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Posted on Dec 9, 2010
AP / April L.Brown

By Stanley Kutler

(Page 2)

The chestnut of secession, slavery and the Civil War still divides us, but here, too, the historical presumptions border on the absurd. Sen. Jim DeMint, a South Carolina Republican (certainly there is a historical joke in this label), seems to have a corner on the microphone to proclaim the virtues of his constitutionalism. His television appearances are marked by a backdrop of the flag and the Constitution. DeMint insists he will reject legislation not tied to specific constitutional authorization. Perhaps that means Social Security and Medicare, which are nowhere mentioned in the Constitution, but instead derive from the proviso of the “power to tax and spend ... for the general welfare.” We can only anxiously await his views on the post-Civil War amendments, the 13th, 14th and 15th.

DeMint’s congressional and ideological predecessors believed in the right to secession and disunion—of course without constitutional authorization, as Abraham Lincoln steadfastly maintained. It took four years of bloody war to quash that notion.

DeMint’s allies in the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the Confederate Heritage Trust are preparing a sesquicentennial secession ball in Charleston and a 10-day re-enactment at Fort Sumter, apparently with the support of the state. The sponsors insist they merely will honor those who signed the secession ordinances. A spokesman maintained they were not defending slavery, but rather “defending the South’s right to secede, the soldiers’ right to defend their homes, and the right to self-government.” And now, 200 years later, they can celebrate history without acknowledging slavery as the cause of secession. They will not quote what Mississippi said in its secession ordinances, that slavery was “the greatest material interest of the world,” or mention its fear that abolition would undermine “commerce and civilization.” Slavery obviously caused the Civil War, Confederate glorifiers notwithstanding.

The right’s twist of history to please its backers and fuel its agenda is a vigorous enterprise. Serious history, serious scholarship and serious discussion of facts and ideas are dismissed with tunnel vision. In Lewis Carroll’s “Through the Looking Glass,” Humpty Dumpty scornfully said “when I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” When Alice protested, Humpty Dumpty replied that the issue was “which is to be master—that’s all.” But take hope—Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.

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Stanley Kutler is the author of “The Wars of Watergate” and other writings.


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By MarthaA, December 26, 2010 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

David J. Cyr, December 26 at 1:56 pm,

You are harping on a frame that excludes the 70% Majority Common Population, the American Populace, from the making and enforcing of legislated law and order in the United States.

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By David J. Cyr, December 26, 2010 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

QUOTE (MarthaA):

“The problem is not Democrat and Republican, which are only names; the problem is liberal and conservative, as for the past 30 years and more, before and since Ronald Reagan was elected, LIBERAL has been and is consistently propagandized as a dirty word”
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It’s not the propaganda of conservatives that’s responsible for that. It’s the behavior of liberals that has made “liberal” the pejorative word it so rightfully is.

Liberals only differ from conservatives in their wanting what conservatives want done “better” than the conservatives do it.

That’s why Democrats and Republicans reliably regularly vote together to provide 99% popular mandates for more war. Liberals are covert conservatives.

The people who admire the silver-tongued deceiver Bill Moyers vote for the same shit that the people who idolize Glen Beck do. They just want different management to provide the same shit.

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By MarthaA, December 26, 2010 at 1:42 am Link to this comment

David J. Cyr, December 16 at 1:54 pm,

Our government needs to crack down on the political propaganda by the FOX News Network and many churches and get rid of the Electoral College.  The Electoral College should be totally done away with as it serves no purpose other than the protection of the greater and lesser aristocracies from the 70% Majority Common Population, from which many could rule better than has been happening with the selected aristocratic hand picked nominees, like Ronald Reagan, CIA Bush I and Bush II and the Republican Heavy Democrats like the Clintons and Obama.

The problem is not Democrat and Republican, which are only names; the problem is liberal and conservative, as for the past 30 years and more, before and since Ronald Reagan was elected, LIBERAL has been and is consistently propagandized as a dirty word by monied, academic, religious, military, and genteel conservatives both Republican and Democrat throughout the media, private corporations, and all the public school systems of the United States and around the world and 70% of the population of our country fall in the liberal category, as 98% of the wealth of the nation belongs to 2% of the people, the conservatives.

Conservatives have large amounts of capital to conserve and want more, while liberals have debt and little, if any, capital to conserve, many relying on liberal government, think they are conservative Republicans or Democratic conservatives in this capitalist nation— [a democratic conservative is an oxymoron] and have no idea what capital is, much less the conservation of capital, and vote against themselves on a regular basis, thinking money setting in the bank is capital, or their house or car is capital, and even think that they have to help the capitalists in order to have a job; and are led against their best interest by the overwhelming supply of highly paid conservative propagandists, like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly, as well as many pompous conservative religious leaders propagandizing politically on television and in their churches pulpits against liberals and socialism for the majority; and never discouraging the use of liberal and socialism for the aristocracies.

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By Mr. Muhammad Zamiluddin Khan, December 24, 2010 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment
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Happy Holidays and Happy New Year.thanks.Muhammad Zamiluddin Khan’92,HSPH[Muhammad Khan’92,HSPH] a. k. a. Zamil Khan

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By David J. Cyr, December 16, 2010 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

QUOTE (of an avatar… being a fart offered to beneficiaries):

“People vote for stupid stuff and evil stuff. But without the vote stupider… more evil stuff gets done.”
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Yes. When too few stupid Republicans vote, the clever Democrats get the evil stuff done.

Elections might possibly serve a good purpose in America after all the corporate party’s Republican and Democrat voters are dead.

SOLUTION: Republicans and Democrat voters should all be on the front line of the wars they keep voting for every chance they get… and all Stop Loss remain there until they each find an IED with their name on it.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 16, 2010 at 8:17 am Link to this comment

Of course it’s no panacea, but at least it allows each adult SOME voice in how he/she is governed, which is a fundamental right.

And, of course, that’s the one that those with power are always seeking to control and disable as much as possible.

