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John McCain’s Chilling Project for AmericaPosted on Jun 12, 2008
By Elliot Cohen (Page 2) Designing and deploying global missile defense systems RAD also emphasized, as an additional core value, the need to “transform U.S. forces to exploit the ‘revolution in military affairs.’ ” This included the design and deployment of a global ballistic missile defense system consisting of land-, sea-, air- and space-based components said to be capable of shielding the U.S. and its allies from “limited strikes” in the future by “rogue” nations such as Iraq, North Korea and Iran. Along these lines, McCain has maintained that a ballistic missile defense system was “indispensable”—even if this meant reneging on the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty of 1972 at the expense of angering the Russians. Unfortunately, while RAD acknowledged the “limited” efficacy of such a weapons system (presumably because it cannot realistically provide a bulletproof shield, especially against large-scale missile attacks), neither it nor McCain addressed the problem that deployment of such a system could be destabilizing: It could encourage escalation, instead of de-escalation, of ballistic missile arsenals by nations that fear becoming sitting ducks, and might even provoke a pre-emptive strike. Further, there is still the question of whether the creation of such costly, national defense shields is even technologically feasible. The use of genocidal biological warfare for political expediency Not only did RAD advocate the design and deployment of defensive weaponry, it also stressed the updating of conventional offensive weapons including cruise missiles along with stealthy strike aircraft and longer-range Air Force strike aircraft. But it went further in its offensive posture by envisioning and supporting the use of genotype-specific biological warfare. According to RAD, “... advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.” In this chilling statement, a double standard is evident. In the hands of al-Qaida, such genocidal weapons would belong to “the realm of terror,” but in those of the U.S., they would be “politically useful tools.” Rejection of the United Nations PNAC’s double standard is also inherent in its rejection of the idea of a cooperative, neutral effort among the nations of the world to address world problems, including the problem of Iraq. “Nor can the United States assume a UN-like stance of neutrality,” states the RAD report. “The preponderance of American power is so great and its global interests so wide that it cannot pretend to be indifferent to the political outcome in the Balkans, the Persian Gulf or even when it deploys forces in Africa. Finally, these missions demand forces basically configured for combat.” Accordingly, a McCain administration founded on a PNAC platform of self-interested exercise of force would oppose giving the United Nations any central role in setting and implementing foreign affairs policy. Control of space and cyberspace PNAC’s quest for global domination transcends any literal meaning of the geopolitical, and extends also to the control, rather than the sharing, of outer space. It also has serious implications for cyber freedom. Thus the RAD report states, “Much as control of the high seas—and the protection of international commerce—defined global powers in the past, so will control of the new ‘international commons’ be a key to world power in the future. An America incapable of protecting its interests or that of its allies in space or the ‘infosphere’ will find it difficult to exert global political leadership. ... Access to and use of cyberspace and the Internet are emerging elements in global commerce, politics and power. Any nation wishing to assert itself globally must take account of this other new ‘global commons.’ ” There is a difference between protecting the Internet from a cyber attack and controlling it. The former is defensive while the latter is offensive. But RAD also advocated going on the offensive. It stated that “an offensive capability could offer America’s military and political leaders an invaluable tool in disabling an adversary in a decisive manner.” However, state control of cyberspace for political purposes can have serious implications for the Fourth Amendment right to privacy. The Bush administration has already engaged in mass illegal spying on the phone and e-mail messages of millions of Americans through its National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program. As a result of copying these messages and depositing them into an NSA computer database, it began to assemble a massive “Total Information Awareness” computer network. The FBI has also begun to develop and integrate such personal data with a biometric database that includes digital iris prints and facial images. Combine this with other computerized databases including credit card information, banking records and health files, and the result is an incredible ability to exercise power and control over anyone deemed by a political leader to be an “adversary”—including journalists, political opponents and others who might not see eye to eye with the administration. In concert with the PNAC mission of control over cyberspace, McCain has supported making warrantless spying on American citizens legal. When asked if he believed that Bush’s warrantless surveillance program was legal, McCain responded, “You know, I don’t think so, but why not come to Congress? We can sort this out. ... I think they will get that authority, whatever is reasonable and needed, and increased abilities to monitor communications are clearly in order.” Consistent with his conviction that such extended powers should be granted to the president, McCain has also recently voted for Senate Bill S.2248, which vacates substantial civil liberties protections included in the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). In contrast to the 1978 FISA, S.2248 would allow the president, acting through the attorney general, to spy on the phone and e-mail communications of Americans without individual court warrants or the need to judicially show probable cause. Despite the fact that McCain has said that Bush’s NSA spying program was not legal, he has also supported granting retroactive legal immunity to the telecommunication companies (such as AT&T and Verizon) that helped Bush illegally spy on millions of Americans. This means that he has openly admitted that the Bush administration acted unlawfully in eavesdropping on Americans’ phone and e-mail messages, while at the same time opted for taking away their legal right to redress this violation. And this unequivocally means that McCain is prepared to allow executive authority to trump the rule of law.
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By yankhadenuf, October 18, 2008 at 12:45 pm #
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While “Clean Break” IS the forerunner of PNAC:
http://zfacts.com/p/139.html
It is also even more important to note the followup document by the “Clean Break” cabal>>>
“Coping with Crumbling States: A Western and Israeli
Balance-of-Power Strategy for the Levant”:
http://zfacts.com/p/140.html
The aforementioned document was also generated in the IASPS Israeli think tank , and sets out to involve the United States military in its plans, which unfortunately as we have seen, actually came to pass.
