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Giving Israel a Pass

Posted on Feb 1, 2008

By Barry Lando

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Israel’s own domestic Jewish critics, far more vociferous than most Jews abroad, point out that there is another way to end the rocket attacks from Gaza against Israeli settlers: Start talking with Hamas. You wouldn’t know it from most of the American media, but Hamas has, in fact, repeatedly offered a cease-fire if Israel will also cease targeted assassinations and attacks on Gaza.

Israel, however, refuses to talk to Hamas. To do so would be to recognize the movement, just as the United States refuses to open unconditional talks with Iran. Instead, the Israeli government continues its bloody dead-end policies.

I was in the course of such reflections when I received the e-mail alert from my wife about the purported end of Holocaust studies in the UK.

Of course, one way of not forgetting the Holocaust would be for the same people who call for a global “chain of memory” to also condemn both Hamas’ rocket attacks and Israel’s brutal policies, and demand that Israel explore the Hamas offer of a cease-fire. What better option does Israel have?

It’s as if, because of the horrendous suffering of Jews in the Holocaust, Israel has won the right to ignore international law, to visit mayhem on civilians and terrorist fighters alike in the name of national survival. It’s been given a free pass. Those attacking the country’s policies are either hopelessly naive, anti-Semites or self-hating Jews.


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That’s the position of AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee), the very conservative Washington lobby which claims to represent most American Jews interested in Israel. AIPAC has donned this mantle by default. Surveys indicate that the majority of American Jews hold views more liberal than most Americans. The problem is they no longer feel strongly tied to or concerned about Israel. Many other Jews, though morally uncomfortable with Israel’s policies, have kept silent, not wanting to publicly criticize the Zionist state. 

The upshot is that the role of lobbying U.S. policy in the Middle East has been left to organizations whose members do strongly care about Israel, like AIPAC.

AIPAC doesn’t dictate single-handedly Washington’s Middle Eastern policy, but it is one of the most powerful lobbies in the capital. That’s a fact Jews relish discussing among themselves, but are quick to brand an anti-Semitic fabrication if the charge is made publicly.

A few years back I did a report on AIPAC for “60 Minutes” with Mike Wallace. One after another, all the congressional offices I contacted confirmed the tremendous influence that AIPAC wielded, and the fear that could be inspired by an AIPAC threat to target a particular candidate. 

We were, however, unable to convince a single sitting House member, senator or staff person to talk on the record. Not that they disagreed with the premise. They were just terrified of taking about AIPAC.

That included the late John Chafee, the powerful U.S. senator from Rhode Island, who at the time was being targeted by AIPAC in his re-election campaign. Normally a stalwart supporter of Israel, Chafee had once contravened AIPAC policy by voting to supply an AWACS plane to Saudi Arabia.

When the report was finally aired, it was the target of more irate mail and phone calls from Jewish organizations across the country than just about any other report I ever did for “60 Minutes.”

There are signs, however, that the situation could be changing, that more Jewish individuals and groups in the United States—as well as in Europe—are willing to criticize Israel’s policies. Groups like Peace Now, activists like Rabbi Michael Lerner in California, journalists and bloggers like Richard Silverstein, who recently forwarded me the Sara Roy essay I’ve quoted above, which says in part:

” ... The Jewish community demands unity and conformity: ‘Stand with Israel’ read the banners on synagogues throughout Boston last summer. Unity around what? There is enormous pressure—indeed coercion—within organized American Jewry to present an image of ‘wall to wall unity’ as a local Jewish leader put it. But this unity is an illusion—at its edges a smoldering flame rapidly engulfing its core—for mainstream Jewry does not speak for me or for many other Jews. And where such unity exists, it is hollow built around fear not humanity, on the need to understand reality as it has long been constructed for us—with the Jew as the righteous victim, the innocent incapable of harm.”

A solemn visit to the Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem was de rigueur for President George W. Bush during his recent trip to Israel, just as it is for any other foreign dignitary. Israel uses these ceremonies to convey a message: You see, Mr. President and the world looking in, this is what our people suffered from our enemies. This is why we have the right—indeed the duty—to act in any way we judge necessary to ensure our nation’s survival.

Imagine, instead a different message: This is to put you on notice, Mr. President and the rest of the world. We ask that you join with us in our determination to ensure that such atrocities as we Jews suffered shall never again be visited on any people by any state—including our own.

Barry M. Lando, a graduate of Harvard and Columbia University, spent 25 years as an award-winning investigative producer with “60 Minutes.” Author of numerous articles about Iraq, he produced a documentary about Saddam Hussein that has been shown around the world. He lives in Paris. His latest book is “Web of Deceit: The History of Western Complicity in Iraq, From Churchill to Kennedy to George W. Bush.”

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By Douglas Chalmers, February 16, 2008 at 12:08 am Link to this comment

By mark cohen, February 15: “Is there a way I can locate my comment… and other comments on this article…”

As an unregistered commenter, you haven’t a chance. This is a “blog” but not a “forum”, MC, sad to say. In other words, for regular commenters, it is a frustrating incompetent mess.

They are happy to run it that way because they have no respect for us, treat us as idiots, and don’t appreciate our contributions anyway, uhh. Supposedly its a “news” blog and not a “discussion” forum.

The reason for all that is because it was started by a supposedly trendy California professor of journalism but the only people he is interested in have $$MONEY or lots of “summa cum laude” accolades at the very least. He also hates the wives of former presidents. Fuck them all!

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By mark cohen, February 15, 2008 at 9:04 am Link to this comment
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I have only found one comment to Barry lando’s article.
My own comment does not appear.
Is there a way I can locate my comment( I have no copy because I was certain to find it on your web site) and other comments on this article?
Thank you in advance,

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By cyrena, February 9, 2008 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment


You are also very astute…and insightful in this analysis of lilmamzer. She’s been posting this crap for well over a year, and appears periodically to new audiences, so I suspect there is more than one of her.

But, it’s always the same old stuff. She doesn’t get it though, even after all of this time, that we DO see through her. If not IMMEDIATELY, than it doesn’t take long. A few comments will do it.

One of the constant repetitions is that the Arabs want to DESTROY Israel. It’s such a farce, because for one thing, it’s never been a literal intention of Arabs or Palestinians to physically DESTROY Israel. Still, the neurotic Zionist loves to use that, as has
the good dr. rivka.

And, yes..Patrick Henry is right on the mark here, specifically on the suicide bombings, though admittedly those operations on the part of the Palestinians have become exceedingly rare. Still, when a people have NO access to self-determination, and NO other means by which to fight back or gain even the slightest measure of political authority over themselves, then yep…political violence in the form of suicide bombings is a natural outcome.

The terror that the Israelis direct toward the Palestinians is more horrific than I think I could even have imagined, if I’d not seen it myself, even sometimes from a distance, but over an extended period of time. It’s otherwise too much to fathom. It shocks the imagination of a civilized conscience. Because, it’s not ONLY what we finally manage to read about in our own media…it’s far, far worse.

So many imprisoned, in Gaza and the West Bank. And so much torture too. The torture practiced by the US that is finally coming to the surface/attention of the US public…HERE, has been ROUTINE for the Israelis to practice on the Palestinians for decades.

But, we don’t even hear of that.

Anyway..lilmamzer isn’t going to wake up. There’s no doubt that lilmamzer knows exactly what she’s doing, and her perfidy will continue.

She likes getting a rise out of the people on this blog. It’s like a sickness that I can’t put a name to. We need a forensic psychiatrist for that. Someone well versed in the worst of the pathologies of the mind.

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By PatrickHenry, February 9, 2008 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

Good doctor, You fail to mention the terror the Israelis use against innocent Palistinians in the form of errantly aimed munitions from U.S. supplied platforms, cutting power, fuel, medicines against an imprisoned populace.

What grates my ass is as an American citizen I am supporting it, albeit against my wishes.

When all a person has left is their life to protest and avenge the death of family, friends and community, then you have the suicide bomber. 

Israel only has itself to blame for this insurgency and the deaths of its citizendry by its own heavy handed tactics.

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By Douglas Chalmers, February 9, 2008 at 5:20 am Link to this comment

By Dr.Rivka Shpak Lissak, February 9: “The Palestinians were never Israeli Citizens, and the issue is not human rights. Israel and the Palestinans represent 2 nationalities with claim on the same territory…”

How typically precious of the Jewish/Zionist conspirators to mask their own quest for expansionism, hegemony and parasitic control of nations such as the USA by proclaiming that the oppression of Palestinians in their own land by a pack of European invaders is somehow “not a human rights issue: its a clash”, uhh.

Anyone who knows a Jew must have guilt in order for them to weave their evil spell of influence over others. Make not a wrong assumption that they are admirable “humanists”. They are not - and they regard all others as inferior and themselves as “the chosen ones”. They are only manipulating you through your sympathies and inherited guilt fantasies.

The most foolish thing the West ever did was to accept Christianity as a derivative of a Judeo religion. Of course, the illusion that god was then somehow “over there” in a fabled “holy land” made it alright for the kings and priests in Europe to continue their own malicious influences and self-aggrandizements unfettered.

But inevitably, they became caught in their own cleft stick. Better also to let Israel become caught in the results of its own machinations instead of helping it on a path to an otherwise inevitable nuclear war. The USA and Russia and China can play games with each other interminably but the Jews are playing for keeps. They know what will happen WHEN they eventually lose.

Israel established an apartheid regime because, like the white South African Dutch and English “settler society”, they were willing to pay the price of being seen to abuse the rights of others in their own land in order to be able to remain there. That is, they were never really welcome once their self-seeking land-grabbing intentions became known - and they didn’t care.

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By Dr.Rivka Shpak Lissak, February 9, 2008 at 1:56 am Link to this comment
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Those who deny the right of Jews for self- determination, and would like to see Israel disappear, try to make the world believe that the issue between Israel and the Palestinians os a human rights issue. That’s why they say Israel established an apartheid regime.
This is untrue.The Palestinians were never Israeli Citizens, and the issue is not human rights.
Israel and the Palestinans represent 2 nationalities with claim on the same territory. The Palestinians use terror against Israeli children and citizens and Israel has no choice but to protect its citizens by fighing terror.
Unfortunately, the terrorist act among its citizens, and thus sometimes citizens are hurt.

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By Mossada, February 8, 2008 at 5:16 am Link to this comment
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That was very astute.

I think Lilmamzer and her Mossad wannabes like to play double talk.  They are exactly the kind of people who want it both ways. To be considered “special” and yet still don’t like to be singled out.  They are either totally ruthless, or act like little lost lambs.

Would you believe there is a healthier debate in Israel over the rights and wrongs of the occupation than there is Stateside.

Wouldn’t it be refreshing if they admit the mistakes they make, as we all do from time to time and stop setting themselves up as the “Chosen People”.  As history tells us, the Nazis (the Chosen People) dehumanized the Jews in order to “purify” Germany.  The irony seems always lost on us all when we see Jews dehumanize Palestinians as vermin to that same end.

I’m surprised all the more because I hold many people (who coincidentally happen to be Jewish) in high esteem for their humanism and contribution to world culture.

Now, Lilmamzer can foam at the mouth about how we are all bigoted and anti semitic.  I know that is just some cheap way of putting us Goy Scum on the defensive.  But it’s people like her that perpetuate this warped perception of the “duplicitous” Jew; She may well be actively reinforcing with this double talking smart ass attitude.

I know I’m not Jewish but does Lilmamzer actually think we don’t see through her?  I hope she wakes up an joins the rest of us groudlings.  Or would that be too Goy?