People vote for stupid stuff and evil stuff. But without the vote stupider and more evil stuff gets done.

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By Anarcissie, December 15, 2010 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

ITW—Voting is no panacea, but the alternatives are usually worse, so I guess we’re stuck with it.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 15, 2010 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, December 15 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment

ITW—The take-away is that because people die for a cause does not mean it is a good cause.  Causes must be justified on other grounds than that people are willing to die for them.
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So?  I got that part. 

Are you saying that the cause of the right to vote isn’t a good cause, one even worth risking one’s life for?  Keeping raspberries out of my chocolate desserts is a good cause—I don’t like raspberries and all they do is spoil the chocolate.  It’ s a good cause, even though it’s obviously a highly trivial and parochial tiny little cause.

Yet the fact that someone, or many someones are willing to die for a cause indicates it needs to be considered very seriously.  I don’t think dying as a “martyr” (ie suicide bomber) for Islam is a good cause, but clearly these people do.  So blowing it off, as you blow off the right to vote indicates YOU don’t think it’s a worthy cause.

Or do you?

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By Anarcissie, December 15, 2010 at 6:36 pm Link to this comment

ITW—The take-away is that because people die for a cause does not mean it is a good cause.  Causes must be justified on other grounds than that people are willing to die for them.

rico, suave—Post-factuality is implicit in the Protestant idea that every man may interpret the Scriptures.  From that libertarian egalitarianism stem such important ideas as liberalism, and hence our Declaration of Independence and Constitution and supposedly limited government.  In science, there is no theory which cannot be challenged (within the rules), even though the existence of science generally implies that somewhere, somehow, there must be One True Truth.

So I was wondering where Kutler comes down on this issue, but I guess he doesn’t read the commentaries.

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By rico, suave, December 15, 2010 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie:

The mere fact that there even exists a “post-factual side” for any to take is very discouraging to me.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 15, 2010 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, December 15 at 4:29 am Link to this comment

  Inherit The Wind, December 13 at 6:11 pm:

  ‘Around the world, we have seen people dying for the right to vote, the right you dismiss so easily.’

People died for the right to keep slaves, too.
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So…what’s the takeaway here?  That voting is the moral equivalent of owning slaves?  Can you make a more absurd ethical juxtaposition?

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By David J. Cyr, December 15, 2010 at 12:05 am Link to this comment

A supermajority of Americans regularly vote to remain obedient slaves… till death they depart.

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By Anarcissie, December 14, 2010 at 11:29 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, December 13 at 6:11 pm:

‘Around the world, we have seen people dying for the right to vote, the right you dismiss so easily.’

People died for the right to keep slaves, too.

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By Anarcissie, December 14, 2010 at 11:25 pm Link to this comment

rico, suave, December 13 at 11:47 pm:

‘... Having opened his piece with that sentiment, all that follows is irrelevant. Having established that there are 7 billion separate definitions of “water” on this planet, why bother trying to make any points at all. ...

I think Kutler was really taking the One True Historical Truth side, not the Post-Factual side.

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By rico, suave, December 13, 2010 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

“In our post-factual world, history has become another battlefield, with far-flung hostilities over cultural and political differences as well as the imperial adventures abroad. But, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan once remarked, we are entitled to opinions, not to our own facts.”

Having opened his piece with that sentiment, all that follows is irrelevant. Having established that there are 7 billion separate definitions of “water” on this planet, why bother trying to make any points at all.

“Post-factualism” is the last refuge of liberalism.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 13, 2010 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

Around the world, we have seen people dying for the right to vote, the right you dismiss so easily.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 13, 2010 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

Local Hero:

When my grandfathers took their oaths of naturalization, they signed the contract. Every time I vote for a Congressperson, Senator, or electors for President, I’m re-affirming the contract.

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By NYCartist, December 13, 2010 at 9:18 am Link to this comment

Putz title. Sexist.

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By socks, December 13, 2010 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

There are some facts about this nation’s founding
that cannot be refuted, because the original
documents are bound in the documents that the era
created over major events.

The Declaration of Independence makes it clear why it
became necessary to break with the rule of the
English Monarchy.

Two of the major reasons declared in the document
that cannot be refuted were that they were no longer
willing to be dominated was: (1)The Monarchy refused
to follow existing law to prosecute its citizens
fairly. (2) Bondage to International Monopolistic
trade was so burdensome that there was fear for
citizens own life and prosperity. Both leading to
unfair and burdensome taxation that did nothing to
better the citizens.

It is my belief that those same fundamental rules
that we are now governed by are largely ruling this
nation right now.

We have a overreaching Executive that has begun to flout the notion of rule of law and equal justice for
all citizens, for the express purpose of futhering
its own ambitions. Plus, International Corporate
Monopolies and world banking are now crushing
American businesses and threatening citizens ability
to earn a living from their own labor.

The American notion of freedom was from unjust rule
without the same laws applying to all, and freedom
from International monopolies control over our lives
and welfare.

Sometimes the perversions are just too big to ignore.

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By LocalHero, December 13, 2010 at 4:31 am Link to this comment

ITW,
To call the Constitution “the GREAT Contract” or any contract at all is a fraud. A contract must be signed by the parties involved. Did you sign “the GREAT Contract” by your own hand? Or did one of your direct, blood relatives sign it? Doubtful. Then you have no interest in it and you’re not a party to it. You never have been and you never will be. It is, in fact, more of a Will or bankruptcy trust than a contract. Have you ever asked yourself why, in its body, it’s so concerned with bankruptcy? It’s because that’s exactly what it is. It’s the bankruptcy paperwork for the United States of America. Gee, it was a free country for a whole 13 years.

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By MarthaA, December 13, 2010 at 1:31 am Link to this comment

If you really want to know about the history of the United States, read Howard Zinn’s “A Peoples History of the United States:  1492 - Present”.