Report thisBy Jerry, June 16, 2008 at 8:43 pm #
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Jackpine Savage wrote:
” While the world focuses on the presidential election, i fear that we will not pay enough attention to the current government of these United States. And the next six months are - in my humble opinion - the most dangerous six months of American history. These men have nothing left to lose and only one serious shot left at the brass ring.”
I couldn’t agree more and what is frightening is that the media focuses on irrelevant stories about who’s preacher said what or should gays be allowed to marry.
Neither makes any difference to the men and women who have already died in Iraq and Afghanistan or who have been physically and or mentally damaged by the repeated tours they have endured and probably won’t get much help from a McCain presidency given his statements on benefits for vets.
When Bush was first installed I expected to oppose much of what he proposed. Had anyone hinted at half of the horrors he’s committed, I would have classified it as the ravings of a lunatic. I will be outraged if Bush/Cheney launch an attack on Iran but I won’t be surprised.
Report thisBy Ed Harges, June 16, 2008 at 9:29 am #
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In a new essay, Paul Craig Roberts encapsulates 2 things very well (1) why I have become sick with disgust at Barack Obama, and (2) why I will probably vote for him anyway:
(1)’...by groveling before the Israel Lobby Obama has dispelled any hope that his presidency would make a difference.’
(2)‘The Republican Party has morphed into a Brownshirt Party. The party worships energy in the executive. If the Brownshirt Republicans are reelected, they only need one more Supreme Court appointment in order to destroy American liberty.
‘That is what is at stake in the November election. As bad as Obama is on important issues, his election will signal rejection of the tyranny to which the Republicans are committed.’
http://counterpunch.org/roberts06162008.html
Report thisBy cyrena, June 16, 2008 at 3:25 am #
Sodium
I can vouch for the fact that Ernest Canning and Ed Harges are *not* the same people, though both of them are certainly knowledgeable on the details of the Clean Break Paper and the connection to the PNAC. Just a quick glance at the signatories is connection enough. And by now, these issues are well known. They come up in University lectures across the nation, as well as in meetings of various citizen organizations. And, theres been in-depth discussion here on this site, over the past 18 months that Ive been reading and posting here. So, all of the dots have already been connected by many, many people.
So I guess the real challenge at this point, is to make millions more Americans aware of the SAME, in a hope that it MIGHT (yes I know Im being idealistic) put some pressure on the Thugs, NOT to attack Iran.
In short, is there ANYTHING that we the people can do, to prevent this? Would it help for millions more Americans to understand that the planned attack on Iran is a result of this Project for a New American Century which is in essence all of these papers that Elliot Cohen has cited, INCLUDING the Clean Break Papers. (yes I know the PNAC is actually the group/think tank that designed all of the papers to create the project)
So, can you suggest whether or not this information, if placed in the full view for consumption for the other millions of Americans, might provoke enough of an outcry to prevent the attack on Iran? And, how would we get that information out there, considering the blackout that MSM maintains on such information?
Any thoughts would be helpful.
Report thisBy fascistUSA, June 15, 2008 at 10:17 pm #
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Esoteric Agenda (2 hour documentary - “they” are trying to take down), Empire of Cities : Ring of power (4 hour documentary), The Illuminati (Fritz Springmeier’s books are MUCH better AND available for download at ThePirateBay.com), Loose Chnage, and ZEITGEISTmovie.com.
Better check your assumptions. George Washington was a Freemason. So was almost every signer of The Declaration of Independance.
The Truth is Incredible.
Report thisBy Leefeller, June 15, 2008 at 8:38 pm #
Troll this
During the Hillary Obama wars on TD we had many posters suddenly appear and attack the Obama positions by blitzing, name calling, attacking the messenger, but nothing of substance on issues. It was sort of entertaining and ugly at the same time. What I noticed most of all, is the Hillary supporters never provided any comments on issues other then attacks on Obama, nor did they ever show presence sort of speak on articles about the Iraq war and other topic articles. Seems we should have been able to find common ground and respect, but not with these folks.
Several of the Hillary supporters posted on other topics, but most blitzed against Obama, one could say they were trolls. Trolling web sites to cause divisive mischief I suppose. My suspicion that they were on the Hillary payroll will never be known.
Control over the mass media by the elite, has spurred web interaction between posters, which has been enlightening and refreshing bickering may be productive to some, it only creates misunderstanding and animosity, some people prefer it that way.
Report thisBy keepyourheaddown, June 15, 2008 at 7:06 pm #
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MCLoser couldn’t win if he was running by himself.
Report thisDoes it get anymore pathetic?
Oh yeah it does, his name is Bush…
By Guenter, June 15, 2008 at 6:46 pm #
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...from douchebag (McCain) becoming the next president.
He is a liar and a crook. Wonder why the came out when Kerry run with this swift boat scam. McCain’s POW story and being tortured by North Vietnamese is a huge lie. Time to bring it up.
Report thisBy GreenFoxFive, June 15, 2008 at 4:37 pm #
LOL, Surely no one is really considering McBush for President??? I mean really. Can you really imagine another for years of Dictator Bush? God help us all.
JT
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By Sodium, June 15, 2008 at 12:52 pm #
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Re:“Clean Break” is the Fore-Runner for PNAC.
Ernest Canning,
Thank you for your post of June 14 in which you have
explained that “PNAC” is an acronym for “Project for New American Century”,although I have expected Ed Harges to respond with much more details.
Of course,you could not possibly know what I really had in my mind as I raised the question to Ed Harges.
So,your suggestion to me to read the article before reading the comments is quite understandable.However,
It will be only fair to let you know and let Ed Harges know the following points:
-For your information,I read Mr.Elliot Cohen’s article entitled"John McCain’s Chilling Project for America” very carefully before I raised the question to Ed Herges.In fact,I have known exactly what PNAC
stands for way before I even read Mr. Cohen’s article
The question then arises:why did I then raise the
question as to the meaning of PNAC?? A fair question.
