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Posted on Apr 20, 2009
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Barack Obama prays during services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago in this 2004 photo. Obama resigned his 20-year membership in Trinity after controversial remarks by his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, threatened to derail his presidential candidacy.

By Chris Hedges

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“This government lied about their belief that all men were created equal,” Wright told his congregation. “The truth is they believed that all white men were created equal. The truth is they did not even believe that white women were created equal, in creation nor civilization. The government had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to get white women the vote. Then the government had to pass an equal rights amendment to get equal protection under the law for women. The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence [Thomas], who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan court that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to undo Roe vs. Wade, just like they are about to undo affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents and the government is still lying today. Governments lie.”

“ … When it came to treating the citizens of African descent fairly, America failed,” he said. “She put them in chains. The government put them in slave quarters. Put them on auction blocks. Put them in cotton fields. Put them in inferior schools. Put them in substandard housing. Put them in scientific experiments. Put them in the lowest-paying jobs. Put them outside the equal protection of the law. Kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education, and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. 

“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ Naw, naw, naw. Not God Bless America. God Damn America! That’s in the Bible. For killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating us citizens as less than human. God Damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and she is Supreme.”

There will be no delegation from the United States at the U.N. conference on racism. Not this year. Maybe not for several years. But the day will come, I hope, when justice will finally conquer hate, when the truth will allow us to speak as one nation. We can, on that day, send a delegation led by the Rev. Wright as part of reconciliation.

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By Night-Gaunt, May 4, 2010 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

In a spectrum out there in the universe of course those that could be beneficial for life would have life wouldn’t it? No coincidence is it? And in all the places that don’t have the conditions life may not appear there right? So it is self satisfying & serving to think that one is specially put there because one is alive to notice it, right? Even using the most conservative number concerning the probabilities for life to appear under optimum conditions with known parameters the lowest number is 10,000 in just our galaxy alone. (Mathematically that is.) It doesn’t include the life they have found here that survive in non-oxygen, methane atmosphere, freezing temperatures or the boiling point of water or only surviving off of the thermal emissions of “smoking stacks” deep under water either. Even so there are many obstacles including meteor bombardment and super volcanic eruptions to start with. All before intelligence would have a chance to appear and flower should it appear at all. [Intelligence isn’t necessary to survival, flexibility is.] Then they reach the point of where they can create weapons that could destroy themselves before they reach the point of wisdom with themselves.

We are at that point and the threat of self annihilation is still here. Also they have the power to crudely change their planet’s ecology and in so doing kill themselves as we are in the process of doing. To top it all off the most dangerous thing that could wipe us or any other species out is a Gamma Ray Burst if close enough would take out most life on earth. (3,000 light years) Depending upon the advancement of the species most would die off if they haven’t the ability to leave their world or mount some kind of defense against it. Coincidence? No. It just appears that way. Really it isn’t. Humans have this tendency to see patterns in things, which is why we can think and have religion and see things in Roschock ink blots or the Vigin Mary in smears on windows. It is how we are generally “wired” from inception. However it takes awhile to build it up. We are hardly mature at birth. Much construction still goes on in the brain and other parts of the body up until at least 27. Some things like education continue on as long as one is able and has a notion of doing so.

Yes we will have our differences but I won’t sneer at you as some do. I don’t find it constructive or prudent if not anti-pragmatic. Humanity is a group species, in some ways similar to hive insects but with individual personalities and no biological jobs to fulfill as such. Though with each person having their own skills and proclivities we need each other to have a whole functioning society. Religion can be the framework for that. But it must be a secular one in order to allow for all other religions and those of a secular point of view too. We will need it for the trials to come as climate changes forces extremism and dictatorship upon us as the most viable and pragmatic means in a world of scarcity and want. An easy road we must not travel.

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By Trithoverlies, May 4, 2010 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

Night-Guant that was much more informative but does a baby have intelligence from conception our before birth yes everything is already wired to explore their surroundings. so when did that intelligence form in the womb are was it there as soon as conception occurred we both have to agree on one thing was the DNA coding already intact when the egg and sperm became one. The Library was there and the little machines tat would make it work were their so was Intelligence, now don’t get me wrong here everyone is created equal but that doesn’t mean we all have the same intelligence, nor creativity I couldn’t paint a scene if my life depended on it; but My sister Phyllis can paint and draw and be creative My sister Doris can take a piece of wood and turn it into a fine base board and carve into it intricate designs I can’t but I can run rings around them when it comes to describing almost any Historical event. What I am saying is if Intelligence is from conception that means something and when you add the behaviors off the sperm in trying to penetrate and you add the egg is just in the exact right place to be penetrated it seems to me that is more than coincidence, At the Very least they developed together and since the programming was already intact it hard to see it developing after creation. The Earth is at just exactly the right distance from the sun for life to form, we have a moon that causes water to move to stimulate life we have just exactly the right mix of oxygen and other gases to promote life yes you can say that is all random but when you add this all up the chance of random selection is so close to nil that it kind of seals the deal something out there created just the right formula for life, and placed it at exactly the right distance from the sun to incubate life, and place the moon in such away that it has shielded us for the most part from the asteroid belt, the moon as well as body blocking duty also cause the tides to stir the pot and for life to grow and be stimulated into extending the process.  I can’t believe all these coincidences just happened so we sit on the opposite side in this issue and fair enough you have stated your beliefs and though personally disagree with your view I can say that you have the right to it just as I have the right to believe nothing is just coincidence this time for the most part we both expressed ourselves as men should I certainly do not hold you in contempt for your views and a would hope that you will at least listen to my worldview without showing contempt. I feel that we may always disagree on this but we can do so in good harmony I know you have thought out these answers of yours and therefore I hope you would understand that I have lived these fifty years, and seen a lot of scientific change even the Genome project now states that all humans came from an Original Eve and Adam. I use the names not biblical but to say first man and first woman which is what the Hebrew names mean.
               
            Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
                John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Night-Gaunt, May 4, 2010 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

Concerning the beak changes; look up “epigenetics” and you will find a new field opening up on that in biology. There are certain characteristics within the genome of expressed traits that can be modified by the environment for the next two or more generations. It doesn’t contradict evolution just expands it! It isn’t Lamark though because these are minimal changes within a general genome, not a complete change in them as he posited would happen. It is like driving a car and changing gears for a time going up steep hills as apposed of driving on flat land. Neither the car, engine or any part are different than before the transmission works its normal ways. See?

The whole problem I have with the whole god concept is that it claims that intelligence preceded creation. That just cannot work. Intelligence after it works but not before. By-the-way none of your side have given me adequate information on how your god came to be. In fact no information! Cosmology is still a young science. Darwin wasn’t a cosmologist was he? His work wasn’t “Origin of Life” now was it Truthnotlies? For your mind set there must always be a creator to a creation. Naturalism is foreign to you. There is always a supernatural agency behind what scientists call Nature isn’t it for you?

Free will only exists in a free environment but as I told you before it can’t be in a system ruled by something else. Are all the choices a rat has in a maze “free” to your way of thinking? As you have said your god rules everything so the idea of free will is modified by it. Something you refuse to explain head on because you can’t—-the contradiction is one you can never address adequately because you refuse to see it.

As for the stellar nurseries they are a fact brought about by observation—-check your facts on that. They are not hypothetical they are theories (which are hypothesies supported by observation) so please use the terms correctly.

Parrotting? You do me a disservice sir. I learned as you learned and came to conclusions. I have actually thought about it before I said it! Surprised? Don’t be.

As for “learning after dying” is why I call Christianity a death cult for that reason. Death is way too late. But then as the late great Dr. Stephen J. Gould said that the magisters of science and religion are separate and don’t meet. I agree. Though there are plenty who want them to be joined. I see that as a way to compromise science to make it the servant of religion. Because such religion would never be compromised for science. It has been in retreat as the areas previous hidden have been exposed. The hard core don’t like that one bit. How about you? Does it bother you?

“There is no contradiction between Faith and Science”-Dr. Zaius Chief Defender of the Faith in “Planet of the Apes.” If you have seen the movie you know that is a bald faced lie he said to Taylor as the proof of human habitation and more advanced technology was destroyed.

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By Trithoverlies, May 3, 2010 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt you are parrotting theories that have no proofe but let look again so the ashes start a new life do they well if you go to a forest where a fire has consomed it some years earlier you might say that but the facts are that the fire did not destroy the seeds burried under the soil though it did provid fertilizer for those seeds.  Take an Explossion does it bring about order of any kind not hardely only when man takes and designs a building hires the contractors and by the material does something grow out of the crator. As I have said Science is about experimentation, and observations
Yes they put forth Theories but most ar guided by the experiments and the observation. There are Scientific Theories but are they fact or Ideas only
when did you see one species lay an egg and voila a new species emerges. Or where are your evolutionary
layers they don’t exist are they atleast some of them would have been found. What has Evolution done then voila the Cambrian explossion, and graduated equilibium you say I don’t know about science but their you are wrong It behooves us to learn both factual science and theoretical science but we have proofs of factual Science but not with Theoretical Science it would only be prooven if someone had actually been their to see it happen and since I no of only one being that could have been there to observe it well I will believe theory is theory unless Sceince goes back to the drawing board and using these marvolus number crunching computers and finally break the code of that original one cell organism creating life from to chemicals in a vacum. Even so, what caused those two chemicals to be there? when did the incubator ooze form? what caused the upevil that created the center of the earth from which the earth we know came? What caused the big Bang? when did the first universe Happen? You see all we have for the creation of the Universes is unprooven Scientific Theories.
              Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies
                ohn R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Trithoverlies, May 3, 2010 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,
Calvinism states that not everyone can be saved I believe even the vilest murderer can be saved.  So you disparage my remarks on science I am NO Calvinist, but I was saying that since the universe has an end, It had a beginning. Since matter is what creates matter where did matter come from out of nothing? that goes against the laws of science and you know it as well, and since there was a beginning what caused it?  Your science people can’t answer it and have stopped looking for an answer they just assume it happened. Like they stopped looking for the chemical formula that they assume created life billions of years ago. I am not an old earth person but I do believe in Micro Evolution or as some call it adaptation. I just don’t buy the Idea that something as complex as human life could come by two simple chemicals mixing together in a vacum Environment some 4 or 5 Billion years ago. I believe Darwin got it wrong and even he began having doubts in his final years. The simple will not make the complex just as the complex will never make the simple, so we are stuck at an impasse What I was saying about the profanity was and is still true have I used any such language other then the word hell or hade’s they aren’t the same one is the holding cells and you seem to think its better to be a slave to the evil one (Lucifer) than the good one (Jesus Christ) Lucifer wants only one thing from you and that’s your soul to abide with him in torment maybe you don’t think there is a future after death than what is you purpose in life and why bother if it in the end will mean nothing? Just Think for awhile noodle it over I want press any more I just answer your criticisms of me and my savior so why are your so threatened that you must degrade someone else’s beliefs I just point out weak spots where they are in the Theory of Evolution not that it is wholly wrong I may believe Natural Selection does play some part in life, would that really shock you I just don’t buy it started it all.  Something all powerful had to exist to bring this into existence I believe he was and Is the God of Christianity, whether you believe that or not is up to you have I ever said it wasn’t your choice to make?  No I have said it has and will be your choice since the age of accountability. I showed you what scripture said it is because I don’t want you to miss the boat and if I am wrong I lose nothing, but If I am right you lose everything so that is my reason for continuing to respond because I care where you spend eternity as does God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Your stellar Nursery is a theory advanced by some but it is not proven check you fact I have. Now Evolution does not answer the very question that Darwin asked what is the origin of the Species check it out he nor Dawkins, or Hutchins, or Dennett will give a pat answer, nor will the brilliant Hawking’s, they all can only give unproven theories not facts Science is based on experimentation and observation did you know that 10 years after the beagle sat in the harbor of the Galapagos another naturalist visited and found some of Darwin’s notched beaked birds and found their beaks to have returned to the pre- drought size same as other birds on the Island? No I bet you didn’t know that why was it hushed up by science will you tell me or do you not know either? I am quite sure you bought the science teachers explanations without doing any research to check out, your teachers who for the most part parrotted what they were taught. I taught world and American History in High school and did exactly the same thing in world Civilizations and American History we were the worst thing and you know what to some extent it’s true but it also introduced democracy to a developing world nor did w take part after the boxers Rebellion in dividing up China.
              Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
                  John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Night-Gaunt, May 3, 2010 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

