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Posted on Mar 8, 2010
AP / Ben Margot

Student Natalia Garcia protests last week on the campus of the University of California at Berkeley during a day of nationwide demonstrations against cuts in education funding.

By Chris Hedges

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The French moral philosopher Albert Camus argued that we are separated from each other. Our lives are meaningless. We cannot influence fate. We will all die and our individual being will be obliterated. And yet Camus wrote that “one of the only coherent philosophical positions is revolt. It is a constant confrontation between man and his obscurity. It is not aspiration, for it is devoid of hope. That revolt is the certainty of a crushing fate, without the resignation that ought to accompany it.”

“A living man can be enslaved and reduced to the historic condition of an object,” Camus warned. “But if he dies in refusing to be enslaved, he reaffirms the existence of another kind of human nature which refuses to be classified as an object.”

The rebel, for Camus, stands with the oppressed—the unemployed workers being thrust into impoverishment and misery by the corporate state, the Palestinians in Gaza, the civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, the disappeared who are held in our global black sites, the poor in our inner cities and depressed rural communities, immigrants and those locked away in our prison system. And to stand with them does not mean to collaborate with parties, such as the Democrats, who can mouth the words of justice while carrying out acts of oppression. It means open and direct defiance.

The power structure and its liberal apologists dismiss the rebel as impractical and see the rebel’s outsider stance as counterproductive. They condemn the rebel for expressing anger at injustice. The elites and their apologists call for calm and patience. They use the hypocritical language of spirituality, compromise, generosity and compassion to argue that the only alternative is to accept and work with the systems of power. The rebel, however, is beholden to a moral commitment that makes it impossible to stand with the power elite. The rebel refuses to be bought off with foundation grants, invitations to the White House, television appearances, book contracts, academic appointments or empty rhetoric. The rebel is not concerned with self-promotion or public opinion. The rebel knows that, as Augustine wrote, hope has two beautiful daughters, anger and courage—anger at the way things are and the courage to see that they do not remain the way they are. The rebel is aware that virtue is not rewarded. The act of rebellion defines itself.

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“You do not become a ‘dissident’ just because you decide one day to take up this most unusual career,” Vaclav Havel said when he battled the communist regime in Czechoslovakia. “You are thrown into it by your personal sense of responsibility, combined with a complex set of external circumstances. You are cast out of the existing structures and placed in a position of conflict with them. It begins as an attempt to do your work well, and ends with being branded an enemy of society. ... The dissident does not operate in the realm of genuine power at all. He is not seeking power. He has no desire for office and does not gather votes. He does not attempt to charm the public. He offers nothing and promises nothing. He can offer, if anything, only his own skin—and he offers it solely because he has no other way of affirming the truth he stands for. His actions simply articulate his dignity as a citizen, regardless of the cost.”

Those in power have disarmed the liberal class. They do not argue that the current system is just or good, because they cannot, but they have convinced liberals that there is no alternative. But we are not slaves. We have a choice. We can refuse to be either a victim or an executioner. We have the moral capacity to say no, to refuse to cooperate. Any boycott or demonstration, any occupation or sit-in, any strike, any act of obstruction or sabotage, any refusal to pay taxes, any fast, any popular movement and any act of civil disobedience ignites the soul of the rebel and exposes the dead hand of authority. “There is beauty and there are the humiliated,” Camus wrote. “Whatever difficulties the enterprise may present, I should like never to be unfaithful either to the second or the first.” 

“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop,” Mario Savio said in 1964. “And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.”

The capacity to exercise moral autonomy, the capacity to refuse to cooperate, offers us the only route left to personal freedom and a life with meaning. Rebellion is its own justification. Those of us who come out of the religious left have no quarrel with Camus. Camus is right about the absurdity of existence, right about finding worth in the act of rebellion rather than some bizarre dream of an afterlife or Sunday School fantasy that God rewards the just and the good. “Oh my soul,” the ancient Greek poet Pindar wrote, “do not aspire to immortal life, but exhaust the limits of the possible.” We differ with Camus only in that we have faith that rebellion is not ultimately meaningless. Rebellion allows us to be free and independent human beings, but rebellion also chips away, however imperceptibly, at the edifice of the oppressor and sustains the dim flames of hope and love. And in moments of profound human despair these flames are never insignificant. They keep alive the capacity to be human. We must become, as Camus said, so absolutely free that “existence is an act of rebellion.” Those who do not rebel in our age of totalitarian capitalism and who convince themselves that there is no alternative to collaboration are complicit in their own enslavement. They commit spiritual and moral suicide.


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By ofersince72, May 29, 2010 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

C R I S   H E D G E S           80—13 Senate
                        356—65 House of Rep
Y O U   C A L L E D   U S       $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
                          A Big Waste of $$$$
W E   S H O W E D   U P         and lives !!!!!!

we all don’t have the mobility , but we do have
economic boycott power,
give us some leadership
get a massive,  massive,  economic boycott going
tell Scheer that you are going to break your contract
unless he and Robinson support you on this 110%

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By Sachi Nifash, May 27, 2010 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

Hey, maybe it’s about time we demand a psyche profile from these people we vote into office? 
Before they take the oath, they need to deliver a clean bill of mental health, wouldn’t that be funny….seeing who changed their minds at the
last minute.

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By Sachi Nifash, May 27, 2010 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

What sickens me is seeing how those captured by the conservative zombies—start ‘boxing” people, especially those who violate their fanatical, almost religious zealot-esque response to having a quiet intelligent conversation.  HOLY SHIT. ...spews an almost cultlike attack in defense, like devotees of their false idols, Palin, Bush,  ‘Rush’, Hannity with the Fox News slogan of the week.  IT’s sick, like Nazi/Hitler deal, with labels to slap on peoples backs, thrown into a big box defining ‘intellectual, lefty, liberal, homo, ‘foreigner’ brownie, etc.,  It actually, in thinking about it,  reminds me more and more of Violent Islamic Jihadists, with the same energy (I’m a greenie,lefty artist tree hugger—I can say, energy), response in rage for violation of territorial rules and regulations of their religion—(“you violate the slogans of our leaders, you are the enemy, you must die, non-believer”!), like the talk-show-host has a direct line to almighty power. So stay clear of the door to our gas chamber—-TRAITOR!! “.  Creepy. Maybe Cheney really is responsible for the Gulf spill, we’ll never really know.  But there’s always that crack pot wacko “thing”,  of the guy who wants to rule the world, with just a TAD TOO MUCH POWER, whose pissed when he knows his life is about to end—-and wants the rest of the world to end with him—

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By Night-Gaunt, April 15, 2010 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

How articulate and illuminating Tennessee-Communist, I must say!

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 8, 2010 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

F*CK WASHINGTON AND F*CK JEFFERSON FOR BEING FASCIST KILLERS !!!

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By Night-Gaunt, April 7, 2010 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

Didn’t Lenin set up the Chekist secret police and use them for subversion and terror? His hands are hardly clean now is he? After the second assassination attempt Stalin convinced him that only state terror would do.

“Earlier, in October, Lev Kamenev and cohort, had warned the Party that terrorist rule was inevitable, given Lenin’s assumption of sole command.[55] In late 1918, when he and Nikolai Bukharin tried curbing Chekist excesses, Lenin over-ruled them; in 1921, via the Politburo, he expanded the Cheka’s discretionary death-penalty powers.”[56][57]

Even Jefferson & Washington didn’t do anything equivalent to that. True slavery of blacks and of anyone not of their political station or gender were equal to them were continued. Also the indigenous tribes too were considered just “red savages” and treated as such is true and must be recalled. “1,000 Lenins were better” is quite a stretch to make considering how the workers traded one absolute dictator for another in Russia which was against Marx. So in that way it was still better here in Revolutionary America than in Revolutionary Russia but only by degrees. Things got somewhat better here over the years, things got worse in Russia. Though now things are getting worse here as the crypto-fascists tighten their grip further on us now.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 7, 2010 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72: oh by the way, you and others here are not socialists. You are a liberal. Liberalism is not socialism.  Liberalism is evil because liberalism is capitalism with a human face. We don’t need more capitalism not even with a human face. What we need is socialism, a workers-dictatorship.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 7, 2010 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

GIVE ME 1000 VLADIMIR LENINS OVER 1 JEFFERSON. JEFFERSON KILLED 100 MILLION INDIANS !!

Night-Gaunt: you are the one who supports dictatorships.  The USA is an oligarchic-dictatorship so was Russian Czarism.  You are so wrong about Lenin.  First of all Lenin was the negation of a dictator.  Obama and all US presidents are the real fascist dictators and real killers. 

Compared with all US presidents Lenin would be a saint, a deffender of the little guy and the poors just like Jesus of Nazareth.

So how the hell can you call Lenin a dictator when he gave economic and political power to the poor Russians. 

Besides it is true that the Russian revolution had blood adn deaths, because all real changes have blood, and deaths.  The French, the American, the Cuban and the Haitian revolutions were not peaceful but violent and bloody because revolutions are real wars, real batttles. so if you are scared of battles with real weapons and guns you can’t be a real socialist-revolutionary.

But at least Lenin wasn’t a mass-murderer like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington who ordered the genocide of millions of American Indians.

So give me 1000 Lenins who was a saint, over 1 Thomas Jefferson and 1 George Washington (Real killers)

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By ofersince72, April 6, 2010 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

Night Gaunt,

I have come to the conclusion that he just might work
for FOX news service and is just trying to give
socialism a bad name.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 6, 2010 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

Tennesse-Socialist you do know that Lenin didn’t follow Marx & Engels and was a Communist dictator like Stalin didn’t you?

Lenin couldn’t understand how you couldn’t have a revolution without firing squads. Not the kind of fellow I would want to use. It would be like using Himmler or Stalin, not good role models. Like I said you should be Tennesse-Communist.

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By Anarcissie, April 6, 2010 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

If you read carefully, I think you’ll notice that Hedges doesn’t actually advocate doing anything specific.

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By Laurence Schechtman, April 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment
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“If you strike the king you must kill him.”  One of the oldest political proverbs.

By his inchoate and individualistic philosophy of “rebellion” Mr Hedges is telling
us to strike and to fail.  No, Mr. Hedges, if you want to strike successfully, it can
not be as an individual esthetic gesture designed to prove the incorruptibility of
your existential soul.  You have to strike together with tens of millions of
others.

And to do that, a philosophy of rebellion will not suffice.  The tens of millions
have to be UNITED by a common vision of the future, or they won’t act
together.  Are you willing to work underground with the obscure masses until
they can become united in thought and deed.  In the meantime, no gestures
please.  The goal is to be unnoticed by the power structure, or to be thought
harmless until the time is right.

Rebellion is not revolution, Mr. Hedges; and only revolution can eliminate
oppression.  The real courage is to be disciplined, and to organize people towards a new way of life.

If the oppression you speak of were as bad now as you say it is, you would
have to know that, or you would be dead or imprisoned, as would have
happened under Hitler or Stalin.  So please, the very level of your oppositional
histrionics demonstrates its falsity.

