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Posted on Mar 4, 2012
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By Chris Hedges

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We are, and have long been, the primary engine for radicalism in the Middle East. The greatest favor we can do for democracy activists in Iran, as well as in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Gulf and the states that dot North Africa, is to withdraw our troops from the region and begin to speak to Iranians and the rest of the Muslim world in the civilized language of diplomacy, respect and mutual interests. The longer we cling to the doomed doctrine of permanent war the more we give credibility to the extremists who need, indeed yearn for, an enemy that speaks in the same crude slogans of nationalist cant and violence that they do. The louder the Israelis and their idiot allies in Washington call for the bombing of Iran to thwart its nuclear ambitions, the happier are the morally bankrupt clerics who are ordering the beating and murder of demonstrators. We may laugh when crowds supporting [President] Ahmadinejad call us “the Great Satan,” but there is a very palpable reality that informs the terrible algebra of their hatred. And since even the most optimistic scenarios say that any strike on Iranian nuclear installations will at best set back Iran’s alleged weapons program by [only] three or four years, we can be sure that violence will beget violence, just as fanaticism begets fanaticism.

The hypocrisy of this vaunted moral crusade is not lost on those in the Middle East. Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Pakistan, India and Israel did not and developed nuclear weapons programs in secret. Israel now has an estimated 400 to 600 nuclear weapons. The word “Dimona,” the name of the city where the nuclear facilities are located in Israel, is shorthand in the Muslim world for the deadly Israeli threat to Muslims’ existence.

What lessons did the Iranians learn from our Israeli, Pakistani and Indian allies?

Given that we are actively engaged in an effort to destabilize the Iranian regime, given that we use apocalyptic rhetoric to describe what must be done to the Iranian regime, and given that Israel could obliterate Iran many times over, what do we expect from the Iranians? On top of this, the Iranian regime grasps that the doctrine of permanent war entails making “pre-emptive” and unprovoked strikes. And they know that if Iraq, like North Korea, had had a bomb they would have never suffered American invasion and occupation.

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Those in Washington who advocate attacking Iran, knowing as little about the limitations and chaos of war as they do about the Middle East, believe they can cripple nuclear production and neutralize the 850,000-man Iranian army. They should look closely at the 2006 Israeli air campaign in southern Lebanon, which saw Hezbollah victorious and united most Lebanese behind the militant Islamic group. If the massive Israeli bombing of Lebanon failed to pacify 4 million Lebanese, how can we expect to pacify a country of 70 million people? But reality never seems to impinge on the neoconservative universe or the efficacy of its doctrine of permanent war.

I have watched over the years as these neoconservatives have meddled disastrously in the Middle East. The support by neoconservatives of the Israeli right wing—and I covered Yitzhak Rabin’s 1992 campaign for prime minister when prominent AIPAC donors poured money and resources into Likud to defeat Rabin—is not about Israel. It is about advancing this perverted ideology. Rabin detested these neoconservatives. When he made his first visit to Washington after being elected prime minister he dismissed requests from the lobby for a meeting by telling aides: “I don’t speak to scumbags.”

These neoconservatives, who like our own neoconservatives hide behind the rhetoric of patriotism, national security and religious piety, are not wedded to any discernable doctrine other than force. They, like all rabid nationalists, are stunted and deformed individuals, only able to communicate in the language of self-exaltation and violence.

“The nationalist is by definition an ignoramus,” the Yugoslav writer Danilo Kiš wrote. “Nationalism is the line of least resistance, the easy way. The nationalist is untroubled, he knows or thinks he knows what his values are, his, that’s to say national, that’s to say the values of the nation he belongs to, ethical and political; he is not interested in others, they are no concern of his, hell—it’s other people (other nations, another tribe). They don’t even need investigating. The nationalist sees other people in his own images—as nationalists.”

AIPAC does not drive Middle Eastern policy in the United States. I am afraid it is worse than that. AIPAC is one of an array of powerful and well-funded neoconservative institutions that worship force and drive our relations with the rest of the world. These neoconservatives choose an enemy and then our compliant class of journalists, specialists, military analysts, columnists and television commentators line up to serve as giddy cheerleaders for war. Moments like these always make me embarrassed to be a reporter. Our political elite, Republican and Democrat, finds in this ideology a simple, childish allure. This ideology does not require cultural, historical or linguistic literacy. It reduces the world to black and white, good and evil. The drumbeat for war with Iran sounded by AIPAC is part of this broad, sick, binary vision of a world that can be subjugated by force, a world where all will be made to kneel before these corporate and neoconservative elites, where none, including finally us, will be permitted to whisper dissent.


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By Child of the Universe :), May 16, 2012 at 5:23 am Link to this comment
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Who started the holy Crusades, and who is continuing them today, and where they Political or Religious. Who was the piggy in the middle then and who is still in the middle 2day ? It seems we collectively want to blame or hate or change things we still don’t understand, instead of Loving each other and looking after each other.  We certainly have enough knowledge and history for us to Love Each Other, if we choose and we can Teach Our Children to Love,  I guess we just LoVe to Hate instead of Love to Love each other.
Back to your circular arguments, hope the font colour changes back to blk its currently red, notmychoice:)

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 20, 2012 at 2:28 am Link to this comment

Honoring the Memory of RACHEL CORRIE,
        April 10,1979-March 16, 2003
Born in Olympia, Washington, on April 10, 1979, RACHEL CORRIE’s glorious and noble life was violently cut short as she was crushed to death by a fascist Israeli soldier driving an American-made bulldozer, who ran his machine of death over her tender body twice, as she tried to block the demolition of a Palestinian family’s home in the town of Rafah, in the Gaza Strip of bleeding Palestine. She met her tragic death on March 16, 2003.
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In one entry of RACHEL’s Journal she wrote on January 19, 2003:

“I think white people sometimes suffer in the United States from a system that still privileges us over people of color; men suffer from the system that privileges them over women; and Jewish Israelis suffer (much more than white people and men in the U.S.) from a system in Israel that privileges them over Palestinian-Israelis and Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. Nevertheless, the system remains a racist one.”

I also think it’s extraordinarily important to draw a firm distinction between the policies of Israel as a state and Jewish people in general. That’s kind of a no-brainer, but there is very strong pressure to conflate the two. Thus, the pro-Israel lobby becomes the “Jewish Lobby” and criticism of Israel becomes anti-Semitic. I try to ask myself- whose interests does it serve to identify Israeli policy with all Jewish people? All I can think of is that it serves people who want to stifle all critique of Israeli policy, people who want to execute various foreign policy goals under the guise of doing something humanitarian for Jewish people (i.e. U.S.), and neo-Nazis who want to use Israel’s policy as a way to justify their hate.”

(From: LET ME STAND ALONE, The Journals of RACHEL CORRIE, pp. 226-227)
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God bless Rachel’s noble soul, for in her tender age of only 24 she was more sober, wise, and courageous than any American politician whoever held an office in the history of these sad U.S.A.

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By heterochromatic, March 19, 2012 at 10:12 pm Link to this comment

you just keep shining CC….... you’re a dazzler.

http://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/uncle-fester.jpg

I’m just not as wired as you are.

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By Cliff Carson, March 19, 2012 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

Poor ole mentally challenged Herto…...

Once again your post ends in “Page Not Found”  so you seem to be batting a resounding Zero.  There is an option to go to the Front Page of Huffington Post.  But alas, his article is not there.

On the other hand click on the Link I provided and you will be taken straight to the Ketcham Article.  When you get there you can read the entire article including the excerpt that I provided.