I would say stick with your religion because your knowledge of science is lacking but even in your religion it isn’t right,Trithoverlies/truthoverlie John R Bloxson Jr. First evolution doesn’t contravene anything in physics. Have you heard of “stellar nurseries” in your travels? Out of nebula stars are born, like the mythical phoenixes from their own ashes, these stars arise! So your idea of the Law of Entropy is missing the elements where matter organizes too. A counter balance to the universe. A self organizing system. True the latest projections are that Dark Matter will tear everything apart in about 100 billion years, but that is something else, not what you were talking about.

As for profanities, I rarely indulge. You just didn’t like the colloquialism I used in relation to Master and Slave which is what Christianity is. It doesn’t matter that the slave adores their master either. I have very little choice between the Lady and the Tiger if someone else is the one giving me no choices but their own now am I? Can you even understand that in the haze & fog of your religion? All Atheism promises is that there is no guilt in living, no Original Sin from which all of that guilt is based, just living. Without Humanism all such ideas of living become barbarous. No philosophy or theosophy is benevolent without it.

You do know that destiny means preordained? Sounds more like Calvinism to me. NO free choice there either. That all things are predestined since before creation. So the idea of “free will” as you posit is in fact a lie. A mocking jest to those of us who actually want to think and act for ourselves outside of that lock box you call the Christian world.

Considering the crowning terror of shoel* is that the inmates have no contact with their god is supposed to be so bad. Not me. No problem. Already living it.

What I say is more for others than you Truthnotlies. But I wish you would respond more closely to what I ask of you directly.

*The idea of Hell partly came from the Semitic group of religions, the Greeks of course from Hades/Pluto and the name from the Scandinavian Goddess of the Dead Hel for the moniker not-to-be-named. In its original form it was just the “Lake of Fire” for eternal torment for mortal transgressions. (Such a good understanding God isn’t it? Very unfair too, so typically human.)

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By Trithoverlies, May 2, 2010 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

Night-Guant,
I have nowhere used profanity in my arguments for God, but it seems you have a natural proclivity for them.  I died on the operating table 10 years ago I was without oxygen for twelve & one half minutes my heart stopped, and both lungs collapsed. In fact the Doc. was about to call time of death when my heart started beating again and they were able to re inflate my lungs. so I feel I have a right to explain something Hell exist, and so does Heaven It Has always been your choice as to where you will spend eternity, and I’m sorry to tell you there is no orgies in ether place so your in for a major let down when you die.  God gave you something animals don’t have its called fee will you can choose to do right or wrong, and that is a great freedom and also a great burden. God will allow you the freedom to choose your destiny, and will indeed be sad when you choose hell but he will allow you that decision. And back off so that small voice trying to warn you will become less frequent and its volume will lessen but it is still you who chooses, not God. In fact God made hell originally for the rebelling angels that chose to follow Satan over God. But when Adam chose to rebel he brought the fall of all humanity to the condition its in now sin is sin right is right wrong is wrong and every man woman and child is tainted by their human nature to sin. You don’t have to teach a toddler to lie he or she does it, in fact you don’t have to teach a infant to manipulate they learn it almost as soon as the breath on their own.  So what is it that you don’t want to do? It will be done by you anyway either you find Jesus now and bow a knee on your own or you bow a knee at the Great White throne admitting you choose your destiny yet hating God because he followed through on the sentence. You know the sentence for sin it is death and then eternal punishment, we all deserve that sentence: For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, No one is righteous no not one. everyone does what he thinks is right in his own heart paraphrased from the Bible. God will not be mocked and every word that you or I speak will be brought before us in judgment the only difference I decided willingly to follow Jesus and when the righteous Judge rules all my sins past and present will be covered by the blood of the lamb Jesus Christ. what you didn’t think Christians sinned well I hate to break this to you we are Human and deal with that every day of our lives maybe you have such a negative Idea because someone claiming to be a Christian hurt you deeply. I don’t know but if that is the case I will tell you there’s a 99% chance that that person was actually what we call a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I would apologize if that’s the case but the good news is even when we sin we have an advocate with God Jesus Christ,& just as we have an accuser Satan. In first John we are told that if we say we are without sin we are deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us; but here’s the good news If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Gospel means good news so the gospel message is about hope and true love. I have a burden on my heart for you and will continue to keep you in my prayers whether you like it or not but as I have continually said you are the one who ultimately decide your eternal destiny the ball has always been in your court its up to you, ad evolutions annihilationism is the true lie, first if it were true there would be no purpose for living no reaso to become a Doc, or politician because it would all be meaningless the earth is going to die the universe is going to die. All humanity is headed for death so why dedicate your life to a cause that want matter this is the true bankruptcy of Atheism.  Evolution is Science you say well it defies several laws,the second law of thermodynamics, and the law on matter. Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Night-Gaunt, May 2, 2010 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

Let me get this straight, god created everything, including shoel and the damnation if any do not kiss his celestial ass and shower him with what every narcissist craves—-adulation. But it is my fault for not wanting to go along with that particular orgy? Excuse me if my standards are higher. The choice isn’t mine because I didn’t set up the outcomes—-your god has by your own mythos. So it isn’t mine for not going along but the Omnipotent One for putting me in that false choice situation, it is the All Powerful One for doing so not a powerless mortal like myself. Rats in the maze comes to mind too. Look at Moncton‘s Fork for human examples of false choice scenarios set up under the appearance of freedom when in fact it isn’t. [Our present political system qualifies.] Yours is the same mind set.

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By Trithoverlies, May 1, 2010 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment

When the article was posted back 2009 some people were offended on both sides of the race issue But this is what offended me His gospel was not the gospel of true Liberation taught in the Bible but that of the Communist manifesto, Das Kapital and Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book. Not the true liberation gospel which frees from Satan’s chains but a liberation that instead teaches hatred and bigotry no different then the Klu-Klux-Klan. Racism comes in all colors so why do we still seem to elevate those who teach and preach it.  Westboro Baptist is another such case in point they preach and teach a gospel of hatred so I don’t want to be one sided here I believe that the true gospel has the power to change and free lives but to many don’t read the Bible and thus don’t know what it actually does say they just look to their pastor to tell them what the Bible says. This is the sad truth of Bible illiteracy in a nation where you can buy a Bible almost anywhere.

              Trithoverlies/truthoverlies
                  John R Bloxson Jr.

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By Trithoverlies, May 1, 2010 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

Night-Guant I was truly saddened by your comments but God isn’t the evil one we are when you lie you sin when we look upon another with lust ywe sin so are you guilty yes just as is the rest of the human race. But God doesn’t want you to go to hell by way of Hades; but it is your choice. If you don’t recognize sin as rebellion than I truly feel very sorry for you, because what awaits is your own doing not Gods.
          Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
              John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 30, 2010 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

Well come back Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies/John R Bloxson Jr! But then when the tzitzimines come for you it will be your own fault for not being ready now won’t it? If I have to go to your shoel then I go defiantly against an unjust & evil entity. But to me it is no more real than Bel-Marduk or Odin is.

Also I never mentioned anything about “blood sacrifice” now did I? I talked about “scape-goats”*. So you are a Messianic Jew, you have been converted away from your original religion by apostates, how lovely. They aren’t interested in killing you, just co-opting your religion till it is extinct. To them, the Dominionists, that is enough. As their title says, they are interested in dominating everyone and every thing. Their ultimate plan is to have the earth prepared for their deity to come back. You see for them their is not “taking up” and that everyone is already prejudged. Theirs is influenced heavily by Calvin.

* I am aware that the repository goat that was set free to take the evils of the town away was slaughtered out of sight.

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By Trithoverlies, June 24, 2009 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

Night-gaunt,
I am both Jewish and Christian we do not offer blod sacrifices every year because the Messiah died once for all do I believe that Rebinical Judaism is wrong yes but I also practice Passover Pasuach as we call it I honor the Jewish dead and the cultural achievements made by my people I just differ in that I believe the Messiah has come once but most people weren’t reaady for Him He is comming again and if you aren’t ready for him it is your fault not mine I tell about my Messiah but al who chose to remain in their own religeous group it is between them and God Not between me and them.  So your bias was deffinitely showing.  I will never force my beliefs on you as some in Islam will, Radical Socialism doesn’t believe in religion at all and because of that all who opennly practice their religeous beliefs are fair game for persecution The Bible is very clear that the ruling society at the end of the age will be just such a radical socialist society millions will face death because of the religeous beliefs, whether they believe Mohamid, the Vadas, Buhdda won’t matter one bit all will be targets in the time a time I unfortunately believe is fast approaching but you want find me shouting God D-mn the whites or the protestants, or the Catholics, or Buhddist, or Muslim, or Hindu excetra… I personally believe their is one way to get to God and it is John 14:6 but I know that many will not accept that so it will come down to being between each one of them and Jesus it will sadden me that so many will chose wrongly but it is they who must choose notI so once they are told and understand what I believe they are left to investigate and make their own choice and then it is a personal choice not one I force on them which never works in reality look at all the different forms Islam takes today each holds some beliefs in common but they are as differant as night and day and for the last 1460 some years they have been killing each other as well as Christians and Infadels.
  Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R Bloxson Jr.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 24, 2009 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

I wish you would define what “radical socialism” is? But then radical anything is usually very bad for someone. Like Radical Christianity [Dominionist strain] have no love of Judaism or Islam or any other type of religion or philosophy not approved of by them. They want to convert the Jews to believe that Jesus is Lord and God. Extermination not of their bodies but of their culture. That too qualifies as genocide.

Dictatorship, of the King, is approved of by the Bible and Koran and Torah. Democracy &/or republics are not. So for them to turn us into a theocracy is well within how they operate. That is the threat to us. http://www.talk2action.com/ covers a great deal of how it is spreading in our country and how they are moving all over the world. They and others who propound their radical and fundamentalist views on the rest of us are a danger to our liberties. Just look at the 878 foreign bases we have. Larger than the Romans, British and French combined! We still aren’t an empire yet but the pieces are in place to make us one.

