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Posted on Aug 16, 2010
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A Palestinian boy rides his bicycle next to a section of Israel’s barrier.

By Chris Hedges

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Falk, who taught international law at Princeton University, will issue a report to the United Nations this fall in which he will assert that the Israeli process of colonialism and apartheid has accelerated over the past three years. He will call in the report for the U.N. to consider unilaterally declaring Palestine an independent state, as it did with Kosovo. Falk cites as examples of Israeli colonialism the official 121 Jewish settlements, as well as roughly 100 “illegal outposts” in the West Bank, and the extensive network of roads reserved exclusively for Jews that connects the settlements to one another and to Israel behind the green line. He estimates, when “all restrictions on Palestinian control and development are taken into account,” that Israel has effectively seized 38 to 40 percent of the West Bank.

The punishing conditions imposed by the Israeli blockade of the 1.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza have been replicated for the roughly 40,000 Palestinians who live in “Area C,” the 60 percent of the West Bank that remains under complete Israeli military control. Save the Children, UK (STCUK), in a recent report called “Life on the Edge” argues that Israeli policies of land confiscation, expanding settlements, lack of basic services such as food, water, shelter and medical clinics are at “a crisis point.” The report concludes that food security problems are even worse than in Gaza. According to the report, “ ... Seventy-nine percent of communities surveyed recently don’t have enough nutritious food; this is higher than in blockaded Gaza where the rate is 61 percent.” Palestinian children growing up in Area C experience, according to the report, malnutrition and stunted growth at double the level of children in Gaza. Forty-four percent of these children were found to suffer from diarrhea, often with lethal effects. STCUK writes that “Israel’s restrictions on Palestinian access to and development of agricultural land—in an area where almost all families are herders—mean that thousands of children are going hungry and are vulnerable to killer illnesses like diarrhea and pneumonia.”

“Children are being forced to cross settlement areas and risk beatings and harassment by settlers, or walk for hours, just to get to school ... many children are losing hope in the future,” Jihad al-Shommali of the Defense for Children International Palestine Section was recently quoted as saying with reference to the problems of children in Area C.

Falk said, “This overall pattern suggests systematic violations by Israel of Article 55 of Geneva IV and Article 69 of the First Geneva Protocol of 1977 that delimits Israel’s obligations to ensure adequate provision of the basic needs of people living under its occupation, especially in Area C where it exercises undivided control.”

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The annexation of Palestinian territory has been reinforced by the construction of 85 percent of the separation wall—256 of a planned 435 miles has been completed—on occupied Palestinian territory. The barrier cuts the West Bank off from Israel and has been built in a configuration which plunges deep into the West Bank. The settlements and the land to the west of the wall, which makes up 9.4 percent of the West Bank, have already been absorbed into Israel. The seizure of nearly 40 percent of the West Bank includes Israeli control of most of the Palestinians’ water supply. The Jewish settlers in the West Bank are allotted per capita four to five times the amount of water allotted to Palestinians by the Israeli government.

The settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank violate Article 49(6) of Geneva IV, which prohibits the transfer of the population of an occupying power to the territory temporarily occupied. Israel’s stubborn rejection of the demand of Security Council Resolution 242 that it withdraw from Palestinian territories it occupied in 1967 creates, as Falk said, “a background that resembles, and in some dimensions exceeds, in important respects the situation confronting the government of Kosovo.”

“Lengthy negotiations have not resolved the issue of the status of Palestine, nor do they give any reasonable prospect that any resolution by negotiation or unilateral withdrawal will soon occur,” he said. “Under these circumstances, it would seem that one option available to the Palestine Liberation Organization [the Oslo Agreement empowered the PLO to negotiate international status issues] acting on its own or by way of the Palestinian Authority under international law would be to issue a unilateral declaration of status, seeking independence, diplomatic recognition and membership in the United Nations. The recent Kosovo advisory opinion of the World Court in The Hague provides a well-reasoned legal precedent for such an option.”


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By Arabian Sinbad, August 16, 2010 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment

It is not only formalizing Israel’s land grab, but also sanctioning the Israeli state-terrorism and apartheid against the helpless natives of Palestine by political-military America, which I am now one of its citizens, forced through my tax-payer money to participate in the crimes of the people whom I was once one of them.

This is more than any normal decent human being has ever bargained for! But because there are few decent conscientious Americans of the likes of Chris Hedges, I am even willing to give the majority of Americans a pass as to their non-willful association with the crimes of their political-military leadership. After all, all politics, especially in a so-much bragged about democracy, are about expediency, deception and arrogance in the service of Mammon!

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By Inherit The Wind, August 16, 2010 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

rosross, shingo and john ellis:

You all come up with excuses for why it’s OK to hate Jews. 

I do not deny that there have been other holocausts, though neither Christians nor Moslems cannot remember a time when half of their numbers in the world were slaughtered.  Armenians, Roma, Rwandans share that sadness—only in your bigoted minds to you think no Jew cares about them.

The behavior of the Chasidic Jews to insulate themselves from outsiders falls on Jew and Gentile alike.  To them, you, as a Gentile, don’t know better, but I, as a Jew, unless I accept their total dominance, am an abomination.  Funny, they sound JUST like the Wahabists and Pat Robertson Christians.  Do you likewise condemn all Moslems and Christians the way you so readily condemn all Jews?

And, while I have NO idea were John Ellis got the idea that the Jews in Venezuela own 30% of, what was it, all the media, why does THAT justify physical attacks on them in the streets?  That is supposed to solve…what is it supposed to solve.

I am no blind defender of Israeli actions, in particular the latest disgusting series of acts by the Netanyahu government.  Yet the rising call here that Israel is an abomination, an outlaw state and the ALL Jews are therefore collaborators in that state’s “atrocities” are equally guilty is no different than the arguments Hitler used to justify ratcheting up fear, hatred and finally, organized mass murder.

Please spare me your cries of outrage.  I am too much a student of history NOT to know exactly how Hitler achieved power and incremental evolutionary steps to bring about his “final solution” to “the Jewish problem.”

Those steps are the same.  You want to attack the policies of the Netanyhu government and the Likud? Fine, I’m with you on that.  But if you want to drag up all the old stereotypes of “rich Jews” and “International bankers” with the implicit accusation that ALL Jews are guilty you are only one step away from the infamous “Blood Libel” that STILL crops up in the middle East today.

Yeah, Jewish paranoia is real—just because we are paranoid doesn’t mean you all aren’t out to get us.  Your threatening words, condescending analysis of the “Jewish” character, and justifications for attacks on Jews in Venezuela proves my point.

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By Money is funny, August 16, 2010 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

I tried to read The Middle East Conflict for Dummies once and it went way over my head in the first chapter. The history in that region reads like the bible.

This is a very provocative subject. We have been only getting one side of this story reported here in the U.S. That is why I am appreciating this article.

Maybe Hilary should go there with the reset button.