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By Potassium, February 7, 2008 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment
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My thoughts exactly ............

but the bad news is I passed that stage not to long ago and that means you are in for a bumpy ride on the road to bad news .......... i am a couple of steps ahead of you and all i saw was discouraging and bad.

Some of these “chosen” are most probably the choice IDIOTS.

I hear its just the ones called the “KHAZARS” but i fear the worst ............

And I must salute PatrikHenry for his patience in trying to reason with such KNUCKLEHEADS ..... i gave up a long time back now i only discuss things with nonzionists. Zionists are only full of hogwash.

ITS a pity that these are America’s Darlings, America, the beacon of freedom & Democracy.

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By PatrickHenry, February 7, 2008 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

Is this you lilmamzer?

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By cyrena, February 7, 2008 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Excellent points, and hardly slanted. These historical truths, minus the ideological zealotry of the lil mamzers of the world, (if only we could just be off with their heads) are lost in the rhetoric. Too bad more folks don’t study their history. It explains so much…

Thanks Zeitgeist…

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By Sodium, February 7, 2008 at 1:09 am Link to this comment
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Re:Lilmamzer’s posts

All this asshole’s posts do not make sense.

If all Israelis are also assholes like him/her,
no wonder they are disliked by vast majority of
the people of the world.

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By amunaor, February 6, 2008 at 10:23 pm Link to this comment

<Time may stand still for you, “zeitgeist”>

As they say, “the more things change, the more they stay the same.


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By lilmamzer, February 6, 2008 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

By PatrickHenry, February 6

Those 12 “tribes” have been warring with each other and their neighbors for over 5000 years of treachery, deceit and luck, which the jewish inspired and written bible accredits to god.


What a scholarly and absolutley brilliant analysis.
Please share more of your most learned wisdom with us.

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By PatrickHenry, February 6, 2008 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

Those 12 “tribes” have been warring with each other and their neighbors for over 5000 years of treachery, deceit and luck, which the jewish inspired and written bible accredits to god.


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By lilmamzer, February 6, 2008 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

Israel is a semitic nation, ethnically the same as the surrounding countries & Palistine. Judaism (being jewish) is a religious leap of faith from being a semite.  I laugh when jews describe themselves as being atheists.

What a scholar you are.


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By PatrickHenry, February 6, 2008 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

It only exists as long as its U.S. Military Aid flows. I speak for many who would like to that Military Aid stopped and any financial outlays and government contracts terminated.

Israel is a semitic nation, ethnically the same as the surrounding countries & Palistine. Judaism (being jewish) is a religious leap of faith from being a semite.  I laugh when jews describe themselves as being atheists. 

In a time of deficit spending we Americans should be keeping this money at home.

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By Paracelsus, February 6, 2008 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

Israel’s women will regret the invasion of southern Lebanon, if only for the cancers in their breasts from the uranium infused bombs thrown at the Lebanonese. I predict Israel will collapse from within. They are their own worst enemies. Hamas doesn’t have to do a thing.

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By lilmamzer, February 6, 2008 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

blah blah blah

can’t you come with any new bigoted (and demonstrably false) talking points?

How dare these people lob anemic rockets over their ghetto walls, as if they had a right to protest their enslavement?

How dare the Jews resist the openly stated Hamas policy (as enshrined in its Charter) to destroy the sovereign homeland of the Jewish nation and slaughter its inhabitants? (that’s genocide by any definition, “CHAMISA”)

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By lilmamzer, February 6, 2008 at 4:08 pm Link to this comment

blah blah blah

can’t you come with any new bigoted (and demonstrably false) talking points?

How dare these people lob anemic rockets over their ghetto walls, as if they had a right to protest their enslavement?

How dare the Jews resist the openly stated Hamas policy (as enshrined in its Charter) to destroy the sovereign homeland of the Jewish nation and slaughter its inhabitants? (that’s genocide by any definition, “CHAMISA”)

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By lilmamzer, February 6, 2008 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

Regardless of your slanted take on history, the State of Israel is a reality, and is a thriving and sovereign multi-ethnic democracy whose citizens have as much right to resist the imperialistic and genocidal Arab Muslim aggression as would any nation beset by similar enemies.

Time may stand still for you, “zeitgeist”, but it doesn’t for the Jewsih nation in its own national homeland - a living symbol of self-determination against existential threats no other nation on the planet has to suffer from at the present time.

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By amunaor, February 6, 2008 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

chamisa and Paracelsus, to fully understand the psychology of the forces at play here, one must go back and test the preponderance of prevailing winds which propelled and breath life into the Balfour Declaration. Much of the impetus for Zionism rode on the back of delirious Christian sympathies both in England and America, seeking the prophetic return of their mythologized, dying god character of Constantine’s plagiarized amalgamation, who thought it necessary to blast a chunk of dirt out of Palestine for this to occur; this was the real underlying thrust and motive.

Once this is understood, it becomes clear that Israel is Israel in name only, but in reality it wears the xenophobic Neo-Roman coat of Constantine; the Atonist; Sol In Victus.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By lilmamzer, February 6, 2008 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

US Representative Garrett proposes resolution to condemn Kassam attacks - Feb 6, 2008  

Washington, DC - US Representative Scott Garrett (R- NJ) proposed a resolution Wednesday, condemning the ongoing Palestinian rocket attacks on Israeli civilian communities.

“Since January 1st of this year, terrorists have fired more than 420 rockets and mortar shells at Israeli communities like Sderot and Ashkelon. Residents of these areas have suffered egregious damage and casualties. The quality of life of the Israeli people has dramatically decreased in these targeted areas. It is critical that Congress work to help the peace-loving people of Israel and the Palestinian territories end these aggressive actions,” Garrett said.

In a statement, Garrett went on to say that he would “continue to fight” to ensure that terrorist organizations like Hamas and the Islamic Jihad are held responsible for launching such attacks, and further that countries like Iran and Syria that support these terrorist are held accountable too.

“The United States and the global community should embrace Palestinians who reject all forms of terrorism and who desire to live in peace,” he said.

“The United States and the global community should embrace Palestinians who reject all forms of terrorism and who desire to live in peace,” he said. 

Buehler? Buehler? Buehler?

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By CHAMISA, February 6, 2008 at 11:06 am Link to this comment
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Remarkably, the pro-Israeli, pro-Zionist posts I’ve been reading here, attempt to persuade the uninformed reader that Palestinians should be thankful for those lovely concrete, barbed wire walls that continue to reinforce a Ghetto shut-in that makes Warsaw look like a country club. How dare these people lob anemic rockets over their ghetto walls, as if they had a right to protest their enslavement?  They should be thankful for the five hour checkpoint waits that allow them do menial labor for the Israeli lords, even if it means aborting, dropping dead while waiting, or simply being turned away. 
Their missed opportunity was a refusal to turn their homeland over to any foreigner whose jewish identity was the only qualification and grounds to dispossess natives with centuries old roots, and to accept the bantustanization of their land.  The random attacks on presumed “militants” and civilian populations for daring to defy their lot is mostly ignored by the world. However, Israel’s sophisticated weaponry (thanks to the USA) moves into civilian populations by land and air with barbaric results and is considered defense of security, rather than unabashed terrorism.  Remember Jenin?  If not, take a look at a town reduced to rubble.  The world has good reason to anticipate some catastrophic end to this horror.

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By weather, February 6, 2008 at 5:16 am Link to this comment
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Im afraid you went right over is compromised little head w/your post.

Israel would much rather be right than happy, ultimately they’re neither and it shows.

While that spiritual malady is truly their problem, its infected us now too and therein lies the pathology. Very lovely

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By Paracelsus, February 6, 2008 at 12:48 am Link to this comment

The Slaughter at Dueima

If the Deir Yasin massacre was carried out by the “rightist” Revisionist Zionist underground organizations, IZL and Lehi, like massacres occurred on a similar scale throughout the country. The massacre at Dueima in 1948 was perpetrated by the official Labor Zionist Israeli army, the Israel Defense Forces (Tzeva Haganah le-Israel or ZAHAL). The account of the massacre, as described by a soldier who participated in the horror, was published in Davar, the official Hebrew daily newspaper of the Labor-Zionist-run Histadrut General Federation of Workers:

  ... They killed between eighty to one hundred Arab men, women and children. To kill the children they [soldiers] fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one home without corpses. The men and women of the villages were pushed into houses without food or water. Then the saboteurs came to dynamite them.

  One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a building he was about to blow up ... Another soldier prided himself upon having raped an Arab woman before shooting her to death. Another Arab woman with her newborn baby was made to clean the place for a couple of days, and then they shot her and the baby. Educated and well-mannered commanders who were considered “good guys” ... became base murderers, and this not in the storm of battle, but as a method of expulsion and extermination. The fewer the Arabs who remain, the better.

Face it Howard, Israel is a stinky ass country that lives off of the banditry and murder of the previous inhabitants. This just one more reason for every American to quit paying his taxes, for such an action would make it less possible to subsidize the murderuous and genocidal Israeli state.

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By Paracelsus, February 6, 2008 at 12:37 am Link to this comment

The Butchery Begins: Deir Yasin

The process was one of sustained slaughter as village after village was wiped out. The killing was intended to cause people to flee for their lives.

The commander of the Haganah, Zvi Ankori, described what happened: “I saw cut off genitalia and women’s crushed stomachs ... It was direct murder.” [52]

Menachem Begin gloated over the impact throughout Palestine of the Nazi-like operations he commanded at Deir Yasin. Lehi and IZL Commandos stormed the village of Deir Yasin on April 9, 1948, slaughtering 254 men, women and children.

  A legend of terror spread amongst Arabs who were seized with panic at the mention of our Irgun soldiers. It was worth half a dozen battalions to the forces of Israel. Arabs throughout the country ... were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives. This mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. Of the 800,000 Arabs who lived on the present territory of the state of Israel, only some 165,000 are still there. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated. [53

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By Paracelsus, February 6, 2008 at 12:31 am Link to this comment

It is appropriate to review the pervasiveness of this murderous policy and its consequences. In the territory which came under Israeli occupation after Partition there were approximately 950,000 Palestinian Arabs. They inhabited nearly 500 villages and all the major cities, which included Tiberias, Safed, Nazareth, Shafa Amr, Acre, Haifa, Jaffa, Lydda, Ramle, Jerusalem, Majdal (Ashqelon), Isdud (Ashdod) and Beersheba.

After less than six months only 138,000 people remained. (Figures vary from 130,000 to 165,000.)The great majority of Palestinians were killed, forcibly expelled or fled in panic before slaughtering bands of Israeli army units.

Having thus eliminated most of the Palestinian inhabitants from the land of Palestine, the Israeli government undertook the systematic destruction of their homes and possessions. Nearly 400 villages and towns were razed to the ground during 1948 and 1949. More followed in the 1950s.

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Re;Treaty of Versailles February 5


Thank you for the encouragement to keep on posting.

