasion split into two
political parties.
that was the case with federal NDP when one wing, aka Waffle was ousted from the
party because that wing was a bit more socialist than the other.
in case of NDP in B.C., many of its leaders were covert Liberals, who later left the
party.
but NDP in B.C. is still very strong and nationally it had not ever been as strong as
now. it has NOW 104 [I think] MP [member parliament] in the federal parliament.
but the price for that was paid, as NDP now supports israel, war/occupation in
afghanistan, etc.
it has now lost my vote because of that behavior.

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By pjhawke, February 25, 2012 at 9:14 am Link to this comment
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vincenyt sounds like a Democratic Party apologist.  Lisa Simeone raises valid points about the obvious problems with the Obama administration.  I would like to add that the Democrats have supported the corporate, neo-liberal free trade agenda, the repeal of Glass-Steagall and other financial regs which have helped destroy America’s middle class.  Their health care reform was designed more to protect the bottom lines of insurance companies than anything.  They seek out corporate campaign cash just like the Republicans.  They have been weak on serious campaign finance reform proposing only to nibble around the edges.  The only reason SOME Democrats now support a constitutional amendment to address the problem of corporate personhood and Citizens’s United is because people are demanding it via movements like Occupy and others.  The Democrats are part of the problem.  End of story.

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By prisnersdilema, February 25, 2012 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

There are also attempts at closing down web cites, and intimidating bloggers,
while censoring the internet.

The hallmark of counter intelligence is the use of personal attacks, rage, and
anger, focusing on creating pissing contests between bloggers, to deflect
attention away from issues.

The one per centers do not want people organizing in opposition to them, so they
will use what ever means necessary to interrupt and disable organizations they
view as a threat.

This tactic goes back a long way with biotech companies hiring infiltrators to
sabotage grass root organizations opposed to the continued adoption of GMO’s in
the nations food. They also use legislatures that they own to pass laws that inhibit
investigations by journalists of their corporate practices.

In addition they fund journalists to write favorable news stories about them, and
use their corporate owned media to ridicule those that speak out against them.

How many times have you seen slick commercials in the media touting large
corporations as caring about the environment, jobs, and the future of this
country.? When in fact those same corporations have done just the opposite.

The molding of public opinion is very important to them, to this end they will
engage in endless subterfuge to create positive views of their practices in the
publics eye.

These campaigns have been very successful in the past. For example big oils
campaign against global warming. Identifying so called pro global warming
scientists for endless ridicule, spreading disinformation, suppressing information,
and funding politicians to lead their campaign against Global Warming. 

As gas prices head to$6 a gallon, you can bet they will be right there to disable
efforts at conservation, derail clean energy alternatives, and spread
disinformation.

They have identified OWS, as their number one target. They don’t want any
change, and they will not give up political power willingly. 

At first they will try to persuade the public to turn against OWS, but in the
shadows they are working, to destroy it, and if they don’t succeed, then out will
come the fist.

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By balkas, February 25, 2012 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

no movement or an organization ever ruled an empire, country, or
county.
only a political party rules a country or at least has an effect on how a
country is governed.[that’s why they were not allowed for millennia]
and in an near-ideal supremacist [facsist/nazi] state like US, it is very
difficult to establish a political party that would for starters just ask for
rights to healthcare, knowledge, and true information.
that’s all, folks.  and no ideologies of whatever kind. avoid using isms
[yes even zionism, socialism] just stick with those three demands; or as i
say, rightful inheritance of ALL americans. thanks, bozhidar b.,
ideologue for the right TO KNOW, healthcare for all!

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By vincenyt, February 25, 2012 at 8:21 am Link to this comment

Lisa, Thanks for the info !
Please remember nothing is accomplished overnight. The politics at the local level deeply influence our national agenda. A president can only accomplish goals if there is support in Congress. The obstruction of Mitch McConnell and a few right wing Dems prevented seriously good legislation from being enacted. These Dems were ousted,Blanche Lincoln, Birch Bayh, etc. Unfortunately they were replaced by Tea Party Repubs. The agenda of these people is to destroy the ability of the Federal gov’t to regulate a “Free Market”, Pure Capitalist economy. They want to return power to the states as in pre civil war days.  That is how we got here. The god of the market and massive deregulation of corporate America tilted the playing field and screwed the average person.Democrats were just as guilty in this effort i the 90’s.  Republicans throughout the country are now blaming the working man, civil servants, teachers and unions as the reason for the sinking of the economy. All we need to do to hold these people accountable is to pay close attention to exactly what they are doing and hold them accountable for their action.

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By Lisa Simeone, February 25, 2012 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

vince,

I acknowledge that there are some differences on the
local level.  On the national level—none.