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By rosross, August 16, 2010 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

Shingo,
We ignore history at our peril. Sadly, when a group becomes a focus then all members of that group suffer even when they have not been involved. All Germans did not support the Nazis; all Japanese did not support their country’s actions but all suffered the outcome of those actions. Just as all Americans and citizens of allied countries have to accept responsibility for the more than a million dead Iraqis and the atrocities committed in iraq and afghanistan.
It isn’t fair but it is understandable. So-called anti-semitism has long been influenced by other things. In Russia for instance, Trotsky and Marx were Jewish and Lenin had Jewish ancestors so the revolution was seen by those on the other side as a Jewish plot; Jews in Germany and Poland for instance were often both powerful and rich ... as they were in England (not my lot, poor as church mice)and there is no doubt that the way Jews ‘set themselves apart as a group, whether practising or lapsed in religious terms’ was resented by the wider community and the richer they were the more it was resented.
American Jews are probably more at risk than Jews anywhere else in the world today, other than Israel, because while making up a tiny percentage of the population they are over-represented in terms of political power and wealth. I have heard a lot of resesntment expressed when I have spent time in the State. It doesn’t matter that the majority of Jews are not wealthy or powerful; they end up being tarred with the same brush. From what I can see the majority of Jews do support, by commission more than omission, the abuses of Israel.
Jews would be ‘threatened’ if America did go down the economic plughole and social cohesion was seriously damaged. But, they would not be threatened because of anti-semitism but because of their actions.
It would be no different if you replaced Jain with Jewish or Moslem in America…. or for that matter if they were Chinese or Japanese. Because of the over-representation of the group and its unreasonable power, any group which set itself apart would be seen in the same way.
If you look at Asia you see similar attitudes to the Chinese who also see themselves as superior and set themselves apart: Malaysia, Singapore etc.
It is not about being Jewish it is about seeing yourself as superior and refusing to assimilate. And sadly, in the case of all it is about a small percentage gaining great wealth and wielding power… this belief in gaining wealth and power and using it in the host community is found not just in Jews… the Jains are the same and so are the Chinese; the Indians in various African countries ... any group which, for whatever reason, sees true assimilation, inter-marriage in the broader community as something to be avoided at all costs.
What a lot of people, including Jews, do not know is that Hitler actually said the Jews could leave but most were too poor to do so and wealthy Jews, both in Germany and the world, refused to provide money for them to leave. So they remained trapped. The ‘final solution’ was the result of the actions of many including the Nazis, the jewish community both in Germany and internationally and the leaders of the nations of the world.
As always it was the ‘little people’ who generally suffered. The rich, when times became desperate, could often get themselves out.
The fact that German Jews did not ‘see’ what might be coming is indicative of the inbred threat of such communities; they live in such a ‘bubble’ within but not a part of the greater community, that they really have no idea of what is going on outside their small, insular world.
But again I stress, this is not Jewish. The Jains of Antwerp, a group I know well, would be just as ‘shocked’ and ‘surprised’ to find themselves in the same place for exactly the same reasons.

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By Shingo, August 16, 2010 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

By rosross, August 16 at 10:41 pm
“Hardly, for the Jews in Venezuela are among the 30% upper-class who own 70% of all the wealth, including 70% of all media.”

Good point Rossross.  Interesting how ITW failed to mention that this was the very media that supported the failed coup against Chavez in 2002 and that in the US or Israel, such actions would be considered treason.  Instead, we are told that this is all about the persecution of Jews.

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By rosross, August 16, 2010 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

Hardly, for the Jews in Venezuela are among the 30% upper-class who own 70% of all the wealth, including 70% of all media. 

One of the other problems Jews face, again, coming from their religion is the belief in their exceptionality… if not superiority.  A Jewish psychiatrist, whose name I forget and which has probably been expunged from the pages of history, dared to say that Jews had to look at the part they played in what happened to them in Nazi Germany.

There is no such thing as perfect innocence. There are always reasons why things happen as they do and why groups are singled out. Any group which sets itself apart, particularly if it sets itself apart because it believes it is special, read superior, will, in certain times, be more likely to become a focus point in a disaffected society.

I don’t condone this; merely say it is what can happen. I remember living in Antwerp years ago and seeing the Hasidic Jews who have lived in the same suburb for some 600 years and yet who remain separate from Belgian society. They dress differently and they refuse to participate in the life of the greater Belgian community. Naturally there is resentment on the part of the Belgians particularly when they see the wealth that the community earns from the country. This isn’t particular to Jews. The Indians in Belgium do the same thing for similar reasons. Most of the Indians are from the Jain religion which has some similarity of views in terms of how they see themselves with Jews… exceptional in comparison to the greater Hindu community.
Anyway, the point is, if you set yourself apart and refuse to assimilate… for whatever reason, religious or cultural… you will be seen as ‘other.’ The richer you are the worse it becomes. Not only do you refuse, deign, to become a part of the greater (inferior) community but you draw your wealth from it… wealth which in the main you use to support your own community, and, in the case of Jews your fellow religious followers in a country far away.
So, you are separate because you see yourself as different (read superior because that is what it is at core); you are wealthy because of what the country in which you live has to offer (while many in the wider community are poor) and your loyalty lies not with the country in which you live and which has made you rich and in which you may have been born but in a country far away… Israel or India! Little wonder that simmering resentment over decades or centuries, when times are tough, turns to hatred.
Again, I am not condoning merely explaining.

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By babycatajesus, August 16, 2010 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

nefesh: “Hedges is earning a living demonizing Israel and any Jew who stands up for the right of the Jews to self-determination in their homeland. An uglier persona and complementary countenance is hard to find. May he rot in Hell when he gets there”.

Quite frankly nefesh – sadly the allegorical Hell you speak of exists Right Here, Right Now, and is the manifestation of the inhumanity of Man against Man.

Chris (Christ?) Hedges is the complete antithesis of your Christo-Judea nightmare, your fabricated fantasy.

So what the fuck are you? 

Human only in appearance I suspect, just like the rest of your warmongering ilk!

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By rosross, August 16, 2010 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

John Ellis,

The separation of church and state came from the English. It was mentioned in the Magna Carta in the 12th century.
It was taken up by other nations like the US but the English were responsible for much of the foundation of the democratic system which we inherited. The French introduced a few democratic principles as well and more recent nations have dabbled with it all to come up with their own systems.
The US was founded by religious refugees and religion has always played a more powerful role in the US. Australia on the other hand was founded by convicts and free settlers with very few religious refugees…. mostly German ... and that is probably why religion has never played much of a part politically or socially.
The American system is not a true democracy… but I am sure you know that. And with your presidential system, ironically you elect a ‘king’ every four years. The US system in many ways is the least democratic in the developed world because it is so skewed toward the welfare of the rich.
I am not sure the US is the most plundering and greedy the world has known but it is probably the most destructive in ecological and human terms simply because of it’s excessive use of resources and its dependence on the military industrial complex ... waging wars, creating coups, propping up dictators and tyrants and generally killing and destroying at greater levels because of the capacity of modern arms to do so.

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By rosross, August 16, 2010 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

Inherit the Wind,

You are right that Israel’s actions impact on Jews everywhere and the Jewish community has been remiss in not taking action to bring justice to the Palestinians and therefore, as members of the Jewish religion, which is represented by the State of Israel, they will and should be held accountable.
But let’s get it in perspective. You used the word paranoid and that is just the point…. Judaism as a religion is inclined to paranoia. One only has to stand in front of the Wailing Wall and listen to what is said to know that Judaism has kept paranoid records of ‘persecution’ for millenia. In psychological terms the religion has never gotten over a ‘bad childhood.’ And I would add, the sort of bad childhood which many religions, races and peoples have also had.
The Romanies, or gypsies have experienced exactly the same sort of persecution as Jews… and still do… and still do not have a homeland… but they are not as paranoid because they do not have a paranoid religion to keep them in this state. On a percentage basis more gypsies were killed by the Nazis than Jews.
And today we have persecution of Moslems who are associated with the actions of Moslem groups. The ‘blaming’ of Moslems is less fair than the ‘blaming’ of Jews because many Jews do support the war crimes and human rights abuses of the Jewish State while many Moslems do not support the actions of Islamic groups or States.
There is nothing particular about Jewish ‘persecution’ historically. Ask the Cathars. Well, you can’t because they were all killed. Ask Moslems in India or christians in India or Buddhists in China or Moslems in China or Moslems in Russia or Hindus in Sri Lanka.
What is exceptional to the jews is their belief that they and they alone are singled out and have been singled out through history. It is a myth. Any study of history shows many groups were singled out either because of religion in the case of the jews and others or race because of the gypsies, Armenians and others or because of tribe as in Rwanda.
Jews have lived safely around the world for millenia…. my Jewish ancestors lived peacefully in England for a few hundred years before poverty sent them to Australia where sensibly my great-grandfather married out and that was the end of that.
If Jews are under threat in the US today it is only because most American Jews have supported by omission or commission, the war crimes and human rights abusesof Israel. They have only themselves to blame. And those who did not support it have simply not done enough to stop it.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 16, 2010 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

And that’s how ‘jews’ get rich. They just keep on robbing us and complaining about how bad we are.
So, watch out ‘jews’, muslims, you cannot do this to us forever! tnx

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Balkas shows his true colors with a threat.  And you all wonder why Jews are paranoid?  Because sooner or later the Balkases of the world get together and decide to “stop” Jews from doing “this to us”.  And somehow, it always involves violence.