Will do so as circumstances allows and time permits

Nabih Ammari

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By Sepharad, February 5, 2008 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment
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Dawn, if you indeed respect Martin Luther King Jr. you should respect his answer to someone who suggested that to be anti-Zionist was not anti-Semitic. King said that anti-Zionism was nothing but anti-Semitism because it denies the right of the Jewish people to THEIR homeland. Why, of all the people in the world, should the Jews be the only ones who cannot live in their homeland? If you wanted to return to England or whatever country it is that names its daughters Dawn, you could do it. Frenchmen can return to France. What’s the problem? In case you don’t know it, Jews are a PEOPLE. Some of are religious, some of us are not, and we disagree on a regular basis. However, unlike most Arab countries, Israel is a democracy. A West Bank Palestinian farmer was able to persuade the Israeli Supreme Court that the Wall was causing him undue hardship. There are Israeli-Arab members of the Knesset. Non-Jews may but are not compelled to (as Jewish citizens are) to join the IDF. Israeli-Arabs do join the IDF, in large numbers, and serve well. When there was some talk of trading land for peace, re land abutting the West Bank, Israeli-Arab villagers protested mightily, saying they were Israelis and had no desire to become part of Palestine.
Israelis do not give themselves “passes” for atrocities—and we even argue about whether we should be doing what we’re doing in the West Bank—which is comprised of Judea (where do you think “Jews” got their name?) and Samaria. I don’t know what snug, safe little corner of the world you live in, but if your adjoining neighbor sent suicide bombers in on a regular basis and lobbed rockets at your cities for months on end, I’ll bet you’d have screamed for someone to carpetbomb or otherwise exterminate the enemy. Israel is always criticized for its airstrikes, but they are at least trying to pinpoint militants and bombmakers and trying to avoid hitting innocent civilians. Difficult, of course, when Hamas or Hezbollah chooses to launch its rockets from densely populated areas. In contrast, both Hamas and Hezbollah try to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible.
And if you don’t think Israel has a free press, try reading the competing versions and opinions in Ha’aretz, the Jerusalm Post and many other journals of opinion.
What kind of a lunatic are you? How can anyone make you understand that the problem is Arab v. Arab, in terms of oppressor and oppressed. Why do you think the Palestinians are still refugees three generations later? Don’t you realize that at the time the Arabs attacked newborn Israel even more Jews were driven from Arab countries (900,000, in what the Arab League called a “population exchange”) than Arabs who left Israel? Tiny Israel took in those 900,000 and they have built lives for themselves. Look at a map. Look at the size of the Arab territories. Look at where the oil is. Why do you think there are still three million Arabs wailing about their grandparents’ lost homes? By rights, Israel should include all of the West Bank because of the history, because it really is ours. If Jerusalem is so holy to Moslems, why don’t they pray facing it instead of Mecca? But no. We are trying to make peace with a people ruled by fanatics who want nothing but our destruction. The moderate, sensible Palestinians who truly want peace and economic cooperation are hiding behind their shutters—or have already been killed by the Hamas & other loonies for the great crime of cooperating and seeking joint projects, executed as collaborators. Either learn to read or stop writing such crap.

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By Sepharad, February 5, 2008 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment
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Nabih, I’m sure there are many things we disagree on but you’re right about the effects of the harsh Versailles Treaty, which, over the objections of the Americans, the British and French inflicted on the German people. Oppressed people are vulnerable to people who present themselves as saviors then turn into even worse oppressors. Hitler was a disaster for everyone, not just the Jews. But I think it’s important to remember that there were always Jews in what is now Israel, even after the Romans attempted their ethnic cleansing. In the mid 1800s British novelist George Eliot wrote “Daniel DeRonda”, inspired by the stories a rabbi friend just back from Palestine told her about the active agricultural settlements of young Jews. One set of my great-grandparents came to Palestine in the early 1800s, after some of the worst pogroms the Romanians ever inflicted, and other relatives came to Palestine from Spain after the fanatic Almoravids burned the libraries in Cordoba, driving out Moslems as well as Jews, including the great Ibn Rush’d, known as Averroes to Latin speakers, and the Jewish sage Moses Maimonides (who loved Jerusalem but also loved Saladin, acting as his court physician as well as political advisor and chief rabbi for Egypt’s Jews). We Jews draw our very name from Judea; Israel is the name derived from the Beni-Israeli tribe in Canaan before Moses and Joshua; and our language, Hebrew, is related to Hebron.

The fighting between modern Israelis and Arabs—not allowed under the Ottoman empire, who were only interested in their tax revenues—was largely caused by the French and British imperialists via the Balfour Mandate and the Sykes-Picot agreement, under which the Brits gave 78% of Palestine to King Feisal Hussein, who offered all Arabs in Palestine citizenship. Very little was left for the Jews, and the Arabs attacked to deny them even that. Israel’s growth has always followed Arab attacks, taking land from which attacks were launched. Most Israelis truly want to live in peace with economic cooperation with the Palestinians, but the Arabs are simply not interested. Look what happened when Sharon returned Gaza. Constant rocket attacks. Israelis will not make that mistake again.

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By Howard, February 5, 2008 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

You mistyped, I’m sure.  No population was driven away under false pretensions.  The peoples (Pal’s}could have had a state (never had one before) right next to Israel in 1948 when the U.N. to solve the problem of competing claims, set up one land for Israel and one for the Pal’s.  The latter did not want theirs.  Still don’t so long as Israel is going to exist in the neighborhood..  22 Arab states and zillions of acreage and they did not—nor even yet want the 23rd.  Waged war against Israel for the last 60 years since.  Shot themselves in the foot so to speak.
  Israel certainly has a right to exist. By any standard of judgment.  What occupied land?  Left Lebanon, Gaza, and with security will leave the West bank. Note rockets and enmity surround them from the lands where they left. Not hard to see Israel not wanting to give up more. Israel is democratic state.  Would you rather make it one like Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Afghansistan, with daily bombings etc, if you made ONE State. Jeez, even India separated their population few years ago into India and Pakistan. Israel is not going to commit national suicide.
  And talking about refugees, what about the 800,00 Jews who were thrown out of Arab lands in ‘48 ?  All were absorbed by Israel.  Wowzer, neither Egypt or Jordan, or Syria offers to help the Pals. Or really cares. Only Israel, who is really their only potential friend, note potential, wants them to have a peaceful state next to them.
  Just like they were offerd 60 years ago.  Hope the Hamas leaders wake up. Start a country which doesn’t export just suicide bombers.  Millions upon millions of dollars will be thrown at them and to them if they would but get their act together.

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By chamisa, February 5, 2008 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment
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Ideally,though an unlikely scenario, the solution would be to return the land to the indigenous population that was driven from it under false pretexts, terrorism and the Zionist manipulations which decreed that the Jews had more of a legal, bibilical, moral right which nullified ownership of the expropriated people. In fact, Israel has no legal claim to what it calls its “homeland”, not by virtue of any law, declaration or decree.  If so, would someone please explain to me how you create a state on already occupied land?  A Pandora’s box has been opened which puts the entire world at risk so the Jewish people can have their own state.  Israel has no intention of allowing a Palestinian state to exist. Its objective is the taking of all occupied land and deportation of all Palestinians. The only real solution to avoid continued bloodshedding is to revert all this land to a democratic state shared by all people. That’s democracy, not what Israel calls itself. It’s a brutal occupying power, guilty of enormous atrocities and human rights abuses. Remuneration and restitution must be made to the diaspora Palestinians, and those who lost homes and land for the greater glory of Israel.  Sadly, the non-Israeli jewish world, for the most part, gives tacit approval to the barbaric behavior of this state.  At some point there must be an account rendering, and Israel will have to make good for the wanton destruction of land and lives. The greatest obstacle, however, is AIPAC, a foreign lobby that has a vise grip on our elected representatives.  When did you ever hear a US elected official take issue with anything pertaining to Israel? Also, there’s a controlling media that makes Israel the de facto victim.  Wake up America!

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By Mossada, February 5, 2008 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment
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Are you still working for the Mossad?

Just remember this: ANYONE can be totally ruthless.
Try doing the right thing during difficult times.  Now that requires real strength of character.

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By amunaor, February 5, 2008 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

* By Howard, February 5 <The Treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Zionism. Wishful thinking.  Fairy tale.>

Howard, I beg your pardon! The ‘Treaty of Versailles’ was set up under the Auspices of ‘The Royal Institute for International Affairs’ a Rothschild consortium, whose American counterpart is ‘The Counsel on Foreign Relations’.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, February 5, 2008 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

I am no apologist for atrocities perpetrated by any maniacal group or individual whose baser animal ego has commandeered its senses, weather they appear in the form of Stalin, Mussolini, Nero, Hitler or Bush; nor do I seek conspiracy under every rock; nor are my questions meant to incite those same animal instincts resident in each and every one of us, who merely seek cause for excuse to spill more blood.

Having said that, who is it that plays these violin strings, strung over the shells of the ‘useful idiot’; why is it that the House of Rothschild financed both the Bolshevik revolution; with similar large contributions, paving the way towards the foundation of Zionist Israel? On the surface, the two systems would seem to be a contradiction in terms. We have witnessed these historic tactics many times before, where a cabal of multi-national financiers, feed both sides of a conflict while they sit in the middle, beyond scrutiny and reproach. Should we not be allowed to question their motives, or explain their intent?

Hitler may have correctly focused onto this financial cabal, but any lofty aspirations he may have held, failed in the clutches of his base ego, whose animal instinct, morphed into a xenophobic hatred; sailing his ship and crew onto the rocks.

At one time, we were all innocent babies in the mother’s arms, but prevailing winds and the shadows of this realm into which we are born, have shipwrecked many unwary travelers, spooked or seduced by the shadows, we become blind to the rocks ahead.

I was born in Augsburg Germany, shortly in the aftermath of this cauldron, within which the depravity of unleashed animal instincts, from all sides, was beginning to cool to a simmer. Had not my grandmother, on my mother’s side, been forced to flee the 1944 Bolshevik invasion of Latvia, or my father not fallen prey into joining Latvia’s German liberating forces to repel the Bolshevik onslaught, perhaps I too would be Latvian, but I am a sojourner seeking answers, living in America, witnessing the same fearful winds stirring another generation of unwary souls.

The crescendo in heights this animal carnage managed to reach must be framed within the context of forces which permeated the atmosphere of that era, lest we make the same mistake. During the 1st Bolshevik occupation of Latvia, 1939, millions disappeared as enemies of the state; dispatched with either a bullet to the head, or dislodged from their homes; shuttled off to labor camps to ends of the earth. A large fraction of the Latvian population hailed the 1941 German arrival as liberators. Perhaps the enormity of Bolshevik atrocities, uncovered by the incoming Germans, did not justify their own behavior, but it did, nevertheless, trip the circuits in the animal, resulting in a barbarous blood-letting of revenge. Everyone and everything grew suspect with complicity, to its narrow focus; swept away in the fury of blind madness. I know this, because it is what I found while searching for my mother’s father who disappeared in the midst of these bloody, gnashing teeth and several of my mother’s bothers who vanished within the labor camps of our, then, German host and refuge.

We should not rally hideous past atrocities, invoking animal sympathies; lavishing the animal with reason to thump its chest in prideful hatred, eventually, giving cause célèbre motive to sling more missiles and bullets at the, too often manufactured, opponent; staining the earth with more innocent blood.

Staying within the context of WWII, if we are to muster sentiment around whose pile of carnage should lavish the most esteem, why do we not toast the 50 million souls, good old Uncle Joe Stalin liberated in the pride of his bloody grip, or the instant gratification brought on by the flash of misguided science, over the population centers of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I don’t need to mention the 6 million dead Jews, for they have been celebrated too much already; there is plenty for everyone here to share!

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By Paracelsus, February 5, 2008 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

“The Treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Zionism. Wishful thinking.  Fairy tale.”

That’s a huge whopper. What audacidty!

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By Howard, February 5, 2008 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

This treaty was arranged after WWI by the victors with Germany present at the conference to initiate peaceful settlement. Reparations were imposed on Germany which had started the war. They were easily paid back somewhat by Germany, but it was never told to the German people they lost the war; hence they seized and believed the Nazi’s credo that Germany was stabbed in the back. Zillions of printed money was printed by the German gov’t, inflation resulted because of that and other reasons and while a depression was world wide it was very difficult in Germany. But France, Belgium, and England did not rape or weaken Germany as a result of the war.
Nazi’s misled their citizenry, rearmed in the ‘30’s and WWII followed. Needed more living room, etc. You knows the story.
  The Treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Zionism. Wishful thinking.  Fairy tale.