Zero, You prove your worthlessness with every pottymouth retort you post.  You contribute nothing of value, except many people on here can get a good laugh at an imbecile trying to look intelligent.

I am done with you and your ignorant actions.

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By heterochromatic, March 19, 2012 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

here’s Ketchum’s article….....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-
ketcham/vermont-revolutionaries-a_b_699954.html

paste it where it should go…and cliff, you ain’t
really in position to question the intellectual candle-
power of humans and other higher primates,

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By Cliff Carson, March 19, 2012 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

Our low wattage light bulb of changing colors, shill for Israel, meanders about cheating some village out of their Idiot, has named Naylor as head of the “Green Tea Party”.  What follows is a link to the origin of that phrase “Green Tea Party”.  I doubt there is such an organization today but the origin of this comes from an article by Christopher Ketcham and I have provided an excerpt from his commentary where his use of the phrase is about as close as Naylor ever came to any such organization.  Of course Ketcham might have been thinking of the Vermont “Green Mountain Men” when he uses the phrase, which would be honoring those men from Vermont.  And just for the irritation in our midst, this article also rails against the 1% and overbearing Israeli corruption influence of our Government.  Anyway below is the excerpt and following is the link to the entire article:

“What the Vermonter secessionist present is something altogether more serious, a new paradigm in American politics: the rise of a left-wing populist peacenik secessionist movement, a leftism that rejects big government, that seeks not a take-over of the federal center but an end to centralized power altogether.  Call it a kind of Green Tea Party, shorn of the gun fetishism, the blind rage, the know-nothingism.  Or call it the thinking man’s secession, arising as a reasonable answer to the cold facts of our national impasse.  What’s gone wrong with the US government, argue the Vermonters, is that it has been totally captured by the corporatocracy, corrupted to the core, a lost cause, unreformable.  Its laws are written by and for the rich and the powerful, whose predatory business models – Walmart, Monsanto, Goldman Sachs et al – operate against the interests of average Vermonters.  It blows Vermont’s precious tax dollars in bailing out insolvent banks and piratical financiers, bombing children in Pakistan, kidnapping and torturing foreigners, slapping military bases on every continent (over a thousand of them across 153 countries), etc. etc. ad nauseum.  The Vermonter secessionist see no good future for the US.  Instead, the country will likely flush itself down the toilet of its own corruption and hubris – ruined by unsustainable debt, unwinnable wars, military overstretch, pathologic dependence on cheap oil. “

http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/09/02/the-rise-of-a-green-tea-party/

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By heterochromatic, March 19, 2012 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

Thomas H. Naylor, Founder of the Second Vermont Republic….and head of the
Green Tea Party….


very intelligent and interesting guy and no more than slightly nuts…...likely to be
very influentual in some ways, but not as a political guru…...

he’s not gonna get far in persuading Vermont to secede from the United States.

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By XX, March 19, 2012 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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People must understand that, despite the tragedy that is the gross oppression of the Palestinian people - both in the West Bank and Gaza and, to a lesser extent, those Palestinians who are Israeli citizens - the rocket attacks into Israeli settlements and towns are a completely counterproductive and ineffective retaliation against the heinous acts committed against Palestinians by both settlers and the Israeli army.  Likud, Kadima and Yisrael Biteinu could not have hired better allies than Hamas and Hezbollah.  Without these two forces, the militant right wing of Israel would loose all its steam.  The best thing that Palestinians can do is completely disarm, completely renounce violence and then come to the UN.  This would achieve far more of their stated demands than their current insistence upon armed defense and retaliation, which will gain them precisely nothing. Nonviolence is the only way to win an asymetric war against an occupying force that relies upon a domestic “hearts and minds” campaign. This may sound ludicrous but, if this does not occur, the Israeli right wing will never cease from their expulsion, detainment, seizure and eradication program.  The quickest course to a free Palestine is a wholesale embracing of non-violence and disarmament by key public figures.  The right in Israel would suddenly find itself in quicksand.

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By heterochromatic, March 19, 2012 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

Patsy—-withdrawal is part of the peace deal….that’s the decree….indeed the Pals
shouldn’t have to withdraw from anywhere but should be allowed to return to the
places that have been held in occupation.

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 19, 2012 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

Below, free thinkers are encouraged to read an excellent article by Thomas H. Naylor, Founder of the Second Vermont Republic and Professor Emeritus of Economics at Duke University; co-author of Affluenza, Downsizing the U.S.A., and The Search for Meaning. Excerpts from the full article are included below.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/06/the-absurdity-of-usisraeli-relations/

     
“The U.S.-Israeli relationship gets right to the very essence of what the American Empire is all about.  The United States and Israel are the two foremost techno-fascist nations in the world.  That’s why there is such a close symbiotic relationship between the two war mongering nations. The answer to the question, “Who controls whom?” remains in doubt.  But as we previously noted, Israel is nevertheless useful to the United States, even though it pulls our string.”
      “About Israel, Human Scale author Kirkpatrick Sale once said, “The original idea of a Jewish state was a mistake, and to establish it in an Islamic Middle East essentially by force and with the immiseration of millions of natives was a tragic mistake.  We are reaping the awful results of that error today.”  Continuing he said, “It is not so easy to know what to do to undo that mistake, but I would argue that a world that can make a state can unmake it.”
      “Because the compliant American media marches in lockstep to the beat of the AIPAC drum, no change in the U.S. – Israeli relationship is expected anytime soon.”
      “The only way to stop Israeli terrorism is for the U.S. to discontinue all economic and military aid to Israel.  Only then will the fighting cease.  But this will never happen so long as the Empire remains intact.  So strong are the ties between Israel and the United States that only the dissolution of the Union itself could put an end to the relationship.”

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By PatrickHenry, March 19, 2012 at 4:10 am Link to this comment

By tic,

sorry, Patsy but unilateral withdrawal is not what’s been decreed. you lie an awful
lot.

Withdrawing to the 67 borders by israel is what has been decreed with the Palestinians not having to withdraw from anywhere….sounds like unilateral withdrawal to me.

You really are pathe..tic in your denials and protection of israel criminality of scorched earth policies.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/gaef3219.doc.htm

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By Cliff Carson, March 19, 2012 at 3:35 am Link to this comment

Herto ‘s link doesn’t work so for the interested here is one that does.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0311/Palestinian-solar-power-why-Israel-may-turn-out-the-lights

Israel has a long term goal, you all know what it is - get rid of all Non-Jews in Palestine. 

The inhuman treatment of the Palestinians by Israel goes unpunished as the United States government crawls thru the gutter supporting the genocide.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment

Destroying the solar panels REALLY would suck,,,,,,,

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-nixes-solar-energy-palestinians-063945036.html


should the Israelis actual destroy the things, it would mark the first time that
something in occupied territory built without a permit got torn down without years
and years going by.  I guess that illegal building by Palestinians is worse than all
the shit built illegally by the settlers.

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By Cliff Carson, March 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry

Speaking of despicable things that the Israelis do, have you read about Israel destroying personal Solar Power stations given to Palestinians who don’t have electricity or means to run water pumps if they did have them?

The Israeli’s are destroying them because the power stations were given to the Palestinians by NGO’s trying to help people who desperately need help.  The NGO’s did this because Israelis destroyed those farmers wells and left them without water or means to pump it out of the ground.  The Israeli’s see the denial of water and power as a means to force the Palestinians to leave.

The Israeli excuse?  They are not licensed by Israel.

Efforts to license them have been denied by Israel.

