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Hell to Pay

Posted on Oct 30, 2008
AP photo / Carolyn Kaster

Republican presidential candidate John McCain waits as he is introduced at a rally in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

By Elliot D. Cohen

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Defense Research and Development

PNAC: build new kinds of conventional forces for different strategic challenges and a new technological environment.

Bush: “The real goal is to move beyond marginal improvements—to replace existing programs with new technologies and strategies.”

It is obvious that the economy, health care, education and social services would be sacrificed in order to finance the research and development of such high-tech weaponry under a Bush/PNAC plan. An administration that placed a premium on defense R&D, as McCain’s commitment to the PNAC ideology requires, could not realistically address these other concerns. Indeed, the thrust of the PNAC plan has been toward vastly increased R&D defense spending:


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PNAC:  “… increase defense spending gradually to a minimum level of 3.5 to 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, adding $15 billion to $20 billion to total defense spending annually.”

Bush: “The transformation of our military will require a new and greater emphasis on research and development. So I will also commit an additional $20 billion to defense R&D between the time I take office and 2006.”

As you can see, Bush’s figure of a $20-billion increase in R&D did not come out of thin air. It is the high end of the figure that PNAC had recommended in its 2000 “RAD.” In fact, according to the Department of Defense, between 2001 and 2004 Bush “steadfastly increased R&D investments” from $41.1 billion to $64.3 billion, an increase of $23.2 billion, “in order to skip a generation of weapons and transform the military into the 21st Century fighting force it must become.”

Using a “New Pearl Harbor” to Propel the PNAC/Bush Plan

In a post-9/11 world where fear of another attack on the U.S. homeland had reached concert pitch, PNAC/Bush was able to exploit the situation to attain the massive increases in defense spending. Bush appears to have been aware of this “homeland” advantage in 1999 before he took office and two years before the tragic attacks took place. And in 2000, one year before the attacks, PNAC lucidly conjectured about the utility of such an attack as a “catalyst” for financing its transformative objective:

PNAC:  “… the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”

Bush:  “Not since the years before Pearl Harbor has our investment in national defense been so low as a percentage of GNP.”

Fighting Multiple Simultaneous Preemptive Wars

On the surface, the PNAC/Bush case for a massive increase in defense R&D can be made on the grounds that it is needed to defend the U.S. homeland from terrorist attacks. However, when seen in the broader context of the PNAC/Bush objective of maintaining the geopolitical pre-eminence of the U.S., this concern becomes only a corollary. It is a truism that we would be safer if we could defend ourselves more effectively; however, the PNAC/Bush mission was never purely defensive; it was and is essentially offensive—to threaten and if necessary militaristically defeat any potential competitors for the title of pre-eminent world power. Indeed, advancing U.S. economic (oil) interests in the Persian Gulf, not defending our turf from a terrorist attack, appears to have been the real reason for the PNAC/Bush invasion of Iraq and its present preoccupation with Iran: 

PNAC: “Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has.”

Bush: “Iran has made rapid strides in its missile program, and Iraq persists in a race to do the same.”

While PNAC was more upfront than Bush about U.S. economic interests in the Gulf as the main motive for establishing permanent bases there, the targeting of Iran and Iraq is clearly part of the geopolitical play for power that PNAC/Bush envisioned all along. Notice that the PNAC/Bush plan had Iraq in its scope well before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The 2000 “RAD” did not mince words about this. “While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification,” it stated, “the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.”

PNAC/Bush Brigade Cannot Afford to Lose Power in Midstream

PNAC: “Over the first seven years of the Clinton administration, approximately $426 billion in defense investments have been deferred, creating a weapons procurement ‘bow wave’ of immense proportions.”

Bush: “The last seven years have been wasted in inertia and idle talk. Now we must shape the future with new concepts, new strategies, new resolve.”

It is obvious that the PNAC/Bush administration does not want to hand over power to an administration that does not share its ideology. How far it will go to stop an Obama administration from coming to fruition remains to be seen, but clearly it is strongly motivated and has already gone too far to graciously bow out.

The situation is therefore a precarious one. Logistically, the PNAC/Bush brigade’s “plan A” is undoubtedly for McCain to be elected. Just how he is “elected” may be less important than whether he is. For example, widespread election fraud such as inserting malicious code into voting machines in battleground states, throwing out ballots, “caging” and other illegal election practices may be sufficient to tip the vote tally in favor of McCain. Such actions aren’t unlikely given the high stakes and the irregularities that occurred in the past two presidential elections. 

But what will happen if McCain loses?

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By KDelphi, November 3, 2008 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

MAR—I’m in Ohio (your sympathies are very much appreciated…thank you—in lieu of flowers, send donations to wsws—World Socialsit Web Site)“Saying all the right words” does not, unfortunately , translate into doing all the right things. It may—gawd I hope so!

I know one thing—-he sure is scaring the horse pee out of alot of neo-cons and racists! It has really made me aware of how many theer are around me! I guess I was in denial.

Maybe they never felt free to talk about it before.But, as I discuss the election with some (not all, by far! It is a minority!), I “stand amazed”. My neighbors do not SEEM to be typical redneck fools, but the “non-whites” (excuse the phrase)here, just hear it and ignore it?! When I speak up, they act tense. The ninorities here just wont talk about it—are they afraid? How depressing…

Even more of it is about “communism”!

I am disheartened by it,. But, even though everyone knows I have my criticism of Obama—if he is terrifying rich people he must be doing somethiong right!

MAR—I hope so fervenlty that you are correct..

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By TAO Walker, November 3, 2008 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

The apparatus of “global” gangsterism described in the article and many coments here can only DO what it IS….and there is no “OFF” switch.  It runs on fear, all the while producing a seemingly limitless supply of its own “fuel.”

As some have suggested here, it is designed and built to “handle” resistance….even to “convert” resistance to its own uses. In fact, the damned contraption really can’t operate without resistance.  It goes into heterodyning self-destruct mode when ALL resistance disappears….as the Natural Law guarantees it sooner-or-later must, if only when all possible resistors get burned-out one way or another.  So the thing is doomed….by its very nature.

To those who would, in service to our living Mother Earth and Life Herownself, hasten the moment of its collapse and disintegration, this old Savage recommends turning our precious attention completely away from the machinery of terror and the fools who delude their own “selves” and one anothers’ into thinking they are “in-control-of” and “stand to profit-by” its operations.  They must “....reap the whirlwind.”

People who, rather, get together to help each other and “....protect the altar of the Earth,” will have taken The Way, the Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself, through the Great Ceremony of Purification that is even now taking place here.  We ARE going into the Hopis’ Fifth World.  Better to dive right into it ALL at-once, head-first, with eyes wide-open, “....laughing all The Way!”


