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Posted on Nov 8, 2010
AP / Matt York

By Chris Hedges

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We are ruled by huge corporate monopolies that replicate the political and economic power, on a vastly expanded scale, of the old trading companies of the 17th and 18th centuries. Wal-Mart’s gross annual revenues of $250 billion are greater than those of most small nation-states. The political theater funded by the corporate state is composed of hypocritical and impotent liberals, the traditional moneyed elite, and a disenfranchised and angry underclass that is being encouraged to lash out at the bankrupt liberal institutions and the government that once protected them. The tea party rabble, to placate their anger, will also be encouraged by their puppet masters to attack helpless minorities, from immigrants to Muslims to homosexuals. All these political courtiers, however, serve the interests of the corporate state and the utopian ideology of globalism. Our social and political ethic can be summed up in the mantra let the market decide. Greed is good. 

The old left—the Wobblies, the Congress of Industrial Workers (CIO), the Socialist and Communist parties, the fiercely independent publications such as Appeal to Reason and The Masses—would have known what to do with the rage of our dispossessed. It used anger at injustice, corporate greed and state repression to mobilize Americans to terrify the power elite on the eve of World War I. This was the time when socialism was not a dirty word in America but a promise embraced by millions who hoped to create a world where everyone would have a chance. The steady destruction of the movements of the left was carefully orchestrated. They fell victim to a mixture of sophisticated forms of government and corporate propaganda, especially during the witch hunts for communists, and overt repression. Their disappearance means we lack the vocabulary of class warfare and the militant organizations, including an independent press, with which to fight back.

We believe, like the Spaniards in the 16th century who pillaged Latin America for gold and silver, that money, usually the product of making and trading goods, is real. The Spanish empire, once the money ran out and it no longer produced anything worth buying, went up in smoke. Today’s use in the United States of some $12 trillion in government funds to refinance our class of speculators is a similar form of self-deception. Money markets are still treated, despite the collapse of the global economy, as a legitimate source of trade and wealth creation. The destructive power of financial bubbles, as well as the danger of an unchecked elite, was discovered in ancient Athens and detailed more than a century ago in Emile Zola’s novel “Money.” But we seem determined to find out this self-destructive force for ourselves. And when the second collapse comes, as come it must, we will revisit wrenching economic and political tragedies forgotten in the mists of history.

Chris Hedges, who writes a weekly column for Truthdig, is the author of “Death of the Liberal Class.”

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By LocalHero, December 29, 2010 at 5:13 am Link to this comment

Nice try garth, but your uncle was just another brainwashed jar-head who, I’m afraid, died for the same lousy reasons and stupid platitudes as all the other brainwashed jar-heads down through the centuries. He was grist for the slaughterhouse and you can bet somebody made a dump-truck full of money off him just like all the others.

You need to read Rethinking the Good War (at least!)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance181.html

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By Orbis Unum, November 23, 2010 at 2:51 am Link to this comment

I have enjoyed my absence from the mundane idiocracy of the presumptuous intelligentsia’s lack of either posters or columnist herein, to ever be capable or willing to offer valid and real solution oriented paradigms for those who happen upon this forum for whatever reason.

I wholeheartedly believe their all perfect for their condition. And most assuredly perfect for further conditioning of their Orwellian sanity, to wit:

“George Orwell, 1984:

“You are a slow learner, Winston,” said O’Brien gently.

“How can I help it?” he blubbered.

“How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.”

“Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three.

Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”

Having said all this for your betterment as a reminder of what lays down the path of subjugation, please, do not consider any retort to my reappearance food for insolence. And, just as a side bar before the Court of Humanity, let it be known that I will not respond to any individual posters herein. Due to the fact that most are incapable of envisioning further perfecting their perfect condition of subjugation to greater enlightenment to do otherwise.

I know I shouldn’t ask nor give such considerations from or for lessor natures. But one can only hope for the best, while expecting the worst, and while always planning the for the rest for those capable of the best!

In support of the best aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

We honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By archivesDave, November 22, 2010 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

garth:
“These are things that Ed Schultze of radio fame
don’t comprehend.  And he’s the best of what we have
speaking for us.  We are in deep trouble.”

DEEP trouble??? ...FAR worse than that if you hold
any faith at all in that bag of wind who is as full
of s#*t as Rush Limbaugh!  Schultz wouldn’t know a
Globalist ShadowMaster if they showed up at his
funeral! He’s shoveling the same crap as the Right is
to their ‘choir’!
And speaking of the last ‘good’ war, here is a must
see video clip about Smedley Butler, a HIGHLY
decorated Marine Corps Major General:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0

(and if TD cuts off part of the URL link which they
often do, go to youtube and search “Smedley Butler”)

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By garth, November 22, 2010 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment

I think that the “Recipe for Fascism” has aleady been cooked and is ready to serve.

If you listen to the supposedly left-wing talk shows, even they are sounding like it’s all right to cut short someone else’s rights for ‘my’ safety.

Chalmers Johnson, who died last Saturday, said it best, when militarism takes hold; this Democracy and this Republic will fail.

The next step will be a broom sweep to Fascism.

They’ve done it. Locally, statewide, Federally, you name it.

They’ve reduced it all to argument. 

Freedom versus what? And at what costs?

Communal responibility:  Turns into: What’s the best business model?

Public Welfare:  This gem equals personal responsibility. (Kick ‘em when they’re down. It’s incentive, after all.)

These are things that Ed Schultze of radio fame don’t comprehend.  And he’s the best of what we have speaking for us.  We are in deep trouble.

That last soldier to die for our freedom was my uncle, Frank, in World War II.  All the other wars were for some other reason: Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II, Pakistan, Yemen. 

It ain’t gonna end.  Let’s face it and short-circuit it.


So to a Mildred in Oklahoma who says that her sons are in Afghanistan risking their lives for freedom, I have to ask, “Did you ever stick you finger in someone’s eye and expect to pull out a plum?

Do you want you sons to be alive or to be ‘heroes’?

I’m tellin ya, there’s only so much of this shit I can take.

Selah

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By archivesDave, November 22, 2010 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

keeperofthefire:
“tell me,all you long winded,gobbygooks,have any of
you ever spent any time ,like protestesting or
actually doing some thing about this insane
government/wallstreet?????”
Weellll Mr ‘Highhorse’...did u ever consider there
are THOUSANDS of ways to ‘protest’ every day:  Buying
locally, warning against GM foods, toxic food
additives, environmental toxins, boycotting
McFrankenfoods, ConAgra, Monsanto, and yes,
responding in articles like this.
You sound a little elitist to me.

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By PhreedomPhan, November 21, 2010 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

Have you?

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By keeperofthefire, November 21, 2010 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

tell me,all you long winded,gobbygooks,have any of you ever spent any time ,like protestesting or actually doing some thing about this insane government/wallstreet?????

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By Anarcissie, November 18, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

tat_moh, November 18 at 8:07 am:

Assuming that we actually ARE digging for the truth on
this site,  the question becomes: When have Righties
pined for a “centralized autocratic government”? ...

In the U.S., probably around World War 2.  Around that time you observe a shift from rightist interest in preserving local authority based on class and wealth to getting involved in the nominally liberal project of building a world empire.  Empires require centralized, autocratic government.

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By tat_moh, November 18, 2010 at 3:07 am Link to this comment

Assuming that we actually ARE digging for the truth on
this site,  the question becomes: When have Righties
pined for a “centralized autocratic government”? which
is the default prerequisite for fascism.  The reality
is,  fascism is a result of Socialism, in fact
socialism leads to one of 2 things… fascism or
communism.  Case in point,  name a Fascist leader who
was a Righty,  ya can’t

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By archivesDave, November 14, 2010 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

PhreedomPhan:
Thanx for the additional info.
Surprisingly I really don’t see a lot of discussion
here or most anywhere else about Albert Pike, Manly
Hall, Nicholas Roerich, Madam Blavatsky, Alice
Bailey, BIS, and Tavistock. 
Youtube does have quite a bit on them via Jordan
Maxwell and David Icke plus excellent coverage on
most of the rest.
I just wonder how long it will take before both
Youtube and Google begin to censor a lot of the
material like this.

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By garth, November 14, 2010 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

“Lloyd English, November 14 at 4:59 am Link to this comment
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I think it might be a really good idea for about a half dozen of the posters here to exchange e addresses and write one another privately and maybe send each other pictures and get together for a bbq.

Maybe save the pictures of the gathering for your facebook pages. “


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Great idea.  I thought that Truthdig should have a convention somewhere.  Have dinner and speakers, make some money.

Each attendee gets a name tag with his or her handle.

Weapons will be checked at the door.  A large police presence, ambulances, first aid and lotsa lawyers, in case anyone wants to press assault and battery charges.

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By PhreedomPhan, November 14, 2010 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

ArchivesDave:
Thanks, Dave.  I do have some info on the Freemasons, but I don’t see any advantage to exposing them. The vast majority of Masons have no idea what the real agenda is.  Besides, I believe that Freemasonry was not at the center of the drive for One World Government, but was a transmission belt for ideas developed by and/or for the Merchant/Bankers’ “New World Order” to help the monied aristocracy transplant the “Old World Order” - the landed aristocracy.  They dared not publish their plans openly while the old order still had power.  They could have lost their heads.

As it is, it’s extremely difficult to get people to understand the organizations that are more out in the open like the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, Club of Rome, Bilderberg, and others.  Unlike the Masons, I would bet the majority of members know the agenda, but their membership is strictly limited.  Why talk of Masonry when most people seem to see no harm in an organization like the CFR, whose membership has never exceeded 15 ten thousandths of 1% of the population, controlling the media, the colleges and universities, and every administration since FDR and maybe ever further back?

I don’t know how closely you looked at the world map in “New World Order – Death of America,” but there is something that’s right out in the open to see.  You might be amazed at the rationalizations I’ve heard to dismiss it.  “It’s a Stalinist map.”  That from a Bucks County PA history “teacher.” He ignored that it was published in Philadelphia and that the consolidations shown would not likely have been Soviet strategy.  “That’s history.  It doesn’t mean anything today,” from a poster in an internet discussion group.  A college professor who has been featured on the internet called it, “A pipe dream.”  Even the vaunted Daniel Estulin, Bilderberg “expert,” told me in an email exchange that he heard that the map was a fake that had been developed in the 1960’s.  When I pointed out to him that it had been received by the Library of Congress in February of 1942, I received no further reply.

The main reason I haven’t written about the other organizations you mentioned is that there is already much info about them on the internet written by much better writers than I.  As I say in the Table of Contents, my original purpose for creating the blogs was to present info and ideas not as readily available on the I-net.