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By Geoph, December 12, 2010 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment
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“The popular mind has grown so confused that it is no longer able to receive any
statement of fact except as an expression of personal feeling.”

Dorothy L. Sayers (The Mind of the Maker, 1941)

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By Mr. Muhammad Zamiluddin Khan, December 12, 2010 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment
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Leaving old history in Europe and starting everything new is not what American “Exceptional ism” all about.Let me be very frank, I do not say “American Exceptional ism” , I say “American Uniqueness” is what constitute “Americanism”.Why Unique?Simple.The Settlers came here to seek the Bounty of God.The Pilgrims in Plymouth is just that.Upon arrival they found in the Nature something different than Europe.The landmass differs from Europe,whereas they were whites and grew up with traditions expected from Europeans.Be it language and cloths and what they eat.But they sleep in a time when many in Europe are awake,They did walk in a time when many Europeans were in sleep.Their time to walk and sleep got changed.As they started sleeping and walking differently due to different type of landmass and time difference they understood with five senses they saw the_Sunset and Dawn on different time in Different parts of their country as well as they realized they need to change.Europe also changed with time.But the pace was not phenomenal.American settlers changed themselves so fast that they needed their rights.Imagine to reach a Royal decree in USA form the Court of St.James did take months.So they did what God fearing people would do -They thaught through about their future and future of Succeeding generations.Generational Transfer of knowledge and Experience so that those who come and would be born after them do not start everything anew.And it went on 130 years and on and In 1918 Woodrow Wilson the Political scientist -Who succeeded those who gave him as Justice Thomas put it"Fundamental Law” brought a very young Nation to Europe and In 1945 Truman fraught the Young Nation to Asia and Africa with the UN.Now, there are some who argue that “Enough!America first”.Because they really believe they learned enough to work another 100 years to walk and sleep differently.Question was after 9/11 whether the Muslims would be part of this attempt to walk and sleep differently on the Land of “Plenty”... Whwre God’s Bounty got manifested?I fraught as anyone would have done for his faith - for my faith-the voice of Islam on this Land of “Plenty” from God All Mighty as an Author,Poet and Designer and a Social worker in Bangladesh with any resources available and legal on the soil of Bangladesh.In this new journey is also unique experience in many respects for the Americans.many Issues are needed to be decided and One Man does not decide everything or moderate everything either ,he needs Cualition and long term Cualition ,because constructing a New century is not short term affair.And the first condition was to have the right of arguing among themselves in their own land as they did all-through their history i, from the day of the pilgrims in Plymouth and to join each other on Thanks Giving Day as they did back in Plymouth in 1620.This is American Uniqueness to me and that is the “Essence of Americanism” to me also. I stay late night to put my comments on Truthdig in response to others’ comments.Muhammad Zamiluddin Khan,92,HSPH, a. k. a. Zamil Khan

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By Anarcissie, December 12, 2010 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

gerard, December 12 at 4:23 am:

‘Part of the sick myth of “American exceptionalism” came out of a national desire to leave history behind in Europe and begin anew.  It was never possible, but that didn’t (and doesn’t) prevent people from believing the myth.  They know it isn’t so, that history can’t be left behind, but they believe it anynow.’

The desire to escape from history—‘indeed little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortunes of mankind’—seems completely reasonable to me.  ‘History is a nightmare from which I am trying to escape.’ ‘The tradition of all dead generations weighs like an nightmare on the brains of the living.’  And of course the Bible is full of escapes, from Noah and Abraham and Exodus through to the personal and communal escapes from history and culture promised in the New Testament.  One would be foolish not to attempt to escape, if one could.

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By David J. Cyr, December 12, 2010 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

QUOTE (of an unperson avatar… an inherited fart):

“The checks and balances always relied on self-interest.”
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The Constitution in general, and the checks and balances in particular, were designed to ensure that democracy would not occur… to thereby perpetually protect the wealthiest from everyone not the wealthiest.

This is what kleptocratic oligarchy looks like.

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By Mr. Muhammad Zamiluddin Khan, December 12, 2010 at 11:10 am Link to this comment
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Those who argue this and goes on saying that the US Constitution is Universalism in Nature and thus do not protect the rights, and they are “unalienable Rights” of everyone and cite the example of women getting suffrage in 20th Century only and so forth do not and I think should have discussed the concept of class first n before moving to the concept of “Oligarchy’ and “Corporate Interest”.Imagine Karl Marx wrote only One and 1/2 page long analysis of “Class” and Engles relied on that discussed a little bit more and Lenin did set up an Entire state known as Soviet Union based on that analysis of “Class” and it did not survive even 100 years.Quiet normal for not being able to understand the “Market” where contracts do take place every second between buyer and seller.The Founding Fathers of USA and the Framers of constitution was seller of the “Idea United States of America” and came up with “Articles of Confederation” and the ‘Constitution” and the buyers were American people. they sold theis q\unique concept of “Statehood” as Megna Carta to American people where they agerred to disagree and came to an “agreement” to conduct their lives as “FREE People” on Earth.And The Slaves were not considered as Free.Because there was no disagreement on the issue,while sufferings that cause and will cause us and future generation to cry out loud so that our collective sin where “Free People” chained those “who were not free to them” only and was free before God whose granted “Unalienable Rights” they exercised.i;e, the Founding Fathers of USA and denied to slaves as matter of choice for economic prosperity of themselves,say.But,I insist,but they laid out a process,very Important a “Social Process” that would be sufficient to construct"Social fabric” and rectify the errors that they made due to temporal and spatial constraints.They are the Process Founder of such a “Social Contract” that get challenged but keep going like the"Energizer”-due to “Human Energy”.Rousseau’s Social contract was Theory and Grey and “The USA” as State is “Life ” and “Green” with stripe of the color “Blue’.Mr.Muhmmad Zamiluddin Khan’92,HSPH,a. k. a. Zamil Khan 12/12/10

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By Inherit The Wind, December 12, 2010 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

Contracts are always written to benefit those writing them…
to take advantage of those accepting them.