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By cyrena, November 3, 2008 at 12:21 am Link to this comment

MAR writes:

•  “I like your comment about the internet. Once doen’t have to visit the libraries very often.  Unfortunately, some posters have acquired a habit of referring to material on the web which is specious. My postgraduate days taught me to be very critical about sources but that is sometimes difficult when reviewing unattributed posts.”


I think you nailed it here MAR, on the balance to the advantage of the Internet. This is a topic of frequent discussion with some of my friends/family/colleagues, and I’ve mentioned it on this board as well.

I think we should ALL be very critical about sources, and I’m SO admittedly obsessed with that now, (more than in my younger days, though I was skeptical then) that I’ve long ago dismissed unattributed posts.

BUT…after ‘dismissing’ this stuff from being obvious propaganda that is never backed up with ANYTHING, (even BAD sources) I began to understand that people will believe the stuff anyway. At that point, I began to challenge some of the more ridiculous stuff.

I can’t bother with all of them, but from time to time it makes sense to point out just how such ignorance and/or crazed ideology has cost us ALL so much.

Examples of the specious material are everywhere, but it can’t all be attributed to a lack of knowledge or intelligence. The article here that Outraged refers to by Bruce Fein is a perfect example. The guy is supposed to be a scholar, and he’s a fellow at some institution that generally does good work, yet he’s written a piece here comparing the Judicial viewpoints and ideologies of both candidates as being the same. It’s as cynical as McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin as a running mate.

It’s also clearly obvious that he either hasn’t done the proper research, (because he doesn’t back up anything that he’s saying) or he’s an ideologue. In some circumstances, I might think that his specious analysis might be an honest mistake, or that some people (like Outraged) may have simply misinterpreted what he was saying. But, I read the piece myself, and was totally flabbergasted by such a blatant display of intellectual disingenuousness.

In short, if ANY Candidate (out of the whole flippin’ caboodle that started this thing off) is turned-in to the critical composition of the Supreme Court, it is clearly Barack Obama. He didn’t study and then teach Constitutional Law with an emphasis on Civil Rights to NOT be very passionately devoted to the composition of the High Court, and how critical it is to us at this point, knowing full well that we are sitting on a razors edge in terms of the USSC.  And, he’s mentioned it literally dozens of times. (I noted a few sources in my other post, but there are dozens). And yes, the ENTIRE World is paying close attention to that as well.
So, that’s just one example of how not only us ordinary posters, but ‘featured experts’ can be so very far off the mark, make specious claims, and do it all without backing anything up, and have ordinary people fall for it.

That’s where the Internet becomes the double edged sword. It can be utilized in the same way, with different results.

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By MAR, November 2, 2008 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

I listened to Obama on TV this evening - from Ohio.  As far as I, a foreigner, am concerned, he seems to be saying all the right words.

McCain gives me the chills.

It’s not just the Us that is interested, the whole world is, and we who are the mouse under the elephant’s bulk are most interested.

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By Nannie, November 2, 2008 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

” What did you learn today?
Did you learn how to believe? or…Did you learn how to think?”
~ Seventeen Traditions ~ by Ralph Nader


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By Nannie, November 2, 2008 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

Ralph Nader is a Champion.

Always has been for the people.

He never holds back. He tells it like it is.

An American Hero. A excellant Public Citizen.

A toast to Ralph. Long may he live in hearts and minds.

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By KDelphi, November 2, 2008 at 9:59 am Link to this comment

Nannie!  Hey! I miss you guys!

Actually, I am going to “try” to get back on today—-

They BANNED my ISP number! Not just my email, etc. I tried another email box—nope. I unplugged my modem—nope. I tried to “tunnel in” (lol!—at this point, it was more out of anger!), but, my pc didnt accept the “proxy” account.

I was not even allowed to click on posts from other chat rooms that REFERRED to CD!! It is true! I asked my brother in law , and I sent them a couple emails about it—its been 3 weeks, I think!

With their 501 status, they should NOT be able to ban me from reading the aricles—they have an “educational mandate”! And, directly advocating for one candidate, on a one-on-one basis (emails, or entering a thread to argue) is really pushing it.

I think that it was that “one guy” (cant think of name he used) who kept explaining why he didnt really want the govt involved in health care. When i listed every country in the world that has single payer? (Did you guys even see that one? I listed them without spaces, so it wqasnt that long) I think that I “got on his nerves”. After a couple of days (I could not go back and check my posts to see what teh “offense” was), it became a matter of principle—I’m serious! I hate the idea of “progressives” acting like neo-cons!

I do not know if that is why they let me back in to read the articles, and I stil dont know if i can post—I’m afraid to try! LOL

It really shocked and angered me. That is NO way to build a concensus. If Obama knew of some of this—I dont think he woudl approve! (He has NO time now for this stuff—but, remember FISA? Even though he voted the wrong way on it, in my opinion?) At least he let us discuss it on this site! Apparently CD thinks it knows better. There are actually “banned from CD” websites springing up!

I wil TRY to get back in. I wouldve filed a complaint, but, I AM a progessive, and do agree with their stances on MOST things. I thought I should at least wait until after the election!

What do you think—let me go try!

I am in!! lol…thanks to all my friends! LOL! And OTHERS…the whole lot of others!!But I think that, as “progressive thinkers” , we can all agree that all have a right to free speech. That should never be in question. We need it now more than ever!

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By Outraged, November 2, 2008 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

Re: Nannie

Your comment: “Nader said.“Obama doesn’t represent real change”

I agree with Nader, he is spot on.  A good example would be Bruce Fein’s article here on TD, “Keeping the Supreme Court in Check”, an excerpt:

“Neither McCain nor Obama would alter the prevailing jurisprudence in the Supreme Court or in subordinate tribunals. The unfortunate result will be a judiciary that is deferential to presidential powers and law enforcement in the name of fighting international terrorism. Congress has eagerly acquiesced in its reduction to an ink blot in the Constitution’s checks and balances, and will not check or deter presidential excesses. Accordingly, the need for a robust third branch to thwart the presidency’s quest for despotic powers commensurate with an American empire is urgent.”

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By Nannie, November 2, 2008 at 6:27 am Link to this comment


Nader said.“Obama doesn’t represent real change,  This guy is the biggest con artist in our generation by far.”


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By Nannie, November 2, 2008 at 6:25 am Link to this comment

KD come back to CD ... WE need you .

Try new pseudo We will know you by your vigor..


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By KDelphi, November 2, 2008 at 12:08 am Link to this comment

Outraged—I wish I could believe that they would happen. Actually I thin k that they wil scale back what they were going to do.