BTW, if you are interested in archives, I think you might find the following excellent sources:

http://www.pennsylvaniacrier.com/
This represents a drop in the bucket of the collection of a man named Ed Balajeski.  Ed is what I call a conspiracy watcher.  He spent most of his adult life collecting documents, books, clippings, etc. on the “non-existent” conspiracy.  When I knew him he had a 40’ basement filled with this info.  From the stairs on, one long wall was filled with bookcases and an occasional file cabinet.  The other long wall was similarly lined to the full length, as was the back wall.  Between was an island of file cabinets back to back for access from both aisles.  Everything was filed to overflowing.  Much of this he accumulated himself and much he had inherited from a Philadelphia woman named Helen Somers who had also been a conspiracy watcher through much of her adult life.

http://www.americandeception.com/
This is quite a collection of books and documents put together by the son of Charlotte Iserbyt.  He was concerned by the disappearance of much history so he compiled this to preserve it.

I regret that another site, Yamaguchy.netfirms, that had contained many out of print books and documents on history and money is now defunct.  I’m going to ask the person who did the scanning and OCRing if he would mind if I put them up in Google documents.  These books have to be preserved if truth is to be resurrected after sites like this have succeeded in burying it.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 14, 2010 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

If you tread the sky without listening to the wind and rain, you will fall like an eagle that has lost its aerie.
A trout may love a bluebird, but where will they share their nest?
The fighting stars indicate spring and bring the navigator to the holy island.
Only a mad scorpion stings itself.

It’s not the fall that kills you. It’s the sudden stop.

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By archivesDave, November 14, 2010 at 6:57 am Link to this comment

PhreedomPhan:
Good on you for your excellent website info.
I would suggest however that you do some further
research on Freemasonry luminaries, (Albert Pike,
Manly Hall, etc), Tavistock, IMF, BIS, IMF, g20,
WTO, etc.
They are all an integral piece of the now here Global
Order.

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By Lloyd English, November 13, 2010 at 11:59 pm Link to this comment
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I think it might be a really good idea for about a half dozen of the posters here to exchange e addresses and write one another privately and maybe send each other pictures and get together for a bbq.

Maybe save the pictures of the gathering for your facebook pages.

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By PhreedomPhan, November 13, 2010 at 11:45 pm Link to this comment

Does Hedges actually get paid for this drivel?

When socialism, morally bankrupt in any of its forms, produces the inevitable economic bankruptcy, and that in turn produces the equally inevitable police state, the socialists deny what they created and cry “Fascism!”

Here are some real world facts I’ve accumulated and some of my own take on them:

http://phreedomphan-lostliberty.blogspot.com/
http://phreedomphan-americasenemies.blogspot.com/

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By Orbis Unum, November 13, 2010 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

Re: TAO Walker, November 14 at 1:55 am.

You state: ““Orbis Unum” again confirms this Old Savage’s suspicion that under the S.E.A. regime neither the Deer nor the Antelope nor any of the rest of us who don’t conform to those “self”-selected characteristics laid-out below, are going to have any “vote” on whether or not we’ll be lumped-in with the “resources” relegated involuntarily to satisfying the bottomless appetites of those prospective sixty billions of “civilized individuals.”  At-least that is what emerges from yet another blizzard of ersatz legalistic boilerplate in HRH’s latest post.”

Response: If this is what ‘TAO Walker’ has honestly garnered from both the responses to his queries and the declarations repeatedly proffered for review, then all that can be said, is that the ‘Old Savage’ is truly perfect for their condition of subjugation. Of course, until proven otherwise.

Individuals, singularly or collectively, find it hard to face their duty upon the Watchtower of self-determination in support of self-evident principles, ‘that all men are by nature are equally free and independent, and have certain unalienable rights, of which, when they enter into a State of Society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety,’ but the responsibility of our present and future generations doesn’t change just because the truth is hard to face!

As evidenced of those who have faced and sacrificed for years to peel away the programming of misrepresentation by social role models most have paid dearly one way or the other to expose, we offer the truth of the matter via the “4” declarations espoused by the S.E.A., published via the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah, available for those honestly looking for researching the truth, in the interest of Good Will with All Walks of Life seeking Universal Peace and solution oriented paradigms to the problems of systemic fraud.
We honorably await any evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised within the Universal Declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!
And once again, as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By TAO Walker, November 13, 2010 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

“Orbis Unum” again confirms this Old Savage’s suspicion that under the S.E.A. regime neither the Deer nor the Antelope nor any of the rest of us who don’t conform to those “self”-selected characteristics laid-out below, are going to have any “vote” on whether or not we’ll be lumped-in with the “resources” relegated involuntarily to satisfying the bottomless appetites of those prospective sixty billions of “civilized individuals.”  At-least that is what emerges from yet another blizzard of ersatz legalistic boilerplate in HRH’s latest post. 

Again, thanks but no-thanks….

HokaHey!

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By Orbis Unum, November 13, 2010 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

Re: TAO Walker, November 13 at 10:49 pm.

You state: “—Who, under the S.E.A regime, decides which among all us Lifeforms here are designated mere “resources,” and thus determines who therefore gets to exploit the rest of us in what ways for what purposes?”

Response: The answer to who, in terms to whatever, referencing any outcome or resource usage, is predicated upon the Variation by Agreement, and thereafter individually unanimous universal and/or direct electoral prerogative, which each member sovereign e’state exercises to abstain or advance any prerogative. Neither a majority or otherwise may enforce upon the sovereign individuality, any mandate not freely adopted.

All the above stated subject matter is clearly revealed with the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah; excepting the foundational Variation by Agreement and the Treaty of Peace. For reasons earlier stated through previous postings…lack of space according to the web link’s own terms.

We honorably await any evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised within the Universal Declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

And once again, as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By Orbis Unum, November 13, 2010 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

Re: TAO Walker, November 13 at 10:49 pm.

You state: “—Is what English-speakers call “freedom” in any way essential to the natural health of our Form and so also to the adequate fulfillment of our Function?”

Response: It is with out a doubt, that if what is deemed freedom as espoused with the Universal Declaration on Four freedoms were to completely disappear from the mental mainstay of daily educational and judicial contemplation, society as we know it would inevitable implode upon itself, the end result would be oblivion.

For this reason we continue our suggestions and/or challenge throughout voluminous postings herein, one only has to avail themselves of facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

We honorably await any evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised within the Universal Declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

And once again, as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By Orbis Unum, November 13, 2010 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

Re: TAO Walker, November 12 at 11:34 pm.

You state: “—What is the natural Organic Form of Humanity in-keeping with our given Organic Function?”

Response: Any form which is multiversally supportive of the unalienable rights to which the Law’s of Nature and Nature’s Creator entitle them.

To review in detail was this entails please review my continuing suggestions and/or challenge throughout voluminous postings herein, to avail yourselves of facts we present via the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

We honorably await any evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised within the Universal Declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

And once again, as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By TAO Walker, November 13, 2010 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

So it turns-out to be the “goal” of the S.E.A. regime to cram another 50-plus BILLION tame Two-leggeds in here, with the insane expectation that at some point of theoretically “critical mass” it will magically (or “scientifically” and “technologically” and “rationally,” which comes to the same thing in THE END) CONspire transform our Natural Living Arrangement here into some nightmarish alien version of “heaven-on-earth”?  Somehow this Old Indian just knew “Orbis Unum” was going to say that….or something very like it.

If HRH Arthur Alexander Augustus doesn’t know the answers to the questions posed below, shouldn’t such a highly-developed sense of ‘noblesse oblige’ as he claims to embody (if nothing else) have prompted him to simply, and honestly, admit as much?  Because the thing is, of course, that we’ve had this CONversation before (are having it continually, in fact) with these “home-grown” imperialists/terrorists and their desperate disembodied off-world sponsors.  They were warned in no uncertain terms their cockamamie pyramid scheme would never get off the ground here.  They were cautioned in plain words that this is where “multi-versal” empires come to die.  Actual examples (some still today within Living Memory, others only the stuff of “myth” and “legend” by now) were given freely….to no avail, obviously.

They were told we already have a Way of Life here….one informed and engendered by the Vision of our Mother Earth in conjugal concert with our Father Sun.  So if it was all the same to them, we said, we’d just say NO to their already collapsing “bridge” to the hell they’d long since made of their own place-of-origin.  Just like “(Their) Ford,” though, they were all just damned sure they had “a better idea,” and that they were possessed-of (by?) both the “will” and the “power” to see it fleshed-out here….whether us Natives liked it or not.  Sound familiar?

So to spare “Orbis Unum” the effort of having to generate yet more empty “self”-referential homo domesticus-centric verbiage, in yet another vain attempt to CONvince us to ignore the overwhelming evidence of our own senses, here again (in twenty-five words or less for each query put to him below) is The Way we walk here.

—The given Organic Function of Humanity within our Living Arrangement is as vital components in Earth’s natural immune system.

—The Natural Organic Form commensurate with our Function is called, in English, “community.”

—“Freedom” (to respond as needed to actual Living Conditions) is indeed essential to Community health, and so also to the sufficient fulfillment of our Function.

—His Imperial Majesty can take his kind’s insatiable appetite for “resources” and disappear into the oblivion they’ve been courting damned-near forever….or get a Life with us.  (oops, a couple more than “twenty-five words”)

The imperialists’ “self”-serving, “stick-with-me-baby-and-I’ll-make-you-a-star” schtick is just about the oldest trick in the book….but not quite.  The Old Indian Trick they’ve fallen for goes back all The Way to THE BEGINNING.

....and that’s The Word.

HokaHey!

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By archivesDave, November 13, 2010 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

Bernanke Somewhere in the Twighlight Zone:
This is too funny for words…We gotta keep laughing
or we’ll cry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

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By Inherit The Wind, November 13, 2010 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

Psychobabbler, November 12 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

ITW,

You did not even mention the Dutch yet Dude.
*******************

Nor the Irish…There are SO many ethnic groups to offend!

“Italians hate Yugoslavs,
South Africans hate the Dutch.
And I don’t like anybody very much!”
—The Kingston Trio

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By Orbis Unum, November 12, 2010 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

Re: TAO Walker, November 12 at 11:34 pm.

You state: “—What is the given Organic Function of Humanity, as such, within the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth?”

Response: Beg pardon brethren (those with the breath of life in them, enemy and friend alike!), if I should err to respond in twenty-five (25) or less words appertaining to such heady queries to arrangements and the domain within which such is contemplated.

First of all, All Walks of Life which are self-aware have certain self-evident stewardship responsibilities, for the sole purpose of aspiring to greater perfection thereto, within the planetary, universal, and ultraversal E’State known and unknown, as Creation.

These responsibilities we speak of, may be exercised for the better ordering of their E’States, States, Nations, Kingdoms, and/or such Imperial structures established, as long as they have been founded upon the Science of Right Reason via the self-evident principles to which the Law’s of Nature and Nature’s Creator have entitled them.

The E’State and purpose of the third rock from the Sun, in this particular solar system so to speak, is imminently situated for supporting All Walks of Life for the above-stated reasons. And, to such a degree, that Earth can support All Walks of Life by a larger degree through proper stewardship, than is currently populated today.