When the unreasonable hate-filled minds assume that ALL Jews do this, regardless of contrary evidence, Jews get frightened and paranoid.  Why not? It’s already happening in places like Venezuela, where Jews who have little or nothing to do with Israel and are a tiny minority (75,000) are facing abuse and attacks—because of people like Balkas.

I cannot and will not defend the actions of the current torah-orthodox loonies running Israel. I see them making EVERYTHING worse for Jews in Israel, for Arabs in Israel, for Arabs in the West Bank, and for Jews in other countries.

Common sense has foundered on the rocks of religious fanaticism, on both sides.

But I’m not an Israeli. I’m an American and look to protect MY country first from the hate and evil pervading it from the anti-Mexican laws in Arizona to the anti cultural center in downtown Manhattan, to the anti-Gay legislation in California.

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By rosross, August 16, 2010 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

Well done Shingo. The heartening thing is that in recent years most people in the world (outside of Israel and the US although Americans are becoming better informed) know the truth of what Israel is and what Israel has done and what Israel continues to do. The lies and propaganda in which Israelis and so many of their supporters live is being shown for what it is by people like you and millions of others around the world who now access and read more truth than lies.
The only hope Israel has and by the day that hope gets less because of Israel’s actions, is by the Israelis and their supporters facing the truth and dealing with that truth instead of living in the fantasy land of victimhood and persecution which, if it were found in a single person, as opposed to a State, would have them immediately committed to a mental asylum to protect them from themselves and to protect others from them.
It is the truth, no matter how painful, which sets us free. The internet means the truth, both in words and pictures, is flashed around the world and there is absolutely nothing Israel or its supporters can do about it.

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By omygodnotagain, August 16, 2010 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

Shingo
How can we get you on television, we need someone like you to debunk this propaganda.. and smarten up the brainwashed masses

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By Shingo, August 16, 2010 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

By nefesh, August 16 at 4:01 pm,
“Because Israel is the one place in the world where Jews do not have to depend
on anyone else for their security.”

Please enlighten us Nefesh and explain how Jews in the US have to rely on anyone else for their security?

Please explain how where Jews do not have to depend on anyone else for their security in Israel, when Israel relies entirely on US largesse for it’s military?

And when you’re done with that, please explain why most of the world Jews refuse to live in Israel if the security of Jews is only assure in Israel?

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By Shingo, August 16, 2010 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

By nefesh, August 16 at 2:32 pm
“Are you confusing Israel and Israeli citizens with the residents of the disputed
West Bank territories and Gaza?”

The only people who refer to to occupied terrorise as disputed are Zionist propagandists. No one disputes the status of these territories, They all lie outside of Israel’s recognized borders.

By nefesh, August 16 at 2:32 pm
“The Jews are the overwhelming majority in Israel today, and they wish to keep it that way. “

In which case, let’s stop pretending that Israel is a democracy.

By nefesh, August 16 at 2:32 pm
“Recent history shows they are not capable of that today, unfortunately.”

Recent history has shown that Israel will not allow a Palestinian state to exist, unfortunately.

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By Shingo, August 16, 2010 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

By nefesh, August 16 at 2:32 pm
“No answer to the disappearance of the Jewish community of Baghdad?  Syria?
Beirut? Yemen? Tunisia? Cairo?”

They migrated to Israel, hence no more community.

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By Shingo, August 16, 2010 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

By nefesh, August 16 at 2:26 pm
“You know, there are people who have no association with AIPAC or an Israeli
consulate (ha) who just appreciate Israel and her people, and do not want to
see this incessant war thrust upon her. Can you believe that?”

Um, what war might that be?  Israel has started every war since 1948, with the exception of 1973, which was a hangover of the 1967 war that Israel stated anyway.

By nefesh, August 16 at 2:26 pm
“By asserting that I have written nothing but lies, do you deny that there were
850,000 Jews made refugees from their homes in Arab countries in 1948?”

Exactly. That lie has already been debunked.  Those 850,000 Jews were Mizrahi Jews who to this day consider the description of “refugees” to be an insult.

By nefesh, August 16 at 2:26 pm
“you deny that Israel, as a sovereign state, cannot be expected to commit
national suicide should the majority of her citizens so choose?”

Israel is already committing national suicide through it’s expansionist policies, which make a 2 state solution impossible.  Both Barak and Olmert have warned of this outcome.

By nefesh, August 16 at 2:26 pm
“ Do you deny the prima facia unfairness in waging war against Israel in the name of yet
another (22 and counting) Arab/Muslim state at the expense of the world’s
only Jewish state?”

Who is waging war against Israel?

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By Shingo, August 16, 2010 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

By sharonsj, August 16 at 1:40 pm
“Why even call Hedges a journalist?  He uses the word apartheid to characterize Israel, but it’s the Palestinians and other Arab countries which are actually apartheid.  So right off the bat he doesn’t even know what the word means.”

OK, so let’s see what people who do know the meaning of apartheid have to say about Israel.

Nelson Mandella, who was imprisoned under apartheid says Israel is apartheid.

Desmond Tutu, who sufferered under apartheid and fought it, says Israel is apartheid.

Henry Siegman, formerly national director of the American Jewish Congress, writes: ‘‘As a result … Israel has crossed the threshold from ‘the only democracy in the Middle East’ to the only apartheid regime in the Western world.’‘

The father of apartheid South Africa,  described Israel as an apartheid state in 1961.

By sharonsj, August 16 at 1:40 pm
“Egypt is building a separation wall that is deliberately not mentioned while bashing Israel for its separation wall.”

Correction:  The US Army Corp of Engineers, is building a separation paid for by the US on behalf of Israel.

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By Shingo, August 16, 2010 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

By nefesh, August 16 at 12:51 pm
“Jeez, how thick can you be. The Jews do not want a ‘one state’ solution. They
want - and deserve (and have) - independence based on self-determination.  It’s called Israel.”

Israel is creating a ‘one state’ solution through their colonialist entho-centric supremacist expansionism. 
Ironically, it is the right wing Israelis, even Liberman, who are entertaining the idea of a single state solution.

By nefesh, August 16 at 12:51 pm
“It’s the historic and very real homeland of the Jewish people, and there’s only one.”

False.  It has never been the exclusive historic homeland of the Jewish people.  It was the historic homeland of other people before the Jewish people and it became the historic homeland after most of the Jewish people left.

By nefesh, August 16 at 12:51 pm
“You won’t live to see it created on the ashes of another 6 million Jews, however.”

The Palestinians had no tole in the Holocaust.

By nefesh, August 16 at 12:51 pm
“For you to maintain that Israel must be destroyed is simply advocating
genocide.”