-By asking Ed Harges(assuming he is not you)to explain to me what PNAC stands for was to induce him
to expose more of what he knew about the neoconservatives,since I gathered the impression that he really knew much much more than he posted on PNAC,
on his post of June 13.
-Although Elliot Cohen’s article has listed several
names who played significant roles in writing or signing the PNAC,the article has failed to mention that the Fore-Runner of PNAC was a paper entitled
“CLEAN Break:A New Strategy for Securing the Realm”
which was submitted in 1996 to Mr.Benjamin Netanyahu,
Prime Minister of Israel then.Netanyahu’s response was that it was too much for Israel to handle.The PNAC was submitted in 1997-1998 to the then President
Bill Clinton who had managed to ignore it.
-The irony lies in the fact that Mr. Elliot Cohen’s
article has failed to,at least,mention that the paper
entitled “Clean Break:A New Strategy to Secure the
Realm” as the Fore=Runner for PNAC,Ed Harges(assuming
again that he is not you)was/is knowledgeable and
objective enough in mentioning it so clearly and so
brilliantly and without the slightest hesitation.That
was the real reason which induced me to the question, in the first place.I wanted to squeese more information from the Knowledgeable,Ed Herges,whoever he or she was/is.
Final words:I strongly urge anyone who is interested to understand the essence and common denominator that
Report thisconnect the “Clen Break:A New Strategy for Securing
the Realm” and the “Project for New American Century”
(PNAC) to Google and study both papers and their authors who must be held accountable for the destruction of Iraq,as a functioning society, sovereign country,and member of the United Nations.
Just Google the title of each paper and you will get plenty of information about each of them.Please study them and reach your own conclusion.Good Luck.
By Leefeller, June 15, 2008 at 10:07 am #
Our plutocracy is run by one, only providing the illusion of two parties. Controlled Division is necessary to maintain status quo. Hence what we see is what we get.
Report thisBy Amon Drool, June 14, 2008 at 5:14 pm #
scottk…i, for one, appreciate your civil and gracious response to ernest. you’re right…we all have to follow our individual consciences. i happen to be of the lesser-evilism “school.” altho, believe me, if i thought ralph had a shot, i’d vote for him in a heartbeat. it just doesn’t seem right to me to make a symbolic vote…especially when this article has tied mcMcain so closely to the manic militarist neocons. you’re probably right…obama will put just put a more benign face on empire lite. (his call for a troop surge in afghanistan i find mind-boggling) i just ran outa typing space?!?? what’s up here?
Report thisBy cann4ing, June 14, 2008 at 4:37 pm #
scottk, I’ll respect your decision but leave you to contemplate something a history prof said to me back in 1969 shortly after I returned from Vietnam.
“If the American right can always be criticized for its utter insensitivity to the human condition, the American left can always be criticized for its inability to count.”
The base reality is that a vote for Nader is the equivalent to not voting at all. While there is much to criticize in both Obama and the corporate sector of the Democratic Party, there is little or no truth in Nader’s assertion that there would be no difference between an Obama presidency and a McCain presidency just as there was no truth in the assertion that there would have been no truth to the claim that there was no difference between Bush and Gore—and people all over this planet, especially our troops and millions of Iraqis have paid a heavy price because so many refused to acknowledge that difference.
Yet you would do it again? Shocking!
Report thisBy americahappens1, June 14, 2008 at 4:15 pm #
....and bringing a voice to the American people.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.i ndividual&videoid=35185726
Report thisBy Amon Drool, June 14, 2008 at 3:39 pm #
paul easton…good luck with reading rousseau. i was unable to get in a flow with his 18th century style. if you’re able to, more power to ya. a good modern meditation on rousseau is marshall berman’s The Politics of Authenticity. can one be a noble savage in the modern world? who knows? but ya better give it a try…
Report thisBy cyrena, June 14, 2008 at 3:34 pm #
Response to Scottk #163041
Lets be really clear here, just so you can save yourself some time and energy. You are standard issue on this website, following the normal of flow of things, but specifically in terms of this historical time in our political history as a nation. It follows from the concept that theres always one, two, or more in every crowd. They come and go, floating through to be wherever they can, whenever they can, designed to do the most damage as they can, with whatever methods/tactics they assume will be most effective.
In blog language, we call you trolls, though you may not like being addressed as such. Still, thats the terminology thats grown from the technology/communication. It is what it is, and you are that, and we know you are that. (or, at least I do, and others can figure it out for themselves.)
Heres a typical profile on how you are easily spotted, specifically in times of elections and other politically charged times. (which seems all of the time for the past 8 years, but it waxes and wanes.)
First, you NEVER advance a candidate or party choice preference of your own. (at least you dont verbalize it, so as far as we know, you could be 100% in support of the current cabal of thugs, and a protégé of Karl Rove). Since you never advance a preference of any party, platform, principle, cause, issue of your own, you never put forth a case FOR anything, or anyone.
RATHER, your entire time and space is taken up by taking whatever information you can find from anywhere, (including even reliable news sources few that they are) and then framing your negative or smear in a way that the source seems to support. (but only after youve framed it as such).
One of many excellent examples of this is the currently available interview on Democracy NOW!, with Vincent Bugliosi. He explains, (in record time) just how the Thugs were able to sell the majority of the American population on a connection between Saddams Iraq and 9/11 and al-Qaeda, in order to gain popular support for the war on Iraq that had been in the planning by the neo-cons for over a decade.