For example, Earth could support fifty (50) billion more of the species know as Homo Sapiens (“wise man” or “knowing man”) on less than twenty-five (25) percent of the agrigable land currently used (22%) on planet Earth, while affecting greater return use of the land released from misuse by replanting much need forests as reusable resources.

The increase in population for All Walks of Life, will expand the consciences of All Walks of Life to ever expanding technology advancements, to aspire to the farthest reaches of Creation, while continuing to expand and exercise stewardship, according to the self-evident principles universally.

To do otherwise, for whatever reason, will doom All Walks of Life, to ever decreasing planetary resources, for their failure to abide by the self-evident principles, which the the Law’s of nature and Nature’s Creator have entitled them for self-governance. 

In conclusion, if you think this answer to your first query is appropriate for Homo Sapiens, please forgive us in exercising our Creator-given liberty to express such in more than twenty-five (25) words. As to the rest of your queries. Please ask them one at a time, per posting. I just gernereally can’t be kept to limited count in words to anser such worthy and pondrous questions. Thanks.

And, once again, as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By TAO Walker, November 12, 2010 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment

Perhaps “Orbis Unum” will comment (if possible in twenty-five plain words, or less, each) on a couple of what are (to us surviving free wild Natives) pretty basic features of Life Herownself’s Song ‘n’ Dance here.

—What is the given Organic Function of Humanity, as such, within the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth?

—What is the natural Organic Form of Humanity in-keeping with our given Organic Function?

—Is what English-speakers call “freedom” in any way essential to the natural health of our Form and so also to the adequate fulfillment of our Function?

—Who, under the S.E.A regime, decides which among all us Lifeforms here are designated mere “resources,” and thus determines who therefore gets to exploit the rest of us in what ways for what purposes?

This Old Indian wants to know.

HokaHey!

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By Orbis Unum, November 12, 2010 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

Re: Queenie, November 9 at 12:13 am.

You state: “A revolution doesn’t have to be fought with weapons. It can be won with humor, goodwill, and by having a leader everyone can like. Ventura speaks with the common touch. And for crissake, try a little of that yourself. Geeze, Louise. Not all of us speak highbrow.”

Response: I agree emphatically with your premise that for social changes doesn’t have to take place with violence…if I’m reading your commentary correctly.

As far as Governor Ventura or the common touch, I once again bow in humility for my lack of abilities to be all things to all people. But, what I’ve proposed repetitively, is the opportunity for All Walks of Life to work together for all things abundant and necessary in Life to exist, if we are to act in Good Will in the interest of Universal Peace. Of course, until proven otherwise!

In support of my continuing proffer throughout voluminous postings herein, one only has to avail themselves of facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

We honorably await your evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised within the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

And once again, as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By Psychobabbler, November 12, 2010 at 3:43 am Link to this comment

ITW,

You did not even mention the Dutch yet Dude.

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By Psychobabbler, November 12, 2010 at 3:27 am Link to this comment

I’d say that Orbis Unum is really something. AND NOT OTHERWISE!!! PERIOD!!!!

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By Inherit The Wind, November 11, 2010 at 11:56 pm Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, November 11 at 11:09 pm Link to this comment

Inherit,

At least you didn’t offend the Norwegians.
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Or the Portuguese, Greeks, or Poles.

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By Orbis Unum, November 11, 2010 at 11:48 pm Link to this comment

Re: Spev Dvinko, November 12 at 3:28 am.

You state: “QED.”

Response: Like I have stated before, what could anyone expect from such a diminutive intelligentsia? One might have thought, if one where actually a thinking sort, one might have attempted to prove otherwise!

I won’t presume to entertain why individuals deem it necessary to communicate with such flowering expose of their brilliance. But, not being one who accepts to condemn another for their efforts, we rather exhort them in our patience, to consider seeking further perfection for perfecting their condition. Than to shine were a miner of wisdom would have difficulty seeing otherwise!

In support of my continuing challenge throughout voluminous postings herein, one only has to avail themselves of facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

We honorably await any evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised within the Universal Declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

And once again, as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By Spev Dvinko, November 11, 2010 at 10:28 pm Link to this comment

QED.

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By Orbis Unum, November 11, 2010 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

Re: Spev Dvinko, November 12 at 2:01 am.

You state: “I’m a big Hedges fan, and I’d like to discuss his essays with interested parties without having to wade through all these lunatic proclamations promoting your imaginary world kingdom.”

Response: Whether your a big or little fan of any columnist within the ‘Truthdig’ forum or otherwise, I do not believe I’ve ever posted any ‘lunatic Proclamations’ concerning any imaginary kingdom. Your own belief system is your on prerogative to view and respond to any posting or column, as you please, within certain acceptable public etiquette. 

To date, there have been many ideological exchanges herein, who’ve both responded well to posted ideas, while some ideas have been positive or negative. But all in all, the delivery of ideas or the responses thereto, have been based upon negative connotations in respect to specific posters, instead of commenting about ideas expressed, by responding in romper room fashion. The general accepted ‘Rule’ of behavior, for any real debate of ideas, should avoid if at all possible, derogatory comments about any commenter without just cause, when using specific or general terms to respond to ideas, while avoiding at all cost, dishonorable behavior toward others.

Why? Because, if one wishes to take the time to accept to prove us right or wrong, the ‘Rule’ laid down repeatedly, for legitimate and reasonable dialog, is based upon accepted norms, for the purpose of discovery by jurists universally, honorably seeking the truth of any matter. 

As we have said before, which has been proven over and over to date by the posters herein, beyond any reasonable doubt otherwise, it would seem that individuals seeking solution oriented paradigms or who wish to proffer solutions (per: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah) must be subjected to degradation of character and continuing insolence.

Even though at all times, we have consistently pleaded for reasonable behavior within an alleged forum designed for airing hopefully civilized exchange of ideas.

There are those who persist in their prerogative to pander their form of social behavior as acceptable intelligentsia for the rest of us to follow but in turn offer us no solutions to confront the true issues which face us on a daily basis.
For those of us who wish to remain above their infantile behavior, we must ignore them like spoiled little brats who deserve only our contempt, until they in turn, in our most fervent hope, choose at some put in their lonely and pathetic little lives, to act reasonably; to respect others whose only desire is to proffer respect in return, for respect given!

Again, we honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By Spev Dvinko, November 11, 2010 at 9:01 pm Link to this comment

“In support of my continuing challenge throughout voluminous postings herein, one only has to avail themselves of facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.
Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!”

Orbis Unum,

I’m sorry I was critical of you in an earlier post; I thought you were mentally competent.  I visited the web link you endlessly promote in your posts, and now I understand you’re completely, wallpaper-eating insane. 

So here’s a suggestion: would you, rather than simply writing a six thousand word screed with every post, just cut-and-paste a brief message with the link?  Seriously.  I’m a big Hedges fan, and I’d like to discuss his essays with interested parties without having to wade through all these lunatic proclamations promoting your imaginary world kingdom.

Thank you.

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By Orbis Unum, November 11, 2010 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

Re: gerard, November 11 at 11:10 pm.

You state: “Earlier on one of these TD sites, someone suggested to you that it be refined, made simpler and shortened.”

Response: It is without question, that solution oriented paradigms, which could be possibly proffered, in a world heaped in misrepresentation that took 400 years to bury people into acceptance of ‘one minute managers,’ most call representatives, who don’t read what they legislate in to law, might just take more time than the same mindset of modern day legislators. That is, if you interested in working yourself out from under subjugation, by taking responsibility to do otherwise. Just a reasonable suggestion. This reasonableness, is not necessarily applicable for those wishing performance by anyone else of lessor performance, to protect what your own perfect condition requires!

You state: “Nobody will wade through that much as an introduction. It has little or no appeal so far as the average personl’s reality is concerned, though it may be great, philosophically speaking.  Most people are not “into” philosophy much.”

Response: We’re not trying to reach ‘NOBODY.’ Only ‘Some-body’ exercising the Science of Right Reason! So, we don’t expect ‘Nobody’ to do anything! But what we hope is that ‘Every-body’ of reasonable cognitive awareness, will avail themselves philosophically or otherwise, what we have put into reality for very obvious reasons to those who do avail themselves of the evidenced proffered!

In support of my continuing challenge throughout voluminous postings herein, one only has to avail themselves of facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.
Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

As far as whether people are into ‘philosophy’ or otherwise, it is not up to us individually, to judge such matters generally or otherwise, applicable to subject matter raised herein!

We honorably await any verifiable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

And once again, as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By gerard, November 11, 2010 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

Orbis Unum:  I went to your site and tried to read it, but I couldn’t wade through the verbiage. Earlier on one of these TD sites, someone suggested to you that it be refined, made simpler and shortened.  I haven’t checked,but have you done so.
Nobody will wade through that much as an introduction. It has little or no appeal so far as the average personl’s reality is concerned, though it may be great, philosophically speaking.  Most people are not “into” philosophy much.

What I said about the “Sanity Rally’ still holds. People are bitterly divided, alienated by hundreds of deliberate devises to divide them. Before they can think straight about a political action they need to have a basic sense of self-confidence and a knowledge that they are not alone.

That’s what the rally was for, and that’s what it did—call to the attention of millions of politicaly disengaged people that they could get together peaceably.  That’s all.  That’s enough for a beginning.  None of us could have done half as much, so far as I can see.

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By PatrickHenry, November 11, 2010 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

Inherit,

At least you didn’t offend the Norwegians.

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By Orbis Unum, November 11, 2010 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

Re: gerard, November 11 at 7:35 pm.

You state presumably: “That is because before making some kind of public announcement, there must be people who have already gathered together, formed a plan, and have some idea of how to go forward.  That certainly hasn’t happened.”

Response: The facts related to whether individuals choose to make public announcements or otherwise, is not evidence that people have not gathered, formed plans or have not developed ideas on how to accomplish there collective goals. Only fools choose to stand on the corner of the agora, casting his pearls before the swine so to speak, not expecting to be rebuff by the incompetent! But for those of us who choose to cast our lot with our honorable ancestors of happy memory, we humbly stand guard to preserve those interests for our generation and those hopefully to come! As they say, there is always hope when one fool is willing to believe against all odds. But just remember, failure to hope does not mean the global oligarchy will deter their agenda. Their belief is, where there’s a whip, there’s a way! The choice is yours, against all odds or the eternal WHIP!!!   

Repeatedly, we have proffer evidence to the contrary. Whether you perceive such actions suited to your own perfect condition, only presupposes that your perfect for your condition until proven otherwise.

As evidenced of those who have sacrificed for years to peel away the programming of misrepresentation by social role models most have paid dearly one way or the other to expose, we offer the truth of the matter of plans made and actions taken to move forward via the “4” declarations espoused by the S.E.A., published via the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah. Available for consideration for those honestly looking for researching the truth or veracity of this matters, in the interest of Good Will with All Walks of Life seeking Universal Peace and solution oriented paradigms to the problems of systemic fraud. 

