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Posted on Apr 16, 2012
Illustration by Mr. Fish

By Chris Hedges

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“Their support of MEK is far worse than any of the pre-emptive prosecution cases,” Downs said. “They are literally engaged in material support for terrorism. But of course they’re not being prosecuted. ... The whole thing is a game. It’s not serious law enforcement. It is political posturing. This will bring the law into contempt. It will bring the mechanisms of prosecution into contempt and eventually it will destroy the legal system.”

“Justice is now justice for corporations,” he went on. “Anybody who interferes with the corporations, who interferes with their profits, who interferes with their rights, will become labeled ‘terrorists.’ They become people we need to get rid of. Judges, politicians and lawyers all feed at the same corporate trough. And that is why their decisions increasingly are corporate decisions.”

Downs holds out a faint hope that it may be possible to force the Justice Department to turn over exculpatory evidence—evidence of a defendant’s innocence that by law the prosecution must disclose to the defendant but an obligation that the prosecutors frequently ignore. He said he is certain there is exculpatory evidence in government vaults that could free many of those pre-emptively prosecuted. Government prosecutors, however, do not willing sabotage their own cases by turning over evidence that would exonerate those they seek to condemn. Downs knows it is a quixotic fight, but he is working to get the undisclosed exculpatory evidence in pre-emptive prosecution cases released to defense lawyers.

“That’s my one hope of getting these guys out of jail—I don’t see any other way,” he said.

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The corruption in the judiciary, Downs argues, is so pervasive that it is probably irreversible in the short run. Already dissidents such as peace activists, environmentalists and outspoken intellectuals have been treated as terrorists. Downs expects soon to see labor organizers and those in Occupy encampments treated as terrorists, especially if domestic dissent spreads. Yet despite his pessimism he has no intention of surrendering.

“I take comfort from organizations like the White Rose in Germany,” he said, referring to the anti-Nazi group that defied Hitler and saw most of its members arrested and executed. “They were doomed almost from the beginning. How long could you defy Hitler before you were rounded up and shot? It appeared to be a futile effort. And yet, after the war, when people went back and began to rebuild the German nation, they could look to the White Rose as an example of what German culture was really about. There were Germans who cared about peace, freedom and tolerance. I’m working now as much for the historical record as for those still in jail.”

“When I was 6,” Mehanna told the court Thursday at his sentencing, “I began putting together a massive collection of comic books. Batman implanted a concept in my mind, introduced me to a paradigm as to how the world is set up: that there are oppressors, there are the oppressed, and there are those who step up to defend the oppressed. This resonated with me so much that throughout the rest of my childhood I gravitated towards any book that reflected that paradigm—‘Uncle Tom’s Cabin,’ ‘The Autobiography of Malcolm X,’ and I even saw an ethical dimension to ‘The Catcher in the Rye.’ ”

“By the time I began high school and took a real history class, I was learning just how real that paradigm is in the world,” he went on. “I learned about the Native Americans and what befell them at the hands of European settlers. I learned about how the descendants of those European settlers were in turn oppressed under the tyranny of King George III. I read about Paul Revere, Tom Paine, and how Americans began an armed insurgency against British forces—an insurgency we now celebrate as the American Revolutionary War. As a kid I even went on school field trips just blocks away from where we sit now. I learned about Harriet Tubman, Nat Turner, John Brown, and the fight against slavery in this country. I learned about Emma Goldman, Eugene Debs and the struggles of the labor unions, working class and poor. I learned about Anne Frank, the Nazis, and how they persecuted minorities and imprisoned dissidents. I learned about Rosa Parks, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King and the civil rights struggle. I learned about Ho Chi Minh, and how the Vietnamese fought for decades to liberate themselves from one invader after another. I learned about Nelson Mandela and the fight against apartheid in South Africa. Everything I learned in those years confirmed what I was beginning to learn when I was 6: that throughout history, there has been a constant struggle between the oppressed and their oppressors. With each struggle I learned about, I found myself consistently siding with the oppressed, and consistently respecting those who stepped up to defend them—regardless of nationality, regardless of religion. And I never threw my class notes away. As I stand here speaking, they are in a neat pile in my bedroom closet at home.”

“In your eyes, I’m a terrorist, and it’s perfectly reasonable that I be standing here in an orange jumpsuit,” he told the court at the end of his statement. “But one day, America will change and people will recognize this day for what it is. They will look at how hundreds of thousands of Muslims were killed and maimed by the U.S. military in foreign countries, yet somehow I’m the one going to prison for ‘conspiring to kill and maim’ in those countries—because I support the mujahedeen defending those people. They will look back on how the government spent millions of dollars to imprison me as a ‘terrorist,’ yet if we were to somehow bring Abeer al-Janabi back to life in the moment she was being gang-raped by your soldiers, to put her on that witness stand and ask her who the ‘terrorists’ are, she sure wouldn’t be pointing at me.”


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By balkas, April 17, 2012 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

hetero,
i oppose ALL ‘godological’ laws; thus, hinduism, buddhism, christianity,
talmudism, judaism, mohammedanism; and even most of their
teachings, directives, commands, etc.
however, talmudism and/or mosheism is the worst of them all in one
aspect: in looking dwn on and hating goyim.
islam is the worst in treatment of women [mistreatment of women do
vary from country to country]; christianity may be the worst in wanting
the life to end on this planet because ‘god’ is awaiting us up in the sky
s’mwhere and providing us with everlasting joy, peace, life.

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By vector56, April 17, 2012 at 5:37 am Link to this comment

Islam has it’s problems like any other philosophical system based on “Mumbo jumbo”.

Personally, I think humanity would be better of without religion; but remember Christianity brought us;

The Holocaust; Most NAZIS were Christian
The Crusades
Witch Burning
Most Slave owner were Christian

The Guy who ordered the only Atomic Bombs dropped on humanity was a Cristian; something most fear Muslims might do to us.


When the final “body count” is taken (Islam v.s. Christianity) the children of Jesus always seem to end up with more dead Muslim men, women and children in their pile than the “backward” rag-heads?

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By vector56, April 17, 2012 at 5:09 am Link to this comment

“You are incorrect that “all” Nazis were Chistians.  In fact, Hitler himself was not a Christian, despite his rhetoric, claims and symbolism.”

Maani;

“Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school.  (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.”  His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest.  Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals.  As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.”  -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)”


I realize that most christian don’t want to claim Hitler as one of their own; it makes it kinda of hard for two dimensional “shills” like kathymm to demonize Muslims without considering “the gleam in her own eyes”.

“Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church.  Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.”


Sorry, Christianity gave birth to the NAZIS; hell the guy running the church now was “Hitler youth” at age 16 (the same age as Anwar al-Awlaki son we held responsible enough to kill by drone).

