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Posted on Jul 11, 2011
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By Mike Farrell

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On too many levels, it’s also a lonely fight. Upon seeing the degree of craziness—and personal danger—Weinstein, his family and the MRFF staff face on a regular basis, I offered a bit of help and am now a member of its advisory board. Though I’ve dealt with cults and their apologists in the past, working with the Cult Awareness Network (the original CAN that was put out of business and taken over by Scientologists), I was only vaguely aware of the degree of religious wackiness in the military. Now, I find the parallels striking. And dangerous. The level of vitriol directed at this work by so-called Christians, most of it at Weinstein himself, demonstrates a degree of loopiness I haven’t encountered since mixing it up with the Moonies, Scientologists and other groups back in the anti-cult days.

Aside from dealing with the everyday verbal and written assaults like “Kike”; leader of “the forces of Satan”; “devoted servant of Satan”; “… are all Jews just money-grubbing busybodies”; “… grind yourself into dust against the wave of Christianity that is sweeping this nation”; “… you and your atheist comrades’ days are running out”; “jew lawyer crybaby who sucks moslems (sic) c**k…”; and other such homilies from his Christian detractors, Weinstein and the MRFF (now including a security staff to deal with death threats and assassination attempts) work to safeguard the right to religious freedom of thousands of Marines, sailors, soldiers and airmen and women of all faiths (96 percent of them Christian—Catholics and Mainline Protestants), Academy staff, cadets, midshipmen, military personnel and others whose education, jobs and careers are in jeopardy if they fail to toe the line dictated by military superiors who claim to be the only true followers of Jesus of Nazareth. 

So think about it. Please. Unless you’re comfortable with the idea of a hyper-Christian American military, do something.

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By Gabriel, July 23, 2011 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

As usual [for us] posting disclosure material on TD brings repercussions. 3 high end WIFI hotspots have been nuked in our area, 2 of which belonged to conservative corporate elites, LOL. EM field is now covering a 2km area making it hard to connect to WIFI next door, for everyone .. we’re working to disable it.
To bypass this we now use super cantennas, parabolic dishes and also help with high output APs to facilitate freedom of speech. We are also working on radical design: http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2001/uk2001dm.jpg ... the part on right hand side.
Better view: http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2000/uk2000ee.jpg
Just using 4 or 5 flat plates for center part of design multiplies signal by factor of 10. Hint: leave out second largest disk if not using secondary and subsequent plates.
By adding next 2 parts [1 on each side] a factor of 20. etc.
This design is much better than any conventional antenna design. It also seems to block interference signals and can be used as sender.
Result: with super cantennas and dishes we get about 5km range. With new design more than 100km and up to infinity, like it or not. wink Conservative corporate shills beware ... you suck!
Main shill in our area has been found, stopped and asked to move .. out of whole area. That or pay our “fee schedule” rates of 10k per hour, 100k per incident, 1M if detained and/or injured by the system.
This is the way to fight an enemy that operates on money. The only way you’ll win.

@LocalHero: I agree smile .. ITW and others have a problem of dismissal of anything outside their small frame of mind. No problem, they’ll be left behind.

@radson: you warned me, I played anyway, much more to this than is apparent wink .. reps, dems, ruling class, all the same idiots at the bottom of the barrel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1if6tJO2GA .. and their filthy rich buddies world wide. This is about waking up and not being controlled by them. It’s a fight for hearts and minds of everyone who will listen. If most don’t learn they will die off.

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By elisalouisa, July 19, 2011 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment

You are wrong about Mocha Savior Lew, at least as a drink. The secret is in the sauce. Only problem is I have a puppet stirrer that has already caved in.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 19, 2011 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

@ElisaLouisa

Are you sure you’re not confusing a Mocha Savior with an Iced carob mocha decaffeinated carrot coffee crapsalotta? They do have two things in common. They’re both mocha-colored and cost much more than they’re worth and are disappointingly bad.

A Mocha Savior is not a drink; it’s a complete and utter failure, a wrecking ball. A source of unparalleled embarrassment to White liberals, progressives, commies, socialists, etc.—the enlightened—who loathe fellow Whites—the benighted (crackers, honkeys, red-necks, evangelicals, republicans, the working class, etc.)—while believing that segments of society to which they do not belong, i.e. all non-White Westerners, are superior in virtue than the classes of benighted whom they loathe. These self-appointed saviors of mankind believed that an incompetent social-worker, community-organizer, and reportedly, capable mooch, could, while surrounded and guided by incompetent liberal White social-workers posing as Statesmen, lead a nation to prosperity.

They were sure that melanoma and ability were relative. Much to their chagrin—and the nation’s misfortune—they were wrong.


@ Radson

Take care. I enjoyed the banter. Hope to see ya on another topic later.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 19, 2011 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

@ Night-Gaunt, July 18 at 2:23

I read what you wrote and from what you wrote it is easily inferred that you were giving the Dems a pass because of your use of two terms that in American politics are labels for two groups, the Republicans and Democrats. The Left in U.S. politics is part and parcel of the Democratic Party make up, while Reich wing is definitely a malicious label used by the Left against the Republicans, commonly grouped and known as the Right. Add to that your ‘awkward’ sentence and you’ve got inference to ‘them bad, us good.’ That’s why I asked for YOUR definition with regards to YOUR use of the word fascist.

As I said on the other thread: We’ve much more in common than it first appeared and it matters not—in the long run—whether the ideology is considered and/or believed to be conservative, communist, socialist, libertarian, left, progressive, etc. They’re basically all the same. They are nothing but different paths to totalitarian rule of the masses by a Power Elite. It’s the way of the ape, always has been and probably it will all end that way too.

Enjoyed it and I appreciate your civility… smile

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By radson, July 19, 2011 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Lew :Read your post and I thank you for it ,your interest and knowledge of Religions is appreciated .In Poland there is an iconic figure by the name of ‘The Czarna Madonna ’ which
is rather strange perhaps to most -as she is Black .This in an extremely Catholic society ,I don’t know the origins to it ,but I do find it intriguing as it is an heirloom in many a household in Poland.The realization that humans in general wherever they resided had a mystical belief system perhaps to ward of the demons is undeniable ,it would reinforce the strength that the unknown actually is incredibly powerful especially if ‘fear ’ is introduced into the equation.When one is to consider order and or control within a civilization then the element of the unknown becomes a very powerful institutional instrument.I respect the different Religions ,but what interests me the most is the Cultural Diversity that has developed throughout history more specifically the Cuisine and the music in a sense I consider it to be as magnetizing as religion itself ,yet more altruistic and definitely less violent.

you may be getting up there in the years but that’s no excuse not to ‘shine on’

cheers

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By Inherit The Wind, July 19, 2011 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

Radson,
I sure hope so…I inferred you were calling me an Obama apologist, with the quip about over-indulging on the “drink” EL joked about, which is Lew Ceifer’s obnoxious racist reference specifically to the President.

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By radson, July 19, 2011 at 6:55 am Link to this comment

ITW :tnx for the post ,yet you know as well as I ,that I never labeled you as an ‘apologist’ so lets filter the water in that regard .Everyone has the right to vote and support the Party of their choice and I don’t question that right.The fact that you are a Democrat is not the issue at hand -and no I am not a Republican -.Many people ,probably most and not just in the
US were impressed with President Obama’s eloquent speeches ,yet after time became disillusioned with him for the obvious reasons ,of which you are aware of .Now Prez.Obama
knew before he came into office where the power lies and that he would become part of the machinery.Therefore voting for one Party or the other doesn’t necessarily represent or support the lesser of evils argument unless you do believe that the Dems may perchance delay the establishment and the corporatization of America .Was the Cairo speech a precursor of things to ‘spring’ in the Middle East ,which has now become the greater middle east and in a sense ‘Gods Playground’ with all of this religious animosity that has become so prevalent -especially in America.Brewing Religious hatreds is still a powerful tool in inspiring the masses and that hasn’t changed in centuries ,Europe at a time between
the Catholics and Protestants and Orthodox and now between the Shias and the Sunnis in the Middle East.The Crusaders are eastward bound and Religion is but a convenient distraction in this geopolitical chess-game for control and power .Will it all come to a head is not the question, but When . As far as kool-aid goes and Grym for that matter -you
know better .

cheers

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By elisalouisa, July 19, 2011 at 6:51 am Link to this comment

“I have been horribly disappointed with Obama, with his appointments, particularly to economic positions (OK, Geithner I get—nobody wanted his job—he’s a barrel-scrape), his unwillingness to call the GOP and then play his
cards, rather than fold at their bluff.He’s folding yet again, though trying to posture that he’s acting with strength.  The TRUE apologists are saying his “winning” the debt limit battle.  I say he’s already lost it, given away the farm for nothing more than the GOP gave Bush 7 times without a peep.
If there were an alternative to Obama that wouldn’t guarantee a Republican President, I’d be interested.  But Ruth Bader Ginsburg isn’t going to make it through the next term so her seat MUST NOT go to GOP President.”

Well put ITW. My sentiments also.

Lew Ceifer: Good to know we are in agreement as to Mike Farrell’s column.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 19, 2011 at 4:04 am Link to this comment

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By elisalouisa, July 18 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment


I thought Mocha Savior was a drink.

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Yeah and ITW drank too much of it è
cheers

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If by that you mean I’m an apologist for President Obama, you clearly haven’t been reading my posts for the last year, virtually ALWAYS critical of him for not taking the bold steps he needs to take, for NOT standing up to Republicans, for seeking “compromise” without realizing it’s nothing more than appeasement.

I have been horribly disappointed with Obama, with his appointments, particularly to economic positions (OK, Geithner I get—nobody wanted his job—he’s a barrel-scrape), his unwillingness to call the GOP and then play his cards, rather than fold at their bluff.

He’s folding yet again, though trying to posture that he’s acting with strength.  The TRUE apologists are saying his “winning” the debt limit battle.  I say he’s already lost it, given away the farm for nothing more than the GOP gave Bush 7 times without a peep.

If there were an alternative to Obama that wouldn’t guarantee a Republican President, I’d be interested.  But Ruth Bader Ginsburg isn’t going to make it through the next term so her seat MUST NOT go to GOP President.

The last time a sitting President was challenged in his own party, Ted Kennedy split the Democrats and helped Ronald Reagan into the White House.  That was 1980…

So, of course, radson, your smart-ass comment is bullshit.  You used to be rational but you’ve been drinking GRYM’s Kool-aid lately.

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By radson, July 18, 2011 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

By elisalouisa, July 18 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment


I thought Mocha Savior was a drink.

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Yeah and ITW drank too much of it è
cheers

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By Inherit The Wind, July 18, 2011 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

elisalouisa, July 18 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

I thought Mocha Savior was a drink.
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You mean, like, for choco-holics going through withdrawal?

(That’s certainly a pleasanter thought. Thanks for the grins, EL)

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By elisalouisa, July 18, 2011 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

I thought Mocha Savior was a drink.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 18, 2011 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

If you would have read what I had written, and copy pasted, more closely you would have seen that the Democrats weren’t left out.

When you try to associate Corporations, Fascism and Republicans—leaving out the democrats, the left—you turn a blind eye to obvious facts that simply cannot be denied or avoided.

And that the crypto-fascists had infiltrated both and lots more besides. And since I was speaking about the USA at this time it wasn’t as relevant to mention other countries already under totalitarian control. The point that it was the USA I was speaking of should have given you pause, and a definition that fits what the USA is turning into.Also why is it that out of all that I had written you glom onto one awkward sentence then see my writing as someone who is unfamiliar with the language? Odd to say the least.

Both the Liberals and Progessives still in the Republican party are against them but nearly powerless, and those that are Republican but not extreme are against it too.  But they have either been pushed out or have little power in the present parties. That is one of many problems we now have in our country.

I doubt if Nancy Pelosi is making those millions from “liberal causes” but really whatever corporate backing she has. Its a Reich wing cause that has the power not the Left. Though as you point out it would be no better with either pne. History shows us this.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 18, 2011 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

Lew,
When you have the decency to stop calling the President by a racial slur (“Mocha Savior”) and apologize for ever using, only THEN will you possibly be in a position to judge anyone.

You can call him an asshole, a whore, an idiot, a corrupt sellout, a dickhead, or whatever, without me thinking anything of it.  But to disparage him because of his color is racism, pure and simple.

I don’t apologize to racists, especially deliberate racists.

“The Right Thing” to do is to keep calling you out as what you are, a racist, based on your own words.  I will continue to do “The Right Thing”.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 18, 2011 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

@ elisalouisa, July 17 at 4:42 am

The connection between Mike Farrell’s “Catholic” upbringing and “religious extremists” is vague to say the least. Mr. Farrell’s statement A mandate from God that the adherents of this particular One True Faith should take over our nation’s institutions? is particularly mystifying.  Since when are Christian faiths united in any endeavor? Unless things have changed very drastically in recent years, the Catholic Church is not part of Fundamentalist Dominionist Christianity. What One True Faith is he talking about?