And who is maintaining that Israel must be destroyed?  22 arab states have offered to recognize Israel as per the 1967 borders, and even normalize relations with Israel.  Israel continues to reject the offer.

By nefesh, August 16 at 12:51 pm
“By the way, you need to address the 850,000 Jews dispossessed and expelled from their homes in Arab countries if you seek redress for the Arabs.”

That’s easy.  It’s all BS.  People don’t get expelled over a period 30 years.  Nearly all of those 850,000 migrated to Israel willingly to colonize Palestine.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=329736

It doesn’t help when you conflate Zionist myth with actual history.

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By Shingo, August 16, 2010 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

By nefesh, August 16 at 12:38 pm
“ Hedges is earning a living demonizing Israel and any Jew who stands up for
the right of the Jews to self-determination in their homeland.”

It’s not their homeland, it’s their state, and it happens to be a state that is violating international law, the Geneva conventions and countless UN Resolutions.

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By Shingo, August 16, 2010 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

By walterbard, August 16 at 10:40 am
“The green line was never a border.  it could have been in return for a peace treaty but the arab states refused.”

False.  There was no treaty prosed and what’s more, Israeli leaders had already set their sights on the West Bank and Jerusalem.  They weren’t going to sign an imaginary treaty either.

By walterbard, August 16 at 10:40 am
“They vowed to destroy Israel. In 1967 during the 6 day war Jordan violated the armistice line by attacking Jerusalem despite that fact that Israel was not at war with Jordan and told the king so. It was Jordan that was land grabbing.”

Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room.  Israel had just attacked Egypt and taken the Sinai.  Jordan came to Egypt’s defense.  Israel also attacked Syria shortly afterwards.

By walterbard, August 16 at 10:40 am
“At anytime between 1949 and 1967 a palestinian state could have created, but jordan
annexed that territory,and no one called the West Bank occupied territory then, least of all the so-called Paletinians”

1.  There were 750,000 Palestinian refugees who wanted their homes back.  By accepting a Palestinian state at that stage would have been an acceptance that this private property was now the property of Israel.
2.  During the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank, no homes were demolished, no Palestinians were being massacred, no check points, no ethnic cleansing was taking place.

By walterbard, August 16 at 10:40 am
“ THAT CHARTER HAS NEVER BEEN AMMENDED, despite claims to the contrary.”


Nor have the charterers of all Israel’s political parties, which explicitly reject the notion fo a Palestinian state.

By walterbard, August 16 at 10:40 am
“To debunk all of Hedges’s ranting and raving of half truths and no truths at all would
take 500 pages. Suffice to say that Hedges is a liar.”

You can’t debunk facts with lies, even 500 pages of lies.

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By rosross, August 16, 2010 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

Religiously defined states are racist and backward. There is no future for a Jewish state because it is discriminatory in the same way there is no future for Islamic States. The separation of Church and State laid the foundation for the civilized world. If Israel wants to remain a part of the backward world community it will just sow the seeds of its own destruction. The only way a country called Israel might just possibly survive is as one state with equal rights for all. However, given the atrocities committed by Israel against its indigenous people even now it is unlikely that the Palestinians in such a state would want to live under such a name. Palestinians have justice, time and numbers on their side…. Israel has none of these. Sadly the Israelis have probably destroyed their State already. There will be one state and it will be called Palestine and jews, like christians and muslims and rastafarians for that matter can decide if they want to live there.

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By rosross, August 16, 2010 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

secretarybird,
Religions do not have land rights. If they did then the Jewish land rights would be Iraq (Mesopotamia in the past where the Hebrews originated) and Christian land rights would be Palestine where christianity originated. More to the point, any followers of the old Goddess religion, Minerva in particular, would have rights to London and most of England, which the followers of that religion founded and settled. And Buddhists would have rights to India.
So, Jews, as followers of a religion have absolutely no rights to land anywhere. Judaism is not a race and not a nation and it never was, anymore than christianity, islam, hinduism, buddhism or jainism are races or nations.
Israel exists as a colonial state imposed on the land and people of Palestine in exactly the same way that the United States, Australia, South Africa, Canada and New Zealand were founded. Like those nations Israel has no choice but to either return to its original borders, UN mandate, which are not moral but might be legal, and return the rest of Palestine to its indigenous people, or, do what all of the other historically recent colonisers have done and create one state with equal rights for all regardless of race or religion. In fact, the latter is exactly what will be ultimately forced on Israel. At which point, like South Africa, the colonisers are unlikely to have much of a future and will find homes elsewhere and, given the Palestinian majority no doubt the name of the one state will be returned to Palestine and Israel will be no more than a disasterous experiment in Middle Eastern and world history.

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By omygodnotagain, August 16, 2010 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

There is one indisputable fact, someday Israel has to live with 300 million Arab/Persian/Egytian neighbors and over a billion Muslims.
The US and its Bible loving Protestant will not always be powerful.  I once believed Jews were the chosen people By their actions I now believe what the Cathars believed in the 11 century that the God of the Old Testament was Satan and the God of the New Testament, the God of Love is the real one.

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By eyewitnesstocrime, August 16, 2010 at 4:08 pm Link to this comment
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words and a few more words,reality,the lost child.Shoe on the other foot,WE create this madness,you seek peace through war.

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By omop, August 16, 2010 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

So the core of the Dershowitz’s, Kagan’s and selected others now merit being called antisemitic?

 
Harvard University cuts its losses and dumps all investments in Israel

Excerpt.

by Paul Woodward on August 16, 2010

Did the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions for Palestine movement just make a historic advance? Harvard University has sold close to $40 million of shares in Israeli companies:

  In another blow to Israeli shares, the Harvard Management Company notified the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) on Friday that it had sold all its holdings in Israeli companies during the second quarter of 2010. No reason for the sale was mentioned. The Harvard Management Company manages Harvard University’s endowment.

  Harvard Management Company stated in its 13-F Form that it sold 483,590 shares in Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd. (Nasdaq: TEVA; TASE: TEVA) for $30.5 million; 52,360 shares in NICE Systems Ltd. (Nasdaq: NICE; TASE: NICE) for $1.67 million; 102,940 shares in Check Point Software Technologies Ltd. (Nasdaq: CHKP) for $3.6 million; 32,400 shares in Cellcom Israel Ltd. (NYSE:CEL; TASE:CEL) for $1.1 million, and 80,000 Partner Communications Ltd. (Nasdaq: PTNR; TASE: PTNR) shares for $1.8 million.

Some commentators plausibly argue that Harvard’s decision was purely financial and not a political decision. Indeed, were it actually an explicit act of divestment there would surely have been a carefully crafted statement explaining their decision.

Even so, the effectiveness of the BDS movement may well depend less on persuading capital to move with principal (it never does) but on companies, institutions, artists and other players coming to the self-interested conclusion that doing business with Israel is bad for business.

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By marvelous, August 16, 2010 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

Jews are not colonialist in this area. That is an ignorant comment. I assume you missed world history.

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By drbhelthi, August 16, 2010 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

“Because Israel is the one place in the world where
Jews do not have to depend on anyone else for their
security.”  says Nefesh.

Fine.
We can withdraw the Zionist infiltrators from the
U.S. Congress, return AIPAC pimps to Miami and Los
Angeles,
return the 300 Nukes to the U.S., return the U.S.
armada that flanked one “israeli” warship thru the
Suez, and discontinue the 15 million US dollar,
daily stipend to “israel.”

“- israel is the one place in the world where Jews
do not have to depend on anyone else for their
security.”

I fail to recall a word that describes such ignorant
stupidity.

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By secretarybird, August 16, 2010 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

“There is no similarity to South Africa and Israel. This area has been a homeland to Jews for hundreds of years.”