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By balkas, April 17, 2012 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

for some time after, say, 10k y ago, THEY [the greatest criminal minds] owned all land.
then after money and plants/factories/offices, ‘democracy’, ‘country’, etc., had been
invented, THEY also owned all that.
and to this day.
however, for the first time ever, young, middle-aged, and old people are, seems, seeing
this fact. and the wake is on!
it is a beginning. so, let us not despair, posit negative ‘predictions’; let’s join the wakers,
walkers, shouters, placard carriers, etc.
let’s not expect immediate positive results.
dogged perseverance/labors, sacrifice, etc., over decades or even centuries may be
necessary to defeat once for all time the sanely insanest people among us.
however, in infinity of time, even centuries are of ephemeral duration or just like a blitz
in time. also spricht bozhidarevski. spasibo.

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By kulu, April 17, 2012 at 2:54 am Link to this comment

I see myself as an enemy of America but certainly not of Americans.

If America attacks and occupies another country then I support the right of the people in that country to resist in whatever way they can, be that the Afghans, Iranians, Iraqis, Haitians, Grenadians or any other citizens of an occupied country.

Oops I’ve said too much and laid myself open to being rendered, tortured, imprisoned without due process or even assassinated for my thoughts.

Perhaps I should just shut up. Perhaps we all should.

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By ballerina, April 17, 2012 at 2:08 am Link to this comment

as usual, a thoroughly informative article by chris hedges..if there is another like
him out there, i don’t know who it is, but i do know that we need a lot more like
him if we are going to turn this world away from the dark side..and they need to
show up soon as in before it’s too late!...thank you chris

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By Palindromedary, April 17, 2012 at 1:47 am Link to this comment

And how many people have even heard of Sibel Edmonds’ new book “Classified Woman” that was published on March 9, 2012 and is now “Out of print-limited availability” at Amazon.com? Every one of the 15 reviewers have given the book a solid 5 stars.

Here is a comment by one reviewer—
“The story of Sibel Edmonds is a window into the real-life criminal world that exists in our own government, as well as many other governments, and about which most American citizens are either uninformed or in denial. There are millions of people all around the world who question the official account of September 11th, 2001, an account incidentally whose credibility has been called into question by the very commission who crafted it. And yet, any mention of 9/11 in any context by anyone other than those who continue to use it to this day to justify war crimes is seen as “crazy,” “nutty,” or “paranoid.” In a rare display of bipartisanship, so-called conservatives and so-called liberals dutifully fall in line and support the War on Terror narrative, happily giving up their rights along the way. It is as if the Bush Administration, and now the Obama Administration, who have been caught red-handed telling lie after lie to support the agendas of the military-industrial complex, the Wall Street bankers, the war profiteers, and the transnational corporate crime syndicate, simply somehow MUST be telling the truth about the crime of the century—a horrific crime of untold proportions which was committed on live TV, thereby ensuring maximum impact to the psyche. After all, this is America! If the 9/11 crime, and the following alleged cover-up, were a conspiracy by any measure, then surely we would know about it. Somebody would have talked. Somebody would have blown the whistle. It would be impossible to conduct such an elaborate operation without somebody, somewhere in the government coming forth and exposing the criminals ... right?

Well here you have it. In your face. A real-life, 100% credible 9/11 whistleblower. One who has a story whose facts are not even challenged by the government in any real way because it is widely known that those facts can be verified by classified documents in the possession of the government. Instead, those terrified of Sibel Edmonds have waged a war to silence her, using the full power of the Executive Branch to do so, making her the most “classified woman” in American history. This campaign started shortly after 9/11 and is waged to this day as the FBI tries to suppress the publication of this very book, which tells us how important this book must be.”

You can, however, listen to Sibel Edmonds’ podcast, Boiling Frogs” and/or go to her website:
http://boilingfrogspost.com/

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By S. Wolf Britain, April 17, 2012 at 1:46 am Link to this comment

I literally cry for my country. I almost can’t
believe this injustice is going on. It creates a
cognitive dissonance. You don’t want to believe it.
But I’m so glad that I’ve educated myself about
what’s really going on, and I am so thankful that I
understand what’s really happening; even though it
probably assures that I will be called a “terrorist”,
if I haven’t been already, and locked up forever
and/or murdered by the U.S. government, for being
nothing but a completely non-violent, anti-violence
defender of True Liberty and Freedom, and True Human
Rights and Civil Liberties, and for standing up
against the perversion and eradication of human and
civil rights, and liberty and freedom, into a system
of injustice that knows no bounds.

That system of injustice, calling itself
representative of “liberty” and “freedom”, and
supposedly representative of the “rule of law”, is
increasingly terrorizing, not only the entire world,
but the U.S. citizenry as well; and, out of a
completely false sense of so-called “nationalism”
and/or “patriotism”, we’re supposed to bow down to
it, accept it, even reverence it, and not criticize
it; even though it completely violates everything
this country is ONLY supposed to stand for: The True
Rule of Law, “Constitutional Republicanism”, True
Liberty and Freedom, and True Justice.

But everything that is happening in the U.S. right
now, is the exact opposite of those latter
principles; and it just literally makes me ill
watching this degeneration into hell on earth;
watching as my beloved country deteriorates into a
Nazi-Germany-like totalitarian militarized police
state where no one has any True Liberty and and
Freedom, and where True Human Rights and Civil
Liberties, the True Rule of Law, and True Justice are
dead. Only evil people can accept this madness.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

some people are really Islamist nuts
and the evidence simply is real
you can be just like Hedges and deny what is plain
cry obfuscation and outrageous zeal
but it don’t matter much what you feel
when you rebut truth with no more than disdain

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By sallysense, April 16, 2012 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment

as our government lets more corporate power take over…
it loses control of itself allowing wealth’s clout to rule…
law-friendly profiteering fills officials’ great pockets…
hence our u.s. of a. replaces big bucks’ best tool!...

it’s the people now that these moneymongers cheat…
stealing from small honest pay to constitutional rights…
through duped crooked ways that rich politicians accept…
it harbors mafia-type tendancies to strong-arm with fright!...

“we’ve created enough information to charge you with terror!...
unless you do as we say to become our spy!” said the feds…
“with manipulated records and brainwashing mainstream…
we’ve sealed your fate by this choice for your head!”...

(here lies the future of america’s parents and children?...
they will raise sons and daughters to serve rich iniquities?...
“please don’t think for yourself child nor work for the truth!...
life in the hands of corporate masters can buy your captivity!”)...

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic

I DO understand…and I guess you used as about as correct a word for it (religion) as can be..

Maani

I’m very aware that Sharia law has been attempted here in the US…. over 50 cases in the last few years and you’re partially correct…. the ones that came here to escape it tried to reject it, those   “overwhelming majority ‘moderate”  Muslims, you mentioned….but they won’t go against the radical ones….  just in case ...they want to be on the “right’ side of the Imam who may end up being their judge and jury….it’s happening in Australia, France and Britain…it’s just a matter of time here unless we fight it

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By Bee, April 16, 2012 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

This is one of the most alarming stories even in these years of daily
alarming stories.

I do not like the illustration. It’s “clever,” but at first glance looks like a devil
which is inappropriate.