It is not hard to understand why the Israeli’s do things like this if you recall that the original goal of the Zionists was to force out the Non-Jews by any means necessary.

They would like for the Palestinians to just leave, but they make no bones about making them leave and the continuous attacks against the Palestinians is not because the Palestinians attack Israel. 

Keep in mind that Ben Gurion said their mission is not complete until the land is cleansed and the borders are set as originally planned.

The Zionists are in Phase two ( Expansion) of the Zionist mission to make all of Palestinian free of all Non-Jews.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

Patsy, you donkey——-Then israel should get a hint and
move out of occupied territories to pre-67 position as
all the players in that region and the UN call for.——


that’s the unilateral withdrawal that you’re calling
for…..and which I cited…


jeepers, keep your shit straight enough to remember the
discussion,,,,,vous ane.

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By PatrickHenry, March 18, 2012 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

tic,

Do you read what you post?  Obviously not as stupid as it is.

Unilateral withdrawal decreed?  Where are the Pals to withdraw from?  The issies have taken and occupied most everything else.

No the israelis are the ones who have to pack up and leave but they will most likely poison the water and uproot the orchards and do everything else a miserable people would do.

The rocket attacks are justified until the squatters leave and the sooner the better.

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By Cliff Carson, March 18, 2012 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, March 18 at 9:18 am

“The Palestinians have the right to self defense by aggressors on their land.  We are sanctioning the wrong country.  Apply BDS against israel and cut off their welfare and see how fast they withdraw from their 45 year squat on the Pals property.”

You are so correct PatrickHenry.

And the pottymouth shill barking for Israel wants to blame the victims instead of the criminals yet doesn’t have any thing to give credence to defending Israel other than his filthy mouth.

The cleansing of Palestine of Non-Jews has been the Goal of the Zionists since before 1900.  And it has been spoken and recorded many times throughout these 100 plus years.  The borders of the cleansed Israel according to Ben Gurion in 1907   would be the Litaini River in Lebanon, to 20 miles South of Damascus in Syria, to the Euphrates in Iraq, to the Southern end of the Negev, and East to the Nile in Egypt.

During a lecture in Tel-Aviv in front of Mapai activists in 1938, Ben-Gurion divided the realization of the “historic aim of the Jewish state” into two stages. The first stage, which would last ten to fifteen years, he called “the period of building and laying foundations.” This would prepare the state for the second stage, “the period of expansion.” The goal of both stages was the “gathering of the exiles in all of Palestine.” And so “from the moment the state is established, it must calculate its actions with an eye toward this distant goal.”

The Goal of the Zionist as I have said on here so often is to cleanse Palestine and ultimately the identified lands in Syria, Iraq, and Egypt.  And the de-populations of Non-Jews of those lands also.
That, and the fact that the United States is the lap dog of Israel, by way of the 1%,  is the cause of almost every conflict in the Middle East.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

sorry, Patsy but unilateral withdrawal is not what’s been decreed. you lie an awful
lot.

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By PatrickHenry, March 18, 2012 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

Are the Pals suppose to sign a peace treaty which is somewhat less than the 67 borders? No, this is what the world body has decreed and what the Issies ignore and in their veiled threatening way blackmail the world with nuclear war.

The Palestinians have the right to self defense by aggressors on their land.

We are sanctioning the wrong country.  Apply BDS against israel and cut off their welfare and see how fast they withdraw from their 45 year squat on the Pals property.

Go back to your monitoring shillboy.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

when the Pals put up their guns and bombs and sign up for permanent peace, as I
hope that they will, then I join you in wishing to get the fuck off the rest of the
occupied territory, take their shithead settlers the hell home, and leave forthwith.

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By PatrickHenry, March 18, 2012 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

Then israel should get a hint and move out of occupied territories to pre-67 position as all the players in that region and the UN call for.

They won’t because they wish to take over others land which dowsn’t belong to them.

They deserve every rocket fired at them until they withdraw.

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By heterochromatic, March 18, 2012 at 8:57 am Link to this comment

yup patsy…. that’s what people who defend Gazans firing rockets blindly into
Israel are….fuckheaded shills..

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By PatrickHenry, March 18, 2012 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

Defending indefensable acts are the hallmark of a true shill.

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By heterochromatic, March 17, 2012 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

Gaza is a small place but it’s certainly big enough that weapons depots and
factories don’t NEED to be in the middle of the block….


you’re erecting a flimsy facade of an excuse there.


Israel, this last time around, fired THEIR rockets, extremely accurately…

and the militants deserved every bad thing that happened to them.

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By PatrickHenry, March 17, 2012 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

tic,

Your logic as your ability to post a link is seriously lacking.

The Issies started this conflict with an unprovoked attack.

Gaza is a small place, these rocketeers didn’t ‘hide’ behind anyone.  The Issies just don’t care who they kill and that is the bottom line.  They have buckets of blood on their hands since their creation and deserve every bad thing that befalls them. 

The crying, moaning and excuses posters like you blather about on behalf of Israel only serve as an example of the lack of humanity Israel has for other nations including the United States and its citizens.

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By heterochromatic, March 16, 2012 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

and BTW, I trust the Palestinians with nukes more than I trust the Iranian
regime…..

When the Palestinians finally give up on terror and Hamas gives up on saying that
ALL the land belongs to Muslims….. then the Israelis will have to end the
occupation that harms everyone…. if then they don’t, then talk to me about Israeli
fascism.

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By heterochromatic, March 16, 2012 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

Sinbad——- I agree that the rocket fire from the guys in Gaza didn’t kill
anyone….... I don’t see that attempted murder that doesn’t work out well for the
guys attempting the murder means that they deserve an extra chance to
succeed….. I think that killing people attempting murder is a good idea and an
ethical action.

I don’t really see any possible reason to try to kill civilians at random or think that
it makes any sense at all or is ethical defensible.

What distinction do you make that causes you to bring up the fact that the dead
terrorists were failed dead terrorists?

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 16, 2012 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, March 16 at 2:58 pm

“Twenty-six Palestinians were killed as a result of
IAF strikes on Gaza. Out of these 22 were militants and 4 were civilians who were in the area of IAF strikes, but were not involved in the rocket fire.“
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But in your usual twisted propaganda and half-truths you failed to say that these supposedly rocket fire, which I call fire works, have not killed one single Israeli.

As my hero, the late Rachel Corrie, who was crushed to death by a fascist Israeli terrorist bulldozer driver, nine years ago today, has put it:

“(one) could be perpetuating the idea that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a balanced conflict, instead of the (Palestinian) national liberation struggle of a largely unarmed people against the fourth most powerful military in the world,” always abated and enabled by the first military power and the most warmonger entity of the world, which is the misguided U.S.A.

Actually, one can be justified to say that both the Israeli military and U.S. military are both the most
terrorists and the most coward entities in the history of the world, as they have always been using their superior weapons of mass destruction against far less weaker opponents, both numerically and weapons-wise.

As to the so-called rocket fire used occasionally by a small band of Palestinian freedom-fighters, these are no more than fire-works intended to cause anxiety among the evil occupiers, as they are reminded that the Palestinian just cause cannot be easily swept under the carpet!

In fact, one of my fervent constant prayers or day-dreams if you wish is about the Palestinians acquiring a modest nuclear capability, let’s say ten nuclear heads, for it is only then that the Zionist terrorists, marauders, occupiers will be brought back to their senses and their 400 nuclear heads would be neutralized. That’s why I fervently pray that the Iranians would acquire military nuclear capability soon, and that they would offer the Palestinians few of these nuclear weapons as the ultimate charitable act!!!