Let us look for a moment at the real life “rebellion” of Vaclav Havel, whom you
quote.  Mr. Havel was admirably brave.  But his rebellion without a social vision
transferred his country directly from Communist totalitarianism into the
Capitalist version.  If we are going to someday transcend the monotonous cycle
of repression, we will need something more hopeful than existential despair
and rebellion.  It is the stance of those who have not yet learned how to
organize.  But there is still time for many of us to educate ourselves.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 23, 2010 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

OBAMACARE TO BE ENFORCED BY FASCIST ARMED THUGS

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamacare-to-be-enforced-by-armed-thugs.html

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, March 23, 2010

If the health care bill was such a positive act of reform, as establishment Democrats and the corporate media are pitching it, then how come it needs to be enforced by means of coercion at the hands of thousands of armed IRS thugs?

That was the context of the discussion during Ron Paul’s appearance on Fox Business’ America’s Nightly Scoreboard last night, as the Congressman continued to speak out against the tyrannical nature of Obamacare.

Paul emphasized the need to protect the private option in health care as a fundamental right for all Americans not to be reliant on the government for their services.

“During this debate they talked a whole lot about the public option, I just wish they would protect the private option, give us a chance to have it private, just like you should have a chance to have private education, home schooling, you should always protect that….if you always had a private option in medicine some of us could survive and at least we could set an example for the type of medicine that the people should be getting,” said the Congressman.

Host David Asman pointed out that it would now be illegal to have private health care and that people would be forced to buy insurance under the constant glare of the 16,000 plus new IRS agents being hired to harass people into compliance to the new program.

Under Obamacare, $10 billion dollars is allocated to pay for 16,500 IRS agents who will collect and enforce mandatory “premiums.”

Paul said that the people who previously needed to carry the least insurance would now be forced to carry the maximum, and be hounded by the IRS as a result.

“This is a command society now and medicine is right at the forefront of this….16,500 armed bureaucrats coming to make this program work – if it was a good program and everybody liked it, you wouldn’t need 16,500 thugs coming with their guns and putting you in jail if you didn’t follow all the rules,” said Paul.

The Congressman highlighted the fact that people don’t trust the government’s record on social programs, pointing out that Medicare, Medicaid and the Post Office are all bankrupt, and that the majority of Americans have little confidence in Obamacare being any different.

Paul said there was a chance parts of the bill would be overturned if Republicans were victorious in November, but that the biggest threat to the legislation was the probability that the entire system would collapse, labeling Obamacare a “Horrendous new burden that we have placed on the economy.”


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By Anarcissie, March 23, 2010 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

It’s pretty easy to post hot words on the Internet calling for vague terrific actions by somebody else sometime.  Hence the wide popularity of the practice.

Hedges did go to the trouble of looking up Camus, Pindar and Aristotle before casting his thoughts into the “sewer” here.  Definitely an improvement over Lanier.  We sewer rats should be grateful.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 22, 2010 at 10:20 pm Link to this comment

offersince: pessimism and ultra-skepticism is anti-change.  We need a change.  This article written by Chris Hedges is about calling rebels, rebellious people for a change, not calling the pacifists and the people who believe that change will come real easy without putting a fight and a struggle.  Nothing good in this world is easy

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By Inherit The Wind, March 22, 2010 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

ardee, March 21 at 8:07 pm #

Inherit The Wind, March 21 at 12:54 pm

(and to Ardee and the Mystic, I’m the definitive heretic!)

No, not at all, what you are is a perpetual scold and someone who cannot stand it when others do not fall at your feet in obeisance to your own political viewpoint. Oh, and an overwhelming egoist as well.
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Hey! I NEVER expect anyone to acceed to my political viewpoint, only to be plausibly able to defend their own.

As for a being a perpetual scold and overwhelming egoist, I say…I’m not overwhelming.

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By ofersince72, March 21, 2010 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

A Q U A R I U S,

            When will be your now?

    You see your past and future in the eternal flowing
        river,  in its backwater swirling pools.
         
              W A T E R !

      Always on its way somewhere, like time.

              W A T E R !

        The never—wedded past and future,
      Aquarius,  you see your past and future
            in the tidal marsh.

          All your nows are dry.

  You see your past and future on the wet sand vacated
        by the ebing tide, and die a little
    at each ebb,  for in the deeps of your wet spirit
          you have this fear—
        that it may keep on ebbing.

      You are reborn,, Aquarius, at each flood.
Your being is reaffirmed,  And in the deeps of your
      wet spirit, you have this hope that it may
        keep right on looking,  and
          engulf you in its eternal, wet
                now
                            D.C. Rowell

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By ofersince72, March 21, 2010 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

FOX NEWS NETWORK ...spends millions and millions
              and all of its time attempting to
              delegitimise socialism to the general
              public…and is doing a fair job.

    YOU…..  also,  on mainstream internet are
            attempting to make socialism look as
            rediculous as you posibly can…
\  which leads me to wonder

WHO ARE YOU ??????????????????????????

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By ofersince72, March 21, 2010 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment

You are advocation here on mainstream internet something
you don’t even have plan for…..for anyone who believes
in militancy to overthrow our government would have to
be very secretive in organizing, and screening.
A call to arms the way you seem to be suggesting is nieve
, unrealistic, and nonsense.

So you are being nonsensical for a reason and that is
what has me puzzeled about your motives !!!!!!!!!!

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By Sodium, March 21, 2010 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment
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For Anarcissie:

Anar,

This is going to be the last post you are going to receive from me on the topic at hand,since I will be busy for the next six weeks taking my wife to a “Pain Management Clinic”,every day. But before I say good-bye,I wish to make the following comments:

* I truly regret the fact that we could not reach a degree of accommodation between your views and mine concerning Chris Hedges’ writings.

* As you well know that the Third World is much more than the dictatorship of China and Myanmar(formerly Burma). The Internet dictatorship in those two countries were not even in my mind as I typed my last post,addressed to you.

* What I have in mind is what is happening to the young youths of the poorest countries in the Third World,where a large number of its populations live on less than two dollars a day,and yet many of its better to-do-young-youths are like to imitate the worst aspects of our cultures,like enjoying addiction to consumerism,taking drugs,watching pornography pornography,unresponsible sex,superfast getting rich,like what is going on on our Wall Street,and above all,the indifference to what’s happenning to the less forunate of their follow citizens who do live on less than two dollars a day. The Internet has acted as a catalist to speed-up the acts of empty emulation. What I have read in different foreign press and seen in the foreign media is really troubling. It seems to me the whole social fabrics of these societies is being altered for the worst,especially in the crimes rates.

That is about it,Anar. Take care and thank you for the exchanges. I have enjoyed. I hope you did too.

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By ofersince72, March 21, 2010 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

Those were those times, and these are these times.
In those times you could get within pitch fork range.

They didn’t have wiretaps, CIA infiltration,
and the public was more educated..
Any reactionary movement in this country will be from the
right, and due to the economic situation, it is probably
coming….
There are only a handful of Americans that even know what
socialism is….who is going to lead your charge???

I am with you in that this country needs a revolution
of ideas and a complete change in government, and that
widespread protest is the only way that this is going to
come about.
We can’t even get war criminals to trial here and funding
or media support for any type of protest for social change
You need both ...funding and media support..
the protest will come soon…..we are just one crisis
away….maybe gasoline will be it….food prices are going
to sky rocket soon or govt checks are going to stop…
one of them or a combination is inevitable very soon
that is when you will see ..numbers in the streets
right now americans are still to apethetic and comfortable
to see the writing on the wall.

Tennessee Socialist….I do admire you,  I am not
critisizing you…  I am hoping the public will become
aware and this will be a peaceful transition.
I agree with you in that ,our election sytem will not
allow one bit of social or progressive change at this time
They have our elections sewed up.  Any one who believes
that we can now vote our way out of this mess is just
kidding them selves.!!!!!!!

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment

DEAR FRIENDS WHO REJECT VIOLENCE: READ THIS INTERVIEW BETWEEN THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE AND KARL MARX WHERE HE SAID THAT REAL CHANGES HAVE BLOOD, ASSASINATIONS AND VIOLENCE

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/bio/media/marx/79_01_05.htm

CHICAGO TRIBUNE: Well, then, to carry out the principles of socialism do its believers advocate assassination and bloodshed?

KARL MARX: No great movement, has ever been inaugurated Without Bloodshed.  The independence of America was won by bloodshed, Napoleon captured France through a bloody process, and he was overthrown by the same means. Italy, England, Germany, and every other country gives proof of this, and as for assassination, it is not a new thing, I need scarcely say. Orsini tried to kill Napoleon; kings have killed more than anybody else; the Jesuits have killed; the Puritans killed at the time of Cromwell. These deeds were all done or attempted before socialism was born. Every attempt, however, now made upon a royal or state individual is attributed to socialism. The socialists would regret very much the death of the German Emperor at the present time. He is very useful where he is; and Bismarck has done more for the cause than any other statesman, by driving things to extremes.

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By Anarcissie, March 21, 2010 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

Sodium, March 21 at 5:48 pm:
‘Anar,
Your above Re has not produced a single evidence to back-up your negative accusations you have claimed against the content of Hedges’ column about the Internet. All what you have done is quoting Hedges and negating it by saying it is false. ...’

Yes, I think the statements I listed are patently false.  That is, their falsity is obvious to direct observation.  If you think they’re valid, I think we’re living in different universes.

However, in case we’re not, you might try the exercise of trying to prove to yourself that any of them are true.  It is usually the positive assertion that carries the burden of proof.  You might have to set his random mudslinging in order, though, if you’re going to try to assemble evidence for it.  As it stands, saying something like “the Internet is a sewer” doesn’t mean anything specific; it’s just a piece of ugly verbal abuse directed at millions of people, including you and me and Hedges himself. 

My understanding of the effect of the Internet on the Third World is that it’s profoundly disturbing to dictatorships, so they’re doing their best to limit or suppress it, China and Myanmar being recent examples.  Logically, Hedges should approve of their efforts, but I won’t accuse him of logic.

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By ardee, March 21, 2010 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, March 21 at 12:54 pm

(and to Ardee and the Mystic, I’m the definitive heretic!)

No, not at all, what you are is a perpetual scold and someone who cannot stand it when others do not fall at your feet in obeisance to your own political viewpoint. Oh, and an overwhelming egoist as well.

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By Sodium, March 21, 2010 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment
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Re: Anarcissie,March 19 at 6:55 pm.

Anar,

Your above Re has not produced a single evidence to back-up your negative accusations you have claimed against the content of Hedges’ column about the Internet. All what you have done is quoting Hedges and negating it by saying it is false. If you present such indictment of Hedges’views of the Internet to a court of law,most likely,the court will reject it and dismiss it on the ground that you have no SOLID EVIDENCE. And Hedges has equel right to yours in expressing his opinion about the Internet. He says it has become like a sewer and you say,no it is not. He says the Internet has been highjacked by the big players,the corporations,(with which I totally agree with Hedges)and you say,no,it has not,or at least not yet.