I wil try to keep an open mind—but not so much that my brains fall out

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By Outraged, November 1, 2008 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment

This is certainly not the “end”, realistically it is only the beginning, hang tough, think twice “and always let your conscience be your guide”...(Jimminy Cricket)

It is blatantly obvious, at least to those who’ve been watching… that McCain is a DEFINITE “no go”.  But what of our Sen. Obama…?

Where have all the flowers gone…long time passing…where have all the flowers gone…a long time ago….(where have all the Obama “nuts” gone…mmmm…mmmm…)

LOL… well, you MUST see this video, the best yet.

Hunker down folks, STAND UP AND BE COUNTED.  You want to “hold Obama’s feet to the fire”....  Start gathering sticks my friends…, start gathering sticks…anyone who’s anyone who KNOWS how to build a GOOD FIRE, knows,.... first, you need to gather a lot of sticks (it’s easier that way), some use gasoline… but really… gasoline ignition is so easily extinguished, sometimes even by a gust of wind.  I’ve built a lot of campfires… it’s true, anyone who’s done it would qualify my premise.  (Okay…rural folks, this is where you come in… you know it, qualify it.)

As to the “health care” issue, check out this report from “Project Censored” by Peter Phillips and Bridget Thornton:

It’s forty pages…but don’t let that scare ya’, it reads like a novel…. LOL (seriously, it does!).  If you’re pressed for time, especially investigate pgs. 9-16.  But don’t miss the conclusion starting on pg. 23.  Does this sound like you or someone you know….?  Funny…ain’t it?  “It’s a small world after all…it’s a small world after all…it’s a small world after all…it’s a..small, small world”...mmmm.



BTW, “Project Censored” is an excellent site.  Their homepage:

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By MAR, November 1, 2008 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment

I am reminded of my very late father. He had no education to speak of (Grade 3) but he could read and write. And he had a steel trap mind.  In his old age he read widely what was available at the time. His political acumen was acute. He died in 1964 but had Viet Nam nailed even then.

I like your comment about the internet. Once doen’t have to visit the libraries very often.  Unfortunately, some posters have acquired a habit of referring to material on the web which is specious. My postgraduate days taught me to be very critical about sources but that is sometimes difficult when reviewing unattributed posts. 

Having served considerable time in our air force, I had a healthy respect for the value of military intelligence and its graded reliability. When Bush fed us the goods on WMD in Iraq and it turned out to be BS, it blew my mind and told me all I needed to know about Bush & Co.

Your post shows a lot of insight. My only comment is that academia often shows an ingrown evaluation unless they have “been there, done it.”

But my experience with WMD makes most of the article above believable because the facts are easily available in other contexts. Thanks for good post.

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By cyrena, November 1, 2008 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

MAR writes:

•  “I don’t know who is turned off by rigorous intellectual truth but it doesn’t have to be academic, does it.”

Nope, it doesn’t have to be academic, but that’s sort of a subjective term to attach to rigorous intellectual truth, because it describes an environment in which such pursuits take place, but it’s certainly not the ONLY environment where rigorous intellectual truth seeking does or should take place.

I have verbalized multiple times on this forum that truth doesn’t ONLY come from “The Academy” and one can certainly be well educated without interacting directly with the academy. It provides for a major resource, in multiple collections, that allows for one to tap into in order to back up all of those rigorous intellectual truths that we should pursue. Besides that, such environments also give us an opportunity to connect the dots of the immeasurable amounts of knowledge available. It’s certainly not the only way to do it, but it’s an added efficiency.

I say that because I think it helps to have experts who have in-depth knowledge of a particular topic or discipline, because there’s no way that we can ALL know even a speck of the knowledge (comparatively speaking that is) available in the universe. In fact, none of us can come close to knowing more than a tiny speck of what is an infinite measure of knowledge. And, those experts frequently (no, usually) develop their thinking skills/knowledge/expertise via the Academy.

By saying that I think it ‘helps’, I mean that the academy/academic component of any society is very crucial to the socio-economic success of any given society, and I think we can trace that very, very, very far back. Educated societies in general, lead far more productive (and longer) lives. Educated societies are far more successful in promoting and maintaining democratic forms of self-government. Clearly more successful (in this 21st Century) than we are right here, in what is supposed to be the Center of the “Free World”.

Anyway, the experts in any society make us far more efficient, if we use those sources of concentrated knowledge wisely. But, that’s not to suggest that these rigorous exercises of intellectual pursuit of truth ‘only’ take place in an academic environment. That would be a polar contradiction to what actually makes up the base of the “Intelligencia Class” of the 21st Century. At least that’s what I like to believe.

Now with this 21st Century technology, it’s even EASIER to have an educated population. (I absolutely LOVE having all of this stuff so easily accessible.) Without it, I would remain mostly in the dark, because I’m simply too lazy to go tracking this stuff down on foot, like crawling through the library and searching files, and just the old fashioned ways of the past, which is how many of us learned how to at least look for what we thought we were trying to find out.

The internet just really makes this pursuit so much easier and enjoyable.

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By MAR, November 1, 2008 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena, KDelphi

My read from afar is just that - W was a name brand puppet and the real evil lived with gthose gthat pulled the strings. I don’t know who is turned off by rigorous intellectual truth but it doesn’t have to be academic, does it. The unvarnished truth backed up by evidence and facts that anyone can access should do it. However, if a people can be charmed by religion and emotion - and good looks, perhaps those that are so afflicted deserve what they get.

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By CarolO, November 1, 2008 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

McCain runs on the slogan of “Country First” as he did in 2000 but if you check the FactChecker he stated in his book that during that election he had admitted he did not put “Country First.”  He just had this burning desire to be President, just as he does now.

He feels a sense of entitlement after being a POW and serving on the Senate all those years and it’s a thorn in his side to think a new Senator, and a black man at that, is beating him.

I will literally flip out of if wins after Obama is so far ahead.

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By ex-spook, November 1, 2008 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment
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Very good Mr Cohen,
Ok, most of you know what’s going on AND this is only the very small tip of the iceberg.

This is their plan:
There will continue to be small wars made by Elite for destruction of opposition almost everywhere on Earth, especially USA.  Military complex will take over USA to point of slavery for 99% of people, if not they plan to kill off any descent or resistance. Chinese, Russians, English and other obvious military powers/tyrants are in on the game. The wholesale killing of indigenous peoples, raping of resources, IMF style takeovers and not listening to local people’s wishes is proof of this.

If they can’t succeed in taking over FULLY their backup plan is to use those 20,000 fully operational nukes they have accumulated. NO JOKE! There are underground cities around the world in such a case for them to hide in, 139 of them in USA alone. Most of these are linked via tunnels.