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

kathymm

Yes that is what I mean and no matter the name what we are facing is the day when we will have lost any chance for the people to legally resist the criminal rulers.

They have subjugated the people over time under Republican and Democrat Regimes.

Corporatism is a very descriptive name and speaking of Monsanto, you may or may not know that they have a very intertwined relationship with once former Blackwater.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

kathymm—- You don’t understand that there are similar shit books written by
Christians for Christians, by ultra-Orthodox jews for ultra-Orthodox Jews and
by Mormons for Mormons????

you can’t simply say that this shit is representative and not demonstrate
anything to show that it is.

and being against the imposition of Shariah Law doesn’t do anything to add to
the discussion. there’s no one here who would possibly stand to live under it
and no one here ISN’T against it…..

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By Maani, April 16, 2012 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

A few random comments on various:

ControlledDemolition:

That is an interesting way of looking at the anomalies of 9/11.  Bravo.

kathymm et al:

You obviously understand very little about law.  The fact is that shariah law has been applied to certain specific cases in the U.S. for decades, just as Jewish law, Hindu law and international and maritime law (among many others) have.  It depends on the type of case and the jurisdiction.  And no one has said “boo” about any of it until now.  It is basically overreaction and hyperbole in the so-called “post-9/11 world.”

hetero:

Bravo to you for making the distinction between those relatively few Muslims who espouse and carry out radical, fundamentalist (and sometimes violent) views, and the overwhelming majority of Muslims who not only do not participate in such, but do not even support it.

vector:

You are incorrect that “all” Nazis were Chistians.  In fact, Hitler himself was not a Christian, despite his rhetoric, claims and symbolism.  He was a pagan.  Keep in mind that he was trying to create a “master race” of Aryans.  But Aryan is not a religion (and particularly not a Christian religion): it is a bloodline.  Hitler had every intention of killing off the Christians (he actually killed over 2 million) after he was done with the Jews.  In fact, soon after taking the chancellorship - long before the Final Solution was even thought of - he told the party faithful “It is through the peasantry that we will finally destroy Christianity.”  As well, he was already hard at work dismantling the Protestant church in Europe, and had his sights on the Pope - who, contrary to popular belief, he hated.  Why?  Because while the Pope himself was not helping the Jews, individual parish priests were.  And when Hitler demanded that the Pope censure or fire those priests, the Pope refused to do so, claiming “ignorance.”  Hitler was furious at this, and plans were drawn up to assassinate the Pope and take over the Vatican.  There is a great deal more in this regard, but that should suffice for now.

Peace.

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment

I agree Cliff….Chris is usually very astute about that and I respect him immensely….as to your question…I’d have to say that our government has devolved into gangster cronyism….. and like Naomi Wolf tried to warn, fast becoming fascism….our constitution still works sometimes but I don’t know for how much longer what with NDAA and the EPA and FDA being taken over by Monsanto etc

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By ControlledDemolition, April 16, 2012 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

Shalom Aleichem!

kathymm,

I don’t want any religious system of law imposed on America at all, either, exclamation point.  If folks choose to practice a faith, that’s their business, but religious laws (the various interfaith incarnations of ‘shariat’) should not be imposed on civil society.  We have an ideal of the separation of church and state, which unfortunately is under attack by certain non-muslim fanatics.

heterochromatic’s mention of Michele Bachmann is right on, in this context.

To emphasize what others have said in parallel discussion: collateral damage is terrorism—depends on your point of view. 

BTW, the money-war-oil-etc-etc-etc powers are so happy with Obama, look at the dim-wit they are parading out in mock opposition.  On the other hand, there are a number of good people who are not running that I’d vote for—provided they don’t ride in any open motorcades.

- CD

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

I think that Hedges is stating that we are allowing our Government to twist our laws to protect the powerful and the moneyed.  And the result I believe he points out is that we are sliding into the very type of law that we cry against.

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

I believe that what Hedges is stating in this article is that we are becoming what we so loudly cry against.

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

kathymm

I asked you what type law you thought is reality here and now?

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

it’s not Sharia Cliff

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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

correction:

“Wrong” again; I do know why they hate Fonda and basic history


I am going to bed; good night all.

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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

“by the way you obviously don’t know much about history….and why a lot of Americans hate Jane Fonda…”

Wrong again; I do know why the hate Fonda and basic history.

Unlike you she had the guts to stand for what was right then and is still right now. Vietnam like Iraq did not attack us.

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

kathymm

What type of law would you state we have here in the United States?

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

LOL..cliff….how can you say I was treating anyone like trash? I didn’t write the book and wouldn’t have even thought of it if I hadn’t been attacked after I said I didn’t want Sharia here in the US

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By Night-Gaunt, April 16, 2012 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

I don’t defend what they do but I understand they didn’t just start up on their own. They were goaded into it by us an other colonial an neo-colonial powers in their country killing their people. So stop doing that then. What they do is still criminal but they are fighting against a superior force an the way you do that universally is the way they are operating. Our own special forces do it but quietly, most of the time.

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

do you have a source for that OzarkMichael?...I’d love to see it

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

kathymm, April 16 at 4:52 pm


“within the book’s opening pages it states that
‘it might be necessary to restrain her with strength or even to threaten her.’”

kathymm

I haven’t read the book, but I have attended a Muslim wedding and witnessed and listened to the Imam’s give the marriage instructions and the rights of each in the marriage to both the Bride and the Groom. 

I witnessed the father of the Bride relinquish responsibility of the Bride to the Groom.

Somehow the beating with a stick, etc. just never was mentioned.  But of course they weren’t reading from someone’s book.

I thought it was a moving and informative experience.

As to the graciousness of the Imam, when I walked into the large room where about 200 guests were gathered dressed in robes and the Muslim attire, the Imam asked me if I spoke Arabic.  I told him no, and he immediately got the attention of the crowd and informed them that from that moment on, thru the rest of the ceremony only english would be spoken.  To a person they obeyed the request.

Muslims are humans just like you and me.  They have dreams and emotions just like you and me.  And those who have immigrated to America, consider themselves to be Americans, just like you and me.

They don’t deserve to be treated like trash just because they are Muslim.

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

sheesh Vector….again, you don’t know me - or where I live….inflections are not conducive to intelligent conversation…by the way you obviously don’t know much about history….and why a lot of Americans hate Jane Fonda…oh, and I’m not incorporated either….I’m just one person amongst many, crazy enough to think I can make a difference…

and Tarek wasn’t convicted for his speech…he was convicted for plotting against the US

heterochromatic
The book was written by a Muslim for Muslims….. newlyweds specifically…and it echoes the Quran.

I posted it because I said I was against Sharia law here in the US and got called a racist for it…I’m not a racist….but I do like putting Muslims who call me racist on the spot wink

I presented it as something a Muslim could relate to….even if they wouldn’t admit it..and that’s the whole point….this article is about someone who was plotting against this country, whether we agree with that or not…the courts decided it…

I am totally against this war and this isn’t the first time I’ve gotten flack over it…but usually I get called unpatriotic

Since Bachman’s not a Muslim I don’t see the analogy….irregardless her religious views aren’t mine

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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

“I hear the juiciest bit is how to use the sword blade on the defenseless prisoners neck and the witnesses must all yell “Allah akbar!” as the blood spurts out of the severed carotid artery.”