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By Davy de Verteuil, February 5, 2008 at 7:39 am Link to this comment
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What about the many imprison starving Germans used in photos presented as facts for holocaust stories claiming that of Jews suffering?
I wouldn’t believe in the Jew holocaust unless the evidences facts and debates are allowed to be challenged.
Similarly I wouldn’t believe man had ever landed on the moon unless there is evidence that its radiation belt can and was ever breach[ed].

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By Expat, February 5, 2008 at 4:59 am Link to this comment

^ Good for you….keep posting.  Howard is…..missinformed and lacking in critical thinking while blinded by reality.

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By weather, February 5, 2008 at 3:58 am Link to this comment
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see this ‘special relationship’ for exactly what it is:extortion - all very carefully dressed up w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a Hollywood production.

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By Nabih Ammari, February 4, 2008 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment
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Re:Treaty of Varsailles

The fact that my system of thoughts has stirred,on
this thread,the hardcore fools of Zionism,I know for
certain I am on the right track.

This is the only response they deserve from me.

Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By GreyRaven, February 4, 2008 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment


“Why are they so quick to demand that academics who suggest that Jews wield considerable political influence be banned from speaking, or, better yet, fired? Why so ready to dismiss criticism of Israel from Desmond Tutu or Jimmy Carter as anti-Semitic garbage? Why so swift to call meetings, launch petitions, take to the streets, bombard their congressmen, demand embargoes, sanctions, pre-emptive strikes, targeted bombings, invasions—whatever it takes to destroy any perceived menace to Jews or the state of Israel, even if it later turns out the threat was a fabrication of someone’s inflamed imagination?”

* * *

All criticism, even if it is valid and fair, is crushed because having it in circulation is a public relations nightmare for Israel. After all, it receives $3 billion in economic and military grants annually from the United States alone. Half a century into its existence, Israel is still not economically self-sufficient, and must rely on foreign assistance and borrowing to maintain its economy.

Yet, one curious stipulation in connection to the generosity it receives each year, is that none of the U.S. assistance it receives, housing loan guarantees, refugee resettlement grants, or other forms of aid, can be used by Israel in the occupied territories, despite its clear obligations as an occupier. Of the largesse afforded it, the Palestinians receive nothing. The official justification for this policy is that “the United States does not want to foster the appearance of endorsing Israel’s annexation of the territories without negotiations.”


Mr. Lando asks, “But never again what? Never again massacres of Jews as the world looks on? Or never again should we Jews, who suffered so horrifically in the Holocaust, never again should we stand silent as innocents are slaughtered or driven from their homes by ethnic cleansing, or entire populations are punished for the actions of a few.”


It is time to stand up and take steps to ensure that neither happens again. As history has shown us, we have an ethical and moral obligation to speak out, before tragedy compounds further tragedy. To remain silent is not an option.

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By Tony Wicher, February 4, 2008 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

My understanding of the real time line is that Paul of Tarsus died in A.D. 67, Constantine reigned from from 306 to 312. So it took some 250 years for what we know as Christianity to go from one zealot to a persecuted sect being thrown to the lions, to finally becoming the Roman state religion. The rest, as we say, is history.

If this story of the Nazarenes about Paul is true, it might explain why the twisted bastard hated Jews and why anti-Semitism was always entwined with the Pauline Christian dogma.

No offense to any Christians out there.

I am definitely going to read Osman’s “The House of the Messiah”. I love this alternate history stuff. Who knows if any of these theories is true for sure, but it opens the mind to consider the alternate possibilities.

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By Paracelsus, February 4, 2008 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

I know a Sephardic Jewish child with terrible ringworm. Should I ask his mother to send him to Israel for “treatment”?

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By Howard, February 4, 2008 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

A Palestinian carried out the first suicide bombing in Israel in a year on Monday, killing a woman and wounding 11 others in Dimona’s shopping center.  Police said they prevented a second blast by shooting dead an accomplice before he could detonate an explosives belt.  Fatah’s Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed the attack along with the Popular Front for the Liberation of palestine.  young Fatah supporters in Gaza handed out flowers and candy to passing cars to celebrate.  (Reuters/Washington Post)

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By PatrickHenry, February 4, 2008 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

Let them do it without U.S. AID, i.e. taxpayers dollars.

There are enough rich jews in the U.S. who could makeup the shortfall of the money Uncle Sam shakes me down for each week.

Israel is a self serving entity which is certainly no ally of ours on a quid pro quo basis.  They have knowingly attacked flagged U.S. interests on more than one occaision and have been caught spying on us many more times.

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By Paracelsus, February 4, 2008 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

The Zionists admired the strategy of the Americans in getting the Indians off their land, so they decided to replicate the same strategy.

As the British Mandate, the Palestinians had no say on their governance. The Mandate allowed many waves of migration of Jews into the Mandated land. In a normal country, the citizens would have been able to convince their government to restrict immigration. Immigration was on an open throttle for 20 years.

If it had not been for the Great War, Turkey would have still retained control over Trans-Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Arabia and Iraq. This was galling to the British, because they needed to secure oil in this area. World War I was “lucky” for them.

As Balfour Declaration, this was initially anounced to Lord Walter Rothschild, leader of the British Zionist movement.

Ralph Schoenmann had referred to the The Peal Report, made after huge revolt of Palestinians in 1936.

The Peel Report

A Royal Commission was established in 1937, under the direction of Lord Peel, to determine the causes of the 1936 revolt. The Peel Commission concluded that the two primary factors were Palestinian desire for national independence and Palestinian fear of the establishment of a Zionist colony on their land. The Peel Report analyzed a series of other factors with uncommon candor. These were:

  1. The spread of the Arab nationalist spirit outside Palestine
  2. Increasing Jewish immigration after 1933
  3. The ability of the Zionists to dominate public opinion in Britain because of the tacit support of the government
  4. Lack of Arab confidence in the good intentions of the British government
  5. Palestinian fear of continued land purchases by Jews from absentee feudal landowners who sold off their landholdings and evicted the Palestinian peasants who had worked the land
  6. The evasiveness of the Mandatory government about its intentions regarding Palestinian sovereignty.

The national movement consisted of the urban bourgeoisie, feudal landowners, religious leaders and representatives of peasants and workers.

Its demands were:

  1. An immediate stop to Zionist immigration
  2. Cessation and prohibition of the transfer of the ownership of Arab lands to Zionist colonists
  3. The establishment of a democratic government in which Palestinians would have the controlling voice.

The British had clearly conspired with the Zoinists to set up racist, tyrannical, and fascist government in Palestine.

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By PatrickHenry, February 4, 2008 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

The jews special relationship with blacks.

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By PatrickHenry, February 4, 2008 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Much unlike the tripe you post.

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Re: Martin Luther King, Jr. on Israel &
King responded, “When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.”

Rev. King wasn’t perfect.

Rev. King knew exactly what he was saying and why: he, unlike you Paracelsus, wouldn’t countenance the indefensible bigotry of those who deny the right of Jews to self-determination in their homeland of Israel.

Even Barack Obama understands this.

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By Hank Holz, February 4, 2008 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment
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Hello cyrena,  I am sorry to inform you that the German people prior to the start of the Third Reich were besieged with hunger, no jobs, huge inflation,  and their country raped by the French and Great Britain of their resources. Their only hope was for a new party to rescue them.  The Nazi party was going to give hope ,food to put on the table and create jobs. The Nazi party’s theme was not to kill all Jews but to have control of their country again. Once the Nazi party had control of the country,the German people had no rights.  If you did not agree with the party line you were either killed or put to the front where you guaranteed yourself a short life.  You were not allowed to write letters about the Nazi regime. Newspapers were sensored,  Remember only 12% of the German people were in the Nazi Party. The rest of the Germans were either forced to fight the war or else be shot for treason. Another thing you have to rememer is that the mass majority of Germans knew that the Jews were put into prison camp. It is true, some of the Germans believed that Jews were partly to blame for Germany’s plight. the Jews controlled 85% of the total wealth in Germany at that time even though they only were 3% of the population in Germany. However, the majority of the German people were not privy of the attrocities commited inside these camps. These sights were off limit to the General German public. Cyrena, most of the German people were not indifferent and ignorant of the plight of the Jews They just had no power to go aginst the Nazi’s mighty forces. One bad word against the Fuhrer and you were likely to serve time in jail or you said a prayer while you were shot by the Gestapo in your court yard. My grandma and one of my uncles sacrificed his life for speaking out.

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By Paracelsus, February 4, 2008 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

King responded, “When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.”

Rev. King wasn’t perfect. As to John Lewis, he thinks it unChristian to impeach Bush and Cheney. He said that we should have a forgiving attitude toward those scum wads.

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By lilmamzer, February 4, 2008 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Dawn - you defame the memory of Dr. King, either intentionally or unintentionally - by your slanted pro-terror post.

“I have a dream” for peace in the Middle East:
King’s Special Bond with Israel”

by Representative John Lewis (D) - GA
January 21, 2002 (San Francisco Chronicle)

THE REV. MARTIN Luther King Jr. understood the meaning of discrimination and oppression. He sought ways to achieve liberation and peace, and he thus understood that a special relationship exists between African Americans and American Jews.

This message was true in his time and is true today.

He knew that both peoples were uprooted involuntarily from their homelands. He knew that both peoples were shaped by the tragic experience of slavery. He knew that both peoples were forced to live in ghettoes, victims of segregation.He knew that both peoples were subject to laws passed with the particular intent of oppressing them simply because they were Jewish or black. He knew that both peoples have been subjected to oppression and genocide on a level unprecedented in history.

King understood how important it is not to stand by in the face of injustice. He understood the cry, “Let my people go.”

Long before the plight of the Jews in the Soviet Union was on the front pages, he raised his voice. “I cannot stand idly by, even though I happen to live in the United States and even though I happen to be an American Negro and not be concerned about what happens to the Jews in Soviet Russia. For what happens to them happens to me and you, and we must be concerned.”

During his lifetime King witnessed the birth of Israel and the continuing struggle to build a nation. He consistently reiterated his stand on the Israel — Arab conflict, stating “Israel’s right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable.” It was no accident that King emphasized “security” in his statements on the Middle East,

On March 25, 1968, less than two weeks before his tragic death, he spoke out with clarity and directness stating, “peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.”

During the recent U.N. Conference on Racism held in Durban, South Africa, we were all shocked by the attacks on Jews, Israel and Zionism. The United States of America stood up against these vicious attacks.

Once again, the words of King ran through my memory, “I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews — because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all.”

During an appearance at Harvard University shortly before his death, a student stood up and asked King to address himself to the issue of Zionism. The question was clearly hostile. King responded, “When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.”

King taught us many lessons. As turbulence continues to grip the Middle East, his words should continue to serve as our guide. I am convinced that were he alive today he would speak clearly calling for an end to the violence between Israelis and Arabs.

He would call upon his fellow Nobel Peace Prize winner, Yasser Arafat, to fulfill the dream of peace and do all that is within his power to stop the violence.

He would urge continuing negotiations to reduce tensions and bring about the first steps toward genuine peace.

King had a dream of an “oasis of brotherhood and democracy” in the Middle East.

As we celebrate his life and legacy, let us work for the day when Israelis and Palestinians, Jews and Muslims, will be able to sit in peace “under his vine and fig tree and none shall make him afraid.”