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By heterochromatic, March 16, 2012 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

====“Twenty-six Palestinians were killed as a result of
IAF strikes on Gaza. Out of these 22 were militants and
4 were civilians who were in the area of IAF strikes,
but were not involved in the rocket fire.“_—-

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/gaza-
militants-fire-rockets-at-israel-iron-dome-intercepts-
projectiles-over-be-er-sheva-1.418685

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By PatrickHenry, March 16, 2012 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

tic,

You’re just a hasbarat troll making up your own stats as you go.

Post some backup if you are to be believed.

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By heterochromatic, March 16, 2012 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

Arabian Sinbad—- for no reason other than I agre with about Rachel Corrie, i
thank you for publishing that.

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By heterochromatic, March 16, 2012 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment

sorry Patsy, but you’re bullshitting…... 22 of 26 KIAs are dead terrorists….. 4
innocents killed because the terrorists choose to work by hiding in the middle of
the civilain pop belong on the slate of the terrorists.


time for you to actually ACQUIRE a compass, you clueless prickless puddle of pus.

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 16, 2012 at 4:13 am Link to this comment

Honoring the Memory of RACHEL CORRIE,
        April 10,1979-March 16, 2003

Born in Olympia, Washington, on April 10, 1979, RACHEL CORRIE’s glorious and noble life was violently cut short as she was crushed to death by a fascist Israeli soldier driving an American-made bulldozer, who ran his machine of death over her tender body twice, as she tried to block the demolition of a Palestinian family’s home in the town of Rafah, in the Gaza Strip of bleeding Palestine. She met her tragic death on March 16, 2003.
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In January 19, 2003, the honorable RACHEL CORRIE wrote the following letter from Gaza to her mom in Olympia:

“I’m going to give The Olympian your number. Please think about your language when you talk to them. For instance, if you talk about the “cycle of violence,” or “an eye for an eye,” or “no side is right,” you could be perpetuating the idea that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a balanced conflict, instead of the national liberation struggle of a largely unarmed people against the fourth most powerful military in the world.”

“Also the word “peace” ... the word “nonviolent” ... I think it’s important to spend a lot of time on what “peace” means, especially in the context of Oslo. Peace meant a tiny fraction of what was once Palestinian land, an actual increase in settlements on that remaining land, a network of Jewish-only roads crisscrossing that land, and no guarantee that a Palestinian state would ever exist. “Peace” meant the continuation of an economic stranglehold on Palestinians, and Israel’s veto power over any laws passed by the Palestinian authority. “Peace” for the Palestinians has also frequently meant being attacked, as Israel has a history of violating cease-fires. Sharon has pretty much admitted that suicide bombings are a way of getting more land under the guise of security. “Peace” for Sharon means not having an excuse for land grabs.”

“I think it was smart that you’re wary of using the word “terrorism.” It’s important to realize that state policies that lead to death by malnutrition, destruction of housing, “accidental shootings,” assassinations, economic strangulation, and imprisonment without trial (“administrative detention”) are all acts of state terrorism- if we define terrorism as acts of violence directed at civilians for political purposes. In terms of suffering of innocent people, it’s a little ugly to try to quantify that suffering with numbers, but it is true that many more Palestinian children have been killed since the outbreak of the first intifadah.

The scariest thing for non-Jewish Americans in talking about Palestinian self-determination is the fear of being or sounding anti-Semitic. Reading Chomsky’s book and talking to my non-Zionist Jewish friends has helped me think about this. Mostly, I just think we all have the right to be critical of government policies… any government policies… particularly government policies which we are funding.”

(From LET ME STAND ALONE, The Journals of RACHEL CORRIE, pages 225-226)

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 16, 2012 at 3:27 am Link to this comment

Honoring the Memory of RACHEL CORRIE,
          April 10,1979-March 16, 2003

Born in Olympia, Washington, on April 10, 1979, RACHEL CORRIE’s glorious and noble life was violently cut short as she was crushed to death by a fascist Israeli soldier driving an American-made bulldozer, who ran his machine of death over her tender body twice, as she tried to block the demolition of a Palestinian family’s home in the town of Rafah, in the Gaza Strip of bleeding Palestine. She met her tragic death on March 16, 2003.

Since I heard the story of her violent death, on March 16, 2003, RACHEL CORRIE became immediately my number one hero on a short list numbered on the fingers of one hand. For the last few years I’ve been commemorating silently her short glorious life by reading from her Journals, published under the title, LET ME STAND ALONE. However, this year, on the Day of Her Martyrdom, and for the rest of my life, I will be commemorating her noble and glorious life by reproducing selected sections from her writings in whatever forum I can find. For this Son of Palestine, in his mid sixties now,  RACHEL CORRIE is the noble spiritual daughter and young sister whom he only met on the day of her tragic and yet glorious death! Yet, she will always be the person with whom I have the closest affinity, even closer than people of my own blood.

In subsequent posts, I will be sharing with those who care to honor her some of her glorious writings on the cause she adopted and for which she paid the ultimate price of Martyrdom.

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By PatrickHenry, March 16, 2012 at 3:25 am Link to this comment

tic,

PH——when they get blown up setting up rockets and posthumously are lauded
as fighters who were “martyred”.... I’m pretty sure that killing them as just.

Time to check that moral compass of yours you sick fuck.

http://www.kawther.info/wpr/

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By Inherit The Wind, March 15, 2012 at 4:25 am Link to this comment

Kulo:
You missed my point.  “terror” is a terrible tactic, from either side.  Palestinians have wasted resources and lives on pointless attacks on Israeli civilians and so alienate the very people they need to FORCE the Israeli government to back down.

Effective guerrilla war is waged against targets of authority: Military, police, infrastructure, but not against citizenry. Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind, and, Israelis and Palestinians alike are blind now.

Clearly, the IDF has been indiscriminate in their use of force, criminally so.  But since you claimed the Palestinians have no other option that random indiscriminate attacks on Israeli citizens, I take issue with that.  The alternative is NOT to lay down and die. Even if they choose violent response it should be directed to effective targets.

But to argue that the Palestinians are justified in revenge rather than self-defense is destructive to themselves.

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By PatrickHenry, March 14, 2012 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

tic,

Don’t look now but your shill is showing.

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By heterochromatic, March 14, 2012 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

kulo——- I don’t worry about convincing you. My goal is simply to afford you the
opportunity to listen to something other than shoddy reasoning and ill-meshed
propaganda coming what sites that proclaim themselves as offering truth from
establishment propaganda.

the truth is at neither end.

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By heterochromatic, March 14, 2012 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

PH——when they get blown up setting up rockets and posthumously are lauded
as fighters who were “martyred”.... I’m pretty sure that killing them as just.

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By PatrickHenry, March 14, 2012 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

tic,

By what knowledge do you know which Palestinians deserve to be ‘assassinated’?, which ones are ‘killers’?

How do you know the ones killed ‘deserve’ to be killed?

Is it because the Israeli hasbara declared it so?  The IDF that you have ‘no love’ for stated such given the pin point accuracy of their artillary and airstrikes?  None of these deaths was a result of collateral damage?

Did you read the bio’s on each one or interview the relatives to know they were deserving of such a cowardly death?

It is interesting that in all western media all Palestinians killed are either militants or militants with their families.

We are all drowning in media bullshit.

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By kulu, March 13, 2012 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

Thankfully Hetero’s lies and misrepresentations will convince no-one on this site. Too many facts are against him to say nothing about the moral arguments which, on his parts are not absent.