Also, one would assume that if Mr. Farrell did not understand the Mass he did not attend Catholic schools. He is making assumptions that are not true. I was taught that those who were never exposed to Christianity could not be judged in the same manner as those who were thus people in Africa or wherever who practiced their native religion or no religion at all were not “damned to hell.”  Carrying it further there was also the teaching that more was expected of those who were given certain advantages.

Evidence backing Mr. Farrell’s statements would have made his column more convincing.

As to Modern Fascism, that is in the making without religion.

Very well said. KUDOS!

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By Lew Ciefer, July 18, 2011 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, July 15 at 3:05 pm
Sorry for my awkward sentence before. Or do I need to re-translate it for you?I hope this aids you. Also you can use what is called a “search engine” to find items you are interested in learning. You haven’t stopped learning have you?

I learn something almost every day. Just yesterday I learned that politicians are given to lying. Go figure!

I do appreciate your responding. I didn’t know if I might have been dealing with a foreigner and I didn’t want to unintentionally offend. The sentence was awkward. I had to ask about crypto—to assure it wasn’t meant as Krypto but misspelled—because with all the fans of David Icke around, one has to be sure that one isn’t dealing with an army of Krypto-Nazis masqueraded as republicans and British royals.

I can take those 14 points and demonstrate how they all apply to commie/socialist regimes also. They mean nothing Night. Here’s a quick one for you ... ever hear of Ai Wei Wei or the Falung Gong? Opps! Bradley Manning eat your heart out! Go ask the Tibetans if those Yuan Hung Loews aren’t nationalistic! Flags? Have you so soon forgotten the May Day parades from the former U.S.S.R.? Rigged elections? You’ve seen the data on who it is that has controlled the government for the past 78 years Night, it’s the Demmies.

When you try to associate Corporations, Fascism and Republicans—leaving out the democrats, the left—you turn a blind eye to obvious facts that simply cannot be denied or avoided.

Nancy Pelosi’s net worth in 2009 was, reportedly, $21.7 million and today it’s $43.4 million. Fighting for Lefty causes du jour sure does pay well! Bill Clinton left the W.H. with his law license under a five year suspension and supposedly so broke that he had to have a co-signer to buy his house in N.Y. 10 years later he’s worth approximately $110+ million. How much did Hillary Clinton’s hog bonanza profit her? GE has avoided paying tax on $5 billion in profits for a single year (2010). Did the Demmies close those tax loopholes or did the Mocha Savior appoint, in February 2009, to the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board and in January of this year as chairman of his outside panel of economic advisers, GE’s CEO & COB, Jeff Immelt? Now, with all that in mind, run that ‘the Republicans are fascists’ thing by me one more time.

The brand label doesn’t matter; there is no left and right within the Power Elite. There is only what’s best for them and maintaining the status quo. It is always, without fail, more for them and less for everyone else. And the system continues, growing increasingly worse for the majority that is coerced to support it, and increasingly better for those who compose, control and manipulate it for their benefit, until it collapses. Then the cycle starts anew.

It doesn’t matter whether the boot on your neck is a left boot or a right boot.

”It appears to be a natural law that when social development has reached a certain stage, and capital has accumulated sufficiently, the class which has had the capacity to absorb it shall try to enhance the value of their property by legislation.” –Brooks Admas, “The Law of Civilization and Decay”

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By Lew Ciefer, July 18, 2011 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

@ radson, July 15 at 4:14 pm
Lew its nice to know that you are what you claim and not what you could be ,but then again I could be who you think I am .Nevertheless the more that Religions evolve ,the result seems to be the opposite as the morass extents itself .Now I say this because more people (and rightfully so ) are questioning the validity of the entire enterprise and it has reached a
state where even the most fervent are questioning the Status Quo -to blindly follow- a philosophy that is two thousand years old ,yet paradoxically the East Indians and the Chinese have been around longer yet there is no mention of them in the Holy Book.

I’m not sure I follow you Radson. I apologize.

You might want to consider reading “The Bible Unearthed.”

There’s no mention of the Chinese or East Indians because around 750 BCE, when the Jewish books are believed by many to have been compiled from ancient histories—for which there is hardly any archeological evidence to support—and myth, with a lot of political expediency added in, there probably weren’t a lot of people who knew that China and the East Indians existed. I hear that the Internet was down for several thousand years. As for the New Testament ... the Chinese and East Indians in the New Testament would be covered as gentiles.

It was a flat-earth civilization Radson, few writers of those books were well educated or well traveled. The past was not an idyllic paradise where humans lived in harmony with nature. It was mostly a hellish subsistence of constant fear filled with superstition, predators, disease, starvation, and hardships that humans today cannot even begin to imagine. It’s no wonder that they’d invent an afterlife and a make believe man in the sky in whom they could delude themselves. Life really is a bitch.

Out of curiosity ... what could I be? Who knows I may have been at one time. Did I tell you about how I used to shine? Like a morning star I was…

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By Lew Ciefer, July 18, 2011 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

@ Inherent the Wind July 15 at 9:07
There. I’ve apologized. My “debt” to you is discharged.

I knew you were incapable of doing the right thing. Having your ignorance exposed by your own big mouth was well worth the insults.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 18, 2011 at 3:51 am Link to this comment

Solar farms and wind farms are sprouting up all over the world.  As you pass through the Straits of Gibraltar you see 100 wind generators.

Where are the energy-generating pyramids?  If they worked the way you say, they’d word 24/7 and that’s ‘WAY better than solar and wind.  24/7, no pollution, no need of nuclear, no risk to New York from Indian Point.  The guy/gal who can bring that to market will be a zillionaire.

So where are they? Prototypes, Do-it-Yourself, Production models?  Where are they?

nowhere.

LocalHero, July 18 at 12:11 am Link to this comment

Gabriel, you’re quite right about promoting Nassim Haramein. He’s the most brilliant fellow I’ve come across in my lifetime but ITW will NEVER get him. Nice try though.

You don’t have to try.  Just show me a verified, validated working prototype generating a voltage across a voltmeter.  That’s all it takes to EASILY convince me.  But nothing else, no amount of rhetoric, bullying or insults will work.

Proof: A working prototype that can be duplicated.  All else is, as I continue to say, bullshit. 

See, that’s what Science is all about. Someone claims something, and if others can independently verify those results, it’s considered valid.

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By LocalHero, July 18, 2011 at 12:11 am Link to this comment

Gabriel, you’re quite right about promoting Nassim Haramein. He’s the most brilliant fellow I’ve come across in my lifetime but ITW will NEVER get him. Nice try though.

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By LocalHero, July 17, 2011 at 11:50 pm Link to this comment

Got anything to do with your life Lew C?

And, for the record, your “horrific Islamist fundamentalist terror that the world has had to endure for about 40+ years” boogey-man is a fart in the wind compared to the terror the US has dished out with relish for the last, oh, two-hundred years.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 17, 2011 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, any idiot can get himself electrocuted in a thunderstorm.

Tesla was a genius.  “Gabriel” is, well, not.  He has no understanding of Tesla.  I actually looked at that stuff.  Neither old Gabe or the other bozos he follows have a clue about Nicola Tesla, the TRUE inventor of radio (Marconi stole his ideas).

But he still can’t produce a pyramid which will make the needle on a voltmeter swing.

It’s a simple demonstration of whether the crap he claims is valid…or not.  A simple voltmeter.

Notice how he avoids THAT and how he refuses to admit that he’s never read “Demon-Haunted World” and gets more and more and more frantic and abusive….

ROFLMAO!

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, July 17, 2011 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

ITW,
Don’t you see what Gabriel is telling us? 

Gabriel, try this. 
You need a metal chair,
Seven 8’ (min) ground stakes,
21’ of copper wire,
7 galons of water, salted,
a bottle of club soda,
a swimmers cap,
a sheet of aluminum foil,
an AM (or shortwave) radio with a headphone output
a set of ear buds.

You need to get go out into the desert on a nice dark dry evening, or other place with minimum noise polution and light polution.

Arrange the ground rods, in an evenly spaced circle, 6 meter diameter, with the chair in the center.  Each ground rod is connected to the chair with a piece of copper wire.  Don’t forget to pour about a gallon of salted water slowly over the top of each ground rod just before sitting in the chair.  Use about 2 tablespoons of salt per gallon. 

Now, you have a well grounded chair.  Next, fashion a neural charging capacitor.  Insert the earbuds in your ears, and stretch the swimmers cap over your head.  Be sure the earbuds are oriented properly by testing them with ‘white noise’ from the AM radio.  Simply tune it between stations.  From a 12” x 12” sheet of aluminum foil form a ‘cap’ (capacitor) over the swimmers cap being careful not to let the aluminum foil touch your skin when the cap is in place.  This cap can be pyramid shaped, or like a pirates hat, or like a hershey’s kiss, as long as it is insulated completely from your skin by the swimmers cap.  You will not touch the cap after this.   

Next pour a cup of club soda on the metal chair, and sit down. The club soda is highly conductive, and a good ground is absolutely necessary.  Turn the AM radio to a very low volume, definitely off station.  A shortwave radio actually works better if you have one.

Now just wait one hour minimum sitting relaxed and relatively motionless.  Do not touch the cap and listen to nothing but white noise.  If you haven’t received the effect in an hour, you may have a slightly elevated humidity condition, so continue to wait.  I’d be more than happy to hear your result.  This is pure parsimony.

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By Gabriel, July 17, 2011 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

Part 2:

c) most pyramids sit on layer of harder rock which acts as better insulator. Air can and is used as resistor in specific chambers.

d) most pyramids are built on aquifers, underground rivers or honeycomb of tunnels that were/are filled with water. Water is best natural conductor of Earth’s energies to and from pyramid.

e) same as we use quartz crystals in watches ancients used specific crystals for each purpose/frequency. Color of exterior stone signified it’s purpose: power, healing, communications, etc.

f) “lightning” is the highest possible danger to a pyramid as it can split rock, fry crystals and burn metallic content in rock [evidence of such is inside great pyramid] ... outside of earthquakes. For this reason cap stone on top of pyramid was made of much harder stone and in some cases a copper or gold ring had wire led to ground.

Now maybe you also know where “Baghdad battery” fits in.

Note: not all electrical devices operate on 50 or 60 Hz of today. As many frequencies there are so there are natural devices to match them, including the human body. We actually have many different frequencies operating within our specific internal systems. Some measurable ones extend up to 100 ft from us. It is said some extend to all of earth and beyond ... which makes sense when ancients refer to “everyone talks to each other in their dreams” / sleep. Even today Temples are built on higher energy sites by Templars, Freemasons, RC Church etc.

Result: Pyramids and surrounding areas ARE Giant Natural Complex Power Plants for benefit of locals. By water, air and lay lines they were/are connected to each other World wide .. as Tesla clearly stated with his plans to provide free energy to all and demonstrated with his works.

Recent finds of high energy output under great pyramid are being studied at present. http://www.gizamap.com/geomatrix

Notice: after this you’re on your own ... and any further disrespect will not be tolerated. smile

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By Gabriel, July 17, 2011 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

@ITW
LMAO ,, crap eh? Only “some” eh?

That’s your problem genius, You don’t even check ALL evidence right in front of your face. Any professor would have kicked you out of class for being so dumb and stupid or being a pain. In olden days you would have received lashes or have rest of students kick your ass on way out as well.

What follows is the Absolute IDIOTS Guide to ancient tech: any simpler than this and you need to go back to grade one, to learn how to read and study. And or quit being a shill on TD
1. Planes: After all these posts Too lazy or too stupid to find and watch “Ancient flight reproduced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HEo2E70kg ” ? LMAO ... I state this as fact, Not as an attack.

2. Pyramid Power: Tesla’s tower was based on exact replica of pyramids, even though his is a watered down version of a pyramid.

- Absolute basics: Earth is a electromagnet as well as an electromagnetic engine/motor. Mainly it get’s it’s power from spin, friction, sun’s rays/radiation, difference between heat and cold [polarity], etc. It’s one of reasons we get lightning. Remember that word “lightning” for later.
- take any 2 conductive or semi conductive materials, like a bi-metal plate [larger than 1 ft by 1 ft], attach a rod [ground] by soldering or welding it to one side and stick it in the ground. No other part can touch ground, not even a support [if used].
- Attach the other end to OTHER side of NEW capacitor about size of C size battery, making sure other lead is not grounded.
- Take whole rig and Go outside and stick rod end [ground] in the ground for over 12 hrs.
- after 12 hrs you will find capacitor is charged to fully charged, depending on ground moisture. NOTICE: DO NOT DO THIS WHILE IT’S RAINING OR THUNDERSTORM. Resulting discharge may kill you.
- now detach capacitor carefully as not to touch both leads and or ground yourself to it
- test power output as you wish, light-bulbs work best. I’m sure whatever you attach to it is going to get fried, toasted or blown up smile and don’t be stupid by attaching your power tools to it.
In the same manner you can build a pyramid in your back yard that will act as an energy collector/capacitor.

