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Posted on Dec 29, 2008
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The body of a Palestinian security force officer lies in the rubble after an Israeli missile strike on a building in Gaza City on Sunday.

By Chris Hedges

(Page 2)

Before the air assaults, Gaza spent 12 hours a day without power, which can be a death sentence to the severely ill in hospitals. Most of Gaza is now without power. There are few drugs and little medicine, including no cancer or cystic fibrosis medication. Hospitals have generators but often lack fuel. Medical equipment, including one of Gaza’s three CT scanners, has been destroyed by power surges and fluctuations. Medical staff cannot control the temperature of incubators for newborns. And Israel has revoked most exit visas, meaning some of those who need specialized care, including cancer patients and those in need of kidney dialysis, have died. Of the 230 Gazans estimated to have died last year because they were denied proper medical care, several spent their final hours at Israeli crossing points where they were refused entry into Israel. The statistics gathered on children—half of Gaza’s population is under the age of 17—are increasingly grim. About 45 percent of children in Gaza have iron deficiency from a lack of fruit and vegetables, and 18 percent have stunted growth.

“It is macabre,” Falk said of the blockade. “I don’t know of anything that exactly fits this situation. People have been referring to the Warsaw ghetto as the nearest analog in modern times.”

“There is no structure of an occupation that endured for decades and involved this kind of oppressive circumstances,” the rapporteur added. “The magnitude, the deliberateness, the violations of international humanitarian law, the impact on the health, lives and survival and the overall conditions warrant the characterization of a crime against humanity. This occupation is the direct intention by the Israeli military and civilian authorities. They are responsible and should be held accountable.”

The point of the Israeli attack, ostensibly, is to break Hamas, the radical Islamic group that was elected to power in 2007. But Hamas has repeatedly proposed long-term truces with Israel and offered to negotiate a permanent truce. During the last cease-fire, established through Egyptian intermediaries in July, Hamas upheld the truce although Israel refused to ease the blockade. It was Israel that, on Nov. 4, initiated an armed attack that violated the truce and killed six Palestinians. It was only then that Hamas resumed firing rockets at Israel.

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“This is a crime of survival,” Falk said of the rocket attacks by Palestinians. “Israel has put the Gazans in a set of circumstances where they either have to accept whatever is imposed on them or resist in any way available to them. That is a horrible dilemma to impose upon a people. This does not alleviate the Palestinians, and Gazans in particular, for accountability for doing these acts involving rocket fire, but it also imposes some responsibility on Israel for creating these circumstances.”

Israel seeks to break the will of the Palestinians to resist. The Israeli government has demonstrated little interest in diplomacy or a peaceful solution. The rapid expansion of Jewish settlements on the West Bank is an effort to thwart the possibility of a two-state solution by gobbling up vast tracts of Palestinian real estate. Israel also appears to want to thrust the impoverished Gaza Strip onto Egypt. Dozens of tunnels had been the principal means for food and goods, connecting Gaza to Egypt. Israel had permitted the tunnels to operate, most likely as part of an effort to further cut Gaza off from Israel. This ended, however, on Sunday when Israeli fighter jets bombed over 40 tunnels along Gaza’s border with Egypt. The Israeli military said that the tunnels, on the Gaza side of the border, were used for smuggling weapons, explosives and fugitives. Egypt has sealed its border and refused to let distraught Palestinians enter its territory.

“Israel, all along, has not been prepared to enter into diplomatic process that gives the Palestinians a viable state,” Falk said. “They [the Israelis] feel time is on their side. They feel they can create enough facts on the ground so people will come to the conclusion a viable state cannot emerge.”

The use of terror and hunger to break a hostile population is one of the oldest forms of warfare. I watched the Bosnian Serbs employ the same tactic in Sarajevo. Those who orchestrate such sieges do not grasp the terrible rage born of long humiliation, indiscriminate violence and abuse. A father or a mother whose child dies because of a lack of vaccines or proper medical care does not forget. A boy whose ill grandmother dies while detained at an Israel checkpoint does not forget. A family that loses a child in an airstrike does not forget. All who endure humiliation, abuse and the murder of family members do not forget. This rage becomes a virus within those who, eventually, stumble out into the daylight. Is it any wonder that 71 percent of children interviewed at a school in Gaza recently said they wanted to be a “martyr”?

The Israelis in Gaza, like the American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, are foolishly breeding the next generation of militants and Islamic radicals. Jihadists, enraged by the injustices done by Israel and the United States, seek to carry out reciprocal acts of savagery, even at the cost of their own lives. The violence unleashed on Palestinian children will, one day, be the violence unleashed on Israeli children. This is the tragedy of Gaza. This is the tragedy of Israel. 


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By diamond, November 17, 2009 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

So Ben, what would help? No amount of sweet reason has had any effect on Israel at all. They just want to go on having endless peace talks and never making peace. And you know why? Because they don’t want peace - not yet. They have a lot more land to take yet and peace will set borders, borders they will never honour because it’s not on their agenda. And all this hysterical garbage about crucifying Jews. Thus isn’t about hating Jews it’s about loving humanity. If I hate Jews why don’t I hate Goldstone? Why don’t I hate Woody Allen or Gertrude Stein or Steven Spielberg or Israeli activists like Jeff Halper? Why are there any number of Jews I not only don’t hate but positively admire? The more the world has turned it’s back and let Israel ‘defend itself’ the more violent and uncontrollable Israel has become.Their fear of the Palestinians is out of all proportion to any threat they could could be to Israel or Israelis but it is the fear of the guilty. They don’t ever want the Palestinians to be able to do to them what they’ve done to the Palestinians for sixty years. Any aggressive act by Palestinians is portrayed as a threat to the peace of the world: any aggressive act by Israel is portrayed as self- defence, even when it’s an invasion followed by a massacre. Not right, Ben. Not moral and in the end not really very smart. Goldstone is only doing his job. I wish I could say the same about that devious fool Netanyahu.

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By Ben, January 6, 2009 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment
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Rene Girard has observed “The unique character of modern times is revealed in the fact that, in the competition for public opinion, the position of the victim is now the most desirable. It is no longer the ancient posture of a suppliant struggling to arouse pity, but a claim for legal and even extra-legal rights. This unique situation is a product of biblical influence.” Both Israeli and Palestinian advocates are guilty of claiming immunity from criticism through the sacral status of victimhood. Yet I am struck in particular by just how Christological this article is: “We have become monsters, militarized bullies, heartless and savage. We are a party to human slaughter, a flagrant war crime, and do nothing.” Why don’t we build a giant cross in the Middle East and find a Jew to be a scapegoat for all our sins? Or does Israel not fulfill the same function for the West? The hysterical tone of this article, which is just as fundamentalist in its secular self-righteous as the religious zealots are, does not help any side in this conflict.

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By KDelphi, January 5, 2009 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

Everytime I pass this pic, and see the wedding band, I wonder…it is too horrible to imagine…does his famioy see the pic every day? Ever? I dont know…

if anyone figures out what the end game in this is , besides worldwide rage, please let me know. And dont parrot Bush…

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By Folktruther, January 5, 2009 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

I don’t understand, Cann4ing, why Israel invaded Gaza. This is an election war, as Uri Averny called it, and the Israelis could kill as many people as they wanted by bombing and shelling.  What can they gain by invading?

I’ve asked reporters in the Middle East what the point of it was, and they don’t know either.  There’s no way they can destroy Hamas, which has the strong support of the Gazan population and increasing support of the West Bank.  Abbas is an outright Israeli pupput whose PLO forces are funded by the US.

Is the idea to have the PLO take over Gaza?  Beats the hell out of me.

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By cann4ing, January 5, 2009 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

From http://www.pdamerica.org

Why Israel Went to War in Gaza
By Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
January 5, 2009

“After the debacle of its 2006 invasion of Lebanon—not only a military disaster for Israel, but also a political and diplomatic one—the government in Jerusalem spent months laying the groundwork at home and abroad for the assault on Gaza with quiet but energetic lobbying of foreign administrations and diplomats, particularly in Europe and parts of the Arab world.

”A new information directorate was established to influence the media, with some success. And when the attack began just over a week ago, a tide of diplomats, lobby groups, bloggers and other supporters of Israel were unleashed to hammer home a handful of carefully crafted core messages intended to ensure that Israel was seen as the victim, even as its bombardment killed more than 430 Palestinians over the past week, at least a third of them civilians or policemen.
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“Israel portrayed Hamas as part of an axis of Islamist fundamentalist evil with Iran and Hezbollah. Its actions, the Israelis said, are nothing to do with continued occupation of the West Bank, the blockade of Gaza or the Israeli military’s continued killing of large numbers of Palestinians since the pullout. “Israel is part of the free world and fights extremism and terrorism.
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“Just a few months ago Livni was talking of wiping out Hamas, but that would be unpalatable to much of the outside world as a justification for the assault. So now the talk is of pressing Gaza’s government to agree to a new ceasefire….

“In the first hours of the attack, Israel repeated the same messages to the wider world. Livni and the Labour defence minister, Ehud Barak, were widely quoted on international TV. The government’s national information directorate sought to focus foreign media attention on the 8,500 rockets fired from Gaza into Israel over the past eight years and the 20 civilians they have killed, rather than the punishing blockade of Gaza and the 1,700 Palestinians killed in Israeli military attacks since Jewish settlers were pulled out of Gaza three years ago.
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“Livni has suggested that Israel’s assault is good for the Palestinians by helping to free them from the grip of Hamas. “She’s basically trying to convince me that they’re doing this for my own good,” said Diana Buttu, the Palestinian Liberation Organization’s legal counsel…
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““They were assaulting Gaza militarily, by sea and by air, all through the ceasefire,” said Buttu. Neither did the killing of Palestinians stop. In the nearly three years since Hamas came to power, and before the latest assault on Gaza, Israel forces had killed about 1,300 people in Gaza and the West Bank. While a significant number of them were Hamas activists—and while hundreds of Palestinians have been killed by other Palestinians in fighting between Hamas and Fatah—there has been a disturbing number of civilian deaths.

”The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights says that one in four of the victims is aged under 18. Between June 2007 and June 2008, Israeli attacks killed 68 Palestinian children and young people in Gaza. Another dozen were killed in the West Bank.

”In February, an Israeli missile killed four boys, aged eight to 14, playing football in the street in Jabalia. In April, Meyasar Abu-Me’tiq and her four children, aged one to five years old, were killed when an Israeli missile hit their house as they were having breakfast. Even during the ceasefire, Israel killed 22 people in Gaza, including two children and a woman.”

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By KDelphi, January 5, 2009 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

I agree with gilly—I have “talked to them”, also (at least “zionists”) . Not much fun, is it?

Out the door, but, does anyone else here think that it is “just amazing” that oil prices are “up” “due to the “conflict”? I would like a list of names of people who bought up oil stock at cheap prices, up to as month ago…“full public disclosure”,,,

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., January 5, 2009 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

RE: gilly, January 5 at 4:01 am

I have often wondered if anti-semitism is against the Jews or against what Jews do in the name of Judaism. If Israel is the Nation for Jews, then maybe we should be against the Jews. Yet, with so many Jews speaking out against the slaughter in Palestine and the stealing of Palestine from the Palestinians, 1948, I know it is not against Jews.

I also know that the fight against Nazi Germany was not against the German people or against the Roman Catholic Germans of Bavaria, or the Lutherans of the rest of Germany, or even against the Germans who have different faiths or even no faith in mankind at all, let alone faith in God. I know that America is not monolithic in democratic principles and practices by our first 43 Presidents or the congresses that were supposed to control them. I can be against George W. Bush, but not against America. I am against much of what America has done and continues to do on the word scene, but I do not ask God to damn America. I ask that Truth lead America.

Yes, I know that Arabs are Semitic. So are many of the people of that region of the world. Semitic people derive the name from a son of the Biblical character, Noah. Shem fathered the Semitic people, the Shemites. Caananites from which the Palestinians rose, among other descendants of Noah, are descended from Ham, Shem’s brother. Though Palestinians are now called Arabs because they speak Arabic, another Semitic language, they are still of that part of the wold that gave rise to all civilized people on Earth. The National Geographic human DNA project shows the track of human migration better than does the Old Testament or the Kinesset of Israel, or AIPAC or ZOA.