In my attempts to somehow find a way to accomodate your claims,I have reviewed his Internet column entitled “The Information Super-Sewer”. The more I dig in the content of the column,taking into consideration what is negatively happenning in the social behavior in the Third World countries because of the Internet,the more I realize that Hedges is not only correct in his assessment but also ahead of his time by at least 20 years,as he was ahead of his time on other issues. Samples:

(1) About the Fanatical Christian right: read his book “American Fascists”.

(2) About Gaza: Review his column,“Starving Gaza” in TD archives.

(3) About the war in Iraq: Review his column,entitled,“Beyond Disaster” in TD archives.

Although he was so correct about the economy as he wrote about it in more than one column,way ahead of his time as the average American started to feel the punch in 2008,during George W. Bush Administration,I have to review a large number of his past columns to be able to provide you with specifics. But,I think from this outline you,most likely,will get what I am trying to convey to you here.

You are correct when you stated that any user of the Internet can take the provider to court. The problem is in the way the law has been set for the sole purpose of legally protecting the provider against the user/consumer,like you and me. Therefore,I have to suggest once more to check (Google it) the following law passed by the U.S.Senate in 1996:

“Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act”.

And then check the following court rulings passed by different courts,including some courts of appeal(Circuit Courts)in the U.S.A:

~ Carafano v. Ketrosplash.com.

~ Green v. AOL.

And of course,it is up to you to further explore more cases to see for yourself what chance a consumer/user of the Internet,like you or me,has in getting a court ruling in the user favor. It is really none existence-a pipe dream,a mirage.

Your grade on this particular issue remains Incomplete “I”.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 21, 2010 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist, March 21 at 3:04 pm #

Inherit The Wind said:

“Next you’ll be advocating firing squads for anyone who ever said anything positive about Ayn Rand’s works.”

I told you im christian
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That means you prefer hangings, holy crusades, and burning people at the stake?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 21, 2010 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind said:

“Next you’ll be advocating firing squads for anyone who ever said anything positive about Ayn Rand’s works.”

I told you im christian

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ardee, March 21 at 8:42 am #

Tennessee-Socialist

While I do not support much of what you post, and believe you need more study and deliberation in your political views, I urge you to ignore the pomposity and self involved arrogance of ITW and do not let it keep you from political evolution.
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That’s right T-S.  If you see a post from me, you are justified in shutting off your brain, your rational capabilities, and ignoring facts and logic that may contradict your preconceived notions and “scientific” socialist analysis.

Remember: A TRUE believer never listens to alternative views because they are only formulated by HERETICS!

(and to Ardee and the Mystic, I’m the definitive heretic!)

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All you can do is prepare.  The State will not save us, it will be on you to save you and yours.  Depending on where you live in the US, it will be much easier for some than it will be for others.  If you haven’t gotten started I’d suggest you get to work.

Tick-tock goes the clock.

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By elisalouisa, March 21, 2010 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

I wholeheartedly agree with you Anarcissie and Ardee.

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By Anarcissie, March 21, 2010 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

ardee, March 21 at 8:42 am:

’ ... do not let it keep you from political evolution.’

Above all.  And he should try to keep that caps key unstuck.

But it’s nice that he’s found a friend.

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By ardee, March 21, 2010 at 5:42 am Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist

While I do not support much of what you post, and believe you need more study and deliberation in your political views, I urge you to ignore the pomposity and self involved arrogance of ITW and do not let it keep you from political evolution.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 20, 2010 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee – Socialist

I have the utmost respect for your motives. Personally, I would like to see the fortune 500 companies run democratically by rank and file employees, but I wouldn’t advocate that as being a rational goal to pursue. I believe doing so, would raise the specter of civil war, and that the consequences and outcome of that civil war would be far, far from desirable.

Perhaps your less extreme nationalization, and gradual change, would be achievable without civil war, but I have serious doubts as to the prospects of avoiding civil war under those circumstances. However, one can only speculate, perhaps social change would gain enough support to make your proposal acceptable, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility, and it’s possible that gradual change would make the possibilities more evident.

Again, one can only speculate, and in all reality, at the present time, it is only pipe dreaming. I’m more concerned with immediate, urgent, necessities.

Incidentally, having some experience with Inherit The Wind, I’ll point out that he is extremely abrasive, and seems unable to post without being insulting.

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Tennessee-Socialist, March 20 at 12:52 am #

JDmysticDJ: my friend, i am not really smart, i am newbie, in socialist ideology. Well i have like around 10 years, but i havent read a whole lot about it. The internet alternative progressive websites was what introduced me to the ideology of socialism.  I am a christian, and i believe that capitalism, and specially Monopoly-Capitalist Military Imperialism (The present stage of US capitalism) is totally opposite to christianity, thats why I like socialism, and also because according to Marx, Engels and other socialist thinkers, the socialist system will evolve out of the belly and collapse of capitalism.
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It shows that you are a newbie.  You are about as far along as I was at age 14 when I read the Manifesto and thought it was awesomely cool and, like all genius, obvious once it was shown to you.  I was 14, it was the summer of 1969, and all HELL had broken out the previous summer and even more was to come before year’s end.

I’ve read Marx and I’ve read Rand and, unlike you, I can give chapter and verse on both—and what is fundamentally flawed in both, and what is fundamentally correct.

You have all the passion and intolerance and tunnel vision of a new convert who spouts dogma without actually knowing what any of it means, or what will come of it.  You sound like a Socialist Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.  Next you’ll be advocating firing squads for anyone who ever said anything positive about Ayn Rand’s works.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 20, 2010 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ: hi, thanks a lot for your response.  Well to explain it in few words.  From a scientific understand of Imperialist Ultra-Right wing governments like the US government is right now, i believe that the USA needs a path toward socialism by stages (A stagist Theory of change).  In other words, the USA first needs a social-democrat system in power for some years so that in the first stage it could defeat the Ultra-Right wing 1% US Oligarchic-Imperialist class, and in the Stage # 2 and # 3, it could defeat and overthrow from power the nationalist-bourgeoise sectors by expropiating and nationalizing their assets and businesses.

This change in USA done by stages would require about 10 years or more for change.  Something like what Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela from 1998 until today 2010, in which he began as a welfare-capitalist, and then changed to social-democrat and now he is trying to radicalize the Venezuelan state toward Socialism for the XXI Century (However Venezuela is still a state-capitalist nation, because of the fact that Socialism doesn’t work in 1 country.  For socialism to work, the whole world has to be socialist)

And even Cuba and North Korea are capitalist states.  Because for a country to be socialist, all businesses have to be owned by workers, and the workers have to be the rulers of the country.  And in Cuba and in North Korea the Cuban workers and the North Korean workers are neither the rulers, nor the owners of corporations and businesses there

So i agree with you, that we could benefit in USA with a welfare-state-capitalist system in America where about 50 or 100 Giant Corporations could be owned by the US government, while the rest of US businesses would remain like they are now (privately owned).  This social-democrat economic system would not be radical change in USA, and would be welcome by the majority of american citizens once they learn the benefits of it: cheaper food, cheaper electricity, cheaper cable-tv, cheaper internet services, cheaper medical services. Which would lead to higher living standards, and more money in the pockets of US citizens.

This would really be a Trickle Down Economic system, because if u think about it, if electricity, phone, housing and apartments, food and most basic monthly needs of americans would be owned by the government they would cost a lot less, and by paying less, americans would be left with more spare dollars in their pockets, more wealth, and more spare wealth, means higher living standards, and higher living standards means more personal-liberty

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By JDmysticDJ, March 20, 2010 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee – Socialist

Thanks for the restrained response to my post to you. You have clarified your position, and I find that we are not far apart in what we believe, though I feel that you have overstated current realities somewhat. We are in total agreement about the atrocities committed by our government and your comment that the entire world is currently under the yoke of U.S. based Capitalism.

I have been an advocate of socialist principles for over 40 years now, but I’m not an expert on Marx or Engels, nor do I feel that it’s necessary to have an understanding of the esoteric dialectics of past socialist philosophers in order to believe in, and have an appreciation for socialist principles. I find the intellectual discussions of the history of Marxist or Socialist theory to be, boring, counter productive, irrelevant, and reactionary. What’s important to me is the superiority of socialist principles of social justice as opposed to the failed theories of Capitalists.

I would define myself as being a believer in social democracy. Socialism will provide the social justice, while democracy will be the vehicle for avoiding totalitarianism. The idea that Capitalism can be banned or that those believers in Capitalist theory can be eliminated without resort to totalitarian tactics is not at all rational. I believe Capitalism must be regulated and controlled within the framework of democracy.

I don’t want to understate my opposition to Capitalism. I believe that Capitalism has been responsible for a massive, but an unquantifiable amount of injustice, human suffering, atrocities, and death. In your post you mentioned Capitalism’s affect on children, which many may consider to be an appeal to emotionalism, but I consider it to be a simple matter of truth, which elicits varying degrees of response from me, from being extremely angry to profoundly saddened. I firmly believe that “over throwing” Capitalism is a goal that must be accomplished, as daunting as that task may be. Therefore, choosing the most expeditious method of “over throwing” Capitalism is of the utmost importance.

Lacking the necessary surface to air missiles, and anti-tank weapons, and recognizing that violence only begets more violence, along with a conviction that killing rarely leads to positive solutions to problems, I’m in total agreement with your strategy of “Massive nonviolent non-cooperation,” and “Spiritual and political Revolution,” but I believe that political realities dictate that this “Revolution” must be accomplished within the confines of our democracy.

Clearly, Corporatists currently have a controlling interest in our democracy. Corporatists not only control our government institutions, but also the dissemination of propaganda. Achieving this “Spiritual and political Revolution,” will be difficult, but, I believe, not impossible. As an example, I’ll point to the recent vote in the House of Representatives to end funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. According to my rough calculation, about 25% to 30% of Democratic Representatives voted in favor of that legislation, while I’ll suppose that the number of Republicans voting for that legislation was negligible. Obviously the number of progressive Democrats and those who support the policies of Progressive Democrats must be increased. I believe that your suggestion for, “Massive nonviolent non-cooperation,” is the only practical method where-in combating corporate propaganda can be successful. Truth is powerful, and bringing issues to the forefront of political debate will lead to an increase in numbers of the electorate, who will vote for progressive politicians.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 20, 2010 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee – Socialist (cont.)

I’m well aware that what I advocate will not seem expeditious to many, but I’m not aware of a more expeditious alternative. I’m very open to a more expeditious solution, as long as it does not aggravate, rather than improve current conditions.

Seeing a small child hysterically crying, while she stands in the rubble of her former home, and realizing that this is just one of many, many incidents, causes me to be conflicted about the best method for ending this madness, but I see no other rational method to ending it. I want this madness to end NOW! But, again, I can see no other option, other than what I have suggested. One can become cynical and believe that there is no viable solution, but being cynical will not end the madness, it will only discourage efforts to end it.