James Howard Kunstler pretty much hits every nail on
the head, and far more pungently than I can:

http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/02/the-choices-we-
make.html

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By vincenyt, February 25, 2012 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

Lisa,
Interesting that you should use the phrase “Bend over and spread em”. In Virginia, a Republican legislature and an evangelical Republican governor tried to enact legislation that would force a women seeking an abortion, in all cases, to undergo a trans vaginal ultrasound to dissuade her from her decision. This would be enforced even if the women’s doctor felt it unnecessary. This was fought wholeheartedly by all Dems and the women of Virginia forcing the Gov to back off slightly.  A third party as you suggest would be an admirable long term goal. The reality is that it takes organization and dedication on a massive scale to achieve this goal. There is not enough space in this comment to list all the heinous agendas the Republican radicals and their billionaire enablers are currently attempting to foist on the American people. They need to be stopped in 2012, then we can set about an agenda of long term change in this country. Otherwise, we will be cast backwards to the 19th Century.

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By thethirdman, February 25 at 6:18 am

At this point, changing the values of
one party seems more achievable than building a third party.

Spoken like someone who has never engaged in grassroots Democratic Party politics. As one who spent years within that system I am here to assure you that it is a rigid, top down organization with absolutely no ear at all for the wishes of its members.

Considering the slow but steady progress that the Green Party is making in gaining ballot access, coupled with the rightward swing of the Democratic Party and its increasing focus, not on the wishes or needs of the electorate, but on the campaign cash from the corporations that rule us all, I refute your assumption.

Look at the dissonance of Occupy.  It serves a valuable purpose as a forum, but it could never congeal enough to become a third party.

Nor is that its purpose! It serves to educate, enlighten and show that we are not isolated and alone. OWS is a stepping stone only, and you need a more thoughtful, less ego-centric approach to our problems and solutions.

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By Lisa Simeone, February 25, 2012 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

thethirdman,

Then the Dems need to feel threatened.  And so far,
they haven’t.

This is what the Democratic Party is saying to its
members:  “We’re going to take a dump on you.  We’re
going to take a dump on you as big as we want and as
often as we want.  And ya know what?  You’re going to
lap it up.  After all, where else you gonna go?”

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By thethirdman, February 25, 2012 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Lisa,
I don’t know that I would say it is impossible to “move the party.”  Look at what
knuckledraggers the GOP have become.  If many of the Dems ever felt genuinely
threatened, they might change their tune.  At this point, changing the values of
one party seems more achievable than building a third party.  Look at the
dissonance of Occupy.  It serves a valuable purpose as a forum, but it could never
congeal enough to become a third party.

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By Lisa Simeone, February 25, 2012 at 7:03 am Link to this comment

vincenyt,

I said “except for rare instances.”

Those rare instances aren’t enough to make up for all the other
sh*t the Dems are doing.  Obama is not only continuing, but
expanding, the worst abuses of the Bush administration.  But we’re
not supposed to notice because he’s “our” guy.  Talk about
hypocrisy.

And how conveniently people forget that the Dems were the
majority in Congress for four years—the last two under Bush and
the first two under Obama.  Yet they still managed to be as
spineless and corrupt as ever.

How far exactly do we have to bend over and spread ‘em before
people will wake up and quit supporting either of these two
parties?

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By vincenyt, February 25, 2012 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

Lisa,
If you cannot discern the difference between the Republicans and Dems, you are not paying attention. As a women especially, you should be appalled by the attacks on Womens rights by these hyper evangelicals driving that party. In many states, they are attacking workers rights to organize. They are privatizing prisons and schools. They are decimating environmental laws for oil and gas interests. I agree that there are many bad Dems but there is no comparison with the current vicious ideology of these radicals. People need to start paying attention.

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By Lisa Simeone, February 25, 2012 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

vincenyt,

It’s not just Republicans.  It’s also Democratic Party
apologists who are hurting the movement.  Sorry, but
except for rare instances, the Dems are just as corrupt
and just as regressive as the Repubs.

We cannot “move the party” to our side.  That’s been
tried and tried and tried and tried and tried.  And
failed.  It doesn’t work.  The Democrats are interested
in one thing:  holding onto power.  Not challenging the
oligarchy and not advancing the cause of Occupy.

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By really?, February 25, 2012 at 6:35 am Link to this comment
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This article comes off as naive. The examples used are mostly stories of police
undercover work, which is different than actual infiltration which is certainly
happening.  I have no doubt there are state saboteurs in the movement, but this
article does little to expose it and reads more like an unedited piece of protest
101.