South Africa has been homeland to Afrikaners, and other European colonists, for hundreds of years, too.

What was wrong was the colonists’ belief that they were superior to the other ethnic groups who also occupied that land.

And that is the similarity between Israel and apartheid South Africa.

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By Sodium-Na, August 16, 2010 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

I suggest to all Jews,Zionizts and Gentiles,who have no clear idea how Zionism operates,to google the following two names:

Google: Lavon Affairs.

Google: Naeim Giladi.

You will get plenty of information,from different sources.

Extrapolate accordingly…...

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By marvelous, August 16, 2010 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

There is no similarity to South Africa and Israel. This area has been a homeland to Jews for hundreds of years. Yes there have also been other ethnic groups there as well. I support a Jewish homeland. I am Jewish and no , I am not a Zionist. If you believe that there is a not a concerted interest and effort for many Muslim leaders, Palestinians and Arabs to kill or enslave the Jewish people you must be very naive. Palestinians do have a right to a homeland too. But for Jewish people to open up Israel to to dominated by non-Jews would be opening up the opportunity for the genocide of the Jewish people. Israel is a very small country, there is much land around them. There is plenty of land for the Palestinians. I say acknowledge Israels right to exist in peace and security and focus on building a Palestinian country not on the back of everything that Israel has accomplished but on your own culture. Israel needs to secure it’s borders. If you don’t believe this, then you have really haven’t read history. Peace and security and goodwill to all.

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By secretarybird, August 16, 2010 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

“...the Jews are a nation bound by much more than religious identification”.

So are the Irish. And the French, and the Chinese.

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By balkas, August 16, 2010 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

The more cultists call me names, including being anti-semitic the more i rejoice.

First of all nobody can be biologicly-neurologicly anti any human being—one can be only [and my and your nervous system would not forgive me if i wasn’t]against what ‘jews’ do to palestinians.

And, yet, a ‘jew’ [or all ‘jews’?] is a cultist first and as much a cultist as a pole or italian would be if one would forever assert that one is catholic, while not mentioning one is of latvian, irish, austrian, et al origin.

It is of utmost import to determine symbolic value of the word jew, catholic, muslim.

If an iraqi lives much or solely by commands of the quran, s/he is abrogating her/his humanity. In other words, s/he may most likely deem self first of all muslim and then husband, dad, mother, iraqi.

This type of thinking reverses the natural and sane order of evaluating: being or becoming human first of all and lastly a muslim, jew, catholic, hindi, bahai, protestant.

One cannot forever in business behave like a human with humans and then in secret or open behave like a muslim, ‘jew’, catholic, et al with latter being real and the first total or near-total fake.

In short live by priestly command: be with them but not of them!  Or in other words, unite whereever you can against impious and promote pious.
And that’s how ‘jews’ get rich. They just keep on robbing us and complaining about how bad we are.
So, watch out ‘jews’, muslims, you cannot do this to us forever! tnx

This analyses pertains to all pious people or even impious if they have any connection whatever with these cultist.

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By secretarybird, August 16, 2010 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

“Because Israel is the one place in the world where Jews do not have to depend
on anyone else for their security.”

Why can Jews not depend on others for their security? I depend on my country’s defence forces. My country depends on treaties with other countries for its security. Such security has nothing to do with religion or tribal origin.

Are Jews under any threat now in the USA or Europe, that would prevent them relying on the same protections all other citizens of those states rely on?

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By RayLan, August 16, 2010 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Hate to interrupt the flame war - we can see how volatile this issue is - but to brand anybody who defends the Palestinian rights to their own nation a Jew-hater- is as simple-minded as claiming anybody who criticizes Obama is a racist or anybody who disagress with American foreign policy hates America and on and on…

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By nefesh, August 16, 2010 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

By secretarybird, August 16 at 3:27 pm

Dear nefesh

“The Jews are the
overwhelming majority in Israel today, and they wish to keep it that way.”

Why do they wish to keep it that way?

Since you made a comparison to the Irish experience, I thought I would point
out that the Jews are a nation bound by much more than religious
identification. I understand that most Israeli Jews are secular, as I am.
Nevertheless, all the attributes of national identity apply at least as much as to
any nation in the world, and in most cases, more so. I would not want you to
misunderstand an argument as being based on modes of religious observance
or concepts of God. That would be to miss the point entirely. Judaism is a
belief system that offers so much without a litmus test as to one’s piety. I am a
Jew who does not believe in a God, but I am Jew who practices rituals because
it is one of the cultural glues that connect us to each other and to other Jewish
communities around the world and in Israel, and to our history - and our
future, of course.  smile

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By nefesh, August 16, 2010 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment

By secretarybird, August 16 at 3:27 pm

Dear nefesh

“The Jews are the
overwhelming majority in Israel today, and they wish to keep it that way.”

Why do they wish to keep it that way?

Because Israel is the one place in the world where Jews do not have to depend
on anyone else for their security. You might want to read up on Theodore Herzl
and the his founding of the First Zionist Congress. At the end of the 19th
century, it became clear to Herzl - an Austrian Jew who was a journalist and
trained as an attorney - that rising antisemitism in an age of nationalism
needed to be addressed. The specter of the Dreyfuss affair in France convinced
him that no matter how assimilated Jews became, they would always be at the
mercy of the larger society in which they live. He was right. 40 years later, the
most assimilated Jews in the world - in Germany - were annihilated, along with
almost all of the rest of European Jewry.  It is often assumed that the modern
State of Israel was created because of the Holocaust, but this is wrong. The
foundations for the state were established decades before Hitler came to
power. What the slaughter of 6 million Jews taught us is that self-
determination for the Jewish nation was a historical imperative and a historical
necessity. Israelis understand this, as do Jews around the world (Chomsky et.
al. excepted). One must also understand the incredible historical, cultural, and
spiritual connection to 3,000 years of Jewish history in Israel. Israel was never,
in recorded history, a sovereign nation under any people except the Jews, and
there has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel, unbroken, since the
Roman exile two thousand years ago. The Jewish connection to the homeland is
a part of everything Jews do and practice. In a perfect world, it wouldn’t matter
if Jews were no longer a majority in their own country, but unfortunately, this is
not a perfect world, and Jewish experience as minorities in Arab countries in
the 20th century and certainly into the 21st is reason enough to fight to
preserve independence. You might want to ask why it’s OK for more than a
million Arabs - Muslim and Christian - to live in Israel as citizens, but
according to Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority and PLO he
represents, Jews would not be allowed in a future Palestinian state in the West
Bank? Why would any sane Israeli Jew allow that kind of mindset to become the
majority in their own country? Why cannot 6 or 7 million Jews be the majority in
their own tiny sovereign country when there are 22 Arab nations with almost
250,000,000 people that are almost entirely Muslim? Does this obvious
unfairness strike you as even a bit hypocritical?

Time to run. Good luck with your readings.