All roads lead back to German ancestors and their Satanic Cult, Vatican, all 4 major religions actually, bankers etc. All elite are related to same families by blood. The rest are just paws.

What you can do: I don’t care if you haven’t the time, make the time.
Find everything you can on them and post it. Educate your neighbors. Use this Internet as you have been till it’s locked down. Afterwards use free WIFI, WIMAX [extend your range via “cantenna” or others], ham radio, local radio and any other way to keep in touch.
Study and KNOW how to use free power/energy: magnetic motors, solar, spiral blade wind power, compost methane, Pantone motors, etc., lots of DIY [do it yourself]
If you can: build home or second home outside of cities and well hidden. Preferably monolithic/geodesic covered with 10ft or more of earth and at least one big tree. Have one way in and 3 ways out. Build greenhouses in same manner. Build groups and keep in touch.
Most important! Help each other and share. Your lives will depend on it.
This is simple logic: always make a backup plan. In this case make 3 or more.
Don’t let them make silly squabbles among you or create fear. That is their greatest weapon: Divide and conquer concept.
Ask preachers to prove whatever they say. Not from their book but first hand. Never ever confess to anything. Study “sacred geometry”, that’s what they use against you.

Enjoy wink

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By Clash, November 1, 2008 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

Fortunately or unfortunately those of us that were raised in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s did not have the luxury of being protected from bully’s by the school police or politicians who have made up a law covering just about every social interaction that can take place between people. We were forced to stand up for ourselves by our society and our parents and we learned quickly nothing in this world was fair.

Exception can be taken to the to the statement that all are not capable of governing themselves as we the masses are not intelligent motivated or educated, we find this rhetoric drives the policy’s and thinking of what you all call a democracy, the large group of people who opposed the big robbery of the treasury voted on just recently by both parties presidential candidates and congress is the latest proof that all are not uninformed or ignorant.

As to violence we the human animal revel in it. Very few other creatures hurt or kill others of their species or other species for pleasure and profit. In politics violence is the trump card when negotiating with an adversary and they will not come to the point of view. I was educated in to fact in Central America when the great hero Ronny Ray gun and his pals needed money for guns in Iran. We need only look at reports from Syria as of Sunday one week ago to see what good king george has in mind for the next three months. We can also take a look at the regulations the administration are dumping concerning our environment to the benefit of rich mine owners, corporate farm owners and industrial robber barons. Analyze that.

While non violent struggle is always preferable one needs to remember that all of the United States Government agencies are not of set up to deal with dissenting points of view any other way and that their trump card is either to arrest, make a person disappear or out right murder if they think they can get away with it. They will use the police, F.B.I, national guard, black water, and yes even active duty military to get their point across. Ruby Ridge, Waco Texas, hurricane Katrina, and the Mormon compound in Texas are recent examples.

PNAC and the powerful families that rule this world will not let go for them there are no ethics or honor only objectives and goals that they will pursue at any cost. As one who was fired for speaking out against the PATRIOT ACT and king gorge’s other crimes against this country and the world I can attest to the fact that certainly I was very careful among the ignorant that surrounded me most of the time thereafter.

The constitution has for all intents and purposes been practically dismantled this was our protection against bully’s. We now have only the second amendment left to us by a celebrity supreme court judge, and when it is gone those of you that want to really find out what the definition of slavery is will get the chance.

So get out and VOTE, most likely it won’t be counted correctly, but it may be a story you can tell your grand children, you know back when you could travel without papers, and there were no armed guards at state border check points.

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By KDelphi, November 1, 2008 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

MAR—Well, at least you have a good excuse—you have a new laptop! My old pc does it all the time—I have oneof those “loud, banging ” keyboards, and , alot of times, it has just gone—“whoosh!”. Creepy! You can try to “find it” (some say ctrl—z) but, I say it is gone forever, and is probably locked up in the federal archives or something!!

I am voting for Obama. It is amazing that I stil can—I was sure he would be too tired to run, being shoved down everyone’s throat so often!Seriously, we are ONE FOR ALL glad that Bush wil be GONE! Pop a cork if you can afford it!

Warching the Capts of Industry squirm (even if it may be for naught) is just too much fun to miss!

BTW-I’m not “new”—I’m just ba-a-ack! Happy Halloween!

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By Christopher Robin, November 1, 2008 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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”...‘target’ specific genotypes” and thereby “transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.””

That line struck me cold. After these past almost eight years, I thought nothing these war mongers could do could still shock me.

I was wrong.

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By Fahrenheit 451, November 1, 2008 at 3:41 am Link to this comment

The founders of this Republic were correct.  We are not capable of self governance; never have been.  Self governance requires motivation, education, a modicum of intelligence, and the ability to gather information and analyze it with a critical eye.  When the citizens follow jingoist band wagon propaganda, followed by effective fear mongering, coupled with codified pandering to their deepest prejudices; democracy is unsustainable.
The genuine irony of all of this is; in a democracy, the people get out what they put in.

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By cyrena, November 1, 2008 at 12:04 am Link to this comment

By Big B, October 31 at 11:12 am #
One of the biggest reasons that we elected W was that he was the anti-slick willy. Clinton was thought of as an ivey league intellectual that ripped us off with one hand, while pinching interns asses with another. W was one of us, an ex drunk everyman that found jesus, and was way too dumb to rip us off! But much like Reagan, W has proven that when in the business of evil, the need for intellect is way overrated. Other than skin color, intellectualism is the biggest turn off we have about Barry.(And by we, I refer to the american “everyman”, you know the ones who don’t trust those high felootin’ college educated eggheads. Oh you want them to check your prostate and do your taxes, but you just don’t trust ‘em)
The distrust many americans have developed for intellectualism and acedemia may prove to be W’s living legacy. It’s why so many americans are enamoured with Sarah, she’s dumb as hell, and she’s proud of it!

I have to weigh in on this one BigB..especially the part about why ‘we’ elected W. Believe me, ‘WE’ didn’t elect him. However, I’ll agree that there were enough incredibly stupid people (and yeah, I guess they’re also the anti-intellectual types) who voted for him to allow two elections to be stolen.

You might also be reminded that when you claim the ‘we’ in what you say is the biggest turn off about Obama..his intellectualism, the same thing pretty much applies. In other words, just speak for yourself on that one, because I honestly think that you’re pretty damn well out-numbered in terms of how the American electorate feels about having a president (Obama) who knows what the hell the Constitution is, and how the government is structured, and is committed to the ‘we the people’ concept, as opposed to a puppet moron president who, despite his own lack of intelligence was still able to convince a whole bunch of people that they were voting for him, and not the real stealth dictator, Dick Cheney et al, who has proceeded to rule the dictatorship from behind the curtain.