Hell, the slaughter of innocents Nagasaki, Heroshima, was not against the Japanese people, or a feather in the cap of American Capitalism that manufactured a Devil Bomb. And the Trail of Tears was not against the Cherokee people. All were violations of human rights as we know them. The Holocaust was a violation of human rights of the worst kind because it was in our time. The acts of Count Dracula were long before our time, so do not count for today’s issues. The Nakba was also in out time, but is not even identified by my spell checker as Holocaust passes unchallenged. Human rights may not be a law of nature, but certainly should be a law for human nature. A Komodo dragon could eat a human being with impunity in nature raw, or a viper kill as many humans as it can manage to inject with venom. Malaria and plague can kill as many humans as it can manage without being condemned by God or Truth. But Israel killing 500 innocent individual Palestinian humans to revenge 5 innocent Israeli humans is too much to include in human rights. How many Japanese were killed in Nagasaki? Does it matter? We won! But, we did not win the fight for human rights.

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By MeHere, January 5, 2009 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

Sodium: Thanks for supporting my comments. Most of the time, I feel as if I’m talking to myself.  You must have acquired some interesting impressions after living in that part of the world for many years (if I understood that right.)

Unfortunately, we are only expressing thoughts here. It would be great if we could offer solutions about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.  I certainly don’t have one, other than to say that the beginning of a solution is to look at the causes without necessarily indulging in hateful blame. I believe there are people who have good ideas which could lead to a solution but nobody listens to them.

It is important not to minimize the grief and anger of those Israelis directly affected by the loss of loved ones. I even felt sorry for the settlers who, after having bought the government “package”, were pushed out of their homes—although their compensation for that eviction was something Palestinians could only dream of when they are pushed out of theirs.

My point is that we must allow feelings of grief, anger, even revenge to those who directly grieve over loss due to violence.  It’s impossible to repress emotions. But a society’s duty is not to let those feelings become mob issues and lose sight of what’s the best way to proceed.

By the way, “congratulations” to NYC’s Mayor Bloomberg who shuttled to Israel to bring a message of support to Israelis _in the name_ of New Yorkers—without any mention of Palestinian suffering or the concerns of his constituents of Palestinian origin.

As to the Obama government in relation to this conflict:  Those who voted for him because he would be the first black president, the lesser of two evils, etc. must be reminded that none of those things have anything to do with sound policy or real change.  Besides, you need way more than a president for things to happen—to begin with, a sensible legislative body and an enlightened, progressive citizenship. If Obama can do something truly meaningful, I will believe that he can indeed walk on water!

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By gilly, January 5, 2009 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

Excellent post Robert.
It seems to me having listened to jewish people in Europe that there is no hope of peace unless the Zionists give back the land they stole. This will require an enormous shift in US foreign policy (sadly unlikely even with Obama as President) or another way forward would be for Jewish people across the world to start putting pressure on these warmongers (who are not representative of world Jewry) to respect the Palestinians, negotiate with them, and accept that they too need a national identity, land and the right to exist.
I am very afraid that now the world has access to the internet and news broadcasts that are not aligned to certain political factions there will be an increase in anti-jewish sentiment.
I urge all Jews to think about this and DO something.

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By Sodium, January 4, 2009 at 1:17 am Link to this comment
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Re:Mehere, January 3 at 4:55 pm.

Mehere,

GREAT POST…SUPERB,INDEED.

You seem and sound to have a profound understanding of the conflict and its genuine cause/causes.Please post more for the common good.Thank you.

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By MeHere, January 3, 2009 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther, Tony Wicher—interesting comments. I’m acquainted with some of the things you mention.

I believe it all boils down to the fact that, unfortunately, the creation of Israel was a tragic and colossal mistake. Israel was _given_ legitimacy and recognition but its zionist creation was never legitimate.  The infusion of money, weaponry, and political support from the US have been major factors in creating an euphoric nationalism that has gone out of control. It hasn’t accomplished anything of real and permanent value for the well-being of Jewish people anywhere, least of all in Israel.

We can argue about this or that military confrontation, and about the nature and actions of the Palestinian extremist groups, and many other aspects of the conflict.  The point is that it all stems from a big mistake that has sadly perpetuated itself in the minds of many Jewish people and others.  No US government has done anything meaningful towards ending the conflict. Things have become more complex over time.  Both Israelis and Palestinians deserve to live in peace but I don’t foresee a rational resolution to the conflict in the near future.  Unless one begins to explore the nature of a mistake, there is no peaceful resolution possible.

Hitler led Germany into nationalistic euphoria about the creation of a Germany based on military power and Arian purity.  How good was that for the German people?

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By cann4ing, January 3, 2009 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

By An Israeli, January 3 at 6:25 am #

Israel is a legally created, internationally recognized state.
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That statement is accurate only if you limit what we recognize as Israel to the confines of its pre-1967 borders.  The 41+ year brutal occupation of the West Bank, the erection of permanent settlements and an apartheid wall on occupied territory, and the malicious blockade of Gaza and collective punishment are decidedly illegal—a basic fact that cannot be overcome by your reference to Hamas as “scumbags”—a term that Palestinians would have an equal right to apply to Zionists.

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By An Israeli, January 3, 2009 at 7:25 am Link to this comment
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Look folks.

You can blame Israel or arabs as much as you want, and you can say that palestinians are guilty, or jews are guilty, and it doesn’t change a thing.

Both people need to live in peace NOW. Not fifty years, and not two thousand years ago. Israel is now a solid country and you can’t just come and dismantle it, but this also means that Israel is subject to international pressure, while Hamas is not.

THE HORRIBLE TRUTH ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING IS THAT THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE IS REPRESENTED BY SCUMBAGS LIKE HAMAS WHO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PROLONG, AND NOT TO END THE CONFLICT.

Israel is a legally created, internationally recognized state. Palestinians are human beings that deserve compassion and treatment. Both are guilty of treating each others like meat. As long as you keep pinning the blame on one side and vindicating the other, we are stuck in this.

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By Larry Snider, January 3, 2009 at 5:41 am Link to this comment
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Dear Chris,

You have done an impressive job of characterizing the despicable state to which life in Gaza has sunk including using statistics from the recent Physicians for Human Rights visit to Gaza. It is desperate and horrible and breeds every vision of vengengence and hatred imaginable and that was before the bombing started. However, it is necessary as well to focus on what daily life has been like for the residents of S’derot over the past half dozen years. Almost daily rocket fire and fifteen second Code Red siren alerts before an incoming Qassam rocket lands in your front yard, happens to hit a car, your house or a school, day and night for weeks, months years. This virus is spreading across the Negev with longer range Grad missiles that already hit Ashkelon, (population about 108,000), before the current decision by Hamas to not renew the truce. Now the missiles have hit Ashdod, (population about 200,000) and even Beersheva some 27 miles from Gaza. Now nearly a million Israelis are in range of the missiles which are imported through the tunnels just south of Rafah. The sponsors of Hamas are not particularly interested in renewing the truce either. This part of the story is no less important than the one you told. There are other critical parts as well… Both sides with serious, unprecedented and unlikely international support need to find a way beyond the road to hell.

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By Folktruther, January 3, 2009 at 4:48 am Link to this comment

What has happed historically, Tony Wicker, is that the traditional socialism of Jewish intellectuals of your childhood was largely converted to Zionist nationalism by the founding of Israel.  The traditional anti-semitism of the right help brake the emerging anti-Zionism of the left.

This and other historical factors has led to the astonishing fact of the Israeli tail wagging the American dog.  American Zionism also has had a pernicious effect on Israel as well, pulling opinion to the right.  Because of the unification of Zionist money, media and poltical management, the power effect is grossly out of proportion to the size of the Jewish population.

A similar effect occurred with Chinese immigrants in Indonesia and the Phillipines.

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By Tony Wicher, January 2, 2009 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment

By Folktruther, January 2 at 12:24 am #

Tony Wicker—You are quite right to draw a distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism.  However you say that Jews are not national chauvenistic and are the most enlightened and internationalist in the world.  You obviously have not met my Jewish relatives.
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Folkie:

It’s interesting. I grew up down in Mexico with the Hollywood Ten and other families who went into exile in Mexico during the McCarthy anti-Communist persecution. I think they were almost all Jewish, but I never even noticed. They were a bunch of international socialists who had no use for any kind of nationalism, including Jewish nationalism. This is how I was raised. I never even heard about Zionism until somewhere in the 1970’s. It is as contrary to the values of my family and friends as it is possible to get. It is indeed a pernicious doctrine, a 19th century anachronism - reactionary, racist, colonialist, chauvinist, militarist and totally corrupt. It will be the death of the Jewish people if they do not come to their senses and repudiate it.

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By cann4ing, January 2, 2009 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Robert for the Counterpunch link.  Ms. Lowenstein’s piece is perhaps one of the most powerful statements ever presented on the psychology of state terror unleashed by the Israelis against a near helpless people.  No doubt the Zionists will now smear Ms. Lowenstein by describing her as a self-hating Jew.

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By fatimatalk, January 2, 2009 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

We the people of this land
As ancient as the moon
As proud as the sun
We
The nation in starvation
Shall never kneel
You offer us fear, hatred and debris
And we snatch life
From the claws of death
We are the people
The legend
The letters of this legacy
Kill, destroy, and spread your poison
Ask the mountains of Nablus
The walls of Acre
The corners of Gaza
There
Warriors from across the seas..
Knelt
We will eat the thorns of our land
And drink the dew of our flowers
But shall not kneel
The sun of justice has finally emerged
From the sea of your eternal silence
A sun that will never set
A sun that will paint the masterpiece of freedom
With its golden rays
On the sapphire canvas of our skies
The land curses its occupiers
And will ignite under their feet
Listen ! world of deception
Remove your masks
Remove your cryptic smiles
We say it now
And will say for generations to come
We
The nation in starvation
Shall never kneel
Shall never loose hope
Shall never die

Gaza Stands Proud!

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By Sodium, January 2, 2009 at 10:01 am Link to this comment
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Subject:From Hitler’s to the Neo-Zionists’Genocides..

Before blaming the fucking neo-Zionists what they are doing to the great and enduring people of Gaza,every self-respecting and decent American must demand from Cheney/Bush and the cowardly members of Congress to stop all military and economic aids to the neo-Zionist government of Israel and demand that the Neo-Zionist Israeli thugs must stop the genocide they are committing against the people of Gaza.The same must be demanded from President-Elect Obama.He should not be allowed to hide behind,“there is one President at a time.”

Without Cheney/Bush/Congress aids and blessing,the warmongering basterds in Telaviv,Israel,would not
have dared doing such despicable crimes against humanity in Gaza.

All the claims that Hamas started this fight are bullshit and typical shameless Zionist lies.My foreign resources tell completely the opposite what the Zionist’s propaganda machines in the U.S.falsely
claim.

The Israeli neo-Zionists have overplayed their cards,with the blessing of our government high officials and the AIPAC(Israeli Lobby)controlled U.S
Congress.Therefore,they all must be held accountable
for their evil deeds,regardless how long it takes for
justice to triumph against all evil doers.There is NO status of limitation for war criminals and crimes against humanity.

If justice is not allowed to take its course,then one must learn from history and expect a twenty first
century’s Nebuchadnezzar will rise from the great masses of the Arab and Muslim world to do vegeance with profound determination to undo the crimes committed against the Palestinians.I say this because I lived in the Middle East,working for an American corporation,for more than 20 years,through
which I had learned that vengeance was/is an integral part of the Arab culture,regardless how long it would take to achieve it.SO IS FORGIVENESS, IF JUSTICE TAKES ITS COURSE AND PRVAILED.I do hope that the neo-Zionist thugs understand this very very
clearly.If not,then they should expect the worst kind of vengeance from a twenty first century’s Nebuchadnezzar,arizing from the masses of the Arabs and Muslims world to finish the Zionist identity in
Palestine once and for all,so that the people of the Middle East and the rest of the world can live in peace,for a change.When that happens(and it will happen as the Sweep of History takes its course),the Arabs and their Nebuchadnezzar owe apology to no one.I repeat,they owe apology to no one.And most importantly,Arabs and Jews will become friends again,as they were in time past in Al-Andalus(Spain),in Iraq,in Syria,in Egypt,in Morocco and in Palestine,before the appearance of the destructive ideology called Zionism in 1898.Please do not tell me that the Jews were considered as second class citizens in the Arab countries.According to the vast majority of objective historians,the Arab Jews were
treated like the Arab Christians in those countries,
very fairly well;much much better than any other countries in the world,with the exception of the U.S.The European Christians’discriminations and atrocities against the Jews are well recordered.So are the pogroms committed against the Jews in Russia and some Eastern European countries.The Nazi’s Holocaust against the Jews was the apex of the crimes committed by the Christians against the Jews.