3. Pyramid:
a) usually a Pyramid is built out of 2 or more different kinds of stone [stone being a semi conductor] ... same as a capacitor is built out of layers of metal and semi insulator. Now you have a Giant Capacitor
- main inner limestone stone of Great Pyramid is higher in manganese than outside casing stone = instant giant capacitor. Not casing or walkway stones, these are semi insulators.
- continuous energy from Earth, sun, moon, wind/friction, storms and ether charge pyramid to surprising levels. This requires a regulator or continuous discharge [or it would blow up like a nuclear bomb], the earth provides this by default.

b) Pyramid Wiring: in the same manner as above capacitor, higher conductive earth/stone encased with insulator stone can be used as wiring. Using water inside aqueduct or water pipe is perfect natural material wiring to whole Giza Plateau. Size, distance, different materials, chambers acting as capacitors/regulators and to run Natural Law based machines. Many such devices were used to keep population from getting toasted and give them power for devices.

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By BrunoDiderot1, July 17, 2011 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

The paranoia exhibited by “Christians” re: “persecution” is entirely gratuitous.  ALSO:  histrionic and laughable.

Relax:  Looks like your side IS going to win ... and we’ll be back to the religious wars of the 16th and 17th centuries.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 17, 2011 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

Actually, Gabriel,

I went back and looked at some of your “evidence” and the videos.  They are exactly what I expected them to be: Pure, unadulterated CRAP!

Where’s your proof of airplanes and spaceships? One TOTALLY mis-interpreted inscription.  No remnants of planes or rockets.  Just some nit-wit seeing shapes in clouds and thinking it actually means something.

It’s about as scientific as the nit-wits who saw the “face on Mars” and were utterly convinced it meant a civilization had visited that planet before us. Merely a trick of light revealed by later photos from other angles.

I won’t believe a pyramid generates power until I see a voltmeter register it.  Power=Watts and there is no power without wattage. You can obfuscate and bloviate and sneer and insult, BUT YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THE ONLY SOLID EVIDENCE THAT DEMONSTRATES YOUR HYPOTHESIS—A MEASURABLE VOLTAGE AND GENERATION OF WATTAGE!

Any other claim of “pyramid power” no matter how many videos by fellow fools you cite, is meaningless. Everybody knows anybody can post ANYTHING on YouTube, whether fact or fantasy.  A YouTube video doesn’t constitute “proof” of anything other than someone can make a video.

Science is utterly ruthless and merciless. If it isn’t, it’s worthless. You don’t understand this. Hence the citations to crappy videos, made by other non-scientists.  There’s even a museum in TeaBagger land that “proves” humans and dinosaurs co-existed, even though there’s a gap of 60 million years between the disappearance of dinos and the appearance of the first hominids.

You’ve been called.  Time to show your hand or fold.

Show me a video of a pyramid registering a voltage on a voltmeter.

Until, then I consider all your “evidence” less than shit.

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By elisalouisa, July 17, 2011 at 4:42 am Link to this comment

The connection between Mike Farrell’s “Catholic” upbringing and “religious extremists” is vague to say the least. Mr. Farrell’s statement A mandate from God that the adherents of this particular One True Faith should take over our nation’s institutions? is particularly mystifying.  Since when are Christian faiths united in any endeavor? Unless things have changed very drastically in recent years, the Catholic Church is not part of Fundamentalist Dominionist Christianity. What One True Faith is he talking about?

Also, one would assume that if Mr. Farrell did not understand the Mass he did not attend Catholic schools. He is making assumptions that are not true. I was taught that those who were never exposed to Christianity could not be judged in the same manner as those who were thus people in Africa or wherever who practiced their native religion or no religion at all were not “damned to hell.”  Carrying it further there was also the teaching that more was expected of those who were given certain advantages.

Evidence backing Mr. Farrell’s statements would have made his column more convincing.

As to Modern Fascism, that is in the making without religion.

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By DBM, July 17, 2011 at 12:48 am Link to this comment

Methinks there is too much in this thread which does not pertain to the point of the article.  The ongoing human discussion of “religion”, its existence, validity, interpretation and universality has been going on probably since language was invented and is very unlikely to be sorted out in this forum!

However, the point of the article is very well summed up (I thought) in Night-Gaunt’s comments starting with ‘Night-Gaunt, July 15 at 3:05 pm’ ... Farrell’s point can be extended to Modern Fascism.

That is a thought worth discussion.

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By Gabriel, July 16, 2011 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

@ITW

LMAO ... I’ve done way better than that. I showed links to videos showing proof @ http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/extremely_unctuous_20110711/#414553 ... and others too.
Yet you didn’t check them and at same time you dismissed them. So don’t be lazy and go look and learn ... like I told you originally.

As for Pyramids creating power see also http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/extremely_unctuous_20110711/#414316
... under answer to Lafayette, just under “LMAO Think you and everyone here better watch 2 part presentation that kids are learning:”
Again, video proof and scientific proof. I even left a link to create and test your own in this thread. smile
If you still don’t get it then go back to school ... now they teach it in grade 4 or 5 ... unless you’re in USA, then they teach it in university or non at all.

I even challenged you to get off your lazy ass and come over to show proof so you can see with your own 2 eyes. If your eyes ever become un-fogged. LMAO

As for my friend Carl ... go read my comment again till you get it though your stick skull what I actually said ... and not the manipulative bull you say. LOL

In retrospect, your foolishness [and couple of other’s] has sent this thread through hell and back and clearly shows you may have a cork stuck up your ...

Let’s just say you are never going to do this with me again. You try and I’ll ignore you.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 16, 2011 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

OK:

I can find you a working ancient Egyptian chariot…in a recognized museum.  Try the Met.

Now you find a working ancient Egyptian airplane…in a recognized museum.

I can produce a working solar cell. A voltmeter will show a voltage.

Now YOU produce an ancient pyramid and show WITH A VOLTAGE METER that it’s producing current from sunlight and NOT from modern wiring to a generator.

Go ahead and do this and you’ll have my attention.

Until then, you show yourself to be full of it.

I also now take it as axiomatic that you have NOT read “your friend Carl” Sagan’s “Demon-Haunted World”.  You’ve dodged this one as many ways as possible.

I’d even let you off the hook on this—not everyone has read everything—but you made two bold assertions:
1) You were friends with Carl Sagan
2) His later books are not really reflective of his brilliance..something disparaging about “Carl” like that.

Maybe Sagan was a nicer man than me and tolerated fools better than I do.  Probably. He would have had to have been. He was certainly more brilliant than I am.

Yet you cannot even admit you haven’t read one of those later books. I can’t know for sure, but I’d bet if he could tell you, “Demon-Haunted World” would be one of his proudest achievements…and well it should be!

(What you are feeling in your armpits is what a “dying” comedian calls “flop sweat”.)

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By Gabriel, July 16, 2011 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment

@ITW: “1) You haven’t read your “friend Carl’s” book Demon-Haunted World ... ect.”

1. Hmm, isn’t that the exact same thing you did to me in the first place?
How does it feel to get some of your own medicine?

Told you, you better be much smarter than that. When you go back and start being respectful, show valid counter proof on each and every point you dislike and I and PPL here feel that point is done, and each group of points are fully done, we move to next until we reach yours. Then we might get to point to answer yours. It’s only fair, moral and ethical. smile
Otherwise you’re SOL.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 16, 2011 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

OK,
This is now at least your fourth post avoiding a very simple question:
All that blather means one of two things:

1) You haven’t read your “friend Carl’s” book Demon-Haunted World
2) You HAVE read it and realize you can’t reconcile its clear-cut logic and rationality with the trash you buy into.

The continued efforts to side-step, avoid, propagandize, demonize me, belittle me can’t get you out of the quick-sand of claiming friendship with Carl Sagan but being totally unwilling to discuss his most philosophical work.

And I’m the failure?  I don’t THINK so!

As for whether or not I get laid sometime in the near future, well, you’ll never know, will you?

BTW, I’m sure you HATE my nick-name, named for the play and movie dramatizing the failure of religion and crap to suppress science, logic and reason.

“Does a sponge think????”  Clearly not…it just tries to.

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By Gabriel, July 16, 2011 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

Re: Inherit The Wind, July 15 at 9:20 pm

Your words in this thread are the kind of Sh*t tricks that fundamentalist Military Generals and their cronies pull on soldiers. They blah blah blah and eventually brainwash unsuspecting highly hormonal active kids, that’s your kids everyone, until they are brainwashed to do their bidding.

YOU are not going to tell me or anyone I know whom to listen to, what to do or how to think ... if you haven’t figured this out already.

You want to start another thread about tech that I presented then I’ll be glad to discuss it respectfully. Otherwise you FAIL. End of story. ^_^

As far as I can see the only thing you’re going to “Inherit” is frustration, anger, and from knowledgeable and wise individuals only laughter. We know PPL in the military and other places that have up-to-date tech that make most of my references old news. Much of it is already being passed around. They are the ones whom told the public what the military and powers-that-be have and where it came from.

What wikileaks released is peanuts in comparison. It’s a tiny fraction of tip of the iceberg. I’d say this is going to be fun watching you and other [so called] establishment schooled geniuses squirm. ROFL

We wish you a nice day, go get a hug from someone, and if you’re nice enough you might even get laid.

Sincerely,
OldSchoolBiker, 46Knkl, FTW, 1%er, TarAnt, Fr33d0m, V0Rt3X ...

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By culheath, July 16, 2011 at 1:17 am Link to this comment

It’s interesting how religions claiming to have exclusive truth generate adherents with such elaborate paranoid fantasies.

This whole thread has me wanting to get a shave from Occam.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2011 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment

Very simple: Since you won’t take up the challenge it’s full proof you don’t know what you’re talking about, you have nothing to backup your point and or you’re here to scream bloody murder each time someone releases new info.

Belief is not proof. In an online exchange one must provide some sort of valid argument with known point of reference pertaining to subject/s. You totally failed. Regrettably you just made yourself look like a fool.

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Thanks for the phony crocodile tears. I notice that you never actually said you READ your “good friend Carl’s” book “Demon-Haunted World”. Because if you had I’d like to see you reconcile your nonsense with Sagan’s wisdom.  THAT would be a post worth reading!

Here’s a word of advice: Don’t take advice from Lew.

I’ve been called stubborn many times in my life.  When people are irrational and full of shit I’m so stubborn I make a donkey look as compliant as a lamb.  Even more.  My Mother-In-Law used to complain that I was stubborn as a mule.  But then, again, she would issue an order (a “suggestion”)  that would have no rational basis. Naturally, I wasn’t inclined to accommodate her.  My wife’s response was to was that she didn’t find me stubborn at all.  All I needed was a good reason.

But when someone presents ascertainable facts (no, you haven’t) and sound logic, even when it goes against my own assertions and analysis, I have, many times, easily acquiesced.  The posts are scattered all over TD.  All you need is sound evidence, not “crazy” shit, and good logic.  You, sadly, are incapable of that.

But one thing about my stubbornness: I’ve outlasted posters like you and Lew many, many times over the years here at TD.  I’m stubborn that way, and I’m still here.

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By Gabriel, July 15, 2011 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment

@radson: Thanx. smile I’ll certainly consider this carefully and intuitively going one step further into ethically. Previously, about a yr ago, leaving 1 comment here initiated full attack on my server and some of our users, don’t know how though, but we tracked it to TX, CA, DC & IL. Let’s just say it won’t happen again as we’ve taken precautions to new levels, including US side, where with the help of anons fundamentalists are hard pressed. No, it wasn’t scientology who attacked.
It was a comment about further info on http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-341031042963487862 that initiated a torrent of probing, nuking and hardware failures. Luckily by time spooks showed up, literally, server was in some compacter well mixed in with scrap metal. Now it’s VPN’s, Tor, bounce servers, rotating WIFI, hardened Linux and few other toys that keep us safer. Mind you sharing over 100 TB of high end info is not what your average user would want to be doing, and keeping it way offsite is a diligent thing.
As you see evangelists are only recent infiltrators into military, what’s more concerning is other groups that are infecting military and rest of USA, if not world. We the People should be concerned, very concerned, about those groups. Good idea is to help your soldiers when they get home and listen to them no matter how far fetched they sound.
Public would really be interested where over 9 Trillion has disappeared to, another 3.7 in gold bullion, similar in diamonds and other resources. Also since 1950’s over half of USA has been pilfered or sold off to outside interests. Where did it all go and who’s behind it? ... while soldiers are coming back messed up and receiving little to no help.
Certainly Citizens need to do some digging and connecting the dots.

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@ Inherent the Wind

You owe me an apology. Next time make sure you know what you’re talking about before you start labeling people.

And take off that Che Guevara beret before you apologize to me.
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OK. I’m sorry you’re such an ignorant, angry old racist, who persistently and with Rush Limbaugh meanness sneeringly calls the President the “mocha savior”, a racist epithet if there ever was one.

I’m sorry you haven’t figured out that avatar with Che Guevara isn’t mine.

I’m sorry you haven’t figured out I’m not a Communist or a Socialist, nor am I an advocate of violent revolution, and that I’ve never posted such shit that you imply I have.

I apologize for ever CONSIDERING giving you credit for being rational.