In fact, I think it’s safe to say that it’s the intellectuals who are in the majority, and who are well within their rights to be THOROUGHLY PISSED OFF at the moron/anti-intellectuals that allowed this. We’re all suffering from the stupidity of the anti-intellectual group, and folks know that now.

So Sarah may be proud of being so dumb, but we aren’t about to let the morons jack this thing up again.

Besides, Sarah Palin is only dumb like a fox. I think she should be kept under surveillance for the rest of her time as a US citizen, and as far away from the seat of government as can be managed. Like Alaska.

In fact, she and her 1st Dude husband and their separatist group should be added to the US Terrorist Watch List, (or whatever it’s called) with a special brigade of US troops to help the CIA keep an eye on them, and confined to the wilderness of Alaska. (Someplace with as few living things as possible for her to kill.) Just put ‘em ALL under constant observation as the terrorists they already are, and the more dangerous they are intending to become. We should exercise the Bush Doctrine on Palin, since she doesn’t know what it is anyway.

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By MAR, October 31, 2008 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi: Twice
i have typed responses that have disappeared into thin air when I hit the wrong spot on my new laptop. I’ll have to start using word but it is too late now.
Cheers. newcomers are always welcome but I think yours is worth arguing and fighting for. And with all the imperfections, Obama seems far out in front as a better choice. I’ll be watching on the4th.

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By KDelphi, October 31, 2008 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

MAR—I wanted to compliment you on your earlier post.

However, the very foundation of our govt is SUPPOSED to be that people are allowed to disagree. The storm of supporters trying to shut down criticism of Obama is doing him NO GOOD! Believe me! He is a grown man.

It turns people off. He is winning , and he is somewhat better than Mccain. All I have to do is talk to some neo-cons to remind of that . But, everytime I talk to a neo-liberal (capitalist , “I feel your pain” liberal)and they try to tell me what I can or cannot say, and that I must be (fill in the blank). Obama allowed debate on FEMA on his website—why do all of his supporters feel the need to censor?

It is not helpful!!

Sen. Obama is not nearly as “sensitive” as his followers are protective! One of his supporters came by the other day—we talked about single payer heatlh care,
so-called socialism, and other things. He said, that, as long as I was making an informed choice, he was glad of it.I told him I had promised to vote for Obama, for a friend. It solves my dilema of how to vote—it I didnt, it would be my first time in years.

You are indeed fortunate that your ancestors went to Canada—you have a social safety net that we never wil have. I did not choose for my dad to come here—he thought it was a great opportunity. Later in life, he doubted that he had made the right decison.But, here we are.

I just think thas it is easier to advocate for someone whose policies you wil not have to live under.(I know Canada and the whole world, live under US policies, somewhat—just wait—next, it will be China) Obama is better, BUT—he is very centrist. He is NOT advocating single payer health care. He is NOT advocating pulling out of Afghanistan or even Iraq. He is NOT advocating reversing all of the Bush tax cuts. I dont want to go through the litany again.

You move down here and register to vote. I’ll move to Canada. Whaddya say?

It IS rather frightening to me, that so many people seem to think tah the world hangs on the balance of Obama’s shoulders! How could that possibly be? Think about it!

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By MAR, October 31, 2008 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

In regard to folktruther and others in respect to the untarnished fact that Obama is going to have to solve the problem im Iraq and get out out gracefully and leave some sort of sustainable structure of security and government. It is impossible to vacate the next day. And to do it properly he is going to have to have good military advice Iraq is a US show, neither NATO nor UN. Afghanistan is different - it is NATO and UN and it involves other nations so it must be done skilfully. Much of the activity in Afghanistan is supportive but those who build schools, roads, bridge, and many of those other nation soldiers are those who protect women and children, who are investing more in those activities but have military actions to defend the helpers. I don’t think we should be there to help the US since when our guys leave it will be like building a sand castle between tides. You will never know anyone was there—- UNLESS the Afghans can get there act together against the Taliban and al Quaeda.

Obama is going to have to show a real level of skill both diplomatically and militarily for either to come off and produce disentanglement.  And I surely hope the collection of neo-marxists and neo whatevers on this thread is not an exemple of the true nature of American people. You don’t have to have revolution, just vote and stand up for what you value.  The big thing is to rid yourselves of Bush and Co.

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By Outraged, October 31, 2008 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Re: KDelphi

Your comment: “outraged—It has happened to me—I’m not sure how/why peope do it—they just cross post your posts elsewhere or someone else’s using your name. Dont worry—everyone knows about it. Creepy, though, isnt it?

LOL….but…Hey, it’s Halloween. I really don’t think or have any admonition that it has anything to do with the “couple” who came by and took pictures of my house (just days ago).  Shit no.  That would make me paranoid…no?  LOL.  I think they should keep up “THEIR GOOD WORKS”... far be it from me to take anything away from their assertion that says, “My voice matters”.

How wonderful!  Hey…at least “SOMEONE’S” listening.  Remember, it’s difficult to see the sunshine when you have your head up the ass of some corporation, namely…the insurance companies.
OUCH…must be difficult….yes, life is difficult…yes…it certainly has it’s complications.

In addition, I’d like to add.  SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE.  GO AMERICA!  STAND UP America, today is your day.  YOU OWN THIS COUNTRY…. do not let that fact “slip” your mind… and without YOUR tax dollars .... the “elites” are rather…well….common.

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By KDelphi, October 31, 2008 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

floyd—Is the endorsement from “The Economist"supposed to be some kind of compliment? I would think that a progressive would take it as an insult!

outraged—It has happened to me—I’m not sure how/why peope do it—they just cross post your posts elsewhere or someone else’s using your name. Dont worry—everyone knows about it. Creepy, though, isnt it?

They were cross-posting mine—I looked , and I thought, “Well, yes, I agree with it—but its not mine!” Then, another, “Wait, this isnt relevent at all! Was i high? No,...I dont do that online…anymore”

Then they take them off.

I am not sure what is going on , but people in this neighborhood sure are tense—you can feel it!! It is strange. I suspect that they wil be relieved/disappointed when little changes. But, it is already bought and paid for , now.

In the meantime, I will enjoy watching rich people squirm—it shows where their loyalties really lie.

At least Dubya is a goner. I wish the Dems had the balls to grab some of his money on the way out!

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By Folktruther, October 31, 2008 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

Eliot Cohen does not state the obvious solution to continuing the War on Terrorism: doing so under Obama.  He has already appointed a Zionist warmonger, Biden, as his vice-president who has stated in a recent speech that Obama is going to be ‘tested’ militarily in his first six months in office.  He will do so with the Clinton retreads as militeristic advisers.