Befre Zionism arrived at the shores of Palestine from Russia and Eastern Europe initially,Arabs and Jews just got along just fine.Ask the old timer Jews if you know one still alive and he/she will tell you the same as I have just mentioned.

I am certain that Arabs and Jews can live peacefully again when the majority of Israelis demand that their government de-Zionizes itself and becomes more Jewish and adhere to the noble teachings of the Torah.If not,there will never be peace in the Middle East until Justice for the Palestinian prevails.

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By Folktruther, January 2, 2009 at 1:24 am Link to this comment

Tony Wicker—You are quite right to draw a distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism.  However you say that Jews are not national chauvenistic and are the most enlightened and internationalist in the world.  You obviously have not met my Jewish relatives.

American Jews, like American-Irish, American-Italians, etc live in an extremely racist and ideologically backward country.  They have been disunited historically, like Gemany and Italy were, and like Germany and Italy, their power structures are historically prone to fascism, the power of unity above all else.

In addition, historically jews have gone into the money and truth industries which, under capitalism,  gave their leaders enormous power.  Earthpeople, for biological-cultural reasons, tend to identify with power and, in religous, political and scientific ideologies, against the people ruled by power.  Consequently, most of the Jewish population tends to partially identify with Israeli power.

But in addition, as you point out, there is an ethical view against oppression, and the Jewish population is caught in a the cross pressure of ziofascist power and ethical concerns.  They are confused, like the American population generally, and consequently, mindless and braindead to a large extent.  Like my relatives.  And like some TD truthers, I mentiion no names.

So they have to be systmatically unconfused by progressive truthers in the way people have always solved difficult emotional problems, by yelling and screaming, jumping up and down, and holding one’s breath until one turns blue.  But, as you suggest, in an enlightened and international way.  Chomsky is not my favorite truther but his approach is a start, a bi-national state.  Since Obama is the captive of Zionist money, media and management, he will not lead such an approach.

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By Robert, January 1, 2009 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment

January 1 , 2009

Israel Has No Intention of Granting a Palestinian State

If Hamas Did Not Exist

By JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN

“Let us get one thing perfectly straight. If the wholesale mutilation and degradation of the Gaza Strip is going to continue; if Israel’s will is at one with that of the United States; if the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and all the international legal agencies and organizations spread across the globe are going to continue to sit by like hollow mannequins doing nothing but making repeated “calls” for a “ceasefire” on “both sides”; if the cowardly, obsequious and supine Arab States are going to stand by watching their brethren get slaughtered by the hour while the world’s bullying Superpower eyes them threateningly from Washington lest they say something a little to their disliking; then let us at least tell the truth why this hell on earth is taking place.

The state terror unleashed from the skies and on the ground against the Gaza Strip as we speak has nothing to do with Hamas. It has nothing to do with “Terror”. It has nothing to do with the long-term “security” of the Jewish State or with Hizbullah or Syria or Iran except insofar as it is aggravating the conditions that have led up to this crisis today. It has nothing to do with some conjured-up “war” – a cynical and overused euphemism that amounts to little more the wholesale enslavement of any nation that dares claim its sovereign rights; that dares assert that its resources are its own; that doesn’t want one of the Empire’s obscene military bases sitting on its cherished land.

This crisis has nothing to do with freedom, democracy, justice or peace. It is not about Mahmoud Zahhar or Khalid Mash’al or Ismail Haniyeh. It is not about Hassan Nasrallah or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. These are all circumstantial players who have gained a role in the current tempest only now that the situation has been allowed for 61 years to develop into the catastrophe that it is today. The Islamist factor has colored and will continue to color the atmosphere of the crisis; it has enlisted the current leaders and mobilized wide sectors of the world’s population. The primary symbols today are Islamic – the mosques, the Qur’an, the references to the Prophet Muhammad and to Jihad. But these symbols could disappear and the impasse would continue.

There was a time when Fatah and the PFLP held the day; when few Palestinians wanted anything to do with Islamist policies and politics. Such politics have nothing to do with primitive rockets being fired over the border, or smuggling tunnels and black-market weapons; just as Arafat’s Fatah had little to do with stones and suicide bombings. The associations are coincidental; the creations of a given political environment. They are the result of something entirely different than what the lying politicians and their analysts are telling you. They have become part of the landscape of human events in the modern Middle East today; but incidentals wholly as lethal, or as recalcitrant, deadly, angry or incorrigible could just as soon have been in their places.

Strip away the clichés and the vacuous newspeak blaring out across the servile media and its pathetic corps of voluntary state servants in the Western world and what you will find is the naked desire for hegemony; for power over the weak and dominion over the world’s wealth. Worse yet you will find that the selfishness, the hatred and indifference, the racism and bigotry, the egotism and hedonism that we try so hard to cover up with our sophisticated jargon, our refined academic theories and models actually help to guide our basest and ugliest desires. The callousness with which we in indulge in them all are endemic to our very culture; thriving here like flies on a corpse.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/loewenstein01012009.html

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By Robert, January 1, 2009 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment

Hey Canning…I think that UGLY “LILMAMZER” or his close relative has surfaced under another Yiddish/Hebrew name!

See below:

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Israel Launches Namer Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle Program
 

“In July 2007 the Israel Defense Forces launched the Namer (Leopard in Hebrew) Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle (AIFV) program, funding a pilot production of 15 of the tracked vehicles in 2008. The program is a major element in the IDF land forces’ five-year modernization plan. Currently in formation the plan is expected to finalize this month. Eventually, the IDF plans to buy few hundreds AIFVs, providing the infantry with the level of protection and mobility matching those of the latest Merkava Mk 4 tanks.”

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By cann4ing, January 1, 2009 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment

By namer, January 1 at 3:00 pm #

omniadeo, January 1 at 2:33 pm wrote:

“Those are the bedrock facts of this conflict.”

Wrong. It’s all about the Arabs refusing to recognize the right (and reality) of Jewish self-determination in their own homeland. Period.

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First, it was not “their homeland” until the Zionists, with the aid of the UN, forced the departure of many Arabs who resided in what we now call Israel.

In December 1948 the UN General Assembly affirmed, in accordance with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the right of Palestinians driven into exile during the first Arab-Israeli war to return to their homes.  Israel has consistently denied that right.

Second, the so-called “Jewish state” was not erected on an empty lot but in a land where Jews and Arabs both resided.  The Zionist goal of an exclusively “Jewish state” creates, by definition, a racist state.  Israel is thus no more a democracy than was the apartheid regime of South Africa.

Third, despite Israel’s persistent refusal to recognize the right of return, a number of Arab states have called for a two-state solution that would create a truly viable and independent Palestinian state along side an Israel existing within its pre-1967 borders.  It is Israel which has stubbornly clung to its brutal occupation of the West Bank for 41 years while it has created a modern version the Warsaw Ghetto in Gaza, whose inhabitants are cut off from the outside world, from vital food and medicine, and now under a vicious assault from the world’s 4th most powerful military force—an assault which, per Haaretz, has been planned for more than six months.

Israel, not Hamas, broke the ceasefire when it attacked tunnels inside Gaza, ostensibly to prevent weapons from reaching Gaza, though it appears the tunnels were used to smuggle in vital supplies of food and medicine.  The leaders of Hamas, not the sharpest tools in the shed, retaliated to this provocation by launching their rockets opening the door to the planned invasion.

Typical of Zionist ideologues, I see that you can only point to the Hamas rockets without ever acknowledging Israel’s criminality.

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By Paolo, January 1, 2009 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

Omniadeo, you are right. I got carried away. Sorry, mate.

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By omniadeo, January 1, 2009 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment

Paolo,

You are mistaken. Not your reasoning—it is flawless. You are mistaken in thinking that any reasonable exchange can take place with Namer.

Namer has a very simple moral calculus that he applies to all situations. Israel = Right. Critics = Wrong. Those in the way = Should get out of the way. Those who don’t get out of the way = Enemies. Enemies = Should be dead.

You will sooner convince your farts not to stink than you will convince Namer that Israel is capable of moral error.

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By Tony Wicher, January 1, 2009 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment

Re truedigger3, January 1 at 3:54 pm #

Some posters do not distinguish between a Jew and
a Zionist.  The first is just a religion and the
second is a political philoshpy which is adhered to
by some jews and yes, some Christians too.
If you attack all jews and attribute zionism evil
deeds to jews and not just zionists,  then you are helping zionism and zionists.
There are many jews who oppose Israel and zionism.
And many jews are currently voicing their indignations and horror at the current atrocities commited against Gaza.
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td3,

This confusion is widespread and Zionists do everything possible to keep it that way by claiming to represent all Jewish people and calling anyone who opposes Zionism anti-Semitic. Of course there are many genuine anti-Semites, including some who post here, which confuses the issue even more. Jews are not historically a national-chauvinistic people, but rather the most enlightened and internationalist people in the world. My efforts have always been directed to convincing Jewish people that Zionism is not the answer to the problem of historic anti-Semitism, and that in fact it is making anti-Semitism worse in a feedback loop which eventually will result in the very thing they most fear, a “second Holocaust”, which will probably include the rest of the world. Slowly, I hope, the progressive and humanitarian values of Jews in this country are beginning to assert themselves.

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By Paolo, January 1, 2009 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment

A recent comment:

“Wrong. It’s all about the Arabs refusing to recognize the right (and reality) of Jewish self-determination in their own homeland. Period.”

Whoa! So Jewish folk, who were expelled from the Levant two thousand years ago, have a right of self-determination over the whole of Palestine?

“Period?”

Furthermore: “in their own homeland.”

My God, what incredible “Chutzpah”!

Palestine is much more the “homeland” of Palestinians, who have lived there more or less continuously since the time of the Judges. But right now, they are at best second-class citizens in their own “homeland.” That’s if they go through the arduous process of naturalization as Israeli citizens in their own ancestral homelands. And of course, that application for citizenship can be (and most likely will be) denied at the whim of the Israeli agency in charge of citizenship.

Jewish Europeans, by contrast, who have not lived in Israel for two thousand years, get instantaneous citizenship, under the “law of return”, the second their foot touches Israeli soil. No questions asked.

You just need to be certified as Jewish. You know, kind of like the Germans under the Nazis determined who was an “Aryan”, and who wasn’t.

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By Tony Wicher, January 1, 2009 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

RE Fadel Abdallah, January 1 at 2:34 pm #
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True indeed, troublesum! This is not about Jews versus Arabs. It’s about human justice versus injustice.
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troublesum, Fadel,

Let me just add my voice to yours. That is exactly right! It’s not about Arabs v Jews, it’s about justice v injustice. And without justice there is no peace. Nor can I see how there can ever be a just two-state solution. Partition is the problem, not the solution. It doesn’t matter where you draw the line, it’s drawing a line at all that is the problem. Where there is division there must be conflict. Reunification is the only answer. Here is a discussion between Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappe,

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20080606.htm\,

Ilan Pappé: The facts on the ground had rendered a two states solution impossible a long time ago. The facts indicated that there was never and will never be an Israeli consent to a Palestinian state apart from a stateless state within two Bantustans in the West Bank and Gaza totally under Israeli control. There is already one state and the struggle is to change its nature and regime. Whether the new regime and constitutional basis would be bi-national or democratic, or maybe even both, is less significant at this point. Any political outfit that would replace the present racist state of affairs is welcome. Any such outfit should also enable the refugees to return and even the most recent immigrants to remain.”

Chomsky does not think a one-state solution is practical at this time and that raising it is only a distraction that serves Israel:

Noam Chomsky: We have to make a distinction between proposal and advocacy. We can propose that everyone should live in peace. It becomes advocacy when we sketch out a realistic path from here to there. A one-state solution makes little sense, in my opinion, but a bi-national state does. It was possible to advocate such a settlement from 1967 to the mid-1970s, and in fact I did, in many writings and talks, including a book. The reaction was mostly fury. After Palestinian national rights entered the international agenda in the mid-1970s, it has remained possible to advocate bi-nationalism (and I continue to do so), but only as a process passing through intermediate stages, the first being a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus. That outcome, probably the best that can be envisioned in the short term, was almost reached in negotiations in Taba in January 2001, and according to participants, could have been reached had the negotiations not been prematurely terminated by Barak. That was the one moment in the past 30 years when the two leading rejectionist states did briefly consider joining the international consensus, and the one time when a diplomatic settlement seemed within sight. Much has changed since 2001, but I do not see any reason to believe that what was apparently within reach then is impossible today. It is of some interest, and I think instructive, that proposals for a “one-state solution” are tolerated within the mainstream today, unlike the period when advocacy was indeed feasible and they were anathema. Today they are published in the New York Times, New York Review of Books, and elsewhere. One can only conclude that they are considered acceptable today because they are completely unfeasible—they remain proposal, not advocacy. In practice, the proposals lend support to US-Israeli rejectionism, and undermine the only feasible advocacy of a bi-national solution, in stages.”