We honorably await your evidence to prove otherwise, the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

And once again, as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By gerard, November 11, 2010 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

truthdigger3:  Thanks for bringing this up.

At the so-called Rally for Sanity, the reason there was not one single mention of non-violent action, non-violent resistance, non-violent civil disobedience is that, like nearly everyone else in the country (except for small minorities here and there) nobody knows anything about it or, knowing, has decided it is a nutty idea confined to religious fanatics of some kind.  Or if they do know something about it, they are not curious to find out more for the same reasons they are not curious, period.
  Nor was there any specific mention of taking action of any kind.  That is because before making some kind of public announcement, there must be people who have already gathered together, formed a plan, and have some idea of how to go forward.  That certainly hasn’t happened.  Contrary to Beck, the “Sanity” guys are not going to rouse up a mob without some contuctive plan.
  I totally agree that politicallyi the rally wasn’t much.  My contention is that it wasn’t meant to be any more than a psychological boost to people who need to have a sense of community—the first step in doing anything in the way of public action.
  My second point is that those who belittle that rally have no grounds to criticize since they themselves are still wondering what the heck to do—online and elsewhere.

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By Orbis Unum, November 11, 2010 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

Re: dod, November 11 at 7:23 am.

You state: ‘My understanding of political
realities is minimal. In other words, I’m a fucking moron.’

Response: I firmly believe that when any individual strives for competence in any field of human endeavor, to the best of their ability, such individual can never be classified as a moron. Sure, each to his/her own abilities but those who would treat any reasonable efforts by others designed to further their competency, are only showing their own incompetence, ill will, and unconcern for others or their advancement, within the interest of establishing Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!

You state: “I still don’t understand this bit:

“Again, we honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!” “

Response : Simply put, what I’m asking of any individual willing to read, study, research, is to verify the validity or veracity of the facts presented within the in-particular declaration entitled Universal Declaration on the Four Freedoms. And, to see if they can disprove the facts provided with facts, contrary to those presented, Line for Line or fact for fact.

This phrase line for line or fact for fact, is a thought process (Science of Right Reason) used by arbiters or otherwise, for weighing in on any evidence to reach conclusive ideas, applicable to the jurisprudence necessary to reach an appropriate or qualified judgment.

Now to the matter at hand:

In support of my continuing challenge throughout voluminous postings herein, one only has to avail themselves of facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

Again, we honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By garth, November 11, 2010 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

DoD,

I think ITW’s list was hysterical, probably because there’s some underlying truth to it. 

When he’s on, he’s hilarious.

And today I was reminded by Robert Kuttner or Dean Baker that Erskine Bowles is on the Board of one of biggest investment banks on Wall Street, Morgan Chase.  For attending a meeting once a quarter, usually to pick up his check, he’s paid $300,000. A definite conflict of interest.  Or as Bill O’Reilly my describe it to his loyal viewers, “Cornflakes of interest.”

A company where I worked a few years ago was in trouble.  Business was slow.  The President touted the idea that in their upcoming board meeting, the board members would be expected to do more than just glad-hand each other and collect their checks.

Ersky, makes more for just sitting through a board meeting than most American make in a year.

Also, Social Security is outside the purview of that Commission.  They were supposed to look at eliminating the deficit.  Social Security does not add to the deficit.  It’s our money.  We put it in the fund and we take it out.  Left alone, it’s solvent for the next 27 years.  After that, it could pay out at about 80% levels, if nothing is done.

This was brought up to cause a big stink.  Either way, they can’t lose.  They might get it to the floor of the House and Senate for debate.  That’s further than W got it.  And they can afford to lie in wait for the next opportunity.

The younger generation, the post baby-boomers, are not informed about Social Security.  The next go-around might target the ad dollars along with Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity and all the local right-wing news media on pulling the wool of the eyes of the younger workers.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 11, 2010 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

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Inherit The Wind, November 10

That was a joke?

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I dunno. Ask Garth, Anarcissie and Truthdig3.

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By balkas, November 11, 2010 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

note, please, that ah yam highly unmeritocratic in my usage of words. and i cldn’t
understand one word marx wrote, but every word hitler wrote in his ‘epic’ mein
kampf.
but i think i only read a few p. of das kapital and all p. of bushes new book. i
think it is about how not to say anything in more than one mn words and well
salted and peppered, too boot.

i am also writing a book. it is ab. how to say everything one needs to know in ten
or fewer words. i learned that from my small head. she said to me: get off ur ass,
bob, and do smthing.
and i did get off my ass and am in process of getting a nicer one! can u beat such good news? spasibo

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By balkas, November 11, 2010 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

by now—and finally—after 10 yrs on internet and reading these sites, i noticed
that more we read finkel’s, chomsky’s, frankel’s, schinkel’s; auntie barbra’s,
arianna’s et al pieces, the more u.s. [or d.n] wages wars, poverty, ignorance.

but i still haven’t figured why the ‘radical’ [socalled] sites allow vicious
demonization of me or delete some of my posts and a strongly fascist site like td
never ever deleted even one of my posts.
and i do not encounter any demonization of me on dt.
ok, i have finished last in my class. so, it might take ten yrs to solve that puzzle.
tnx

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By PatrickHenry, November 11, 2010 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, November 10

That was a joke?

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By dod, November 11, 2010 at 2:23 am Link to this comment

To Orbis Unum:

I went through your site a few hours ago. I was inspired by some of the things
there, I don’t really know what I’m doing, at all. My understanding of political
realities is minimal. In other words, I’m a fucking moron.

I really liked the idea of “harmony” and calm, peaceful intellectual discourse. In
fact, I was so inspired that I started a group on Facebook with a few of my
friends for the purpose of political discussion. It’s rather pointless but I felt that
I needed to do/say SOMETHING in that moment.

One of the rules:

2. We are all in this together. In other words, calm, kind, and logical discussion
is the only way to make progress. Disputes MUST be handled respectfully and
logically. Anyone perpetrating negative interaction will be suspect to removal
from the group.

I don’t know. I’ve been down about the inability for people to agree on
ANYTHING. For instance, you would think that anyone with marginalized
beliefs/ideals would find it in them to at least try to find common ground with
the few others they have standing with them - - - or something.


I still don’t understand this bit:

“Again, we honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the
premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the
declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove
otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for
line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!”

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By truedigger3, November 11, 2010 at 1:47 am Link to this comment

gerard wrote:
“Problem:  The liberals are afraid—and rightly so. Yet they seem totally uninterested in learning anything about the only forms of protest or civil disobedience that might get results without bloodshed and imprisonment. I mean—the strategy and tactics of nonviolent resistance a la Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez and others.  No, no. That’s
“60s bullshit” to quote a phrase. “
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But the rally didn’t mention anything about that.!
All we had was a speech from Jon Stuart urging people to be “nice” and a warning against Marxists “who are almost non existent” in this country, and a warning against homophobes. We also had a silly dumb stick about “Captain America” from Steven Colbert and the rest was singing and music.! Ha!.
Anyway let us forget about that stupid dumb rally and pay attention to the mounting campaigny against Social Security and Medicare!

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By Orbis Unum, November 11, 2010 at 12:42 am Link to this comment

Re: dod, November 11 at 3:07 am.

You state: “Is there anywhere we can go to have organized discussion about these things?
Like a forum where fans of truthdig.com can go to talk and trade ideas/information etc.?

If not maybe someone should start one!”

Response: I would hope that a forum with the laudable moniker as ‘Truthdig’ espoused via their web site marquee, would eventually step in for its on namesake and honor, by monitoring the decorum of exchange to the highest standards. Time will tell! But whatever transpires, you shall know them by their course of action or otherwise!

Whether individuals agree to disagree or otherwise, such discussions, ideas, and/or any possible proffered solutions should be exchanged amongst parties to such exchange via the general accepted ‘Rule’ of behavior, for any real debate of ideas. Avoiding if at all possible, derogatory comments about any one or group of commenter(s) without just cause. Explicitly using specific or general terms to respond to ideas, while avoiding at all cost, dishonorable behavior toward others.

As we have said before, during our own and those I’ve witnessed occurring amongst other posters efforts to foster ideas and/or solution with this forum, have on many occasions subjected to ridicule, repeatedly proven over and over to date, beyond any reasonable doubt otherwise, it seems that individuals herein, in general, wish only to degrade those seeking possible solution oriented paradigms (per: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah), must be subjected to insolence. 

Even though at all times, we have only pleaded for reasonable behavior within an alleged forum designed for airing hopefully civilized exchange of ideas.

Everyone herein can testify to the fact of the veracity of these statements, being subjected in one way or the other, by those who persist in their prerogative to pander their form of social behavior as acceptable intelligentsia for the rest of us to follow but in turn offer us no solutions to confront the true issues which face us on a daily basis.

As I have stated before, for those of us who wish to remain above such infantile behavior aforementionedabove, we must ignore them like spoiled little brats who deserve only our contempt, until they in turn, in our most fervent hope, choose at some put in their lonely and pathetic little lives, to act reasonably; to respect others whose only desire is to proffer respect in return, for respect given!

Again, we honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By gerard, November 10, 2010 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment

truedigger:  My point being—“I am sure many people were expecting and hoping for different kind of a rally!”

Precisely—expecting and hoping but doing nothing!
Not even sponsoring a “return to sanity,” in spite of the evidence of need for precisely that as evidenced on this TD site every day.

The Stewart Rally showed:
1. That tens of thousands of people are still sane, have a sense of balance, and are hoping for the change they voted for but never got.  They are not radical revolutinaries because they don’t want to kill anybody to “take their country back.” Instead, they turn out for a kind of “togetherness meeting” and a show of numbers.  If there was a viable political organization, it might do the same, but, sadly, there is not. So far, the only thing liberals seem to be ble to do is complain about what others do, and predict the end of the world in one way or several. 
  Problem:  The liberals are afraid—and rightly so. Yet they seem totally uninterested in learning anything about the only forms of protest or civil disobedience that might get results without bloodshed and imprisonment. I mean—the strategy and tactics of nonviolent resistance a la Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez and others.  No, no. That’s
“60s bullshit” to quote a phrase.

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By dod, November 10, 2010 at 10:07 pm Link to this comment

PLEASE READ THIS COMMENT:

Is there anywhere we can go to have organized discussion about these things?
Like a forum where fans of truthdig.com can go to talk and trade
ideas/information etc.?

If not maybe someone should start one!


Regarding the article:

I really like Hedges but his writing is quite cynical. He seems to see “the
collapse” as being unstoppable. Perhaps he’s right. Still, he doesn’t provide any
hope at all for any possible positive outcomes.