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By ofersince72, March 20, 2010 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

I sure agree with ur last post Tennessee but how do we
get there with elections???
The Corporate State has our election system sewed up.
They own the media.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 20, 2010 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

THE ONLY SOLUTION I SEE FOR USA IS TO DESTROY THE SPIRIT OF AYN RAND WHICH IS INGRAINED IN THE SUBCONSCIENCE OF THE US GOVERNMENT AND IN ALL AMERICANS WITH LEFTIST, STATIST, ANTI-LIBERTARIANISM PROPAGANDA !!


My personal view from all the reading i have done about the nature of the state, is that you can’t have public free for all health care as long as the US government, US constitution is libertarian by default, and with the 2 main parties libertarian anti-nationalization ideology.

If you want at least free health care, and other things, we have to elect to power a social-democrat party, or a socialist party, and once in power to change US government, from a libertarian US constitution and government into a pro-nationalizations government.  We need nationalization of Wal mart, Burger King, Exxon and most giant corporations in America.

There won’t be any rise in living-standards for about 250 million americans as long as the US government remains zionist, imperialist and pro-Ayn Rand’s anti-nationalization of corporations ideology (Hillary Clinton is a hardcore libertarian, she hates Hugo Chavez’s nationalizations of private-businesses and labels them as “dictatorship”.  Joe Biden is also a pro-Ayn Rand libertarian)

You have to understand that the US government is a libertarian-government.  The only way that I think that americans can get good public health care system, a better economy for workers, and peace (meaning the closing of the 800 Military Bases, and halting of US wars) is by electing a socialist party to power, and by replacing the US libertarian capitalist government with a socialist government. There is no solution for Americans as long as the US government is a capitalist-state. 

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By ofersince72, March 19, 2010 at 10:38 pm Link to this comment

I guess I am lost because I don’t know how the bible
is going to bring the bill of rights and constitution back into play.

Also, they may have been working for fourteen years,
but they last fouteen years we have seen our courts
and constituion run over more than they ever have been.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 19, 2010 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

THE US CONSTITUTION AND THE BIBLE CAN OVERTHROW THE EVIL CAPITALIST SYSTEM

http://www.articlesoffreedom.us/Introduction.aspx


The USA Is Out of Control Constitutionally, Economically & Ethically.  Billion dollar bailouts, federal spending into debt that enslaves our children, trillions spent on wars in places most Americans can’t find on a map or tell you why we are there, the Bill of Rights—intended to protect our God-given individual rights as a free people—now ignored on a daily basis, have eroded our Republic.

Your 1st Amendment Solution Denied

All Three Branches of Government Refuse to Respond
Brave Americans have done their duty as free men and women and exercised our most profound 1st Amendment right “to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” For 14 years and counting, Bob Schulz and the We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education have been serving Petitions for Redress to the Judicial, Executive and Legislative branches of our government.

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By ofersince72, March 19, 2010 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment

The average worker has no understanding of economic
systems and why they are in place….so without
the mainstream media involved….we are stuck….

Hope that I am wrong , but how else do you get enough
citizens involved ???

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By ofersince72, March 19, 2010 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment

Hey Tennessee,  I am all with you, we need rev

but as Anarcissie pointed out on another blog,,,
when capitolism gets in deep doo doo as it is now,
they always use nationalism to unite the masses away from
any social movement

This was the essense of WWI and WWII.  There was a very
united world labor movement in the first half of the
twentyth century,  on the move strong moving in on
collapsing governments, this one included

The international corporate elitist drew straws for sides,
instilled nationalism and created their staged wars.
WWI just slowed it,  the New Deal a little more,
WWII killed the labor WORLD WIDE labor movement although
there were local movements.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 19, 2010 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ: my friend, i am not really smart, i am newbie, in socialist ideology. Well i have like around 10 years, but i havent read a whole lot about it. The internet alternative progressive websites was what introduced me to the ideology of socialism.  I am a christian, and i believe that capitalism, and specially Monopoly-Capitalist Military Imperialism (The present stage of US capitalism) is totally opposite to christianity, thats why I like socialism, and also because according to Marx, Engels and other socialist thinkers, the socialist system will evolve out of the belly and collapse of capitalism.

Here is a good link and an article about a Socialist-Revolution in USA:

THE SOLUTION FOR THE USA: AMERICAN REVOLUTION PART 2, AND A HUMANE FUTURE OF INTERNATIONAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY

http://american-genocide.netfirms.com/html/americanstateterrorism/solutions/AmericanRevolution2.html

What America needs, above all else, is a second Revolution to finish the work of the first one. American Revolution Two must be spiritual as well as political, and it must retain the full Bill of Rights of the current U.S. Constitution.

There is no solution to this country’s problems without the total overthrow of the U.S. military-government and the parasitical plutocracy which pulls its strings. The defeat of these genocidal state terrorists is also an essential step toward solving the entire world’s problems.

The fascist corporate plutocracy and its military-government puppets will never be reformed. Those who think the rotten system can be reformed from within are fooling themselves. The corporate/banking plutocracy has spent well over a century painstakingly creating a system which is absolutely impervious to any fundamental reform. Bourgeois reformers are toyed with and sneered at by the criminals in power. Would-be reformers merely serve to perpetuate the mass-illusion that we have a “democratic” system. People who seriously and fundamentally challenge the evil system are murdered, harassed or financially destroyed — if they can’t be blackmailed or bribed. Your vote counts for nothing and elections are a total fraud.

Therefore, the U.S. Corporate Mafia Government must be completely overthrown by the American people, and this will be done best through a spiritual and political Revolution using the basic strategy of massive, nonviolent non-cooperation.

The problem is that nonviolence requires a profound and very difficult discipline. And nonviolence can seem futile and cowardly in the face of the U.S. military-government murder of innocent children around the world. Retaliatory violence against the satanic U.S. government and its bestial military agents would be pure justice, and it is a great temptation. So the only question is: would it be more effective in the present circumstances? At this point, it clearly would not be. The U.S. military-government has the overwhelming advantage in firepower, so violence is exactly what they want.

Uncle Sham is a corporate mafia thug with a gun pointed to the world’s head. His itchy finger is on the trigger — and he really enjoys murdering people. He exults in it. One move from anyone to physically challenge his imperial dominance, or even merely to be independent, and he blows their heads off with a satisfied smile. And their children’s heads too.

Then while he struts around the bloody world stage beating his chest in self-congratulation, his corporate media whores all scream their approval and sing his praises for “fighting terrorism” and “liberating” the victims. And legions of bully-worshiping, flag-waving, fist-shaking, mental-puppet patriots join the chorus, whipped into a bloodlusting frenzy by the media whores, all eager to do further violence to anyone who dares to speak out with a genuine moral conscience.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 19, 2010 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

THE WORST TERRORISM that americans face is the economic-terrorism: of paying the monthly bills of electricity, phone, cable-tv, monthly house payments, and many other things like food, this kind of terrorism is a psychological-terrorism because people in America live in fear of some day not being able to eat anymore, and not being able to pay their monthly apartment or home payments

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Tennessee-Socialist, March 18 at 12:25 am #

FUCK ALL LAWS !! FUCK MORALITY AND FUCK RELIGIONS !!

if you need money steal it. Laws only exist if you get caught, be an illegalist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegalism

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...and FVCK YOU! (while you are at it).

(amazing there are posters who ADMIRE this guy!)

Ofer—you are doing it again….

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By Anarcissie, March 19, 2010 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

Sodium—Hedges wrote that the Internet is a sewer.  That is false.  He said, “The Internet has become one more tool hijacked by corporate interests to accelerate our cultural, political and economic decline.”  It has not been hijacked, yet.  Corporate interests use it, but so does everyone else.  In any case its function, real or supposed, is not to accelerate our cultural, political and corporate decline.  One sentence with three false statements in it.  He said, “The great promise of the Internet, to open up dialogue, break down cultural barriers, promote democracy and unleash innovation and creativity, has been exposed as a scam.”  It is not a scam.  It is really making dialogue and publication possible for everyone, and it has certainly unleashed all kinds of innovation and creativity.  Again, more false statements.

That’s just the title and the first two sentences, but the whole article is like that.  Do you want me to go on?  You say your time is limited, and I find going through the material pretty unpleasant.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 18 at 12:25 am #

FUCK ALL LAWS !! FUCK MORALITY AND FUCK RELIGIONS !!

“If you need money steal it. Laws only exist if you get caught, be an illegalist.”

How am I “insulting” you when I am simply identifying you for what you are as you so crudely put it here? I would not want anyone else thinking your way is the best way. So whatever energy I put into it is well spent. I will take you on if you continue to pursue this deadly, stupid and malicious form of social destruction. You will only be doing the shadow oligarchs a favor anyway. They want to wreck us before they come in an “save” us with their own version of reconstruction. From which there will be such a rigid and controlled society that you and I wouldn’t last long living in. Do you want that then continue but I don’t.

There have been companies here run into the ground by management but that have been turned over, or bought out by a consortium of workers, and put into production again and doing well. Something you would not have found in Russia, China or North Korea, I don’t know about Mongolia. A good thing for the workers who do the real work not the planners or bosses.

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Re: Anarcissie,March 15 at 12:28 pm.

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Sodium-from my point of you,Hedges has three modes. One is telling me something I didn’t know already,in ather words,acting as a reporter. This mode is unfortunately rare. The second is telling me things I already know. The third is telling me things that are not so(etc…).

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I regret the delay in responding. I have a disable lovely wife. Without me being near-by,reading,she is totally helpless. I cannot stay too long away from her location. Sometimes I cannot leave her alone for one single minute because of her severe pains. Back to your comments quoted above:

At the outset,I must say that you are one of the very few posters who have impressed me by his well organized thoughts structured in a coherent manner.Therefore,I can see why ITW had quickly endorsed your above Re,saying because of the fact that he had in mind to say what you had/have said but somehow he had failed. Well,at least,he is honest by admitting a short-coming. 

Although all the foregoing concerning your response to me in the above Re seems to be true,It has some holes in it. Please consider the following disection of your THREE points of view,as you expressed in the above Re,as only an attempt to show the holes in your response:

YOUR FIRST POINT OF YOU:
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This view of yours consists of two sentences. the Re above. The first sentence deserve an “A”
as a grade,because that what Hedges has been doing all along. My contention is with two words in your second statement,“unfortunately rare”. I do not believe for one single second is the case. Therefore,the “A” you have just earned for your first statement has been unfortunately marginalized to an over-all grade of “C”. Not bad as a passing grade.

THE SECOND POINT OF VIEW:
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Anar-With much regret I have to tell you that you really have made a BIG MISTAKE,here. In my view,all human beings,including myself,are basically selfish. The difference is in degrees. Some human selfishness is as high as Mount Everest(highest point on Planet Earth)and other human selfishness is as depressed as the Dead Sea(the lowest point on planet Earth). To tell me that your criticism of Hedges is partly based on the fact that he tells you things you already know,does not hold water. Reasons:

~ Hedges does NOT write only to those who are highly knowledgeable like yoursef. He writes to all who care to read what he writes.