OzarkMichae;

Where would I find this information?


Ever here what White Phosphorous and cluster bombs do to Muslim children I can produce photos and proof, can you? “God Bless America!”

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By OzarkMichael, April 16, 2012 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

Those of you who defend Tarek Mehanna as if he is just a typical Muslim, have you read his latest pamphlet about how to execute prisoners captured for jihad?

I hear the juiciest bit is how to use the sword blade on the defenseless prisoners neck and the witnesses must all yell “Allah akbar!” as the blood spurts out of the severed carotid artery.

Aint free speech grand? Aint it awful how this ordinary Muslim is being persecuted? Lets blame those evil corparations for all this injustice. Grrr Grrr!

Go get ‘em Truthdiggers.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

it was not at all rhetorical…. you offered some book by some person unknown to
me to have any claim to speak for the religion and attempted to present it as
representative of the beliefs of the many. I wish to know why you’re justified in
doing that….and asked.

what’s the trick?


why should we believe that the damn idiot who wrote the thing is not an analog of
the crazy-assed Bachmann?

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

I do believe I answered one of them, heterochromatic….Bachman is a joke…..the other is a trick question….therefore I considered it rhetorical

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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

“If you were born here and prefer the laws of those afore mentioned countries I’m sure they’ll be glad to have you…but what this article is about is someone who didn’t like this country.”


It would seem kathymm that you and your comrades in the local trailer park know little of the laws of this land. No one should be locked up for 17 years for speaking their mind in a country that boast of “free speech”.

Many American spoke out against slavery when slavery was the law of the land; will history view you and your ilk the same way we now view them?

Tarek Mehann like Jane Fonda are the true patriots who want to take back America from you “Corporate NAZIS”.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

kathymm——I didn’t call you anything at all, I asked you a couple of questions
and would like an answer to the first of them.

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

LOL…this is amusing…you amuse me -  Vector56, and moonraven, and heterochromatic

You don’t even know me, but I stand by what I said…. I believe if people want to immigrate to the US, they should abide by our laws….not try to infiltrate theirs….if you want to live by Sharia law, there’s plenty of other countries where that is the law of the land….here it is not.

What I find so humorous is being called a racist by those who use racist teminology themselves…. I mean ya gotta laugh LOL

And I laugh at Bachman also…LOL..this is funny…

If you were born here and prefer the laws of those afore mentioned countries I’m sure they’ll be glad to have you…but what this article is about is someone who didn’t like this country.

I’m not defending what Bush-Cheney did….I fight it tooth and nail and try to educate those who aren’t aware, and I’m the first to speak up about it…, but again, this article is about someone who went to Yemen and wanted to be trained for Jihad…...why didn’t he stay there?

I could go on….but I just can’t wait to see the next attacks….LOL

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

two fucking inmates

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

First thing to learn is that all mothers love their children.  All people should realize that those that wantonly kill come from all Races, all Religions, all Nationalities, and all Political persuasions.

Those who foment wars to seek profit are the worst of the worst but one thing is also for sure:

Terrorists are people who terrorize the innocent.  No one is guilty because of their race, Religion, Nationality, or sex.  Did I leave anyone out?

To Abeer and her family the terrorists wore U S Army uniforms.  And what those soldiers did raised an army of hatred for America.

Since the insurgents who were seeking revenge didn’t know exactly who murdered the Al-Janabi family they chose U S Soldiers from that Army Unit to abduct and be-head - soldiers innocent of any malice toward the Al-Janabi family.

Something tells me those Human beings wanted to live just as much as any of the U S Soldiers, or any of you or me.

Iraq did nothing to America.  Iraq was invaded for the profits the Corporations would realize.  Nothing else.

How many of the Corporations leaders and their incestuous Government partners have been tried for the million plus deaths they have caused in Iraq?

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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic,

will you please “stop being reasonable”! I had gotten so use to you being a “two-dimensional character”.

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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

“At this moment most have been moved out of Libya and replaced with REGULAR US troops from Iraq, and are now fighting against the government in Syria. “


if the above is true (as I also suspect it is) then the game has been over for a long time and moonraven is a sane person in an asylum of obedient corporate sheep.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

kathymm———is this writer someone with whom you’re familiar and feel
speaks for the billion Muslims on the planet?


are you someone who believes that Michele Bachmann speaks for all Americans
when she describes for views on marital relations.


=====” “The husband is to be the head of the wife, according to God.” It is a
philosophy that Michele Bachmann echoed to congregants of the the Living
Word Christian Center in 2006, when she stated that she pursued her degree in
tax law only because her husband had told her to. “The Lord says: Be
submissive, wives. You are to be submissive to your husbands,” she said.
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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

kathymm;

You are a racist.

Did you know the current Pope was a NAZI?

You see all religions have their dark side, Islam is no different. “Your God only knows” the evils of Christianity.

Most of the people in the old South who “own” human slaves were Christians; most of the racist who dwell there today are Christians. All of the NAZIS were and are Christian!

So, please crawl back into that dark cold place you call a heart and allow your hate to consume you.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment

vector, vector, vector:  Al Qaeda ARE US troops—they are what is called “irregulars”—but they were created, funded, equipped and deployed by the US government agency the CIA.

At this moment most have been moved out of Libya and replaced with REGULAR US troops from Iraq, and are now fighting against the government in Syria.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

vec—-In Afghanistan, the bulk of the innocent folks are killed by the not-US
group.


http://youtu.be/9AcLHAH4Kno

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

kathymm:

You ARE a racist, and your handle is right—you are mad.

Why is this site crawling with racist vermin and murderous lunatics and pimps for patriotism 24/7?

I think I know:  It’s a gringo site, and I just decribed more than the majority of gringos—and some of those gringos fit into all 3 categories.

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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

Here a few “fact you won’t like, but can’t deny;

Who kills more (innocent) civilians, Al-Qaeda or Our Troops?


Who kills more Women, Al-Qaeda or Our Troops?

Who kills more “children”, Al-Qaeda or Our Troops?


The answer to all of the above is our Troops!  Anyone want to call me a a liar? 


If the above is true,than it must follow that the “war on Terror” is a lie!

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment

Vector 56….here’s just for you….

“A Gift For Muslim Couple”
http://www.idarastore.com/islamic-books/english-books/a-gift-for-muslim-couple/prod_64.html

You should like it since you are so quick to defend Muslims and call those who don’t “RACISTS”

It’s a ‘guide’ for newlyweds….with SPECIFIC instructions on how a husband should treat his
wife

EXCERPT:
‘Pull her by the ear, beat her by hand or stick’

within the book’s opening pages it states that
‘it might be necessary to restrain her with strength or even to threaten her.’