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By Maximilien00004, November 10, 2010 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment
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Brussels 11th Nov 2010
The reasoning is correct but to some extent only .Neither the red flag nor the svastika are or could ever be the ultimate remedies.When I was a little boy, in order to put in telephone lines, we needed some dozen workers with spades and picks to dig miles of ditches into the sidewalks.Now we have a single machine with a mechanical shovel and one man to avoid ripping existing cables i.e.we had a pyramid with a very large base of unqualified workers but then, a large stratum of qualified workers and foremen. Now, machinery made millions of workers redundant, the foremen are replaced by engineers who care for the the robots while “some” workers feed these robots.Not to forget that we are not on an island and that we have to compete with hundreds of million of workers who now have money enough to buy transistors or small TV’s and realize the distress of their social situation. If we willingly forget that Lenovo (China) bought IBM’s laptop business, then we miss the essence of the disruption which is underway.Of course and to complete the overturn of our system of values, there is now the dominance of money or, translated, greed whereby a narrow banking and shady caste is ruling de facto the country while commonsensical principles (Glass-Stegall Act) were dropped by the Democrats for the profit of Republicans now partially turning into a populist Tea Party.Whatever the goodwill of Pdt Obama,he had to follow the railway track laid out in front of him by dear G.W.Bush while proving unable to get rid of his close financial advisers whose names changed but mentalities remained the same (the Goldman Sachs system). The latest decision to print some 600 $bio “to start again” the economy is just an illusion which is wrecking a declining U.S.prestige ,or what’s left of it, hurling the whole world towards a galopping inflation. And then,indeed, the worst might happen but generally this kind of adventure finds its bitter end in another war,opened as usual under the most noble but hazardous motives for a war can be easily “invented”. “Weapons of mass destruction” are never far away.
Maximilien

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By Inherit The Wind, November 10, 2010 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

Alan Simpson has his Senate pension—he’ll never need SocSec.  Doesn’t Bowles have a similar generous pension?

Meanwhile I know how much my mother gets per month on SocSec.  A 70% cut would be devastating. She’d be forced to move.

But remember the GWB ethic: Any bolus of public money MUST either be given to investment houses to “invest” or turned into tax cuts for the wealthiest.

That’s just how it works.  Squeeze a few more grains of rice out of retirees so that the richest can buy another Porsche or Piaget watch.

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By garth, November 10, 2010 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

On to bigger and more pressing things.

I caught part of the 3rd hour of the Thom Hartmann tonight.  He described a grand dinner hosted by the publisher of the American Spectator, R. Emmett Tyrrell.

Now this character is a piece of work to say the least.  The founder of Media Matters, David Brock,  used to work for Tyrrell at the Spectator until Brock was asked to do one last ‘hit’ piece on Clinton. 

Brock had had enough and saw the light.

Anyway this dinner is in DC and goes for $25,000 a plate.  The right wing goons are rejoicing.  They are this close to their nirvana.  They are turning this country into a fascist haven without so much as a whimp from anyone.

The maroons have voted them in to the House of Representaives.  And the democrats are on the ropes.

Bowles and Simpson of the President’s Deficit Commission are pre-releasing their findings before the official statement due out in December.  They want to cut Social Security benfits to 70%.  A 30% percent cut.  All this while allowing the rich to lavish in their Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003.  Their tax cuts are a real drain on the economy.  Social Security is not.  It does not add a cent to the debt.

Let’s see, Americans give 6+% of their pay each week to a fund.  Their employers match the payment.

It’s solvent at 100% to each recipient for at least another 25 years.  After that without change it’s good for about 75% for all to perpetuity. 

These bastards, the Bowles and Simpson, want to say we’re receiving too much.  I think the average might be around a couple of thousand a month.  The tax breaks amount to about $100,000 a year for those making a million or more.  And now, thanks to tax breaks and off shore slave employment, the number of millionaires and billionaires in the US is growing.

What they really want is for us to say, “Uncle!  I give up.  Privatize it.  Let the sharks of Wall Street have access to about $2 or $3 Trillion of our money.  Look what they did with our pensions.

That’s the scare that Dick ‘the Fat Slob’ Armey is trying to instil in us.  He said on C-SPAN, “Face working till you’re 70, means testing, or Privatize.”

Alan and Erskine are putting on the squeeze.  They are playing Mr. Scrooge, “Bah Humbug!  Cut their benefits by 30%.”

Who is going to stand up, put his thumbs in his waistcoat, and matter-of-factly tell these sons-a-bitches. “Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.”?

Armey, you fat pig, step over here.  We have a pork fat rendering machine to introduce you to.

Alan and Erskine, you have to the count of three.

And we don’t ever want to see nor hear from you again. Got it?

Don’t answer.  Just leave.  Now!

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By truedigger3, November 10, 2010 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

By gerard, November 10 at 6:55 pm

gerard wrote:
“Anybody who doesn’t appreciate The Much-Maligned Rally for Sanity after running through this string is a goner”
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Really! then count me as a goner!
The rally was a total disappointment to me. Not a single speech of rebuttal to the tea party rally
who dumped tons of shit on what they called the progressives who are leading the country to"socialism”.!
All Jon Stuart said was to urge everyone to be “nice” and be in the lookout for marxists and homophobes.! It is like he is supporting the tea party accusations that the progressives are infested with marxism which is absolutely not true.
Don’t get me wrong. I like Jon Stuart and watch him daily, but he is first and last is a comedian and not a politician, and organizing a rally like that was beyond his abilities.
I am sure many people were expecting and hoping for different kind of a rally!

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By truedigger3, November 10, 2010 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

Re: By Inherit The Wind, November 10 at 6:56


ITW wrote:
“In Hell:
All the policemen are German.
All the chefs are English.
All the engineers are French.
All the lovers are Swiss.
And the whole place is run by the Italians!

OK: Who did I NOT offend?”
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You “forgot” the Jews! LOL, just kidding.! Shalom.

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By garth, November 10, 2010 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

The Ethnic Joke To Offend Just about Everybody With A European Background:

In Heaven:
All the policeman are English.
All the chefs are French.
All the engineers are German.
All the lovers are Italian
And the whole place is run by the Swiss!

In Hell:
All the policemen are German.
All the chefs are English.
All the engineers are French.
All the lovers are Swiss.
And the whole place is run by the Italians!

OK: Who did I NOT offend?

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The Swedish, English, Irish, Italian, Portuguese Amerians.  That’s who.

ITW, I love you, you Jew. 


You are an awakening, a bulldog of ideas. And you know your stuff.  Thanks.  And keep it up.

Best regards,

Sneeza the Cat

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By Anarcissie, November 10, 2010 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

ITW—There is a similar joke about Canada: it could have had English government, French culture, and American know-how, but instead it got French government, American culture, and English know-how.  It’s all too true.  Let’s see—that insults four countries, so I’m still behind you by one.

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By garth, November 10, 2010 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

Psychobabbler,

You might be speaking for the few who are in the know.  ‘Kapow.’

Is that like the anagram of that black rapper Tupac Shakur who was offed in Las Vegas, Kaput?

Inquiring semi-minds want to know.  Where are you going with this/

Gypsies, Gays, Italians, who is safe?

In the hood as they now call it, it was common talk: “Joe da Nose”, Mickey the Dunce.”  The Polack. 

After a few beers it was all talk, that’s all.  Now they want to slip in a sense of guilt to theose who use those terms when they were really meant as terms of acceptance.

They, the ones who for the most part determine what
we think, have found a gold mine.  Introduce other cultures to the poor neighborhoods and then highlight the urmoil that ensues.  Then local media loves it.  Of courese, they are a throwback to the Golden age of Yellow Journalism. 

They have young, ignorant reporters, they are the last to admit it, and the news on the local level keeps maching on.

Here’s to that fuckin’ asshole Peter Gamage. May you rest in utter turmoil.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 10, 2010 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

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let’s keep the Italian insults down. I find them offensive.  Why does everyone want to get nasty and person when discourse gets heated. Let’s keep civil, please.
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I agree! Just be glad you’re not Jewish because you don’t get 1/10 of 1% of the insults we Jews get here on TD.  The Mgt will clear out the very worst, but not the subtle ones, or the ones flavored to look political.

The Ethnic Joke To Offend Just about Everybody With A European Background:

In Heaven:
All the policeman are English.
All the chefs are French.
All the engineers are German.
All the lovers are Italian
And the whole place is run by the Swiss!

In Hell:
All the policemen are German.
All the chefs are English.
All the engineers are French.
All the lovers are Swiss.
And the whole place is run by the Italians!

OK: Who did I NOT offend?

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By gerard, November 10, 2010 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

Anybody who doesn’t appreciate The Much-Maligned Rally for Sanity after running through this string is a goner.

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By Psychobabbler, November 10, 2010 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

I am a pretty paranoid person. I am assuming this morning that there might be a
conspiracy behind all of the healing happening lately.  I might be the only jerk left
soon, all alone by myself.

Kanye West apologized to Bush for example.

I might be able to help with this issue.

If you take a certain hurtful three letter word that starts with a W, and reverse it
then it is Pow. If you put a Ka in front of it then it is Ka-Pow! which is like a
synonym for awesomeness. Italian momma knows what I am talking about.

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By garth, November 10, 2010 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

Sabagio, 


That’s even worse.  W.C Fields complained about the quality of his shirts when they returned from a Chinese laundry.  He started yelling anitisemitic epithets when his valet interrupted and said, “But they are Chinese.  Mr. Fields replied, “They’re the worst kind.”

Romanians, they gypsies, right?  A few tried to move in here a few years ago, but this neighborhood goes back a long way.  Italians, Irish, Polish, Portuguese and they’ve seen it before, twice.  I’d like to see how long your Decatur GA sense of Americana-wise flim-flammery would survive here.  But then again, we have laws and we have families and we have neighborhoods,  And we have an sense of who is part of it who is not.

They not nasty people, they just make the correction and go about their business as if it never happened.

I would’ve liked to run into your uncle or your grandfather or whomever it was you referred to. 

Like the incident in the 30s when my father and uncle ran a restaurant in a Working class town North of Boston.  A pro football lineman, weighing more that 250lbs walked in and demanded and Egg Trilby, egg with onion.  When it wasn’t to his liking he grabbed my uncle by the throat. 

Uncle Charlie returned the sandwich to my father in the kitchen and told him what happened.  Dear old Dad, took the sandwich, threw a white napkin and served the sandwich again aong with a telling blow from rock-like right hand that propelled the customers lower teeth into his upper jaw.  They were then escorted to the door and thrown out.

The moral of the story was:  Don’t order an Egg Trilby at Art’s Diner and complain about it.

To ItalianMama,

You are right!  Absolutely right.  I am part Italian, but I grew up in Irish Catholic dominated neighborhood, and I was indoctrinated into thinking that I was Irish.  And the Irish hate the Italians because of their sexuality, manliness and intelligence.

I hope I’ve made amends with those I have offended.  If not, tough noogies.

Remember, Garth is an anagram for God’s wrath.  (J\K in the current parlance.)

Sabagio,

Don’t take me seriously.  But if you are Romanian, take the trailer and get the hell off my property.