Another excellent example, (that certainly put the 2004 John Kerry Swiftboat Operation to shame) was the hoopla created over the sound bytes from 6 year old sermons by Jeremiah Wright. Same with the Muslim identity smears of Obama that began long, long, ago like from even BEFORE he announced his candidacy.
So thats the first component of the scheme, which is actually as old as dirt. Its the propaganda via whatever means of communication are available at the time. Its a REQUIRED component of any individual, group of individuals, or political regime, to destabilize, or otherwise control a population. The most sophisticated of the operations, (as used by Fascist or Dictatorial regimes) is to create chaos by means of terror/confusion/divisiveness etc, and to MAINTAIN that chaos, because that maintains the control. But, thats at the macro level. Yours is at the micro level, and is basically lightweight small time stuff, but it still works. Thats how Kerry was undermined.
So, thats what you do here. Thats why every post you make involves some sort of a smear, criticism, or negative innuendo about Barack Obama. Some sort of an implied or implicit connection to something that generally doesnt exist, or at least not in the terms that youre trying to create.
The OTHER part of the process is to target and harass anyone who RECOGNIZES what youre up to, and calls you out on it, therefore bringing it to the attention of your victims who might not notice it immediately themselves. In your case, thats me.
So, now were clear, and you can stop addressing me directly in your work. Im not going anywhere, and apparently you arent either. Just so were clear.
Report thisBy cann4ing, June 14, 2008 at 2:01 pm #
Nothing new there, Scottk. If you go to Obama’s web site you will find similar language posted throughout. Newsflash! Obama is not Dennis Kucinich. Neither is Hillary Clinton. I wish they were, but they’re not even close. But, faced with a McCain presidency that would put the finishing touches on the Bush/Cheney assault on constitutional democracy and the rule of law, Obama is the only electoral option open to progressives.
Report thisBy cann4ing, June 14, 2008 at 11:17 am #
Sodium, “PNAC” is the acronym for the Project for a New American Century. A detailed description of PNAC is set forth in Elliot Cohen’s article. Respectfully, I would suggest actually reading the articles “before” you move on to reading the comments.
Report thisBy miroslav, June 14, 2008 at 9:47 am #
Truth and Consequences
The town [?], the collection of house trailers known as
Truth and Consequences
abuts Elephant Butte
one or more dry cheeks and creak beds
just upriver,
the mere length of a thirsty Elephant trunk,
on the Rio Grande
up from the seat of Otero County
Las Cruces Nuevo Mejico and its Organ Mountains craggy with geologic truths, truths of upheavals, not to be worn wind smoothed for another hundred thousand years .
Where does truth abut?
the Rio Grande?
A Rio Grande that is an antipode of itself: muy pequeño
as fat or thin as you view it from your perspective as an Elephant pissing into a gutter
muy seco courtesy of the orchard keepers irrigation drainage
seco of truth but not of sand in your eyes if you peer wide eyed into the shifting dunes of time
its piss in your soup at that dubious point
Just wide enough for an old Jaguar’s one last broad jump length for a Jaguar can cross for a final disappointed leap into
to lap of an old whore full of lies as of lice
Muy seco like the mesquite
The creosote that is used to tar the liars in a hell that only exists on earth
Consequences galore.
Report thisBy miroslav, June 14, 2008 at 9:45 am #
The current president regarded not as the abysm of governance but as the pinnacle of a successful criminal conspiracy! The very godfather of corporate crime!
Report thisBy miroslav, June 14, 2008 at 9:44 am #
BUGDUD, THE ANTI-MUSICAL
Bagdad, the Musical….
Welcome, and subscribe to Bugdud, the musical
Bush & Co presents,
Subscribe now.
The time cannot be far off
Remember Ms. Saigon,
Starring the one and only Akmad Chalabi himself dancing with the Wolf
tearing down the statue of old Baddass of Bugdud
Saddam, goddamned Saddamn
with rockets flying overhead…
The early bird gets more than the worm
he is guaranteed a Halliburton-like return
Bush & Co. does not fly on the cheap…. on the Mesopotamian futures exchange….
In the background, as constant accompaniment is the Moktadar al Sadr Brigade, singing and dancing and brandishing their weapons in… I don’t know… how about Red Army Style…
Then we have a few Marines kicking ass out of some wooden doors… some Special very special forces…
and of course we have Sheherezade whom we import from yet another fantasy… or maybe we should just call her Fatima the Fair….
Our rhythm section consists of a dozen mortars….
The sirens are the high-pitched sounds of jets overhead…
With some whirly-birds for rhythmic accompaniment
Since everything Amurrican made has to have that constant bounce
The old up and down the hip of of the mechanical age
Each early investor is guaranteed a vial of real Arabian desert sand drenched in blood… for special investors we throw in a visit to a virtual Iraq in Death Valley….
And our master of ceremonies, Akmad Chalabi, the hero of errors, playing himself…
Report thisBy kanuear, June 14, 2008 at 7:48 am #
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Elliot !!!
Isn’t this the foundation of the USA ?
“John McCain has long been a major player in a radical militaristic group driven by an ideology of global expansionism and dominance attained through perpetual, pre-emptive, unilateral, multiple wars. The credo of this group is the end justifies the means, and the end of establishing the United States as the worlds sole superpower justifies, in its estimation, anything from military control over the information on the Internet to the use of genocidal biological weapons.”
NEW MINDS HAVE TO CHANGE OLD THINKING.
I BELONG TO A NEW RACE OF PEOPLE… MY COLOR IS ......
C L E A R….....
Report thisBy Sodium, June 14, 2008 at 4:28 am #
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Re:PNCA???