It continues: ‘The husband should treat the wife with kindness and love, even if she tends to
be stupid and slow sometimes.’

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By Free Thinker, April 16, 2012 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment
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And when the fog of war dissipates, the few Americans with active souls will look themselves in the mirror and find out that A-Qaeida and its associates were their fellow Americans in the political-military-corporate-industrial complex!

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

Racist pimp for patriotism IGNORED.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

goatie——I doubt that Romney is sincere about that shit he was spouting
concerning Iran…. and how would that lead to missiles exploding all over the US?

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment

Headbanger IGNORED.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

executing captive soldiers as retribution for the crimes of different people isn’t a
crime?????

or you simply want to pretend it’s not because you’re vexed?

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt:

You really should let go of your nostalgia for something that never existed.

The USA was never democratic, nor a republic, nor was it intended to be.

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By Free Thinker, April 16, 2012 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment
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Pre-emptive attacks against American Muslims and Muslim countries in the last ten years is not the only sign of America’s decadence and regression on the scale of civilization and the loss of what little it had of moral compass.

Consider this: Tonight during the primetime on MSNBC half an our international news there was the usual scratch-the-surface of the Secret Service Scandal in Columbia, the GSA Scandal, the 130 tornados that swept five states and the Kabul attacks on NATO headquarters and some other minor fillers. If you deduct from this one-third of the half hour international interruption by commercials, then one is left with twenty minutes superficial coverage on many serious issues.

On the other hand, MSNBC news are followed by a two one-hour programs; one half-hour program is called Inside Edition, and another half-hour program is called Access Hollywood. These two programs deal with the scandals, pervert life styles and so-called news of the rich and famous. Of course, these two programs overlap a lot and repeat the same scandalous lives of the less than 1% of the population! Then on the heal of this follows the other so-called entertaining program called the Voice! And you might know what other so-called Reality Shows and soap obras and violent detective episodes would follow throughout the precious time of the evening and night time.

My point is this: Since this is how the corporate media robs you from your precious time for serious reading, serious education and simply reflection on what is going on in these sad dis-United States of America and the world and the havock the minorty elite are reeking on the majority sheepish!

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

Yes, it IS unfair, headbanger.

Mitt Romney intends to put long range missile warheads exploding all over Gringolandia by attacking Iran.

And he’s a Mormon.

And no one has arrested this bellicose butthead.  Millions will vote for him to provoke this destruction, including YOU, headbanger.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 16, 2012 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

The USA are the invaders. So the killing of the soldiers in a foreign land they had no right to be in isn’t a crime. Except of course for the invaders who have the power an so make or ignore laws as they will. Me? I would never have sent them there. An I wish we could send all those over paid skin flints who allowed the president to make war too. They want war then by their god they should risk their own lives at it. Seems only fair. (Something that will never happen in our real world.)

The list for arrests an liquidations will be long. I wonder how many have created such lists now in our clandestine services an secret military units. So far if they have need of them we wouldn’t know of their use. They are already operating in more than 150 nations right now! Sooner or later they will use their form of policing, using drones to kill, in this country. Just you wait an of course by then it is way too late to save whatever is left of our Democratic-Republic. Death of a thousand cuts as the ancient Chinese torture only here it is all true blue an Christian as it cuts away at the secular form of our gov’t. Till it is just a false version of itself.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

There are now soldiers who are random?

Just what was needed—deliberate killers and now random killers to spice up the mix.

Stop pimping for patriotism!

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

====“NEW YORK: The lone suspect to face trial in what US prosecutors call an
al Qaeda-inspired plot to attack the New York City subway system fully
intended to put his jihadist training to work by suicide bomb, an assistant US
attorney told a jury on Monday.     

But Adis Medunjanin, 28, a US citizen born in Bosnia, had backed out of the plot
to which two other men have pleaded guilty, his defense lawyer countered in
opening arguments in a case Attorney General Eric Holder called one of the
most serious threats to US security since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.”======

http://dawn.com/2012/04/16/man-plotted-suicide-bomb-on-nyc-subway-
prosecutor/
———

here’s another case where this poor guy is being picked upon because he’s a
Muslom.

If he was a Mormon planning to detonate a bomb on the NYC subway, no one
would ever have arrested him!

It’s so unfair.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

Maani:

Yes, OBL was visited in the American Hospital in Dubai by his CIA handlers—including a visit just shortly before he died in Dec e,ber of 2001.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

so were the three guys who beheaded the random American soldiers put on trial
for their murders?

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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment

TequilaKid;

“The difference between Mehanna and the MEK is that Mehanna’s political-military activities, were directed against the US, and the MEK’s activities are directed against the Iranian theocracy! “


That’s it in a nut shell isn’t; the so-called “War on Terror” has nothing to do with attacking and killing civilians per say unless it is “us” or our allies.

When Orlando Bosch blew up a Cuban airplane killing 80 people (with CIA help) that was not “Terrorism”.
When the mahujadeen (Al Qaeda)used the same tactics to kill Russian Soldiers during “Charlie Wilson’s War” that was not Terrorism.

As long as the MEK are killing people their Corporate Masters want dead clowns like heterochromatic,

kathymm;

“but anyway, I DON’T WANT SHARIA in America - period”

OzarkMichael;

and

TequilaKid;

will always be around to drive home Hedges point, “First They come for the Muslims”.

Iran is not my enemy; just because BP wants their oil back I will not submit to the idea that they should be bombed or starved into submission.


As far as “wiping out” (killing) everyone who is apart of Al Qaeda, like the NAZIS wanted to wipe out the Jews, I say “No!”

So far we have killed millions of Muslims for the lives of 3000 Americans; when will enough ever be enough for these blood thirsty bastards?

EXXON Mobile and BP are “never” going to leave their lands until every drop of oil is drained from the ground. These phonies who I named above will never have the guts to admit that “oil” is what all the killing is about, so they “cling” to their Corporate Masters cover stories and claim that it is about “survival, freedom and not being made to live under “SHARIA law”.

They all know that if we left their lands and allowed them to control their own natural resources “it” (conflict) would be over and they would never bother us again! We all also know that our Corporate Masters will never allow this to happen, therefor the killing will go on for generations.

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By Cliff Carson, April 16, 2012 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

“yet if we were to somehow bring Abeer al-Janabi back to life in the moment she was being gang-raped by your soldiers, to put her on that witness stand and ask her who the ‘terrorists’ are, she sure wouldn’t be pointing at me.”

This incident is what got me to writing about the immorality of what our Government is becoming.

Actually it was a comment on a thread once the incident became known - after an attempted cover-up by the soldiers involved and their superiors.  The comment?

“They should get a pat on the back and a thank you for a job well done”

This statement was made after the details became public knowledge.

What were the details?

The soldiers manning an outpost in Iraq saw the 13 year old Abeer for days before the rape and killing.  They thought she was really pretty and fantasized about raping her.  Then they decided to do it.