Go somewhere else Hetero, you are, as I said, not going to convince anyone here.

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By heterochromatic, March 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

Oates——they’re called terrorists because they
commit act of terrorism, not because they’re fighting
against injustice.

the Palestinians fought a real war once to prevent
Israel from being established…..they undertook the
war so that Israel would not exist on land that they
thought should all be given into their control.

THAT wasn’t terrorism, that was civil war…......

firing rockets at people civilians living across the
border in Israel isn’t protecting anything. firing an
anti-tank weapon across the border and blowing up a
school bus isn’t protecting anything.

it’s terrorism, perpetrated by goons.

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By Lee Oates, March 13, 2012 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

Or…like American Indians, the Palistinians are fighting for the survival of their lands, religion, and culture, against huge odds.  It seems that any people who fight back against US or Israeli aggression are immediately labled “Terrorist”. [K’wihl H’auusqum Xsgaak). People fighting in Afganistan, Iraq, Vietnam, and soon Iran, are labeled Terrorist for daring to fight back against invading countriea attempting to steal their resources and destroy their cultures.  Who are the real “Terrorist”?

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By Cliff Carson, March 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

Arabian Sinbad

I know that Heterochromatic is a hateful SOB but don’t let the creep upset you.  That’s his game.  Not yours.

I know the Israelis started it as is usually the case.  And keep in mind that as far as Israel and Herto Are concerned.  Palestinians are criminals if they fight back.

The most poignant Newspaper picture I can recall happened several years ago.  A 12 year old Arab boy was using his slingshot to ping an Israeli tank.  That picture made the U S News.

What didn’t make the news was that the Israeli Tank crew cut him to pieces with their machine guns.

This is who you are arguing with when you respond to HETO.

Keep your cool and stay on here with us.

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By heterochromatic, March 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

sob away, slobbad, but the worthless people targeting
civilians randomly with rockets deserve to get their
own slimy asses rocketed to hell.

———

there’s no earthly justification for what they do and
there’s no way to avoid the fact that they’re
criminals.

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By heterochromatic, March 13, 2012 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

kulu——the facts of the matter are that the Palestinians “assassinated” were
killers and that the Palestinians killed were almost all attempting to kill civilians.

neityher you, nor Cliff, nor anyone else is going to be able to make anything
decent out of these Palestinian goon squads.


I’ve no love for the IDF and its tactics but they fight, in this case, people even more
fucking worthless than they.

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By kulu, March 13, 2012 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

hetero,

Sadly your comments fail to acknowledge the facts of the matter as clearly stated in a couple of Cliff Carson’s posts.

Sadly also you fail to mention Israel’s indiscriminate bombing and killing of civilians on a much larger scale than the Palestinians can be accused of.

Sadly, once again, you fail to mention that Israel started this current round of violence by carrying out yet another assassination.

What will it take to stop these international criminals from carrying out their dirty deeds with impunity?

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By heterochromatic, March 13, 2012 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

———-the fascist Zionist regime of fucken Israel, using US made weapons and
evil financial support and complicity, has killed 18 natives.——-


and, sadly,  most of them deserved to be killed…... for firing weapons at civilians
and without caring who would be injured of killed by those weapons…...


cry all the fuck the care to, but what they would have done was done to
them….justly.

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By kulu, March 12, 2012 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment

ITW

“The path to safety or to ruin.  For both the Israelis and the Palestinians, by NOT pursuing war solely as the path to safety, but acting in retribution and vengeance, they plot their own path to ruin.  Both sides.”

I’m not sure this is about revenge at all. On the part of the Israelis it is, as Cliff Carson points out, “just a tactic of the implementation of their goal [of ridding Palestine of the Palestinians] from the beginning.”

On the part of the Palestinians it is a desperate effort to retain some pride in themselves and relevance to the world. What are they to do? Just lie down and die.

Perhaps in the end all the hardships and sacrifices endured by the Palestinians will succeed in turning the tide against Israel and its barbaric efforts to ethnically cleanse the region of its original non- Jewish inhabitants. But for that to happen the people in America will have to force regime change and get rid of their corrupt political apparatus. And for the rest of the West, who fail themselves to put any brakes on the Israeli/US aggression in the area, it (their unquestioning alliance with the two criminal states) will need to become, at the very least an election issue.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 12, 2012 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment

How can you “avenge, in self-defense”.  If you are avenging, it is not self-defense.  If you are acting in self-defense, you are not engaging in vengeance. 

Vengeance is fundamentally stupid and perpetuates atrocities.  Self-defense, by its very name and definition is always justifiable.

Clausewitz said war is diplomacy carried out by other means.  It is cold and immoral, but buried in that is a point: War is NOT for vengeance.

Sun-Tzu said better: The art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is the path to safety or to ruin.

The path to safety or to ruin.  For both the Israelis and the Palestinians, by NOT pursuing war solely as the path to safety, but acting in retribution and vengeance, they plot their own path to ruin.  Both sides.

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By Sodium-Na, March 12, 2012 at 12:02 am Link to this comment

For Cliff Carlson:

Cliff,

OUTSTANDING POSTS,you have presented,indeed: they are cool,informative and accurate. Thank you….....

A day wjll come when the brutal and inhumane Israelis will regret what they have done to the Palestinians,as fellows human beings.I may not see it in my life time. I am too old. But my children or grandchildren will.

Anyone who thinks there is no connection between the Arab Spring and what has been going on in Gaza,Palestine,Iraq,Afghanistan and now Pakistan is a FOOL and knows nothing about Arab history and culture.

The dignity of a human being,any human being,is a precious thing. Keep it under oppression/repression will explode in an unpredictable,astounding and confrontational way. 

It is only a matter of time. Period.

Again,thank you,Cliff,for your OUTSTANDING POSTS.

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By Cliff Carson, March 11, 2012 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

Remember that I pointed out earlier that the expelling of Non-Jews from Palestine is a central tenet of Zionist strategy since before 1900.  The violent massacres of the type we have witnessed in Gaza and the West Bank is just a tactic of the implementation of their goal from the beginning.

The systematic denial of food, clean water, materials to use for farming, areas of farmable land denied to the Palestinians, medicine, heating oil, just about anything of need to the Palestinian people is more of the same is the Israeli way of trying to get the Non-Jews to leave.  From a report by the United Nations concerning what I have just alluded to:

“In July 2003, Jean Ziegler, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, found that Gaza suffered from a humanitarian emergency with severe malnutrition equivalent to that found in poor sub-Saharan countries. Ziegler, a Jew, was ostracized for this report by the Zionist lobby, although he had used sources such as USAID reports.”

The Palestinians are restricted from using almost half the farmable land in the Gaza strip.  Continuing to quote from the report :

“As of June 2009, a total of 46% of agricultural land in the Gaza Strip was assessed to be inaccessible, or out of production, owing to destruction of lands during ‘Cast Lead’ and inaccessible areas lying within the Israeli “security buffer zone”.

Remember “the Security Zone” is on the Palestinian side of the wall and any Palestinian wandering into that zone is shot.  The report continues:

“Only a limited percentage of this land has been rehabilitated due to the blockade that restricts the import of materials and equipment for rehabilitation and access to damaged areas. Farmers in these areas are unable to cultivate and produce goods for consumption or sale, and herders, unable to provide sufficient natural food for their animals, must purchase animal feed at unaffordable prices.

With limited access to agricultural areas, local production has declined and farmers’ livelihoods are increasingly precarious. Food prices have risen considerably since the blockade. Palestinians are less able to afford a healthy, diverse diet that could contribute to better nutrition and health.