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By lilmamzer, February 4, 2008 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

As I contemplate what has taken place in Palestine since the treaty has been signed in 1918,I have reached the following conclusions:

You have posted incoherent nonsense.

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By jackpine savage, February 4, 2008 at 10:50 am Link to this comment


You and Louise are correct about fear, ignorance, and indifference.  I will add a personal observation from my years of living in Austria and Bavaria: there was something deeper involved, and it exists still today.

The Germans are a proud people, and realistically, the division of the German speaking people happened backwards.  The protestant north should be it’s own little country; Bavaria and Austria should be the big country.

You might be surprised to know that in quaint little tourist towns like Salzburg, one need not look very far to still see “Auslander Raus” spray painted on walls.  Frankly, i was shocked at how many people, young and old, were overtly sympathetic to neo-Nazism.  I even stumbled across a bookmark on my girlfriend’s (at the time) computer to a glowing history of Nazi Germany and a call to restoration.  She claimed that it was her former boyfriend…whew, that was comforting.

The number and ferocity of anit-Semitic rants that i heard startled me.  A great deal of anti-Americanism stemmed from the fact that many people were/are convinced that America is run by “die Jude.”  I came away with a very clear impression that were Hitler to run for office (undisguised) in Bavaria and Austria, he might not win…but he would gather a substantial number of votes.

And one of the most chilling events of my life was walking through the showers at Dachau (open, because they were not ready for use before liberation) with a group of Bundeswehr troops.  I was chilled to the bone, they were smiling, laughing, and joking.  In the open display at the crematorium, they pointed approvingly at the noose strung from the rafters to finish victims who weren’t quite dead.

This does not mean that all Germans/Austrians are evil people.  Only that many of them were not misled in the least.  Many were, and are, supportive of the Nazi regime.

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By Hank Holz, February 4, 2008 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
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Howard, You are a blind fool. It is a well known fact that the Treaty was anything but overly kind to Germany. The treaty allowed England and France to rape all of Germany’s resources. Millions of people worked for slavery wages. Inflation was out of control, Germans were starving by the millions. Hittler never would have been elected if the German citizen’s were not so desperate. Thanks to the treaty Hittler came to power. My grandparents can attest to that condition.  Howard ,you should spend more time finding the truth.  Did you know, 85% of the wealth in post World 1 Germany was controlled by Jews? That was a big eye sore for the starving German people.  The majority of shops, businesses were controlled by Jews. No wonder they voted for a change. I think it was sad that so many innocent people of all nations were victims of Hittler’s actions.  But please do not put all of the blame on German people.  There is a lot of blame to go around.

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By ron hanisng, February 4, 2008 at 10:03 am Link to this comment
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The idea that the Israeli and Jewish lobby has extra influence in Washington is not accurate. It’s easy to cast blame, but it is simply in America’s interest to support Israel as a stablizing influence in the Middle East.

Israel has a right to protect its borders… just like the U.S. likewise has the same right. It’s that simple.

If Al Queda lobed 200 missles into the United States, on a daily basis, all hell would break loss.

Does Lando imply that the U.S. negoiate with Al Queda??? , Ben Laden say he wants to, but it ain’t gonna happen. Why, because it gives him credibility.

Actually I think that this should be an option. 

Can we criticize West Bank settlements, absolutely. The same with Gaza. The problem is that everyone assumes that when a few Jews talk of antisemitism, that this is intrepretated as all Jews and all Israelis, which is quite the contrary.

The democratic dialogue is alive and well among Jews and Israelis. To assume tht there is a broad Jewish-Israeli conspiracy and overly influential is ridiculous… and over exaggerated.

ron hansing

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By Howard, February 4, 2008 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

Glad YOU found this treaty. Get you started on reading History.  Well known fact that the Treaty was overly kind to Germany.  Much too kind. Resulted in Nazis seizing on it to mislead the Germans to fixate on during the next 20 years and falsely believe the sure cure of fixing things by following them. Naziism, if you continue to read about it ranks higher than the other items you mention, in pure evilness. Destroyed millions of lives in Europe, Russia and America.

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By Nabih Ammari, February 4, 2008 at 2:29 am Link to this comment
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While conducting some research on the nature and the
real causes of Fascism/Nazism,I came across a treaty
called the Treaty of Varsailles which was imposed on
Germany after Germany lost the First World War.I was
struck by the harshness of the treaty on Germany and
on its people.That has compelled me to interrupt my
research in order to write this blog.

One of the major effect of the treaty had resulted in
extremely high inflation which forced the typical German house-wife to fill a case with German currency
to be able to buy a loaf of bread from a near buy bakery.No wonder that Hitler and his Nazi thugs were
able to take over power in Germany.The German people
were riped and ready for anybody who promised to get them out of their economical and financial miseries.
Hitler and his empty Nazism did.

As I contemplate what has taken place in Palestine since the treaty has been signed in 1918,I have reached the following conclusions:

(1)The Varsailles Treaty has been the main cause of
the agonies the human-kind has witnessed in Palestine
for the last 60 years.Of course,there were other causes,but the Treaty of Varsailles was the real
main cause.It was the hard rock foundation for Hitler
ascending to power.

(2)Hertzel,the father of Zionism.and his pernicious
ideology would have completely failed for the simple
reason that most Jews had no interest in leaving their country of birth to migrate to Palestine if
there was no Treaty of Varsailles and no Hitler rise to power.It is a logical sequence-one ominous event
lead to another, the result of which was the horrble
tragedy of persecuting Jews.The Zionists took a clear
advantage of that to push and compel Jews every where
to migrate to Palestine,out of fear tactics which
reached to a point of collaboration with the Nazis
against their own people to achieve the Zionist agenda in Palestine.How low could those Zionists get!

(3)The Balfour Declaration which had promised a home
land in Palestine to the Zionists,represented by a
well known organic chemist by the name of Chaim
Weissman who became later on the President of Israel,
would have remained a declaration unfulfilled-just
dried ink on old paper covered with dust.The Treaty
of Varsailles was the driving force for the sequence
of events in the creation of Israel at the expense
of the Palestinian people who were totally innocent
of the political intrigues of Europe.And they were forced to pay the price for the crimes of Christian
Europe against the Jews whose only cime then was the fact they were a “Successful Visible Minority”,a typical Fascist/Nazi tactics to control and agitate
the masses, as the cause of their miseries.

I do hope all of the above will help,in a small way,
to recognize the “Real Cause” of the human agonies which has been taken place for the last 60 year.

Justice,Justice and More Justice,pleas.

Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By Robert, February 3, 2008 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment

Rabbi Weiss rips into Zionism…On Nov. 27, 2007, in Annapolis, MD, Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a spokesman for the Neturei Karta International, ripped into Zionism. He blasted the Zionists for its supposed “fearmongering.” He also accused the Zionists of “beating” Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem. His remarks were made outside the U.S. Naval Academy, on Randall Street, near Gate I, close to the waterfront, in this port city. A Middle East “Peace” conference was being held inside the Naval Academy.
For background on Neturei Karta International, see: and on the “Middle East Peace Conference,” check out this analysis: (less)

Click on link/URL to see & hear how Rabbi Weiss rips into ZIONISM:

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By Dawn, February 3, 2008 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

“The Beloved Community is a World of Peace with Justice.”—Martin Luther King, Jr.

There will be no peace until there is justice in Palestine. There are Arab people who are in possession of deeds to the land that the Isreali people keep usurping and occupying. Even a kindergarten child can understand that this is not fair. There has been a tremendous travesty of justice in this part of the world. It would not be in anyone’s best interest to just sign a “peace treaty” and agree to get over it. It will fester and boil underneath even if there are enough sellouts to sign such a treaty (which I doubt there are). The land must be returned to it’s rightful owners. Bulldozers and tanks cannot be allowed to establish eminent domain.

Gaza is the new Warsaw ghetto. Why isn’t that obvious to AIPAC, Bush, Obama? Only Dennis Kucinich toured the destruction of Lebanon. He has received the full media blackout treatment to make sure that the American people could not hear his message of peace. So now we are left with no real progressive democrats in the race. We are left with a bunch of hawks and a hawk on steroids (McCain). None of these people have a vision of peace. They are interested in keeping the war machine humming and our weapons manufacturers in business.

What if there existed one state (call it whatever you want) where the Isrealis and the Palestinians could live side by side with Jerusalem as its capital and the taxes and resources would be used for the benefit of all within its borders regardless of race or religion? Why should there be a sovereign state dedicated to a religious order? It doesn’t seem to be working. There are Christians and Arabs and Jews who love this “Holy Land” and want access to it. Why not? Why make it a land of military might and perpetual paranoia? Mr. Lando is correct. There is a distinct media blackout on any controversial discussion of the fate of Isreal. There is one formal stand that is put forward as if this is the only way to look at it. I think we are missing the kindergarten point of view. It isn’t fair. Share the land, share the resources. Open the borders. The only thing people should be asked to “get over” is their religion. That should be personal, not a deciding factor for whether you live or die. Right now Arab children are dying because they are not Jewish. They are collateral damage in Isreal’s push to eliminate Hamas. Why is Isreal given a pass on this atrocity? The U.S. ranks 53rd in the world for “access to a free press”. At least Truthdig offers a forum for discussion.

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By Howard, February 3, 2008 at 8:46 pm Link to this comment

Some more positive items from Israel.

12. Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin — 109 per 10,000 people — as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
13.  In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the second largest number of startup companies after the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).
14.  With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration hi-tech companies in the world — apart from the Silicon Valley, US.
15. Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.
16. After the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.
17. Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.
18.  On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.
19.  Twenty-four percent of Israel’s workforce hold university degrees — ranking it third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland — and 12% hold advanced degrees.

20. Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
21.  In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews at risk in Ethiopia to safety in Israel.

22.  When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world’s second elected female leader in modern times.

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By omop, February 3, 2008 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

According to a ‘Washington Post’ Diplomatic Correspondent,  Iraq War Was to ‘Help Israel’

“The invasion of Iraq had been promoted in part as a way to bring democracy to the region and help Israel. Now [she] Ms Rice argued that because the turmoil in Iraq had led to the rise of Iran, the collective fear of the Sunni world would make Arabs more willing to strike a deal with Israel…”

In line with news reports about the estimated 950 lies made by this administration and a reflection of the effusive thanks by Rabbi Metzger made to GWB for invading Iraq at their meeting recently in Tel Aviv.

The Iraq pass or as famously put by Worlfowitz the “cakewalk” has resulted in the loss of life of a million or so Iraqis; thousands dead. Estimates of young US personnel crippled for life 96,000. And billions to be paid by this generation and at least the next 3 or four.

No mas. Period.

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By jackpine savage, February 3, 2008 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Abdallah,

I would like to split one hair on point #2.  If we go back far enough, we can suggest that the Zealots developed ‘terrorism’, but i think that’s a stretch.  To the best of my knowledge, the first modern incarnation of terrorism developed in Russia as an attempt to unseat the Tsars.  It’s major success was in the assassination of Alexander II in 1881.

There is no doubt, however, that Zionist organization brought such techniques to the Middle East.

And i do not wish to detract from the message of your post nor undermine your position, with which i am in agreement.


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By Fadel Abdallah, February 3, 2008 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

When I posted earlier in response to the hardcore Zionist Howard in his bragging about the Zionist achievements, I forgot to add some of my own based on hard facts of history, and not on wishful thinking.