Ed Harges,
I have been impressed by the accuracy of the content
Report thisof your posts.Reading your posts tells me that you really know what you are talking about.But sometimes
you leave a simple reader like me wondering about some abbreviations you use without spelling out what they= stand for.Example:in your post of June 13,you mentioned PNAC.Please tell me what PNAC stands for.Thank you.
By cyrena, June 14, 2008 at 3:39 am #
Felicity,
On this:
..Today I read that members of Congress have approximately $150 million worth of investments in major U.S. military contractors. So much for any check by Congress on massive defense spending.
Anybody know if its possible to access financial holdings of members of Congress? We need names.
Just as a primer of sorts, Leigh left this link earlier in what she called her mother-of-five-voice, which makes me think she was trying to get out attention. Nancy Pelosi is one of the wealthiest members of Congress, and she and her husband are tightly inbred with the defense industry.
Report thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi
By paul easton, June 14, 2008 at 3:03 am #
And come to think of it, I find its very helpful that Drool tipped me to Rousseau. I looked at Wikipedia and feel he was amazingly insightful for a thinker of that era. I’ll have to read his books. Thanks so much.
Frankly I feel I’m not nearly as bright as that but I came to my insights though observation of the new youth culture.
Report thisBy cann4ing, June 14, 2008 at 2:09 am #
Excellent point, wasabinoir. But I would add that McCain is not simply linked to the neoconservative engine, but that he is actually to the right of it.
Although the media has erected the myth that John McCain is a maverick, in reality McCain is more belligerent than George W. Bush. His roots lie deep within the military-industrial complex and U.S. imperialism, with his grandfather having been an admirable largely responsible for the expansion of U.S. Naval power and his admiral father having at one time served as the commander of U.S. naval forces. His world outlook and commitment to imperial conquest are strikingly similar, historically, to General Tojo of imperial Japan.
Like George W. Bush, McCain is a son of privilege who is really not all that bright—a point embodied in his having graduated 894 out of 899 in his class at the Naval Academy, and his hair-trigger temper is legendary, making him perhaps the last man on earth who should have his meaty fingers near the nuclear trigger.
Then, of course, if the fool doesn’t annihilate us all first, it is likely that his election and perpetuation of Bush regime economic policies will lead to a total meltdown of the U.S. economy, an end to all remnants of constitutional protections of our civil liberties and the final descent into fascism. I suppose it is a matter of picking your poison.
Report thisBy paul easton, June 14, 2008 at 1:12 am #
I can seriously second Mr Drool on “lesser-evilism”.
Report thisBy jackpine savage, June 13, 2008 at 8:57 pm #
Yes, Amon, it is very reminiscent of the waning days of the Nixon administration (and again, note the similarity in players). If memory serves me well, there was a time when Kissinger actually subverted the President and made any military strikes go through him.
I agree that the H.W. Bush wing is much more sensible. Unfortunately, Pappa already tried to save his boy’s skin once by stocking the Iraq Study Group with those men, but they got tossed out by their former interns.
Everyone knew that Nixon was going down; that tied his hands and relieved people close to him of some responsibility for loyalty. Impeachment proceedings are important, not to get a verdict, but to tie the administration down…it should have been done long ago.
Report thisBy wasabinoir, June 13, 2008 at 7:44 pm #
It is remarkable that Senator McCain has been able to present himself as a “maverick” when he is so closely linked to the neo-conservative idealogical engine that runs the White House’s foreign policy. I’m not surprised that he can achieve such Leo Straussian mendacity when the opposition falls for the baiting comments of provocateurs (like some of the commentators below) who encourage observers to loose sight of the real issues of the day.
Report thisBy Karolee, June 13, 2008 at 7:07 pm #
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I’m just afraid that there are too many misguided Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain. I can’t imagine what they’re thinking - or I guess they aren’t.
Report thisBy cyrena, June 13, 2008 at 7:03 pm #
You’re right Ed..
”...Whoa. Theres a blatant gap in Mr. Cohens history of these people. Between the 1992 Defense Planning Guidance and the 1997 founding of PNAC, there is the 1996 Clean Break paper…”
I noticed this myself, but not until I re-read it..I got side tracked when I read of the first 1992 effort the Defense Planning Guide, because I dont remember that. Or, if I did, I guess I didnt connect it to this same Cabal.
No, I take that back. I cant have heard of the contents of the DPG before now..the advocating of pre-emptive attacks with nukes, chem./bio weapons etc. Because, thats what shocked me when I read this yesterday. Thats when I guess I got side tracked.
But yeah he doesnt mention the Clean Break paper, OR the fact that theyd sent the request to Clinton in 1997 to do the overthrow then.
Wonder why Clinton didn’t go for it?
Report thisBy cyrena, June 13, 2008 at 6:49 pm #
JBlack this sounds very much like a threat, and Im not the only one observing it as such..
It truly is creepy to be constantly attacked, isnt it? It doesnt really feel good, right? I hope Im getting through to you.
So no youre not getting through to me, but you ARE harassing me, and Im not sure what your point is. Are you getting some sort of satisfaction from this? Is says a lot if you are.
Scotty, what do you mean by this? Ill repost it exactly as youve written it.
Cyrena, they are not attacking you because they are sick and tired of all your bullshit, belittling of people, and race baiting.
So then, why ARE you attacking me scott? You say its NOT this, but that has been all Ive heard from rus, jblack, and you. So, what exactly is it, that has made you all feel belittled? I mentioned earlier that Ive collected nearly 30 posts between russ and jblack, that are direct attacks and accusations of my belittling people, though only they interpret it as such.
Meantime, as Ive mentioned, you all just continue to make yourselves look foolish and insecure.