The wrongly rev. Wright statements are old and come from Europe about the Jews as being outsiders and scape goats for all the ills that occur. A sad legacy.

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By Trithoverlies, June 23, 2009 at 10:52 pm Link to this comment

What Fempatriot forgot is that when you hear the whole conversation you find that he was using Hyperbally, which is much differant than the Promise that Amahenajad, and Others namely Hezbullah, and Hamas spew they believe and want to finish what Hitler started. There are 4 to 5 million arab palestinians on the west bank and Gaza. the slim majority want a peace but their leaders want it all they Want El Kuds (Jerusalm) back and every Jews Murdered. At the same time In the State of Israel 1.2 or 1.3 Million Arabs live and work and are citizens of the State. Yes a few want more than they have a right to and in fact agian for the record the Palestinian/Arabs where pushed into Camps not by the Jews but by their fellow Arabs of Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. Have a million Palestinian/Arabes been gassed? No, a half a million? NO, a quarter million? NO. not even tens of thousands of Palestinian/Arabs. Yes some terrorist murders have been hunted down and killed, Yes some arrested and inprisoned why? Not because they are innocent, but because they are guilty of evil acts. Your problem Fempatriot is you don’t believe in pure evil that some people don’t just speak Hyperbally they actually do what they say they are going to do. For two years Sadam Said he was going to invade Kuwait and he kept his evil promise for 10 years the world set and watched him murder over 300,000 people yet we did nothing, just as we watched Hitler make promise after promise to do what he said he would do and yet until 1939 no one seemed to believe him and when we saw the true expanse of his evil in 1945 we chaulked it up to him being insane why?  Because we didn’t believe that such evil existed. We watched as Pol pot promised to and then did murdered 1.5 million Cambodians and still didn’t believe in true evil, we watched for 80 years the Comunist of the Soviet Union murder millions but again we didn’‘t believe in pure evil we watched Chairman Mao murder 20 to 30 million during the cultural revolution and we still don’t believe in pure evil. We watched as Ruwanda exploded into the murder of over 1 million and did nothing, Why because we didn’t believe in Pure EVIL, we watched as 1 Million were murdered in Chad and again we didn’t beleive in Evil, we have watched as more than 300,000 Christains have been murdered in Sudan yet we still refuse to believe in pure evil we watched on television as two plans flew into the world trade Center Towers and still we don’t believe in pure evil, Not one of the 19 Terrorist was from a poor family not one had been unemployed for years not one was uneducated, so why did they do it pure evil thats why. In Iraq three mentally retarted people were wired to suicide belts and when they were in the middle of the Shopping area the bombs were remotely detinated why because of pure Evil. When will we learn when its happening to Us personally that may finally bring you on the liberal side to the truth there is pure evil loosed in this world and its vortex will probably suck us down as it overwhelms any decency. If it isn’t Radical Islam it will be Radical Socialism which hates Jews, Christians and anyone willing to stand up to it.
    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
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...Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as quoted by prominent Israeli journalist, Amos Oz.  (Les voix d’Israel, Calmann-Levy, Paris, translated by Guy Seniak. The interview is on pages 79-91.)
Leibowitz is right, we are Judeo-Nazis, and why not?...now don’t be shocked, if they (Israel’s founders) instead had killed six million Arabs here or even one million, what would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty pages would have been written in the history books, we would have been called all sorts of names, but we could be here today as a people of 25 million…Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us…”

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By Trithoverlies, June 16, 2009 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,
I am open to Homosexual Civil Unions, which is no differant the the Civil Unions already granted under secular government. Marriage is a religious covenant not a Civil covenant. I pray for all sinners including my self which I must remember daily I am not better than anyone else and am in fact worse than some. I will not be anothers Judge I will tell you what I believe then it’s between you and God. Jesus will Judge all man kind at one of three Judgments 1 the Judgment seat or Bema for all Christians, the Judgment of all living at the end of the Great Tribulation, and or the Great White Throne Judgment of all those who will be given the place they chose while alive Hell God will only give what they willed for themsselves nothing more A Preacher I believe it was Adrian Rogers said That Jesus will look saddly into the eyes of those lost souls and with tears say not MY will but your will be done as they are cast forever into the Lake of Fire. The man who appointed himself Judge Jury and exicutioner will face Jesus and pay for his sins the White Supremist will also stand before God one Day and pay the price for his sins, and the 23 year old American Muslim Convert will one day stand before Jesus and face His sins no one will escape Judgment a Christians works will be tried in the fire and all hay and stubal burned up but He will not face the Great White throne Judgment, those who survive the 7 years of Tribulation will face Judgment also if they chose the Mark and Worship the Beast or His image they will face eternity seperated from God if they choose to sit the fence and not go either way they will have chosen and if they chose to accept Jesus as Savior and LORD they will go into the Millenial Kingdom with the Jewish people who finally looked upon Him whom they pierced and recognize their Messiah. What I am saying is I will not judge a person because I know not the heart I will tell those committing sin about the sin, I will give my testimony but what a person does with Jesus in the end is up to that person. I will pray that Jesus reaches them but they have to chose just as I once chose I recognized my own sinful condition but I still strugle with the flesh nature daily and some times it wins but I have an advocate with the Father and know what to do when I fall down. Its all about Jesus not me I am a sinner saved by unmeritted Grace (God’s riches at Christ Expense.). So I try to follow the dictates of the Jesus Christ of the Bible He is the answer no other, but if you chose another thats in the end between you and God. This is where I stand and if the day comes and the Government decides I am an enemy than I will stand on Christ Shoulders come what may.
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By Night-Gaunt, June 13, 2009 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

In the end product this statement by Wright is a distraction and fodder for the Obama haters, like on GOP Fark News.

Wright may even be partially correct in his statement but it doesn’t help what he said and how he said it. Did he mean Rob Emmanuel and his aids? Or someone else? It sounded too much like the Klan talking at first from him. But only at the beginning.

I hope you too, Truthnotlies, can also be open minded on a great many things.

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By garth, June 13, 2009 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

Obama’s administration might be in real trouble if he tries to finagle the bagel in the upcoming Health Insurance Vote the same way he stepped aside in the Credit Card bill and let Byron Dorgan and nine other Democrats sell the credit card users down the drain.
I think Obama’s going to try to sidestep the Insurance confrontation with Big Pharma, the AMA, Blue Cross/Blue Shield et al, the Chamber of Commerce etc. by using the old Pro Wrestling ploy:  introduce a new ogre, someone more theatrically audacious than anyone on the Health insurance industry’s side. 
And that is Jeremiah Wright. Wright said, when asked by an interviewer Wednesday whether he has spoken to President Barack Obama since the latter took his oath of office, Jeremiah Wright replied:

“Them Jews aren’t going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he’ll talk to me in five years when he’s a lame duck, or in eight years when he’s out of office…. They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is…. I said from the beginning: He’s a politician; I’m a pastor. He’s got to do what politicians do.”

Wright went on to condemn Israel, saying:

“Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing [by] the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don’t want Barack talking like that because that’s [supposedly] anti-Israel.”

No doubt the MSM will turn their heads and drop the coverage of the fight for a change in health insurance and they’ll run to highlight the brouhaha between Obama’s camp and his old pastor.  I can feel a major speech coming on, an expansion on racism and anti-semitism.
Obama can’t stand up to any of these people.  That’s not why he was put there in the first place.  He’s there to make the majority of low information voters proud that he or she is an American and that they can no longer be criticised right off the bat for being racist.  While he’s making those people feel better about themselves, he’s shuckin’ an’ grinnin’ with the press corp, using his folksy charm to win them over with such phrases as, “All right, guys.”
And then we will come to the new banking regulations.  Robert Reich pointed out last night on Bill Moyers that we can’t go backwards on this issue.  Obama will need to pull off another “pro wrestling” stunt with that issue, too.

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By Trithoverlies, June 12, 2009 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,
What you wrote reassures me that you still have an open mind to some thing. I felt your heartfelt sorrow at what the Rev. Wright said. I do dissagree that it is the only thing he has said that was outright wrong but I am sure that he has been right on a few issues as well.
    Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
      John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 12, 2009 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

Yes, after I heard Rev.Wright say those words I was sorry. He had made so many other good and true points in the past but this is wrong on so many levels. I would say it to his face if I could. He should not be listened to anymore than Lewis Farrakan & Alan Dershowitz who in each case wrecked their credibility by supporting infamy and wrong things. “Judaism is a gutter religion,” and “...torture can be used in some cases...” respectively. No excuse for this, none at all.

He shouldn’t apologize for what he says if he actually believes it. It wouldn’t be sincere.

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By Trithoverlies, June 11, 2009 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

I just heard the Rev. Wright.
say the Jews want let him talk to the president. This kind of remark is not Biblical Christianity in any way shape or form. His remarks show some of the same hate that burnt in the attacker at the Holicaust Musem, and was spewed by the young man that shoot and killed one soldier and wounded another in at a Arkansas recruiting station, and the Militia Member who murdered Doctor Tiller.
I did not expect this vehiment hatred from a self proclaimed Christian so I begin to wonder what he was teaching to our president for 21 Years.  Jesus was Jewish, all the disciples were Jewish, the early church was mostly Jewish. I wonder how he can justify his rant Joe what war criminals Osama Ben Laden, Sadam, Hamas,Hezbullah, The Wahabist, the Talaban, Alquada, The Islamic Brotherhood if you mean them yes its time to breakup their fundraising, its time to begin sentancing them for their crimes against humanity. But if You mean Pres. Bush , Vice Pres. Chenny, or any other American then you are no less bias then Osama Ben Laden, Sheik Nezrollah, or Sheik Mohomid, or the Man who killed Doctor Tiller, or the Muslim Convert that opened fire in front of a recruiting station, or the White Surpremist that opened fire at the National Holicaust Musem, or one of the 19 muslims who flew the planes into buildings and the ground.
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By Trithoverlies, April 28, 2009 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