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By David J. Cyr, November 10, 2010 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

QUOTE Chris Hedges: “It [The old left—the Wobblies, the Congress of Industrial Workers (CIO), the Socialist and Communist parties] used anger at injustice, corporate greed and state repression to mobilize Americans to terrify the power elite on the eve of World War I. This was the time when socialism was not a dirty word in America but a promise embraced by millions who hoped to create a world where everyone would have a chance.”
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... and then workers were persuaded to lifelong support the corporate party’s greater evil devious Democrats.

Whenever liberals fear that America’s fascism is coming into their backyards their chickens are coming home to roost.

A liberal is a person who says they want good, but then votes for Democrats.

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By archivesDave, November 10, 2010 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

It’s time right now to start thinking about getting
some kind of consensus on just who to get behind for
prez to try to keep this Titanic from heading to the
bottom…Any suggestions for someone who has any chance
at all against Obama, Hillary, and Romney?
Or perhaps we just want to sit back and let the damn
Globalists continue the takeover to motivate us into a
full blown revolution?  I think both Pauls are
Freemasons and not sure about Ventura.
Anybody know?

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By basho, November 10, 2010 at 4:42 am Link to this comment

from a practical point of view anger and hate is a losing game.

the mind shuts down, no clear thinking only ‘self’ defense.
one is vulnerable to manipulation.

the body prepares for combat. adrenaline et al.

over time the wear and tear take their toll psychically and physically.

it could be argued that these states are a manifestation of greed.

no sermon, just personal observations

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By Psychobabbler, November 10, 2010 at 12:31 am Link to this comment

O.K. O.K.
I will try to be nice now.

It is so hard though because they are so wealth obsessed and mean. They are in fact now profiting from human misery and desperation. (which is of course unacceptable)

They are playing games that put us against each other, yelling and pushing like would be reasonable idiots.

They have plans that only suit themselves.

They have access to a very dangerous military force.

They are not connected to the reality of the average person in this country which would rank them highly on the list of world wide assholeasism.

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By archivesDave, November 9, 2010 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

ChaviztaKing:
Well said my friend…
Reminds me of what Christ commanded us:
“Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do
what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is
possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace
with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but
leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is
mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the
contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he
is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing
this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do
not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good”
(Romans 12:17-21).

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By italianmama, November 9, 2010 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment
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let’s keep the Italian insults down. I find them offensive.  Why does everyone want to get nasty and person when discourse gets heated. Let’s keep civil, please.

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By ChaviztaKing, November 9, 2010 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

DEAR FRIENDS, I THINK THAT WE CANNOT HATE RIGHT-WINGERS, AND PRO-CAPITALISM PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL MILLIONS OF PRO-CAPITALISM PEOPLE IN USA AND IN THE WHOLE WORLD !!

Do not pay hate with hate.  Love your political enemies, love your personal enemies, love Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, FOX news and all Republican Party voters and all Tea Party voters. Do not try to be proud, humiliate your self among others.  It is real dumb, satanic and evil to hate people and even to hate enemies.  Love republicans and capitalists, by loving them, by caring about them, they will be more open minded to be christian socialists and humanists.  thanxxx


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By Sabagio, November 9, 2010 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

WOP!!!!  Gollee gee whiz, now that IS a first.  The folks back in Surabaya and Bucharest would sure get a laugh out of that.  Ain’t manee a dem around though.  I bin told dat if Grampa Subetki thought he’d bin dissed, he’d take the old Keris out, the big one,  and go huntin heads.  Course he woodn’t have known what wop meant so consider yurself lucky. Uncle Valeriu tol me onest dat back home he got by using bats and pipes and sometimes a busted cycle chain. He said he left that all behind when he left town and came over here.  I had a mom that shudda been a Jewish mother.  She wasn’t but she studied American sayings and advice, and would come up with just about a quote or proverb or saying for every occasion.  My brothers and I were always gittin inta fights when we were kids, mainly for being called things like slant eyes or puppy killer and worse. Once when she wuz cleanin us up she came up with “boys who raise their fists in anger have run out of ideas ,”  or something like dat.  I don’t know where she got that one. I always thought Muhammad Ali said it.  But it got us ta thinkin that gitten even was a lot more fun than gitten mad.  It cut down on da trips to the emergency room, dat’s for sure.
Resorting to the use of abusive names to belittle or humiliate another person whether it be during a political campaign,  especially the most recent one, or a forum such as truthdig,  is just another example of raising one’s fists because you have run out of ideas. If nothing else, it is the way of the most cowardly. I would have thought that by now we would have had our fill of escalating vituperations, invective and the more crude forms of verbal abuse that resorts to the obscene and profane.  Sad. Very sad.

‘Nuff said.

Sabagio Sasdrodanigrat Mauraeno
and proud of it.

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By garth, November 9, 2010 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

Virginia777,

What’s troll?

When I saw your name I had a brief flashback of those who will come in and out of TD and support Obama no matter what, and they usually pic and pic at some minor throw away statement written by someone.  Somehow, I knew you’d take issue with something I wrote.

If you want to blindly follow the idea of a Demnocratic Party or a Republican party with the hope that they have to do find the right man or support the current one, then you are looking for Mr. Goodbar.
the Lone Ranger ain’t coming and the sooner people realize that and unite around some of basic ideas of decency and honesty and community, the better off we’ll all be.  The path will become clearer.  But right now the first step Turn on—get informed about how we are being screwed left right and every which way.  Tune In—Get together with oterh to comapre experiences and plan moves.  Drop out—listen to MSM only for entertainment or to see what kind of claptrap they are selling.  Don’t forget their bosses are their sponsors and they are trying to sell us phony dreams.

You should put the mirror down and grow up.  It’s hard, I know, but it’s worth it.  Consider the alternative.  Assisted Living arrangements of the sheltered wealthy will give some idea of what’s in store for you.

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By Orbis Unum, November 9, 2010 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment

Re: pedanticmeatloaf, November 10 at 12:15 am.

You state: “The notion of Thomas
Aquinas’ Just Price, for example, or Aristotle’s
pronouncement that profit for profit’s sake is bad,
or Adam Smith’s condemnation of greedy selfishness in
his Theory of Moral Sentiments and his preceding
argument of a sympathetic innateness to humans, all
show that unfettered, unqualified commerce, as in
present day commerce, cannot be the sole guide to
human behavior (or at least, as Hedges argues, as
having a positive outcome for most people - or even
all people if you take the long term destruction of
the environment).”

Response: I wholeheartedly agree with the premises, that money, is not the sole guide to mankind’s behavior. Rather, it is the acceptance of Mankind to be manipulated by baser instincts, than to abide in the greater Good Will of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life in the service of HONOR, ABOVE ALL ELSE!

In support of such manipulation aforementioned, I would like to draw attention to David Astle’s work entitled, ‘[t]he Babylonian Woe.’ In which Astle documents the historical beginnings of what we term today as ‘money.’

One expects it would be of particular interest to those with an interest in the finances of the world, or in (very) anciet history, going back to the time of “money’s” beginning in Mesopotamia and Egypt. Astle is not gentle in dealing with the effect of the major financial manipulators, whether they be nefarious Egyption King-politicians, the advisors to Charles of England, or even todays dubious banking-influence wielders. ...His scholarly documentation of sources make it a textbook in its own right (per ‘Newsletter of the [Royal] Naval Officers Association).

For those who care, Astle took a very keen interest in my work and sent me a signed copy of his private publishing of his manuscript aforementioned. And, I must say, his scholarly work is well documented in archeological artifacts to back up his premises beyond a reasonable doubt to establish a historical conspiracy and its early beginning of financial manipulations by a few, who did cause the rise and fall of ancient kingdoms, empires and continue to do so, down to present day modern states and other international organizations to foster such schemes of global financial control! 

Again, we honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

In support of the challenge aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

And, once again as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By Inherit The Wind, November 9, 2010 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

I was a highly litigious person when I still lived in Gringolandia.  In those days I would have already been filing against Truthdig and Inherit the Windbag.
************

Now THAT I believe!  Of course, it would be dismissed as not passing the straight-faced test.  I am not scared off by wild cries of “I’m gonna sue!”

Referring to “Gringolandia” is fundamentally a racist remark. All I have to do is introduce this post and you’re toast…“Dismissed with prejudice”.

I suggest Ms. Genius Doctorissimo Mooncrow you look up the definition of “Libel” and what is required to meet the standard of such a charge.  But just threatening it means you are a bully who likes to push people around, but can’t stand when the fight back.

So, as they used to say, If you can’t stand the heat, STFU and get out of the kitchen!

Orbis, if I inadvertently quoted you, I’m sorry. It was not my intention. But if you don’t want your stuff used and quoted, DON’T POST IT!  You have no proprietorial rights here.  I suggest you re-read the TD policies.  As with most forums, all posts belong to the owners of the forum.

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By Lloyd English, November 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment
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I think Chris is a Prophet and I think that the
majority of the responses in this forum bear sad
testimony to the ageless blinding power of narcissism
which brings darkness. Bickering and pushing and
shoving and clamoring for personal recognition.  No
respect, no peace, no grace and no Love.  Give me the
golden calf to worship, give me a god that satisfies
me.

Let’s try this for a response.  Chris, you are right,
we are in a mess and I am going to help mobilize my
brothers and sisters and make change-somehow.  My
heart is compelled to do what is right, I have seen
the vision of our future and it is terrible and I
have been moved by your words and thoughts.

Yes , we are in a colossal mess and we thank you for
your reasoned and balanced voice and your insight
into our current terrible condition.  Thank you.

I would also suggest we start by loving one another
and then get on with the work at hand which is
monumental.  Cloth the naked, feed the poor, house
the homeless, heal the sick.  Aren’t these the edicts
of a just society, of a good life- a life of value
and worth.  Isn’t this the kind country that your fore-fathers died for?

  But then I think of other prophets and I think of
their words and the thousands of historical responses
to the ageless truth.  I think of men who have stood
up and spoken from their hearts against the tyranny
of ages and I recall the history of what the world
has done to them and I want to say; Run, my friend,
Run as fast as you can for the enemy surrounds you. 

All good men and prophets are ultimately
dangerous to those who rule the world for their own
gain.  “Bow down and worship me and I will give you the
world”, .
Words of truth and reason resonate only in the
hearts of those who seek these things and value them
above all else. 

And the rest, well, go on slandering, and hating and
gossiping and cast stones and put yourselves up on
pedestals to be worshiped while the world crumbles
and we ruin yet another chance for justice and peace. 

As always, we have it in us to believe the truth or
believe the lie and act on either.  It is what you do
with the truth that will count for the saving of the
country and yourself and it is in your power to make
that choice.  Don’t waste that choice, it is one each
of us makes daily.  Listen carefully for the voices
that speak the truth for your life and country depend
on it.

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By pedanticmeatloaf, November 9, 2010 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

rico,suave:

Hedges:“Commerce cannot be the sole guide of human behavior.
This utopian fantasy, embraced by the tea party as
well as the liberal elite, defies 3,000 years of
economic history.”