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That’s just flat-out absurd and recognizes that you have no understanding of what a “contract” is or means.

Yes, when you buy a cell-phone and its service you are screwed if the provider decides to screw you.  But even THAT and their forcing of “arbitration” (a form of private, pre-bought court) are being challenged.

But anyone who has bought or sold a home knows full well that you can negotiate ANY part of that contract.

One of the reasons that Reagan began his multi-pronged attack on labor unions was to break the unions’ power to negotiate contracts to the table.

But coercive, one-sided contracts are being challenged.

However, the GREAT Contract, the Constitution, is nothing of the sort.  Perhaps you don’t believe in it as a viable document.  I think you don’t.  But it was written with the full knowledge that in reality, you cannot rely on people’s “Better Angels” and must assume they’ll try to game the system for themselves.

The checks and balances always relied on self-interest. When one party stopped doing every in its power to protect its interests and instead cowered, the system began to come apart.

For that I blame the Democrats since 1994, who have been the GOP’s ‘b****es’ since then.

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By David J. Cyr, December 12, 2010 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

Contracts are always written to benefit those writing them…
to take advantage of those accepting them.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 12, 2010 at 12:58 am Link to this comment

I have no idea what American Exceptionalism is other than it seems to be right-wing justification for the masses and an apologia for every absurd military and political interference in other nations that violate US law and tradition.

To argue our history is unique is a straw man. Every nation’s history is unique.

To argue that our culture and system of government is what made us the most powerful nation and justifies what ever we do is merely to recycle a repackaged version of “The Divine Right of Kings”. (Of course, the Chinese believed as well in “The Divine Right of The People to Rebel” for over 2,000 years).

What differed the US from other nations prior to it was The Contract.  As, of all people, George Will put it so eloquently, all you have to do to be an American (in theory), is agree to The Contract, which is, of course, the Constitution.  Our oaths/affirmations are of loyalty to “Uphold The Constitution”.  While other nations were moving in that direction, this was the one that did it first.

But that’s it.  That’s the only thing that ever made us any more “unique” than any other nation.  And as our leaders bust the contract in myriad ways, and we accept it, our whole basis for claiming to be a morally founded society crumbles.

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By gerard, December 11, 2010 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment

Part of the sick myth of “American exceptionalism” came out of a national desire to leave history behind in Europe and begin anew.  It was never possible, but that didn’t (and doesn’t) prevent people from believing the myth.
  They know it isn’t so, that history can’t be left behind, but they believe it anynow.  Why? Because it offers a way to escape from past sins.  It is, in a slightly different form,the same myth as the religious hope to confess and be forgiven, to escape from past mistakes. It is a hope as natural as breathing.
  All history is “corrupted” by it. It is the indestructible human desire for freedom from the past, for forgiveness of self and others, for wiping the slate clean, 12 Steps—an idea with a million applications.
  Sometimes just by believing the myth, it seems to materializes in a more believable form and turns into a spiritual talisman. At other times it takes on the mask of conceit and a cruel dominance.
  Yet without this myth of renaissance, a special providence—call it what you will.—the human race could probably not have survived.  The daily routine, with its dawns and dusks, is the metaphorical figuring forth of the idea of escape from eternal darkness into eternal light. 
  America was doubly affected by the myth because of the settlers’ expanse of what they saw as “open country”. They were so intent upon a “new day” that they have failed utterly to treasure the day that was.”  Darkness approaches, as always, and we are in need of seers. As Redhorse suggests, conscience is the “missing link” which causes us to remember the morning, and (in a manner of speaking) stay “saved.”  History is the slide show of who remembers what, and how, and why.

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By REDHORSE, December 11, 2010 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

No matter what form the Gordian rationalization of avaricious greed may take, the actual indictment of the so called “Left” by the “Right”, is Human Conscience. The entire American propagandist/materialist/corporatist/war machine is an open assault on Conscience. Conscience is the common denominator of evolved Human Consciousness and its absence is the first indicator of the Psychopath.

    The “ism” (capitalism-socialism-communism-fascism) isn’t the problem. It is, seizure and exploitation of the “ism” by the avaricious thug, which creates social disintegration and human damage. Russian Communism degenerated into a criminal oligarchy and to our great horror and experience American Capitalism followed suit. Oligarchic control of our Democracy (Homeland vs. Nation—Patriot Act vs. Constitution) is the actual disease.

    American Democratic principals of human dignity, life, liberty, freedom, speech and happiness are implicit aspects of Human Conscience and were expressly voiced in our our Constitution. I suspect most of the rage and confusion expressed by TRUTHDIGGERS on these threads is the obvious inhuman violation of these principals. Bottom line, the entire oligarchic apparatus is built to batter, shout down, confuse and demean Conscience. That’s reality. The power of the oligarchy is a manufactured mass psychosis held in place by gunpoint fear. If you think words and concepts like Democracy, freedom, free speech, and liberty are passe, you’re sick in the #%@kin’ head. Seek help!!

      World Consciousness and Environmental consequence will no longer allow/sustain International Criminal Oligarchy. The Plant Earth is on the verge of Human cultural flatline. The resultant human damage and social disintegration we see around us reflects the last desperate attempts of avaricious tyranny to seize total control of a dying World. The unfortunate American dilemma is the total capitulation by its elected leadership to these forces.

      The ongoing Wikileaks saga removed the masks. The bare naked lie is revealed. Truth is the greatest enemy of an oligarchic state.

      Speak it!!