The sad thing is that many people were killed because they were decieved by the god of this world. You, and I are sinners from birth tainted.  We today recognize an age of accountability, but that is also subjective did the Caanenites deserve to be wipped out God said so the flood did it about thirty five hundred years ago only 8 people survived, and the caaninites did it before the Israelites. Believe me I don’t know and you don’t know truly how evil the Caaninites were, but God Is Holy He hates sin any sin and all sin, “The wages of sin is death,” not the wages of murder, nor the wages of rape, or Addultery, or Theft, or Disobedience to parents, but ALL SIN. If a holy God will not allow even the Idea of sin to enter heaven than we are all forfiet but that same Holy God did what we can’t do. We can never pay for our sin so He stepped out of heaven “the word became flesh and dwelt among us”, and took our place on the cross to pay the price of our sin. So were they innocent Caananites? by Gods standards no but buy mans standards yes were there any bad Israelites yes and good by our standdard yes but by Gods Standdards He still had The Northern Kingdom destroyed by Assyria in 723 B.C. and the survivors marched into captivity. Judah the Southern Kingdom was ravaged but not completely destroyed by Babylon in 587 B.C. for their sin. Jeremiah the weeping prophet and a remnant were not taken away to Babylon. Why? it was because some did find favor with God because they were trying to do the right thing, but you and I know that if we were all judged solely on our actions none of us would stand we would all be thrown into the Lake of Fire guilty on all counts. You can condone sin as much of the world is doing today. Allow brothels of children, because that society says its alright as the Posativstic Judges say, or you can stand against the practices of White slavery especially for Prostitution. Do we stand are fall on morality or do we choose life over death, sin over whats right?  There are unnatural acts being allowed around the world today that are just wrong yet all to many today are silent Two Women caught in the act of lesbianism in the Talhiban controled Pakestan area were tried by Sharia Law found guily were the wrong yes but did they deserve to be exicutted. This would be considered to be right according to the Posativistic Judge yes. In Vermont a Posativistic Judge sentenced a repeat child rapist to five years probation was this right according to the Posativistic lawyers and judges yes. There is a point we must either stand with the crowd in the wrong or part from the crowd and stand against what is wrong, but at what point do you do that? Or do you just seperate and try to live in your little Island the truth is you can’t was it wrong 3400 years ago for the Caananites to be wipped out in that time and place God said No. Today with the advent of God’s Grace would He order differantly? I believe He would but thats todad based on the teachings of Jesus The Christ, not Mohammid, and not the other idols worshipped today. In a culture where the innocent are murdered while the guilty get away, Abortion is murdere according to the fact that it is the destruction of a living life form so I through out this should the People the committ the Abortion be held accountable our laws legilated from the bench say no I say No. If they never repent of their sin they will pay the full price for their inequity in the after life, but isn’t grace sweet we all deserve death but God offers us life.
          Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
            John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By CaptainAldo, April 26, 2009 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

There are serious answers to this on TheLuminousCompass.com an istrument for multidirectional awareness

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By A. Z. Arrow, April 24, 2009 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

Questions for Debraj (above)

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THE REAL ISSUE:

Is the President of Iran right, or is he wrong?

Why shouldn’t the nations of the world not be unified in condemning Israel’s embargo of Gaza?

Is Israel practicing ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian population or no?

Hasn’t the Israeli regime spent the past 60 years terrorizing their neighborhood?

Why did they invade and destroy Lebanon in 2006?

Why are the Israeli and US leaders so xenophobic and psychotic? so militaristic? and aggressive? Why do they subordinate their peoples and squander their public wealth in a quest for conquest and Empire? What is wrong with these governments, and with their war-loving policies?

Are the leaders of Israel anything other than racist in the treatment of Palestinians? Why did the Israeli Army cover-up the murder of Rachael Corrie?

Some Israelis, as well as a growing number of Jewish Americans think that the Israeli government’s activities go way beyond racism -and they characterize these as“fascistic.” The President of Iran did not go that far in the Racism Conference.

We know that Israel is NOT a democracy: they do not have a written Constitution, a Bill of Rights, and Jewish religious folks get preference in matters of citizenship, ownership, and within their trump-up and biased courts. Palestinians are treated like animals by the Israeli state, military, and police. This cannot be democratic: it sounds like a VIOLENT THEOCRATIC STATE to me.

The government of Israel practices mass incarceration (based on ethnicity and cultural
identity,they torture prisoners to get names of associates so that the IDF can go and ssassinate these “people of the book,” and during these military assaults randomly murder any Palestinians that interferes, or happen, circumstantially, to be in the KILL ZONE -especially unarmed women and children.

The World knows what we are looking at -murderers –operating in the umbrella of institutional government TERROR as POLICY.

Those who walked out of the World Racism Conference seek to avoid the truth.

Those who exited the Conference acted like “white” supremacist that back Zionist supremacist. Good riddance to these dogmatic supporters from “white” nations that glorify supremacy and torture.

Shame on America, and Canada, especially, for walking out of this conference! There was
no reason to leave.

Instead, lets get real and face the reality of racism—along with the majority of
nations:

Israel reportedly has 200 nuclear weapons. If there is going to be a genuine peace thenIsrael must be stripped of these nukes. They can set an example by destroying their nuclear arsenal: the world cannot permit one nation to act like a blood-thirsty insaniac,to perpetually threaten their neighbors with wars of aggression, and to implicitly threaten nuclear assault when other people and nations arm themselves in defenseagainst this injustice and against these unwarranted threats of war.

In the Name of All-of-Humanity,

>>A.Z. Arrow  
April 24, 2009
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By Night-Gaunt, April 24, 2009 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

“But again the Canaanites where sacrificing Children to Idols raping Children and having sex as a form of religious worship and had been so deceived they didn’t listen to the truth even when Sodom was destroyed for its perversions it didn’t stop the the Canaanites from murders, sexual sins and child sacrifices. They were finally exterminated for their crimes against humanity not, because the Jewish People wanted the land. Did the Canaanites deserve to be destroyed because of the sin and continued rebellion against what is right?”Truthnotlies

Actually Tuthnotlies the Jews were given the land by their god JHVH so they came in and killed not only every murderer and rapist but the families of all the people down to babes in arms, pregnant women and toddlers playing in the dust and even to the beasts of the field were slaughtered for that rampant Thunder God JHVH’s command. It is unknown if any Judeans could not murder innocents and refused to do it and what happened to them either.

“P.S. The leftist leaning people have already branded me a Right wing Neo-Fascist but they’re wrong as usual the Nazi’s are on the same end of the line as the Socialist and the Communist. The Nazi’s are the National Socialist Party. By the way.”Truthnotlies

Yes Trith you and others like have said time and again that the Nazis were left wingers merely because they have “socialist” in their name. It is what they do and stand for that make them a right winger and too close to the same types running the Republican party here. Worship the military, human rights are less important, business over people, profit over life of others. Hitler made his deals with the big industries in Germany where they could do what they want as long as they worked with the NSDAP and the Lutheran church. Leftists deal in class, right wingers with race. Nazis are racists. Socialism is used across the spectrum not just “on the left” as you so think. If you doubt check out http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm  for some visual proof. Would you consider Franco and Mussolini to be leftists or rightists? This is not a trick question.

As for historical revisionism, how are you on the history of the USA? Were we at any time a “Christian Nation” or not? I await your answer.

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By Trithoverlies, April 24, 2009 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

Some people continually point to the Bible as the origen of Holy War but what about enslaving an intire culture as the Egyptians did before the Bible’s first Five books were written what about the reported wars of extermination launched by the Chin in China? what about the murders of whole villiges in India around 3000 B.C. the age of mans hatred of fellow man is not about the Bible. Does the Bible include religeous wars yes, does it include atrocities yes, does the Egyptian histories of the same time talk of Egyptian atrocities NO does the Early Summerian Histories do so No, The Childean No Hitite No Phonecian No so the transparency of the Bible was in its time a refreshing change. But agian the Canaanites where sacrificing Children to Idols raping Children and having sex as a form of religeous worship and had been so decieved they didn’t listen to the truth even when Sodom was destroyed for its perversions it didn’t stop the the Canaanites from murders,  sexual sins and child sacrifices. They were finally exterminated for their crimes against humanity not, because the Jewish People wanted the land. Did the Canaanites deserve to be destroyed because of the sin and continued rebellion against what is right? Yes I believe their was a time when they could have turned away from their depravity but they chose instead to continue in it and even became more depraved. A serial Killer deserves death for his or her crimes but sometimes they get leinancy do to real remorse if the Canaanites had shown any remorse for their crimes they would have been forgiven but they didn’t repent of their depravity and thus were thrown on the trash heap which they had chosen for themselves having been warned repeatedly by drought, famine, and plagues they increased their depravity. Also remember that To continually rebel against God still means death for the wages of sin is death and just as the Canaanites recieved their wages so has every person since who has died in their rebellion against God. The Gibbons arguments where given in a time when Anti Semitism was growing throughout Europe and would explode in 1932 with the Election of Aldoph Hitler in Germany the Rise of Stalin’s purges and the anti semite growth of the Vichy party in France. So are the Jews singled out for their perculularities are just as a convenient scapegoat for the worlds problems of poverty, and hatred yes. Do the Palestinians bare any blame for their own conditions yes and do those who fled in 1948 deserve the right to come back no! But because the rising tide of Anti-Semitism sweeping the world today they should be allowed back due to their hatred of the Jew. Is the Jewish State guilty of Aparthied No Is the Palestinian Authorities Yes so Hamas and Fatah continue to get a pass while those dirty Jews are banded tried and convicted in the court of public opinnion by the Leftist who still don’t recognize evil because it is within them.
        Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
          John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. The leftist leaning people have already branded me a Right wing Neo-Fascist but they’re wrong as ussual the Nazi’s are on the same end of the line as the Socailist and the Comunist. The Nazi’s are the National Socialist Party. By the way the latest ploy by Radical Fascist Islam is that the Jews never had a capital in Jerusalem and the there was never a temple on the Temple Mount They would rather revise History than admitt the Truth. Just as Rev. Wright denies that Jesus didn’t teach hatred, but love of his fellow man “do good for those who spitefully use you” is this hate. No that is what Jesus said during one of His sermons.

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By Anarcissie, April 24, 2009 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

dunablue22:
’... The conference was important and misrepresented in most Western media….’

I am curious as to what you see as an important result, or even potential, in the conference.  Reading around the Net (which I suppose is “Western media”) all I see reported are denunciations of the usual suspects by the other usual suspects, and vice versa.  I really doubt that representatives of the ruling classes of national states can behave constructively around such a problem; the temptation to score points for posturing will be generally irresistible.  The only hope I can see for the success of a conference about racism would be if (1) politicians, bureaucrats and other state representatives and agents were excluded and (2) participants were restricted to talking about their efforts to deal with racism within their own communities.  But there is always a great deal I don’t know.

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By dunablue22, April 24, 2009 at 8:04 am Link to this comment

Well, “Racism, an endemic feature of Israeli and American society, is not, we have decided, open for international inspection.” The history of racism in these two societies can not just be clamped together so easily. And, that is the problem with this commentary which is filled with sanctimonious rubbish. It’s a problem with journalism weak on analysis and strong on polemic. As we used to say, “preaching to the converted.”
The conference was important and misrepresented in most Western media; unfortunately you didn’t do a very good job of altering that perception.

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By Peter, April 22, 2009 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment
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Colin Powell didn’t attend the 2001 Racism Conference in Durban, RSA.  The late-Congressman Lantos represented the USA.

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By Folktruther, April 22, 2009 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie- it’s true that I don’t know anything about the slave trade.  But hte religious nationalism of the Jews is not solely a 20th century phenomenon.  Gibbon, for example, says, in discussing the intolerance of the Israelites’ religion compared to the Romans:


  “The sullen obstinacy with which they maintained their peculiar rites and unsocial manners seemed to mark them out as a distinct species of men, who boldly professed, or faintly disguised, their implacable hatred to the rest of humankind.”

Allowing for Gibbon’s exaggeration- he was not a fan of the Christian religion either- the origins of current Zionist claims (the whole world is anti-semitic!) and ethnic cleansing has its historical origins in the holy massacres and sacred atrocities of the Jewish bible.  Indeed, like most traditional religion, especially monotheisms, the classic Jewish religion was a war ideology.