Report thisBy cyrena, June 13, 2008 at 5:57 pm #
Rus7355 or whatever
Ive made a similar request to JBlack, and Im now going to make the same request of you on this open forum. Ive so far collected 27 posts between the two of you, that can be viewed as nothing more than vicious and visceral PERSONAL attacks against me, each and every one of them unwarranted and more importantly, UNPROVOKED.
Be advised. Youre treading dangerous ground here. Personal attacks dont bode well on these forums, and while Ive already given you enough rope to hang yourselves, I really hate to be the result of your suicides.
Let it go guys. Or, get a room, and keep it between the two of you.
Stalking and hate speech is a criminal offense.
Report thisBy xyzaffair, June 13, 2008 at 5:56 pm #
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John McCain is no hero. He’s no Dwight Eisenhower, who led a daring and risky campaign against a murderous aggressor, and warned the nation about the dangers of unchecked military build-up upon leaving office. John McCain bombed people from thousands of feet in the air; people who only wanted to be free of unwanted foreign influence.
Report thisBy cann4ing, June 13, 2008 at 5:28 pm #
Code Pink had the best response to Mad Dog McCain’s “Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.”
Using the same Beach Boy’s refrain from “Barbara Ann” a group of women who, unlike McCain, could actually carry a tune and harmonize, broke out with:
“Oh John McCain
Report this“You are insane
“Don’t bomb, bomb,
“bomb, bomb Iran.”
By dick, June 13, 2008 at 5:14 pm #
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Clearly, McClain is a neo-con himself, alligned with the neocons who place Israel’s interests ahead of all else, and who control the middle east policies of the current Admin and Congress. But both partys are in lock-step in this regard. There is no difference, as anyone watching the recent APAIC meeting can readily confirm. Israel is in control.
Report thisBy August West, June 13, 2008 at 3:48 pm #
Very enlightening article by Mr. Cohen proving that he McCain is likely to carry on the ruinous foreign policy of the GWB administration. I was very disturbed to read in the article that John Bolton is being considered as a possible Secretary of State in a McCain government. How about Paul Wolfowitz as Secretary of War? Or how about a spry 67-year-old Dick Cheney as Vice President? The 22nd Amendment doesn’t say anything about limiting the service of the Veep. The NeoCons would be digging life again.
Report thisBy ArmyDaddy, June 13, 2008 at 3:42 pm #
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This isn’t about “keeping American power” Mr. Cohen, this is an ideology that started during the Reagan Era that’s gotten out of control. It is an ideology hijacked by the same people who are chanting for a war against Iran. And these people think everybody is wrong except them.
These people will never get enough of war. There is NO plan, it is just gluttony and they want more and more war. McCain Presidency, I hope not, like Reagans will be hijacked. McCain is a perfect tool The hell with the American people, Constitution or the New World our forefathers set out to create base on forward thinking. The American forefathers are probably boiling with anger.
There is no plan or thought to what these people are doing, just and ideology that has been formulating for 28 years, not just since Baby Bush took over.
Report thisBy cyrena, June 13, 2008 at 12:43 pm #
..Cyrena writes; The comments here so far, (aside from JPS)...-who happens to agree with Ms. Cyrena-
Youre proving my point again. Youre unhinged, and totally obsessed with attacking me. Can you even engage the material, or do you just live to attack me?
How do you get from these comments that JPS happens to agree with me?
Get some meds or something JBlack, and see if you cant somehow get me off of your mind. Im not the least bit flattered by your attention. Its really, really, creepy to be stalked by a psychopath.
Go away. Check in with your buddy, the ex-pres who you say is a Constitutional scholar, even though hes been disbarred from practicing law in a federal court. Check in with him. Maybe he has something that will calm you down. Or, check-in with his wife, Hillary Rodham. She might be able to save your other best buddy, GW Bush. She did once before you know.
Yep, she represented him when she was with the Rose Law firm. They had to save him from the investors that he defrauded when he bankrupted Harken Oil. (he did that with several companies). They got him off though, and he went on to become a puppet moron who bankrupted the entire USA.
Have a great day JBlack.
Report thisBy ocjim, June 13, 2008 at 12:06 pm #
We could cite many reasons to reject McSame. His radical military policy, although he has advocated it for years, could be explained away by saying it will soften if he becomes president. This is doubtful and obviously is not worth the risk.
But with the recent Supreme Court vote regarding detainees in Cuba—Justice 5, Brutality 4—McCain has let it be known specifically that he would appoint justices like 2 of the brutes: Roberts and Alito. Vote for McSame and get more surety that your rights will be taken away.
Yes, supporters can still vote for someone they might want to have a beer with, that is, if it’s before curfew.
Report thisBy Amon Drool, June 13, 2008 at 11:53 am #
jackpine…your last post brings to mind the last couple of months of the nixon administration. the trick knew he was goin’ down and he had begun to drink heavily. officials close to him began to worry…after all, this was a guy who had his hand on the “button.” it’s been said that haig alerted the joint chief of staff members to be wary of any “let’s start lobbing the big ones” orders from the executive branch.
Report thisi wasn’t exactly exactly thrilled when gates came in as secretary of DOD. but now it don’t look so bad. the bush sr./scowcraft/gates wing of the repubs seems to be a little more prudent. we can only hope.
By felicity, June 13, 2008 at 11:20 am #
Naive me had always thought that when all else failed Congress, which afterall is supposed to represent the interests of the common citizen, would hold the habitually deviant Executive Branch in check.
Today I read that members of Congress have approximately $150 million worth of investments in major U.S. military contractors. So much for any ‘check’ by Congress on massive defense spending.
Anybody know if it’s possible to access financial holdings of members of Congress? We need names.