There. I’ve apologized. My “debt” to you is discharged.

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By radson, July 15, 2011 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

Ardee:I appreciate your feed back ,although breathing fumes from your bike is not recommended and when in doubt you could always change gears . Your donkey is not mine .
cheers

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Lew : Are you Mike Farrell ,because you sure sound like him if not then you are part and parcel to this ‘piece’. Gabriel there is no use in arguing with Inherit ,for he is as stubborn as the Donkey that he supports.

You are either demonstrating a rather obscure sense of humor or you are another alter ego of the blathering, blithering multiple personality haunting this forum.

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Ardee….actually, it was a very unsophisticated bit of bait, the madrassas.  HAd I got a bite, I was going to try and be clever and turn the table, comparing radical Islam to radical christianity and the plethora of bombings and violence that’s been here in the US over some decades…..

Whew, I consider you one of the few, the intelligent, the sane. For a moment there I was despairing for your apparently lost path…;-)

But , considering the type of so-called religious rightists we have within this forum, do you really believe subtlety would not be a waste of time. Or even necessary as they condemn themselves with every Tom Wolf-like betrayal of their inner demons.

My own thought on this influx of imbeciles is that they are really only one or two at most, here to create barriers to debate and discussion. Despite the pseudonyms I think avoiding their efforts , turbo-scrolling around their obstacles to discussion, would be best, Mr. Best.

Ever read “Confederacy of Dunces” by John Kennedy Toole? Remember the citation it refers to?

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By radson, July 15, 2011 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel : I read your post and the bottom line that I ascertain amounts to Morality ;now whether ‘whoever ’ reads the posts for his/hers interest is questionable.Over here on TD the probability of what you claim -especially the Admiralty- part is perhaps far fetched ,although there is no doubt that the words are monitored in some form or fashion .That is why there
exists ‘manufactured consent’ to maintain a certain conformity -if you wish- .I could understand your concerns ;if per chance that someone ‘somehow’ was to penetrate the MSM and
spread an unofficial line (of lies) to them of course .Yet when you consider the ‘bigger picture’ then the Human Rights argument makes more sense .If per se that Freedom of Speech
was to be curtailed in the Western World ,then the International Humans Right argument would become ‘irrelevant’ and this is a global tactic against all competitors to abide to the Global Ideology of the west -and that includes the Human Rights rhetoric along with a warped version of Evangelical nonsense.Therefore being overly concerned on a Blog site is perhaps unnecessary ,yet the tools for intelligence gathering remain and in that regard I fully agree with you.

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By Gabriel, July 15, 2011 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

@radson

“... there is no use in arguing with
Inherit ,for he is as stubborn as the Donkey that he supports.”

As you see I don’t mind. It gives me a chance to release more than I expected, at the same time see who’s who on TD, get a good laugh out of the anal retentive and possibly provide some humor for those who know and or are willing to learn. wink

In every forum there is a small group of shills that just won’t quit. Eventually they run out of steam or are banned due to attacks ... even the sneaky smarter ones.

You see there’s this thing called Law. What most don’t realize is there are different kinds of Law.
In order: Universal, Natural, Common, Sovereign, Admiralty. Admiralty has imposed itself on Our Internet due to fact that “packets” are sent from place to place. They claim that it’s part of shipping and therefore they have control. It also extends to Birth Certificates since it’s a Bond in your name and has it’s own account / account attached to you, the man [or woman].

By signing up to anything you are giving them permission to have control over you by way of your account, including them visiting your home and extracting you from it ... unless [of coarse] you take out protection against them and or know your Rights.

There’s an added trick they use that’s allowed under their Law and it’s called lying. So Police and rest of Admiralty can lie all they want to get you but you can’t lie to ‘em. Game of cat and mouse. Truth wins out every time though.

Admiralty also despises to be exposed, as I exposed their info on TD. Now you see what other part is involved here?

As long as you ask questions they can’t get ya. If you know the right questions to ask you will stop ‘em dead in their tracks, as I did in this thread. If you know how to answer they can’t get ya either.

If that’s not enough they will change Jurisdictions, usually 3 or 4 times. What they are doing is switching between 3 or 4 or their usury based systems: Admiralty, Roman, Canon and Babylonian.
It’s only one of their fools that will persist. smile

ITW is a perfect example of how far they’ll go to trip you up and hopefully put one in jail. Watch him probably scream after this.

See better now?
One thing for sure, for my protection, I’m taking a very close look at his online profile.

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By radson, July 15, 2011 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

Lew its nice to know that you are what you claim and not what you could be ,but then again I could be who you think I am .Nevertheless the more that Religions evolve ,the result seems to be the opposite as the morass extents itself .Now I say this because more people (and rightfully so ) are questioning the validity of the entire enterprise and it has reached a
state where even the most fervent are questioning the Status Quo -to blindly follow- a philosophy that is two thousand years old ,yet paradoxically the East Indians and the Chinese have been around longer yet there is no mention of them in the Holy Book.


cheers

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By Night-Gaunt, July 15, 2011 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

Part II on modern fascism;

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

The FBI recently have been given the power to follow arrest and incarcerate without the need for warrants. Rendition and extraordinary rendition going on still. We incarcerate more people than any other country by numbers and by proportion, even an authoritarian state like China!

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

With bribery being legal, cronyism isn’t far behind.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Just look at the major ones in 2000 and 2004 to start.

Crypto means hidden Lew Ciefer. I didn’t go to college but my education continues none-the-less to this day 36 years later. And one doesn’t have to be a Nazi to be a fascist. See Mussolini and Spain’s Francisco Franco.

Sorry for my awkward sentence before. The Left had no problem with the report on extreme Leftists because it didn’t pertain to them unlike the Reich wing who was personally offended for the report on their extreme members. Is that better? Or do I need to re-translate it for you?

I hope this aids you. Also you can use what is called a “search engine” to find items you are interested in learning. You haven’t stopped learning have you?

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By Lew Ciefer, July 15, 2011 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

@ Radson

I’m Lew Ciefer Radson…....

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By Gabriel, July 15, 2011 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

@ITW

LMAO ... Wow, seems like I struck a nerve. All your manipulation and name calling is not enough to prove your point so you resort to ridicule too. Pretty soon you might declare a crusade against me. LOL

Very simple: Since you won’t take up the challenge it’s full proof you don’t know what you’re talking about, you have nothing to backup your point and or you’re here to scream bloody murder each time someone releases new info.

Belief is not proof. In an online exchange one must provide some sort of valid argument with known point of reference pertaining to subject/s. You totally failed.
Regrettably you just made yourself look like a fool.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 15, 2011 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

@ Inherent the Wind

You owe me an apology. Next time make sure you know what you’re talking about before you start labeling people.

And take off that Che Guevara beret before you apologize to me.

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By radson, July 15, 2011 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

Lew : Are you Mike Farrell ,because you sure sound like him if not then you are part and parcel to this ‘piece’. Gabriel there is no use in arguing with
Inherit ,for he is as stubborn as the Donkey that he supports.

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You understand, don’t you, that Marxism and Socialism are economic systems, not political ones. Socialism is a form of economic activity, just like capitalism. And we have (or had until 20 years ago) both a Communist Socialist system and a Communist Capitalist system. The Russian version (never even close to a Marxist type economic system by the way) failed in 1991 but the capitalist Chinese system is going strong and eating our lunch as I write this. We also have many democratic socialist economies (Sweden for one) and many capitalist societies with socialist tendencies (Germany and much of Europe). So cut the bullshit about the great Marxist/Socialist conspiracy. It doesn’t exist.

No economic system functions free of a dominating political system. The system might be based on some preferred theory but it is never theoretically pure. (see your cited lament above) The dominating political system manipulates the economic system and it’s through the political/economic system that the masses are controlled by those for whose main benefit the political-economic system is manipulated. The manipulation techniques differ but the end game is always the same; more for the Power Elite and less for the mass of citizenry. At some point in time the system collapses for any number of different reasons and, usually, a new political economy rises from the ashes. When the Roman Republic was flushed down the toilet, the Empire continued for centuries more. They—the Power Elite—even replaced their native population in hopes of revitalizing their society. 

The problem with any human designed system is: Mankind. 

The Red Chinese economy appears to be doing well for now for a number of different and complicated reasons. When you’re on the floor there’s really only one way to go ... up. If you go to Amazon you can still purchase, some copies as low as one cent, the book: “The Coming War With Japan” by George Friedman and Meredith Lebard, published in 1992, when Japan was supposedly—according to economists, politicos, journalists and the entire propaganda apparatus—the new world economic power that was going to defeat U.S. hegemony, both economically and militarily. OPPS!

I could go on about Red China but it’s not the topic of this thread. The topic is the supposed stealth (albeit we all know about it) takeover of the U.S. military by a crazed fundamentalist Christian cult called Dominionists. If you’re interested I can provide links and sources to how the U.S. military has been taken over and is being dismantled by Marxists/Socialists. If I look hard enough I can probably find info on crazed Nazis from the planet Krypton having taking over the U.S. military too.

I used to know a Russian married to a Ukrainian who every time his woman would express her longing for a return of the U.S.S.R. would look at me and roll his eyes. About two days into the Beslan school hostage crisis he looked at me and said: “In times like these I wish we could bring back Stalin for a short while. He knew how to handle this type of situation.”

Neither one of them ever went to any church ... thank god.

Have you got any info on evil Jewish cults stealthily taking over banking?

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By Night-Gaunt, July 15, 2011 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

How often do you hear “God Bless American” spoken of?

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Every heard of Bradley Manning? Black prisons off shore in ships and at far flung military bases?

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

The ongoing GWOT that is only spreading? Not just Muslims but Liberals and Progressives targeted.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

The USA spends more than all the other nations combined!

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

Seen the Republican run states lately?

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Why our illegal wars are treated so benignly.

7. Obsession with National Security<b> - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

See our Offense budget and Homeland Security.

8. <b>Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.

More intertwined than ever. See religious infiltration of our military.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

When was the last time a criminal corporation dissolved and its leading members put on trial?</i.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

<i>See the Supreme Court rulings recently.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

See Norman Finkelstein, attacks to defund the Arts.

Part I

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By Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2011 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

BTW, you are EXACTLY whom Mike Farrell is warning us about.  You, Gabriel, you.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2011 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel:
Oh, PLEASE, you’ve stretched credibility far beyond the breaking point already.
If you were “good friends” with “Carl” then he was far MORE understanding of your nonsense than I am capable of being.  Because he was ruthlessly rational and you fall into the same group as the cabbie interested in “science” and magic crystals and pyramids.  Your “good friend Carl” used magical pyramids (which you have cited) as clear evidence of a NON-scientific mind.  In, Sagan could be describing YOU.

Disparaging his later works is not only mean, it’s just flat-out ignorant.  His later work is his best work and clearly you either haven’t read it, or deliberately and willfully misunderstood “Demon-Haunted World”.  I’ve read it several times and it’s still one of my favorite books of all time.

No, I’m not going to waste my time reading up on charlatan’s phony writings and forgeries on crap about ancient Egyptians and Indians having planes and cars and phones anymore than I’m going to write a book about why the Earth is really flat and not round.  Went down that road about 30 years with Erika Hawkins’ nonsense about Nostradamus.  Took only a few pages of translation from the original French to realize she was a phony, faking and pushing the translations far from their actually meaning.  That was my last “adventure” with such nonsense.  I’d sooner believe in Harry Potter’s magic…at least THAT is fun!

What is it about TD that attracts such bat-shit crazy lunatics?????

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By Gabriel, July 15, 2011 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

@ITW

Oh PLEASE don’t smear my friend’s good name by presenting one his later works and trying to use it to discredit newer found evidence. Carl himself would have ripped you a new one for not using critical thinking and proof in an argument.

With all due respect, all you have done here is dismiss, squabble, attack, try to manipulate and just being a pain-in-the-arse. You don’t have the balls to take up a Challenge nor show any valid evidence to make your point. With that kind of argument you’d be laughed out of any university and or public discussion.

This is about putting the pieces together from ALL sources, seeing if they work together and seeing if rest of sciences support such. In what I say they definitely do.

Wake up: Those who run the Industrial Military Complex are always looking for new and advanced tech, and have been since day one in all areas. They don’t care whether they get it from some backwoods hick, independent scientist, ancient records, Nazis or your kid. They will do anything to get it, including murder.
Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ3juM6vHwg
You might want to find put what happened to him and others like him.

That’s your fundamentalist false Christian power structure of your military at it’s best.

Starting to get the point yet?

Basically, if you haven’t realized, What I’ve presented here is evidence for We The People to smarten up and start learning what you’re not supposed to know to protect yourselves against such a deceptive, secretive and nefarious organization ... BEFORE you end up in one big prison similar to Gaza. It’s called North American Union. I’m sure you’ve heard of it as it’s all over Truthdig.

Again, “with all due respect”, be a good man/boy and go learn from Nassim’s links I provided. And that goes for rest of you dismissive people. It might just get you out of that compartmentalized thinking.