It’s quite true that most Jews don’t take the myths seriously.  But the underlying preconceptions and presuppositions apparently infected a fraction of Jews, like Sepharad and Inherit, who identified with earthly power with the same vehemance that the religous identify with Divine power.  As Gibbon says, contracted into a narrow current, it gained the force of a tulmult.

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By A. Z. Arrow, April 22, 2009 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Comment

THE REAL ISSUE:

Is the President of Iran right, or is he wrong?

Why shouldn’t the nations of the world not be unified in condemning Israel’s embargo of Gaza?

Is Israel practicing ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian population or no?

Hasn’t the Israeli regime spent the past 60 years terrorizing their neighborhood?

Why did they invade and destroy Lebanon in 2006?

Why are the Israeli and US leaders so xenophobic and psychotic? so militaristic? and aggressive? Why do they subordinate their peoples and squander their public wealth in a quest for conquest and Empire? What is wrong with these governments, and with their war-loving policies?

Are the leaders of Israel anything other than racist in the treatment of Palestinians? Why did the Israeli Army cover-up the murder of Rachael
Corrie?

Some Israelis, as well as a growing number of Jewish Americans think that the Israeli government’s activities go way beyond racism -and they characterize these as“fascistic.” The President of Iran did not go that far in the Racism Conference.

We know that Israel is NOT a democracy: they do not have a Constitution,a Bill of Rights, and Jewish religious folks get preference in matters of citizenship, ownership, and within their trump-up and biased courts. Palestinians are treated like animals by the Israeli state, military and police. This cannot be democratic: it sounds like a THEOCRATIC STATE to me.

The government of Israel practices mass incarceration (based on ethnicity and cultural identity),they torture prisoners to get names of associates so that the IDF can go and assassinate these “people of the book,” and during these military assaults randomly murder any Palestinians that interferes, or happens, circumstantially, to be in the KILL ZONE -especially unarmed women and children.

The World knows what we are looking at -murderers and fiends –institutional government TERROR as POLICY.

Those who walked out of the World Racism Conference seek to avoid the truth.

Those who exited the Conference are “white” supremacist that back Zionist supremacist.
Good riddance to these dogmatic supporters from “white” nations that glorify supremacy and torture.

Shame on America, and Canada, especially, for walking out of this conference! There was no reason to leave.

Instead, lets get real and face the reality of racism—along with the majority of nations.

>In the Name of All-of-Humanity,

April 22,2008

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By Anarcissie, April 22, 2009 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Folktruther:
’... If it is the case that a large proportion of Jewish businessmen were involved in the slave trade, it has enormous relevance to the racism and ethnic cleansing of Israel. ...’

It is worthwhile reading a comprehensive history of the slave trade.  At one point, just about every class and category of people who had the means in Europe and its American colonies were involved.  It would have been quite remarkable if no Jews were among those who participated, but of course many of those who could joined in, like everyone else.  Their participation says nothing particular about Jews.

I think modern racism and ethnic cleansing in Israel has more to do with 20th-century nationalism than with slavery.  The Israeli majority are not interested in enslaving the Arabs, they would simply like to expunge them from their scene by whatever means.  This is not very different from the Croats expunging the Serbs from Croatia (as one of many instances).  The United States is one of the few countries that has ever tried to deal with this issue as a problem to be solved, however fitfully and partially; most other national and ethnic communities have not even tried.  I don’t know what an international conference can do about this beside provide an opportunity for posturing.

By the way, if you go by net worth and income, the U.S. underclass (caste, actually) is not the Black people but the Hispanics.  When one has a low-level crap job to be done at the minimum wage one goes looking not for an African-American but a Mexican.

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By garth, April 22, 2009 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

The Reverend Wright Affair was all show.  He’s an asset of the Ford Foundation’s counter-insurgency project.  He drives a Porsch and lives in a gated community.
As you watch what unfolds in the ebb and flow of the Obama administration, think professional wrestling.

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By politicky, April 22, 2009 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges,

Thank you for posting the sections of Rev Wright’s sermon that the Foxnewztards missed in their attempt to take Obama down.

On the flip side I can’t help but wonder if you have ever lived in a poor mixed neighborhood?

I have, it’s frightening to be judged and hated by the color of your skin before the content of your character is known.

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By politicky, April 22, 2009 at 6:58 am Link to this comment

Virginia777,

metinks thou dost protest too much.

Aaron Lopez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Lopez
Aaron Lopez (born Duarte Lopez; 1731–1782) was a Jewish merchant and philanthropist. He became the wealthiest person in Newport, Rhode Island, in British America….
...Between 1761 and 1774, Lopez was involved in the slave trade….

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By marta, April 22, 2009 at 3:43 am Link to this comment
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The Jews showed Racism against the Arabs for “sixty” years, and the Bush Regime for the past eight years, and Obama follows, but an Arab dare not call the Jews——Racist?????

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By ajhil, April 22, 2009 at 3:19 am Link to this comment

William Smyth - Thank you for your well written, well researched repudiation of Truthoverlies’ rambling, ungrammatical screed against Jeremiah Wright. The comment about “little Eichmann’s” comes from Ward Churchill, a former University of Colorado professor in a ten year old essay, which has nothing to do with Rev. Wright. Churchill was, however, a recent target of right wind talk radio, which shows where Truthoverlies gets his “information”. Behind the veneer of Christian catch phrases, Truthoverlies reveals himself as a typical tool of the right. Those purveyors of bias and hatred say, “despise Rev. Wright” and he obeys in witless lockstep with the other right wing nuts, who flatter themselves as followers of Jesus, when they’re nothing of the kind. Instead they’re all pious words and hypocrisy (not to mention bad spelling.)

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By colin2626262, April 22, 2009 at 1:39 am Link to this comment

It’s not justice that will conquer hate.  Only love can conquer hate.

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By brewerstroupe, April 21, 2009 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

Stupid Stunt to Silence Meaningful Debate
By Stuart Littlewood

Last November’s Bulletin Board of the Board of Deputies of British Jews - the equivalent in Britain of AIPAC - announced that Elizabeth Harris, their Director of Public Affairs, attended the “preparatory committee” meeting in Geneva for the Anti-racism Conference and used the opportunity to have “constructive” meetings with the British Ambassador and representatives of other European countries. No doubt that’s when the stooges received their orders.
So the walkout at the UN had long been premeditated and pre-planned. It was a stupid stunt.

http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/04/stupid-stunt-to-silence-meaningful.html

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By TheHandyman, April 21, 2009 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

I began to loose interest in Obama as someone who would bring a fresh wind to the Whitehouse for basically 2 reasons. First, Obama denounced Wright. I listened to Wright and so him on several shows, one of them being Bill Moyers, and I found Wright to be more honest and forthcoming than Obama. Tho I am white, I found myself agreeing with Wrights perspective but then I have read The People’s History of the US by Howard Zinn and other books on the founding of this country and it seems a lot of people only know that which they were taught in school and that is so very ethnocentricly white history. If Obama could not stand by right when he was, er, well, right, then how was he going to stand by anything controversial? Where were his principals?

The second reason was that Ralph Nader said Obama was not black, but merely a whiteman in a blackman’s skin. Of course everyone in the media screamed racism because they don’t know what real racism is. And what Nader says is absolutely true. All one has to do is watch how Obama behaves politically. Obama himself is a racist only his racism is directed at Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis and probably Iranians.And his bias for Jews is evident when he refuses to send representatives to the UN Conference on Racism because of Isreal.

Isreal was founded on terrorism and continues with its terrorism around the world. What do you call a people who think that they have a right to go anywhere in the world and assasinate anyone they deem a threat, well outside of an American?

Obama said he wants to dialogue. Well, then he should have gone to the meeting, convinced people that his POV was right and he should have listened to see if maybe the other side was right. One does not claim that they want to show change and then say we will only play the game if you let us win.

Virginia777, you are oh so typical of the willfully ignorant that sceam antisemite every time someone criticizes Isreal. Try refuting the comments by Prole with some good intellectual truth rather than hysteria!

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By brewerstroupe, April 21, 2009 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment

The Declaration of the 2001 Durban conference has been described as incendiary and provocative by the msm and politicians yet very few have read it,
Here is a transcript:
http://www.un.org./WCAR/durban.pdf

Here is a transcript of Ahmadinejad’s speech to this year’s conference:
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2009/04/21/speech.pdf

Note that he actually toned it down in his presentation.
“The original text of his speech said, “Following World War II, they resorted to military aggression to make an entire nation homeless on the pretext of Jewish sufferings and the ambiguous and dubious question of Holocaust.”

U.N. spokeswoman Marie Heuze said that U.N. officials had checked back with the interpreters and the Farsi recording of Ahmadinejad’s speech, and determined that the Iranian president had dropped the terms “ambiguous and dubious,” referring instead in Farsi to “the abuse of the question of the Holocaust.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h-NABlEjaGSsDBh_qdpdNmX7V6VwD97MSP9G0

I wonder how paranoid one must be to find these statements threatening?

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By Folktruther, April 21, 2009 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

Virgina, Prole’s equation of Jews and slavery is an exaggeration.  As someone who exaggerates to penetrate the power delusions of the mainstream truth, I can’t seriously object. He has reported the role of Jews in the slave trade that I, for one, didn’t know, even though I am Jewish.  Zionist censorship has been such a blanket over history, and prole’s report must be added to brewerstoupe, Roberts, and others to uncover the dirty truths.

If it is the case that a large proportion of Jewish businessmen were involved in the slave trade, it has enormous relevance to the racism and ethnic cleansing of Israel.  They either did or they didn’t and truth assertions of any kind are not racist or anti-semitic.  Prole deserves enormous credit for raising and researching the issue.

And even more so if he would write in paragraphs like normal people.

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By Ibett, April 21, 2009 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

to truthoverlies,
Jeremiah Wright is not giving a message of intollerance, he is stating fact!  If he was advocating intollerance he would have issued a statement of rebellion.  He is speaking with emphasis on facts, a message we do not hear enough in the country.  A country with the name; UNITED States of America, instead of focusing on truth and fact our country is allowing fear and drama to divide.

IBETT

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By Virginia777, April 21, 2009 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

and prole:

Christians can’t even hold a candle to the vastly greater contributions to Civil Rights in America,

than those made by the Jew’s.

Our country would be LOST without them.

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By Virginia777, April 21, 2009 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

prole:

“Jews and slavery are synonymous”

thats a load of bunk!!