They entered the home on a couple of occasions claiming they needed to search for insurgents to scout the place, then the next day they entered again on the same pretext, but then they begin.

The soldiers took her mother and father and her 8 year old sister into another room and shot them in the head.

Then they gang raped her and when finished shot her in the head.

To cover for their crimes they poured gasoline over the bodies ( on Abeer from her waist up) and set them on fire.

Then they spayed bullets in the house and reported to their superiors that they had been involved in a firefight with insurgents.

That would have been the end of it except some of the insurgents kidnapped three soldiers and beheaded them giving a statement that the be-headings were for the justice for the Al-Janabi family.

One of the soldiers involved in the rape and killing of the Al-Janabi family was so devastated that his action led to the be-headings confessed to his Chaplin, who reported up the line about what had happened.

Then the attempted cover-up began by the Higher-ups.  And it would have been successful had not the Chaplin persisted.

Here might be a good time to remind any reader that it took two years to reveal the Mai Lai massacre because of the attempted cover-up by high ranking officers and even when it became common knowledge in the Senate only one Senator had the courage to rise and say “This is not right - we are better than this”.

Now everyone knows what happen - if you don’t look it up.

We maintain our Moral compass only when we insist that criminal acts be punished.  And that the weakest among us have the same rights and protections as the strongest among us.

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By samueltheseeker, April 16, 2012 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment
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They can come for me any time. I’m ready. There’s an eternity awaiting us where truth and justice, goodness and mercy, are the air we breathe. When the left returns to its spiritual roots, it will again draw upon a power and strength unknown (yet feared) by the dark side. He may sometimes talk about these things indirectly or abstractly, but this is what Chris knows, where he stands. Let’s stand with him, and the gates of hell cannot prevail.

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

WRONG vector56

It is NOT “racist” to object to our constitution being subverted by foreign laws….Islam is NOT a religion, it is a political ideology, and as such is corruptible

Already numerous businesses have been sued for not bowing to their demands - and even sometimes when they do… when anyone else would be glad just to have a job.

And don’t get me started on their family “policies”

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

far too many fools are buying into the Islamist argument that to fight against ANY
bunch of shitheads who espouse the Muslim faith is to be fighting against the
faith and hating EVERY Muslim…

It’s total bullshit and the worst part of it is that there are Americans who actually
agree with it….

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By vector56, April 16, 2012 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

kathymm;

“but anyway, I DON’T WANT SHARIA in America - period”

TequilaKid:

“almost all Muslim political organizations,  are intent on turning this country into a Muslim utopia, with sex segregation, mandatory chanting of the Koran, and no criticism of Islam.”

 

These two “racist” clowns are living examples of the title of this post; (“First They Come for the Muslims”).

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By TequilaKid, April 16, 2012 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

I must really protest against this confusion of two completely different issues: on the one hand the ruling oligarchy is tightening the screws. On the other hand the government is combating Islamic terrorism. Islamic terrorism is NOT our ally in the struggle against the oligarchy.
I am fed up with these constant propaganda campaigns trying to make the Muslims seem part of the downtrodden masses being ripped off like the rest of us. They are not!
Many Muslims, and almost all Muslim political organizations,  are intent on turning this country into a Muslim utopia, with sex segregation, mandatory chanting of the Koran, and no criticism of Islam.
Don’t kid yourselves. Islam is just as bad as corporate Fascism. And it is NOT a reliable ally against corporate Fascism.

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

to ControlledDemolition

I agree…Muslims in general shouldn’t be blamed for 911….but after all the Saudis are the worst kind…
but anyway, I DON’T WANT SHARIA in America - period

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By Jeff N., April 16, 2012 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

moonraven- haha I can’t argue with that.. although I would probably take Worcester over Springfield personally.

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By ControlledDemolition, April 16, 2012 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

As-salaam aleikhum!

The corporate fascism is becoming so obvious to so many people, that the sheer numbers is a positive sign.  We will have to see how this klein bottle of reality unfolds.  But I find a couple of other ideas hopeful for a massive uprising of humanness vs robot-consciousness of the fascists.

One, the Republicans take on the women of the U.S.

Two, we get a real investigation into the tragic anomalies of 911.

Several readers have remarked on Two.  I’d emphasize how critically important first impressions are, as manipulated by the psyops-bots.  If the official narrative was that explosives brought down the Towers and the lateral ejections of material, the “squibs,” were evidence of such demolitions (moving tons of material sideways, not downward), you would believe it to be clearly represented by the videos.  If, then, a conspiracy theorist came along and offered the idea that gravity caused the complete destruction of the buildings and that the lateral squibs were simply puffs of air from compression, you probably wouldn’t consider it further, thinking it a crazy idea from a conspiracy loony.  The weigh from the top floors, you might argue, is not going to crush 250,000 tons of structural steel and, simultaneously, disintegrate everything into dust.  Won’t happen—especially when you examine the videos and recognize that there is no “top of the building” that’s more than 4 or 5 floors thick (obscured by the exploding dust cloud).

But, of course, it’s the other way around.

- CD

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By Maani, April 16, 2012 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

Tony:

Thanks for the link.  Here is another:

http://sanderhicks.com/911Primer.html

Moonraven:

Thank you for your correect history lesson on Al Qaeda.  The Taliban and Al Qaeda were the outgrowth of the U.S. arming the mahujadeen during the Afghan war with the U.S.S.R.  OBL was the leader of the largest faction for which the CIA was providing materiel and intelligence support.  And as has been proven (not just alleged), OBL spent time each year (both prior to and after 9/11) at the American hospital in Dubai for treatment of kidney disease, and was visited by CIA personnel during each of his visits.

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By diamond, April 16, 2012 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

“First They Came for Al-Qaida”

Well that might be difficult, since it was an invention of the CIA and is used the same way that Goldstein was used in the book ‘1984’. Trying to grab al Qaida is like trying to grab dust. They know they can’t do that but what they can do is persecute and falsely imprison any Muslim thinking the ‘wrong thoughts’ or speaking the ‘wrong ideas’. Stalin would understand completely. It was the Russians who invented ‘thought crime’ and that’s what you’re dealing with here. The problem is that this kind of craziness will destroy what’s left of America’s justice system and will make anyone of the ‘wrong’ political persuasion or religion vulnerable to arrest and the same persecution and injustice now being meted out to Muslims. Defending this kind of lawless behaviour is not only nutty, it’s also self-destructive. It’s the CIA version of the law and anyone who knows their history knows what that means.

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By Marian Griffith, April 16, 2012 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment
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@Ozark Michael

The issue here is not whether or not Mr.Mehanna is supporting Al Quaida or not.

The issue is that he was convicted without evidence, on prosecuters lying (under oath) and under laws that can ‘disappear’ without right to trial anybody the government, or their corporate handlers, deem troublesome enough to label them ‘terrorists’.

Most of all he was convicted for something he -might do-, not a crime he actually had commited.

You too might be disappeared on trumped up charges just because some police officer thinks that one day you might shap and take an automatic rifle into the local post office.