Chomsky thinks the negotiations were “almost there” in 2001. Somehow I think that’s an illusion. The fact is that neither side wants a two-state solution AND both sides are right about that. They both know Pappe is right. It’s time to start thinking outside the box. Do you hear me, Barack Obama?

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By Jon, January 1, 2009 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
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Pandora’s Box was opened by America when the Trade Towers fell. This tipping point in our history will forever justify our boundless aggression, terrorism, violence and contempt for human life and laws. We will stop ONLY when there are only stones left to throw and neither people to throw them nor people to throw them at.

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By truedigger3, January 1, 2009 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

Some posters do not distinguish between a Jew and
a Zionist.  The first is just a religion and the
second is a political philoshpy which is adhered to
by some jews and yes, some Christians too.
If you attack all jews and attribute zionism evil
deeds to jews and not just zionists,  then you are helping zionism and zionists.
There are many jews who oppose Israel and zionism.
And many jews are currently voicing their indignations and horror at the current atrocities commited against Gaza.

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By geronimo, January 1, 2009 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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The Gaza Holocaust = The Undoing Of Zionism

“Otherwise?”

“The abyss.”

“Based on?”

“Gaza looking more and more like the Warsaw Ghetto.”

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By namer, January 1, 2009 at 4:00 pm Link to this comment

omniadeo, January 1 at 2:33 pm wrote:

“Those are the bedrock facts of this conflict.”

Wrong. It’s all about the Arabs refusing to recognize the right (and reality) of Jewish self-determination in their own homeland. Period.

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By troublesum, January 1 at 1:44 pm #

“This has nothing to do with Jews or Arabs; it has to do with Zionism - the belief that the land belongs only to Jews and no one else.  My father told me that the Jews and Arabs lived together like brothers before the Zionists came.”  An Ultra-Orthodox Rabbi speaking in the film “Occupation 101.”
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True indeed, troublesum! This is not about Jews versus Arabs. It’s about human justice versus injustice. So, based on this, anyone who supports the current Israeli terrorism is a “party to murder” as the title of this thread eloquently puts it. And anyone who supports the Palestinians is on the side of humanity, justice and human rights.

It’s as simple as that, unless one is born evil or is mentally-retarded!

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By omniadeo, January 1, 2009 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

Yes, ethnic prejudice, while easy to spot in namer and gus, ultimately is NOT what this is about. It is about land, water and violence used to take and hold the land and water of others.

No Palestininian that I know of is living on land or using water taken from Jews in the violence of the last hundred years. Millions of Jews are living on land and using water taken from Palestinians and held using the violence of the last hundred years.

Those are the bedrock facts of this conflict.

Gus doesn’t seem to care about the facts, but just wants to thrill to his own anti-Semitism. Namer knows these facts but doesn’t care because non-Jews and especially Palestinians are not worth worrying about.

Maani, who clearly has a conscience, has to argue with himself to justify his defense of Israeli actions, but in the end his position comes down to this: Israel was wrong to do what it did, and is still doing, to the Palestinians, but because Israel won, and won’t ever go away, the Palestinians should just admit defeat, quit beating their head against the wall and negotiate themselves into ever weaker positions. Palestinian refusal to do this and their insistence on firing rockets into the Jewish population now living on the land of the Palestinians is therefore moral justification for the Israelis to go in and kill 100 Palestinians and wound 1000 for every one dead/wounded Israeli.

Maani, I recognize your attempts at decency and your obvious discomfort with your own position. I also know that it is not easy to take a loud public position that is contrary to a very entrenched Jewish establishment (one at odds with the opinions of most Jews, btw) and you do try to do that. But you can only go so far and your position doesn’t hold under scrutiny. In the end it recognizes the right of Jews to defend themselves in ways it does not grant to others.

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By troublesum, January 1, 2009 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

“This has nothing to do with Jews or Arabs; it has to do with Zionism - the belief that the land belongs only to Jews and no one else.  My father told me that the Jews and Arabs lived together like brothers before the Zionists came.”  An Ultra-Orthodox Rabbi speaking in the film “Occupation 101.”

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By Anne Sweet, January 1, 2009 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment
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I beg your pardon Jews and non-Jews. It is not fair what Israel is doing and any clear thinking person knows that and can see that. It is about time for the entire Israeli cabinet and past cabinets to march to The Hague and get their rightful punishment. On their way they can also pick up the Palistinians who have allowed the rockets to be launched into Israel and then we should ask the UN to go and mend what they mess up for the past 50 years and try and bring the people together or form what they call seperate states.

Mr Ban Ki-Moon, you can go down in history as the greatest peace maker of all time or become a failure like all the others before you. I wish you good luck and pray for peace. Ladies and Gentlemen, Peace needs no time, neither space, all it needs is for us to want it.

God Bless

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By troublesum, January 1, 2009 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment

The Hamas freedom fighters who are the moral equivilant of our founding fathers have been aiming their “rockets” at the areas where Palestinians owned the land before they were evited in ‘48 by the zionist terrorists.  The “rockets” have not been aimed at buildings where civilians live.  Any Israeli civilians who have been killed have most likely been killed by the Israeli army to make it look like they were killed by the “rockets” fired by Hamas.

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By Allan Gurfinkle, January 1, 2009 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment
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The US is not a ‘party’ to murder, it is directly responsible for it.  Israel is entirely dependent on US aid.  The US is the only country in the world that supports Israel.  The US government supports, supplies, and pays for everything Israel does.

Well, if the US is responsible, does the responsibility fall equally on every citizen?  I don’t think that it does, I think is primarily the Zionists, in the government, in the lobbies, and in the population at large.  Were it not for the Zionists, the US would have an evenhanded approach to Israel.

It is way past time to view the US as ‘party to’ the crimes of the Israelis, we are directly responsible.

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By Folktruther, January 1, 2009 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

I’m a Jew, Gus, and like a fraction of other Jews, strongly oppose the US-Israeli attack on the Palestinians.  Aand oppose all the Zionists Obama has appointed to his cabinet.  And think it is essential that the American people distinguish between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism and oppose Zionist money, media and management in both parties.

But since you, Gus, tar all Jews as an ethnic group with supporting Israel’s murderous aggression, ziofascists like namer and howard can point to you as being typical of the opposition to US-Israeli aggression.  And since anti-semitism is embodied in the presuppositions of the Christain religion historically, much more so than in the Muslim religion, you give ziofascists a talking point.

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By namer, January 1, 2009 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

2009 starts with a miracle: Grad hits Ashdod, none wounded

An apartment building in Ashdod was hit by a rocket, and nobody was hurt.

A Grad rocket fired from northern Gaza at around noon Thursday struck an eight-storey apartment building in Ashdod. The rocket hit the building’s roof and penetrated two floors. There were no initial reports of injury. A fire broke out at the premises, but it was extinguished by firefighters who were dispatched to the scene. Some 20 people were treated for shock.
The Israeli Air Force struck a launching pad in Gaza used to fire the rocket at Ashdod. The target was reportedly destroyed.

Eyewitness Haim Sarusi: “a huge cloud of smoke billowed over the building, as though someone had bombed the site from the air. A number of people screamed and asked for help. It’s a miracle that no one was hurt.”

What must be going through the minds of the Hamas terrorists at this point? They know they’re hitting Israeli sites, and when they score a big one—two floors of an apartment building—everyone makes it out untouched. Luck? Yeah. You could call it that.

The Grad rocket attacks are proof that Israel made some serious errors when getting out of Gaza. First, she should never have given up control of the Philadelphi corridor. That allowed Hamas to smuggle the Grads in from Egypt. Second, Hamas should never have been allowed to run in Gaza elections.

Those two mistakes are what’s causing the rockets to fall in Beersheba and Ashkelon.

The Negev’s large cities were targeted again by Palestinian rocket-firing crews Wednesday, as two Grads slammed into residential neighborhoods in Ashkelon, and one that hit Beersheba heavily damaged a classroom that was fortunately empty.

In Ashkelon, air-raid sirens rang out to warn residents of both attacks, bringing cars to a stop and sending the few residents who had ventured outdoors scrambling for cover. The thud of a rocket landing could be heard shortly after each siren.

One rocket landed at a busy intersection while a second slammed into a road. Four people were lightly wounded by shrapnel, police said.

Video of Grad rockets being fired from a truck-mounted launcher:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lGwyySrwY

Those are what’s hitting Israel’s cities. (Hamas fires them in single salvos, apparently).  Hamas had to smuggle in the rockets and the launchers. And they had to have the help of a state like Syria or Iran to get them.

Each time the IAF hits a Grad rocket launcher, that’s one step closer to stopping the rocket fire. They’re not like kassams. Destroy all the launchers, and the rockets are useless, except as secondary explosions when the IAF hits a rocket facility.

Video of IAF hits on Grad rockets being loaded on truck by Hamas terrorists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG0CzM_Frvc

This particular hit was excellent: many terror weapons destroyed as well as the Hamas assholes readying them for launch at civilians across the border in Israel.

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By nefertiti, January 1, 2009 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

Verne Arnold

Bless you . I wish we had more people (in the West ) like you , peace would not be a dream then .

Nahida = Great Job .

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By namer, January 1, 2009 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

Famous last words

Israel got a top Hamasnik (and watch for the screaming about his wives and daughters, who refused to leave the house after being warned a Hellfire missile was on its way). These are pretty fitting last words:

 

Wednesday saw Rayyan speak at a Gaza mosque and call on Muslims everywhere to pray for the Palestinians in the Strip. “We do not need money or weapons, we only need your prayers. We can handle the enemy ourselves.”

Way to handle the enemy, Rayyan. May all the rest of your fellow Hamas terrorists do it the same way.

By the way, when the civilian death count goes up as a result of this hit, please remember this is why:

Prior to striking Rayyan’s house the IDF tried to warn his family about the imminent attack and urged them to evacuate the place, but they refused to do so.

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By nefertiti, January 1, 2009 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

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Verne
I agree with you about Obama . I also admired him and expected a miracle for him and i wished i could vote in the US , but i lost hope the day he spoke at AIPAC and in the Israeli knesset and started assuring israel he is all the way with them .
People say he did not have a comment because he is not yet a president , Yet he did condemn the Tragedy in Mumbay attacks recently . he choses not keep quiet thus giving a Carte blanche to the zionists .

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By cann4ing, January 1, 2009 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

“DOV KHENIN: Well, the most important thing to realize is that there is an opposition inside Israel to the war and to everything going on around right now in Gaza. This position is a Jewish-Arab one. On Saturday night, we had a demonstration in Tel Aviv of 2,000 young people, mainly Jews, and there are a lot of demonstrations all over Israel of Jews and Arabs opposing the war policy of the current government. This opposition is growing steadily. It is very important to know this and to understand that there are other voices in Israeli society who do not express [inaudible] a war, and they believe there is a better alternative for Israelis and Palestinians alike….

“We should not go along the line of total war between Israelis and Palestinians for generations. We should have another option, which is much better and possible, and that is the option of achieving a real and substantive peace agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians. This is the possibility that the Israel government do not accept. This is the problem.”

JONATHAN BEN-ARTZI (nephew of BENJAMIN NETANYAHU):  “I’m speaking to you here not as anyone’s nephew or anything like that, but just as someone who’s, you know, speaking as an Israeli—I’m not an American—and trying to speak out to Americans to tell them you don’t have to support Israel blindly. Not everything that Israel does is holy. And sometimes you have to speak firmly to Israel and tell us, tell our government, you know, stop doing this.”

Ben-Artzie, a pacifist, spent a year and a half in prison for refusing military service in the IDF.  Dov Khenin is an Israeli lawmaker, a member of the left-wing Hadash party, a Jewish-Arab party also known as the Democratic Front for Peace and Equality.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/31/israeli_lawmaker_and_conscientious_objector_nephew

A critical component of the Zionist ability to continue such atrocious behavior is the complicity of the corporate owned U.S. media in spouting Zionist propaganda.  The range of discourse in the U.S. corporate press is far more narrow than even the Israeli press.  Haaretz revealed that this brutal assault on Gaza had been planned more than six months ago; that it was Israel which first broke the cease fire when it launched an assault on tunnels that were ostensibly used to smuggle arms—the tunnels are needed because the Israeli blockade has choked off vital supplies of food and medicine.  But if you only read the NY Times, you would think this all started from a Hamas rocket launch.