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By prole, August 16, 2010 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

“Under these circumstances, it would seem that one option available to the Palestine Liberation Organization [the Oslo Agreement empowered the PLO to negotiate international status issues] acting on its own or by way of the Palestinian Authority under international law would be to issue a unilateral declaration of status, seeking independence, diplomatic recognition and membership in the United Nations. The recent Kosovo advisory opinion of the World Court in The Hague provides a well-reasoned legal precedent for such an option.”…except for the inconvenient fact that these are not the circumstances under which the deeply flawed Oslo Agreements were conceived. It’s very curious for Falk or anyone with his concern for and understanding of these questions to make such an impracticable proposal. The passé PLO is a thoroughly discredited organization held together with imperial patronage and likewise its sham government the PA, which is presided over by a quisling president and unelected PM with no popular support among the Palestinian population. Hamas are the rightful government of Palestine, chosen in free and fair democratic elections and there can be no Palestinian state without their consent and full participation. “Lengthy negotiations have not resolved the issue of the status of Palestine, nor do they give any reasonable prospect that any resolution by negotiation or unilateral withdrawal will soon occur”…because of the impassable objections of the U.S., which would only be intensified in the event of a unilateral Declaration of Independence by something called Palestine, even if it was done by their handpicked puppets in the pathetic PA. While the U.S. is perfectly willing to recognize a mini “state” in Kosovo – that it helped bring about with its meddling – it isn’t thus willing to do so yet in Palestine.
    The ridiculous notion of “well-reasoned legal precedent[s]” simply has no place in Amerikan, or Israeli, foreign policies. If it did, there would have been a sovereign Palestinian state along the ’67 borders long ago. The U.S and Israel have thumbed their noses at the ICJ before. Furthermore, the recent Kosovo decision by the ICJ is a very narrow one that applies strictly to that tiny enclave and in no way obligates any other existing states to extend diplomatic recognition to this new micro-republic. The Court decision did not say that all other such independence declarations do not violate international law. The real significance of the case will not be found in the theoretical points of the decision but rather in how other states act on this decision in practice.
Falk certainly knows this and so does Hedges, so it can only be out of desperation that they would make such a doubly insupportable proposal. Simply put – there can be no solution to the current impasse for Palestine without the full acceptance and cooperation of either or both the U.S.and Hamas. The PLO/PA can do nothing on its own.

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By secretarybird, August 16, 2010 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

Dear nebesh

“One need only read the viciously inane
comment threads on this website for any story about Israel to know such labels [anti-Semitic]
are earned and deserved. If you cannot see that already, I’m pretty sure nothing
I can say will open your eyes.”

I agree. Some comments from posters on this website are inane. This does not invalidate other posts that are not inane, or anti-Semitic, or anything else you care to name. Just ignore the anti-Semitic stuff, and make your reasoned arguments to persuade those of us who are not anti-Semitic, and still disagree with you, to change our minds.

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By secretarybird, August 16, 2010 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

Dear nefesh

“The Jews are the
overwhelming majority in Israel today, and they wish to keep it that way.”

Why do they wish to keep it that way?

My ancestors came from Ireland, where some 90% are Roman Catholic Christians. The overwhelming majority of Irish people today consider this to be irrelevant to their idea of statehood - to the extent that the Republic of Ireland changed its constitution to drop territorial claims on Northern Ireland, which remains part of the United Kingdom, and has a non-Roman Catholic majority.

It was a wise decision, and it greatly enhanced the peace process that ended 30 years of terrorist mayhem, not least by denying extremists the excuse that they were helping their co-religionists.

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By drbhelthi, August 16, 2010 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

Members of the religious society that dubs itself
“Jew”, still fail to get the message that Israeli
clerics recorded between 3,000 and 2,000 years ago.
Israeli prophets and clerics recorded that the “Lord
God” rent the veil of the Holy of Holies into two
pieces, voiding the contract.

Since then, their NAZI-type leaders, whose dastardly
behavior brought about the tendering of the
contract, deny that it occurred, and demand that
“GOD” do it their way. Meanwhile, they forceably
take whatever they want, with “Uncle Sugar”
supporting them, since they are “God´s children” ???
Can nonsense get any greater ?

To me is it very sad that groups of this society,
within the U.S. Military, gather and send monies to
their contemporaries in the illegitimately occupied
territory, contributing to the genocide of
Palestineans. Now, this religiosity society prepares
to start a nuclear war by misusing the between 200-
300 nukes stupidly bestowed by Bush/Clinton/Bush.

Of course with the support of the U.S. Military.

One poses the question, which alleged “leadership”
displays the most concentrated dumbidity, the
Israeli or the US-li ?

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By nefesh, August 16, 2010 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

By Aaron Ortiz, August 16 at 2:55 pm

Using words like “perverted”, and “apartheid” only for their emotional impact
reveals how biased and weak the author’s comments are.

It doesn’t matter what the article is about. If the best the author can do is
sequester words for their red-flag status to insult an enemy with hatred, why
keep
reading?

Those labels are tools of the trade for the merchants of hate. Add ‘fascist’ and
‘racist’ and you’re fully-equipped to join the ‘resistance’.

Viva La Revolución!

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By nefesh, August 16, 2010 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

By secretarybird, August 16 at 2:48 pm
Dear Nefesh

If you want to engage with the readers of this website to our mutual advantage,
you should do three things.

First, stop calling people with whom you disagree, liars and anti-Semites.

Second, stop inventing things and claiming that other posters said them. Omop
did not say anything about Israel being destroyed, or mention genocide.

Third, address the issues raised by Chris Hedges, and produce counter-
arguments to refute his case - e.g. Is a one-state solution, giving equal rights
to all Jews and non-Jews living in that state, acceptable to the majority of
Israelis?

Dear secretarybird,

I only call liars liars, and antisemites antisemites. I assure you I do not toss
those epithets around gratuitously. One need only read the viciously inane
comment threads on this website for any story about Israel to know such labels
are earned and deserved. If you cannot see that already, I’m pretty sure nothing
I can say will open your eyes.

Are you confusing Israel and Israeli citizens with the residents of the disputed
West Bank territories and Gaza?  I think you might be. The Jews are the
overwhelming majority in Israel today, and they wish to keep it that way. They
are not willing to annex the territories, for obvious demographic reasons, and I
cannot blame them for that. If the Arabs of the West Bank want to pursue some
form of independence, more power to them, but not at the expense of the
security of Israelis. Recent history shows they are not capable of that today,
unfortunately.

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By Aaron Ortiz, August 16, 2010 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

Using words like “perverted”, and “apartheid” only for their emotional impact
reveals how biased and weak the author’s comments are.

It doesn’t matter what the article is about. If the best the author can do is
sequester words for their red-flag status to insult an enemy with hatred, why keep
reading?

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By secretarybird, August 16, 2010 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

Dear Nefesh

If you want to engage with the readers of this website to our mutual advantage, you should do three things.

First, stop calling people with whom you disagree, liars and anti-Semites.

Second, stop inventing things and claiming that other posters said them. Omop did not say anything about Israel being destroyed, or mention genocide.

Third, address the issues raised by Chris Hedges, and produce counter-arguments to refute his case - e.g. Is a one-state solution, giving equal rights to all Jews and non-Jews living in that state, acceptable to the majority of Israelis?

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By R. Zahira-Jones, August 16, 2010 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
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This is a lesser known technique of getting land from
Palestinians, but it’s being done all the time in East
Jerusalem.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/14/94183/israeli-
activist-buys-up-arab.html

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By nefesh, August 16, 2010 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

By truedigger3, August 16 at 1:57 pm
Oh, NEFESH, is slithering from under a rock in one of AIPAC offices or one of the
Isreali Consulates to spout his utter blatant lies and bullshit which are so blatant it
is not worthy of any rebuttal or discussion.

No answer to the disappearance of the Jewish community of Baghdad?  Syria?
Beirut? Yemen? Tunisia? Cairo?

Your hatred has blinded you.

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By nefesh, August 16, 2010 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

By truedigger3, August 16 at 1:57 pm
Oh, NEFESH, is slithering from under a rock in one of AIPAC offices or one of
the Isreali Consulates to spout his utter blatant lies and bullshit which are so
blatant it is not worthy of any rebuttal or discussion.

You know, there are people who have no association with AIPAC or an Israeli
consulate (ha) who just appreciate Israel and her people, and do not want to
see this incessant war thrust upon her. Can you believe that?