And it might not be cause for concern to you, but the national intelligence fabrication organisation already has made a test run in fabricating evidence that linked some OWS activists to Al Quaida based on nothing more than the fact that some of Al Quaida spokesmen favourably mentioned them and the OWS movement. These laws and the practices that are reported on in this article make that sufficient to lock anybody up for life in an undisclosed prison, or toss them out of a plane 200 miles off the california coast (since nobody ever will know the difference).

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By berne Mills, April 16, 2012 at 11:48 am Link to this comment
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It seems that America can demonize whom ever they finger. McCarthyism is
alive and well in America today on an expanded basis. During the McCarthy era
in the U.S. any one who exhibited a social (read socialist or communist) bone
were persecuted. Entertainers like Paul Robeson and Pete Seeger were black
balled in America along with many others. Today the reach of, “Justice for
corporations” runs deep enough to persecute economists like Herman Daly that
have spoken out against American economic policy. The judiciary is now an
election process and everyone knows money controls the elective process and
trumps voter rights. The media is controlled by advertising dollars of
corporations and as Woody Gutherie found out, unless you’re willing to sing
their song you will never get air time. Americans seem to be in denial of their
own image in the world. In Blackhawk comics Chop Chop was a good Chinese
but all the rest of China were demonized.
George W. Bush asked, “Why do they hate us so?” Americans do not see
themselves as a part of the problem they believe they are Gods give to the
world, perhaps this is their rationalization to believe what they do?
When the paradigm shift occurs, and these things never happen over night
America will be rudely awakened. 9/11 should have been a wake up call to
reassess America’s role or belief system.
One writer above wrote of the First Nations struggle with early settlers. A sad
era in American history. Treaty after treaty was abrogated by greed. America in
the modern world 150 years later is still not known for keeping its word. Trade
treaties are made to be broken, if American’s don’t like a treaty they fight it all
the way to World Trade Organization.
In the ‘good old days’ a handshake and a man’s word was worth everything.
Contract Law and litigation has made of farce of humanitarianism and the social
contract.
America has a lot to learn and it’s going to be painful.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

Jeff:

Getouta there.

Worcester has always been a dump.

I thought Springfield was bad, but Worcester is worse.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

ozark hillbilly:

Al Qaeda is your mother.

Al Qaeda was created in the early 80s by the CIA, and that egency has maintained Al Qaeda as an active mercenary force since then.  They did such a bang up (bunghole rape) job in Libya that they were deployed to Syria.

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

should have been JOINS

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By moonraven, April 16, 2012 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

Worcester is not all that far from Salem—about an hour’s driving time last time I was there (20 years ago).

The misogynist witch trials still haunt the streets of Salem.

Now the Worcestor Witch-hunt oins Salem and Plymouth and Deerfield and many other Massachusetts highlight spots on the Genocide Trail.

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By Slumberjack, April 16, 2012 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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Mehanna’s whining about “hundreds of thousands of Muslims … killed and maimed by the U.S. military” is revolting.  US imperialism is equally brutal to Catholic Latin Americans, Buddhist Vietnamese and Orthodox Christian Serbs. But for Muslims, infidels don’t count. Only Muslims’ lives are sacred.
Perhaps that is the reason why the population of the Middle East is today 90% Muslim – because over the last century or so the Muslims have killed or expelled many millions of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and people of other faiths. 
With his hypocritical whining, Mehanna merely confirms that Islam equals genocide.

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By jimmmmmy, April 16, 2012 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

Vector I watch RT and I find Alyonas valley girl routine annoying . but I enjoy her guests even when they seem to have to carry her through the discussion. Is she for real or is it just marketing? I also watch Ratigan on MSNBC occaisonally and he does this disjointed speach thing that I think is a theatrical device. Also I find her mocking of Ayan Hirzi Ali who has suffered mutilation under the “kind"muslim clerics at least disrepectful.

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By OzarkMichael, April 16, 2012 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Again Chris Hedges leaves objective journalism in the dust. To be fair, he warned us he would do this a long time ago, so anyone who trusts the ‘facts’ that he presents is knowingly being led down the garden path.

The article headline alone is quite misleading. A more truthful headline would be:

“First They Came for Al-Qaida”

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By Jeff N., April 16, 2012 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

wow, I live in Worcester, MA and didn’t even know about this.. wooops.

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By MK Ultra, April 16, 2012 at 10:33 am Link to this comment
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Alas! Fascism has come to Amerika, wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross.

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By balkas, April 16, 2012 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

as far as i had been able to ascertain, most muslims are devoted to their ulema [body of mullahs] and these to AMERICANISM—a special
branch of personal supremacism and, of course, their own religious infallibility and brand of personal supremacism.
so, US ONEPERCENT or THE TWENTYPERCENT have absolutely nothing to fear from islam or muslims.
mohammed and koran approves of american supremacism. in fact, if US wld be as islamic as s. arabia, US 1% wld be overjoyed with it.
ruling the populace, then, wld be just fun and games. there wld not be any harping, carping, complaining as long as the 1% leaves allah
alone.
islam does not, of course, approve of US soldiers in their lands; in the main, i think, because US soldiers have an issue with islam. 
one can, thus, expect, that, say 98% of muslims in US will vote for romney/obama.                       
but it is not only islam which is fiercely pro americanism, all other cults also are.
however, CH, assiduously eschews these facts.
and since, say, 70-80% of pious americans are loyal to the two parties, or really two wings of one goose, the goose wins every election.
so, if we do not get the clergy onside, expect only worsenings!
occupy churches, beg them on your knees, kissass if u have to, might be a lot more useful than protesting or occupying WS.
but, then, is it too late to change US THOUGHT no matter what one does?
in any case, i think that CH and most dissenters vastly underestimate capabilities of the Twentypercent to maintain their stranglehold on
US governance.

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By kathymm, April 16, 2012 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

Bummer….Chris Hedges calls the conviction and sentencing of Tarek Mehanna “tawdry show trials against Muslim activists” and “criminalization of what people say and believe” in other words the first amendment…..but there’s MUCH more to it than that

I personally have witnessed “home grown” terrorist phenomena….a first generation born Russian who spoke about how as a child he wanted to see the “Motherland” AND HOW HIS IMMIGRANT PARENTS WHO ESCAPED FROM THERE WOULD “JUST SHAKE THEIR HEADS…” This man actually rooted for the Russians and Nazis in movies - and would become so upset when they lost I saw him break the glass he was holding while spittle flew from his mouth.

This fits with O’Toole observations who said Mehanna had a “strong and magnetic personality,” and some of his characteristics were “noble and praiseworthy,” but there was also something “horrifying” about him and, as he reviewed the case, “the horrifying came into dominance.”

Tarek Mehanna who came from comfortable suburban Sudbury even traveled to Yemen in search of terror training in 2004 and later used the Internet to spread Al Qaeda’s message

I have to go along with Chakravarty who said Mehanna had a “perverted interpretation of a great faith.”