“But let me summarize. “Commerce has been the sole
guide to human behavior for three thousand years.”
Let’s put it more simply- “I want your corn. You want
my carpentry. Let’s trade. Oh, you don’t want to
trade- I’ll kill you. Oh, that’s better. Have a nice
day.” This has more or less summarized human behavior
for 3000 years.”

“Hedges only wishes this dynamic weren’t so, but it
is. It is Hedges who defies three thousand years of
economic history. More telling, his use of the word
“cannot” is a cry in the wilderness, as if to say,
“It can’t be! It just can’t!” He needs to get over
it.”

Commerce as trade and barter has, yes, been around
since the dawn of civilization. Commerce viewed as
morality, or, what is most profitable, in a narrowly-
defined short term sense, is necessarily most just,
is a relatively new concept.

It seems as though you are a subscriber of the latter
notion as you see “commerce being the SOLE guide to
human behavior for three thousand years.” This is
evidently not true, though, and it lends an insight
into your concept of morality. The notion of Thomas
Aquinas’ Just Price, for example, or Aristotle’s
pronouncement that profit for profit’s sake is bad,
or Adam Smith’s condemnation of greedy selfishness in
his Theory of Moral Sentiments and his preceding
argument of a sympathetic innateness to humans, all
show that unfettered, unqualified commerce, as in
present day commerce, cannot be the sole guide to
human behavior (or at least, as Hedges argues, as
having a positive outcome for most people - or even
all people if you take the long term destruction of
the environment).

I will concede that commerce, in the sense that
profitability has a moral aspect, can be a guide in a
long-term, multi-generational sense. For example, if
people put a value in economic terms of, say, the
state of the natural environment, or the biodiversity
of plants and animals, for posterity and could weigh
decisions based on this criteria, then, yes, it would
be a valid guide. This is not the case, however. The
prudential capacity of people does not often extend
past their own lifetime, or to a very limited extent,
their offspring.

This Utopian fantasy of profits and profitability
being equivalent to morality and being, thus, the
sole guide to behavior, is now espoused by that the
left and the right. The challenge, as I see Hedges
presenting it, is that the Utopianism offered is, for
one, misguided and harmful, and secondly, it is
singular enactment of both sides within the debate.
In essence, there is no debate. Those claiming to be
left (in positions of power) are speaking in hollow
rhetoric, but acting toward the same end as the
right. 

Lastly, I don’t think Hedges was decrying the status
quo with the word “cannot” as you have
misinterpreted. It seems more plausible that Hedges
is calling on a higher plane of moral righteousness
than that of profit by saying that commerce, as in
aforementioned nuanced sense, cannot be the sole
guide if we are to take seriously the misery of the
suffering and are dispossessed, our liberty, the
natural environment, or, in essence and more broadly,
our humanity.

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By Virginia777, November 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

garth: first of all, you talk exactly like a troll, and so no wonder you are so lame. and this “Turn on, tune in and drop out” is bullshit. It is NOT time to drop out, it is time to fight back.

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one disadvantage of these web posts is the street fighter   mentality that is prevalent here.. Because you are not face to face with someone does not give one the right in E mails to be a bully.to be offensive.
that SAID I THINK THAT Chris IS RIGHT ON AND ACCURATE. he IS A GENERALIST BUT A WISE ONE. IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS IS A VERY Unsustainable economy—there are too many starving people in the US to continue this intolerance to all this suffering while Wall Street continues to rake in all the tax dollars. It has got to come down soon.When our houses are broken into that is poverty breaking down our security .We are next.

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By Sabagio, November 9, 2010 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

Ah, Peace and Harmony, a mantra from the past when writers wrote about wistful wanderings of wind and the Associations of Winddy…

Who’s peekin’ out from under a stairway
Calling a name that’s lighter than air
Who’s bending down to give me a rainbow
Everyone knows it’s Windy

Who’s tripping down the streets of the city
Smilin’ at everybody she sees
Who’s reachin’ out to capture a moment
Everyone knows it’s Windy

And Windy has stormy eyes
That flash at the sound of lies
And Windy has wings to fly
Above the clouds
(Above the clouds)
Above the clouds
(Above the clouds)

And Windy has stormy eyes
That flash at the sound of lies
And Windy has wings to fly
Above the clouds
(Above the clouds)
Above the clouds
(Above the clouds)

Who’s tripping down the streets of the city
Smilin’ at everybody she sees
Who’s reachin’ out to capture a moment
Everyone knows it’s Windy

Sabagio gettin out da vinyl in Decatur GA

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By basho, November 9, 2010 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

re: moonraven

that’s a shame and i mean that sincerely.

the best-

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By basho, November 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

well actually it’s a very tame forum. ie Truthdig smile

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By moonraven, November 9, 2010 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

basho:

I am out of here, actually.  So you folks may now suck your thumbs and pick your noses—and navel lint—in peace.

Peace?

When all drivel runs drown the drain, someone on this phony progressive forum always cries for forcing consensus under the name of imposing “peace and harmony”.

Gringolandia is, after all, SUCH a peaceful, harmonious place—especially with the smothering gringo goodwill towards other ethnic groups that I see here in Arizona, where I am on a lightning visit.

I would laugh, but it’s really not funny.

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By Sabagio, November 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

Has it always been this windy? Only when talking is permitted. There is always somebody out there watching where the wind is blowing,  who wants to Inherit the Wind, and then not share it with anybody. Hosea viii. 7 (AV) They have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.  Maybe. Be careful what you wish for. It may turn course and blow up into your face.

Sabagio Mauraeno

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By moonraven, November 9, 2010 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

Inherit the Windbag is clearly more than capable of libeling me or anyone else who takes him to task for the mean-spiritedness of his vacuity and his venomously green envy of anyone who might qualify as either an intellectual or, good forbid, an EDUCATOR.

I was a highly litigious person when I still lived in Gringolandia.  In those days I would have already been filing against Truthdig and Inherit the Windbag.

Now I just let the latter go on digging himself deeper into his Own Private Idaho—er, Toxic Waste Dump.

No skin off me.

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By basho, November 9, 2010 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

re: moonraven

‘Still silly posts.

Is this drivel the best you jokers can come up with?

Meanwhile, the planet’s species go to hell in a handbasket.’

well, why are you still here then?

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By garth, November 9, 2010 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

The recipe for Fascism is to keep doing what you are doing.  Keep going along to get along. Compromise!

Fascism is now linked with an explosive, pervasive technology.  The protection we want (You cowards!) is their idea of protection that we’ll get:  NSA, Homeland Security, CIA, and the the FBI.

I never heard of such a cry for protection.  Who’s shittin’ whom? This ain’t protection.  It’s keeping an eye on the populace.  You and me.

The problem right now is who is going to be the Strong Man.  They had years of preparation to introdue Mussolini and Hitler, and didn’t it turn out well for those two.

Who is next?  It won’t be one of the invisible corps of Capitalist families.  Bush failed miserably.

Their next ploy is to try Obama again 2012.  Why not?

In the 80s, the Cardinals said to each other before they selected John Paul the whatever, the right wing Pole: If you don’t select the Pole, you might get the black Cardinal from Sierra Leone.  The Sicilians folded.

Timothy Leary’s words were prophetic:  Turn on, tune in and drop out.

You want us to kiss the ass of Romney, Gingrich, Huckabee, Palin, Obama, or et cetera, make us.

The jig is up or it is coming due.

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By Orbis Unum, November 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

Re: Inherit The Wind, November 9 at 6:45 pm.

You state or quote: “moonraven, November 9 at 4:17 am Link to this comment

ray:

Right—40 years as an educator, writer, PhD, 7 languages:  a real anti-intellectual, that’s me to a tee.

Also, I am not part of “American culture” (sic), as I am from a First Nations group in Quebec and have had my home base in Mexico for almost 20 years.

Go bite somebody else’s ankles, Fido.
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Response: It appears from your attempt to reference a posting by ‘moonraven’ to ‘RayLan’ as hereinabovementioned, that ‘moonraven’ requested of RayLan to report Orbis Unum. Concerning the usage or appearance of the avatar in question. But upon review of the referenced posting you provided, no such request appears in ‘moonraven’s posting in question.

It appears that you commented libel and possibly are guilty of putting words in another’s written comments unnecessarily or for illicit reasons.

Whether this is true or not, I for one, was provided the image in question, for use as avatar by another. Based upon their opinion it reflected certain characteristics this individual deemed appropriate for Orbis Unum to use. If this has offended anyone, I humbly apologize. 

In recompense and in the interest of Good Will seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life, I will cease to use the previous avatar. Hopefully, this will be sufficient to keep the peace and restore to whomever, whatever necessary amends for whatever may appear to have been in controversy or otherwise.

Again, we honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

In support of the challenge aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

And, once again as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By Inherit The Wind, November 9, 2010 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

MoonCrow:

You are an unrepentant racist and bigot.  That is vividly clear by your willingness to call the rest of us by ethnic slurs.

Your actions reflect thoughtlessness.  If you want “gringos” to listen to you, hurling bitchy, brainless insults won’t get you very far.
If you want to let us “gringos” (is Eugene Robinson a “gringo” too?) destroy ourselves, why warn us?

What you really want to do is bitch and rant and rave and scream and somehow impress people by doing it.

You are getting opposite reaction: You are disgusting people with your brainless and uncouth posts.

You remind me of the old joke:
“A BS? We all know what BS is!”
“An MS?  Well that’s More of the SAME!”
“PhD? Now that means Piled Higher and Deeper!”

That’s you PHD Mooncrow, postings that are Piled Higher and Deeper.

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By moonraven, November 9, 2010 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Inherit the Windbag:

Your post is proof of the veracity of my criticism:  Meanspirited drivel.

As if a Native American would be foolish enough to think it’s in her or his self-interest to help out you genocidal gringos?!

You ask too much.

All I (and possibly WE) ask is that you implode before 100% of the land you blasted loose from our responsible stewardship becomes a toxic waste dump.

Keep on picking your nose.  The lack of any meaningful action on your (plural) part IS in the interest of native peoples.

Any action is not, based on a quick overview of your (again, plural) history in that regard.

Sorry you did not deem it necessary to get an education.  Now it’s too late, sour grapester.

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By Sabagio, November 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?  Early Christian theologians used this question as a rhetorical illustration to demonstrate the futility of out-of-touch theological debates.  Here and now among these commentaries on Hedge’s view on fascism, this question serves as a metaphor for wasting time debating topics of no practical value.


Sabagio Mauraeno , here in my library in Decatur , Georgia,  browsing through George H. Sabine’s book “A History of Political Theory,” the apotheosis of summarized political philosophy which covers the seminal elements of political philosophers, Plato and Aristotle, Hobbes and Locke, Jesus and Paul, Mohammed and Confucius, Marx and Engels, Ghandi and King, and many others who formulated views as to how their societies should be organized in order to advance the physical and moral welfare of the people.  Like it or not, the thinking of these Icons of Political Theory helped set the direction of the modern western world.  Let us hope, no pray that the merits of their insights, their pros and cons, continue to be examined, evaluated within the context of an ever evolving Global society, the organization of social life, the make-up of government, the role and rights of the citizens, the duties and limitations of the state.  Let these discussions not end with Mao’s ‘Political power grows through the barrel of a gun.’