By asserting that I have written nothing but lies, do you deny that there were
850,000 Jews made refugees from their homes in Arab countries in 1948? Do
you deny that Israel, as a sovereign state, cannot be expected to commit
national suicide should the majority of her citizens so choose?  Do you deny
the prima facia unfairness in waging war against Israel in the name of yet
another (22 and counting) Arab/Muslim state at the expense of the world’s
only Jewish state?

Your reflexive denial is most telling.

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By sidi, August 16, 2010 at 10:06 am Link to this comment
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I appreciate most of what Hedges writes;  however, his take on Israel is far from nuanced.  Where does the timing start.  I like to begin at the Nicene Council called by Constantine as the beginning of rampant antisemitism, almost culminating in the Holocaust.  However, my solution to the “problem”:  I would like all Jews to leave Israel.  The land/sand was not given to us by an absentee landlord.  We are in diaspora.  In fact, all humans are in diaspora, Mexicans coming into the United States;  Tamil coming into Canada;  Pakistanis trying to get out of their flood.  All of us are in Diaspora.  We might as well begin to lend each other a hand up.  Peace

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By truedigger3, August 16, 2010 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

Oh, NEFESH, is slithering from under a rock in one of AIPAC offices or one of the Isreali Consulates to spout his utter blatant lies and bullshit which are so blatant it is not worthy of any rebuttal or discussion.

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By ofersince72, August 16, 2010 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

People movin’ out
People movin’in
Why, because of the color of their skin
Run, run, run, but you sho’ can’t hide
an eye for aneye
a tooth for a tooth
Vote for me, and I’ll set you free
Rap on brother, rap on
Well, the only person talkin’
‘bout love they brother is the preacher
And it seems,
Nobody is interested in learnen’
But the teacher
Segreagation, determination, demonstration,
Integration, aggravation,
Humiliation, obligation to our nation
BALL OF CONFUSION
That’s what the world is today

The sale of pills are at an all time high
Young folds walk around with
Their heads in the sky
Cities aflame in the summer time
And, the beat goes on

Air pollution, revolution, gun control,
Sound of Soul
Shootin’ rockets to the moon
Kids growin’ up too soon
Politicians say more taxes will
Solve everything
And the band played on
So round ‘n’  round ‘n’  round we go
Where the world’s headed, nobody knows
Just a Ball of Confusion
Oh yea, that’s what the world is today

Fear in the air, tension everywhere
Unemployment rising fast,
The Beatles’ new record’s a gas
And the only safe place to live is
On an indian reservation
And the band played
Eve of destruction, tax deduction
City inspectors, bill collectors
Mod clothes in demand,
Population out of hand
Suicide,j too many bills, hippies movin’
to the hills
People all over the world, are shoutin’
End the war
And the band played on

(if you need to know who wrote and performed this song
you need to get the fuck out of the U.S. OF A)

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By sharonsj, August 16, 2010 at 9:40 am Link to this comment
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Why even call Hedges a journalist?  He uses the word apartheid to characterize Israel, but it’s the Palestinians and other Arab countries which are actually apartheid.  So right off the bat he doesn’t even know what the word means.

Pushing Gaza on Egypt?  Egypt used to control Gaza, they lost it during one of their wars on Israel, and now Israel keeps trying to give it back to them.  But Egypt doesn’t want it!  Egypt is building a separation wall that is deliberately not mentioned while bashing Israel for its separation wall.

If Hedges didn’t have an agenda, he might get his facts straight.

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By j dorsey, August 16, 2010 at 9:20 am Link to this comment
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hey all you nations and tribes. do something worth while: start building an ark,aquaduct,or firewall.

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By nefesh, August 16, 2010 at 8:51 am Link to this comment

By omop, August 16 at 10:32 am

  The so- called “one state” solution can only rightfully come about AFTER
Isreal’s land grabs are returned “sans” conditions to the Palestinians the
700,000 Palestinians must according to international law return to their native
communities.


  Then after a period of some 5 years or so both the Israelis and the
Palestinians can vote for either a one or two state solution.

Jeez, how thick can you be. The Jews do not want a ‘one state’ solution. They
want - and deserve (and have) - independence based on self-determination.  It’s called Israel. It’s the historic and very real homeland of the Jewish people, and there’s only one. Go ahead and create a 23rd Arab/Muslim state. Call it Palestine, or Hamastan, or Judenreinland, or whatever tickles your bigoted ass. You won’t live to see it created on the ashes of another 6 million Jews, however. They won’t go down without a fight (haven’t you noticed?) and they don’t plan on losing, either.
For you to maintain that Israel must be destroyed is simply advocating
genocide. Nothing new for bigots like you, though. The Jews will not go silently
into the night again.

By the way, you need to address the 850,000 Jews dispossessed and expelled from their homes in Arab countries if you seek redress for the Arabs. Tell us why, in 1947 there were approximately 200,000 Jews in Baghdad, and today there are none? Their treatment and the destruction of their community is just one more reason why I support the State of Israel.

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By nefesh, August 16, 2010 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

By walterbard, August 16 at 10:40 am

To debunk all of Hedges’s ranting and raving of half truths and no truths at all
would
take 500 pages. Suffice to say that Hedges is a liar.

Well, that’s why this wretched website publishes Hedges. Neither is interested in
truth. Hedges is earning a living demonizing Israel and any Jew who stands up for
the right of the Jews to self-determination in their homeland. An uglier persona
and complementary countenance is hard to find. May he rot in Hell when he gets
there.

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By nefesh, August 16, 2010 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

By FTW, August 16 at 11:39 am

Israel has the one feature that is unforgiveable…it’s FULL of Jews…and that is the
Original Sin for which Israel must pay in perpetuity…

Since this site is home to the most virulent Jew-hating bigots (see below), I need
to ask - you were being facetious, right?

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By FTW, August 16, 2010 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

“Israel is a facist,terrorist state”...and the US isn’t?...name one,just one,state in the world where egalitarian ideals rule,where people love, respect and work with one another without regard to race,religion or social class…Israel is better than some,worse than others,but all fall short of some Utopian ideal…but Israel has the one feature that is unforgiveable…it’s FULL of Jews…and that is the Original Sin for which Israel must pay in perpetuity…

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By RayLan, August 16, 2010 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

The US is politically de-sensitized to issues of occupation and pre-emptive aggression because it is the worst offender aiding and abetting this desperate Israli ploy at virtual genocide. The Palestinian occupation is a complicated problem complicated even further by Palestinan resistance which gave Israel the opportunity to play victim. Its self-authorized religious claims hold no legal water.

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By balkas, August 16, 2010 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

Israel’s of ‘67 had been waged to obtain entire palestine.
An noted by observers and students of history for its protrepic value, land gained by war can only be retrieved by war.

But prior to june 6 ‘67 war, invasion of ‘22-45 and war of ‘47 had been waged to obtain entire palestine as well.

Foks, this in not an opinion, but a fact and as such can be seen with a naked eye.

All ‘jews’ can do in face of these facts is to accuse palestinian on and on of not wanting peace that they had—prior to League of Nations sinister plan and occupation—and lost to invaders with a ferocious cult.

To sell the plan to unwary and uncaring christians and some ‘jews’, the planners for theft of land via murder and expulsion, presented ‘jews’ as an angelic people who were persecuted thruout europe solely for that quality and being descendats of ancient hebrews, had the right to entire excanaan.

But truth is coming out. Or it seems to me!

Btw, one never gets accurate-adequate elucidation from any MSM collumnist. Hedges, for instance places arbitrarily the history of the conflict at an opportune time for him and ‘jews’.