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By vincenyt, February 25, 2012 at 6:11 am Link to this comment

The “Occupy” movement of last fall was a victory in that it awakened a mostly complacent populace to the gross inequities threatening the social fabric of our country. The deliberate pillaging of our economy by the wealthy, powerful interests has created an oligarchical society similar to that of a third world country. The progressive people in this country realize this and need to organize to oust from political office those that would continue to protect and empower the criminals plundering our wealth and our natural resources.
I hear from many progressives that ‘all politicians are the same’ or that we need a ‘third party’ or that we need to ‘throw them all out’. This is just a lazy persons excuse for not paying attention to the realities in the world and the country.  A movement such as “Occupy” can not exist in a vacuum. It can not just become a negative force, dispossessed from other progressive movements, with vague goals and objectives that will turn off many middle class people in the country. It will too easily co-opted or destroyed by infiltration, as described in the article. In unity there will be strength.
The movement needs to not be co-opted but to co-opt the principles of the democratic establishment. To use the resources of the existing organizations to move these organizations in the direction we need to go. This will not happen in two or three months , it will take several years of community organizing and pressure on those we select to represent us in the local, state and national legislatures.
The “Occupy” movement must be cognizant of the fact that a ‘clear and present’ danger threatens our liberties. That danger is the radical, reactionary vehicle that now is the Republican Party. Throughout the country, they are undermining the rights of workers, gays, women, voters and educators. They will, if allowed to gain complete power in 2012, do everything they can to destroy any popular movements challenging their power. The time to deny them that power is now ! Nothing must be done to allow this to happen, such as third party movements like “Americans Elect” which is being funded by Wall Street Hedge Funds ! The Republican radicals, empowered by an electoral victory, would do everything to eliminate government regulations on those who would plunder our economy, drive us into serfdom and destroy our environment.

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By charles, February 25, 2012 at 4:45 am Link to this comment
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Putting Democratic partiers and advocates of electoral
participation in the category of infiltrators is to
impose your views, which have not been adopted by
general assemblies, in place of the Occupy Movement’s.
There haven’t been any GA decisions to that effect in
Occupy Detroit. Democrats, unionists, including leaders
and electoral participation advocates have been part of
the Occupation from the beginning , and they are just
as much part of the Occupation as the authors.

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By Marian Griffith, February 25, 2012 at 2:19 am Link to this comment
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@ardee
And sadly, I am not amazed by this report.
The CIA has been pioneering and developing these tactics to discredit and destroy popular protest movements for decades now, in support of their pet dictators around the globe.
It is just the first time they have to apply them on a large scale at home.

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By bernadene, February 25, 2012 at 2:09 am Link to this comment

No one knows what will set the public aflame. Wael
Ghonim of Egyptian Uprising fame [Revolution 2.0]
stated if you had told him what would happen in Egypt a
year prior to J29 he would have told you to go see a
psychiatrist. Most Egyptians were members of what he
calls the “There Is No Hope” political party.
We will prevail. Occupy is here. We are the ones we
have been waiting for. They should have expected us, I
did; I just didn’t know when.

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By Not One More!, February 25, 2012 at 12:13 am Link to this comment

Don’t support the democrats. Obama and Clinton have betrayed us much worse than the republicans ever could. Vote third party.

“I’d rather vote for what I want and not get it than vote for what I don’t want, and get it.” - Eugene Debs

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By mrfreeze, February 25, 2012 at 12:04 am Link to this comment

This is precisely why the main tactic that OWS should use are well-organized strikes both general and targeted. When “nothing” gets done; when things are disrupted due to non-cooperation or simply not showing up….there’s nothing to infiltrate. The principles and values of the movement itself speak louder than any group trying to “occupy” physical space. It’s better to create a vacuum. The cynical, nasty fucks that own this country hate vacuums.

All in all, I don’t really hold out any hope that Americans will ever fight their corporate masters. They’re simply too afraid, too lazy and, frankly too stupid to see what’s coming down the road. They will find refuge, solace and (probably) enlightenment in the newest slave-manufactured device or other “thing” brought to them by some mega-store that pays nothing in taxes.

As George Carlin famously said: It’s a big club and you ain’t in it…...

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By Patty Murphy, February 25, 2012 at 12:04 am Link to this comment
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What is occupy? What are the goals and what is the purpose other than to display
public shows of anger and dismay at the inept functioning of government, which
has become ensured in the dark webs of corporate power with corrupted oversight
and thinly dissolving regulations. The laws which are supposed to protect us and
work for our betterment have become twisted into insidious programs we cannot
possibly see through or out of. How can we change this system? is it really a
system we are trying to change or is it the individual human beings who
participate in it?

Occupy is not a military, it isn’t regimented and formed into phalanxes and power
structures to disseminate truths to the world about what is going on not so
secretly in the heart of power. Occupy is the first signs of a collective awakening,
whether or not occupy as a brand name disappears or not is irrelevant, because all
the anger and all the power, and all the knowledge that has been gained through
this show of popular force remains, and can be ignited at any time providing the
injustices are great enough to merit such a show of force.