(Unfortunately, Hamas leaders are not the sharpest tools in the shed.  The tunnel assault was intended as a provocation, and they lamely took the bait, retaliating with rockets).

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By Paolo, January 1, 2009 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

To get an idea of just how inadequate and desperate is the Palestinian resistance, consider their most high-tech weapon: the Qassam “missile.”

The Qassam missile is a home-made rocket, fueled (I’m not making this up) by a mixture of potassium nitrate fertilizer and sugar. It has a maximum range of 10 kilometers (about 6.5 miles).

If you fired off a Qassam, at maximum range, from the heart of New York City, it would land in—New York City.

This “missile” has no guidance system. It’s pretty much just aim, light the fuse, stand back (after all, it might explode), and hope for the best.

In six years, some three thousand Qassams have managed to kill fifteen Israelis. That’s a kill rate of one Israeli for every 200 Qassams.

You would have a better kill rate throwing rocks over the formidable barrier surrounding the Gaza Strip Ghetto (named hereinafter after the famed Warsaw Ghetto) and hoping to hit a random, passing civilian.

A recent poll showed that 71 percent of US citizens favor taking no sides in the conflict. Yet, our political masters insist on one hundred percent, goose-stepping loyalty to Israel.

Man, that Israeli Lobby is formidable.

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

From the horse’s mouth:


Some Jews talking amongst themselves; they wish victory to Hamas, encourage Palestinian to join Hamas, and want the destruction of israel

(Emphases are mine)


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http://palestineisrael.ning.com/forum/topics/urgent-actions-for-peace

1) By: gad yariv

so let get to the point… this is nice and all, but your basic Assumption is wrong, people don’t want to change the way things go, you Assumption the people in Israel don’t want war… but that’s just me pessimistic. There are all ready many groups working for this cause, with people from Israel Palestine and all over the world.

Ask Eva or any other of the guys on the site they can give you a list.
I would say there is no use in all they do, cause in the end most of the Israelis just want the Palestinians dead, and until they can kill us in the numbers we kill them things will never change, hay, but don’t listen to me, this young and already this negative.

Used to think like you, then joined some groups, later joined the evil mepeace, can’t think like you any more.
Even most of the Israelis peacemakers don’t really want peace. (None of the guys in this site included)

Yes what is happening is our RESPONSIBILITY, but the killing in Gaza is not the army makings or the governments making, it’s us, all Israelis who are responsible.

The government is just a representation of the people, and we could have had peace with the Palestinians a very long time ago, if we really wanted it.

And what would I say to a fellow Palestinian pacemaker, I will say that I have a great respect for him for the path he choose, but drop it, you have a better chance joining Hamas.

If I could I would have given you your house back in Haifa and give up half of this stupid land, but all the other guys in Israel all they want is to see you dead.


2) Shaul

Dear Gad,

As usual, you sound very pessimistic about all the situation here, but as usual, I tend to agree with you.
This particularly inept and cruel “war” (in fact, a blunt Israeli aggression against the population of Gaza) shows more clearer that ever the deep racist chauvinism of the vast majority of the Jewish Israelis, including, as you say very justly, sadly enough, most of the so-called leftist. For all of them, the life of one Jew in Israel is worth more than the life of hundreds of Palestinians…

Like you, I am very pessimistic about the possibility to change something significantly in the frame of the present State of Israel. There is something too fundamentally wrong with this country, so rotten to the core, that it must first disappeared as such before a radical change in the situation here can occur.

The Jewish Israeli state, in its present form, can only live by the sword, and you will have to abolish it in order to reach peace, but the paradox is that it has not the slightest chance to be accepted as a peace program by the immense majority of the Jewish population of Israel, except for a few dissidents, or “traitors”, like you and me. Yes, in the present mood, I am beginning to wish a victory of the Hamas...

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By Lanna, January 1, 2009 at 10:00 am Link to this comment
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Victimization is crucial.

Hamas daily sends barrages into Israel, as its hooded thugs thump their chests and brag of their radical Islamic militancy. But when the payback comes, suddenly warriors are transmogrified into weeping victims, posing teary-eyed for the news camera as they deplore “genocide” and “the Palestinian Holocaust.” At least the Japanese militarists did not cry out to the League of Nations for help once mean Marines landed on Iwo Jima.

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By Lanna, January 1, 2009 at 9:56 am Link to this comment
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Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 to great expectations that the Palestinians there would combine their new autonomy, some existing infrastructure left behind by the Israelis, Middle East oil money and American pressure for free and open elections to craft a peaceful, prosperous democracy.

The world hoped that Gaza might thrive first, and then later adjudicate its ongoing disputes with Israel through diplomacy. Instead, the withdrawal was seen not as a welcome Israeli concession, but as a sign of newfound Jewish weakness—and that the intifada tactics that had liberated Gaza could be amplified into a new war to end the Zionist entity itself.

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By troublesum, January 1, 2009 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

The assault was planned at least 6 months ago and had nothing to do with Hamas firing “rockets.”  http://www.counterpunch.org/tariq12302008.html

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., January 1, 2009 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

It is disturbing to me that freedom of the press in America has come to this. It is no wonder that we are wondering down the same path that led to the downfall of Germany a la Weimar Republic, Japan a la Shinto Warriors, etc. Or will America fall in upon itself like the Roman and British Empires?

I have to go to the foreign press to get the whole story. Fortunately for me, I am open minded enough to filter out the bias there as well. What about the general run of our American public who do not have such filters of education and experience to protect them from the propaganda of the Islamists, Zionists, and other less pervasive distortions of reality and reason. At least the foreign press gives us the story in graphic detail for us to delete or shred according to our reaction to it.

They say that one picture is worth a thousand words. Is Truth a match against a million pretty little lies in the American press? You don’t even have to print the graphics to give us the truth. One-thousandth of a grain of truth is better than a year’s supply of the tripe that passes for American news. I am old enough to remember Hitler’s propaganda machine and the propaganda of the Soviet and Chinese press. I can still get the propaganda from Cuban, Israeli, and Islamist sources. Fortunately Israeli press is open and available for the contrasts. Not my American press.

http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2008/12/31/gaza-and-the-us-corporate-media/

http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2008/12/31/gaza-and-the-us-corporate-media/

http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

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Reality in Palestine

http://palestinian.ning.com/video/1970466:Video:37170

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Gaza Massacre - The Movie

http://palestinian.ning.com/video/video/show?id=1970466:Video:37291

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Nowhere to run for those trapped in Gaza

http://palestinian.ning.com/video/nowhere-to-run-for-those

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please spread widely

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By Frank Goodman, Sr., January 1, 2009 at 8:21 am Link to this comment

RE: namer, January 1 at 5:54 am

“Gaza solution is in the hands of Palestinians” By TAWFIK HAMID

Muslim doctors have fled from the carnage of Gaza and West Bank. So have many Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Muslims. I dare say that there are more Palestinians in Europe, United States, and the rest of the ‘free’ world than in all of Israel and Palestine. I also know that there are more Jews in North America than in Israel and West Bank settlements. They are the equivalent of Americans who fled to Canada to escape military service in an unpopular war. I avoided the horrors of combat by choosing to be a medic in the US Army and saw more horrors of combat than most soldiers do in active combat. Not that I am against defense, but that I am better at ministering to save lives than at killing. I have to leave the gory tasks to more skilled killers. “Blessed are the meek….”

Too many people are cowards when it comes to fighting for justice and human rights. Doctor Tawfiq seems to advocate surrender of human rights to the thugs who destroy human rights. I suppose it is useless for cattle to object to being slaughtered for human food. The American Natives found that surrender was in their best interest in the long run, but they lost the freedom of the savage in the process. The gain is one of scale and modern justice. Human rights are still on the move in America. The filter of history will sort out the benefits for future generations of Israelis, Palestinians, and Americans. I guess Doctor Taufiq gets his fee.

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By Howard, January 1, 2009 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

THANKS NAMER !  Your comments are very good and much needed here.  And the exerpt from the book by Tawfik Hamid is right on the money.  I will get his book: Inside Jihad.

Just looney that Hamas provoked this crisis on purpose. Last June, Israel and Hamas agreed on a six-month truce. This rocky calm was periodically shattered by armed groups in Gaza that fired rockets into Israel. Israel responded by periodically suspending shipment of supplies to Gaza.

In November and early December, Hamas increased the number of the rocket attacks and then, unilaterally, formally announced the end of the truce.

Israel finally had to respond. What the dickens else could they do ? Hamas had goaded and had taken the first assaulting step. Israel’s air attack on Hamas, which began last Saturday, has gone after their security and governmental buildings and compounds.  Turning them into rubble. And several hundred Hamas fighters were killed.

Hamas is looking for the worlds’ sympathy. But this trick is getting old.  All they have to do is stop the rockets. Yet Hamas is not noted for doing the right thing, let alone helping their people.

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

Where’s the Academic Outrage Over the Bombing of a University in Gaza?

The Chronicle of Higher Education            
December 30, 2008

http://chronicle.com/news/article/5725/opinion-wheres-the-academic-outrage-over-the-bombing-of-a-university-in-gaza

By Neve Gordon and Jeff Halper

Not one of the 450 presidents of American colleges and universities, who denounced the decision of the union representing British academics to promote a boycott of Israeli universities, raised their voice against the bombardment of the Islamic University in Gaza. Columbia University President Lee Bollinger who organized the petition remained silent, as did his co-signatories from Princeton, Northwestern, MIT and Cornell. Most others who signed similar petitions, like the 11,000! professors from nearly 1,000 universities around the world, also refrained from expressing their outrage when the leading university in the Gaza Strip was attacked. The artfully named Scholars for Peace in the Middle East, which organized the latter appeal, surely had nothing to say about the assault.

The story was reported widely by the different news agencies, including the Chronicle. Haaretz noted that Israel bombed the Islamic University and a government compound in Gaza City, key centers of Hamas power, in the third day of its aerial assault on the city.  While the extent of the damage to the university, which was hit in six different air strikes, is unknown at this moment, Haaretz reported that Two major buildings were levelled to the floor¦ One building was main laboratories and the other was lecture rooms buildings.

read the rest
http://chronicle.com/news/article/5725/opinion-wheres-the-academic-outrage-over-the-bombing-of-a-university-in-gaza

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By thebeerdoctor, January 1, 2009 at 8:04 am Link to this comment

re: greenferret

Here is something that might be of interest:
http://www.alternet.org/audits/116640/

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

Israel’s onslaught on Gaza is a crime that cannot succeed

The US-backed attempt to bring Hamas to heel by overwhelming force is in fact more likely to boost the movement’s appeal

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/30/israel-and-the-palestinians-middle-east

Seumas Milne

The Guardian, Tuesday 30 December 2008

Quote: “During the last seven years, 14 Israelis have been killed by mostly homemade rockets fired from the Gaza Strip, while more than 5,000 Palestinians were killed by Israel with some of the most advanced US-supplied armaments in the world. And while no rockets are fired from the West Bank, 45 Palestinians have died there at Israel’s hands this year alone. The issue is of course not just the vast disparity in weapons and power, but that one side is the occupier, the other the occupied.”

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 7:49 am Link to this comment

So what have the Palestinians got to complain about?
Mark Steel

http://tinyurl.com/736aac

To portray this as a conflict between equals requires some imagination


Wednesday, 31 December 2008

statements from Israeli and US politicians, and try to match them with the pictures of devastation, there seems to be only one explanation. They must have one of those conditions, called something like “Visual-Carnage-Responsibility-Back-To-Front-Upside-Down-Massacre-Disorder”.

For example, Condoleezza Rice, having observed that more than 300 Gazans were dead, said: “We are deeply concerned about the escalating violence. We strongly condemn the attacks on Israel and hold Hamas responsible.”

Someone should ask her to comment on teenage knife-crime, to see if she’d say: “I strongly condemn the people who’ve been stabbed, and until they abandon their practice of wandering around clutching their sides and bleeding, there is no hope for peace.”

The Israeli government suffers terribly from this confusion. They probably have adverts on Israeli television in which a man falls off a ladder and screams, “Eeeeugh”, then a voice says, “Have you caused an accident at work in the last 12 months?” and the bloke who pushed him gets £3,000.

The gap between the might of Israel’s F-16 bombers and Apache helicopters, and the Palestinians’ catapulty thing is so ridiculous that to try and portray the situation as between two equal sides requires the imagination of a children’s story writer.

The reporter on News at Ten said the rockets “may be ineffective, but they ARE symbolic.” So they might not have weapons but they have got symbolism, the canny brutes.