1. One of the early founders of Zionism,Chaim Weizmann, a Chemist professor who discovered how to synthesize acetone, a solvent used in the manufacture of explosives to blow up people and infrastructure. His deadly invention endeared him to David Lloyed George,the British Prime Minster, who started calling Weizmann affectionately “Acetone.” Evil colonialist British, on account of this deadly invention, decided to reward the nascent Zionist movement and the price was Palestine. An evil colonialist power giving the right of birth to another colonialist power and the price is explosives! Can you imagine a more appropriate beginning to a movement whose members were supposedly the victims of deadly weapons themselves?!

2. Among the Zionist unique achievements is the invention of “terrorism” and its introduction to the Middle East as a political weapon. Three of the leaders of these early terrorist organizations became Israeli Prime Ministers for long periods of time. The blowing up of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem is one of their most notorious operations, where the Zionists, dressed in Arab garbs, planted the explosives, with the cowardly intention that it would not be discovered and it would be blamed on the Palestinians.

3. A third Zionist achievement is the invention and introduction of the so-called “targeted assassinations” with plenty of collateral damage to civilians and infrastructure. Keeping record of the children victims of such invention has become difficult to maintain. Zionist make big noise and propaganda about the so-called “Al-Kassam” rockets, which are no more than fireworks. But they conveniently forget that whatever little damage these rockets might cause, it is perhaps a divine plan just to make them have a taste of their own medicine! 

If I do not become a target of Zionist’s assassins, a book on this theme might be in the market in a couple of years. The tentative title of the book will be, “Palestine: The Price of Explosives.”

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By Robert, February 3, 2008 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

Finally, a popular uprising

Last update - 02:16 30/01/2008 | Haaretz
By Amira Hass

“The fall of the Rafah wall was a fitting combination of planning and the precise reading of the social and political map by the Hamas government, mixed with a mass response to the dictates of the overlord, Israel.

Quite a few people in Rafah knew that “anonymous figures” had secretly been destablizing the foundations of the wall for several months, so that it would be possible to knock it down easily when the time came - but the secret didn’t leak. The hundreds of people who began leaving Palestinian Rafah right after the wall was breached did so despite the risk, and the precedent of the Egyptians shooting at those who infiltrate through the border.

The leadership and public of Gaza, as two elements of the occupied people, were partners in the courageous and necessary step of breaking the Israeli rules of the game. The breach of the wall is a clear manifestation of the conception and temperament of a popular resistance among the Palestinian people, which for various reasons, were dormant in recent years.

The Palestine Liberation Organization is concerned, and rightly so, that the collapse of the wall will provide Israel with an additional excuse to finalize the separation of Gaza from the West Bank. There is nothing new in this tendency: The Israeli siege of Gaza has been developing gradually and persistently since 1991, and intensified during the Oslo years. But the PLO leadership then did not have the necessary creativity to lay down in time a practical challenge to Israel’s consistent, destructive and strangling policy of restricting Palestinian freedom of movement.

No wonder. Then, like today, Israel worked to heap privileges on senior Palestinian Authority officials and their associates, granting them some freedom of movement. The officials publicly condemned the restrictions on the movement of the general public, while submissively accepting their privileges. Therefore, their political imagination was unable to provide practical plans of action against the separation of Gaza from the West Bank, and against the reality of incarceration faced by the majority of their people.

The chance of using the achievement of having breached the wall as a way of moving forward and developing the tactics of a popular struggle is hampered by two primary obstacles. One is what’s called the “armed struggle” - such as rocket fire from Gaza targeting Israeli towns, or a suicide bombing in Israel. The Palestinian mantra that an occupied nation has the right “to fight using all means” rings hollow, since what’s at stake is not a right, but the effectiveness of the struggle.

It has been proven that through popular disobedience, the Palestinians manage to break the Israeli rules of the game and bring their concerns back to the center of global attention - as well as intensifying criticism of Israel. The “armed struggle,” especially when it is aimed at civilians, achieves the opposite: It presents the Palestinians as the aggressor, not as the occupied party under attack, thereby weakening their global standing.

If the Gaza government does not want to lose the momentum of the wall’s fall, it must not make do with just having its own militants desist from firing Qassams: it must make it clear to other organizations that they are hindering a successful move of resistance.”

Click on link for the rest of Amira Hass’s article:

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By amunaor, February 3, 2008 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

Tony, Osman’s comparative analysis brought to light a shift in Jewish timelines, by some 400 years, when compared side by side to known Egyptian and Jewish historical events and characters. Osman’s findings point to Phinehas (Pinhas; Panehasy), as the Wicked Priest who slew the boy King; Tutankhamun; The Teacher of Righteousness.

Bringing it forward, the Gnostics, including the Essenes, looked upon the person Jesus (John the Baptist) as a historical character, a successor to Moses (Akhenaton). They fully believed that the ‘First Coming’ had already taken place in the past, and this person had been rejected by the hierarchy of Moses and executed by the Wicked Priest.

One must endeavor to really study Osman’s ‘The House of Messiah’ to appreciate the full thrust of what appears, once the two timelines are stitched together. I have seen a few disparaging words, egregiously hurled at Osman, claiming is work unscholarly, understandably so, considering from where those barb emanate; since they place a chink in the armor of the existing illusion. We should be thankful and fortunate to have a fellow seeker, whose passion is simply to understand the tumultuous nature of forces before us. If he finds items outside the anointed box, so be it.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Louise, February 3, 2008 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

I’m not sure if this can in any way help, but I remember once a Mormon friend telling me during the Nazi regime, Mormons in Germany were counseled to avoid involvement. On either side. That as long as what was happening was Constitutional [German Constitution I presume] They should simply continue on. That always bothered me, because it seems that council was really saying look the other way. Or maybe it was simply, keep a low profile and survive. Either one being a weak position in the face of obvious evil, I think.

But that was just one view, from one man and he could have been wrong.

But on the larger issue, perhaps the need to protect ones own ass [fear] was the prevailing view of the day. Kinda like the group who witnesses a crime then disappears into the shadows before the police show up. And I guess we can call that simple cowardice.

I asked another Mormon friend why the Church has been silent on the war in Iraq, and the power some Christian groups wield over government and the conduct of the war. Basically she told me the Church does not tell people what to do. Free choice has to guide everyone. And I think that’s a good thing, but the silence nonetheless implies an acceptance.

Perhaps looking inside our own country will lead to a better answer to your question. Why, in the face of such obvious wrong do so many accept, or look the other way, or even more amazing want someone like McCain to lead the nation?

Comes back to the same thing. Ignorance, which often is just an excuse for indifference, which often just masks lazyness and cowardice and fear. I suppose as long as someone can manage to keep from seeing anything that might lead to any truth, they can be comfortable with whatever goes on around them. Only when real pain touches them do they start to look. And then to wonder. In other words, when it’s too late.

There are people who went on that tour to Buchenwald that went to their graves swearing they had no idea. But the fact that the German citizen didn’t come against the allies with pitch forks and obscenity’s indicates by the time we got there, they were hurting, and they knew things had to change.

I knew a woman who lived in Germany in the early days of Hitler’s power. Under his policies, she and her husband were able to build a very successful business and amass a fortune. When Hitler began his wars of aggression, she and her husband returned to this country. Their business was gone, but they managed to save their fortune. Now here’s where the story gets strange. When she died, she left her own obituary, with clear instructions it should be published exactly as she wrote it. Wanting to see their inheritance, the children published it exactly as written. The obit was largely devoted to her years in Germany, her fond memory of the great success she and her husband had enjoyed there and her fond memories of Hitler and his policies!

And yes, it did embarrass the kids.

I don’t know what the answer is. Perhaps an inability to feel empathy, or lazyness, or cowardice, or simple stupidity. I don’t know. If I did, I could bring world peace! smile

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By Kwagmyre, February 3, 2008 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment
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Posted by fempatriot:
Why don’t we teach that Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans and that most of the ships and banks that dealt in the trafficking of Africans to America were owned by European Jews?

Yes, and as was brought out in the recent PBS series, “The Jewish Americans”, there were Jewish slaveowners as well prior to the Civil War(which might be the same group you’re referring to here).

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By cyrena, February 3, 2008 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

Oh for Christ’s sake lilmamzer, you are so full of it. Talk about HOSTILE!! You’re just determined to keep the propaganda up, and the unfounded accusations as well.

Where…ANYWHERE in the above post, does Fadel suggest that in his view, Jews wouldn’t merit self-determination in what YOU call ‘their own homeland”? I’d say they’ve done a damn good job of ‘self-determination’ in what has been established as the State of Israel for the past 60 years. How do you figure otherwise?

And, NOBODY has suggested any APPROVAL of “Arab genocide of the Jews” NOR has it ever happened! What a lying ass you are, when you know damn good and well, that the only genocide of any Jews, was over 60 years ago, and it WASN’T ARABS THAT DID IT!!

And, that really is the point, isn’t it lilmamzer. That’s the only point there’s ever been to your blatant propaganda, that attempts to apologize for the fact that the leadership of Israel has committed this 60 year old Zionist genocide of the Arabs of the Middle East, and that it was always their intention…from the very beginning of the Zionist project, to do EXACTLY THAT!! It is in fact, directly out of Hitler’s playbook. He did to the Jews exactly what the Zionists have done to the NATIVE PEOPLES of the Middle East, and specifically Palestine.

So, how does the exercise of ‘self-determination’ require the ethnic cleansing of a few million Arabs?

And, why do you think you can keep throwing this shit out to anybody who can see, hear, and read for themselves, what the REALITY actually is? Arab genocide of the Jews? Somebody should slap the shit out of you just for saying it.

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By cyrena, February 3, 2008 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment


You’ve done it again, and you probably cannot imagine how timely this piece is for me, as I struggle here at the 11th hour, to construct a paper that questions these very fundamental issues of exactly HOW that Fascism of Nazi Germany was able to take hold. So, this provides me with a much needed prompt at this 11th hour. Surely, you have possibly saved the day. (or at least my current assignment)

•  The German peoples indifference, fear and ignorance led to the all-powerful control of the Nazi Party, and their embracing Fascism. And like Fascism today, that kind of all-powerful control leads to opening doors for wicked and evil people to take over. The lesson we should all take away from the memory of the holocaust is that when good people do nothing, the wicked will rule.

I know that the above is true…the indifference, fear, and ignorance of the German people is what opened the door to the all-powerful control of the Nazi Party, and the Fascism that took over all. However, my own dilemma is rooted in needing to connect what came before even that. In other words, what led to the fear, and the ignorance, and the indifference?

I think I can explain the ignorance and the fear well enough, (being required to utilize the readings from Hannah Arendt’s “The Origins of Totalitarianism” ) but I struggle with the element of ‘indifference’ because (as I try to work through this as I write) I’m not sure that it WAS indifference, as much as it was the fear and the ignorance, and the TERROR, or the SHOCK; at least for the good Germans.

So I’m struggling now, to understand how or why so many people HAD TO KNOW that these atrocities were taking place under their noses, and yet failed to act. It is no accident that chaos and instability, and the ignorance brought about by it, will lead to the fear, and the ignorance. In the case of Hitler’s Nazi regime, it was in fact very intentional, because Fascism depends on it. It depends on people not knowing what’s going on. It depends on the consistent changing of rules, and the demolition of any order. It depends on nobody knowing who is actually ‘in charge’, or what will become a crime worthy of death, from one day to the next. So, I’m not certain that ‘indifference’ plays in, as much as the ignorance does, or the denial that comes with the shock. The willingness, if not the NEED to look the other way, and to deny what one’s eyes are telling them, least they be included in the next sweep.

But, what about THESE atrocities that you mention that continue to go on now…

•  We have watched with indifference, the slaughter of millions of innocents in South Africa, Somalia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, East Timor, Rwanda, Darfur Sudan, Kenya, Palestine, Iraq and the list goes on.