Report thisBy Timothy1119, June 13, 2008 at 11:07 am #
At least if republicans could build an economy that could pay for all this stuff that would be something!
Report thisBy Ed Harges, June 13, 2008 at 10:59 am #
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Whoa. There’s a blatant gap in Mr. Cohen’s history of these people. Between the 1992 Defense Planning Guidance and the 1997 founding of PNAC, there is the 1996 “Clean Break” paper.
It was written for an Israeli think tank by several nominally “American” Israel-centric neocons led by Richard Perle. Perle personally presented the paper to Israeli prime minister Netanyahu.
The plan (full title “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm”) was concerned with the Israeli “realm”, not the American one. And it called for a massive series of wars to destroy Israel’s rivals Iraq, Iran, and Syria (and perhaps beyond), and to expand Israel’s borders. Netanyahu said it was too big a job for Israel to do.
Let’s see ... maybe some other country could do it for Israel instead?
The next year, PNAC was founded, by many of the same people and more of their Israel-centric friends, and what do you know? The PNAC plan called for much the same “solutions” for the Middle East - but in the PNAC plan it was all dressed up as something for United States interests, to secure the US “realm”.
There was a new emphasis on grabbing all that oil, and achieving great glory for the United States (“See? It only happens to be what Israel wants, too!”)
And guess what? Perle later became chairman of Bush’s Defense Policy Board, and many of his like-minded buddies became close advisers to Cheney and Bush or members of the administration.
And many are prominent Washington “defense” think tank pundits and op-ed columnists constantly appearing on TV “news” and commentary shows as “experts” explaining to us why we have to wage all these wars that just happen to be in Israel’s strategic interests, though America just happens to be doing all the necessary dying and killing and going bankrupt and all.
Report thisBy purplewolf, June 13, 2008 at 10:58 am #
The fact this continues is no surprise. Remember keep dumbing down the American public. It makes me ashamed to be an American when such corruptness still continues, done underhandly of course.In fact McCain continues shows he is another puppet. His mental stability in the past few days on the news has been questionable. He is either delusional, or so out of touch with the reality of the world. Also will the rest of the world allow the US to take over?After all we are bankrupt. So to pay for this massive undertaking, we are borrowing money from around the world. Maybe they should cut off the money supply as we all know these rich egomaniacs will not spend one cent of their ill gotten monies on this madness.
America has roughly 300 million people in it and the world has over 6 billion. And not everyone in this country is capable of being a soldier in the take over of the world plans of these power freaks. Sure they can hire some guns to help in the take over, but it seems impossible that the rest of the world would allow the power corrupt of America to take over the whole world. McCain also has talked of keeping Cheney in his inner circle of corruption-not as VP as he claims they are too much alike. How he can claim he is not Bush3 makes no sense. Much like most of what he says on the campaign trail. We can hope that these people will not be allowed to steal yet another election.
Their plan to the comment,“they hate us for our freedoms, is false, since we have lost more of our freedoms since this administration stole the presidency in 2000, they should love us more as we are less free as a society they we were before Bush/Cheney/McCain?
Lets hope that the rest of the world tells the “bullies who want the whole pie for themselves,” that they are not interested in these pipe dreams of the current government and will no longer assist them with the monies to continue this delusion. America cannot take care of and run itself properly as it is now and is in no way capable of over seeing the whole world. This administration is the spoiled brat child who demands all the toys from those who outgrew them long ago.
Report thisBy jackpine savage, June 13, 2008 at 10:44 am #
My apologies for speaking in metaphor…
I agree with some other posters on this thread: this is not “news”...in that it is not new. All of this information was available before the 2000 election. All of this information was available after 9/11, etc.
Keep in mind that these men, Trotskyites from way back, have been scheming and dreaming of this plan for world domination for most of their adult lives. They’ve weaved themselves in and out of government service since the Nixon administration. That is, they aren’t going to go away with the election of Sen Obama.
However, the next six months or so represent their last best, real chance to fully implement their plans. Things are falling apart. They bungled their evil masterplan. Sure, they don’t mind a war torn Iraq, but Iraq was supposed to be a dustup before moving on to Iran. Moreover, Iraq was supposed to display the overwhelming superiority of the American military machine and frighten the bejeesus out of everyone. Reality has been unkind to to these old radical leftwing, communist world revolutionaries. It is the same reality that caused them to swing so far to the right and take on fascism instead of communism. (though here is a good place to point out how close the extremes really are)
McCain is no guarantee that they will be able to continue their plan unmolested, but Obama means trouble as it is harder to invaded countries from outside of government service. In this respect, they are like cornered rodents…and cornered rodents are unpredictable.
While the world focuses on the presidential election, i fear that we will not pay enough attention to the current “government” of these United States. And the next six months are - in my humble opinion - the most dangerous six months of American history. These men have nothing left to lose and only one serious shot left at the brass ring.
Report thisBy Purple Girl, June 13, 2008 at 9:38 am #
What this article proves far more than Mac’s complicty- is the Decades in which this Doctrine has been operating- Kissinger, and of course the Boys who stepped out of the Shadows to ‘Run’ this admin-Cheney Rummy Wolfie. And Finally Proves those in the Media who we have always Known to be on the Take- or Insane.
Report thisI was shocked by 9/11 but NOT surprised.The massiveness of the attack dwarfed all previous- but was a Logical progression when taken into Historical context.
Of Course I may be still be far too naive- if these were their Goals before 9/11 in does not take a giant leap to consider they were responsible for 9/11.Their actions since have proven the convenience and Necessity of such an event to kick start their end game.