All the smart people here have already taken what I said and ran with it, put the pieces together and Are now adding it to their collections, experimenting and or building it. raspberry
You’re welcome

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, July 15, 2011 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

I’ve been sitting here reading this stream for the last few hours and, between trips to the john to hurl, I’ve been trying to get my head around the ranting of Lew.  Jesus Lew, get a grip. You’re off base on so many points I can’t begin to address all of them. But there’s one I can’t let slide: Marxist/Socialist Totalitarianism. You understand, don’t you, that Marxism and Socialism are economic systems, not political ones. Socialism is a form of economic activity, just like capitalism. And we have (or had until 20 years ago) both a Communist Socialist system and a Communist Capitalist system. The Russian version (never even close to a Marxist type economic system by the way) failed in 1991 but the capitalist Chinese system is going strong and eating our lunch as I write this. We also have many democratic socialist economies (Sweden for one) and many capitalist societies with socialist tendencies (Germany and much of Europe). So cut the bullshit about the great Marxist/Socialist conspiracy. It doesn’t exist.

I was married to a Catholic woman for 28 years and attended mass “religiously” for all those years despite never swallowing all the shit they shoveled. My wife would get all twisted up every time we couldn’t attend mass on Sunday (snow storms or being on the road and unable to find a church for example) because she was sure God would send her to hell for missing one fucking mass. By the time we divorced, despite my years of trying to make her see just how controlling that religion really was, she was so screwed up I couldn’t talk to her any more. Only when the church basically shrugged and told her they couldn’t help her repair her marriage did she finally see the light. Despite being told she would be tossed out of the church and would go to hell, she remarried and is very happy.

In all those 28 years, not once did I see any persecution against the church by anyone but I saw a lot of persecution by the church of many people. They, like the Muslims and a whole lot of other religions, deemed themselves the “one true religion”. I was told on many occasions that I couldn’t be buried with my wife because I wasn’t a Catholic and therefore wasn’t eligible for the sacred ground in their cemeteries. I basically told our last priest to shove his religion where the sun don’t shine before I walked out.

America is not now nor has it ever been a “Christian” nation. The founding fathers acknowledged a divine source as “God” but they never appointed any particular church as the “official” religion. They understood all too well the pernicious nature of religion and what it would do to our country. So they intentionally created a wall between the two.

Every major religion has gone through a phase where it decided that it was the one true religion and tried to jam their beliefs down everyone’s throats. Remember the crusades by any chance? That was our attempt to destroy Islam and we got handed our proverbial butts for that folly. Now it’s Islam’s turn and they’ll soon learn the stupidity of their attempt too. Religion is too precious to be forced on anyone.

I’ve said enough I think. I know I won’t change any minds here and won’t even try. But I do want to say one more thing: Religion isn’t God. Religion is man’s attempt to insert itself between God and the people. It is an attempt to dictate the terms of the relationship between a person and his God. If you believe in God, do so personally and directly. You don’t need a translator.

Second, some of you don’t know who I am. I know a bit about the whole Evil Empire and Marxism because I’ve been married to it for the last 11 years. My wife grew up in the Evil Empire and, for the last 6 years, I’ve live in the belly of the beast (Ukraine). I’ve had spirited discussions with friends about Communism and the economic system they had (I’ll give you a hint ... it wasn’t Socialist or Capitalist).

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By Lew Ciefer, July 15, 2011 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

@ Gerard

I apologize Gerard, I’m sure that in your mind your comment has profound meaning but it has gone completely over my head. If it was meant as a snarky insult I’m afraid you’ve wasted a couple minutes of your life.

It is encouraging that after all my comments all you were able to do was make a mostly incoherent remark about my comment on regret of a past decision ... personal hindsight.

I’m not your enemy Gerard. I’m here for you. I know it hurts. I know there’s much shame and humiliation. But you’re not the only one. Many millions are equally ashamed, humiliated, and hurting too. Take solace in that. And the next time someone tells you that they’ve found the Prophet and he’s in that shining city on the hill over yonder; just tell them: Bite me!

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By Lew Ciefer, July 15, 2011 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

@ Night-Gaunt, July 14 at 1:36 pm
the Republicans (really crypto-fascists these days) shut it down. Got the State Department to withdraw it. Now that’s power. Nothing happened for the Left because it was mostly correct. And since the danger is from Reich wingers not Left, we see an important aspect of the times.

Interesting.

I’m a high school dropout, old and not in good health, so I tend to be a bit slow on the uptake at times and was wondering if you could make clear your use of the term ‘fascist.’ Exactly what do you mean by fascist? Personally I think the word has little meaning anymore. It’s like two ten year olds fighting and one calls her opponent ‘four-eyes’ because she has glasses, and the kid with glasses responds ‘tubby’ because the other girl is fat. They’re just words to make the other person feel as bad as you because you were duped and voted for an even bigger bunch of losers than the other person.

I’ve never heard of Crypto-Nazis before. I don’t understand what Nazis and Superman’s planet of origin have to do with Republicans although I have always thought of Superman as a conservative type, especially in his disguise as Clark Kent—albeit he was a mild-mannered reporter.

While you’re at it, would you be so kind as to explain what you mean by: ”Nothing happened for the Left because it was mostly correct.”

Is English your first language/native tongue?

Please elucidate: ”The Dominionists and their ilk are antipodal to any “Marxist/Socialists” out there. A total misnomer here.”

That’s for taking the time.

Sincerely,

Lew Ciefer

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, July 15, 2011 at 5:25 am Link to this comment

Ardee….actually, it was a very unsophisticated bit of bait, the madrassas.  HAd I got a bite, I was going to try and be clever and turn the table, comparing radical Islam to radical christianity and the plethora of bombings and violence that’s been here in the US over some decades…..in spite of economic prosperity! 

Those who say radical christians are a small group are poo-poo ing the problem.  There are huge numbers of ‘christian warriors’ cultivated and ready to go, and as the economy deteriorates (because these same morons won’t address the real underlying issue of an economy built on massive indebtured servitude), there will be huge increases in domestic terrorism from these so-called Christian Warriors. 

Indeed, I am not so clever, and the ‘Madrassah ploy’ failed.  The ‘pro radical Christian’ forces are too smart.  We’ll see how smart they are if we continue down this path.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2011 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

Gabriel:
I will attempt to reach what I hope is a remaining remnant of a rational mind.

Read Carl Sagan’s “The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark”.  It’s not his best-known book, but it’s clearly his best.  A famous and beloved scientist spells out exactly what IS Science, and what clearly is NOT, and why they are so wildly different. It’s also an excellent “read”.

I’m sure you won’t, but here’s hoping…

And that’s the last I have to say about your thread-clogging bat-shit crazy nonsense.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, July 15, 2011 at 5:13 am Link to this comment

Oh, the attack on the word ‘progressive’ is fully underway.  And the word ‘conservative’?  Most policies of ‘conservatives’ are radical as hell. 

‘Run away’?  It’s a loaded term implying cowardice.  Stand and fight for a word, or the principles?  The two are not the same.  If you bravely stand and fight for the word, you give tactical advantage to those who continue to destroy the principle for which the word once stood.

Standing to fight for the word is like taking some arbitrary and tactically useless hill in a war.  They continue to sell ammunition, As long as you chase false flags, you lose.

No, they already won on this one.  ‘Liberal’ is dead, ‘progressive’ is under attack.  We have to get out in front in the war on words or we’ll lose.

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Please don’t forget the teachers at the Madrasahs, and those who fund them, because they perfectly understand fanaticism, cultivate it, and direct it as a diversion and means to stuff their pockets.

Surely,John, you did not mean to condemn all Madrassa’s everywhere? Say it ain’t so…..

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By Gabriel, July 14, 2011 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

@THX: “you see, my background in science and comparative religions just won’t allow it”

I “see” very clearly that your rejection “just won’t allow it”. I suggest you don’t dismiss those whom have actually accomplished it. Maybe you missed the challenge of proof part as well. Maybe go read it again and think it through before you answer? .. if you are actually experienced in such matters.

BTW: you are not your grandfather ... are you?

Come on PPL .. you need to be much smarter than that if you’re going to disprove anything.

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By Gabriel, July 14 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment
@THX
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s
ignorance ~ Confucius

Condemnation without investigation is the height of
ignorance. ~ Albert Einstein
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Ah, young bison; my grandfather worked with Nikola
Tesla; so please don’t presume you know to whom your
speaking; you don’t.
Your homilies/cliches’ aside; only you are
responsible for your belief systems, which may indeed
be the problem.
Just don’t expect to carry on with fantasies
masquerading as facts and go unchallenged.
You are spouting unsupportable untruths (to be kind)
and I’m not buying any of it; you see, my background
in science and comparative religions just won’t allow
it; carry on…

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By gerard, July 14, 2011 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

Lew Ceifer:  Let me take a crack at your question, “Why no comparable consideration of Christian sensitivities (regarding the Jesus cartoon)?”  It’s an interesting (possibly revealing) question. 

Possibilities:  People who hold “fundamentalist” beliefs in religions doctrine tend to lack a sense of irony—a difficult concept to “understand” but a feeling that comes more easily into the consciousness of people who have had enough braod education about different cultures to realize that rigid opinions are parodies of real learning, true understanidng, acceptance, etc.  Fundamentalists tend to take irony as insult rather than sardonic comment of comparison and contrast.

At the same time, fundamentalists feel threatened by “relativistic” thinking because they tend to want to depend exclusively on simple faith uncomplicated by nuances, yet at the same time fundamentalist belief is fragile—relatively easy to destroy by using facts.  Thus fundamentalists tend to be “on the defensive” all the time, motivated by fear that the ground of their faith will be swept away by knowleldge. (As has happened many times in history.)

It is my contention that it is fundamentally necessary to understand fundamentalism, what it means to believers, how dangerous it is to scorn it or try to remove it by force, and how much patience is required to help “true believers” expand their knowledge without destroying the security they find in believing. 

PS—almost nobody talks about this, but it is—(to coin a phrase) “fundamental” to getting beyond the present viscious misunderstandings evidenc in strings like this.

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@THX
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance ~ Confucius

Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. ~ Albert Einstein

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By Gabriel, July 14 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment
@PatrickHenry

... and there are 3+ universities that are presently
laughing at you and rest of detectors in this thread.
... especially when many of them worked on projects
that replicated such evidence.
If you are an anon then you know what EPIC FAIL on
your part means

One of their pet demos for detractors is a scale
model of great pyramid that produces free power,
sends power via air, levitates almost any material,
extends WIFI to 300+ km, charges up any battery
within 1km, has many other uses AND replica of
Tesla’s tower.
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OMFG! You can’t be serious; never mind.

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By Gabriel, July 14, 2011 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

@PatrickHenry

... and there are 3+ universities that are presently laughing at you and rest of detectors in this thread. wink
... especially when many of them worked on projects that replicated such evidence.
If you are an anon then you know what EPIC FAIL on your part means

One of their pet demos for detractors is a scale model of great pyramid that produces free power, sends power via air, levitates almost any material, extends WIFI to 300+ km, charges up any battery within 1km, has many other uses AND replica of Tesla’s tower.

But the very interesting part is what happens when you sit inside pyramid, depending on person, for more than 10 min. up to 1 hr. Let’s just say it opens up all kinds of bells & whistles. One try guarantees you will never doubt again.

Due to corporate pressure it had to be dismantled, even though copr’s tried to steal it. Instead students picked it out of dumpsters and moved it to a private Sovereign Homestead. Now it powers whole farm and still includes all previous bells and whistles. Local farms also benefit in many ways as change in molecular structure of water helps crops, with the extra benefit of killing GMO’s.

As this Ancient tech. spreads it puts a dent in NWO, Ind. Mil. Comp., IMF and others. Basic plans can be found at http://www.keelynet.com under “Physics of Crystals, Pyramids and Tetrahedrons” and Millions of similar sites.

Technology is being exposed at an exponential rate. If you can’t keep up you will be left behind. That simple.

Go ahead and laugh all you want, your detractor friends as well, but evidence is stacking up and the world is not going to wait for anyone that’s thickheaded. Millions of kids these days are learning things on their own which BTW general school systems refuse to and actually subjugate, especially in America [USA]. Thanks to Internet, home schooling, private schools, their friends, experimenting, adapting, working in groups and other innovative ways they are leaps and bounds ahead of what we learned, in speed, scale and quality.

At present India has the highest number of Phd’s, with China not too far behind, and they are in the process of taking over. No matter how big American & Israeli military is both will fall shortly if they don’t smarten up, literally.

Maybe now you can realize why Military is making idiots out of soldiers for when they will be turned against the general public. Knowledge is power and powers-that-be don’t want to be deposed. I’m sure you’ve head of the concept.

If you haven’t noticed these concepts are already all over Truthdig. So I don’t know why you’re bithin’ at me. In any case, you and your detractor buddies need to figure it out for yourselves or be [literally] left behind.

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By gerard, July 14, 2011 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment

Lew Ciefer:  “One of my biggest regrets is mustering out. I wish I’d made a career of it.”
  Saved in spite of yourself?  Some people have all the luck!