Restrictions imposed on the civilian population by the continuing blockade of the Gaza Strip amount to collective punishment, a violation of international humanitarian law. The blockade of Gaza also prevents, or greatly hampers, the exercise by the children, women and men living there of many human rights, including the right to food, the right to an adequate standard of living, the right to work, and the right to the highest attainable standard of health.

As the occupying power, Israel is obliged to ensure the free and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief and must avoid taking measures which impede the full realization by the people of the Gaza Strip of their human rights.”

However for the fourth straight day today, Israel is bombing the Gaza strip.  Back to the report:

“More than half of Palestinian households eat only once per day. Many Palestinians with whom Ziegler met were trying to subsist on bread and tea only.”

And while there is a calamitous fuss going on about Assad fighting an insurrection in Syria, his own country you might remember, there is not a peep being uttered by the powers that be, about the bombing of Gaza, by Israel - the occupier .

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By PatrickHenry, March 11, 2012 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

tic,

Do you mean the food that has finally made its way through the Israeli blockade and numerous searches with the cream of it probably stolen by the Israelis?

The Palestinians have the right to kill everyone of the Israelis who are on occupied land and not because the IDF and the settlers are trying to kill them daily and succeeding.

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By heterochromatic, March 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

and for the price of a single Grad rocket, Hamas could
feed a big bunch of Gazans so that the US wouldn’t have
to pay for the food aid that the US has been providing
to the majority of the population of Gaza ....for
decades.

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By Lee Oates, March 11, 2012 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

Re Cliff Carson.  Thanks for the useful information. Powerfully put.

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By Cliff Carson, March 11, 2012 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

I failed to include this from the report on funding money and weapons to Israel in my previous comment.

“With the same amount of money that the U.S. gives each year to fund weapons for Israel, the federal government could instead fund affordable housing vouchers for 350,000 low-income families, or green jobs training for 500,000 unemployed workers, or early reading programs for 900,000 at-risk students, or primary health care to 24 million people without insurance,” according to the report.”

I think this is highly illustrative of the foot placed on the neck of the American taxpayer by the servants of the 1%, those servants being our elected Congress.

One of the reasons the Politicians rush to prostrate themselves before the Golden Calf of Israel is that without the support of the Israeli influence provided by the likes of AIPAC and the Main Stream Media which is majority owned by Jewish factions, the National Politician has no chance of being supported by the National Media.  Failure to get that AOK from AIPAC is somewhat akin to the kiss of death to the politician.

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By Cliff Carson, March 11, 2012 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

I found this when digging down thru some of the referenced links.  I thought it interesting when thinking of the profound impact of the Israeli Lobby power.  The people of America are indeed subjects of a power greater than our Government, something I have often referred to as the Shadow Government, the 1%, The International Financial Cabal, etc. 

When mentioning these descriptive names, you find that the Trolls come out of the woodwork to stifle any intelligent discussion about the actual impact the Israeli influence has over the everyday lives of ordinary Americans.  Excerpt from “U.S. Weapons Claiming Palestinian Lives, Group Says” by David Elkins, 3-7-2012 reported in IPS.  Actually in the article also you will find that the lives are not just Palestinian, they include American:

“Between the years 2000 and 2009, the U.S. transferred “more than 670 million weapons, rounds of ammunition, and related equipment”, according to the report.

During the same period, “Israel killed at least 2,969 unarmed Palestinians, including 1,128 children, often with U.S. weapons in violation of the Foreign Assistance Act and Arms Export Control Act.”

The Foreign Assistance Act, signed into law in 1961, stipulates that “no security assistance may be provided to any country the government of which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.”

The upshot is that American Laws mean nothing when the Israeli influence is concerned.

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By truedigger3, March 11, 2012 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

Re:By Inherit The Wind, March 10 at 8:45 pm

ITW,

Your accusations are baseless and I will not waste time writing back and forth with you. Yes, TROLLS irritate me and “multi-different-colors” is a TROLL on a mission to disrupt, obfuscate, mislead and waste peoples’ time and energy. 
You are not a TROLL and that is a good point in your record but you have the very bad habit of puting words in peoples’ mouths that they didn’t say.

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By Sodium-Na, March 10, 2012 at 10:48 pm Link to this comment

Without legally forcing AIPAC to register as a lobby for a foreign power,(Israel),AIPAC will remain as powerful as ever in the Halls of Congress of the United States and the cowardly congresspersons will meekly do what AIPAC dictates. This is a fact of life in the city of Washington DC. 

Neither Chris Hedges,whose writings I profoundly admire,nor the rest of you,who sincerely want to see a constructive change of policy for the better in the Middle East,can do anything to alter the above obvious fact.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 10, 2012 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

TD3:
The fact that you think I love Mossad, or defend EVERYTHING about Israel regardless of their actions merely reinforces my view of you.

I actually HATE the Likud and Netanyahu and think they are the most dangerous threat to Israel.

You, OTOH, hate the IDEA of Israel completely and want it turned into another Syria—which even the Syrians don’t want.

You may be 70, but I’m 56 and have been around the world, too, so I’m not a young kid.  My OPINION and my personal ASSESSMENT of you is that you are a bully who doesn’t like it when people don’t agree with him.  That’s why you tell people to “go away” when they say stuff you don’t like.

Being 70 doesn’t give you the right to tell people to shut up and not post what they think.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 10 at 8:29 am

ITW wrote addressing me:

“TD3:

I may not agree with much of Heterochomatic’s posts at all but you have no business calling ANYONE’s posts “stupid””.
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ITW,
I didn’t Call “mandydifferentcolors” stupid, but I called him heartless, cruel and devoid of any compassion which is true because of his blind support of cruel and inhumane Israel. Now I hope you dig!!

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By truedigger3, March 10, 2012 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, March 10 at 8:29 am

ITW wrote adressing me:
“TD3:
Still the dimmest bulb in the chandelier, I see!”
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ITW,
I am 70 years old who have been around and travelled most of the world and I know what I am talking about.
You are calling me a dim bulb exposes how blind and emotionally attached to your cruel and inhumane Israel.
Please, don’t send your beloved Mossad after me.

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By KANUEAR-KANUC (CAN YOU HEAR - CAN YOU SEE), March 10, 2012 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment
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Everybody here has a lot to learn and a shorter time than you think to learn. Can’t say I didn’t try!! But have fun verbally ego tripin’ and stompin’ on each other. I’m out of here.

RIP

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By PatrickHenry, March 10, 2012 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

“There is no moral distinction between a drone strike and the explosion of the improvised explosive device, between a suicide bombing and a targeted assassination.”

So very true as all of these instances of death are command controlled and premeditated.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 10, 2012 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

TD3:
Still the dimmest bulb in the chandelier, I see!

And when somebody says something you don’t like, like a grammar school bully you say “Shut up!” and “Get out of here!”

I may not agree with much of Heterochomatic’s posts at all but you have no business calling ANYONE’s posts “stupid”.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, March 10, 2012 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

Justin claims, “There is no commons.”

Water?  Air?  Grazing land?  Disease is not a common liability?  General education is not a common asset?  Infrastructure, from aquedusts to the ‘grid’ to the www.  It’s worth considering.