Granted I place blame squarely at the Feet of these Oil men for Reckless Endangerment from their Business Practice and Stratedgies, It is no great feat to place Forethought and malice regarding 9/11 on their doorstep too.I consider these ‘goals’ as incontrovertable Evidence to support such high Crime Charges.
W’s words ‘Hate You for your Freedoms’ was a admission of Motivation and intent, Substantiated by their actions against US over the last 8 yrs.
By AT, June 13, 2008 at 9:01 am #
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all this was done in your name and money.
Report thisBy Amon Drool, June 13, 2008 at 1:04 am #
WOO HOO!!!!
the grand dame of truthdig, cyrena, has once again let us know that we just don’t “get it.” like this info about the pnac hasn’t been out there for a long time. rahul mahajan wrote the book Full Spectrum Dominance telling this whole story about the pnac in 2003. thanks to elliot cohen, though, for making mcCain’s connection to this group explicit.
Report thisBy cyrena, June 13, 2008 at 12:40 am #
The comments here so far, (aside from JPS) make it pretty clear that EITHER these folks never read the article, or are clearly and forever trapped in the rabbit hole.
They don’t seem to get it, EVEN WHEN ALL OF THE DOTS ARE CONNECTED FOR THEM.
HELLO OUT THERE!! Does ANYBODY understand the significance of the PNAC and its policy that has FINALLY been realized, (they first put this plan together back in 1992 folks) in the disaster that is our so-called government?
I’m gonna give some benefit of the doubt here. I know this was a long article. It took me a while to get through it myself, because it is SO FULL of the REAL GOODS! CONFIRMATION folks, of what we’ve only so far suspected, and been able to half-assed put together. It’s ALL here. One would have to be a complete imbecile to NOT make the connection between the members of the PNAC, and THEIR TOTALITARIAN PLAN (that makes Hitler’s and others look like a disorganized motley crew) to take over the flippin’ world, YOU INCLUDED!
The fact that these connections have been made to John McCain should scare the living shit out of anybody! Forget all the other stuff that’s wrong with him, or the other crimes that he and his current wife have committed, (hers..theft due to her former drug addiction) because compared to THIS, it’s all small stuff.
So, READ IT AGAIN, or READ IT the first time for Christ’s sake! This is one of THE BEST pieces Ive read since The Coup, to actually shed light and provide the necessary connections and documentation for who/how/why our country and our government has been highjacked. THIS EXPLAINS IT! Now that might go right over the heads of those who still havent figured out that theyve been highjacked. A massive propaganda machine has kept most of us in the dark I admit. Besides THAT, the secrecy of this entire operation, (absolutely necessary in order to carry it out) has made it difficult to put all of this together. (especially for the average American who gets all of their information, -or none at all- from the MSM).
The ONLY difference from this Totalitarian operation, (the PNAC regime in power now) is that as a general rule, these regimes like Hitlers Nazis, or even Stalin or Mussolinis gang, dont generally groom SUCCESSORS! That is NOT the case here. These guys have their successor in John McCain, and after this, in either Jeb Bush, or one of the others. READ THE ARTICLE and LEARN something about your fate!
There will be a test. Concentrate on the IDEOLOGY first. (thats always a fundamental component of any Authoritarian State where Totalitarianism is the goal). And if you cant figure that out, or understand the connections that the author makes for you, read the last page and TRUST that he knows what hes talking about!! (even if you dont)..which is the continuation of a DICTATORSHIP!
Report thisBy miroslav, June 12, 2008 at 11:49 pm #
either with mccain or the neo-liberal obama. hard whisky or a smooth chocolate milkshake with your poison, what’s the diff?
Report thisBy NKPSOW VET, June 12, 2008 at 11:13 pm #
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The following website produced by some of McCain’s fellow POWs has been around a while.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
Also, remember his Admiral Dad helped to cover up the USS Liberty attack by the Israelis.
Do you really want this blow hard as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Maybe his VP can be Bill O’Rielly.
Report thisBy Amon Drool, June 12, 2008 at 9:50 pm #
jps…haven’t seen a post from u in a while. i was affeared that u left over the non-credo flap. i’m not so sure i “get it.” altho i do know that in my darker moments i wish that americans would give the same treatment to bush/cheney that the italians gave to benito m.
Report thisBy jackpine savage, June 12, 2008 at 9:19 pm #
I once worked at an apartment complex. One morning, i noticed a very sick skunk in one of the parking lots…foaming at the mouth, the whole bit. A very sick animal, feeling trapped is always a somewhat dangerous thing…especially if they can make you stink.
I suggested to my boss that we either A. throw a sheet over it and bash it to death with a shovel or B. run it over with the truck. (i wasn’t about to remove it alive) Mr Boss man didn’t like either of those ideas. He called the police.
So there i was, standing in the parking lot when the cop pulled up. We talked for a minute; he was pissed about getting called for a sick skunk. He asked why we didn’t throw a sheet over it and bash it to death or run it over. I discreetly pointed to the boss, sitting in the truck like a ninny.
He stepped to the side and nodded at the shovel in my hand. I gave the skunk a quick flip onto the grass. As the officer stepped towards the squirming skunk, he drew his side arm and popped it twice.
The boss drove away; the cop called in the discharge; and i disposed of the skunk and apologized to the Asian woman who was taking her children to the car when the shoots were fired.
Get it?
Report thisBy kath cantarella, June 12, 2008 at 8:34 pm #
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And yet they don’t fear McCain. i can’t understand it.
Is the conservative media that powerful? It must be, there’s no other explanation.
Report thisBy Amon Drool, June 12, 2008 at 8:32 pm #
this article and the inability of americans to break the 2 party duopoly are the reasons why a “lesser-evilism” vote is again necessary in 2008
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