It’s no wonder the Israeli Air Force had to demolish a few housing estates, otherwise Hamas might have tried to mock Israel through a performance of expressive dance.

The rockets may be unable to to kill on the scale of the Israeli Air Force, said one spokesman, but they are “intended to kill”.

Maybe he went on: “And we have evidence that Hamas supporters have dreams, and that in these dreams bad things happen to Israeli citizens, they burst, or turn into cactus, or run through Woolworths naked, so it’s not important whether it can happen, what matters is that they WANT it to happen, so we blew up their university.”

read the rest http://tinyurl.com/736aac

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By Dave Schwab, January 1, 2009 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

US military spending, including billions to fund Israel’s bombing campaigns, is not making us safer.

Sign the petition for a Secure Green Future at Green Change: http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/1488/t/689/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=509

We’re telling Obama to cut wasteful military spending by at least 70% and invest the savings in education, health care, preventing foreclosures, and developing green energy. It’s time to reject failed militarism and invest in human needs.

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

Dear troublesum and all good people

Please spread the word

Share the TRUTH

Use every avenue

The rope of lies is always short

The days of deception are numbered

May you be blessed

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

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The TRUTH is in here, see it with your own eyes:


http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story

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By troublesum, January 1, 2009 at 7:13 am Link to this comment

Eventually, Israel will be forced to recognize the right of Palestine to exist.  This present crisis will be a turning point in the 60 year conflict.  Public opinion is turning against Isreal in the US.

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By troublesum, January 1, 2009 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

Thank you again Nahida for posting so much important information.  In the US the Palestinian history is not allowed to be told.  You have done a great service.

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By namer, January 1, 2009 at 7:01 am Link to this comment

nahida, January 1 at 4:38 am wrote:

“As for killing innocent people, here are some thoughts:

Firstly:

We, as Muslims, must NOT allow our pain and outrage at the hostility, horrors and crimes we have seen to deviate us from justice and from upholding our ethics!

“O ye who believe! be steadfast firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, Let not a group’s hostility to you cause you to deviate from justice. Be just, for it is closer to piety. Be God conscious; for God is Well Aware of what you do.” (Quran; 5-8 )”

....wrote “Nahida” (the shill for genocidal Palestinian Arab terrorists) Iranian-made Grad rockets with ball-bearing-filled warheads (specifically to maximize the capability to kill and maim) now rain down on more than 600,000 citizens of Israel.

Bullshit and hypocrisy such as yours “Nahida” makes Orwell spin in his grave. It also makes Islamic doublespeak and Taqqiyah the laughingstock of free-thinking human beings the world over not bound by an ideology of hate and cynicism.

Keep posting this stuff - it makes the distinctions so much clearer.

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By namer, January 1, 2009 at 6:54 am Link to this comment

Gaza solution is in the hands of Palestinians
By TAWFIK HAMID

The writer, a medical doctor and Muslim reformer, is the author of Inside Jihad.

After Israel launched its military attack on Hamas military installations in Gaza in response to repeated attacks on Israeli civilians, the Arab street wasted no time in demonstrating with passion against Israel. In Europe, many Westerners also took part in the protests.

As an Egyptian Muslim now living in America, I ask myself why the Arab street and its supporters in the West never show similarly strong response against Islamic terrorists who target innocents worldwide and explode markets full of predominantly Muslim civilians in Iraq, Pakistan, Sudan, Turkey, etc. When you consider that the Israeli attack killed some 400 mostly Hamas militant in the first four days, the passive attitude of the Muslim world against the terrorists represents extreme hypocrisy. If it truly cared for Muslims’ lives, it should have demonstrated in the same numbers and with equal vehemence against the Islamists who murder hundreds of thousands of their fellow Muslims, not to mention the Hamas slaughter of rival Fatah members - women and children included.

Another question is why we have not seen a similarly strong reaction against the terrorists who conducted the latest attack in Mumbai. Many Indians, Westerners and Jews were killed. Yet there was no spontaneous eruption of outrage and demonstrations in Europe to denounce the attacks as in the case of Gaza. Are these lesser lives than those of the Palestinians? Where is the organized public fury for the wanton killing of Indians and Jews?

We have witnessed the burning of churches in Iraq at the hands of jihadists. We also know that thousands of Christian Iraqis have fled because the Islamists imposed on them the traditional Shari’a choice for non-Muslims: Convert to Islam, pay a humiliating tax (jizzia), or be killed. Yet, we have not heard any thing from the Arab street or its supporters. Only stone silence. Are Palestinian lives worth more than those of Christians in Iraq?

An insular tribal mentality still governs the Muslim world, and there is no willingness to demonstrate against fellow Muslims, even against those who have committed great crimes against other Muslims. And Europe is too eviscerated to come to the aid of Christian victims of anti-“infidelism.”

Then there is plain old anti-Semitism. It is so easy to demonstrate against the Jews or Israel and extremely rare to see demonstrations in support of Jewish victims, such as the altruistic rabbi and his wife who were singled out for special torture in Mumbai by the Islamists. It does the bloodstained European conscience good to be able to point a finger at supposed Israeli “aggression” to help alleviate some of its own lingering guilt.

The Muslim world and the Europeans who support the demonstrations against Israel must stop the biased reaction that blindly and reflexively supports the Palestinians and villifies Israel. Those who demonstrate against the military campaign on Gaza must realize that if Hamas had stopped pounding Israel with its rockets, Israel would not have launched its attack. If the Palestinians focused on building their society rather than destroying those of others, the whole region would enjoy peace and flourish. Should Palestinians recognize the right of Israel to exist, end terrorism against Jews and nurture a sincere desire to live in peace, they would end their suffering. The solution now is simply in the hands of the Palestinians - not the Israelis.

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By troublesum, January 1, 2009 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

Where did the Palestinians living in the Gaza concentration camps come from?: http://www.independent.co.uk/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-why-bombing-ashkelon-is-the-most-tragic-irony-1216228.html

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By Robert, January 1, 2009 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

Israel’s ‘victories’ in Gaza come at a steep price

January 02, 2009 Edition | csmonitor.com
By Sara Roy

The Jewish ethical tradition means embracing Palestinians, too.

Cambridge, Mass. - “I hear the voices of my friends in Gaza as clearly as if we were still on the phone; their agony echoes inside me. They weep and moan over the death of their children, some, little girls like mine, taken, their bodies burned and destroyed so senselessly.

One Palestinian friend asked me, “Why did Israel attack when the children were leaving school and the women were in the markets?” There are reports that some parents cannot find their dead children and are desperately roaming overflowing hospitals.

As Jews celebrated the last night of Hanukkah, the Jewish festival of lights commemorating our resurgence as a people, I asked myself: How am I to celebrate my Jewishness while Palestinians are being killed?

The religious scholar Marc Ellis challenges us further by asking whether the Jewish covenant with God is present or absent in the face of Jewish oppression of Palestinians? Is the Jewish ethical tradition still available to us? Is the promise of holiness – so central to our existence – now beyond our ability to reclaim?

The lucky ones in Gaza are locked in their homes living lives that have long been suspended – hungry, thirsty, and without light but their children are alive.

Since Nov. 4, when Israel effectively broke the truce with Hamas by attacking Gaza on a scale then unprecedented – a fact now buried with Gaza’s dead – the violence has escalated as Hamas responded by sending hundreds of rockets into Israel to kill Israeli civilians. It is reported that Israel’s strategy is to hit Hamas military targets, but explain that difference to my Palestinian friends who must bury their children.

On Nov. 5, Israel sealed all crossing points into Gaza, vastly reducing and at times denying food supplies, medicines, fuel, cooking gas, and parts for water and sanitation systems. A colleague of mine in Jerusalem said, “this siege is in a league of its own. The Israelis have not done something like this before.”

During November, an average of 4.6 trucks of food per day entered Gaza from Israel compared with an average of 123 trucks per day in October. Spare parts for the repair and maintenance of water-related equipment have been denied entry for over a year. The World Health Organization just reported that half of Gaza’s ambulances are now out of order.

According to the Associated Press, the three-day death toll rose to at least 370 by Tuesday morning, with some 1,400 wounded. The UN said at least 62 of the dead were civilians. A Palestinian health official said that at least 22 children under age 16 were killed and more than 235 children have been wounded.

In nearly 25 years of involvement with Gaza and Palestinians, I have not had to confront the horrific image of burned children – until today.”

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=2321

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

Fifthly:

Hamas has offered cease fire many times, Hamas has offered the ending of killing civilians on both sides, and all this was rejected and ignored by the warmongers of zion, time and again


Hamas offers to renew cease-fire with Israel
Friday, June 16, 2006


http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/15/hamas.ceasefire/index.html

Israel rejects Gaza cease-fire offer
Sep 21, 2007

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411457380&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull


Ehud Olmert rejects Hamas’ offer of cease-fire in Gaza Strip
23/12/2007

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/937196.html

Olmert rejects Hamas cease-fire offer
Tue., December 25, 2007

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/937511.html


ISRAEL REJECTS HAMAS CEASE-FIRE OFFER AS HUMANITARIAN CRISIS DEEPENS IN GAZA
April 25, 2008

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0425/p99s01-duts.html


Israel rejects Hamas cease-fire offer as humanitarian crisis deepens in Gaza
Fri Apr 25 08


http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20080425/wl_csm/odu0425

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

As for killing innocent people, here are some thoughts:

Firstly:

We, as Muslims, must NOT allow our pain and outrage at the hostility, horrors and crimes we have seen to deviate us from justice and from upholding our ethics!

“O ye who believe! be steadfast firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, Let not a group’s hostility to you cause you to deviate from justice. Be just, for it is closer to piety. Be God conscious; for God is Well Aware of what you do.” (Quran; 5-8 )

secondly:

Qur’anic principles admonish followers of Islam against killing children and innocent people who are not actively involved in war, Muslims are prohibited from even cutting trees, demolishing homes and houses of worship, or causing damage to nature during war

No soul shall be made to bear the burden (liability) of another.” (35:18 )


Thirdly:


In the zionist entity, there are no civilians except children, , every man and woman MUST serve in the army for 2-3 years, and they stay in the reserve until they retire


</b>Fourthly:</b>

  Hamas, as an Islamic Resistance Movement, theoretically adheres to those principles, and respects them; however, the human factor, the incessant devastatation, the constant trauma caused by long term brutality and the never-ending killing of Palestinian children infuriates the most sane person into anger and outrage

In no way, Hamas, justifies the killing of innocent children:

Hamas: Rocket attacks not aimed at Israeli women, children

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/971873.html

Gaza - The Islamic Hamas movement on Saturday denied targeting Israeli children and women with rocket fire from the Gaza Strip.

“Hamas doesn’t mean to kill children with its rockets,” spokesman Ismail Radwan told reporters in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip in response to a statement made by al-Qaida’s second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who said Hamas’ random rockets kill women and children in violation of Islamic law.

Radwan added that “the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians may involve some killing of children,” accusing the Israeli army of “deliberately killing children, women and destroying houses and mosques.”

“We are freedom fighters, not gangs,” a senior Hamas official in Gaza told the AP. “Women and children are not a target for Hamas. They have never been a target and they will never be our main target despite the daily killing of our women and children by Israel in cold blood.”

Abu Mahmoud, a spokesman for the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades in the West Bank, said the group was “shocked by what we see on television” about the Russian school standoff.

“We would never agree to such a thing,” he said. “We never did such a thing and never would. When there is an explosion and children are killed, we are sorry for this because this was a mistake, not on purpose.”

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=2&x_article=756


Hamas: rocket attacks not meant to kill Israeli children

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-04/05/content_7924868.htm

Enough to look at the figures to see who is really targeting children:

123 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and </b>1,050</b> Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.” Bishop Desmond Tutu

To give an analogyof our situation;

If a thief comes to your home, kills some of your children, kicks some of them out, and locks you in the basement for sixty years, while raging havoc in your house and garden

Then you are told that the only solution is to negotiate with the murderer thief; however the thief refuses to talk to you because you words are unpleasant and they disturb his peace; as you keep making noise in the basement, and you throw some fire works out to your garden to get the attention of some neighbours with conscience.

Then finally the police intervene, and then after arming the thief to his teeth they persuade him to agree to talk to you.

At long last the thief agrees to talk to you, but he comes with a list of demands, including:


No talks about your children, who’ve been kicked out

No talks about any room in the house

No talks about his incessant torture of your children

No talks about allowing you to use the bathroom upstairs

No talks about which corner of the basement he might give you


Furthermore, he demands that you respect the facts on the grounds, and should never ask to resolve the injustice by going back to how things were 60 years ago

Not only that, he demands also that you accept his right to exist in your house forever, and his right to control your water supply, electricity, food, and movement

Then to add the icing on the cake, of course, you are not supposed to moan or mention your pain over the past sixty years

You must only be grateful, that the murderer thief would humble himself and talk to you

I am intrigued to find out what would YOU do if you were in that situation?