Anti-semite

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By Virginia777, April 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

bilejones:

Bile!!

run on back to FreeRepublic now,

White Supremacist

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By prole, April 21, 2009 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Jews and slavery are synonymous. The Old Testament is replete with references to slavery which was regularly and routinely practiced in antiquity by Jews and others and continues down to the presernt day in one guise or another. In Leviticus 25:44-46, it states: “Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.” Jewish involvement in the slave trade didn’t end in biblical times, of course, it’s been one of their most profitable vocations down through the ages. Lewis Browne, a Jewish rabbi and historian, described how during the Middle Ages, Jews “traveled everywhere from England to India, from Bohemia to Egypt. Their commonest merchandise in those days, beginning with the eighth century, was slaves. On every high road and on every great river and sea, these Jewish traders were to be found with their gangs of shackled prisoners in convoy.” Later on, Jews were quick to ply their trade in the New World as well. Rabbi Marc Lee Raphael, notes “The Jewish-Caribbean nexus provided Jews with the opportunity to claim a disproportionate influence in seventeenth and eighteenth century New World commerce…Slave trading was a major feature of Jewish economic life in Surinam which as a major stopping-off point in the triangular trade. Both North American and Caribbean Jews played a key role in this commerce”. Not only in North America but in South America too the pattern was repeated. As Arnold Wiznitzer, in Jews in Colonial Brazil explained, “The West India Company, which monopolized imports of slaves from Africa, sold slaves at public auctions against cash payments. It happensthat cash was mostly in the hands of Jews. The buyers who appeared at the auctions were almost always Jews.” There were also many Jews that were prominent in the Confederacy during the American Civil War including Edwin Moise, Speaker of the Louisiana House; Georgia firebrand Raphael Moses, Judah P. Benjamin, CSA Sec. of State and Simon Baruch, father of Bernard Baruch. Self-righteous Jews have been busy recently trying to cover up the disproportionate involvement of Jews in the slave trade - just as they whitewash Israel’s apartheid and crimes against humanity - in order to try and maintain the self-perpetuated myth of their own permanent victimhood staus and moral superiority. Tony Martin, professor emeritus at Wellesley College experienced the vitriol of the Jewish thought cops when he included a text in one of his classes with which they disapproved, ‘The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews’ As Martin described it, “In January 1993, I was minding my own business and teaching my Wellesley College survey course on African American History when a funny thing happened. The long arm of Jewish intolerance reached into my classroom…” Prof. Martin went on to write a book of his own about his experience with “Jewish intolerance” called ‘The Jewish Onslaught’. In discussing this book later and the near hysterical reaction to it by Jews and their cronies Martin pointedly responds, “President Walsh [Welleslet College] (and the Jewish community) are to have their way, then this will forever remain a one-way discourse. I therefore ask again, as I asked in The Jewish Onslaught, “What makes Jews so special? By what dispensation in Adam’s will do they enjoy monopolistic privileges over a debate that concerns Blacks as well as Jews? Who has placed them beyond the reach of scholarly enquiry and ethnic identification?”

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By William Smyth, April 21, 2009 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment
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Trithoverlies, your last post began with a lot of statements.  It wasn’t clear to me if you were associated those statements with Rev. Wright?  As an example: “The poeple killed on 911 were little Eichmans”.  I’m pretty sure this didn’t come from Rev. Wright, but then perhaps that wasn’t were you were going. 

Trithoverlies wrote:
“What I am saying is that Dr. Wrights message of intollerance ..”

“...all preach another Gospel a Gospel of Hate, intollerance and racism, but Black Liberation Theology follows the same path and Liberation Theology is a Christless Theology bound to the religion of Communism not Christianity.”

You need to do some more research if you really believe those statements.  They do not reflect the ministry of Rev. Wright.


The following are excerpts from Rev. Wright at NPC:

The prophetic theology of the black church is a theology of liberation; it is a theology of transformation; and it is ultimately a theology of reconciliation.

The Apostle Paul said, “Be ye reconciled one to another, even as God was in Christ reconciling the world to God’s self.”

God does not desire for us, as children of God, to be at war with each other, to see each other as superior or inferior, to hate each other, abuse each other, misuse each other, define each other, or put each other down.

God wants us reconciled, one to another.  And that third principle in the prophetic theology of the black church is also and has always been at the heart of the black church experience in North America.

When Richard Allen and Absalom Jones were dragged out of St. George’s Methodist Episcopal Church in Philadelphia, during the same year, 1787, when the Constitution was framed in Philadelphia, for daring to kneel at the altar next to white worshippers, they founded the Free African Society and they welcomed white members into their congregation to show that reconciliation was the goal, not retaliation.

Absalom Jones became the rector of the St. Thomas Anglican Church in 1781, and St. Thomas welcomed white Anglicans in the spirit of reconciliation.

Richard Allen became the founding pastor of the Bethel African Methodist Episcopal Church, and the motto of the AME Church has always been, “God our father, man our brother, and Christ our redeemer.”  The word “man” included men and women of all races back in 1787 and 1792, in the spirit of reconciliation.
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The prophetic theology of the black church has always seen and still sees all of God’s children as sisters and brothers, equals who need reconciliation, who need to be reconciled as equals in order for us to walk together into the future which God has prepared for us.

Reconciliation does not mean that blacks become whites or whites become blacks and Hispanics become Asian or that Asians become Europeans.

Reconciliation means we embrace our individual rich histories, all of them.  We retain who we are as persons of different cultures, while acknowledging that those of other cultures are not superior or inferior to us.  They are just different from us.

We root out any teaching of superiority, inferiority, hatred, or prejudice.

And we recognize for the first time in modern history in the West that the other who stands before us with a different color of skin, a different texture of hair, different music, different preaching styles, and different dance moves, that other is one of God’s children just as we are, no better, no worse, prone to error and in need of forgiveness, just as we are.

Only then will liberation, transformation, and reconciliation become realities and cease being ever elusive ideals.
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Stephen Mansfield who is a conservative evangelical author who actually visited Trinity talks about how at home evangelicals would feel with the gospel message preached at Trinity.

Listen to how Mansfield talks about Trinity in the video linked from the following page.

http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=9780&SectionName=Politics

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By bilejones, April 21, 2009 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

Let’s not forget about White slaves in America.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

and in Africa

http://www.amazon.com/White-Slaves-African-Masters-Narratives/dp/0226034046

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By mike turner, April 21, 2009 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

CH…erudite as ever. But, as the corporate news twisters have shown….America is held in thrall by a tiny faction of the monied elite, who commands a horde of ignorant right wingers & those eager to sell themselves for a piece of the action.
America is on the Banana Republic course….and the frustration & manipulation of the American MASSES will create the necessary instability to WAR.

the cards have been dealt…the corporate media is now simply the propaganda machine.

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By Virginia777, April 21, 2009 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

wow, the history of American Slavery minimizers on Truthdig?

what is the world coming to?

Time to again call up Frederick Douglass, who knew a thing or two about Trolls.

“The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose.”

and so, slavery minimizer trolls:

you are sounding a whole heck of a lot like German holocaust deniers.

sick!!

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By geronimo, April 21, 2009 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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When will we face up to the truth of our past?  When we take control of today, that’s when.

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By Trithoverlies, April 21, 2009 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

The poeple killed on 911 were little Eichmans G D the United States of America, Aids was started by the white race to destroy all people of color, whites don’t care about those in poverty well if you check more whites are under the poverty line since the late 1960’s did I say he has done nothing good feeding the homeless job skills training and food pantries are great but don’t mix them with teaching racism no matter what race My people marched with Dr. King in the sixties, some even paid the ultimate sacrifice for doing so I am not talking about hatred of any race there are enough haters in every race to go around. What I am saying is that Dr. Wrights message of intollerance is the problem Jesus ate with sinners not saints, He loved the lost not condemned them, He gave us a revolution within the heart that could set any man free of the bondage of hatred racism, drug addiction Alchoholism, forgiveness for the teen mother and father, forgiveness for the mass murderer, and don’t forget His message love your enemy as yourself. Did He speak out against Hipocracy sure and there is plenty of that to go around I have been welcome in Mixed churches and unweclome. I’m Jewish by birth so I know alot about racism and my people have a much longer record of being slaves so please don’t judge me for the words Dr. Wright spoke The Gospel I preach is one of forgiveness when one is repentant, one of tolleration even of practices that are dangerious to self like Drug addiction, Alchoholism, risky sexual practices. the key forgiveness doesn’t mean look the other way it means if they are repentant of their sins forgive them if not still forgive them but don’t allow them a free get out of jail pass. The Ku Klux Klan, and Nazi party the White Patriots Party, and the White Assymbly of God all preach another Gospel a Gospel of Hate, intollerance and racism, but Black Liberation Theology follows the same path and Liberation Theology is a Christless Theology bound to the religion of Communism not Christianity. My Jesus broke the chains of such and any man who wants to be losed from the fetters of sin can be liberated. Paul and Silas in a prison dank, dark and chained were still freer than any one bound by any form of Hatred, or Intollerance, so don’t be blinded by the good things his church is doing and give a pass on what is being preached from the pulpit all to many calling themselve Christians are in this type of bondage they may not recognize the enemy when he is next to them but Jesus knew him Lucifer (Satan) and rebuked him. He pounded home that the Church without true love for all people was the problem with the Pharisees Scribes, and Saducees each in their own way had rejected God’s true message, just as many today worship the Ideology of man over the Christology of Christ Jesus. Racism exist and as long as we in the church will not speak up against it than we are no less guilty than David Dukes, or Rev. Jerimiah Wright. Hate is still hate whether it comes from a European American, or an African American, whether it is taught by a Wahabi Muftee, or a Hindu teacher, or a Shi’ite Ayatolah, A Nazi, or a Socialist.
            Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
              John R. Bloxson Jr.
P.S. We all live in the human condition sinners only Jesus The Christ can make the differance. But it has to be the Jesus of the New Testament not a Jesus of the Course On Miricles, or the Jesus of Islam, and Buhddism. Jesus was 100% man and 100% GOD not just a good teacher not just a misunderstood man not a man that was made a god, and not just God,but the God Man. For I an the Father are ONE, I AM, (not I Am He) that is English to make the sentance compatible with English grammer. In saying I AM He Jesus knocked down 100 Roman Soldiers, 100 Temple Gaurdsmen, and 100 hangers on Saducees, and Pharicees not once but twice he had the power in His words to do that He still has the power to overcome Hatred.

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By ajhil, April 21, 2009 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

Sophrosyne & (especially) Janet – While it’s certainly important to recognize the crimes of others, these historical facts have nothing at all to do with our own guilt. Regardless of whether or not slavery was practiced in Africa, our duty is to examine our own actions and to the extent possible atone for them.  The phrases “Yes, but ... “ and “What about ...?” have no place in moral self-examination.

Self Wise – I agree with you – and with Hedges. Those who have neither been oppressed nor are descended from oppressed people have, in my opinion, no standing to judge these claims. 

Truthoverlies – Jeremiah Wright – former marine and Navy medic – is a better Christian and far better patriot than any of his sanctimonious critics, who bleat and posture on the national stage. It’s regretable that Obama felt obliged to repudiate Wright in order to win the election. I had hoped he would partially redeem himself by reaching out to his former pastor, once he was in office. Sadly he hasn’t done it ... yet.  Meanwhile apologists for American barbarity continue to misrepresent the crimes committed by our government and its agents during Bush’s misbegotten war of aggression; but, as more evidence appears, their pathetic rationalizations are being revealed for what they are, on a par with the vile pronouncements of neo-Nazis, skinheads, and the other domestics extremists who disgrace our national discourse.

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By thebeerdoctor, April 21, 2009 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

Putting aside Reverend Hedges’ indignation for a moment, I think Obama threw Rev. Wright under the bus, not for the “God damn America” tape loop run ad nauseum, but rather his support for Louis Farrakhan, a genuine American nut case, and head of a black gangster organization that is part of the industrial prison complex, known as the Nation of Islam.
In his quest to be seen by the electorate as the safest black man in America, any association with Farrakhan, even by proxy through Rev. Wright, would be political suicide for any ambitions Barack Obama had for higher office.