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By diamond, December 11, 2010 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

Maybe you’re being ironic, prosefights, but I hope you’re not denying that ‘History is always written by the victors’. The only honest historian I ever came across was a Frenchman who wrote in the preface to his history of France: ‘I’m French and I love France and everything in this book has to be seen in that light.’ An honest historian who warned the reader beforehand that he was only human - and, worse, patriotic. A sticker should be made for various nationalities saying exactly the same thing and put on every history book. A far right historian is always going to see things through the prism of his ideology as will a leftist or a liberal. A passionate humanist will see war as appalling and barbaric and a failure or reason and a passionate right wing nationalist will see war as inevitable and as Winston Churchill said (I’m paraphrasing), ‘The proper occupation of gentlemen.’ And surely when new facts come to light, history must be re-written or it becomes a lie, a lie agreed to by the powerful perhaps, but still a lie.

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By Mr. Muhammad Zamiluddin Khan, December 11, 2010 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment
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Netaji Shuvash Chandra Bose-An Indian National Figure once wrote that there are two kinds of people-On e who make History and the Other who write about history.The Author want to argue that One who make history also the Historian .On the surface of it ,very catchy and interesting proposition.But look at the assertion carefully-what you claim that need to verifiable from independent sources as “evidence’ or “facts” and that call for review and scrutiny.The moment you accept that you would agree Every man is his own historian-as a general argument- that is rather quite leading and perhaps the issue of voracity will be lost if we consider the Man who is considered as his own historian as more closer to truth than others about himself -then you just stick to one subjective narration and that is bounded with self defense at every fact or event.This is important that people should be believed about themselves-and we autobiographies for that but these autobiographies are also debated on claims and counter claims-That is to me just “check and balance” to judge historically with time in more accurate and historical fashion the evnts that did take place and shaped someone’s life.Muhammad zamiluddin Khan

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By mdgr, December 11, 2010 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

Let’s talk a little history that Truthdig seems intent on ignoring.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/post_1394_b_795001.html

From Naomi Wolf of the Huffingon Tabloid. This is chilling, spooky, all too bloody real.

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http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/the_wikileaks_hacker_war_rages_on_20101209/#371417

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By Fat Freddy, December 11, 2010 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

There are several ways to look at history, especially with respect to economics. Changes in current economic theory can change the perceived causes and effects of past economic events. I’ve just started a book by Murray Rothbard entitled A History of Money and Banking in the United States: The Colonial Era to World War II The preface explains the difference between “cliometrics”, or positivistic “new economic history”, and “praxeology”. Rothbard uses the latter technique. The book is an economic history, not a “textbook” history of names, dates, and places.

http://mises.org/books/historyofmoney.pdf

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By mim, December 11, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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Not to mention the hash that Glenn Beck is
making of Roman history.

Who controls the past controls the future.  Who
controls the present controls the past.

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By Charles de Gaule, December 11, 2010 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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@mark phillips

You’re lazy and unhelpful.  If our comments are so ignorant, why don’t you enlighten us instead of just calling us names?

@Anarcissie, @Hammersmith

What I think is that the history taught to us as US citizens should be given from the perspective of preservation of the republic.  Yes, even if we were taught from actual facts (which we are not always, the article points out), there are many “takes” on history that can serve different agendas. 

Demonization of Hamilton is, in my view, one such anti-US interpretation.  Before asking what history teaches us, we need to relearn it from primary sources.  We don’t need “experts” to explain it all to us.  We probably can’t trust them anyway.  How about using and trusting ourselves, instead?

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By Anarcissie, December 10, 2010 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

Well, maybe he believes there is one true correct version of history, and has some idea how that version can be established.  It is a question the article leaves hanging.

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By Hammersmith, December 10, 2010 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

This article is amusing.  Think about what the author is saying, i.e., that these awful people are (re)writing their own version of history…which contradicts the author’s own version of history.  I truly believe the irony, the contradiction, has never occurred to him.

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By Anarcissie, December 10, 2010 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

So, does Kutler say there is an Ur-history, deviation from which must be some kind of deterioration or decadence?  If so, how do we know what it is?  It looks to me like Humpty Dumpty’s dictum would come into play, and history would be whatever unique thing the powerful said it was: “The question is which is to be master—that’s all.” 

But if we deny that power should determine truth, then, yes, every man must be own historian, and have not just his own opinions but his own facts.

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By Mr. Muhammad Zamiluddin Khan, December 10, 2010 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment
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In 1989 at ZFK Federal building in Boston in the Course offered by Dr.F.S.Miles of Northeastern University from the Political Science DepartmentI first argued that Asia lives on “Moral economy” and every social relation in Asia is not Monetized and Americans being careful of what’s happening in other parts of the World are a bit unmindful what’s going on their own neck of the woods.And I said “Sure” you have many friends ,professed or otherwise, for being the people from “plenty” and you prove that every year on Thanks Giving Day.Instead of stressing on what the Technocrat’s could fix with numbers with the Economy,the Social Discourse,it seems to em from afar in Dhaka,Bangladesh has moved to “Moral’ or I prefer “Ethical” Conduct of Society as Whole , be it at The Community or Group and at the bottom individual level.And this bottom,the Individual who as per “Universalist”[as Professor Richard Levins from Human Ecology Program, HSPH remarked] US “Constitution” is guaranteed with Freedom of many kinds.Do not they have freedom to go ashtray?Very old anarchist attitude,for lack of better word at hand, the truth is this Individual at the Bottom is also the “Consumer”,not all of them, but most of them and they need to have"purchasing power” as to make transactions at different points of US Economy to purchase and sell services and goods at home and overseas.And something is strangling the easy flow of real breathing of US Economy,The Credit and House Mortgage were at risk.In fact, the purchasing power of US Consumer was questioned by the Shadow of “Discipline Economy” before it is too late.The word"Crisis” has two meaning:“Danger or Opportunity” and i sad in 2008 when first it was reported that trillions of US Dollars have lousy Accounting System ,I said with patience and guidance from public resolve the Policy Setters in The US should rethink of how National Accounting is done.The is a long shot for anyone who holds public office.And that is normal.So patience is required and its a reflection of Moral.Do you in the US need Moral as well as Ethics in addtion to Number Counting.The Number is not significant,important perhaps.Think you would post your thoughts.Muhammad Zamiluddin Khan’92,HSPH, a. k. a. Zamil Khan,

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By mark phillips, December 10, 2010 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment
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So many words for so little knowledge among these comments!!!