Would you accept sharing your house with the thief and live in the basement?


If you say you do, I would like to see you openly inviting some zionists who settled in my stolen farm to come to yours and share it with you, and if they come fully armed I hope you don’t mind, and that you accept them graciously


If all the Quakers and those who condemn the desperate Palestinians for their extreme reactions to extreme situations would live by their word and do exactly what they want the Palestinians to do; i.e. offer their homes to the zionists, that would be a breakthrough


All we need is a few millions to do this ultimate act of sacrifice by being a living archetype, in fact that could be a vital approach to a peaceful solution and a good lesson to us all


We humans find it easy to moralise and pass judgements, but much harder to live by what we preach

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

PART ONE

Some Thoughts on Resistance

I have befriended and cooperated with many Quakers over the years, and I deeply admire their commitment to peace, and the time and efforts that they give towards achieving this goal

However, there is a fundamental issue that tends to be overlooked, oversimplified and ignored by those lovely, compassionate and peace-loving people; when they talk about the problem of Palestine, they are inclined to blame and condemn both sides equally; i.e they equate the immoral actions of the criminal with the understandable reactions of the victim


Equating the instinctive response of the oppressed -who have been massacred, humiliated and dehumanized day in and day out for generations-, with the aggressive and brutal acts of the oppressor is a severe deviation from justice am afraid

Morally speaking: how -for the love of God- could we condemn those who are being slaughtered when they try to push their butchers away?


Some times the only way to sincerely help a criminal is by stopping him/ her from committing more crimes.

There is nothing more helpful or supportive to the tyrant criminals than teaching the man who has been constantly crushed and incessantly raped, victimized and butchered not to defend himself


We can not possibly equate the violent assault of oppressor with the self-protection of oppressed

The ACTION of AGGRESSION and OPPRESSION is NOT the same as the REACTION of SELF-PRESERVATION

To teach otherwise and to condemn equally both the oppressor and the oppressed is not upholding well with ethics and morality To measure the two actions with the same yardstick and to condemn equally both the oppressor and the oppressed does not uphold well with ethics and morality nor with human or Divine laws

God looks with tenderness, love, forgiveness and compassion at those who are severely abused, brutalized, oppressed exploited and browbeaten, so much so that they are forced to react


“Beware of the plea of the oppressed, for he asks God most high only for his due, and God does not keep one who has a right from receiving what is due.” A saying of Muhammed peace be upon him

Our disapproval and condemnation must be focused on those who initiate aggression, oppress nations, and commit genocide.

The permeation to defend oneself (but NEVER to initiate aggression) is given to those who suffer the risk of annihilation and extermination by the One who created them

Who am I to deny those who are burning under tonnes of blazing missiles, that basic human right?

Who am I to judge their re-actions or intentions, as they tremble under the explosions of bombs?

Who am I to moralise with them as they pick up the limbs of their babies and loved ones?

To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight back), because they are wronged; and verily, God is most powerful for their aid; Qur’an (22:39-40)

Did we not know that

A man

With a knif

Against his throat

Has the right

To push His butcher

Away!!

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By janet E Marsh, January 1, 2009 at 5:31 am Link to this comment
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I could not have said it better myself.  We are party to murder of the Palestinians.
I have been trying to tell this to all of my friend, but, to no avail, they don’t care.
They will care come time of the Judgement.
  And, I must say, some of you people make me sick.  Telling and acting like the Israelis have a right to Palestine.  What would you do if some group of people came into your part of the county and took it over and started to killing you and yours?  Yeah, I bet you would stand for it!
  For the proof that the Israelis are not, I repeat are Not the Israelis of the Bible.
All one needs to do is research history which I have done.  Kindly read the book
“The Thirteenth Tribe”  by Arthur Koestler.  He is a jew and tells it all.  If you are too lazy to buy the book and look it up, email me and I will forward the book that is online and you can see for your self the truth.
God help those poor people because no one not even their own will help them.
Millions of Arabs and they stand for the extermination of their own kind.
Sickening, isn’t it?  janet

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

Please send messages in support of the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and your concern for civilians in Gaza to Israeli government officials:

Shimon Peres: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

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By nahida, January 1, 2009 at 2:56 am Link to this comment

Dear fatimatalk,

please join us at the Palestinian Mothers Website http://palestinian.ning.com/, it’s a lovely home for all lovers of Palestine

All supporters, ONLY supporters, of Palestine are welcome

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By fatimatalk, January 1, 2009 at 1:32 am Link to this comment

http://www.fatimatalk.com

Pictures of Gaza Massacre
Just a Glimpse!
Warning .. you might just loose your appetite! Sorry!

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By fatimatalk, January 1, 2009 at 12:58 am Link to this comment

It has been a very long time since I’ve visited truthdig, I guess the recent crisis has everyone looking around for some TRUTH.

American foreign policy never changes, even if the faces do.

400 martyrs, and 2000 wounded, it’s so overwhelming I can hardly breathe. The Arab and Muslim nations are in rage, while their leaders sleep over piles of useless words.

People look at the children cut into pieces “human shawarma”!! I want the whole world to see what has become of our children, our women, our men! Hell to peace, no one want peace with Israel, we are more than sure that it is just Israel’s strategy of buying time for its terrorist state.

Tel Aviv is Palestinian
Jerusalem is Palestinian
Acre is Palestinian
Haifa is Palestinian

Believe me until the Palestinian refugees rightfully return to their land this will NEVER end.,, Why I say this?Because I am one of those refugees, we were born in exile and although we havent seen our country,, our only dream is to return to our country.. free and standing proud.

Israel will pay a heavy price, it’s very existence. One thing they should be sure of, Arabs never forget their spilt blood. I swear they will pay the price for every drop of blood and every tear our children have spilt.

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By Rontruth, January 1, 2009 at 12:11 am Link to this comment

Either:
A. Have the UN Permanent Security Council put into place, immediately, a combined British and French “peace- keeping” force such as was done when the UN told France, “You shall put 2,000 of the best French troops on the border between Israel and Lebanon.” The French only wanted to put 200 in. It is very effective. Neither Israel nor Lebanon want to do anything stupid that upset the French, who when provoked in the 1980s by Khaddafi of Libya, pounded the crap out of Libya for invading the former French territory of Chad. Or,

Give them both (Israel and Gaza Palestinian territory) about two weeks to not only end the fighting, but create a framework for peace, or sufficient British and French forces will be sent in to attack both in order to enforce a peace that neither Israel, whose southern populations have put pressure on the Israeli government to let Jews live in Gaza once again. I don’t mean attack them to decimate, but just enough to show both sides that they must grow up as modern countries.

And Palestine must be allowed to develop it’s own military, with the usual weaponry, if necessary to come from France and Great Britain, such that Israel and the other Arab nations that thumb their noses at the Palestinian people, will stop doing so. The world, it appears, only respects force capacity.

What usually happens when nations develop their own defenses, is they do like the western countries do. They develop a sense of pride in their independence, and from that comes a sense of responsibility to only use one’s military when it is necessary.

The US in the last eight years has shown the world that the idea just mentioned above, doesn’t always hold true. It does most of the time, however.

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By Dennis Byrnes, December 31, 2008 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment
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Your article about Israel the villian is just mre anti-semitic nonsense that the world enjoys hearing.
The media marches out stock file photo’s of Palestinian woman with dead children although first reports from Hammas told otherwise.
Israel has allowed Hammas to lob rockets from Gaza into Israeli for weeks without retaliation.  Isdrael has warned Hammas repeatedly to no avail.  Now the warnings are over and it is time for waiting to end.
Hammas has the intersting practice of setting up military strongholds within civilian neiborhoods thus accounting for excessive loss of civilian life.
Hamas has continued to NOT waiver from their stand of comple annilihation of the Jewish State and all Jews from the planet.  These are people you would have a democratic state negotiate with?

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By Mateo, December 31, 2008 at 10:37 pm Link to this comment
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who think that Israel simply kicked out the Palestinians to form a religious themed country, please folks, before spouting do your homework/research on the subject.  That land was PURCHASED!  Oh, and the blame goes to the UK if anyone for this mess.  The US did more to steel the land they stand on than Israel did.  I’m not Jewish, hell I’m not even religious, but I know the facts, and I know my HISTORY.  Please people, do your homework before spouting off!

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By Shift, December 31, 2008 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

An interesting read at http://www.counterpunch.org/honderich12312008.html  distinguishes between Zionism and neo-Zionism.

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By Fadel Abdallah, December 31, 2008 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

The following link is a New Year’s gift to humanity courtesy of Israeli terrorism and the U.S. weapons of mass destruction! Towards the end you might see some pictures of the so-called Palestinian “Kassam” rockets and make your own study in comparing and contrasting!

Warning! If you’re weak-hearted some pictures in the following link might not be suitable for you!

http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other- side-of-the-story

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By troublesum, December 31, 2008 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

Tony W
My point is that we do not hear about this in the msm, while on the other hand we hear the constant refrain that Hamas has said it would like to expel all Israelis from the ME.  This is then used as an excuse for assaulting Gaza.

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By adrienrain, December 31, 2008 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment

Israel was created on land already home to the Palestinians. And the Palestinians were expelled - sometimes slaughtered en masse. That is bound to leave a bitter taste, and so it has. It is natural, though lamentable, that some Palestinians think Israel shouldn’t exist on what they remember as their land.

2000 years ago, it was a different story, and thousands of years before that, the Old Testament tells how god gave the Israelites land that was already home to Medianites, Canaanites, Philistines (which is what the Egyptians still call the Palestinians), and others. It’s a particularly brutal chapter, too, in which Moses tells the soldiers not to leave any of the women alive, and to dash the brains of the infants out against stones. In some cases, the soldiers might keep a ‘damsel or two’ (virgin of course) for their own unspecified purposes.

These vicious books, written before anyone ever conceived of dealing in fairness with other peoples, may be a huge part of the problem - but try and tell that to the avid religionists.

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By Tony Wicher, December 31, 2008 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

By Chris, December 31 at 9:19 am #
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What is interesting and disturbing in watching these events unfold is the unity with which political leaders in the United States once again offer their support for Israel.  You can get the same types of comments from so-called “liberal” members of Congress such as Nancy Pelosi that you would get from staunch members of the political right.
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Sad but true. Take the Rachel Maddow show, which represents the leftmost position currently allowed the the MSM. Maddow absolutely despises the Bush administration, thinks they should all be tried for treason and war crimes. But when it comes to Israel/Palestine, she just follows the Israel/Bush Administration line right along with the rest of them. All we hear is the official line. Nowhere is a Palestinian voice to be heard, however reasonable and moderate.

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By Tony Wicher, December 31, 2008 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

By troublesum, December 31 at 2:32 pm #

Netanyahu’s nephew on democracynow this morning: “If you go to Israel you will hear a lot of Israeli’s saying that they would like to wipe all Palestinians off the face of the earth.”  http://www.democracynow.org
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This is nothing new. Unfortunately, if you go to the West Bank and Gaza you will find an equal number of Palestinians saying they would like to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

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By Ted Swart, December 31, 2008 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

Thank you watchdog2u.  You are so right. “in the end religion will kill us all” with its rival “fairy tales”.

And thank you Nahida for the gruesome pictures. We do not get to see many pictures like that. Clearly holocausts never stopped with the Nazis.

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By troublesum, December 31, 2008 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

Thank you Nahida for showing us what the media refer to as “rockets” being fired by Hamas into Israel.  This is the first time I have seen them.  I was beginning to think they were something like what the US launches from the national space center when they send a space craft to Mars.

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By J in Los Angeles, December 31, 2008 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment
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Quit invoking God and Allah people.  This is a human problem not God’s problem, although Gods may be a problem.  Palestinians are the victims of their own people (Hamas) who they need to bring under control.  They cannot continue to sympathize with militants who worsen their condition.  If they were to negotiate in good faith with Israel and stop their attacks, they would open a window for diplomacy.  They must be civilized. 

Also, the Palestinians must become realistic about land—frankly, the loser is war is just that, and the spoils go to the victor.  Mexico does not wage war against the US demanding the Southwestern United States back.

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By Tim, December 31, 2008 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment
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Let’s take a moment and look back to when this all began,
“Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you shall be divided;
the one shall be stronger than the other, the older shall serve the younger.”