At Lincoln-Sudbury High School, he learned of oppression in his own country, that America had enslaved African-Americans and locked up Japanese-Americans, that the government had imprisoned people like Eugene Debs and Emma Goldman, not for their actions but because it was threatened by their ideas…..

So what does this child of MODERN US privilege do?  He turns RADICAL, using what else: what they all do - use OUR OWN LAWS, to hide behind…

Too bad they didn’t catch him in that YEMEN TRAINING CAMP

HEY but look at the bright side….Tarek will be a hero in prison….prime breeding ground for converting more home grown terrorists

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By balkas, April 16, 2012 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

hetero?
am i mistaken when i conclude that you gave me an ad hominem praise
in your post @ 6:59?
but praise be not mine. almost nothing i posit is solely mine. ideas i
posit belongs to ages and sages.
no, i am not an insula nor insular; i teach and am being taught; i like to
lead and be led, listen to others and being listened to, obey others
[especially my wife] and being obeyed, etc.

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By gregorylkruse, April 16, 2012 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

I haven’t often seen the name Ed Rendell and Howard Dean listed alongside John Bolton and Rudy Giuliani. We are edging toward a racial cataclysm that will not end well for brown people in the short run, but will result in a steady decline of civilization that will devastate the palefaces in the long run. The technology that provided the means of survival in cold climates has metastasized into a great variety of killing machinery, the efficiency of which surpasses anything that has come before.  As the world discovered in the 1930’s and ‘40’s, efficiency of the killing machinery can only be compared to the stupidity of the operators, which apparently now include Ed Rendell and Dr. Howard Dean.

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By TequilaKid, April 16, 2012 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

The headline “First they came for the Muslims” is flatly contradicted by the content of the article. It’s ridiculous to claim that Mehanna was convicted because he is a Muslim, since the Mujahedeen al Khalq (MEK), the Persian terrorist group that is popular with the GOP, is ALSO MUSLIM!
The difference between Mehanna and the MEK is that Mehanna’s political-military activities, were directed against the US, and the MEK’s activities are directed against the Iranian theocracy!
Mehanna was convicted because he is deemed to be America’s enemy, and the MEK are assisted because they are deemed to be America’s friends!
I am not necessarily saying that this is fair, I am only saying that the underlying reason is not hostility to Muslims, but hostility to America’s enemies. There are many Muslims who occupy important positions in the federal government. They are favored for political reasons, namely because they are LOYAL MUSLIMS!
Chris Hedges’ way of presenting the problem is completely manipulative and propagandistic

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By gerard, April 16, 2012 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Wrong caption… again! “FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE LEAST EDUCATED AND MOST HYSTERICAl WHITE AMERICANS THEY COULD FIND”—and sold them a bill of goods.

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By oregoncharles, April 16, 2012 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

So Nader was right:  “not a dime’s worth of difference.”

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By Mad Angel on FB, April 16, 2012 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
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Too bad they didn’t catch him at that Yemen TRAINING CAMP in 2004….then we wouldn’t be having this discussion and people decrying the 1st amendment

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By Lee Oates, April 16, 2012 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

Unfortunately, a people who have been programed to respond in fear based on stereptyped foes are almost impossible to change.  Adolph Hitler was the master at this type of manipulation second only to the Republicans now.  America is rapidly transforming into a Fascist State, and justice is becoming a national joke.  Which is part of the reason the US has the largest jailing rate in the world. Your right when you mentioned that if the injustice against Muslims is allowed, it is just a matter of time before all Americans suffer the same.

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By Lee Oates, April 16, 2012 at 8:59 am Link to this comment
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Thanks Chris.  Unfortunately, a people who have been programed to respond in fear based on stereptyped foes are almost impossible to change.  Adolph Hitler was the master at this type of manipulation second only to the Republicans now.  America is rapidly transforming into a Fascist State, and justice is becoming a national joke.  Which is part of the reason the US has the largest jailing rate in the world. Your right when you mentioned that if the injustice against Muslims is allowed, it is just a matter of time before all Americans suffer the same.

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By Mad Angel on FB, April 16, 2012 at 8:35 am Link to this comment
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Bummer….Chris Hedges calls the conviction and sentencing of Tarek Mehanna “tawdry show trials against Muslim activists” and “criminalization of what people say and believe”

Tarek Mehanna promoted Al Qaeda on the Internet.

I personally have witnessed “home grown” terrorist phenomena….a first generation born Russian who spoke about how he wanted to see the “Motherland” AND HOW HIS IMMIGRANT PARENTS WHO ESCAPED FROM THERE WOULD “JUST SHAKE THEIR HEADS…” This man actually rooted for the Russians and Nazis in movies - and would become so upset when they lost I saw him break the glass he was holding while spittle flew from his mouth.

This fits with O’Toole observations who said Mehanna had a “strong and magnetic personality,” and some of his characteristics were “noble and praiseworthy,” but there was also something “horrifying” about him and, as he reviewed the case, “the horrifying came into dominance.”

Tarek Mehanna who came from comfortable suburban Sudbury even traveled to Yemen in search of terror training in 2004 and later used the Internet to spread Al Qaeda’s message

I have to go along with Chakravarty who said Mehanna had a “perverted interpretation of a great faith.”

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By jimmmmmy, April 16, 2012 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

Vector ,what was done to the Panthers was much worse. They were an expression of the civil right movement that was ultimately destroyed by the rising police state

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By jimmmmmy, April 16, 2012 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

I’m a an avid reader of Mr. Hedges work and own several of his books . Like this article a lot of his stuff leaves me conflicted .I share his horror of the emerging police state and will vote “none of the above” at election time. That said , when someone self identifies as a Muslim or Christian or Jew, what springs to my mind is first the word “idiot” quickly followed by possible “fanatic”. Its just the way I’m made . I greatly enjoyed the debates between Hedges and Hitchens and even when I sympathized with Mr. Hedges I was still more entertained by Hitchens. He at least seemed to be trying to shed his coating of Christo- Capitalism . Mr. hedges latest rejection of black bloc strategies strikes me as a historical error, but his front line participation in the struggle makes me respect him greatly, another mental conflict to sort through.

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By heterochromatic, April 16, 2012 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

yup, balkas, it was simply horrible how we sacrificed Dick Noxon and the shame
shrouds the nation still. is brilliance from you to say this and free plumbing
forever is due you as reward.

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By Uncle Bob, April 16, 2012 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

sounds like Phillip K. Dick’s ‘Minority Report” minus the “pre cogs”

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By Free Thinker, April 16, 2012 at 7:55 am Link to this comment
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Thanks to Chris Hedges and Downs, we know now for certain that the so-called American Dream for all free thinkers and dissidents has turned out to be the ultimate Nightmare, as their sacred right to free speech and dissent is criminalized by the real crimnals running this country!

As one of those free thinkers, I realize now that my fate was not kind to me when I was misled by the concept of the U.S.A. as a haven of freedom, a situation that led me to emigrate to these sad United States of America.

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