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By prosefights, December 10, 2010 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

“History is always written wrong, and so always needs to be rewritten.”  Santayana, George

More liberal arts educated BS.

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http://www.prosefights.org/cs/w2kbelkin/w2kbelkin.htm

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By Mike789, December 10, 2010 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

Citing two phrases from which I see conjunction: G.Anderson, December 9 at 3:13 pm

[People usualy see what they need to see….. ]
            &
[As Marx pointed out a long time ago, infrastructure, determines superstructure. The mode of production, determines social consciousness.]

We no longer make the simple things that the “common man” can readily identify with. He is effectively cut off from his inherent nature to make things, by out-sourcing and service to abstract, pan-national concepts beyond his ken from (non-vantage) of the cloistered service-based office cubicles. Cut off from the collective knowledge base of his ancestors, he can no longer articulate a concerted “raison d’etre” in the ontological sense. Hence, the artificial pop culture superficiality quelling true aspiratins with soul-less, addictive, trendy plastic pacifiers that never satisfy deep desire. Be appraised that your increased productivity will go directly to the company’s bottom line.

Is there really an uncluttered vista remaining wherein a social consciousness may be resurrected? 

REDHORSE said it well: [Pop cultural “its me” values and the manufactured “celebrity” reality of our propagandist press severed the living connection with our Historical past. It’s a plastic reality that sees Soul and Consciousness as the enemy. There is no longer a transcendent vantage point available and no moral center to provide direction.]

Education? A college education these days is tantamount to indentured servitude.

“Let me shoulder you with 20 years of debt for your undivided attention and unquestioning contribution to our corporate brain trust.”

Extreme tuition rates are (note Britain), exacted in order sustain funding to university overseas study institutes and six figured tenured professor who never show up to actually teach.

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By David J. Cyr, December 10, 2010 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

QUOTE (of paint in many (D)evious shades of blue):

“a viable solution…
a concerted effort by a progressive Democratic Party Primary challenger, if that challenger should fail in his bid to unseat Obama, the country would still have the option of electing a less than desirable Democrat, instead of a completely undesirable Republican who won the election because of a divided Left/Center electorate splitting it’s votes between Democrats and a Third Party.”
____________

That’s the same “viable solution” with which the corporate party created the Clinton and Obama monsters. It’s the “solution” that the most devious of corporate party operatives disingenuously promote.

The “progressive” Democrats purvey a false history to persuade people to ignore the true history they possess in their own living memories.

Our living history provides positive proof that Democrats don’t do the good they could when they can… that getting more Democrats elected only provides greater Democrat betrayals the greater the number are that are fooled into trusting them.

Whole natural persons actually wanting some good to possibly result from elections would never ever vote for any corporate party candidate, whether they be an honest (R), or a dishonest (D).

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By Mr.Muhammad Zamiluddin Khan, December 10, 2010 at 9:42 am Link to this comment
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I do spoke a lot about the constitutional"Value” of Unites States of America without an iota of understanding what is going on with the constitutional politics in the US.I admit and Pardon Me.let us begin with Justice Thomas “still the Fundamental Law as the basis that hopefully continue to govern an essentially constitutional society and “Nationhood” America.As I argue with the force of Americanism to those who read my pen I should be very clear as to the meaning of “Constitutional Society”.It is constitutional because of Declaration of Independence that clearly declared that “People” have “unalienable Rights” to be exercised by them upon free will as granted by"God” and goes on to mention the purpose of “pursuing happiness and human bliss”. Quite simply the Declaration that keep the American Nation as Independent asked the “People” to ratify and Endorse the idea of being in possessions of “unalienable Rights” and those “Rights” are granted by God to them and to speak at home and abroad as"We the People…” and I add rest is being written by them.What everyone argues essentially be it “Federalist Papers” or “The Tea Party"s call of their building their country as they see fit and as they understand Americanism.Huntington in his less publicized book"Who are We?” answered that America is the “Settlers” nation and country.On the surface of it it sounds preposterous,but the deeper meani9ng of “Settler” really unsettled many minds for knowing that US Immigration Authority consider every Non-Immigrant Visa Applicant as “Presumptive Immigrant” out being true to the Tradition of Establishing the Union.Anyone who believe human beings have “unalienable rights” granted By no other than “God” could come and live in The USA and declare it as his/her country.Who put this constitutional spirit on US soil, no less than the “Pilgrims” in Plymouth and and their successors and on every Thanks Giving Day, Americans join themselves to express their gratitude to God for granting a “Country” known as USA.The Country Of United States of America is in practice deemed as “Unalienable Rights” granted by God and They invite others who came later and would be coming in future to think so and United They prosper and Divided they lose the House for not being a nation of Stealer s.Then Americans really argue not as to the validity of “Fundamental Law” and they protect that with the Supreme court and the Other Branches of Government,but they essentially argue what they have written to their Constitution as Annex,say,with achievements and failures both at home and overseas.This argument is healthy and the vibrant academic campuses in the US and the Vigilante Media uphold this treasure and the nation keep moving around One argument"ONE Nation under God” as they differ in races,color and sex and age.Muhamamd Zamiluddin Khan’92,HSPH,a.k.a. Zamil Khan

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By deang, December 10, 2010 at 2:17 am Link to this comment
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The problem of Americans thinking that facts are little different from opinions is a big one that has mostly arisen within the past thirty years - since 1980, if that gives you any hint of the sources of the problem (the rise of the irrational right wing in the US with Reagan’s ascendancy). Luckily, other countries, even the other Anglophone countries, still know that facts are real and that they always trump beliefs and opinions.

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By Psychobabbler, December 10, 2010 at 1:39 am Link to this comment

I am very impressed by peoples knowledge of history here and it has inspired me to learn more, but I am often offended by people who reference history to promote a P.O.V. in every instance for some reason.