For ‘jews’, on the other hand, history of the conflict starts with suicide bombings, arabs refusing this and that, or israel’s right to self-defense, but only after commiting crimes agaisnt humanity. More could be said. tnx

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By Stewart Farley, August 16, 2010 at 7:17 am Link to this comment
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I think Jimmy Carter was generous when he called the situation “apartheid”. It is nothing less than genocide. I’ve never heard anyone simply admit that “We don’t want them here!” The “one-state solution” comes close.

Until enough U.S. citizens put pressure on our government to stop prostituting itself to Israel, nothing will change for the better. It is safe to say that if it were not for our “in the bed” relationship with Israel, we wouldn’t have had Iraq or Afghanistan to deal with.

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By Hasapiko, August 16, 2010 at 7:03 am Link to this comment

To Kalpal,
Your argument - that the US was itself built on the backs of dispossessed Native Americans - is the one my Israeli friends and relatives always throw in my face when I “dare” to criticize Israel’s expansionist policies. What I like to tell them - and you - in response is that chickens always come home to roost. The US will doubtless pay for its sins some day, but so will Israel. The point of all this is not to put down Israel, but to warn her that her iron wall policy will eventually crumble. Some day - soon perhaps - her rich uncle may no longer be able to support her in the way to which she has been accustomed, so, it is in the long-term interest of Israel’s citizens to realize that they must live with as well as in the Middle East. Israel is filled with smart people. Using her smarts to outsmart the Palestinians is like taking candy from a baby. The baby grows up with deep feelings of resentment. Instead, Israel should leverage her unique strategic relationship with the US to develop true security arrangements rather than as a crutch for more land grabs. Israel must take the lead to find the win-win solution that gives both sides a sense of victory and pride. It would have been a lot easier to have started this in 1967, before the undeclared policies of land grabs started. It is much harder now, but it must be done.

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By walterbard, August 16, 2010 at 6:40 am Link to this comment

The green line was never a border.
it could have been in return for a peace treaty but the arab states refused. They vowed to destroy Israel. In 1967 during the 6 day war Jordan violated the armistice line by attacking Jerusalem despite
that fact that Israel was not at war with Jordan and told the king so. It was Jordan that was land grabbing. At anytime between 1949 and 1967 a palestinian state could have created, but jordan
annexed that territory,and no one called the West Bank occupied territory then, least of all the so-called Paletinians who specifically eschewed the West Bank as their territory and in heir charter specifically stated that Jewish State was their objective and that they would expel all the Jews. THAT CHARTER HAS NEVER BEEN AMMENDED, despite claims to the contrary. To debunk all of Hedges’s ranting and raving of half truths and no truths at all would
take 500 pages. Suffice to say that Hedges is a liar.

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By omop, August 16, 2010 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges hits the nail right on the head but still evades the proper and rightful solution.

  The so- called “one state” solution can only rightfully come about AFTER Isreal’s land grabs are returned “sans” conditions to the Palestinians the 700,000 Palestinians must according to international law return to their native communities.

  In short Israel must vacate all lands it occupies that have been allocated by the UN in the original partition 241/242.

  Then after a period of some 5 years or so both the Israelis and the Palestinians can vote for either a one or two state solution.

  The years of bartering are over for Israel whether it is the return of the Golan or red and blue lines over the West Bank, Jerusalem or Gaza. The US can only continue to damage its standing and respect in the world if it continues its strictly zionist policies.

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By dihey, August 16, 2010 at 6:21 am Link to this comment

Anyone who believes that this is “news” had better visit his or her shrink. This has been a Zionist objective since 1947.

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By still trying, August 16, 2010 at 6:18 am Link to this comment

Israel is now a fascist terrorist state. Is that so hard to understand?  Everything they do proceeds from this underlying context.

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By last_boy_scout, August 16, 2010 at 5:58 am Link to this comment

Looks rather utopian to me. I believe that Jews have to
part with their national mythology
(http://bit.ly/97IwQc) if they’d like to live in a
contemporary world. Otherwise, I’m not sure, for how
long they’d be able to keep pretending that they are
the weak and offended ones, while rattling its sabers
at the same time.

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By Dhamma3, August 16, 2010 at 5:51 am Link to this comment

Kalpal, pointing out the wrongs of other nations and peoples does not provide cover nor justify the injustice being served to the Palestinian people.  Israel is systematically stealing and appropropriating Palestinian land into a greater Israel and causing grave injustices and suffering to the Palestinian people, thus ignoring the thrust of what this article is about and attempting to justify it by pointing out other similar historical instances does nothing to serve the discussion.

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By Frank of America, August 16, 2010 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

to kalpal - returning home? By that logic the Celts should return to Britain and reclaim the island from the Anglo-Saxon & Norman invaders. Its a specious argument. The colonial era is over.

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By andrushka, August 16, 2010 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

To kerryrose:  I fully agree and no time should be wasted!

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By kalpal, August 16, 2010 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

It is quite interesting that Chris Hedges accuses Israel of behaving in the same fashion that Europeans wound up stealing north and south America.

Americans who live on land stolen from people whom they either pushed out or flat out murdered seem un repentent of their own past actions and their refusal to return stolen property but make demands of those who copy their behavior but with one minor difference. Jews have returned to their homeland. Some of them because Arab countries expelled them as punishment for being Jewish. Those Arab countries also exporopriated/stole all of the property of the Jews they kicked out. It is those governments and/or nations who cry crocodile over the fate of the poor Palestinians who are forbidden from trying to live in and assimilate into their brethern’s nations. After 60 years no Palstinian may hold a job in Lebanon or own property. You’d think that such treatment is reserved for abusing only Jews not other muslims.

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By Frank of America, August 16, 2010 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

Israel unilaterally declared its independence in 1948 - why shouldn’t Palestine? If Americans only knew the hundreds of billions in taxes we’ve sent to prop up this oppression! Israel is not interested in peace. If it were there would be peace. There are peace loving Israelis. Just not enough.

Israel’s defenders say its a “democracy.” Nonsense… Israel is a parliamentary theocracy. Only Jews can become citizens. Imagine if the US declared that from here on in only Christians can be citizens and those who were not were expelled by force with those that remained conferred a quasi-citizenship. They claim to share our values? Ha! The only value the Israeli power structure seems to share with the US power structure is its love for the military industrial complex.

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By Larry Snider, August 16, 2010 at 5:19 am Link to this comment
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Peace will not be found through a campaign of deligitimization anymore than it will be found though the use of guns, bombs, or rockets. It appears that the PNA is not interested in making unilateral declarations accompanying the progress it is making in the West Bank or in service to the Fayaad timetable. I believe that part of the answer lies in America and its partners encouraging both Israelis and Palestinians to engage in a national dialogue on the meaning of peace, the process of accepting an “other” as neighbors in a viable two-state solution. This must not be a theoretical game, but a well finance conversation involving all segments of both populations including the Paletinian residents of Gaza and the Israeli settlers in the West Bank. It is only through such a public process, involving both local and international NGO’s and academic institutions that have expertise in Israeli/Palestinian dialogue, that the public’s can move forward and inspire/require politicians to move with them toward the implementation of a lasting peace.

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By ProfBob, August 16, 2010 at 5:10 am Link to this comment
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Why so excited? God gave the Jews the land from The Nile to the Euphrates. (Genesis 15:18) So you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!

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By kerryrose, August 16, 2010 at 4:33 am Link to this comment

Perfect.  If the PLO were given a seat at the UN, they will be given the international recognition and respect that a people under seize deserve, and make it difficult for Israel to continue treating Palestinians as ‘unpeople’ and the rest of us for ignoring the abuses. 

Visibility and validation of personhood at the UN is the only way things will change.

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By Daniel, August 16, 2010 at 4:09 am Link to this comment
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Good article, but I think it is a bit misleading. Just because there is some op-ed in a newspaper doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. This is all speculation, and so far, a two-state solution still seems most likely.

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