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By truedigger3, March 10, 2012 at 4:15 am Link to this comment

heterochromatic, March 9 at 1:38 pm


why truffledigger—that wasn’t a nice thing to say and I’m NOT going to be your friend.
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manycolours,
It is amazing that you are asking me why?? Well because you are heatless and cruel and have no compassion whatsoever in your heart. Who told you that I want to be your friend. I don’t want to be your friend until you see the light and have some compassion in your heart

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By Hmmmmmmmmm, March 9, 2012 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

Damn you, Chris Hedges *shakes fist*

I was just getting cozy with the thought that the zionists were all to blame for the
palestinian demoralization… ready to lambaste them at any opportunity… and you’ve
ruined it all again with that brilliant cranium of yours.

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By Lee Oates, March 9, 2012 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

Well written and quite true Chris. If the general population fails to strongly object to this maddness of war and violence, then our own destruction is only a matter of time.  The same goes for the health of our earth, if we fail to act against the monsters destroying our environment for profit, the species itself is well on the way to extinction.

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By heterochromatic, March 9, 2012 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

maybe, Troy, people disagree with what you’re saying because they think that
you’re quite incorrect.

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By heterochromatic, March 9, 2012 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

why truffledigger—that wasn’t a nice thing to say and I’m NOT going to be your
friend.

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By truedigger3, March 9, 2012 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

Re: By heterochromatic, March 8 at 7:50 pm Link
Then Fuck you heartles cruel Zionist piece of shit.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, March 9, 2012 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

Justin neglects a key point regarding Rome, the obsession with ‘self’, hubris, and unhealthy obsession with private property to the point of complete disregard for the ‘commons’.

Additionally, you (Justin) neglect to identify the ‘external’ pathogen.  I agree with those who say it is a cancer, internal.  This is applicable to the Roman parallel.

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By Troy Davis, March 9, 2012 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

Folks, Hetero is the classic example of the manifestation of the psychological phenomenon known as “projection”.

Suffering horribly from low self-esteem, feelings of inadequacy and insecurity, hetero “projects” all of the feelings he cannot cope with onto others in his posts by attacking those who disagree with him and attributing to them every quality that he finds distasteful within himself.

It is a well established fact that without confirmation in the form of a response from those whom he attacks, he suffers immeasurable feelings of lack of self-worth and is driven to greater and greater heights of depravity to overcome his feelings of inferiority that otherwise overwhelm him and force him to engage in vitriolic attacks upon anyone who disagrees with him.

Hetero is disagreeable merely for the temporary relief it provides to him from all of those previously stated reasons. Without disagreement he must face his own demons, acknowledge his own neurosis and work to overcome it.

People who use “projection” rarely if ever achieve the level of self-awareness necessary to achieve self-enlightenment and overcome their disorder.

Let him rant and rave, and merely ignore him.  He will soon turn to other sources for his vitriol.

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By KANUEAR-KANUC, March 9, 2012 at 12:42 am Link to this comment
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THIS BRINGS SUCH HUMOR TO ME…. AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE “EVERYONE WILL KILL EVERYONE”. ALL HAVE EYES BUT CANNOT SEE! CONTINUE ON FOOLS…..

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By Cliff Carson, March 8, 2012 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

kulu, March 7 at 7:19 pm

“Now perhaps hetero and some others will stop their desperate attempts to rewrite history for us. If not we should now ignore them.”

No kulu, they will not stop their blather.  They are not on the Site to engage in intelligent conversations, they are only on here to harass those who do want to exchange ideas and factual information. 

It is easy to say that you should ignore a fly buzzing around you, but it is a difficult thing to do.  There are some on every site.  Always has been and always will be.

Right at first I though Herto was a Troll, then after a few back and forth between us, I could see he wasn’t very good Troll material, not the sharpest knife in the drawer for sure.  And I was demeaning myself trying to converse with him.  I decided to ignore him.

What stumps me is how the people of American continue to put up with the Shadow Government and by association our own Government.

David (David J. Cyr, March 8 at 4:43 am” gave a superb contrast of the Jewish morality vs Zionist immorality but the fate of the Palestinians is determined by people who adopt a ho-hum attitude to the genocide being committed by the Governments of two Nations that contain ethical and moral people who are in the majority.

Yet these moral and ethical largely stand by and let the criminal Governments pillage and murder.  These people accept that Israel and America are exceptionally blessed by God.  They are not.

America has been in 70+ actions against people around the world since WWII ( Not a one of these Nations attacked America) Yet we have stood by while our Government is responsible for an estimated 30 million deaths as a result of those incursions since WWII.

Are those who stand by and do nothing while millions are being brutalized THE PROBLEM, or just part of the problem?

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By heterochromatic, March 8, 2012 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

then don’t bitch and moan that i didn’t reply to your question, truffledigger.

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By heterochromatic, March 8, 2012 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

——-” “There is no moral distinction between a drone strike and the explosion of
the improvised explosive device, between a suicide bombing and a targeted
assassination.””


is an obvious oversimplification amounting to a falsehood.

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By David J. Cyr, March 8, 2012 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment

RE: “And we also vote our own sons and daughters to the battlefield. The nations that support us do the same.”
______________________

Well, the working poor Republican voters dumbly do.

But the comfortably affluent depraved Democrat voters vote for poor people to wage the wars of aggression for them.

The liberals’ “Dream Act” is designed to fill the body bags with brown bodies.

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By katsteevns, March 8, 2012 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

“People who casually and callously vote for the corporate (R) & (D) party’s perpetual wars of aggression are far too comfortable to be able to imagine how horrible the lives are of those they vote to collective punish, torture, and murder for profit… lives so horrible that in their desperation they turn their babies into bombs.”

And we also vote our own sons and daughters to the battlefield. The nations that support us do the same.

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By David J. Cyr, March 8, 2012 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

QUOTE, Chris Hedges:

“There is no moral distinction between a drone strike and the explosion of the improvised explosive device, between a suicide bombing and a targeted assassination.”
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The drone strike and the targeted assassination are the profoundly immoral and cowardly acts of a technologically advantaged aggressor nation.

The improvised explosive device and the suicide bombing are usually a targeted poor people’s desperate defenses against the aggressors.

People who casually and callously vote for the corporate (R) & (D) party’s perpetual wars of aggression are far too comfortable to be able to imagine how horrible the lives are of those they vote to collective punish, torture, and murder for profit… lives so horrible that in their desperation they turn their babies into bombs.

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By heterochromatic, March 8, 2012 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

tru——there are some people that are crazy or ignorant .....I talk make the effort
to talk to them.


some folks show nothing beyond juvenile and stupid…... write better comment if
you want to discuss

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By heterochromatic, March 8, 2012 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

St Davy——that’s merely bullshit. There is no eingle “JewisH” position, any more
than there is a Christian position, or an Islamic one.

a 10 year old should no better than that crap.


you make no sense when your head’s so dense.

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By David J. Cyr, March 8, 2012 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

Jewish position:

“Human life is sacred and human rights are not to be denied by those who would subvert them for ‘national security’ or for any other reason.”
— G. J. Neuberger, a member of Neturei Karta

Zionist position:

“I love the peace process. I hope it lasts for a hundred years.”
— Ariel Sharon

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By heterochromatic, March 7, 2012 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment

St Davy—-putting up quotes from Neturei Karta is only slightly less impressive
than quoting Orly Taitz or the Reverend Ian Paisley


quoting some head case is a waste of space

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By David J. Cyr, March 7, 2012 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

“If one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist;
if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew.”
— G. J. Neuberger, a member of Neturei Karta

The Great Gulf Between Zionism and Judaism:

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/greatgulf.cfm

Finkelstein - Deutschland Uber Alles:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/deutschland-uber-alles/

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By heterochromatic, March 7, 2012 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

CC=== unfortunately, having a plan ascribed to by
some of the Zionists,,,,,isn’t anything more than
having a plan ascribed to by some of the Zionists.

it’s not equivalent to actually DOING anything and
having a plan isn’t felonious or a breech of the
peace.

the Grand Mufti had a plan and it clearly stated that
Jews would be allowed to constitute no more than 7%
of the population.

that too was neither felonious nor a breech of the
peace.