~ There are more than 300 million people in the U.S. An extremely small fraction of the 300 million ever heard of Chris Hedges.

~ America needs 10 million Hedges to enlightened the 300 million who are being subjected to horrible propaganda for 24 hours broadcasting of hate radio talk shows-Fixed News,Rush Limbaugh,Beck,etc…

I can go on citing reasons why we should need some one eloquent and talented like Hedges to keep writing the he does to,at least neutralize the horrible propaganda being waged around the clock seven days a week in order co control the American minds and thus society. I am running out of space.

Therefore,you have earned a BIG “F” as a grade on this one.Joking!

THE THIRD POINT OF VIEW:
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You have made,here,a serious accusation,Anar. You have to prove it “without a shadow of a doubt” before I would even consider your unproven claim. Pls do not tell me you had done that in the past. With my family circumstances,most of the time,I can only squeese 10-15 minutes to read Hedges’column every Monday and no time to read every comment and opinions centered around the column. Therefore,I refrain from passing a final grade on this view of yours until you prove to me “without a shadow of a doubt” your accusation. Hence,the grade you honestly deserve,at this point,is Incomplete “I”.

Remember that Hedges does not only writes a weekly column for TD. He is involved in other activities.Much Pressures!

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By Anarcissie, March 19, 2010 at 7:56 am Link to this comment

Socialism is the ownership and control of the means of production by the workers.  So, if you want socialism, you have to find some workers—that is, ordinary people—who are interested in ownership and control of their means of production, and most likely other aspects of their lives as well.  There don’t seem to be very many at the moment, however.  What I observe is passivity and dependency, with occasional outbursts of whining and crying when the great leaders (mommies and daddies) people follow don’t give them the goodies they want.  The leaders know how to handle that—with pats on the head and fairy tales.

If you want socialism, you have to go out and do it.

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By ofersince72, March 19, 2010 at 2:02 am Link to this comment

A   D A I L Y   R E M I N D E R (prayer)

    Do every necessary thing as if
  it were to be a timeless work of art.
  Treat each of your dealings with others
  as if they were treaties among nations,
      on which hinged world peace.

    This is the essence of non-duality.
      and bright with the simplicity
      that blinds us to comparison.

                Dwight Rowell

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By ofersince72, March 19, 2010 at 12:58 am Link to this comment

M E T A P H Y S I C A L   P H Y S I C S

            As to the properties
          of matter, I would try
            to emulate glass.

            Hard,  smooth…
            capable of
          transparency OR
          translucence OR
            opaqueness.

            Reflection and
          refraction would
            be mine; and I
        would have few rivals
            at elasticity.

        Best of all would be
        my high boiling point
        and low melting point.

              Dwight Rowell
(i sure didn’t emulate dad)

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment

Mainstream media is owned by the enemy, we need a whole
lot more than Democracy Now to get how urgent that it is
right now, immediatly, to bring mainstream public awareness that our republic has been totally kidnapped,
that elections mean nothing anymore.

They were meaningless before the 5-4 decision.
356k- to 65… we can’t overcome those odds by voting.
half of the 65 votes came because the lawmakers knew
their vote really didn’t matter, if their vote would have
meant the Kucinach bill would win…they would have voted
no.  Really there are only about a dozen lawmakers in the
House if that , who were sincere with their NO WAR vote.
I see no way, grassroots or otherwise out.  They will
make sure , with their gobs of money, any progressive
in the primaries is dead on arrival.
Look what they did to Kucinach in his pres bid, even the
liberal media attacked him as unelectable, Colbert ,
Stewart, Olberman, all of MSNBC ridiculed him until
his candidatcy was insignificant,  not to mention the
DLC taking orders from the AARP to keep him away from any
media coverage. We are at least four elections cycles past
where we might have had a chance to vote ourselves out
of the mess we are in right now and the PATRIOT ACTS aren’t going away.

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 10:37 pm Link to this comment

I quess on second thought , violence is how we got the
forty day work week, child labor laws, and most of the
workers rights that we had the advantage of for a few
decades.

In this era, I believe pitch forks won’t work…..

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

insert the word NEVER solved any social inequities..

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

we are in a trap…
I don’t know a way out,  our elections and voting
system is sewed up….I don’t see any voting our way
out of this mess.

I agree with Night Gaunt in as much, if there is any
extreme radicalism,  the right will probably prevail
because of our media..

I too , believe a form of socialism is the best economics
and provides the type of employment and wages for a more
sustainable society..
I just at a loss on how we are going to get there..
violence has solved social inequities.

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee .....

I was not my intention to attack you…..I admire you
and your intentions….. I also liked ur feed..
Saturday Socialist Parities..

I was just commenting, after seeing how I was jumping
up and down…. It really took away from my messege.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 18, 2010 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee–Socialist

I admire both you and Hedges for your social analysis, but I believe both of the solutions offered by you and Hedges are faulty. Hedges’ solution is, I believe, counter productive because he advocates for “Sabotage” and other actions which would alienate the electorate and could be the catalyst for the rise of the worst form of Fascism. Hedges is not a Fascist of course, but if his suggestions were adopted, I believe fascists would rise in opposition. I totally agree with the concept of political protest and demonstration, but in my opinion, Hedges goes too far in his recommendations.  Your solution is, I believe, extremely impractical.

Clearly, current events make the necessity of change in both domestic and foreign policies imperative, but I believe this desired change must be achieved without creating circumstances which could worsen current realities. Have you considered the consequences for, and the practicality of what you advocate?

I think we would all like to wake up tomorrow with an oligarchy free America, and world, but this miracle will not happen overnight, unless the people of this nation, and the world experience a sudden overnight epiphany, which is not at all likely. For me, democratic socialism is the only answer, but achieving democratic socialism must be, I believe, achieved democratically.

History has shown that violence has many costs, and that outcomes from violent revolutions have been less than desirable.

Perhaps the best example of violent revolution having a positive result, would be our own revolutionary war, but as historians make clear, the proletariat who fought, suffered, died, and killed for freedom and liberty, received a government, “Of the bourgeoisie, by the bourgeoisie, and for the bourgeoisie,” the result being current and past abuses. I’m not arguing that our revolutionary war did not have positive results only that those results were tainted, and have resulted in unforeseen consequences, the numeric’s of which are measured in uncounted millions.

Your stated goals, and my goals are the same, but we differ greatly on the best method for achieving those goals. The method I advocate will require patience, commitment, and sacrifice, but I believe your method will require much, much, more, and will not achieve the desired goal.

In conclusion, I’ll ask, do you really think your method is in any way practical, or moral?

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Re: Tennessee-Socialist,March 18 at 8:45 pm.

Tennessee=Socialist,

Please be a bit careful of what you say:

* There is NO such a thing as a “Jewish Lobby”,as you have put it.

* There is a “Zionist Lobby” or “Lukudist Lobby” of which thousanda,if not millions of American Jews,are innocent of the Lobby nefarious influence on America’s foreign policy in the Middle East.

* Many American political activists are Jewish, like Naom Chomsky,Norman Finkelstein,Rachelle Marshall,Allan Brownfeld,Tom Hayden,Daniel Ellesberg etc…have spent a large part of their adult lives battling the nefarious activities and influence of the Zionist Lobby in Washington DC and halls of Congress.

Please do not mix things up. Just be more careful. Thank you.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 18, 2010 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

DEAR FRIENDS: WATCH THIS IMPORTANT WARNING BY LEON TROTSKY ABOUT HOW WAR CHANGES EVERY THING, AND HOW WAR DESTROYS ECONOMIES AND LIVES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBLnTNL5ZPQ

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 18, 2010 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Night gaunt and ofersince: Even though you insult me, i like you. My friends, we need a United Front against the 2% USA oligarchy.

Do you think its wise to attack me? Why dont you spend your energies in hating, attacking and overthrowing the damn zionist bankers, The Pentagon, the 2% USA oligarchy, the Jewish Lobby and The Democratic Party and The Republican Party who have destroyed USA?

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

Hey Tennesse , 

Did you get your second warning too,  and trying go
out with flair…???

I realized that five posters telling me the same thing,
I must be the one wrong…

My first reaction to the second warning was to do what
you seem to be doing….knee jerk…no thought
You are making socialism look really bad….
and if it is your child who gets blown away for a
pair of nikes,,, think about it ....

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By ofersince72, March 18, 2010 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

Hey Night Gaunt

He makes me look good,,,,thats hard !!!!!!!

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By Night-Gaunt, March 18, 2010 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

Now we know what you are—-a nihilist. Just do whatever your want to anyone you want and damn everyone else. You are the end product of a distorted and selfish view that ultimately obtains the kind of destruction you claim is inevitable. You bring it on yourself. Destruction is easy, construction is hard.

You are a menace and will enjoy the time that the economy falls, that is until the Christian Storm Troopers in blue roll in and roll over you that is. They want rigid conformity and anyone that stands out will be hammered first and then if it persists executed directly or indirectly later like in cleaning up toxic waste sites.

I still don’t get any responses from this or any site I post on. Now they have messed it up totally.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 17, 2010 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment

FUCK ALL LAWS !! FUCK MORALITY AND FUCK RELIGIONS !!

if you need money steal it. Laws only exist if you get caught, be an illegalist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegalism

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By Anarcissie, March 17, 2010 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Sodium—a person who makes libelous statements on the Internet can be sued just as someone who makes libelous statements in a book, a newspaper, a mimeographed sheet, or on a radio or television program can be sued.  The alternative to taking the service provider out of the liability loop is the abolition of free speech on the Net, which no doubt many desire.  The Internet would then become exactly like television and the mainstream print media, dominated by a few large corporations, free to lie and manipulate, and censored by the government.  We wouldn’t be free to have this conversation because someone would have to be paid to read it to make sure we weren’t saying anything for which the web hosts and communications providers could be sued.  Is this what you want?

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Re: Anarcissie,March 17 at 6:49 pm.

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The law you posted actually makes it more difficult for corporations and the state in general to control the Internet,which is a good thing.

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Anar,

Regret to tell you that you really have missed the whole point/motive behind passing such a law.

Under such a law,you can lose every thing,including your live-hood and you may end-up living in a total distitution and homelessness,becausse of the enormous immunity provided by the law as protection to all corporations,providers and facilitators. That is why I have suggested to review some of the legal cases that already have court rulings.The very very vast majority of the court rulings clearly was in favor of the corporations.

Based on that alone,expect that the corporations to be protected by future laws,at all times. The future will tell. And please hold me on what I have just finished saying. If I turned out to be wrong,I will eat my words and apologize to you publiclly.

Note: Please expect to see one more post from me,
addressed to you.