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By PatrickHenry, July 14, 2011 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel,

I see many millennia from now, your kin digging up some old star trek replica space ships, posters and media and making them the center of worship and all knowledge.

My kin will be laughing at them then as well.

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By Night-Gaunt, July 14, 2011 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

It is rare indeed to even hear the words “Christian” and “extremism” in the same sentence. When the FBI had their assessment come out on Right wing extremists (the one on Left wing extremists came out next) the Republicans (really crypto-fascists these days) shut it down. Got the State Department to withdraw it. Now that’s power. Nothing happened for the Left because it was mostly correct. And since the danger is from Reich wingers not Left, we see an important aspect of the times.

The Dominionists and their ilk are antipodal to any “Marxist/Socialists” out there. A total misnomer here.

It must be remembered that the Roman Republic fell first before the Empire. In fact they were a democracy even as they had an external empire. Once it became a dictatorship it was an empire through and through. I see the USA closing to do much the same thing. Buot they have read Machiavelli and had plenty of experience over 60 years in overthrowing and installing other gov’t's. So they have plenty to work with to do so right here. We came close in 1934 and just missed it. However since those involved including certain executives at Ford, Chase bank, Standard Oil of New Jersey, Texas company, ITT, and Sterling Products who had close dealing with the Third Reich (even after 1941) wanted their own American Reich here and almost had it. Many of them still wanted one but knew it would take much longer than their life times to get it. We see the poison fruits of they labor today. They are just one economic collapse away from it. What puzzles me is how they are going to do it with such a collapse?

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By Gabriel, July 14, 2011 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

@ITW
LMAO ... we’re back to = just goes to show how much you know.

At the risk of repeating myself I will give you the basics of science. Things you [and everyone else] should have learned in grade school but in most cases western schools kind of skip over it, as not important.

Meanwhile rest of Earth knows this before they reach high school. So let’s begin.
Nassim Haramein [short more recent version]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y5bXdx5UrE
Full internet version of 8 hrs [part1]: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335
[part2]: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1895475242307393956
It’s explained so a 10 yr old can comprehend it.

Next on list is some of Egyptian tech. The Pyramid Code [5 episodes, just over 44 minutes each]: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&suggested_categories=27,25&uni=3&search_duration=long&search_query=pyramid+code

Next is http://www.sacred-texts.com which contains ALL ancient texts translated to English. This should take you a few yrs. to lifetime. If you’re not a shill that discards any info outside of western schooling you will see consistent similarities to exact copies in all of them. It’s a great reference for any ancient subject.

A small 74+ page site of some of anomalies that have been found world wide. This is only a small portion as it’s an older site: http://s8int.com

Ancient subs & planes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rgt-V7ZHL8
Ancient flight reproduced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HEo2E70kg
Ancient Aliens series [season 1 & 2 are listed here]: http://btjunkie.org/search?q=ancient+aliens+season
or you can watch it on u-tube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&suggested_categories=27,28,43&uni=3&search_duration=long&search_query=ancient+aliens
More Ancient Discoveries: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ancient+discoveries&aq=f
Ancient Discoveries {s01e01} - Ancient Computer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ET5q7Sma4

This is just a fraction of knowledge and overwhelming evidence that has been re-discovered. Before you jump up and down screaming you don’t see any actual computers and other tools you might want to think how long it takes for any of these devices to deteriorate under different environments and time. Now I can also go down the list of rest of what I mentioned and show full references but I think this is enough for now, as you have a brain and can do your own research.

Like I said before:
“Then you wouldn’t mind being part of a public discussion with Citizen Investigators, scholars, world’s top scientists, theorists, Egyptologists, archeologists, Historians, philosophers, and like ... let’s say @ the top think-tank in North America @ Perimeter Institute in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. I’m sure they would love to hear and see your proof, evidence and hear you present it. I’m sure it’d make great video for everyone.”

This offer goes to Any of you that thinks they have the balls to disprove what’s being presented here. LMAO

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By Lew Ciefer, July 14, 2011 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

@ BrunoDiderot1, July 13 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment
It’s funny to read comments from Christians that pretend that they are “persecuted”.
Uh . . . NO.
They expect to be worshiped and adored, because they are members of the “I’ve Been Saved, so KMA” Club.  When they don’t get the adulation their fragile little egos crave . . . they claim persecution. ... SORRY, that just won’t work.

Actually there is a systemic persecution and targeted discrimination against Christians, Christianity, and native majorities with respect to almost every aspect of Western culture throughout the Western world. This is part and parcel of the Marxist/Socialist dogma known as multiculturalism where the Marxist/Socialist God—the State—extends privileges called ‘rights’ to favored segments of society, for reasons of political expediency, that it does not extend too others.


The aforementioned is made possible due to the very subtle but significant difference between totalitarian theocracy—known as Marxism/Socialism—and representative republicanism. In representative republicanism all are equal under the law; in Marxist/Socialist totalitarian theocracy all are equal under the law but some are more equal than others.

How soon can we expect to see posted here at Truthdig a drawing of Mohammed with a suicide bomb strapped to his chest? If you don’t believe that has a snowball’s chance then ask yourself why we can see a drawing of Jesus with an M-16? Is it possible that some who understand Jesus as the Prince of Peace might find such a dipiction offensive? Why no comparable consideration of Christian sensitivites? smile

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By Lew Ciefer, July 14, 2011 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

4.

@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 13 at 3:44 pm
You claim that Christianity is under attack in the United States but you cite no example where its practice is prohibited.  The abundance and variety of Christian churches in my own neighborhood seems to make the contrary case.

The number of church buildings in your neighborhood doesn’t mean anything. There aren’t any in my neighborhood so using your methodology that means that there is extreme persecution of Christians. Persecution takes on many forms. No one claims that Christians are prohibited from practicing their faith. Marginalization…?

I have cited cases and explained how what is happening is not only the systematic persecution and targeted discrimination against Christians and Christianity but also the entire native majority. I also explained that the systematic persecution and targeted discrimination of Christians, Christianity, and native majorities is taking place throughout the West. Go back and reread it with your mind and not your emotions and you just might learn something. 

Why did he feel the need to stipulate that the weapons of which he spoke were used in two ‘primarily Muslim countries’? Muslim sensitivities! Which do you think is more offensive; a bullet to the head or the fact that unbeknownst to you the weapon used to blow your head apart has something inscribed on it in a language you don’t speak? According to Farrell’s numbers, odds are 96% that the weapon will be issued to a Christian. This is so puerile!

Farrell asks: “Hard to imagine, isn’t it, that a cult-like extremist group could quietly weave its way into control of the command structure of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines?”

No, not at all! If the only people joining the military are from an extremist cult, guess what?

He states that Weinstein and the MRFF ‘work to safeguard the right to religious freedom of thousands of Marines, sailors, soldiers and airmen and women of all faiths…’ Thousands? How many millions of servicemen are there? And he speaks of thousands? Would Farrell have me believe that the Dominionists—a small insignificant band of fundamentalist loons—are now so large in number that they can control millions of servicemen? Please… I like to be kissed before I’m…

As much as the Left tries, they are not going to be able to equate Christian fundamentalism in the U.S. with the truly horrific Islamist fundamentalist terror that the world has had to endure for about 40+ years. And that’s what this farrago of Multiculturalist sophism is attempting to do. He hasn’t provided any evidence at all to prove that there is any connection whatsoever between the Dominionists and any of the events cited. Almost all of it is pure conjecture. It’s going to take a hell of a lot more than this sophist tripe to free the Left from the guilt, shame and hypocrisy it has heaped upon itself in its complicity with extremist Islamic fundamentalism.


I’ve enjoyed it. The best to you… smile

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By Lew Ciefer, July 14, 2011 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

3.

@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 13 at 3:44 pm
Lastly, that in the United States – where freedom of individual conscience and freedom of religious belief – is celebrated, anti-Semitism in the military should be condemned.

It is.

When you don’t have a draft and you wage ten years of war with only a volunteer army you’re going to end up with an army of those who volunteer.

This ‘problem’ is easily resolved by getting all the pantywaist lefties to sign on the dotted line or institute the draft and broaden the selection field. I’d say vote Democrat and end senseless wars but hell ... Obuma and Hillary are about to embark on their third invasion which will make Dubya and Cheney look like doves.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 14, 2011 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

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@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 13 at 3:44 pm
that there is a movement in the United States that calls for taking control of government and running the country in manner consistent with a very conservative Christian view of reality and that somehow they are chosen by god to do so.  This assertion is not very radical at all.

There being a movement in the U.S. that calls for taking control of the government, has been a fact of life since the birth of the nation. Two that come readily to mind are the Republicans and Democrats. That’s nothing new.

The concern should be subversive movements that want to destroy the constitutional representative republic. Whether the group considers itself Christian, Islamic, Jew, Democrat or Republican, is not the most important factor. The common link is that they all want to replace the constitutional representative republic with a political system of their own, i.e. an Islamic or Marxist/Socialist totalitarian theocracy. Unfortunately, in a democracy there are innumerable ways of accomplishing that. C’est la vie!

@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 13 at 3:44 pm
The religious right has been hard at it for the past thirty years –Jerry Farwell and the Moral Majority to Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council are two examples.  Farrell cites a third, Dominionists.

It’s terrible that citizens who are Christians would form political action groups in a representative republic. I guess we could have all Christians banned from political participation. What do we do with those citizens that support political actions groups and lobbyists like AIPAC and CAIR?

The bait was set, now the switch…

“Because in some cases fanatical belief puts on a benevolent face and encroaches through stealth; rather than fly planes into buildings or massacre nonbelievers on a train or in gas chambers, these adherents ease into institutions and infiltrate systems with the aim of gaining legitimacy and, eventually, control.”

Oh sweet Jesus walking on water. He even got the Nazis in it.  This is actually the best and most significant part of this Leftist anti-Christian boilerplate; but not for his reasons.

Does Farrell know what stealth means?

@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 13 at 3:44 pm
Second, that this movement has elements that are anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim.  He cites specific examples.  Likewise, this is not a radical assertion.  It is not common for those holding extreme religious beliefs – extremist Muslims included – to say and to do terrible things to those hold divergent beliefs.

You just jumped the shark. How disappointing. :(

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By Lew Ciefer, July 14, 2011 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

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@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 13 at 3:44 pm
Funny.  I don’t feel inverted.  But I do feel stupefied by your reply and your intentional distortion of the Farrell piece.

Since I’ve seen nothing up to this point to indicate that you’re anything less than a very capable and astute individual I choose to believe that the above is simply persiflage.

Oh… almost forgot: Ha, ha.

@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 13 at 3:44 pm
So off the mark are your comments that it is no longer possible to give them serious consideration.

And yet here you are.

I’m wondering if you’re reading my comments or just skimming and reading into them. Okay, one last time…

I see Farrell’s article as a bait and switch and a Multiculturalist sophist apologia.

@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 13 at 3:44 pm
Farrell’s writing begins generally with a personal revelation about his religious life, specifically condemns radicalism in religion of all denominations

He gave the tear jerker then said:

“To listen to the bloviators, “religious extremist” means Muslim, and too many Americans buy in without understanding that this “God is (only) on our side” nonsense infects elements in pretty much every belief system.”

So Mr. Farrell believes that Americans listening to some undefined bloviators relate the two terms ‘Muslims’ and ‘religious extremist’  and they do that ‘without understanding’ that…

Where’s the evidence? Who are the bloviators? What number of Americans ‘buying in’ is too many? What authority makes that determination? How does he know that they don’t understand?

Let’s set that aside and play make believe. Presuming that many, even too many, Americans when they hear the term ‘religious extremist’ do think ‘Muslim.’ Who’s to blame for that? The undefined bloviators? Americans’ stupidity or ignorance or failure or inability to understand? Bush? Amurika? Beer? Bad weather? Perhaps it’s a combination many variables?

How about Islamic fundamentalists’ acts of terrorism against primarily defenseless civilian targets for about forty+ years? Do you think that might have something to do with it? If so then why is it wrong to think ‘Muslim’ when you first hear the term ‘religious extremist’ without any further explanation? It isn’t! That would be a natural response to current events.

The reader has been set up to understand that associating ‘Muslim’ with the term ‘religious extremist’ is anti-Muslim and/or racist. There is no consideration that there might be valid reasons to make that association.

Now comes the ‘fair and balanced’. What you understand as his condemnation of ‘radicalism in religion of all denominations.’

“But while violent fanatics are certainly dangerous and should be dealt with appropriately, it’s vital that we recognize extremism wherever it appears.

I guess it could be understood as condemnation. It sure is—IMO—weak. This is obligatory in order to avoid being seen as a proponent of Islamic fundamentalist extremism.

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@ RayLan, July 13 at 3:03 pm
The way self-appointed Christians reshape the Gospel to their self-centered purporse is a fascinating distortion, remaking Jesus in their own greedy, intolerant, violent image.
What is fascinating is that it works so well.

It’s estimated that there are some 25-37 thousand
different Christian sects in the world ... do you think different interpretations might have something to do with that?

You do understand that the Bible is made up, right?