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By truedigger3, April 21, 2009 at 3:53 am Link to this comment

sophrosyne wrote:
“Slavery was practiced in Africa long before America.  America’s record is shameful but let us not be selective in condemning racism as it is found throughout the world and throughout much of world history.
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Yes, there was slavery in Africa.
Most what you call slavery in Africa were for house
work for tribal chiefs or some extra women to join
the chief wifes!
It didn’t transport people to far away and strange lands and inflected on them unimaginable suffering and degradation.
It was in no way on the scale of the American slavery??
It did not strive to undermine self-confidence and
self-respect and cultivate feelings of worthlessness
and inferiority.
Are you implying that if evil happened in some location, then you cann’t discuss and codemn it if it happened amongst us!!??

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By Kesey Seven, April 20, 2009 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

Couple quick comments:

Janet, to answer your question:  “Why must the US be the only country to wring its hands and bend over backwards to apologise for its participation in the evils of slavery?” 

Our slavery was different. We regarded our slaves as subhuman. Very few, if any, other cultures did it for as a long we did it and as brutally. We behaved as beasts for centuries. Apologies are in order. 

To Janet and to anyone else who hasn’t read it, I would recommend “A People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn.

Many of the historical facts Mr. Hedges mentions in passing are described in detail in “A People’s History of the United States.” Good stuff.

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By Ribald, April 20, 2009 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment

We can finally lay to rest one of the major allegations of Obama opposers for good: Obama is *not* inexperienced. Rather, he is a politician through and through—larger than life, yet so much less than the expectations placed on him.

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By jdjf, April 20, 2009 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment
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Reparations for slavery?  O.K.  Who is going to pay them?  Only white people?  Only white people who’s anscestors had slaves?  How about my half-jewish children?  Should they pay too?  Should Obama pay?  Just curious… please, tell me how I can remove this stifiling guilt I feel for being born, without so much as a by-your-leave in this god forsaken country to fucking white people?

Personally, I believe my anscestors made a terrible mistake coming to this country.  As so many have pointed out, it sucks.  Look at all the horrible things it has done in its past… and continues to do.  Clearly, the worst nation to exist in the entire history of mankind.  I wish I could go back to Germany… er, uh… wait.  No, I want to go back to Russia.  Oh.  Yeah… that’s right.  O.K.  How about France… Ah yes… maybe not there.  Maybe Rawanda?  China?  Japan?  Sudan?  Iran?  Iraq?  Canada? 

I guess I’m fucked…

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By Fadel Abdallah, April 20, 2009 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

As usual, Chris Hedges soars high in the realm of facts, truths and human compassion. This piece is worthy of being read from the podiums of the United Nations conference for the education of the whole world.

One point alluded to in this article is something that I’ve been thinking and wondering about for long time, and now I feel this is the right forum and time to raise it openly.

Why the victims of the Jewish Holocaust have been universally recognized and memorialized in very expensive museums and memorials, and not to mention the untold number of billions that Israel collected from the Holocaust industry. On the other hand, the victims of the Native Americans and black slavery in America have not received the same recognition, let alone a formal apology and expression of remorse from the ancestors of the perpetrators.

I am sure if there was a way to tabulate the number of the victims of both the Native Americans and African Americans, it would certainly exceed many times over the estimated 6 million Jews who were the victims of the so famous Jewish Holocaust.

And a follow up logical question is: Why the blood of the Jews is more valuable than the blood of everyone else?!

I would like the half-white, half-black Obama to contemplate the answer to this question before I loose the little faith I have left in the symbolism of his presidency!!!

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By LGM, April 20, 2009 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

Chris Hedges warned before the election that a vote for Obama was a vote for the status quo. He was right about that, as about so much else. The fact that Obama once listened to the wise sermons of Jeremiah Wright was cause for hope. His rejection of Wright and Trinity UCC under media pressure signaled what was to come. At this point in his presidency, the notion that Obama intended to be a true agent of change looks like a giant hoax. He has tossed a few crumbs in the progressive direction while perpetuating the worst aspects of American militarism and corporatism. His refusal to participate in a world conference on racism or to prosecute torturers and murderers in the employ of the government are morally repulsive and indicative of his basic cowardice.

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By wanked, April 20, 2009 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment
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I heard warning bells ringing when obama dissed Rev. Wright when he spoke last summer. From a white woman’s perspective, I foumd myself agreeing with him on most points. obama’s a sell out, to us and to himself. Is it 2012 yet?

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By debraj, April 20, 2009 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment
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if Israel didn’t exist Hedges et al would have to invent it. Without these privileged white people to beat up on he’d have to address the issues seriously.

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By Nannie, April 20, 2009 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment

Where are the solutions?
What should be done to never let this happen again?

How do you sooth the hatred of radicals who stir the whirls of rage?

education education education…

Not more airports or athletic centers ...

Schools with qualified teachers. Higher Pay should be the incentive for better teachers.

Truth in learning. Produce pupils that can THINK and DO.

Military only for Defense. Why is that never been the rule?

Solutions folks.. Got any??

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By Big B, April 20, 2009 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment

Barry never experienced racism. He was raised in polite white society, going to white schools, interacting with only white people.

Are we all coming to the conclusion that Barry is not the second coming of Fredrick Douglass?

Barry has the same attitude towards racism as any white american has, and that is to bury our heads and pretend it went away in 1863.

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By Virginia777, April 20, 2009 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

sophrosyne: this is not true

“Slavery was practiced in Africa long before America.  America’s record is shameful but let us not be selective in condemning racism as it is found throughout the world and throughout much of world history.”

Give me a break, few if any have matched the United States for sheer evil in our version of slavery on American soil. Separating families? separating children from their parents? having children eat out of pig troughs? putting old people out to die in the cold??

Read “Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave” to discover the under-reported American Holocaust.

And yes, Chris Hedges, Obama cares about this. All African Americans do.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 20, 2009 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

Yes, when I heard this Reverend Wright speak I found myself agreeing with him and was sorry and peaked by Obama’s distancing himself from the passionate reverend so fast. [No defending him at all.] That was a prominant indicator of the real man, not the golden haloed simalcrae he was portraying to us in all of its fuzziness & intelligence. We just see where that intelligence is directed. War, corporate interests and maintaining the gov’t/church connexions.

Yes, even though I am an atheist I would have no problem with a reverend Wright being president. He at least is a humanist and understands history over politics. He is not a sell out.

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By jean gerard, April 20, 2009 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment
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To attend a conference doesn’t mean you support the views of other attenders.  It means you are ready to discuss the subjects raised for discussion in that conference.  Guilt by association should be dead long ago.  It’s sad that present day governments of “enlightened” countries still support it rather than work to destroy it.

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By KDelphi, April 20, 2009 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

I’d rather not send ANY preacher, but, point taken. Wright beats hell out of Rick Warren!

Jason, I think that the KKK killed a few hundred thousand people (will we ever know how many?)—who did Rev Wright kill? I dont agree with hin on everything (I dont agree with much any preacher says!), but, he has a right to say what he wishes. At least he embraced the race issue in terms of class—which is so evident today.

Janet—Hmmm…Is that why we consider Saudi Arabia such a close ally?

If the Administraton got all the concessions they asked for (which were monumental and, sometimes, stupid), there was no excuse not to go. I thought Pres. Obama wanted to “talk to everyone”.

Samson—I would prefer Rev Wright, too. We have to be preached at all the time anyway!

Nannie, that is very sad about your grandson.  I agree thst schools should be free through PhDs—it pays off in the long run. make all state schools, FREE!
And keep them state. Close down charters, etc. Spend the money on public ed. If the preppies want to go to private schools, let them pay for it.

Virginia 777_ it always amazes me that Pres. Obama’s supporters know just what he is thinking, even when his actions would seem to indicate the opposite… how do you know?? Did he say something? Is there an aritcle or a quote? Did he make a big public statement that I missed? Send someone? Something!

Self Wise—You must know that “rage” is not always a choice…rage does not have to equal violence…

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Slavery was practiced in Africa long before America.  America’s record is shameful but let us not be selective in condemning racism as it is found throughout the world and throughout much of world history.  Ask the Tutsis. Ask the Chinese butchered by the Japananese in the 1930’s. Ask the Marquesans who were butchered and enslaved by the invading Hawaiians from Tahiti in 1000 a.d.Thousands of additional examples could be given.

But that said, Obama is bowing to the powerful and very dangerous Israeli lobbies. Hillary did the same.  America does not control its own foreign policy with respect to the Mid East.  It has cost us a horrible amount.

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By Self Wise, April 20, 2009 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

No Obamabots here, what I said has nothing to do with giving Obama unconditional support, or whatever else defines an obamabot. 

Samson your response is limited in scope and did little to address the heart of what I said. 

I have ample reason to feel the rage expressed in this column and have been there and done that.  It solves nothing on its own, and burns bright but very fast and thus has long since been deemed inefficient for the progress humanity needs as a fuel for long term sustained change.

My main gripe was the idea of use of Uncle Tom, that is too far, and solves nothing, I repeat solves nothing.  I am active in my community and have been for a long time my friend, and have seen the anger, rage of the individual or group used against the very positive nature of the aim of grass roots organizations.

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By Virginia777, April 20, 2009 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

Chris Hedges is dead-on to criticize Obama for “only” not attending the United Nation’s 2009 World Conference Against Racism (!!)

but I feel he has not put enough of the Tragedy behind this decision in his piece here.

Black Americans have so little power politically in America today, that Obama has been forced to concede to the overwhelming White power monopoly

of the super-rich.

It is wrong for Hedges to even hint that Obama doesn’t care about this conference,

that is NOT true.

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By felicity, April 20, 2009 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

Self Wise has chosen an apt identity. 

I’m not an apologist for Obama, but his spokespeople have said that solutions to the issues of Israel/Palestine are high on the list of responsibilities his office demands of him and he has every intention of meeting that responsibility. 

There’s a possibility that any involvement in the Israeli Palistinian horror story would be tactically and strategically stupid at this time before the entire issue can be given Obama’s and, hopefully, the world’s undivided attention.

A ‘war’ that has lasted for at least 61 years by now -  and which more than one president has tried to stop is best described as an ever-present pustule on the world body.  Maybe, just maybe, Obama can lance it.

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By Samson, April 20, 2009 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

To quote some songwriters from the 70’s ... “Anger can be power.  Know that you can use it.”  (the Clash).

Opposition movements are fueled by rage.  Its what causes people who would otherwise ignore light and transient abuses to organize for change.  And to thus pay the price that such organizing and work always costs in terms of their families and their lives.

Its funny listening to the Obamabots constantly say that people must organize to make Obama act in ways that aren’t evil.  They do this while criticizing anyone who is trying to organize online in boards like this.  Apparently we are supposed to organize against Obama, but to do so silently.  And presumably ineffectively.

Rage is the starting point of change. That’s what scares Obama and his pro-racist, pro-war crminal, pro-war, pro-Wall St party and backers.