The rumor now is that he will appoint Rahm Emmanual, an old Clinton advisor as his chief of staff.  Emmanuel is a citizen of Israel as well as the US, and a strong and well known militarist.  This is a continuation of selling out progressives and sucking up to corporate and military pressures that funded him to the tune of $150 million dollars last month.

Pseudo-progressive Democrats simply do not want to see who they are putting into office.

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By Outraged, October 31, 2008 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

Whoa….another Outraged!  Only this one “unregistered”.  That’s not me folks.  Save me TD… or should I change my screen name…?

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By ieb, October 31, 2008 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment
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Somehow, following the direction of this article, the suspension of Posse Comitatus becomes more disturbing.

One has to wonder where, precisely, those 4000 military personnel have been deployed… “how” and “why” they’ll be used.


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By cyrena, October 31, 2008 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

Bingo on this Diamond..

“...In fact, I believe this is why the Republicans stole the 2000 election. They and their neo con friends knew their plans could never come to fruition under a Democrat president and they had impatiently waited 8 years for Clinton to leave office. I already know most of the information in this article and in fact I know a lot more information that is not in this article….”



Thing is, while many of us were at some point aware of all of this, or have since become aware of all of this, (we’re including the PNAC in most of our courses now - at least in History, Political Science, Law and Society, Sociology, and it fits for some Philosophy courses and obviously Current Events as well. So, we’re getting this to the forefront to the extent that we can.

Still, with all of that now far more widely recognized, there are still people who DON’T know these facts, or more importantly, HOW IT ALL CONNECTS to us winding up as this rapidly evolving police/authoritarian state.

The urgency in electing Barack Obama is situated in breaking free of this authoritarianism while we still can, before we wind up like Nazi Germany. That’s what the Dick Bush Thug Regime has brought us to the brink of, and we’ll never survive another moment of it.

And, it’s a good thing that Elliot Cohen has written such an excellent reminder at this time. Like I said, it takes a while for an entire nation to get the message. That’s what the rethugs/neocons have banked on.

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By diamond, October 31, 2008 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

ANYnameWILLDO: ‘Clinton in Iraq’? Clinton had nothing to do with the first war in Iraq. That was Georgie Porgy’s daddy. Clinton acted in Bosnia and Kosovo to stop a vicious genocide carried out by moronic fascists and he acted with the approval and the cooperation of the United Nations. American forces never invaded/occupied any part of these countries: Clinton had more sense. Completely different story. If Gore had been allowed to take office and hadn’t been the victim of electoral fraud, 9/11 would never have happened because I know perfectly well that it wasn’t carried out without the knowledge and assistance of the CIA, high ranking people in the Pentagon, the neo cons, top level people in NORAD and the Bush administration. This is a major (to say the least) policy difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. In fact, I believe this is why the Republicans stole the 2000 election. They and their neo con friends knew their plans could never come to fruition under a Democrat president and they had impatiently waited 8 years for Clinton to leave office. I already know most of the information in this article and in fact I know a lot more information that is not in this article.

When the police look at a crime and search for the perpetrators they consider many things but chiefly motive, weapon and opportunity. What Elliott Cohen is laying out here is the motive. The CIA/Pentagon also had the weapons and the opportunity. If you look at what the neo cons and their military allies are doing now in the Middle East and in Pakistan, they are carrying out hit and run attacks in Syria etc. hoping to shake something loose. They’re hoping to start another war there so that Obama will have no choice but to continue occupying Iraq and Afghanistan and to fight on a third or even a fourth front. Yes, this is how stupid and depraved they really are. In the end it’s not about national security, it’s about job security for the all the CIA and Pentagon dead enders who use tax money to make horrific weapons that can basically end life on earth and to fight wars that certainly don’t make America safe. Quite the opposite. The PNAC agenda lays their craziness bare.

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By Calibpatriot, October 31, 2008 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

I’ve heard Obama say a number of times “The powerful never like to relinquish their power and will fight that”.  I believe that he realizes that the real battle is still coming and will continue sometime after Nov 4th.  The neocons, including McCain, should keep in mind that if they lose the election and have plans to hold on to power by force that’s the type of thing that popular revolutions are made of.

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By KDelphi, October 31, 2008 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

Both parties have been entirely more hawkish than most of the US population.

People like this end up in the news because they are the exception. Most people know better than this.

I have an idea—how about a REAL Socialist Party, and then, there would be no confusion!!You know , like more tham two almost identical candidates to choose from?

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By mill, October 31, 2008 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

I’d worry a lot more about this if McCain seemed likely to win the presidency.

It’s not news that McCain is quite the hawk on foreign relations.  At least he’s not a chicken hawk, like Bush, Cheney, and many others on the extreme right wing of US politics

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By KDelphi, October 31, 2008 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

I screamed about the PFNAC in 1999. All I got from Democrats was either, “Oh there are so few of them” or “Well, its just patriotic”. Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrals,.

Hell with the Project to Kill American Century, hell with the duopoly.

Is it too much to expect results once in awhile?

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By floydw, October 31, 2008 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

The Economist endorses Obama


From the desk of John Micklethwait, Editor The Economist Magazine - 30th October 2008

Dear Reader,

Next week America will choose its next president. For all the
shortcomings of the campaign, both John McCain and Barack Obama offer
hope of national redemption. Now America has to choose between them.
The Economist does not have a vote, but if it did, it would cast it for
Mr Obama. We do so wholeheartedly: the Democratic candidate has clearly
shown that he offers the better chance of restoring America’s
self-confidence. But we acknowledge it is a gamble. Given Mr Obama’s
inexperience, the lack of clarity about some of his beliefs and the
prospect of a stridently Democratic Congress, voting for him is a risk.
But we believe it is one America should take. In our cover leader we
explain why.

An endorsement of Barack Obama

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By danpaul, October 31, 2008 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

I thought I might find some intelligent conversation here, but I guess I was wrong. I am ashamed and embarassed that most of these comments are downright hateful coming from Americans!

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By davidperi, October 31, 2008 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Most Europeans that I know just hate the politics of American as reflected in the above piece because it does not reflect justice.  America has an image problem and they think this tough image, a John Wayne type, go-it-alone is American that expresses freedom and independence.  That was John Wayne in the movies.  What was the real image, that of a drunkard and a womanizer. So the politicans still pout America as been tough and independent…and what is it doing, exporting it overseaes while the real cancer is eating away at the insides. 

So will this policy continue or will it change when a new president is voted for next tuesday?

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By Blackspeare, October 31, 2008 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

Every administration, in its last throes, tries to push through as many new rules and regulations it can to help their friends.  Bush and his cronies will probably excel at this, but more interesting will be who Bush gives pardons to in the final days——any guesses?!