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By elisalouisa, March 17, 2010 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie: As a child I read a newspaper that was delivered to our door each day. I started with the comics and then worked back to the front page. My parents could leave me alone with my newspaper knowing for the most part the experience would be a positive one. You wouldn’t dare do that today with the Internet. I tell my grandchildren that those who I would not invite into my home shall not come in by way of the Internet. Authoritarian? I hope not, just emphasizing that not all websites are positive. You state that you have the impression that Chris Hedges hates pop culture. Hate is a strong word and pop culture is varied indeed. Too much of a general statement. If poor vocabulary and poor grammar are part of pop culture then I could say that I have a strong dislike for that part of pop culture. Yet there it is on the Internet. Thus I have a feeling of acute nostalgia for my childhood newspaper; something my grandchildren would toss aside to make
way for their favorite sites on the web.

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By Anarcissie, March 17, 2010 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment

Sodium—I gave reasons for most of my opinions at the time I posted them.  If I didn’t get through then, I don’t see any chance that I will get through because of repeating them.

In some cases I assumed people would perceive the obvious.  That Hedges’s openly professed hatred of popular culture is connected to an authoritarianism borne out elsewhere seems so obvious as to confound further explanation.

The law you posted actually makes it more difficult for corporations and the state in general to control the Internet, which I see as a good thing.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 16, 2010 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment

The “we” as in any or many US citizens who think might will be right in this situation. That’s who.

Also has anyone else not getting any notifications from TruthDig? I haven’t gotten any after posting again and again.

Didn’t Lenin say that he couldn’t conceive of a revolution without firing squads? I wouldn’t want him being in charge of anything more powerful than sweeping the street with that kind of anti-human attitude. Would any of you?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 16, 2010 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

DEAR JEFFERSONIAN-SOCIALISTS: WATCH THIS LATEST VIDEO ABOUT THE FAKE CAPITALIST RECOVERY BY THE CAPITALIST OBAMA GOVERNMENT BY THE WORKERS-WORLD PARTY OF USA

http://workers.blip.tv/file/3345574/

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By elisalouisa, March 16, 2010 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Sodium for checking the facts, follow ups are iimportant but that does take time. Your search for truth is what Truthdig is about. However, being human we can all fall short of that goal.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 16, 2010 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist, March 16 at 4:36 pm #

By Inherit The Wind, March 15 at 8:55 pm #

WHY AMERICANS HAVE THIS BAD HABIT OF GENERALIZING SO MUCH? I mean why is this bad intellectual habit in USA of putting evil and good leaders in a same bag? Because it seems to me that you think that Lenin and Stalin were the same thing, and that the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks were the same political party.  The same happenned with US Revolution, Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton were not the same thing.  So please be more honest in judging historical events
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Don’t be such a twit! I know chapter and verse about that history and I DAMN well know the difference between Lenin and Stalin (Lenin warned against Stalin in his will) and between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks (“Greater Wheel”, “Lesser Wheel”).  I also know damn well Stalin didn’t align himself with Mensheviks.  Communists didn’t truck with Socialists in Soviet Russia.

Stalin was a big version of Saddam Hussein.

But Lenin LITERALLY wrote the book on how to use Terror as a political weapon, and he had his own enforcer “Iron Feliks” Dzerzhinsky to enact it for him.

But, surprisingly, Lenin was NOT a dictator like Stalin.  He actually shared and believed in sharing power with the Politburo—they weren’t a rubber stamp.  And, when people were starving in the wake of WWI, Lenin enacted a limited economic freedom, the New Economic Period, or NEP.  Stalin wiped that out. Lenin also encouraged all kinds of artistic freedom and experimentation.  Stalin wiped that out too in favor “Socialist Realism” which was identical to “Nazi Realism” in the 3rd Reich.

So don’t accuse me of playing fast and loose with history after you posted the absurdity Stalin teamed up with Mensheviks.  In fact, Stalin aligned himself with the more right-wing branch of the Communist Party to eliminate Trotsky, then reversed himself and had his allies shot.

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By Sodium, March 16, 2010 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment
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For Anarcissicie,

Anar,

the following is the very fundamental of what the U.S.Senate has passed as law in 1996 concerning the Internet:

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Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act

From Wikipedia,the free encyclopedia

Section230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996(a common name for the Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996) is a lard mark piece of Internet legislation in the United States,codified at 47 U.S.C.&230;. Section 230(c)(1) provide immunity from liability for providers and users of an “interactive computer service” who publish information provided by others:
 
  No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speake of any information provided by any another information content provider.

In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by this provision,courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendent must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:

1. The defendent must be a” provider or user” of an “interactive computer service.”

2. The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must “treat” the defendent “as the publisher or speaker” of the harmful information at issue.

3. The information must be “provided by another information content provider,“i.e.,the defendent must not be “information content provider” of the harmful information at issue.

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As I said,this is the very very fundamental law. Should you wish to get deeper for more comprehension of the law,you can find it in the Wikipedia.

While at it,I highly recommend reviewing the following legal case because of its complexity:

Zeran v. America Online,Inc.

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Re: Anarcissie,March 14 at 12:33 pm.

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I was more excited by Hedges’s two recent attacks on the Internet,which were full of actual misinformation,besides exhibiting an unpleasant strain of elitism and authoitarianism. His association with a character like Lanier would be especially troubling-if anyone took him seriously.

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Anar,

I shall attempt to be as honest as I can for the sole reason just to be honest.

Your two sentences quoted above consist of three negative opinions lodged against Hedges because he attacked the Internet. The three personal opinions are:

(1) He misinformed about the Internet.
(2) He exhibited elitism and authoritarianism.
(3) He has assocition with a character like Lanier.

Well,Anar,I regret to say that what you have stated is merely a personal opinion in all three. No solid facts/proves have been presented. Therefore,any other personal opinion,it seems to me,including mine,is as good as yours. But,I will not stop there. I will try to disect every one of your three personal opinions to prove the point I am after. I only ask to bear with me:

(1) He misinformed about the Internet: Perhaps,you are unaware of the fact that the Internet has already been regulated by the U.S. Senate since 1996,in favor of the providers and facilitators. The immunity that has been bestowed abundantly upon them has made it almost impossible for you,me,Hedges and our ilk to overcome such an immunity,even if a credibly legally case is presented to the court. You need not take my word.Please check “Section 230 of the Communication Decency Act” which includes the following subdivisions:

~ Defemation Information: There are so many cases and so many rulings under such a heading. You may wish to check some of them out,to see the extent of regulations involved.

~ False Information: There are interesting legal cases to examine. I hope you will have the time to review some of them.

~ Sexually Explicit Content and Minors: Please check some cases.

~ Discriminatory Housing Ad.

~ Threats.

For the last two categories,I saw only a total of three legal cases.

Since such is the law,I cannot possibly blame Hedges in his effort to fight to protect his own interest. Who does not?  I certainly would.

(2) He exhibited elitism and authritarianism: If you consider his strict adherence to honesty and the moral high ground,and his refusal to compromise his conscience as elitism,that is your right to do so. I do not. As to authoritarianism,the gap between authoritarianism and Hedges is equivalent to the distance between the Sun and planet Earth. After more than twenty years following what he has written,there is no one who can convince me otherwise,including you,Anar. I spent too much time taking notes from what he wrote as well as what his critics wrote. I can even divide his critics into groups. My problem with your criticism is I cannot figure to which group your criticisms really belong-perhaps,because I detect humility and honesty in your posts. I do not believe you have covert or rather hidden agenda like some other critics.

(3) He has association with a character like Lanier: I have rechecked Hedges’ column,“The Information Super Sewer” and found the following points that dismiss this “troubling” association with Lanier:

* He Referred to Jaren Lanier’s book,“You are Not a Gadget” and had quoted from it like all good writers do. I do similarly whenever it is necessary to prove a point. If I quote Hertzel,the father of Zionism,does that make me a Zionist by association? Perhaps by quoting Lenin may make me a communist!!

* He called Lanier in San Frisco to ask him questions,like all good journalists do? I see no association here but good reporting.

After the Supreme Court Ruling,Corperations are persons,Justice Thomas was quoted saying"it is only the first step”:what are steps 2,3,4 etc are going to be? I thank Hedges for keeping his hamer hitting hard.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 16, 2010 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

THE TRUTH IS THAT CAPITALISM AND CAPITALISTS ARE EVIL, AND ONLY SOCIALISM AND SOCIALISTS CAN SAVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM EVIL !!

Capitalism is evil, capitalists are evil. they hate workers, poor people, and capitalists support wars and concentration of billions of dollars in the upper 5% class of USA, which produces 80 million americans to be in extreme poverty.

Capitalist Republican Party voters want to kill us all. Only socialism and socialists can? save US citizens, so fuck tea baggers capitalist libertarians nazis !!!

We gotta get out of this capitalist-hell at whatever costs, wether thru a Rafael Correa, Hugo Chavez electoral-way, thru a Leninist coup de etat way, or thru a Stalinist-Maoist way.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 16, 2010 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, March 15 at 8:55 pm #

WHY AMERICANS HAVE THIS BAD HABIT OF GENERALIZING SO MUCH? I mean why is this bad intellectual habit in USA of putting evil and good leaders in a same bag? Because it seems to me that you think that Lenin and Stalin were the same thing, and that the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks were the same political party.  The same happenned with US Revolution, Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton were not the same thing.  So please be more honest in judging historical events

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By Anarcissie, March 16, 2010 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

Tennessee Socialist—I’ve done quite a bit of reading about Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin and so forth, including their own words.  The vanguardist model they espoused has been tried many times now and has come out the same way: the vanguard party, now having power and property, assumes the role of a new bourgeoisie, only usually with greatly enhanced, oppressive powers over everyone else.

The dictatorship of the proletariat is impossible because by definition the proletariat is at the receiving end of dictatorship (and every other kind of state relationship).  Those who become dictators or even subordinate officials cease to be working class, because class describes economic and political function, not nature.  Many of the Boleshevists seem to have thought that working-class people were of a different species than their masters.  But they weren’t.  Put someone in a position of power, and you have a master, a prince, a bourgeois, regardless of ancestry or personal history.  If you doubt this you have only to consider the testimony of history.

As for getting people to read Nietzsche and Marx, it’s all available for free on the Net, and I’m all for it, but most people won’t even read road signs if they can avoid it.  Maybe if you made them into Lady Gaga videos….

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By Leefeller, March 15, 2010 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

Hedges articles may be one persons enlightenment and an others; as in my case, left overs. For some reason the enlightenment part seems elementary to me and well known and oh so obvious, or is it just some people like to hear what they want to believe over and over again? 

Maybe I am being over critical of Hedges, possibly some people need to get up to speed someplace, so why not with Hedges?

Instead of attacking Hedges the person, I will try to restrain myself and comment on his articles as I perceive them from now on, though let me say I have my toes crossed.