Maybe the more things change the more they DO NOT stay the same.

Maybe more often than not history DOES NOT repeat itself.

Maybe every situation is unique according to it’s own set of circumstances.

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By Gulam, December 9, 2010 at 11:37 pm Link to this comment

The Union armies used the rhetoric of freedom as an excuse to defeat, occupy,
and dominate the South for generations. Then Americans turned the same
armies and the weapons and armaments industries that had grown during the
war against the tribes of the West. American armies took Arizona, New Mexico,
Utah, Nevada, California and part of Colorado from Mexico. They faked an
incident in Cuba, akin to the Tankin Gulf incident, and went after the remaining
colonies of Spain. They dropped more tons of bombs on Southeast Asian in the
1960s and 70s than in all of World War II, in order to keep those people free to
be puppets of the West. Today they claim that they are freeing Afghan women.
It is the same cynical use of “Enlightenment” nonsense about human freedom
to justify aggression as used by Napoleon.

The European and American exceptionalism that is expressed so blatantly and
crudely in the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq - this notion that the
European race has a divine mission to rule the world comes intellectually from
anti-religious Enlightenment intellectuals, some of whom founded the
pseudo-sciences of anthropology and sociology. It is not from surviving
religious traditions that modern ideas about race come. It was secular,
“scientific” intellectual circles who gave us the racism of Nazism and Zionism
that extoll specific races as special and more worthy of money and power. The
leading American anthropologist in Afghanistan for example was Louis Dupree,
and when he died a speech praising his long years of service to the CIA was
read into the Congressional Record. Nancy Dupree’s first husband was CIA
Chief of Station in Kabul. The complicity of American academia in the American
domination of Asia and Africa is a naked reality obvious to most leaders in the
unindustrialized world.

The end of the slave trade was not a victory for science and Enlightened
secularists. It was the last great moral victory led by the Church and especially
by Protestant Christianity. They defeated secular intellectuals and scientists,
who at that time were backing slavery with scientific explanations of race.
Slavery was after all the first real test, the first great success of modern
industrial and financial systems. It was the Atlantic slave trade as it was
practiced by the West that began the intentional using of humans as machines.
Those early business men and bankers made the conscious decision to use men
up in five years of debilitating toil, because it was cheaper to bring in new ones
than take care of them. Slavery was the way the great financial systems of the
modern European and American world took off, and Mr. Science was for most of
the 19th century talking about the superiority of the white race and explaining
the degeneration of the rest.

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By Gulam, December 9, 2010 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment

The Union armies used the rhetoric of freedom as an excuse to defeat, occupy,
and dominate the South for generations. Then Americans turned the same
armies and the weapons and armaments industries that had grown during the
war against the tribes of the West. American armies took Arizona, New Mexico,
Utah, Nevada, California and part of Colorado from Mexico. They faked an
incident in Cuba, akin to the Tankin Gulf incident, and went after the remaining
colonies of Spain. They dropped more tons of bombs on Southeast Asian in the
1960s and 70s than in all of World War II, in order to keep those people free to
be puppets of the West. Today they claim that they are freeing Afghan women.
It is the same cynical use of “Enlightenment” nonsense about human freedom
to justify aggression as used by Napoleon.

The European and American exceptionalism that is expressed so blatantly and
crudely in the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq - this notion that the
European race has a divine mission to rule the world comes intellectually from
anti-religious Enlightenment intellectuals, some of whom founded the
pseudo-sciences of anthropology and sociology. It is not from surviving
religious traditions that modern ideas about race come. It was secular,
“scientific” intellectual circles who gave us the racism of Nazism and Zionism
that extoll specific races as special and more worthy of money and power. The leading American anthropologist in Afghanistan for example was Louis Dupree, and when he died a speech praising his long years of service to the CIA was read into the Congressional Record. Nancy Dupree’s first husband was CIA Chief of Station in Kabul. The complicity of American academia in the American domination of Asia and Africa is a naked reality obvious to most leaders in the unindustrialized world.

The end of the slave trade was not a victory for science and Enlightened
secularists. It was the last great moral victory led by the Church and especially
by Protestant Christianity. They defeated secular intellectuals and scientists,
who at that time were backing slavery with scientific explanations of race.
Slavery was after all the first real test, the first great success of modern
industrial and financial systems. It was the Atlantic slave trade as it was
practiced by the West that began the intentional using of humans as machines.
Those early business men and bankers made the conscious decision to use men
up in five years of debilitating toil, because it was cheaper to bring in new ones
than take care of them. Slavery was the way the great financial systems of the
modern European and American world took off, and Mr. Science was for most of
the 19th century talking about the superiority of the white race and explaining
the degeneration of the rest.

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By JDmysticDJ, December 9, 2010 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Let me throw in my two cents. Excellent posts all; lacking only one thing, a viable solution.

Kutler rightly points out the fallacies of contemporary “conservative” thinkers, and the shortcomings of Hamilton’s royalist philosophy. What to do, go right, go left, go straight ahead, or stand and ponder the futility of going anywhere. Burr the traitor [?], had one thing over Hamilton the patriot [?], the divine guidance of his bullet.

Here’s my two cents, a concerted effort by a progressive Democratic Party Primary challenger, if that challenger should fail in his bid to unseat Obama, the country would still have the option of electing a less than desirable Democrat, instead of a completely undesirable Republican who won the election because of a divided Left/Center electorate splitting it’s votes between Democrats and a Third Party.

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By REDHORSE, December 9, 2010 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

Great posts!! TY each and all. A “vacant lot” protected by “Delta Force”. I don’t know if I should laugh or cry.