Sometimes, in the face of great evil, like Obama condoning torture and racism, rage is the appropriate response.  And its the beginning point for organizing to oppose and change that evil.  Of course, since anger can indeed be power, that would be ‘real change’.  Which is the one thing that Obama and his backers absolutely do not want.

If a news network has to tell you they are ‘fair and balanced’, then it is likely they are not.  If a politician has to tell you often that he is for ‘change’, then it is likely they are not.  With the politicians who are really for change, they don’t have to tell you about it.  You see it in their actions.

I still like Rev. Wright better than Obama.

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By Self Wise, April 20, 2009 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

In response to lisleaf and others who are a little overzealous on this comment board, rage doesn’t cut it, the successful movements are not led by rage, and therefore must be cast aside lest it cloud our judgement. 

I started to read this article and it started to hit home with the really well put line midway down the first page that reads thus…“To victims of oppression, the past is never over. It is not even past. Trauma, suffering and discrimination do not afford them that luxury.”  I have tried to explain this to many a person removed from direct oppression, to no avail in many cases.

And I also ponder what is the best way forward, knowing that apology, empathy, some recognition of understanding is always necessary when wrong doing has occurred between two parties.  Otherwise the afflicted will have no reason to believe or know that the aggressor will abstain from any such behavior in the future.

With that said I can not resort to calling Obama uncle Thomas or whatever other foolishness.  It seems to me as a casual observer trying to sneak in types between completing my work for my job, that the line is conveniently blurred between what Mr. Obama has inherited and what he himself has created.  This blurred line gets smeared in a whole lot of directions depending on what the aim of attack is for the day.  Such is politics I suppose.  However there have been many an African American in various landmark pioneering positions faced with how far do I push it, and faced with making the hard decisions of where in fact they should draw the line at the end of the day and stand their ground.  It is absolutely foolish to assume because Obama has stayed the course of the United States for this moment that he himself feels that United States should not be held accountable in some sort for the atrocities performed in its inception and subsequent trauma perpetuated ever since.  Every brother who goes to work and has to smile at his superiors holds back his tongue from time to time knowing there is a greater fight to be had, that is perhaps providing for the family, reaching a goal of being the first to graduate college perhaps, etc.  Those goals scale up to exactly what is first priority on Obama’s plate right now which is providing for the family, being the first to reach the plateau that he has, etc.  And just because a brother ain’t drawn the line in the sand yet doesn’t mean he or his successor will not. Those of us who navigate oppression are fully aware of this dance, and dance very well, whether we volunteered or were dragged along the slave ship to get here.

If you want to hold Mr. Obama accountable, organize and give him the political will and capital to do what must be done, otherwise hold your criticism in a constructive manor lest you want to join the likes of Rush and the party of of NO.

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By Folktruther, April 20, 2009 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

Trith, when you stand before the White Throne of Judgement, God is going to throw your racist ass into the Great Lake of Fire.  And may She have mercy on your twisted bigoted soul.

Otherwise, keep up the good work.  Have a nice day.

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By dihey, April 20, 2009 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

Tomack and RdV

The Dutch reluctance to participate has nothing to do with South Africa, slavery, or genocide.

This tolerant country where gay soldiers can serve freely in the armed forces and gays can get married objects to language which restricts the freedom of speech based on religious concerns.

That I applaud.

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By mill, April 20, 2009 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

Doubt that Mr. Obama needs the social scolds to lay it on him about racism, whether from the Mr. Hedges of the world, or the probable attendees at the conference being snubbed by the US and Israel. 

Neither do I for that matter.

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By grumpynyker, April 20, 2009 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
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Thank you Mr. Hedges for your brave column.  Why should Black Americans forget slavery?  We haven’t learned the full spectrum of it yet asnd WE’RE STILL SUFFERING FROM IT IN 2009.  As for Durban II, we cannot allow the potential offending of Israel distract attention from discussions about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, genocide of indigenous peoples in the Caribbean, north, central and south America, etc.  Every other week there is a holocaust-theme movie, or documentary on television.  There are Holocaust museums strewn all over the USA.  Are they inclusive of all victims from the Roma to Jehovah Witnesses to Afro-Germans?

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By godistwaddle, April 20, 2009 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

I’ve maintained all along that Wright didn’t say anything false, and, if there were a god, that god would probably damn most of what america has done to the poor and dispossessed since its foundation in 1789.

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By Fempatriot, April 20, 2009 at 8:55 am Link to this comment
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The reverend Mr. Jeremiah Wright has a most impressive biography.  And yes, the Media always does the stupid thing of playing one segment on an unending loop that imprints it into the minds of the American television watchers who then believe it is gospel.  President Obama could do with some advice from the reverend.  I’m sure he misses the friendship of this good man.

Having said that, I am ashamed of my government for being so racist against Arabs, against people who were caught up in the 9/11 hysteria that we have tortured countless innocent people to find one guilty one (if they ever have) and that there are so many who still make excuses for the huge mistakes of the past 9 years.

I do think that everyone should let the subject of “slavery” _die_. A brutal war between the States was fought; thousands of men and boys lost their lives fighting to free the slaves; their blood alone should be all the atonement needed.  And the South, for all the hoopla about southern slave owners, suffered terrible hardships during and after the Civil War. The majority of southerners may have fought against the North, but they were not slave owners. After the war was over, slaves did have a choice of staying in the USA or emigrating to Liberia, a country governed by blacks.  The North did little to help freed slaves after the Civil War except to use them to punish southerners, thus causing an extreme backlash which made their lot as bad as slavery.

So long as the US government doesn’t clean up its act and doesn’t press for Israel to treat Palestinians humanely (a Palestinian protester was killed over the weekend by an IDF soldier shooting another tear gas cannister—right into the young man’s chest.)  This is the same act that was done to American peace activist Tristan Anderson a few weeks ago.  So long as Israel describes itself as a Jewish state, it will be classed with all racist regimes the world over.

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By Nannie, April 20, 2009 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

Public Education must be allowed to teach History as it happened not as it has been revised. The truth of history has been subverted by Hollywood also and Hollywood has much blame for revising history.

Public Edu. should be available at all levels , college & Phd programs included, as high as a student wants to go. Free to learn . Not made into serfs to pay for lesrning.

What a grand beginning that would be to make amends to the wrongs commited in the past.

Wish I knew a better way to put this idea on paper,for you to think about.

My grandson is returning to Iraq. He should be in school. He can’t afford it. We can’t afford it.

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By Janet, April 20, 2009 at 8:30 am Link to this comment
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The US is not the only country to ever engage in slavery.  Heck, Saudi Arabia only abolished it in the 1960s, and it continues to exist in that country under the radar. 

Why must the US be the only country to wring its hands and bend over backwards to apologise for its participation in the evils of slavery? 

What about the African nations themselves that sold their brethren into slavery and continued to engage in this “business” into the twentieth century?

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By C Quil, April 20, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

By lester333, April 20 at 8:34 am #

God would not vote for Obama.
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You’re right.

I found Reverend Wright amazing to listen to. He said what no one else had the courage to. Wright doesn’t need Obama. Obama needs Rev. Wright - a lot.

Canada isn’t going to the Racism conference either. The neocon Prime Minister Harper and his ignorant hacks are the newest lapdogs. Only 37% of the population voted for him and his numbers are shrinking, but Canada is still stuck with his destructive policies.

In essays written just before and during the second world war, Orwell wrote about England, not knowing whether it would end up Fascist or not, and feeling helpless.

That’s how I feel now.

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By Spiritgirl, April 20, 2009 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

Thank you for your article, the truth is no one really wants to discuss the truth!  The oppressors (Mr. President notwithstanding) never ever want to “discuss” what they did to the oppressed!  It is for the oppressed to demand that this conversation be initiated!

Even now Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people, yet nothing is said or written about this in the media!

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By RdV, April 20, 2009 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

The Dutch may refrain…of course, South Africa.
Jason(!)‘s indignant outrage over the racism of the victims is a bit like Blacks hating the slavemaster or Jews hating Nazis and then calling them the racists.
  But not old Tom, Uncle Obama he sho do dance for the Mastah!

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By Trithoverlies, April 20, 2009 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

Your hatred of America come through loud and clear and the victrolics is the continued lie of of all leftist. Rev. Wright preaches Hate just as the Klu Klux Klan, the American Nazi Party, the Wahabist, Talhaban, and Shi’ite under these three Cleric’s and their hand picked President Ayatollah Khamenei, Mesbah-Yazdi, Mohsen Gharavain, and Ahmadinejad who all preach that the Muhdi can only come and start the World Wide Caliphate in a time of great terror, and war. We don’t need any more hate mongers spreading their ilk we have enough with the leftis which includes the American Nationalist Socialist Party also known as the NAZI’s all are to the left of demacracy. Democracy which you seem to think is the root cause of the evil in this world rather than the Hope. War crimes I have read the memo’s they release nothing New and the watterboarding was done only to three high profile terrorist early after their capture and was discontinued Isolation and sleep deprivation which was done to again thirty high profile terrorist is really not in the same league as severe beatings, and Beheadings as practiced by or enemies, or the stringing up a person by their thumbs so that they can only touch the floor with their toes and puts most of the wieght on the thumbs this is torture. I know men who went through this form of torture in the 1960’s while guest of the North Veitanamese so this article is full of anti American Anti Israeli garbage and short on the whole truth.
            Trithoverlies/Truthoverlies.
              John R. Bloxson Jr.

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By thebeerdoctor, April 20, 2009 at 7:13 am Link to this comment

Israel and the US huh? Why do I find that, in the word of Mark Twain “dubersome” ?
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=hsnews-000003098436

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By lizleaf, April 20, 2009 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

Thank you for this brave column.  I am reading Bros. K for the first time and your writing reminds me of Dost.‘s. You put into coherent phrases the rage I too feel.

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By tomack, April 20, 2009 at 6:51 am Link to this comment

dihey, you’re right, but also add the Brits, French, Germans, Spanish, etc, etc, ad nauseum, because when you view world history everyone had their little play time with slavery and genocide. It’s a HUMAN thing. That said, I believe the more we elevate it, publicise it, beat it into the heads of our collective cultures, and our youth, the better chance we have of bettering our future.

We are wrong not to attend and not to publicly come clean. Somewhere in the world SOMEONE should build a Holocaust Museum in honor of the Native Americans—both North and South. Then again, the space needed to build such a museum and cost to build it would be astronomical. 

Lester333, if there is a god, he/she doesn’t vote. I would assume he/she is an anarchist.

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By Jason!!, April 20, 2009 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

Why are the words of Hamas, Iran and Syrian rogue leaders not considered RACIST?

hmmm. Is it really racist to boycott a racist meeting?

There a many Jews in this country and I am glad that they are standing up to this blatant racism against them, Israel and the US.

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By lester333, April 20, 2009 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

Thank goodness for the writings of Mr Hedges.  I despair terribly until I read his words and then get a little glimer of hope again.

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By lester333, April 20, 2009 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

God would not vote for Obama.

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By dihey, April 20, 2009 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

In fairness it must be known that the Dutch may also refrain from attending.

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By joe, April 20, 2009 at 4:40 am Link to this comment
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now is the time for the world to stand up to these war criminals from ALL countries!!!!!!

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