It is most annoying when Hedge’s seemingly large family post here, telling us all how great a writer he is, I think he shouldn’t have to be reminded, because he already knows that.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 15, 2010 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

From my point of view, Hedges has three modes.  One is telling me something I didn’t know already, in other words, acting as a reporter.  This mode is unfortunately rare.  The second is telling me things I already know.  The third is telling me things that aren’t so, as in the Internet articles, which casts suspicion on everything else he writes.  All of these are embedded in an authoritarian context that includes verbal hysteria and hatred of popular culture, which I find distasteful, but others may enjoy.  Since the reportage is unreliable, I don’t see how it can be considered more than entertainment.  There is also the apparent logical inconsistency of summoning all rebels—to drop out in place!—but as people hold logic in low esteem maybe it doesn’t matter.
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I couldn’t have said it better myself! In fact, I tried and didn’t say it as well!

Don’t worry about T-S—he thinks Mensheviks worked with Stalin to overthrow Lenin’s Bolshevik Revolution…Rightttttttt….and I’ll bet Mussolini helped since HE was in power in Italy at the time.

History is GREAT FUN when you just make up whatever bullshit you want to justify your fantasies.  What T-S is doing in The Volunteer State is being done to the textbooks over in the Lone Star State at the same time!

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 15, 2010 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

The key to USA’s salvation lies in the writtings of Fredrich Nietzsche, Marx, Lenin and Trotsky.  Nietzsche because he wrote about the importance of will-power and personal-strength and Marx, Lenin and Trotsky because they wrote about classes and how the history of the world has been a dictatorship of a few minority of elites, against the great majority, the history of the whole world has been a history of slavery of kings, wealthy oligarchs and rulers against the majority of oppressed humans.

It is time for a revolution in USA of the poor americans against the rich americans in combination with other revolutions around the world.

We need a whole world-revolution, of the poor average people against the rich

Take care all, and remember to read Nietzsche, Marx, Lenin and Trotsky

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By Anarcissie, March 15 at 12:28 pm #

You are very wrong about Lenin, Trotsky and the Bolshevik-Revolution.  The Bolshevik Russian Revolution started off as a good workers-democracy, but it was overthrown by Stalin and Mensheviks.  So dont think like most mainstream american historians and mainstream thinkers who say that the Russian Revolution was a dictatorship from its beginnings, and that Lenin, Trotksy and Stalin were all the same.

The Russian Revolution which was overthrown by oligarchs is a thing of many revolutions which can be betrayed and overthrown by evil oligarchs.

The same happened with the US revolution which began as bourgeoise-liberal democracy and was overthrown and became to be what is today an oligarchic military dictatorship

So be a bit more intellectually honest when judging the short-lived Bolshevik-state, which was a true workers-democracy, but unfortunately was overthrown by Stalin.

So blame Stalin and Mensheviks, not Bolsheviks, Lenin, and Trotsky.

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By Anarcissie, March 15, 2010 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

Sodium—From my point of view, Hedges has three modes.  One is telling me something I didn’t know already, in other words, acting as a reporter.  This mode is unfortunately rare.  The second is telling me things I already know.  The third is telling me things that aren’t so, as in the Internet articles, which casts suspicion on everything else he writes.  All of these are embedded in an authoritarian context that includes verbal hysteria and hatred of popular culture, which I find distasteful, but others may enjoy.  Since the reportage is unreliable, I don’t see how it can be considered more than entertainment.  There is also the apparent logical inconsistency of summoning all rebels—to drop out in place!—but as people hold logic in low esteem maybe it doesn’t matter.

Tennessee socialist—The problem with theses is that it’s harder to get people to be for something than to be against something.  The plan of Lenin and Trotsky and many others was to get control of the state and make people agree with them.  Then everyone would see how good their idea was and be happy.  This method did not work out well: after 70 years or so of hell, the Soviet Union broke up and most of the pieces adopted some form of capitalism.  In my analysis, this outcome was likely because vanguardism shares with capitalism and fascism the notion that the few should tell the many what to do and what to think.  I suggest a different approach: (r)evolution from the ground up.  I suggest that if what we desire is peace, freedom and equality, we use these as methods also.  Thousands, maybe millions of people are already trying to do this.  One day something will work.  Everyone will be surprised.

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Re: Anarcessie,March 14 at 12:33 pm.

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Sodium-you may find Chris Hedges’s style entertaining;I do not.

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Anar,

My interest,appreciation or admiration of the writings of Chris Hedges has nothing to do with entertainment. It has to do with what I stated in my last post addressed to you and I would repeat what I said in it for emphasis:

“I repeat that he is rarely matched in his talent and ability in bringing the ills of the social disorder to the steps of my home,conscience,heart and mind.”

I have never considered what Hedges writes as entertainment. I take what he writes very very seriously and sometimes,if time allows,I check some of the points he raises(especially the points that interest me most)with some information I already have in my files. He rarely misses.

When I want entertainment,I play with my grandchildren,nearby where I live. To me,it is the most pleasant entertainment in the whole universe. Nothing beats it.

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Anar-I wish you take your time,sometimes,and listen to the extent of bigotry loudly spouted from their filthy mouths. One day I hit it by sheer accident and was horrified of what I heard and I listened more out of curiosity. What I heard was unbelievable. I at once realized that what Hedges writes about the ills of the society is really pale compared with what is really going on in the country. I felt that he should write more and be much much tougher.

I agree that we should not even think for one single moment to compare what the TruthDig columnists write with what the bigots of hate radio spout. I wish I could say that all posters who post on TruthDig feel and think that way. Unfortunately I saw and read some posts written by some posters I used to respect what they posted,saying that Chris Hedges was/is the Rush Limbaugh,Beck and Hannity in the the Left. To me those people have grudges against Hedges and want to discredit him by hook or crook. And the more they do that,the more I will defend him as much as I can. Period. I do not feel about your criticism of Hedges that way,Anar. You are a completely different soul;indeed looking always for the truth with a sense of humility I could easily detect and appreciate.

There are other points you raised concerning Hedgs’ attack against the Internet.Please expect shortly a rather elaborate response from me on some of the points you have raised.

I close and depart with the following six lines of the poem you so graciously offered in the link:

“It’s soothing to watch the news about the places where people literally will die to live
when you live someplace with no attractions-
mountains,coastline,history-like here,
where more aspire to live,though many do.”

And finally:

“Is that the way you are stuck,too?”

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By Leefeller, March 14, 2010 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

What do you mean by “we” .... Night-Gaunt?

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Re: Tennessee-Socialist,March 14 at 9:19 pm.

Addressing Anarcissie,TS wrote:

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Tennessee Socialist,

The process of change is not “ANTITHESIS,TO THISIS”,as you have stated in the above quote. The process of change occurs in the following pattern:

THESIS—————-ANTITHESIS—————SYNTHESIS

It seems to me that what you really have intended to say to Anarcissie that the USA-Left should start moving from the ANTITHESIS stage,which you and the Left are encountering now,to the SYNTHESIS stage.

In other words,you want to start SYNTHESIZING the social-economic-political order of your socialism,which is fine except that you need a CATALYST for the SYNTHESIS. No SYNTHSIS can be accomplished without a CATALYST. You may ask: what CATALYST?  Like money-a lot of it to support your supporters who would be spending all their times SYNTHESIZING the SYNTHESIS yet to be SYNTHESIZED. Think of it,you really have a
tough obstacle there,unless(and I doubt it)George Soro comes for the rescue. Therefore,the pattern for change will become as follows:
                 
THESIS—-ANTITHESIS—-(CATALYST)—-SYNTHESIS

That is the road to socialism. And it’s tough.In fact,it is very very tough.

To my knowledge,the countries that had tried to achieve “true socialism” were the northern countries of Western Europe,especially Sweden. They ended-up having fine social services,but under the banner of MIXED ECONOMY. I believe that the reason they could not achieve “true socialism”,if there is such a thing,was due to the fact that they needed dollars to import what they needed. Where the dollars are going to come from? From their exports. Otherwise they could not function as modern societies. As long as the American dollar remains the currency for international trades and the flow of the dollars is controlled by powerful capitalists,the countries which strive for “true socialism” will remain under the leash of those who control the flow of the dollars in international trades. Hence,the Scandanavian countries OF Western Europe,plus Finland,ending-up operating under the banner of MIXED ECONOMY.

As it may be seen that even if you achieve your dream,“true socialism”,you cannot escape from dealing with the BANKESTERS who control the financial world. Even Stalin of the communist Soviet Union was secretly dealing with the international BANKESTERS. There is no other alternatives.

At the top of all that,globalization did not stem from a vacuum. It was carefully planned by the few most powerful persons in the world. Those people recognized no political boundaries FOR THEIR INVESTMENTS. They own the globe and the people living on it,including you and me. That is their attitude. If you remain in their sphere of thinking and indirectly serve their agenda like the loud crowd at Fixed News,you will be taken care of. If not,you have to struggle for the rest of your life to survive.

Perhaps,the best thing one can do is to concentrate his/her activities in the local communities and try to elect half decent politicians to represent the communities in Congress. I may sound pessimistic. I am so,but real realist.

ST: Please give some thoughts to what I have outlined in this post. And GOOD LUCK.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 14, 2010 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

Wow! Did any one else experience the comment sections disappearing? I did. And the ones that still had them you could not add comments to. Glad to see them back!

If we use force of arms we will lose either by being the catalyst for those who hate the republic and democracy or just because we will become the villains here. Either way it won’t work in our favor.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 14, 2010 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment

HERE IS A GOOD READING:

From Protest to Power - A Manifesto for World Revolution

Programme of the League for the Fifth International -Nov 2003

http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/protest-power-manifesto-world-revolution


All history proves that the capitalists will never relinquish their property peacefully – to claim otherwise in the age of ‘Shock and Awe’ is either hopeless naivety or wilful deception. There is only one way: their apparatus of state repression must be overthrown by force. The capitalists’ monopoly of military power – armies, police and security forces, prison systems, civil servants, judiciaries – must be smashed to pieces and replaced with the rule of the working people themselves.

This can be done – the majority of humanity can cast off the tiny minority of parasites. It will take mass organisation, an unambiguous strategy and, when the hour strikes, courageous and ruthless action.

Some may baulk at this, but the alternative to revolution is not decades of undisturbed peace. Basing a global civilisation on the empowerment of a few thousand and the impoverishment of six billion is like lodging depth charges in the planetary core. If the logic of capitalism is left to unfold, our world will be torn apart by starvation, disease, poverty, environmental catastrophe, and war.

In the struggle against capitalism, greater energy is equivalent to greater humanity. For with the suppression of our exploiters and an end to the tyranny of profit, human history can truly begin.