      Though other modern nations have difficult times they seem to have leveled the economic/social/cultural playing field in a manner that prevents the senseless human damage and chaotic disintegration of social systems “average” Americans now experience. The inability of our political leadership to address or even acknowledge the countless symptoms of our decline and implement sane economic/social programs to provide stability is psychopathic. Most journalist don’t have the correct frame of reference and the chasm between D.C. and “the People” is so great they don’t even share the same dialogue. The National shift in discussion from political to moral realities is the “tell”.

        Pop cultural “its me” values and the manufactured “celebrity” reality of our propagandist press severed the living connection with our Historical past. It’s a plastic reality that sees Soul and Consciousness as the enemy. There is no longer a transcendent vantage point available and no moral center to provide direction. I’ve been on run away horses a time or two. No matter what your opinion you’re bound to take the ride. The entire planet has crossed some line of mojo demarcation. I think we’ve defined the symptomology and the disease. What and where is the medicine?

        I enjoy you guys!! See ya.

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By gerard, December 9, 2010 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

Real life, real complicated international history is being enacted right this minute in the form of “Cablegate.” Millions of people are able to see behind the smoke screen of “foreign policies” into what is actually happening to the human race.
  Other millions not only do not want to learn, but want to persecute the revealers. As usual, a huge and powerful effort is being made to shape real history into what “authority” wishes the people to believe, even if it’s not true.
  This is another testing time in the crowded classrooms of Living History 101.  Here’s hoping we don’t flunk.

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By Paul_GA, December 9, 2010 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

Most history is “official” history—extolling the State and its glory and grandeur. Even if they sometimes get it wrong, thank Heaven for revisionists!

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By Charles de Gaule, December 9, 2010 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
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Yes, both grandstanding and silence are cooperation.  It is clear that, for the most part, both parties agree on what aspects of history to distort, which to over-emphasize, and which to ignore for the benefit of those who pay them. One party champions one set of distortions, the other, another.  But almost no politicians and no sources of mainstream news or “education” are interested in people knowing the truth.

Even Kutler somewhat distorts, in my view, the views of Hamilton, implying that Hamilton did not care about the rights of “the people”.  I don’t think Hamilton’s writings support that view, on a deeper level.  Perhaps Hamilton did not view “the masses” with much reverence, but he wished to build a nation with enough strength to a) protect its economy from foreign looting, b) issue its own credit, and be dependent on no outside entity to obtain credit, and c) provide for an economy that would prove jobs and an enduring manufacturing base for citizens of this country.  As such, I think its impossible to view him as some kind of neoclassicist - he is much closer to a dirigist - and this, much closer to being a true conservative of the nation (and the rights of its citizens) than any so-called “conservatives” of today.

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By G.Anderson, December 9, 2010 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

People usualy see what they need to see, unless of course, they have some sort of education or training.

But that’s just why we send people to college, so they can learn to think and reason beyond their own personal experience. To some extent that is the basis of science, that personal experience often is little more than a delusion.

As Marx pointed out a long time ago, infrastructure, determines superstructure. The mode of production, determines social consciousness.

Conservatives or wealthy plutocrats, have an ideology, that accomoplishes two things, it rationalizes their greed, and salves their conscience, if any. And since many conservatives, are wealthy it also entraps those that believe in the power of wealth as validation.

Liberals, are famous for guilt. And for creating, victims, that they exploit, while ignoring the root cause of social problems. They are like a vast social tit that needs constant nursing. They don’t seem to understand, how they enable the living hell out of many of society’s ills. Or why people don’t want to be helped, but rather to help themselves, so they don’t have to be anyones victim. Conservatives understand this, and exploit it.

The constant ideological barking, of progressives,and conservatives, only Demonstrates,  the failure of American politics, a hypocritical inabiliy to face new political realities, and new solutions. An attempt to live in the past.

There a catastrophe, in our land, and it’s here now.
And our politicians, and their plutocratic masters have caused it. If the plutocracy, wasn’t completely bankrupt, they might have been able fullfill their hearts greatest desire, to turn this country into a totalitarian state.

Instead all they will create is a vast wasteland. Guarded, by razer wire, homeland security, and an array of the most sophisticated snooping on their own people. But it’s like protecting a vacant lot with Delta Force.

I suspect it’s not really to protect the people, but to protect the plutocracy, from their enemies, i.e. the people and the rest of the world.

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By ardee, December 9, 2010 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

“History is nothing but a pack of tricks that we play upon the dead.” Voltaire

The big lie repeated often becomes as truth. There is no doubt that this is, in a nutshell,  the tactic of the right and has been at least since Reagan. The lack of direct and factual opposition to these myriad of lies leaves the field to them and thus we find a confused and misdirected electorate hearing only the one side.

I wonder which is the worst, those who preach the lies and distortions for personal and party gain or those who remain silent in the face of these continual misleading and misdirecting opinions as fact?

We have a Party, Democratic, and a President seemingly unwilling to stand up for truth, thus they, in my opinion, are complicit and cowardly. I offer that any support for, or vote for,these cowards is misplaced loyalty. Any expectation that reform of these self serving rascals or the Party itself is simply not possible at this time.

Most recognize the duplicity of the GOP, most see their loyalties lie, not with the people, but with the corporation. Yet there remain those who refuse to see with the same unbiased eye that the Democratic Party has refused its obligation to those who join them, vote for them and support them in any way. These supporters rail against the Republicans as if they were demons risen from Hades yet make endless excuses for the silence of the Donkeys.

As we do not have two distinct parties in this nation any longer, only a Duopoly seeking corporate cash above all else I suggest that everyone think honestly and at length about the need for a third party presence, one pledged to refuse corporate cash and strings. Short of violent revolution, which I reject vehemently, I see no other way to salvage our democracy and turn it back to its real duty, supporting and protecting the American worker, family and even American businesses.

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By M. Bouffant, December 9, 2010 at 4:59 am Link to this comment
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Please note that it’s the sesquicentennnial (150th
anniversary) of the War of Northern Aggression, not the bicentennial. Are you trying to make historians look bad, or do you just want to give ammunition to people like Dick Armey?

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