There is no such thing as splintering the movement, there is no collective
agreement other than we all recognize there is great error and wrongness
occurring and we are all being systematically manipulated and lied to about the
economic crisis, about American permanent wars to maintain hegemony, about
the endemic ecological crisis’s which are occurring now. All we can get from the
popular media is dumbed down binary arguments pitying one shallow notions
against the other like ‘tax is good’ ’ no tax is bad’ and these are people who hold
positions of power and Doctorites in economic theory, and this is why everything
is a fucking mess.

People as individuals need to be empowered, need to be made aware. Occupy is
one facet of this process, this isn’t an overnight or even a few years, this is the
future of collective democracy. We are hearing the birth pangs of a new society
founded on not just ideals but on the notion that the structures which govern our
everyday lives should be held to the highest standard of function. Money is
needlessly wasted because of old thinking, as long as the archaic power structures
remain then there will popular voices of dissent to protest and tear them down.
They are corrupt and broken, and this is being poorly addressed, or barely even
given notice or lip service by government and corporate officials. Because
ultimately the people in power are driven by their own personal greed and share
an ambivalence about citizens outside their circles of power; until it comes to
election time.

This is a permanent state of crisis and trying to make occupy some cohesive
structured entity will not work, it won’t matter though because occupy is just a
name, its the feeling of popular dissent, its the sense that something is wholly
wrong with our world and the power that keeps it in this vice grip of lethargic
decline. We don’t just need popular voices not he street, we need corporate and
government officials who share this realization, who are true patriots and believe
in the higher ideals they swore themselves to. There has been a large decline in
ethical standards over the past decades, and now that fruit is ripening and we see
the decay already set in.

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By Anonymous, February 24, 2012 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment
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lol V for Vendetta…
That’s epic fail guy, newfriends.

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By estie420, February 24, 2012 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment
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Sure, there’s infiltrators everywhere.

But I want to shed some light on the LA experience.

When the city offered us that deal, it was being pushed and negotiated by only a small number of participants in the occupy experiment.  At general assembly, it was repudiated outright.  I know, because I helped facilitate some of those assemblies.

Instead we offered the city this statement: http://losangelesga.net/2011/11/assembly-authored-city-response/

Additionally,  please don’t confuse dissent with sabotage.  Occupy LA has been going through a deep and thorough conversation and dialogue about privilege, reform and revolution, tactics, etc.  Yes, there’s been hyperbole and strife among certain groupings and individuals.  Some of it has been typical internet issues with reasoned critique taken as personal attack.  Some of it has been hyper-masculine posturing against faults in the volunteers of the movement.  However, some of it has been more alternate and marginalized voices making themselves heard, trying to gain a space in informational choke-points where some comrades have tempted to “mainstream” the image of the movement, or unevenly covered events and issues they disagree with or maybe aren’t as conscious of—like autonomous actions, issues around police brutality, or generally doing a poor job of covering the General Assembly. 

On Sue Basko…I think it’s important to note that this lady has never been to, never been known, and never seen at ever in Occupy LA.  She’s an online blogger who has tried to get occupy LA to hire her as a copy-right lawyer.  She argues that all events need to be permitted, and is adamantly against any sort of direct action not sanctioned or coordinated with the State.  She’s been consistently snitch-jacketing comrades, and in all honesty, is somebody that nobody knows who she is.  I highly doubt she’s even been to a General Assembly.

I encourage there be more dialogue and more debate around issues of privilege and marginalization of voices.  Yes we must beware of infiltration, it is the a problem in any movement.  But we also need to solidify our process, build community, educate ourselves, agitate, organize, and continue to build. 

-thanks

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By litlpeep, February 24, 2012 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

Finally, someone OUTS the pseudo ‘democratic’ party!

One can only suppose the Ds & Rs are determined to start a civil war instead of representing the nation.

Why else would they so much fear and hate public deliberations?

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By Annie Oakley, February 24, 2012 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment
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Democratic Party Co-optation: In Kalispell, Montana the local Democratic Party members arrange the offsite GA meeting place among themselves and others are not informed. They planned and implemented a street theater piece and cast Party members in those roles and kept the schedule of performances known only to them. They ‘disappear’ extra signs that are critical of the Democratic Party or Obama. They instruct participants not to discuss Obama or the Democratic Party when they hear someone being critical. They snub or ostracize those who they consider not in conformance with the Democratic Party message. In other words, they are using Occupy as an Obama campaign tool.

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By Textynn, February 24, 2012 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment
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Good video concerning manipulation of the masses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6qtGzRkK6o&feature=g-all-f&context=G2e30781FAAAAAAAAAAA

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By ardee, February 24, 2012 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

I am amazed, frankly, at the amount of infiltration this article discusses. I think it signals just how effective OWS could be potentially to attract so much sabotage so quickly.

Of course, one must mention the hot dog left on a park bench going to waste while so many starve. Feel better now,Hetero?

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