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By prole, October 31, 2008 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

No, the PNAC is “not likely to simply swallow an electoral loss”. But it’s not likely that it will have to, regardless of the outcome of the spurious election next week. McCain obviously is on board. But it might be useful to be reminded of Obama’s links to the PNAC national-security-state vision, too. Read down the list of early PNAC signatories, and you’ll not only see McCain advisers like William Kristol, Robert Kagan, Randy Scheunemann, but you’ll also find prominent Obama paid advisers like Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross and Anthony Lake. So, if indeed we know what we “can expect from a McCain administration” by association, what, does this tell us about what we can expect from an Obama administration? Are we simply to assume on faith that Obama will oppose similar PNAC goals despite the unsavory advisers with which he’s surrounded himself.?
And in line with the “PNAC/Bush transformative priority” on global missile defense, it is not only McCain that has indicated his support for such schemes. In talks last month in Poland, Obama said he would proceed with building such a system in that country as long as it wasn’t aimed at Russia - essentially the same position as McCain.
  Another worrisome area is control of communications and personal privacy, especially “recent changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.”  Changes such as an amendment earlier this summer granting telecom corporations immunity from prosecution for cooperating with secret government warrantless wiretaps. A provision Obama had first opposed and then flip-flopped on, and joined McCain in supporting it.
And what of defense spending? In his seminal speech to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, Obama set out plans to increase groundtroop levels by close to 100,000 added soldiers.
Any doubts about Obama’s commitment to PNAC’s stated goal to ” build new kinds of conventional forces for different strategic challenges and a new technological environment” must surely be allayed by his response to a question in the Science Debate 2008 survey. Obama averred, “Technology leadership is key to our national security. It’s essential to create a coherent new defense technology strategy to meet the kinds of threats we may face… As president I will also ensure that our defense, homeland security, and intelligence agencies have the strong research leadership needed to revitalize our defense research activities and achieve breakthrough science that can be quickly converted into new capabilities for our security.
  This year, I was encouraged to see the Department of Defense (DoD) requested a sharp increase in the basic research budget for breakthrough technologies. More is needed. My administration will put basic defense research on a path to double and will assure strong funding for investments in DoD’s applied research programs. We will enhance the connections between defense researchers and their war-fighting counterparts.”
  Moreover, a top Obama adviser and possible future Sec. of Defense, Richard Danzig, earlier this month, reported in the Wall St. Journal, asserted, he doesn’t “see defense spending declining in the first years of an Obama administration. There are a set of demands there that are very severe, very important to our national well-being.”
  No worries there for the PNAC. Of course, “architects of power” seldom ever want to give up that power. That was as true of Clinton as it is of Bush. Regardless of the outcome of the token election the “ideological vision” of the PNAC is unlikely to be very much “dashed”. On most substantive points, Obama and McCain are in concert. The skirmish is mainly about who gets the patronage plums afterward. Whether it’s the Kristol’s, Kagan,‘s, Scheunemann’s or the Indyk’s, Ross’s, Lake’s. Either way PNAC is covered. “This shall indeed be a period of consequences” - either way.

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By MAR, October 31, 2008 at 11:29 am Link to this comment

Shocking, and I suspect true.  With this kind of fascism within your gates, who needs enemies? I think Hitler had a plan something like this but lacking the subtlety of this power grab. 

America needs to elect an alternate view overwhelmingly and then proceed to correct its internal ills, such as the electoral college concept and and the mechanics of its actualy voting machinery, a national non-political system of electoral lists and voting regulations.While I suspect nothing can be totally tamperproof, the actuality is much better than the sad situation in the US. Many other countries have this and it is appalling that a so-called democracy such as the US can have democracy subverted (as in 2000). It is ironic to see Amereican watchdog representatives on some third world elections.

I am so glad my Loyalist ancestors came to Canada from New York and Connecticut in 1784.

As THE world leader, the US is proving to have feet of clay, despite its fine constitution, balance of power structure. Dictatorship is not far from the thoughts expressed in this scary article.  This are the same people who wanted to bring Armageddon in order to speed up the coming of the “rapture”. Evil bullshit, all of it.

Some claim Obama is not that different but I hope not.  As an outsider, I will be cheering on the forces of good, whoever they are - certainly not McCain and his like -  on your election night.

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By LJ in MD, October 31, 2008 at 10:53 am Link to this comment
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It has started:
The Justice Department (which is 100% dedicated to keeping the Neocons safe) is sending hundreds of “observers” to mostly black, urban polling places and National Guard units have been put on alert.
Do you THINK this is being done to protect citizens right to vote?
Do you THINK they are there to guard against voter suppression?
They are there to intimidate non-conservative voters and to quickly suppress any complaints voters might make against the stealing of this election.
And if you think they care one tiny bit about it being wrong, you have not been paying attention for the past 8 years.
Don’t be intimidated.
Vote! Vote! Vote!
Vote! Vote!

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By GrammaConcept, October 31, 2008 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

Obama speaks, quite regularly,
of following our “better angels”.......

Obama is, of course, in the position he is in due to trade-offs that are absolutely necessary to get there….

However…....He truly appears to me, after Much study,
to still have large portions of his Soul in personal reserve…

This article is a brilliant analysis of the matters at hand..
Thank you, Mr. Cohen.

Calling on our “better angels” for help….
(and yes, there most certainly are other kinds of angels)......
is truly always called for…...
most especially…..Now…..

Strive On, Friends…..

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By AmiBlue, October 31, 2008 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

I’m more afraid of the neocon republicans than I am of the terrorists.  Its the neocons who have taken our civil rights and who are bankrupting the country. In fact, al Qaida has accomplished it’s goals of tying the U.S. down in dibilitationg wars and ruining the economy.  Bin Laden must be thrilled with his handiwork.

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By Leefeller, October 31, 2008 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

A most permeating stench of opportunism coming from Washington for the last eight years has been apparent.    McCain has proven to be like Bush, using the same slime campaign of lies, forces a thinking person to scratch ones head in puzzlement.  It is beyond comprehension that people would even be considering the McCain/ Palin ticket? 

This article provides a nuts and bolts explanation of why things are as they are and should be required reading in all schools.  Neocon bandied about like any other political rhetoric was just a fuzzy word for me, maybe Republican heavy?  First the young people should be aware of who is calling the shots, so they can change their majors.  Is this devious manipulation by a small number of self proclaimed elitists the fine print definition of plutocracy?
Elite, opportunism shows several different sides to itself.  Of course power is at the forefront, wealth may be second, not sure what third would be or is their a third? Maybe third would be a real belief or faith of their convictions?  Maybe this article,  explains why impeachment was always off the table.