THIS is, in my opinion, INDIFFERENCE. Yes, there is ignorance here as well, that prevents us from responding to the slaughter of millions of innocents, but it is more than anything, the indifference.

So, how indeed, can the world stand-by, (and not ALL of us are) and not intervene in the slaughter of millions of innocents?  It’s NOT because we don’t know that it’s happening. (Just as the Germans knew that it was happening) Because…we DO.  It’s NOT because we should be fearful, because we are supposedly larger in number than the ones who do the slaughtering.

So, those are the questions…alas.. I have no answers.

And here we are. Surely we cannot deny that we have ourselves, come under the control of a fascist movement. Is that why we cannot or will not respond?

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By Louise, February 3, 2008 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

After the Buchenwald concentration camp was liberated on April 11, 1945, the political prisoners in the camp set up a tour of exhibits. On April 15, 1945, the German civilians from the nearby town of Weimar were brought to see the evidence of Nazi atrocities.

The German civilians had to march five miles up a steep hill, escorted by armed American soldiers. It took two days for the Weimar residents to file through the camp.

In 1989, Henry Kamm wrote an article about Buchenwald, for the New York Times. He quoted Eli Wiesel, Buchenwald’s most famous survivor, regarding the black liberators of Buchenwald. In a telephone interview, Wiesel told Kamm : “The most moving moment of my life was the day the Americans arrived, a few hours after the SS had fled. It was the morning of April 11…I will always remember with love a big Black soldier. He was crying like a child—all the pain in the world and all the rage. Everyone who was there that day will forever feel a sentiment of gratitude to the American soldiers who liberated us.”

By 1993, the story of the black troops at Buchenwald had escalated to an account of how African Americans had been the ones to actually liberate the Jews of Buchenwald. Even though there were only 4,000 Jewish prisoners among the 21,000 inmates still in the camp when the liberators arrived.

“Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate - healthy, virile hate—for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead.” - Eli Wiesel

One can understand Eli Wiesel feeling this “healthy, virile hate” but a larger point is overlooked. The German peoples indifference, fear and ignorance led to the all-powerful control of the Nazi Party, and their embracing Fascism. And like Fascism today, that kind of all-powerful control leads to opening doors for wicked and evil people to take over. The lesson we should all take away from the memory of the holocaust is that when good people do nothing, the wicked will rule.

Runaway power that leads to death and destruction is the true enemy of us all.

And on that point, I need to make another point. The soldiers marched the German civilians through Buchenwald and recorded everything they saw to be shown around the world, so the world would never forget.

Sadly the world has forgotten. We blame the Israelis for our ignorance. And forces in the Israeli government, and our government use our ignorance to fuel a campaign all to similar to the one that led to mass imprisonment and extermination in Fascist Germany. How convienient for the grabbing of power. How convienient for the wish to do nothing.

We have watched with indifference, the slaughter of millions of innocents in South Africa, Somalia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, East Timor, Rwanda, Darfur Sudan, Kenya, Palestine, Iraq and the list goes on. And it’s still for the most part racial and ethnic cleansing. Only this time it’s not the Jews. Its African and Asian and Muslim. And it’s as inhuman and unforgivable today as it was on April 15, 1945.

How do we stop it? Perhaps we need to remember what led to the genocide in Nazi Germany as much as we remember the outcome! I think that was the memory the U.S. soldiers wanted to create when they took the people of Weimar on their tour of Buchenwald.

“Remember the evil of Fascism and don’t ever let it happen again!”

And here we are ...

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By lilmamzer, February 3, 2008 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

Such a hostile one you are, Fadel.

In your world, Jews wouldn’t merit self-determination in their own homeland. So it doesn’t matter what Howard or anyone else who opposes Arab genocide of the Jews says or doesn’t say. C’mon admit it Fadel, in your view Israel as a sovereign nation is illegitimate no matter what. That’s why there will never be peace with attitudes such as yours; Israel has no obligation to commit national suicide to satisfy the irrational hatred of Arabs such as yourself, nor will she.

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By amunaor, February 3, 2008 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

Tony, you are absolutely correct, in that Christianity should, in fact, have been labeled Paulianity. Paul was nothing more than a Roman proselytizer, sent out to bolster the amalgamation created under Constantine.

The Nazarenes were a number of Gnostic sects (seekers of enlightenment via personal mystic experience) not unlike the Essenes; a disputing enclave of Atonists . The Semitic word is derived from the root nsr, which means to ‘guard’ or ‘protect’ and indicates ‘devotee’. The term has nothing to do with the town of Nazareth, which didn’t come into existence until late into the 1st century CE.

Yes, it was through the fury of blind love, in the throws of fanaticism, that these Christian zealots destroyed the Alexandria library.

Have you read Michael Baigent’s ‘The Inquisition’ and also ‘The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception’? Very illuminating backdrop to this continuing saga of empire, couched within a shell-game.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Expat, February 3, 2008 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

Quite simply, Amen.

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By Fadel Abdallah, February 3, 2008 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

Well Howard fella who is so proud of the Israelis’ achievements, you might have some half truths in your long list, but what’s the point?! Any small country which receives so much financial subsidy from the tax-paying slaves of so many colonial quarters of the world, can have the potential to produce all these technological things you are bragging about. Unless your message is intended as a racist reminder that Jews are superior to everyone else, there is no merit to the garbage you’re throwing in people’s faces. Go and get a life outside your sick mentality!

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By Expat, February 3, 2008 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

Ah, thank you.  I’m using an AMD microprocessor, and further I’m not using any other thing on your list.  Whew, you have given me peace of mind.  But I do have a question, many actually; with all of this advanced knowledge and education, why is Israel guilty of apartheid?  Why is Israel guilty of crimes against humanity?  Why did Israel use cluster munitions against a civilian population?  Why is Israel guilty of the very abominations they suffered at the hands of the monsters that were the Nazis of WWII Germany?  I await your vicious onslaught of an answer.
Peace…….is the only real answer.  Your Israeliness is not becoming.

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By PatrickHenry, February 3, 2008 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

I wonder how much of the technology was stolen from and is used to spy on it’s close ally, the U.S.

I’m sure China got first pick.

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By jackpine savage, February 3, 2008 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

I still wrote his name in for President in ‘92.

Anytime, glad to…

Live Frankly

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By Ken Mitchell, February 3, 2008 at 5:26 am Link to this comment
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Sadly, I know so many American Jews who are open minded about everything except Israel. They condemn bigotry everywhere except Israel. Some were active in the U.S. civil rights struggles. When it comes to Israel, any criticism is regarded as anti-Semitism. Never mind the fact that the Arabs are also Semitic.

The college that refused to invite Desmond Tutu because he would be devisive, invited Ann Coulter to speak 2 weeks earlier.

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By Howard, February 3, 2008 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

I think you mistyped.  I’m sure your meant the Pal’s should move to Jordan or Egypt or Syria where they are from. Or one of the other 20 Arab states which have an abundance of oil, room, and monies.

Israel is doing superbly where it is.  e.g.

1.  The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.
2.  Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.
3.  The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed, and produced in Israel.
4.  The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel.
5. Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
6.  Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D;facilities outside the US in Israel.
7.  The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.
8. According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry’s most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.
9.  Israel’s $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.
10. Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.
11.  Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

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By jdogg333, February 3, 2008 at 4:31 am Link to this comment

I’d just like to thank everyone who have helped me get some insight on these issues. I appreciate the kind and informative responses. Best Wishes to all of you.

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By Expat, February 3, 2008 at 4:08 am Link to this comment

Ah, Zappa.  That man was a genius and too young to die of Prostate cancer; what a loss.

Thanks for the song and memories.

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By Israel Getty, February 3, 2008 at 3:25 am Link to this comment
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Your article speaks a truth that most are not willing to utter. My concern is that no US president, democrat or republican, will take an objective approach towards the middle east for fear of offending Israel.  Both Hillary and Barack have sworn their allegiance to the state of Israel while speaking at AIPAC events, and so we can only expect more of the same US blind loyalty towards Israel’s jingoism towards the Palestinian people.  While Barack is my choice, I doubt that he would stand so firmly a stance towards Africa.

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By Raymond, February 3, 2008 at 2:04 am Link to this comment
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“It’s a little difficult to keep feeling warm and fuzzy toward a race/religion…”

Please do not conflate the state of Israel with the race or religion of Jews or Judaism.  Israel is a Jewish nation, like Iran is a Muslim nation. 

I am a Jew, and I do not support the actions of the state of Israel.

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By Tony Wicher, February 3, 2008 at 1:33 am Link to this comment

I read one of Osman’s books, “Christianity: an Ancient Egyptian Religion” and I found it intriguing. The Bible as history is completely full of holes, and Osman does supply some interesting connections between the Biblical mythology and historical ancient Egypt.

Does Osman say anything about the Nazarenes? I found this interiguing theory that the Nazarenes were a Jewish sect that believed in some “teacher of righteousness”. It is not clear when this teacher lived. This sect existed about the time Jesus is said to have lived. They had a story that what we now know as Christianity started with Paul, who was originally not a Jew but a Greek. They said he grew a beard and got circumsized because of an infatuation with some Jewish girl. What is it about those Jewish girls? Anyway, when he didn’t get the girl, he got all embittered, left the Nazarenes and founded his own sect. They say he forged all the gospels except parts of the book of Matthew. The Nazarenes continued as Jews and were decimated when the Romans destroyed the second temple in Jerusalem. They persisted until the fourth century when they were wiped out by Constantine who had been converted to Pauline Christianity. It was also the Pauline Christians who burned the library at Alexandria, destroyed the knowledge of classical antiquity and plunging Western civilization into the dark ages.

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By john from ojai, February 3, 2008 at 12:34 am Link to this comment
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No surprise that Obama’s in the pocket of AIPAC and similar lobbies. That was one of the points in the article. Most politicians are afraid of Israeli lobbies. Until politicians, media and citizens can publicly question the moral issues of Zionism and it’s oppression of Palestinians there will be no peace.Until Obama and other politicians can publicly question the moral issues of illegal settlements, assasinations,stolen tax money,U.S.financed walls,  blockades,U.S.supplied scatter bombs, killing of innocent citizens, and giving billions of dollars a year to Israel, then there will be no peace in Palestine/Israel. How about a one state solution for Palestine/Israel?

The media is controlled by conglomerates like GE/NBC/MSNBC who’s military companies benefit from international conflict.

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By Ira Goldburg, February 2, 2008 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment
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There is no future for the Israel in the middle east.Best oppotunity for the Israel to survive relocate it to Belize in Central America, where the jewish people are welcomed by the neighboring countries, and the New Zion will be most powerful and rich country in the world

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By amunaor, February 2, 2008 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

**By Jaded Prole, February 1

This pamphlet has been discredited decades ago and I see it popping up everywhere. It was a proven manufacture; a tool to illicit a negative psychology; with known results.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By fempatriot, February 2, 2008 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

Good article, as far as it went.

It’s a little difficult to keep feeling warm and fuzzy toward a race/religion that by its own actions is perpetuating against the Palestinians what was perpetuated against Jews, Gypsies, and various other groups during World War II.

Who gives a damn about the twenty million or so Russian Christians who were murdered or worked to death in Russian slave labor camps by their Communist oppressors during Stalin’s reign?  Why don’t we teach that in schools?

Why don’t we teach that millions of Native Americans were killed by the various people who settled what is now the USA?

Why don’t we teach that Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans and that most of the ships and banks that dealt in the trafficking of Africans to America were owned by European Jews?