P.S. Does anybody out there know how Sarah and Newt and Rand and Russ and Sean and Fox and Rupert and George and the late Ron, think about all this?

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By Virginia777, November 9, 2010 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

to me, its the shocking liberal blindness and complicity that has brought us to teetering on the edge of real Fascism. Right-wing extremism has been moving in for a long time now, and the paltry voices and opposition to this, is the stuff of sad legend. The hows and whys of this can be debated, but the the lack of urgency felt by the left, and the waste-of-time infighting, while the right moved into extremism that had not been seen in this Country since the 1950’s, has been horrifying to watch.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 9, 2010 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment

moonraven, November 9 at 4:17 am Link to this comment

ray:

Right—40 years as an educator, writer, PhD, 7 languages:  a real anti-intellectual, that’s me to a tee.

Also, I am not part of “American culture” (sic), as I am from a First Nations group in Quebec and have had my home base in Mexico for almost 20 years.

Go bite somebody else’s ankles, Fido.
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By RayLan, November 9 at 4:00 am Link to this comment

moonraven
What is pitiful is your hubris in thinking your dismissal has any subtance- ah anti-intellectualism - the glory of American culture.
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By moonraven, November 9 at 3:57 am Link to this comment

ray:

You think anyone has actually said anything here worth remembering?

I pity you.
******************

You, Moonraven, are proof that any close-minded fool with an attitude can get a PhD and believe, in her own mind, that she’s now somehow better than her fellows, and that HER opinions should be considered as Words of The Sage, even though she cannot back it up.

Your bitchy insults and responses to everyone combined with your smartass remarks are clear-cut proof that you have had the lowest percentage of worthwhile posts here at Truthdig.  I cannot think of ONE THING you have ever added to a discussion.

I cannot say that about Robert, or Ardee, or GRYM or TruthDig3 or even ofersince72 or FolkTruther, all people with whom I have had, over the years, a less-than-cordial relationship.

Even today, Ardee managed to post something valuable (to my amazement/amusement).  But you? Never!

(And, BTW, a PhD is not and never has been a defense against anti-Intellectualism. I believe Newt Gingrich has a PhD and he’s 100% anti-intellectual)

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By Orbis Unum, November 9, 2010 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

Re: alturn, November 9 at 5:24 pm.

You state: “The power has been set in motion which, at no distant date, will bring unto mankind once more the memory of its real nature; and again the place which this power will start will be Asia.’”

Response: The idea of any point in time or space from which memory or power emanates, does not begin in the imaginations created by mankind, such as Asia, Eurasia and/or Europa or Eurabia. Rather, any memory or power shewing forth in time and space, must emanate from the all encompassing of time and space. To presume otherwise, credits not the origination of all manifestations. But rather, the tool created for the manifestation. And this my friend, is how deviations occur in the time space continuum from the intended purpose of any emanation or recollection.

I myself, am unimportant as the messenger or from which point in time and space I may have entered into this reality. My task is to reveal only that which has been revealed. If one hears or sees what I have revealed, they in turn see and hear what is revealed from the one who reveals all. The servant can never become greater than the master. It is enough that we become friends!

For one to fulfill one’s duty and responsibility to one, one must remember to be true to one. For one cannot serve two masters. Especially, if separated from each other in principle or task.

This world, in all its organizational framework of geopolitical governance, will ever remain ideological opposed to one another, until the standard of one seeking Good Will in the interest of Universal Peace with and for All Walks of Life becomes the standard of every one!

In support of the standard aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

Again, we honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

And, once again as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By ep3, November 9, 2010 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment
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Good post.  We have to remember that after every
collapse, and subsequent apocalyptic hell, we are born
again into a new and much better world.

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By Psychobabbler, November 9, 2010 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

Would it be impossible or unworkable for a new community to be developed in
the United States where businesses are exclusively operated as collectives?

There would no doubt be plenty of willing participants.

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By moonraven, November 9, 2010 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

Still silly posts.

Is this drivel the best you jokers can come up with?

Meanwhile, the planet’s species go to hell in a handbasket.

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By alturn, November 9, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

‘“Whenever virtue subsides and vice prevails, I come down to help mankind,” declares Krishna, in the Bhagavad-Gita. Whenever this world of ours, on account of growth, on account of added circumstances, requires a new adjustment, a wave of power comes; and as a man is acting on two planes, the spiritual and the material, waves of adjustment come on both planes. . . Today, man requires one more adjustment on the spiritual plane; today when material ideas are at the height of their glory and power, today when man is likely to forget his divine nature, through his growing dependence on matter, and is likely to be reduced to a mere money-making machine, and adjustment is necessary; the voice has spoken, and the power is coming to drive away the clouds of gathering materialism. The power has been set in motion which, at no distant date, will bring unto mankind once more the memory of its real nature; and again the place which this power will start will be Asia.’

‘The wave rises on the ocean, and there is a hollow. Again another wave rises, perhaps bigger than the former, to fall down again, similarly, again to rise-driving onward. In the march of events, we notice the rise and fall, and we generally look towards the rise, forgetting the fall. But both are necessary, and both are great. This is the nature of the universe. Whether in the world of our thoughts, the world of our relations in society, or in our spiritual affairs, the same movement of succession, of rises and fall, is going on. Hence great predominances in the march of events, the liberal ideals, are marshalled ahead, to sink down, to digest, as it were to ruminate over the past-to adjust, to conserve, to gather strength once more for a rise and a bigger rise.’
- The collected works of Swami Vivekananda (the first swami to visit the US)

Despair will continue to mount, but as Swami Vivekananda points out, in times like these great messengers are always present. In this time, living patiently in London after coming there from Asia is the messenger for this Age. He watches and helps behind-the-scenes but by law waits for man through our free will to create the unpleasant materialistic conditions where we will actually want to listen to him. In this time, physically present is this messenger with many of history’s most cherished and beloved historical figures. They wait for our obsession with materialism to leave a sufficient bitter taste that we may be open to consider a simple message: ‘share the world’s resources’.

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By C.S, November 9, 2010 at 11:44 am Link to this comment
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The Masses !!!  My grandmother wrote for The Masses.

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By archivesDave, November 9, 2010 at 2:51 am Link to this comment

Know Thine Enemy:

No matter what your thoughts are on Glenn Beck,
(I personally see him as a Master Obfuscator)....

I highly recommend spending a few minutes on this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnTFjqsSnb4&NR=1

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By Orbis Unum, November 9, 2010 at 2:47 am Link to this comment

This, as well as previous postings, an others to follow repeatedly, until someone accepts the challenge to prove otherwise, touching upon evidentiary facts of solution oriented paradigms, will be proffered from my deepest hope, that whomever actually uses the Science of Right Reason or either knows someone who purports to act or do so, will submit the evidence we proffer to either contradict such evidence, line for line…or support the premise from a duty to humanity. And, from a deep seated responsibility to the present generation and future generations of children everywhere, in hopes of preventing their subjugation and condition of mind, evincing a design of their total enslavement of All Walks of Life.

I challenge the world, international jurists, purported human rights organizations, and any other purportedly interested in TRUTH & JUSTICE!!! Failure to do so, will be evidence for this generation and future generations, that the world, every geopolitical body of governance, international jurists, human rights organizations, columnist, posters herein, and such purported individuals don’t give one iota about solution oriented paradigms. And, are nothing more than harbingers of fraud and agencies of deceitful misrepresentation for the global oligarchy! PERIOD! 

So, the motive for our challenge is to state our just cause before a Candid World. To discover whether their perfect for their condition of subjugation or otherwise. Offering nothing other than complaints and endless bickering, rather than being solution oriented. Our hope is, the reasoning behind or at the forefront of their laudable efforts, wherever postulated as so, is because of their Good Will in the interest of Universal Peace to foster guidance necessary to sustain solution oriented paradigms as we humbly proffer.

Having said all this, I will be constantly vigilant, awaiting evidenced, line for line, contrary to the documentary evidence we have proffered!

In support of the challenge aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts we present, if they have any honorable bone in them, to accept the challenge, by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

If no one accepts to prove us wrong, according to the Rules (line for line) of the proffered evidence, then it is ipso facto, an unrebutted presumption of relevant fact, that what we say, concerning every geopolitical body of governance, international jurists, human rights organizations, columnist, posters herein, and such purported individuals, are in total agreement with our presumption of facts, actually and idiomatically, and don’t give one iota about solution oriented paradigms or the enslavement of this planet by the global oligarchy. And, are nothing more than harbingers of fraud and agencies of deceitful misrepresentation for the global oligarchy! PERIOD! 

Again, we honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise. Not by generalities but Line for Line.

And, once again as our humble attempt for those capable of presenting facts line for line, in the light of reasonable propositions or otherwise, just as a reminder for all those who honorably exchange ideas within the ‘Truthdig Forum’ while refraining from hateful or insolent behavior…always remember, sometimes while exchanging ideas, the time and respect we give, from a deep seated desire to foster harmonious behavior to garner enlightenment, can be met on the road of hopeful enlightenment, by those seeking to discourage, rather than exhorting to greater possibilities. My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!!!

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By ChaviztaKing, November 9, 2010 at 2:32 am Link to this comment

DEAR SOCIALIST BROTHERS IN CHRIST, MARX, MARTIN LUTHER KING, GEORGE CARLIN, STEWART ALEXANDER (SOCIALIST PARTY USA CANDIDATE), AMY GOODMAN, ALAN MAASS, BOB AVAKIAN, HUGO CHAVEZ AND CHIEF SITTING BULL WHO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE EATING FROM FOOD BANKS, SHOPPING FROM THRIFTY STORES AND POORESTS OF AMERICA LIKE THE UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGAL CITIZENS, THE HOMELESS, THE AMERICAN INDIANS, THE POORS AND THE PRISONERS.

http://www.masspartyoflabor.org/

Democ-rats, Republic-rats, and Tea-Rats only care about the rich upper classes (About those yuppies and ‘haves’ you see driving Volvos, Lexus shiny SUVs). What we the poor need is a United Socialist Front which would install a temporary revolutionary socialist dictatorship using the police powers of the government to expropiate the wealth of the middle class yuppies and the super rich (Top 5% oligarchic class)

Those Democ-rat, Republic-rat, and Tea Party rats middle class self absorved assholes you see shopping at Target, Sams stores, Best Buy Stores, eating at Charlies Restaurants, and living the life of their time, and the time of their lives do not care about poor americans.  The poor people who buys clothes from Thrifty Stores, and who eat from Food Banks. 

It is time already for the homeless and poorest americans to unite into a Marxist-Leninist Socialist United Front with a lot of anger, and rage willing to overthrow the Democrats, Republicans and middle class yuppies out of power, and install a socialist workers government

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