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By Spiritgirl, October 31, 2008 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

As a US citizen, these people frighten me.  They (Wolfowitz, Chaney, Bush, Feith, Abrams, et. al) should all be in jail for treason!  The very people that “had other things to do” when the country needed their services, are the very bullies that want to now dominate the world!  September 11, 2001 - was something they warned about, but allowed to happen - it was just the excuse that they needed to render an Imperial Presidency!

These last 8 years have been the longest of my life!  Here we are with not incompetents, but militaristic bullies - that don’t understand the world at large!  These individuals have no care or concern for anyone else.  They feel that the way to go is to dominate militarily - well how’s that worked so well in Iraq?  For that matter how well has it been working for Israel against the Palestinians?  When will people learn that you can not continue to bully other people so that you can get your way!  It might work for a while, but in the long run everyone has a point at which they say enough is enough!  And then en masse they will rise up and start to fight back - and it need not be with high tech weapons, as the Iraq fiasco should prove!

These people are socio-paths, (childhood abandonment issues? maybe), however, now they pose as “public servants” in order to promote an agenda of hate, havoc, greed, and destruction!  To do what rule the world, they need to learn to truly rule over the socio-pathic instincts of the man in the mirror!

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By Thomas Mc, October 31, 2008 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

The NeoFascists didn’t spend the last 8 years dismantling the country for nothing. I suspect a totalitarian coup is not far off.

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By Jim Yell, October 31, 2008 at 6:59 am Link to this comment
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One can only hope that the Republican Party is defeated by such a margin that it will be impotent for decades if not destroyed for its push at dictatorship. Sadly it isn’t clear that there will be an overwhelming defeat of Republicans in this election.

And, what if there is? As long as the Democratic Party is lead by the likes of Pelosi and Reid and other enablers a Democratic Majority may not deliver on its promises to return us to a law abiding government. So there is left only a hope that things will be done to save our democracy.

One should not ignore that the focus of the militarist movement and corporate involvement in the corruption of the system will shift focus to Democratic officials. The process of democracy will likely be overwhelmned by a tide of money bent on our distruction from within.

Can we count on enough elected officials who are true to the nation and the constitution to resist this gathering corruption? We can only hope.

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By jhm, October 31, 2008 at 6:34 am Link to this comment
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It is with relief, and an appreciation for the ironical, that we should note that the chances of Hon. Sen. McCain et alii proceeding with their agenda will have been (knock wood) in large part frustrated by their simultaneous insistence on pursuing free market radicalism (as well as a soupçon of pentecostal nuttery).  In other words, if they had had tried to pursue these goals as well as had a more ‘socialistic’ domestic agenda, they might very well have been more successful.

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By Outraged, October 31, 2008 at 5:44 am Link to this comment
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McCain is a Facist, just like all the rest of those in the government, period end of story. What more needs to be said?

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By Purple Girl, October 31, 2008 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

Since it is Holloween I’d like to think this is Just a Horror Story….But having watched the last 30 yrs roll out, it only confirms my fears.
Cheney,Wolfie, Rummy, Baker et al slipped out of our hands after the Nixon years and they have been conspiring to Undermine our Democracy and Free market ever since.Ronny’s election and presidency scared the shit out of me. HW’s ‘New World Order’ sent shivers down my spine. And my first glimpse at cheney when he was named W’s VP made my skin crawl.
I realized that 9/11 was an ‘Opportunity’ as soon as they said ‘They hate US for our freedoms’. thoe targets were part of the MIC
When they announced we had invaded Afghanistan, I told my husband ‘We’re Fucked’. Then came the Anthrax ‘Attacks’ which were suspeciously targeting ‘liberal’ media..Also a Dead give away.
And then the cherry on the Cake, Iraq.
How can One person, even a President actually combat this force of PURE EVIL?
If if we do get Justice ....How do we irradicate the insideous infection which has become systemic?
By informing the Public, the masses, of these Highest of Crimes against US, and the rest of humanity.
When asked What should the next Pres do within the first 100 days, I discount it since the first 100 minutes will be the most crucial and directional.Pray it is Sen Obama and following th elast utterance of the Oath, all these men (and women i’m sure) should be rounded up ‘Knights templar ’ Style and immmediately brought before the public exposed. Immediate ‘trials’ and punishment. No Prison times, No appeals, No Pardons,No commutations, No mercy…If Capital Punishment is ever appropriate, It is in This Case, of Treason, War crimes and Crimes against Humanity.
Now I’m Terrified….Oh so appropo for this Day.
But obviously not surprised or shocked by these revelations, like so many other ‘Cheeto eating tin Hats’ we’ve been screaming about this for decades!

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By hippy pam, October 31, 2008 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

I saw “ole cindy mccain” on the tube speechifiying about “how her man has been tested and that he had passed the test”.......Hey lady….Your man FOLDED LIKE A WET NOODLE….TWICE….Once in NAM…and Once when called upon to honor wedding vows with his first wife…mcshame takes the easy way out…

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By purplewolf, October 30, 2008 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

Samosamo: I heard last night(Wednesday)that George W.Bush is coming out with the Bush Doctrine version II and is trying to slide it through underhanded, as all of his laws he draws up, before he is drummed out of office. It will expand the already first Bush Doctrine. Something we do not need.

These power insane people will not go away quietly and after stealing the last 2 elections and getting away with it, only makes them bolder and deadlier in their actions. Remember, they are desperate and stealing the white house again is their only goal, regardless what ever it takes and who they harm. Money is no expense.

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By 911truthdotorg, October 30, 2008 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

We have until 11:59am on Jan 20, 2009 for the bush crime family to pull off another 9/11 - or worse.

Don’t count these monsters out just yet.

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By ANYnameWILLdo, October 30, 2008 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment
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As indicated by many commentators(such as Alexander Cockburn, whom I like to read), Obama appears to be quite hawkish as well. I believe I recall reading somewhere that Madeline Albright, as well as some other “LIBERALS” also signed onto PNAC. Indeed, in the grand scheme of things, US foreign policy(set largely by the council on foreign affairs) varies relatively little from one party to the next. Those in power are always hawkish(KOREA,NAM, even Clinton in Iraq and elsewhere)and they can ALWAYS find “LIBERAL” commentators(HITCHENS, bought and paid for)to push for war.


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By samosamo, October 30, 2008 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

As I have said before, the neocons will not just give up their hold on power without a fight or someother catastrophic event to keep power. Even now there have been people arrested for a supposed attempt on obama’s life. If obama is elected and someone succeeds in killing him, what will biden do? Also remember there is not much of a dimes worth of difference in a democrat and a republican, both are corporate whores. And that are the questions IF there is a transfer of power on 1.20.2009, that little directive wasn’t put into play for just some cooked up ‘terrorist’ attack. There are more terrorists in washington d.c. than anywhere else on this planet combined.

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