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By troublesum, December 31, 2008 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

Netanyahu’s nephew on democracynow this morning: “If you go to Israel you will hear a lot of Israeli’s saying that they would like to wipe all Palestinians off the face of the earth.”  http://www.democracynow.org

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By nahida, December 31, 2008 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

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We have heard the Palestinian side of the story;
but we need to hear the other side of the story, don’t we?

http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story

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By Watchdog2u, December 31, 2008 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

The World is divided into armed camps ready to commit genocide just because we can’t agree on whose
fairy tales to believe.
In the end, Religion will kill us all.
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“NATURALLY, THE COMMON PEOPLE DON’T WANT WAR, BUT
THEY CAN ALWAYS BE BROUGHT TO THE BIDDING OF THE LEADERS. TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED AND DENOUNCE THE PACIFISTS FOR LACK OF PATRIOTISM AND
ENDANGERING THE COUNTRY. IT WORKS THE SAME IN EVERY
COUNTRY.”
- Herman Goring
Hitler’s Reichsmarschall
At The Nuremberg Trials

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A DIFFERENT DAY….SAME OLD SONG!
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God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by God to save Germany.
—Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler

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By adrienrain, December 31, 2008 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

The sanctions didn’t begin with the ending of the ceasefire by Hamas, you know. The agony has been going on for some time. And I still say, that Israel will keep the people of the West Bank and Gaza impoverished and besieged as long as there are any Palestinians in them. It will end when Israel has possession of all of it.

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By Arius, December 31, 2008 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

Endless tunnels between Egypt and Palestine since 1982

A bit amazing to me they have an endless supply of rockets and materials to make rockets, but not enough food and medical supplies-

http://www.weaponsurvey.com/tunnels.htm

Tunnels to Egypt Keep Hamas in Business
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,570463,00.html

“One year after assuming total power over the Gaza Strip, Hamas is stronger then ever. Its weapons caches are overflowing and its control over daily life is secure. The Islamists can go about their business largely thanks to the supplies that get in via the tunnels connecting Gaza to Egypt.”

Hamas exploits boom in Gaza smuggling tunnels

Hamas is receiving a steady revenue licensing illicit tunnels in Gaza’s south to smugglers and business people who are importing fuel and other items from Egypt to meet shortages created by Israel’s blockade of the Palestinian territory.

Hundreds of tents covering entrances to tunnels - big enough to transport through everything from cows to industrial-size air-conditioners - have mushroomed along Gaza’s border with Egypt.

Many tunnels are also rigged with plastic pipes, siphoning Egypt’s heavily subsidised fuel into Gaza where drivers have had to resort to running their cars on cooking oil because Israel cut petrol, diesel and gas supplies to a bare minimum.

One fuel station operator, who did not want to be named, said that in the first 19 days of October he imported 313,000 litres (68,860 gallons) of diesel and 161,500 litres of petrol through the tunnels.

“Every day I send my truck to [the border town of] Rafah,” he said, adding that he was earning 3.5 shekels (55p) on every litre of Egyptian fuel compared with half a shekel on same amount of Israeli fuel.

Israel imposed the blockade to weaken Hamas’s control of Gaza after the Islamist group ousted their more secular rival, Fatah, 15 months ago. While the siege has brought the territory’s economy to a halt, it has done little to weaken Hamas, which has cashed in on the tunnels’ business.

Smuggling has become a lucrative and entrenched part of the economy. Omar Shaban, a Gaza economist, estimates that smuggling comprises about 90% of market activity in the territory and is worth around $30m (£18m) to $40m a month.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/22/hamas-gaza-tunnels-smuggling-egypt

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By Arius, December 31, 2008 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

Israel opens Gaza border for humanitarian aid

“JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel reopened its border with Gaza on Friday to allow deliveries of humanitarian aid, despite continued rocket and mortar fire from the coastal strip and growing expectations of a large-scale Israeli military campaign against Palestinian militants.

The military said approximately 90 trucks would deliver medicine, fuel, cooking gas and other vital goods into Gaza. The shipment includes a large donation of goods from Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s wife as well as more than 150,000 gallons (400,000 liters) of fuel and 200 tons (180 metric tons) of natural gas, the military said.”

““We are sending them a message that the Hamas leadership has turned them into a punching bag for everyone,” he told Israel Radio. “It is a leadership that has turned school yards in rocket launching pads. This a leadership that does not care that the blood of its people will run in the streets.”

The deliveries did not persuade Gaza militants to halt their rocket and mortar fire on Israeli border communities. The military said more than 10 rockets and mortars were fired toward Israel early Friday. One home was struck but no injuries were reported.

Israel had originally agreed to open the cargo crossings with Gaza on Wednesday, but shut the passages after militants began pounding southern Israel with dozens of rockets and mortars.”

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD95AEA500

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By Arius, December 31, 2008 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

Well you have a one sighted view on the topic, Chris Hedges!  and that’s pretty typical for liberals, I say this with embarrassment since I am a liberal.

Let’s look at the facts but FIRST let’s assess something please: did any US media EVER show any pics of the bodies we blew to bits of innocent Iraqi’s and their children? anywhere in our media?

the answer is no.

Now let’s move on to the truth about the one sided views-

Feb 2008

“In June, Hamas seized control of Gaza from forces loyal to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah Party, forcing Fatah to consolidate its leadership in the West Bank. Hamas is considered a terror organization by the United States; Abbas is considered an ally.”

“...Sderot residents in Israel, demanding military action began protesting in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv after doctors had to amputate the leg of 8-year-old Osher Tuito following injuries the boy sustained in a rocket attack.”

“Militants have lobbed thousands of rockets from Gaza into Israel since Israel withdrew its troops and settlements from the region in 2005,...”

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/17/mideast/index.html

Propaganda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL1ClZgtoeI

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/266912/palestinian_propaganda_video/

http://www.aish.com/movies/aishfiles/PhotoFraud.asp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUjPpdglxvE&feature=related

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024093.php

2007 Hamas breaks cease fire with Fatah

Tel Aviv/Gaza City - For the first time since a ceasefire was declared three weeks ago by rival Palestinian factions Hamas and Fatah, there has been a fresh death in intra-Palestinian violence in the Gaza Strip, Israeli radio reported Thursday.

A member of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah organization was killed Thursday in an exchange of gunfire with members of the radical Islamic Hamas movement, the reports said, citing Palestinian sources.

Five people were injured in the fighting, the report said.

With Egypt mediating between them, Hamas and Fatah agreed to a ceasefire on May 19.

In the week preceding the agreement, more than 50 Palestinians were killed in fighting between the two groups.

June 24, 2008 - “Rocket Attacks Threaten ME Truce”
“Palestinian militants fired three homemade rockets into southern Israel on Tuesday, threatening to unravel a fresh cease-fire”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,370701,00.html

2006

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=6115

2006-  A PERFECT EXAMPLE of the complicated problems that exist between Palestine and Israel, and the Pal lies that blame Israel for deaths- an excellent example and must read-
http://www.jewishjournal.com/world/article/ceasefire_tottering_20060616/

2006- “Palestinian fighters had been firing rockets into southern Israel daily in what they say is a response to Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip.

Israel withdrew troops from the territory last year but resumed ground operations there in June after fighters from Gaza tunnelled across the border and captured an Israeli soldier, who is still being held.”

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2006/11/200852513223979114.html

Nov 2008

Israel “broke cease fire” (so they claim) and took out a tunnel and 6 militants-

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By Arius, December 31, 2008 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

and-


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — A crude rocket fired by Palestinian militants fell short of its target in Israel on Friday, striking a house in the northern Gaza Strip and killing two schoolgirls.

The attack came as Israel sent mixed signals over its plans to respond to continuing Palestinian rocket fire. Israeli defense officials say politicians have approved a large-scale incursion into the territory once rainy conditions clear. But at the same time, Israel appeared receptive to international pressure against an invasion, opening the Gaza border Friday to allow in deliveries of humanitarian aid.

None of Gaza’s militant factions claimed responsibility for the deadly attack on the house in Beit Lahiya. Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moiaya Hassanain said the two victims, ages 5 and 12, were cousins. Three other children were wounded, he said
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8149006&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1


Palestinian Rockets Fly Deep into Israel
- Nov 2008

“Hamas militants bombarded a major southern Israeli city with rocket fire on Friday, unleashing their most powerful weapons yet in a week of tit-for-tat fighting that threatens to destroy a five-month-old cease-fire.
Both Israel and Gaza’s Hamas rulers held out hope the calm would be restored, and Israeli leaders late Friday decided against any immediate major military action. But the sides also vowed to strike hard at each other if violence persisted.

“If you want to leave the truce, we are ready. And if you want to continue it, then abide by it,” said Hamas strongman Mahmoud Zahar said in a Friday sermon.

The Egyptian-mediated truce took effect last June, largely halting a cycle of Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israel and deadly Israel reprisals.

The cease-fire has mostly held, but began to deteriorate last week after an Israeli military raid on what the army said was a tunnel that militants planned to use for a cross-border raid. Eleven militants have been killed, and some 140 rockets and mortars have been fired from Gaza at Israel”

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By adrienrain, December 31, 2008 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

It is politic to assume that Israel is ‘inadvertently’ breeding the ‘next generation of terrorists.’

I think Israeli leaders are doing it on purpose. If they can keep the Palestinians impoverished, hungry, and weak for many generations, they will get ALL of their land eventually. It will take generations, maybe centuries, but it will work.

It’s a harsh judgement, but the idea of ridding Palestine of all Palestinians is openly endorsed by many of the settlers, and no matter how strongly Israeli leaders would deny it if asked, the wall is all on Palestinian land, excluding the Palestinians from land on their own side of the green line. The sections of the wall are not built in place, they are moved on with heavy equipment, and they can probably be moved again. Does anyone think that they will be moved back to the green line? And the Gazans - Sharon once referred to them as ‘cockroaches in a bottle’ - are easily starved and weakened, their resistance can only ever be token, compared to what is possible with Israel’s military resources.

And to the person who pointed out that there is a supply route between Pal. and Egypt - those tunnels were illegal and they’ve been thoroughly destroyed in this bombing campaign. Hamas WAS observing a ceasefire, but the sanctions weren’t lifted - and Gaza is not granted any particular autonomy.  Israel refuses to treat with them, ceasefire or no.  Why should they tie their own hands?

If all of the Palestinians in Gaza were killed in this bombing campaign, America and Europe might object - so it will be done only by degrees. But it will be done. And the US will provide the weapons, and say what a shame it is that the Palestinians can’t come to terms with their lifelong imprisonment.

Only a change of heart in Israel would reverse this slow ethnic cleansing. I don’t think it’s going to happen.

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By omniadeo, December 31, 2008 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

Chris,

Thank you. You make one of the most important observations on this situation from a US point of view: There is no real debate about US foreign policy visa vis Israel in the US.

We are one nation under Israel, with liberty and justice for those who toe the line.

As Hilary Clinton’s adviser put it in a debate where Obama’s questioned the wisdom of Likud policies: “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel.”

Obama never argued back on this crucial point. Soon he was at AIPAC promising that he too would toe the line.

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By boredwell, December 31, 2008 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

Israel’s current rash of totalarian measures (embargo, bombings, blockade et al) are a conumdrum that slap paradox in the face. Gaza is for all intents and purposes a ghetto, it’s citizens treated as captive criminals; punished for their very existence, they are conceived, by their ethnicity and religion, to be a threat to the state of Israel. Persecution and prejudice are Israel’s answer to the Palestinian will to survive. The David vs Goliath parallel is invoked though Israel would like the world to believe that it is David and Hamas, Goliath. Nothing could be farther from that falteringly, perverted PR spin. Ghettos have a tendency to rise up sometimes with, though often without, success. Israel’s hubris is its overreaching antipathy, refusal to abide by UN Security Council warnings, and the election of hawks to roost and rule with an iron claws. To bring Israel to task means cutting its purse strings. It’s that simple.

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By Chris, December 31, 2008 at 10:19 am Link to this comment
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What is interesting and disturbing in watching these events unfold is the unity with which political leaders in the United States once again offer their support for Israel.  You can get the same types of comments from so-called “liberal” members of Congress such as Nancy Pelosi that you would get from staunch members of the political right.

This sentiment and unified voice gets amplified by the coverage in the corporate media with misleading stories and too often conveniently leaving out fact that Israel was denying supplies and medicine to Gaza via the blockade.  It is during situations like these where it is once again shown that independent reporters and news sources are a must if you wish to get accurate accounts of what is happening.

Chris
http://chriscommons.blogspot.com

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