Preface
The US empire’s war on the poor
Globalisation – the latest stage of imperialism
The Universal Class
Trade unions and the onslaught of globalisation
The Trade Union Bureaucracy
Social Democracy
Stalinism
The Anticapitalist Movement
The Old Illusions of the New Anarchists
Populism against the people
Islamism – an anti-imperialist force?
The nature of transitional demands
Globalisation from below
Destroy the IMF, World Bank and WTO
Fight inflation and deflation
The scourge of unemployment
Social ownership and planned economy
Workers’ control and the fight against business secrecy
Reclaim our environment
Strategy and tactics in the semi-colonies
Revolution in the countryside
National liberation
Tear up racism by its roots
Women’s liberation
Free sexuality from state and religion
Liberation for the youth
The struggle against fascism
Against militarism and imperialist war
The state
Democratic rights
Defending our struggles – preparing our power
A government of the workers and poor peasants
Workers’ councils and the struggle for working class power
The insurrection
A revolution against the state
Forward to the formation of a Fifth International – a new Global Party of Socialist Revolution

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 14, 2010 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

By Anarcissie, March 14 at 12:33 pm #

YOU ARE TOTALLY CORRECT !! IT IS TIME FOR THE USA-LEFT TO MOVE FROM ANTITHESIS, TO THESIS, TO THEORY, TO ACTION !! In other words, it is time for the left to move from its paradigm of critisism toward a paragidm of organization and formation of a United Socialist Front for the coming presidential elections.  Because as Leon Trotsky said without a party the oppressed are hopeless and helpless:

“Without a party, apart from a party, over the head of a party, or with a substitute for a party, the proletarian cannot conquer state power.”  -Leon Trotsky


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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 14, 2010 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

BUT MODERN IDEAS, MODERN TECHNOLOGY KILLS THE WILL TO POWER AND REVOLUTIONARY-SUPERMAN SPIRIT


Lift weights for the socialist-revolution.  Arnold Shwarzenegger was correct when he claimed that this modern society of lap tops, playstations, nintendos, xbox, computers, ipods, cell phones is turning american males into girly, soft afeminate, muscularly weak men, low in testosterone levels, low in dopagimergic-drive, emotionally and passionately weak, unable to have the necessary muscular will, violence and manhood that are necessary for any revolution, popular uprising, rebellion and changes that the world demands.

“The knightly-aristocratic judgments of value have as their basic trait a powerful muscular body, a blooming, rich, even overflowing health, together with those things required to maintain these qualities: war, adventure, hunting, dancing, war games, and, in general, everything which involves strong, free, happy action.” -On The Genealogy of Morals. F. Nietzsche

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By elisalouisa, March 14, 2010 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

Chris Hedges gives legitimacy to those whose concerns are not voiced elsewhere Anarcissie. Because he is not a pawn of corporate interests he can speak his mind and with a most unique writing style and words that emanate from his whole being not the intellect alone.  Perhaps this is what makes him a villain in your eyes
when if truth be told this is his most accomplished attribute.

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By lisa, March 14, 2010 at 11:26 am Link to this comment
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The claim that “There are no constraints left to halt America’s slide into a totalitarian capitalism” may be approximately true when seen as a statement of the domestic US condition. However there are constraints to this process in terms of US grand strategy. This strategy relies primarily on force being extended far afield, with an increasing commitment to a single methodology and system of supply. At the same time as the US option-set is reduced to one, the vulnerabilities - the option set as seen by, possessed by “targets” and rivals - is increased. This - the reduction of options, defines not what the US may do, but what it must do. Knowing what an opponent must do is the opening to defeat. There are, therefor constraints. Really nasty ones… Does, for example, anybody seriously imagine that Persia has forgotten her defeat at Salamis? It may be worth remembering that it was just such understanding of strategy that created the ground upon which Imperial Japan was destroyed.

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By Anarcissie, March 14, 2010 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

Sodium—you may find Chris Hedges’s style entertaining; I do not.  Do we really need more ranting and wailing about the ills of our society?  I can supply my own pretty well.  However, it’s easy enough to avoid that sort of thing; one can just stop reading the articles.  I was more excited by Hedges’s two recent attacks on the Internet, which were full of actual misinformation, besides exhibiting an unpleasant strain of elitism and authoritarianism.  His association with a character like Lanier would be especially troubling—if anyone took him seriously.  The lack of veracity was odd to find in articles specifically concerned with veracity. Or maybe not, come to think of it.

In the present article, Hedges, quoting Camus, seems to conclude that all one can do now is drop out in place—to become an isolated “internal exile”.  I don’t think we’re down to that yet, as witness the variegated raving here and elsewhere.  You can still find a few other exiles around, partly due to the Internet which Hedges so despises.  Or if not, you can read this poem: http://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/index.php?date=2004/07/05

I don’t listen to hate radio.  Surely it is not a standard we want to apply to the authors featured on TruthDig.

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By Leefeller, March 14, 2010 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

My choice to use only the two words “progressive” and “Zionist” as my sample stereotypes, came from their apparent previous use on Truth Dig on previous occasions by posters here!

Yes, there are many stereotypes bandied about, left and right, liberal and conservative, alians and gays, I preferred to use someting more than bacon and eggs as my examples!

Using the word we, has always seemed presumptuous egotistical to me, I even hesitate to use the word you! You, reminds me of someone poking one in the chest.

The man on the radio should have a right to express his opinion as anyone, unfortunately some listen! What seems to be happening in Texas they have taking Thomas Jefferson to the wood shed and the out of the history books, seemingly from this same kind of nonthinking. 

Sadly some will listen to tripe believing they are being sold steak, by deceptive sellers of tripe.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 13, 2010 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, March 10 at 12:16 pm #

  Tennessee-Socialist, March 10 at 2:56 am:
  ’... SO MY PERSONAL TIP TO ALL: TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER….’

Show us.
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SPIT-TAKE!!!!

Too funny!

Y’know, I’d pay good money to watch a debate between the Tennessee Socialist and John Ellis.  The resulting hilarity would be classic! Maybe it could be staged at “The Comedy Store”.

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By elisalouisa, March 13, 2010 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

Thank you for your most enlightening post Sodium. It is no secret that I value the writings of Chris Hedges. An art form reveals the artist in due time and followers of Chris Hedges should not apologize for admiring a man who is true to himself.  Of course, any art form is subjection to interpretation and thus not all would agree as to conclusions reached. Such is life. I would also like to quote a paragraph in

nemesis2010, March 22 at 2:06 p.m. post.
“Do you know anyone like that Mr. Hedges? Do you know anyone willing to forfeit his affluent lifestyle, pick up the standard, and lay all that he has and all that he is on the line and ”fight back”? Especially one who has become rather wealthy from the same predator capitalist system that he is now condemning?”
Most who do protest and rebel consider the cause most imperative, the consequences are secondary. Obviously, if one’s lifestyle is of primary importance the rebellion is put on hold. Such is the situation today. 
Anarcissie: Thank you for all your links. The “accidental communist” link was especially good.

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By KDelphi, March 13, 2010 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

What happened to Anarcissie’s (and a couple others..) links that I came back here to click on??

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By KDelphi, March 13, 2010 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

I was rather hoping that the demonstrations in California would expand and go to DC..I didnt say that I was EXPECTING it…until we have a draft, no one will protest the “wars” in large numbers (except March 20th—did somebody info the right link to that?? I have it, if needed), no one will protest this crappy insurance industry bailout until enough do not have health care, and, as long as neo-liberal are comfortable, they will not do shit. It is not as thought this suddenly happened, folks…

I also do not understand why people dont seem to realize that a “revolution” does not have to involve war, and, that, if (whatever they are) want to secede—where’s the problem?? The end of Empire is a “problem” for whom?

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Re: Anarcissie,March 13 at 2:43 pm.

Anar,

If you really care to listen to REAL hysteria,I suggest that you take your time and listen for a while what some Radio-Talk-Shows,operated and anchored by the fanatics on the Right,say. Those kind of shows pollute the airwaves around the clock,seven days a week.

I must say that I have read NO hysteria,sofar,in the writings of Chris Hedges. On the contrary,I have found his writings to be eloquent,honest and extremely informative.

In fact,inspite of time limitations,the first thing I look for to read,every Monday,is Chris Hedges’ Column. If I have additional time I may make comments about his writing. Otherwise,I am content in reading his columns,and of course,his books.

In addition to the above and much more,he helps me recognise more vividly the ills of the society I am living in. He is rarely matched in his profession as a POINTER. I do a lot of readings by so many different authors. I repeat that he is rarely matched in his talent and ability in bringing the ills of the social disorder to the steps of my home,conscience,heart and mind. Why? Because of the honesty and other beautiful things I detect in his columns. I have developed that appreciation and admiration of his writings through the years of reading him since he was stationed in Beirut,Lebanon,working for The New York Times. If you wish to call that “hysteria”,that is,of course,your prerogative,but I respectfully disagree completely with such a judgement.

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By Sodium, March 13, 2010 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
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Re: Leefeller,March 13 at 11:01 am.

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It may be only I,who finds confusion in stereotypes,such as in the word progressive bandied around TD like Zionist.

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Leefeller,

I can assure you that you are not the only one who is confused in trying to make sense of what he or she reads,most of the time. There are many,myself included. But I never give up in trying to,at least, develop a degree of comprehension out of the total confusion. All of that is really besides the point that has compelled me to address this post to you.

Perhaps,it is appropriate to call your attention to the following questions:

Why do you restrict your comment quoted above to two operative words,“progressive” and “Zionist”,for creating the “confusion in stereotypes” you have encountered?

Have you ever taken your time listening to the Right—Wings’ Radio-Talk-shows who pollute the air waves with their hatred around the clock and seven days a week? If you have not,I did,just out of curiosity. What I heard,with a screaming/angry voice,was horrible and I would quote of what I heard:

“This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics,not by Atheists,not by Abortionists,not by Homosexuals,not by Marxists,not by Socialists,not by Islamofascists. When are we going to get rid of them,hah? When? When?”

Although I consider every word quoted above offensive,I wonder what the angry and screaming man,ranting his garbages through the radio,meant by the word “we”!! Who are the “we”? How many of them? Few hundreds or few thousands or few millions? I wish I know. Perhaps,you would appreciate my questioning of the word “we”,here,since you have been an exponent in criticizing Chris Hedges for his frequent
usage of “we” in his columns,inspite of the fact that Hedges was speaking to his fans,and the persons who agree and appreciate reading what he writes,like me,not particularly to his critics.

I assume that the angry-radio-man was also refering to his fans as he used the pronoun,“we”. That is why I have questioned the “we” and numbers included in it. I have to assume that you will appreciate that,considering your criticisim of the “we” of Chris Hedges.

You talk about “stereotypes” and “confusion”,I wonder how can one describe the comments made by the angry radio-man outlined above?

It seems to me that if one confines the “confusion in stereotypes” only to the words “progressive” and “Zionist”,meanwhile neglecting what is going on in the rest of the country,one may end-up in living in the realm of exclusivity,even in such a thing called stereotype,which is wide spread.

As one may see that the words “progressive” and “Zionist” cannot be considered exclusive in creating confusion in an extremely divided social disorder

Therefore,including the words,Atheists,Abortionists,
Homosexuals,Socialists,Marxists and Islamofascists would have made your comment,Leefeller,less bias and more credible.

Please do not try to tell me that you meant what was going-on on TruthDig only.

TruthDig is an integral part of the social disorder it tries to amend,however minutely.

One has to criticize or condemn ALL “stereotypes” or refrain from criticizing or condemning any of them.

I personally condemn them all with no exception. I am almost sure you do too,Leefeller. Just make it explicitly so.

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