What’s your image of Jesus? Do you think Jesus just walked around ‘feeling’ all day? It’s written that he went into a rage—in a temple of worship—overturning tables, scattering other people’s property all over the place, then drove out the money changers from the temple by whipping them. Does that sound like someone who never got pissed or was incapable of reacting violently? What those money changers were doing was accepted practice by the religious leaders and provided a needed service for those wishing to fulfill their religious obligations.

The same thing—reshaping of doctrine to meet one’s particular appetites—takes place in all other religious systems.

The article is a farrago of Multiculturalist sophism attempting to equate the mostly imaginary threat from a small, insignificant, Christian fundamentalist group in the U.S. with the factual and horrific Islamist fundamentalist terror that the world has had to endure for about 40+ years.

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By Shenonymous, July 14, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

All religion have their origins in and is the resort of primitive savages
who were not able to fathom what life was about once they cognized
beyond the scavenger state (prehunter/gatherer) the world at large,
including birth/death and the things they saw in the sky, the sun,
moon, stars and around them in their environment and began to
invent reasons for everything.  As language developed, so did
storytelling which is where religions began.  Most humans evolved
out of that need to be cared for by a being larger than the existence
that was as harsh as it could be, as living in the state of nature is
hostile to all life while at the same time providing the sustenance, i.e.,
food, for survival to be available.  Still, a great number have not grown
out of their primitive mind and think there are occult or extraterrestrial
answers.  It is comforting to have a caretaker, even if that caretaker is
violent and through various devices, including human hands, kill and
injure humans…but also by many other means and agents such as non-
human animals, organisms, and non-organic things like the state of the
earth, supernovas, and so forth.  If we want to rid ourselves of a great
deal of angst, including the war and its accoutrements, it is our
intelligent imperative to come to terms with our childish need for a
caretaker and each one of us to the degree that we physically and
mentally can learn to become completely self-reliant yet conscious of
our need for society and our fellow humans, as well as feeling the urge
to care for other species and the world-at-large.  If that is, as a
species, we want to preserve the Earth as our home for millennia to
come.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, July 14, 2011 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

“We are all endangered, regardless of our religion, by fanatics. The fanatics must not be allowed to prevail.” -Lafayette. 

Please don’t forget the teachers at the Madrasahs, and those who fund them, because they perfectly understand fanaticism, cultivate it, and direct it as a diversion and means to stuff their pockets.

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By culheath, July 14, 2011 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

Did you too take note of how each of your posts below deal with the fact that you’re the brightest human being you can imagine?

Obviously brighter than some, less so than others. I’ll let you decide which part of the spectrum you think I see you fit into.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 14, 2011 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

Gabriel

I got as far is this:

” All things / tools you speak of, including Electromagnetic devices, computers, planes, cars, etc. are “copies” of Ancient Tech. This technology is clearly stated in Egyptian, Hindu, Chinese, Maya and other records.”

and realized I was dealing with a total delusional whack job who has connection whatsoever with reality.  You may actually believe this crap.  More’s the pity. 

Since you have no rational, logical or factual perception of reality, even when you are banging on its keyboard, any further discussion is pointless.  I hope you find a nice happy “plane of reality” very far from the one I live on.

There are a lot of nut-jobs here on TD but it’s been years since I’ve seen one as out there as you.

No, the Egyptians didn’t have airplanes or cell phones or even Nintendo GameBoys.  Sorry, Skeezix.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 14, 2011 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

culheath, - “it’s hard to believe people are still confusing oracular poetry with quantum mechanics.”

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Did you too take note of how each of your posts below deal with the fact that you’re the brightest human being you can imagine?

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By culheath, July 14, 2011 at 5:02 am Link to this comment

How did this article spawn such a convention for Thelemist sophistry? I mean Crowley is fun and interesting and all, but seriously…it’s hard to believe people are still confusing oracular poetry with quantum mechanics.

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By PatrickHenry, July 14, 2011 at 3:21 am Link to this comment

Gabriel,

You failed to mention your primary news source.

http://weeklyworldnews.com/

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By Gabriel, July 13, 2011 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

@PatrickHenry
Says the guy who uses Bing.com, that tracks user activities and do profiling, giving you personalized results. So much for your Anon mask too.

Maybe you’d be good enough to help me with Cults, Occult info,
industrial military complex, elites, banksters, monarchy, ruling class, history etc. .. because my/our 50+ yrs of investigation falls short to your specs?
Maybe you’d be kind enough to translate those ancient texts, archives, languages and tell me/us of what they contain, if you can get access to them or have insiders to get copies, that is.
Maybe you’d have the time to search out all museums and private collections for ancient info that’s well scattered due to pillaging by Europeans.

But on the other hand you can save yourself a lot of heartache and spend some time at the Library of Congress or some other major library connecting the dots, like we have, to start with. Maybe extending that to most libraries world wide.
If not, then you’ll just have to visit u-tube and multitude of websites to see what others have compiled at the risk of being arrested, threatened and even many killed ... or put up with my “select fringe”.
Your choice. smile

as the saying goes: It’s easy to judge when you’re an armchair critic.

So, spare me and everyone else the heartache if you don’t have anything constructive or valid to contribute.
Thank you smile

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By BrunoDiderot1, July 13, 2011 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

It’s funny to read comments from Christians that pretend that they are “persecuted”.

Uh . . . NO.

They expect to be worshiped and adored, because they are members of the “I’ve Been Saved, so KMA” Club.  When they don’t get the adulation their fragile little egos crave . . . they claim persecution. ... SORRY, that just won’t work.

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By PatrickHenry, July 13, 2011 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel,

Sounds like you fell asleep with the History channel on too many times.

You seem to be privy to a select history only known to yourself and a select fringe judging by some of your u-tube ‘backup’.

Dream on.

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By Mo Hammad, July 13, 2011 at 6:29 pm Link to this comment
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Religious chauvenism is as old as religion.  Every major religion preaches that it is the one and only. Islam the first among them.  People take it upon themselves to judge others about the validity and purity of their faith. Where in truth religion is a personal journey and only the believer knows for sure the full extent and veracity of their faith.  If you believe in God then you would believe that faith and religion is between the worshiper and God. No middleman.  Those other mortals that claim higher moral and spiritual rights are mere manipulators, ulitmately no better than Scientology or similar cult groups.

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By Gabriel, July 13, 2011 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

@Inherit The Wind

LOL ,, you’re good, really good. At what I don’t know yet. But you are stubborn about your views.
Theory is theory (Period)
 
Inventions and Things you speak of are actual and part of Natural Law and have nothing to do with Quantum Theory, as Present Quantum Theory has major flaws. See my link to Nassim ...
 
All things / tools you speak of, including Electromagnetic devices, computers, planes, cars, etc. are “copies” of Ancient Tech. This technology is clearly stated in Egyptian, Hindu, Chinese, Maya and other records.
 
Before Vatican closed it’s doors to it’s massive library Tesla’s father and many other so-called inventors spent a great deal of time making copies. Difference between Tesla and others is that his father taught him to open critical thinking areas of his brain according to info found in Vatican, then gave him ancient texts to look at. This forced his brain to continually see ideas as visions. No wonder the FBI ceased his notes when he died, and never released them.
 
Hitler’s cronies spend ample time gathering and experimenting with knowledge they stole from Middle East and every other library they could. Same as USA has in Iraq and other places.
 
US Army stole over 6 truck loads of tablets while leaving massive amounts of Gold, gems and other precious artifacts. That was even reported on Truthdig silly.
 
It’s the same for rest of subjects you speak of. So don’t give me that New Age religious crap.
 
Bible is nothing but a watered down version of previous and much older records. It’s a pointer to scientists and alchemists to look for ancient tech. and knowledge. Torah, as with all ancient copies of records, is codified with ancient knowledge previous to great flood of 10,500 yrs ago.
 
YHMH = tetragrammaton = ancient tech. previous to 10,500 yrs = machine that fits specifically into sarcophagus in great pyramid. Moses stole it from Egypt and that’s why Pharaoh of the time got a whole army to retrieve it. That’s the God Jews bow down to.
 
Palm Leaf Manuscripts, which are being translated now, clearly state full extent of all ancient knowledge. Including Natural Laws, metaphysics, cosmos, “star gates”, interstellar ships, submarines, computers, free ambient energy, planes, time, life, life on other planets and rest of knowledge about our universe. Same as 300 essential books of all knowledge that King Solomon hid due to missuses.
 
You really should check your history before posting such mainstream drivel.
 
Popular Christianity is nothing but a bastardization of Roman system of tyranny and has No Right to be influencing any military where unsuspecting soldiers sign up to be slathered for an unjust and unlawful cause.
 
General population of Earth is realizing how far the Aryan / Roman construct [outright EV’IL] is willing to go and will stop it in one mass decapitation. I will go as far as saying our nearest neighbors are here to help. Take a good CCTV camera on any clear night and you will see them, 100,000’s of them. Anyone promoting or caught promoting bastardized Roman system will end up dead.
 
This is not religion. It’s a fact that’s been building since corruption of Amun Priests of Egypt and those whom continually poison the Earth and oppress life. The Universe is pissed off and it’s close to time to fix the problem, permanently.
 
You can try to manipulate all you want but you can’t change the truth.

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By shout fire in a crowded theater, July 13, 2011 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

Lew:
Funny.  I don’t feel inverted.  But I do feel stupefied by your reply and your intentional distortion of the Farrell piece.

Briefly, the Farrell’s writing begins generally with a personal revelation about his religious life, specifically condemns radicalism in religion of all denominations, and then specifically calls attention to a particular example of extremism in the United States military.  You distort the assertions made by labeling them a “screed” and claiming it to somehow be an attack on all of Christianity.  So off the mark are your comments that it is no longer possible to give them serious consideration.

It appears to me that the central points are as follows:

First, that there is a movement in the United States that calls for taking control of government and running the country in manner consistent with a very conservative Christian view of reality and that somehow they are chosen by god to do so.  This assertion is not very radical at all.  The religious right has been hard at it for the past thirty years –Jerry Farwell and the Moral Majority to Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council are two examples.  Farrell cites a third, Dominionists. 

Second, that this movement has elements that are anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim.  He cites specific examples.  Likewise, this is not a radical assertion.  It is not common for those holding extreme religious beliefs – extremist Muslims included – to say and to do terrible things to those hold divergent beliefs. 

Lastly, that in the United States – where freedom of individual conscience and freedom of religious belief – is celebrated, anti-Semitism in the military should be condemned.

You claim that Christianity is under attack in the United States but you cite no example where its practice is prohibited.  The abundance and variety of Christian churches in my own neighborhood seems to make the contrary case. 

To personalize this matter for a moment, one (or more of my sisters) is a very conservative Christian who believes that this is a Christian nation that should be governed only by good God-fearing believers according to her view of the Bible which includes a God-ordained capitalist economy.  I disagree with her.  On election day our ballots tend to cancel one another.  But whether she is a Christian, a Jew, a or a Muslim her political views, her religious beliefs, and her vote are all protected under the law.  And I would oppose the government if it tried to infringe on her rights.  Am I a condemnable multiculturalist for supporting her rights?  I suppose so.  Do I think she is wrong?  I think she is bat-shit crazy. 

You flogging of “multiculturalism” is almost comic and assumes some universal understanding of what the expression means and what it implies.  It appears to me that for you it is exclusively some sort-of leftist relativist conspiracy aimed at destruction of western culture.  If so, you are wrong.  Undoubtedly you would consider me, and justifiably so, to be a leftist.  This leftist happens to very much likes much – but not all – of western culture.  At the same time, I find there to be aspects of other cultures worthy of respect.  While hesitant to speak for others, there are matters on which I know others agree.  We feel we should be able to enjoy, support, and celebrate the best aspects of our culture, and condemn those aspects that we find condemnable.  And, at the same time enjoy, support and celebrate the best aspects of other cultures, while condemning those aspects we find condemnable – all without feeling the necessity to destroy other cultures.

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By RayLan, July 13, 2011 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

@Lew Ciefer
” Jesus told his disciples to purchase swords if they didn’t have one in order to protect themselves.”

He also said
“. . . for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.” (Matthew 26:52, NASB).

Go figure.

The way self-appointed Christians reshape the Gospel to their self-centered purporse is a fascinating distortion, remaking Jesus in their own greedy, intolerant, violent image.
What is fascinating is that it works so well.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 13, 2011 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

ITW assigning someone else the moniker of bigot.

Good grief!  Anger surely does blind the mind.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 13, 2011 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

@ Inherit The Wind, July 13 at 2:00 pm

You should try to think with your brains instead of your emotions. Your little world does not constitute the whole.

In typical Leftist fashion you’ve totally misunderstood the context of what was said in order to attempt to kill the messenger. I said nothing—absolutely nothing—derogatory about Sikhs. The point being made is the constant pressure for the native majorities to cede their customs and traditions to those of emigrant minorities. This is standard modus operandi of Multiculturalist dogma that states that all cultures are equal. Of course, the reality is that all cultures are equal EXCEPT Western culture which is held in contempt and considered the bane of civilization by the Marxist/Socialist enablers. YOU … not Muslims or Sikhs … are the problem! YOU and those of your ilk.