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plans are not actions….....

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By kulu, March 7, 2012 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

Thank you Cliff for putting that early history down so neatly. I always knew the Zionist story was untrue but did not have a clear picture of the early history surrounding the conflict.

Now perhaps hetero and some others will stop their desperate attempts to rewrite history for us. If not we should now ignore them.

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By Cliff Carson, March 7, 2012 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

I have read several different versions or thoughts concerning the plight of the Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli’s on this thread.

So here is an excerpt from a site presented by “Jews for Justice” and the link is furnished below.  What this will show is that the Zionist plan to dispossess the people of Palestine in its totality was drawn up before 1900 and had really picked up steam by the 1920’s.  By that time Zionists Guerrilla forces were waging a brutal terrorist campaign against the Arabs in Palestine.

There are many hours worth of reading emanating from this site.  Since the basic source is Jewish hopefully those who do read this History will be reminded of a great injustice done to an innocent people, who ultimately became blamed as the instigators of the violence.  The excerpt:


“The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent Antisemitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).”

http://ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

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By kulu, March 7, 2012 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

What beats me is that no-one in the Administration has the guts to stand up to Israel. Obama is a gutless wonder whatever way you look at it - not only on the Israel question.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 7, 2012 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

Hi A.S.
I’m terrified that the crazy Likud that, without a majority, or even a plurality took over the Israeli government will start a stupid and unnecessary war with Iran.  And why?  I think there are two parts:
1) To force the USA into the situation, like WWI all over again.
2) To put Obama in an untenable position that bolsters the Republican nominee enough to win in November.  Likud does not like Democrats, ever since Jimmy Carter jawboned them into a deal with Egypt.

Is this rational? Is this in the best interests of Israel from a realpolitik POV?  I don’t see how it can be.

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By PatrickHenry, March 7, 2012 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

Actually jews lived peaceably with arabs until 1880 when european jews started buying land in Palestine and began hiring other Jews to run the properties.

The beginning of known discriminatory hiring, it continues today in media, hollywood and banking.

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By heterochromatic, March 7, 2012 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

truedonkey===== the immigrant Jews were living pretty
peacefully with the Arabs until the Arabs starting the
killing.

you could open a book or something instead of talking
crap.

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 7, 2012 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

By David J. Cyr, March 7 at 2:02 pm

Fascism continues to succeed in seducing “democratic” majorities into regularly providing it popular vote mandates, because fascists have written the history that the majorities read.
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Great post David Cyr! You hit the nail on its head in your analysis of the fascist genesis of Israel.

Unless we get here in America at least 50% of people thinking soberly, freely and straight, based on real knowledge and critical thinking, we will continue to be enslaved by the 1% ignorant, greedy and merchants of death economic-political-military elites!

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By heterochromatic, March 7, 2012 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

St Davy,,, the European Jews who came to Palestine did
choose to live there peacefully, but when they were
granted sovereignty of a small part of the land, they
no longer had a chance to live in peace.

you’re ignoring that…..foolishly.

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By David J. Cyr, March 7, 2012 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

Fascism continues to succeed in seducing “democratic” majorities into regularly providing it popular vote mandates, because fascists have written the history that the majorities read.

If European Jews wanting to live in Palestine had chosen to live there peacefully together with Palestinians, in Palestine, then the world wouldn’t have an ever expansionist state Israeli Problem.

Israel was created by the coalition of fascists who won WWII, because they didn’t want all the Jews who survived the death camps to live in peace within their victorious nations… having a clever use for them when forcefully installed where they could become a perpetual cause for conflict near oil.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, March 7, 2012 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

Sinbad,
With respect to your requirement for me to prove this: “However, you failed to come up with an example of a massive, historical atrocity committed by official Islam against other faith groups.” 

You make Islam a straw man for fanaticism.  That is why I don’t address it.  I’m not sure how the spread of Islam went in the middle ages, but I assume it was as bloody as other religiously fueled conquests, but that is completely irrelevant. 

No, I have no problem with Islam, it’s the fanatics I have a problem with.  Christian, Jewish, Muslim, I care not who, fanatics are a problem worldwide.  the middle east has it’s fair share, do you recognize that?  Given the rhetoric of Ahmadinejad, he’s close enough to fanatics.  This in no way absolves anybody in the west, or Israel.  Netanyahu is as close to fanatics as Ahmadinejad.  So is Obama.  But why add another nuclear player to the situation?  It can’t end well.

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 7, 2012 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

To John Best as a follow-up to my previous comment:

“You’re one of the owners of the proverbial pot that’s calling the kettle black!”

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 7, 2012 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

By John Best asks, “What IS Progress”?, March 7 at 7:07 am

“Can war exist without religion?  I don’t think it would thrive without it.  I think it’s a constant of history.  Yes, the BS of religion is the fertilizer that makes hate and war grow and thrive.”

“Until mankind can solve this fundamental problem, the use of religion to justify mass atrocity, there should be fewer nukes every year, not more.”
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John Best,

I agree that “there should be fewer nukes every year, not more.” And the way to achieve that is for those who have nukes and are on record as using them to be banned from civilized society till they dismantle them. You know what I mean!

However, you line of thought and reasoning beyond that point is an exercise in acrobatic and cursive, thought and and not straight, honest thinking.

Again, to proof your point that religion can be used by evil and fanatic humans, with which I agree, you managed only to come up with two examples from the West; namely The Inquisition and the Crusades, whose victims were Jews and Muslims. Yet in terms of the number of its victims and level of destruction, both the Inquisition and the Crusades pale in comparison with the Americans wars alone.

However, you failed to come up with an example of a massive, historical atrocity committed by official Islam against other faith groups.

Yet, you insist on saying,“Can war exist without religion?  I don’t think it would thrive without it. Yes, the BS of religion is the fertilizer that makes hate and war grow and thrive.” And at the same time you failed to address the issue of why Democratic Nazi Germany, Democratic Britain and Democratic Israel and the West, in general, with its two World Wars, have committed much more than any religious-based war known in human history.

Since you failed to address this question, I am going to answer it it for you: It’s crude, chauvinist nationalism with lack of moral compass and materialist greed which was and will always be the main source of all wars and all evil in the world. Look yourself in the mirror and you’ll see the abyss reflected in it, not Iran, which, in its long modern history never started a war against a neighbor, let alone against a manufactured foe living thousands of miles away in a different continent!

In your fanatic secularism you still see Iran as the center of the problem simply because they have chosen to call their modern country “The Islamic Republic of Iran.”

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By balkas, March 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

as far as i know, there is no evidence let alone proof that palestinians have expelled
from palestine even one jew.
however, historians tell us that both the jews and nonjews of palestine, having lived in
peace and mutual respect for one another for 2k yrs, have opposed coming immoral
colonial war and immigration of nonjews into palestine.
after the ww2, there was no reason whatever why europeans with talmudic cult, which
rejected judaism, would leave germany, poland, romania and other european countries
and launch a spree of murderous actions against people who may lived in excanaan for
millennia, except their murderous nature, intent, and enormous millennial hatred for
everything nontalmudic.

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