Sikh ‘ceremonial daggers’ should be allowed in schools, says judge

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7189675/Sikh-ceremonial-daggers-should-be-allowed-in-schools-says-judge.html

Plymouth-Canton schools allow Sikh students to wear ceremonial dagger to class

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/02/plymouth-canton_schools_allow.html


You Leftist losers have really got to find another schtick. This branding everyone not stupid enough to fall for your adult male bovine ordure as a racist got old a long time ago.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 13, 2011 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Where do you come up with this crap?  I have personally, known, worked with, and befriended Sikhs and I have NEVER, repeat NEVER seen one with a dagger, ceremonial or otherwise, nor would they CONSIDER sending their children to school with one. The MAIN problem with Sikhs is that red-necks like you think they are Muslims and attack them, not being able to tell the blatantly obvious difference between a Sikh turban and a Muslim one.
Your racism and bigotry against any and all but white Protestants is revolting.

You make Archie Bunker look like a liberal.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 13, 2011 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

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@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 12 at 3:22 pm

Farrell’s piece on the coercive use of Christianity in the US military parallel the same complaints you make about the Saudi Kingdom.  Perhaps if American’s were to practice the same tolerance you hope to see toward Christianity in the Muslim world, the United States might become truly a role model.

I find this stupefying.

You are inverted. First you need to realize that Dominionists make up a very small extremist group on the periphery of Christendom. After all my years involved in Christian evangelicalism and atheism, before reading this article, I could name three Dominionists without having to search for them. Schaffer, whose book I read and considered a loon after doing so, Rushdooney and his son-in-law, Gary North, who has made so many absurd and failed prophecies that his writings can be used as a guide for what is sure not to happen.  Are their beliefs extreme? Hell yes! So much so that many Christians do not consider them Christians. Have Dominionists blown up any trains, bridges, naval vessels or buildings?

A quick reading of Farrell’s article can leave one feeling more than a little concerned about the grave threat Christian fundamentalists present to all those American values that the America-hating Left loathes. Of course, if one places her emotions on hold and actually ‘thinks’ through the scaremongering dribble one realizes that old B.J. Hunnicutt must be suffering from one hell of a drinking bout with his buddy Hawkeye.

Tell me Shout ...

Who fragged a tent full of his fellow American soldiers at the beginning of the Iraq invasion? Was it a loony Dominionist motivated by his fanatical religious beliefs or was it a Muslim killing Christian soldiers acting motivated by his fanatical religious beliefs?

Who MURDERED in cold blood 13 unarmed soldiers and wounded 29 others in Ft. Hood? Was it a crazed Christian lunatic motivated by his crazy religious beliefs or was it yet another Islamist mad dog and motivated by religious beliefs?

Who MURDERED in cold blood an unarmed Army recruiter and wounded another in Arkansas in 2009? Was it a Dominionist motivated by his religious beliefs and the recruiters’ failure to accept Jesus or was it Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad who claims he’s a radical Islamist?

Farrell is right to be concerned about stealth activity to usurp Western liberal traditional and all those American values that the Marxist/Socialist Left in the U.S. loves to hate and despise. His problem is that he is blinded by the light of his own arrogance and loathing that he cannot recognize the real enemy.


I’m no fan of Ayn Rand but she hit the proverbial nail on the head when she said: ” You can ignore reality, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”


My grief is not with the Saudi Kingdom but rather the anti-American Left. It’s the suicidal multicultural and politically correct dogmas whose implementation is destroying Western liberal tradition and mankind’s greatest achievements in self-government.

As for American tolerance ... are you out of your mind? What we see happening here and in Europe—that which Farrell really fears—is in pushing back by native majorities against the Left’s dogmatic persecution by targeted discrimination against the native majorities in favor of whatever stupid and inept ‘minority’ to whom it feels must be extended ‘exclusive rights’ for political expediency.

The real fun will begin when Muslims wake up and realize that the anti-America Left is using them as pawns in their quest to establish their Marxist/Socialist God-the-State inferno. It’s a nice plan; get the Muslims to take the heat while the superior virtued flaccid Enlightened hide, shaking in their boots, in their Ivory Towers in gated communities far away from the action.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 13, 2011 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

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The persecution—the targeted discrimination—is not against Christians alone but against Western civilization; the evil white men syndrome. Christians see it as persecution of Christians and Christianity because Christianity is indelibly interwoven into the fabric of liberal Western thought and tradition. Not all of the Founding Fathers were deists. Many Revolutionary leaders were unabashedly Christian and without doubt, so were the majority of the men and women who fought to free their nation from British tyranny. The U.S. was NOT founded as a Christian nation, but it damn sure was founded by Christians with guns and to deny that is to deny reality.

The Commie-Socialist-America-hater multiculturalists have, like Pandora, peaked into the box. The evil has been released ... the reckoning comes.


@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 12 at 3:22 pm

I submit that there is a vast difference in perturbance and persecution.  Use of the term “Islamophobia” does not rise to the level of persecution.

You lack a fuller understanding of perturbation and persecution. Perturbation—the act of perturbing, the state of being perturbed; agitation.—does not include “the act or practice of persecuting on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, or beliefs that differ from those of the persecutor.” The topic is based on religious, political, social and moral beliefs of persecuted Christians in the U.S. specifically and the West generally, because what is happening here is happening throughout the West; especially in once great Britain.

Islamophobia is a term coined by fundamentalists in the 1970s used to persecute a U.S. feminist, Kate Millet, for, supposedly, calling for Iranian women to remove their chadors. It was also used against Salmon Rushdie and has since proven to be an effective weapon utilized by both Islamists and their Leftists enablers and cohorts in the West to stifle legitimate criticism and critical discussion of Islam and Islamic fundamentalism. Understood comparably to xenophobe to be called an Islamophobe is to be labeled with the most dreaded label in the PC activists’ lexicon ... the “R” word! Few, especially amongst politicians, journalists, et al, in the PC environment of the now socialist West can bear the thought of being labeled with the “R” word thus making any discussion of Islam, racist and by default ... taboo. Free expression stifled!

The Achilles’ heel of the term is the fact that Islam is a religion, not an individual of a particular race or ethnicity. And Muslims—like Christians—are from just about every race on the rock. The term—Islamophobia—is subterfuge.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 13, 2011 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

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@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 12 at 3:22 pm
I am so very sorry to hear that you personally have suffered persecution in foreign countries.

I haven’t.

@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 12 at 3:22 pm

I guess I have never have felt the need to attend church services in any airport – either in the United States or in another country.

I have never felt the need to pray in an airport either but, apparently, many newcomers from Islamic paradises here in the U.S. weren’t able to comply with their religious prayer obligations—while working no less—and demanded and were provided special foot washing facilities in several of the nation’s airports. I thought that since we’re all about equality that surely a small chapel for Jews and Christians would be a loving gesture. The financing could be provided—as here in the States—with airport user fees.  I’m sure that Muslims would have no problem having their money used to provide facilities to enable Jews and Christians to practice religious rituals, especially since they hold Christians and Jews and homosexuals and women in such high esteem.

Imagine if Christian workers in airports demanded a statue of Jesus be constructed in a convenient place to facilitate religious obligations. Can you imagine the feigned Muslim outrage and the Left with its undies all tied in knots, decrying the insensitivity to Muslim feelings?

Sikhs are demanding the right to wear turbans while in military service. In some American and British school districts Sikhs are allowed to wear their ceremonial dagger. But if a Christian kid is caught with a common pocket knife what will happen to her and her parents? How would you feel if Christians demanded the right to carry a cat-o-nine tails in school to remind them of the suffering that their Christ endured for them? 

Christians wouldn’t even be given consideration because it’s fashionable and low-risk to criticize, ridicule, and persecute Christians in the West. They’re civilized, well-mannered and tolerant. They aren’t a minority, too inept to navigate life’s treacherous waters without the guiding hand of the superior virtued Enlightened, thus there’s little or no fear of retaliation like that which journalists fear from Islamists and other privileged ‘minorities’.

Have you considered that this article has an accompanying drawing of Jesus holding an M-16? What are the odds that we might see a drawing of Mohamed with a suicide bomb strapped to his chest?

And just so we’re clear. I like the picture of Jesus with an M-16. It actually plays into the hands of the Dominionist and Evangelical mindset because New Testament teaching is that Jesus first comes as a meek and mild sacrificial lamb but that he returns as the Lion of the tribe of Judah to slay the wicked with the sword of his mouth, which is metaphor for the Truth of his words. The insult intended by the photo is turned on its head and now becomes a banner under which Christians can unite.

Apparently some Christians have had enough and they’re starting to push back. That’s why we see this article; a ludicrous attempt to paint Christian fundamentalists in the U.S. as though they were anywhere near an equivalent threat to society as that of the Islamic-Marxist/socialist alliance. That’s beyond the pale.

Christians are reacting to the Multiculturalist orthodoxy of discriminatory privilege! It’s about God-the-State extending ‘rights’ (privileges) to favored factions for politically expedient reasons that others do not receive. This practice does not produce social harmony but rather racial, ethnic, religious, and political strife.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 13, 2011 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

@ Lafayette, July 12 at 2:42 pm
Better yet, it would have been nice had you made the Supreme Sacrifice for your country.

In boot camp a recruit is taught that it’s much better to have the other s-oh-bee make the supreme sacrifice for his country; if someone were unable to learn the significance of that concept a few precious seconds into his first encounter with the enemy cleared up problems.


Life is survival and since the Left is determined to drag this once representative republic under the boot of its totalitarian theocracy and the political system so corrupt as to prevent any real choice or opportunity for change, there’s but one option left for lovers of liberty; they have to ally themselves against the common enemy and push back with extreme prejudice.

Have a nice day Daffyette. smile

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By Philip Feeley, July 13, 2011 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment
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I’m surprised the Scientologists haven’t picked up on the Dominionist Christians’ tactic of infiltrating the military. Aren’t they the infiltrators of decision-making elites par excellence?

Perhaps you could get the Scientologists and the Dominionists to go at each other (with words of course!). While they’re preoccupied with that, maybe everyone else can get on with their lives unhindered.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 13, 2011 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

Gabriel,
Your tired old arguments don’t wash.
1) You can’t prove a negative.  YOU have to prove you are right, all we have to do is find flaws in your argument.
2) a)You betray your ignorance with your misuse and misunderstanding of the word “Theory”, thinking that when Columbo (RIP, Mr. Falk) said “I got a theory about the murder” that that’s what a “theory” is. But what he SHOULD have called a Testable Hypothesis doesn’t make good TV.
  b) You are sitting and typing at something functioning as “just a theory”.  You put your life and your family’s life in its hands everyday. Planes fly, land, cars monitor fuel and hospital instruments record and warn or adjust based on “just a theory”:  The Quantum Theory of Physics.  Without it, there’s no semiconductors, no microchips, no cell phones, no PCs, no Internet.  The Quantum Theory cannot be proven…It can only be disproven.
  c) The General Theory of Relativity is one of the LEAST demonstrated “Just a Theories” in the History of Science.  Difficult even to DEMONSTRATE—it took a solar eclipse to provide the first concrete evidence of its validity—deflection of stars’ light from predicted locations by the Sun’s gravity.  Yet all, and I mean ALL modern cosmology MUST abide by the rules of the General and Special Theories.
d) In the 1800’s a Scotsman named Maxwell laid down the Electromagnetic Theory, that shows the interrelation between magnetism and electricity. Your vacuum cleaner and car’s alternator, your central heat and air, the generators that make the WHOLE of modern powered industrial society possible, come down to Maxwell’s “Just a Theory”.
e) Scientific theories are far more than a simple Hypothesis.  They are not “Just a Theory” but a detailed explanation AND PREDICTION OF BEHAVIOR.  Just one unexplainable single failure to predict can force either the re-formulating or even abandonment, as the “Steady State Universe” had to be abandoned.
f) your ignorance is typical of the religious Right who still haven’t gotten over being made a laughing stock at the Scopes trial in 1925.
3) First time I heard a non-Atheist/non-Agnostic claim he had “no Religion” he was a bat-shit crazy member of the Assembly of God (a la John Ashcroft).  He said he had “no religion”.  This was because HE worshiped the one true God and Jesus in the One True Way..it was as real to him as a door-knob…and “religion” was what everyone else believed in that wasn’t “real”. (Yeah, he claimed he saw angels and demons and that he and his wife had battled with them. ‘Course, this was the ‘70’s and he been “saved” from a life of sex’n'drugs’n'rock’n'roll…)
4) Somebody always claims I’m lazy because I won’t do their work of proving their point for them…when it’s clearly all bullshit.  Guess I’m just lazy!
5) Be cool, Fool!

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By Gil Gaudia, Ph.D., July 13, 2011 at 10:38 am Link to this comment
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The article was about religion in the military—not your favorite Christian pet peeve.  Why is the author surprised in a country where the leading Republican presidential candidate believes that she speaks to God—and (guess what?)He answers her?

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