Why wasn’t the truth reported about the Iranian conference on the “Holocaust?”  It was to discuss it and to seek the truth about what happened—something that is forbidden to do _all over Europe_.  There are countless people in jail in Germany, France, Austria, because they “doubt” that the nice, round figure of six million Jews is a reliable figure.  Especially since the Jews claimed that six million Jews were starving to death and dying right after World War One! (1918—long before Adolf Hitler came into power.)  The book: THE FIRST HOLOCAUST - Don Heddesheimer has copies of American & Jewish newspapers, Jewish correspondence from the 1920s as American/European Jews raised money to save the “six million” who were dying in Europe.  (They only gave up this money raising campaign shortly before WWII began.)

Question Israel’s actions against the Palestinians or question the six million, and you get a reaction like kicking a hive of killer bees.  It is not racist to want to know the TRUTH about anything.  If it is the truth, it should stand up to examination.  This is what has been shut down all over Europe. This is what they would like to shut down in the United States of America.  Why?  Nothing should be above discussion and even skepticism.

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By Fadel Abdallah, February 2, 2008 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Tony for letting me know that I have been missed. I do appreciate that you’re still active for the cause of peace and justice. Sometimes, we are forced to rearrange our priorities to accommodate our other concerns, such as scholarship, family and some work-related traveling. However, peace between and justice for both Jews and Palestinians remain at the heart of my concerns and I believe that I will die a sad and miserable death if death overtakes me without seeing that sweet peace with justice being realized in my lifetime. You know, without the realization of that peace with justice I would not be able to visit the places of my youth years in that holy / unholy land called Palestine/ Israel.

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By lilmamzer, February 2, 2008 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

Nonsense only a Chalmers could love.

Post more, please.

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By amunaor, February 2, 2008 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

#By Douglas Chalmers, February 1: Fuck Israel!!!

Your conclusion is valid, in that, yes it is a blind Crusade, but your assumption of who directs it may be flawed. Let us narrow the focus of this current ‘middle-east’ genii, by placing it squarely upon the crossroads onto which it first became manifest, otherwise it will only appear as scattered pieces without a center. Once the correct root of the tree is observed, no doubt, it will illicit your more appropriately hurled invective in the direction of Neo-Rome; its current ‘Office of Inquisition’ (previously headed up by the current Pope Ratzinger, while Cardinal under Pope John Paul); its hijacked Egyptian dying god psychodrama (Isis-Osiris), permeating today’s religious and secular thrones, whose foundations continue in the imperialist aspirations of Constantine; the Atonist; Sol In Victus. Having stated this, Israel today, is only Israel in name, whose sails are billowing and full with Neo-Roman winds.

Towards the end of the 18th Dynastic period of Akhenaton’s Egypt, Israel, traumatized from a self inflicted wound, sought to sever itself from their Egyptian roots and heritage, distancing mind and body from the psychological trauma incurred from the event. This needs to be confronted, healed and reconciled with its neighboring Arab brothers and sisters.

Anyone who has studied the well researched works of ‘Ahmed Osman’ will see and understand that all of the biblical patriarchs were Egyptian Pharaohs, from Tuthmoses III - aka David, down to Akhenaton. From Tuthmoses III and Sahra (Abraham’s wife) issued Isaac. Their center of worship was centered on Heliopolis, the biblical city, Onn. Tutankhamun, born: Tutankhaton, was the son of Akhenaton. This is the ‘Scarlet Thread’, the dirty little secret in the ‘victors’ church history.

Osman’s comparative analysis of both early Egyptian /Jewish epic historical events and characters, ties many, otherwise, incomprehensible threads logically and intuitively together. His research sheds much light onto, dispersing, the currently guarded age old myth, and like the grain of sand lodged within the flesh of an oyster, has become very much of an irritant to this closely held myth, for it is the steam-engine driving the world’s psyche upon which the current thrones sit. Since both thrones, secular and religious, are egocentric, they sit to suit themselves; maintained by enchanting the public.

All sojourners who quest have a similar bond in that ALL cultures have a piece to the puzzle; diffusing the myth of separateness and restoring harmony; wars can not be waged without opponents and it is only the vain ego that, through deceit, seeks to rule by a force of arms.

Akhenaton was a religious iconoclast of the highest order, tossing the old Egyptian religious establishment onto its head, resulting in violent upheaval. Narrow minded in his Atonist beliefs, his growing fanaticism became vilified, and bitterly despised by those failing to accept his views. Retaining only the nomen (Moses) of the great house unto which he was born (Tuthmoses III), Akhenaton’s position became untenable as violence erupted against him. Forced to flee his throne, along with an entourage of followers; while settling in the Sinai region, his throne was passed on to his son, Tutankhaton.

Tutankhaton, having perceived the error of his father, held out an olive branch in reconciliation to those his father had relegated as unimportant. In demonstration to his appeal, symbolically distancing himself from the narrow Atonist views, Tutankhaton changed his name from Aton (the sun disk) to Amun (the hidden). For this infraction, in the raging clutches of their myopia, his fathers’ high priest, Phinehas (Pinhas; Panehasy), slew the boy king. Israel has never forgiven itself for this trauma it had rained down upon itself. Instead, they fled, physically and psychologically severing all bridges behind them.


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By amunaor, February 2, 2008 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

...If only Constantine had not rubbed salt into the already distant and metastasizing wound, exacerbating the trauma by mythologizing it and weaving his own egocentric psychodrama of empire around it, giving birth to the vile religious predations and persecutions which then issued forth from the new Roman throne, solely to satiate the newly emerging imperial cravings of ego and empire, it may not have manifested into the daemons of today. In this, Constantine inherited the trauma and xenophobia of the Atonist followers of Moses, passed along, cloaked in a new garb, continuing today. Following Constantine’s ascension to the throne, his first order of the day was to have his own son executed. On his deathbed Constantine remained a true Atonist, ensconced in his epithet: Sol In Victus.

The Knights Templar, through many of their excursions into the Middle East, mingling with the local Arab population, gained them a knowledge that would later become the cause for their demise. Apart from an envious lust for the wealth amassed by the Templar’s, what the Roman throne feared most of all was the Templar’s pulling on the thread of Constantine’s myth, unraveling the entire cloak of deception; for the discovery revealed the true character upon which the myth of Constantine had been woven; was that of John the Baptist. Heresy was the most expedient tool to levy charges against the ‘evil doers’ in that day as they too had become terrorists, enemies of the state; for which they were hunted down, tortured, burned and scattered. This same illusion of empire infects the world psyche pool, upon which the Constantine’s ship continues to sail forward.

I feel deep remorse and sorrow for the Arabic Israeli fractures, this 2000 year old, ill Roman wind has wrought; whose treachery and the barbarous spilling of blood pours through out the pages of our history; bathing the Imperial thrones both, secular and religious, with the anointment of its shed blood; in homage to the god of war and a rule by force; stealing the crown that would coronate all future kings and queens, in the wake of its turbulence.

Those very same ill winds, now fill the lungs of a xenophobic fundamentalist movement in the Christian right. This is the psychosis which permeates and drives the sails of the current legion of neo-Roman egos; prowling the empire upon their corporate fed metallic horses and sky-birds; the Atonist Constantine; salt in the wound of Akhenaton, whose myopia slew the boy king, Tutankhmun.

Where is Is-Ra-El; Isis, Ra and Elohim, in all of this? Through a comfortably numb symbiosis, Israel, then and now continues as a surrogate in the clutches of its Neo-Roman host; whose ego is stroked with the offer of a seat at the table of empire; trapped within the established psychodrama, magnified through layers of persecuted history; manifest today in the reactionary forces of Zionism and Neo-Christian xenophobia; a psychosis, buried in the history of Akhenaton, have become their own worst enemies; a reflection of their persecutors xenophobia; triply magnified through the lens of their own myopia.

If your interested in pursuing this line of investigative study, I recommend starting with Osman’s ‘Stranger in the Valley of the Kings’ for the discovery here is pivotal to all else, followed by, ‘The House of the Messiah’.

Christianity should not have hated magic; but human igno¬rance always fears the unknown. High Science was obliged to conceal itself, to avoid the impassioned aggressions of a blind love. It enveloped itself in new hieroglyphs, concealed its efforts, and disguised its hopes; then was created the jargon of alchemy, its own tree of lights, a continual deception for the vulgar herd, greedy of gold, a living language to the higher self; brought out of Egypt.

But, the Victors always write the history, while we sit, scratching our heads in bewilderment and walk around in circles.

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By lilmamzer, February 2, 2008 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

New York Sun Editorial - January 9, 2008

In remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in Chicago in March, Mr. Obama spoke about his first visit to Israel, in January 2006. “I flew on an IDF helicopter to the border zone. The helicopter took us over the most troubled and dangerous areas and that narrow strip between the West Bank and the Mediterranean Sea. At that height, I could see the hills and the terrain that generations have walked across. I could truly see how close everything is and why peace through security is the only way for Israel,” Mr. Obama said.

Mr. Obama spoke of “a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy.” Quoth he: “That will always be my starting point.” Mr. Obama spoke of the threat of Iran. “President Ahmadinejad has denied the Holocaust. He held a conference in his country, claiming it was a myth. But we know the Holocaust was as real as the 6 million who died in mass graves at Buchenwald, or the cattle cars to Dachau or whose ashes clouded the sky at Auschwitz. We have seen the pictures. We have walked the halls of the Holocaust museum in Washington and Yad Vashem. We have touched the tattoos on loved-ones arms. After 60 years, it is time to deny the deniers,” he said.

He took Israel’s side against those who would fault it for its actions in Lebanon in the Summer of 2006. “When Israel is attacked, we must stand up for Israel’s legitimate right to defend itself,” Mr. Obama said. “Last summer, Hezbollah attacked Israel. By using Lebanon as an outpost for terrorism, and innocent people as shields, Hezbollah has also engulfed that entire nation in violence and conflict, and threatened the fledgling movement for democracy there.”

And Mr. Obama rejected the idea, put forth by Israel’s false friends, that America does Israel any favors by exerting pressure in the name of peace. “We should never seek to dictate what is best for the Israelis and their security interests. No Israeli Prime Minister should ever feel dragged to or blocked from the negotiating table by the United States,” Mr. Obama said. “When I am president, the United States will stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel,” Mr. Obama told the National Jewish Democratic Council in February of 2007.

As a candidate, he has chosen to put himself on the record in terms that Israel’s friends in America, at least those not motivated by pure political partisanship, can warmly welcome.

Sounds like a Zionist to me, and I’m liking it.

By the way, <strike>Truth</strike>CrapDig posters - you’re all invited to my house for a kick-ass 60th Birthday Party - we’re gonna dance and rock out all night long. Booze, beautiful babes (hell, maybe even a few in IDF uniforms if we’re lucky) and lots of good times. Seriously - you can come join the festivities and I’ll send you the particulars if you email me at lilmamzer at the Y-hoo place. Bring some wine and bring a friend or just bring yourself.

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By daavid, February 2, 2008 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you Mr. Lando for your truth telling. Yes, we have been told many lies/fiction about our history that we are willing/doing wrong to others. As a Jew, I am ashamed to hear what Israel/USA is doing to other races that do not agree with us. Persians/Iranian are right, why shouldn’t we question history. If the history is not accurate then the logical behavior is to question it. If you have enjoyed Mr. Lando’s writing then please visit site and you will find his writings refreshing. He is a great human being. People should rise up and speak up.

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By Tony Wicher, February 2, 2008 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

I’m an old Zappa fan and I love this song. I’m religious myself, in that I believe that there is such a thing as timeless love that has no distinction between me and you, we and they, my people and yours, my country and yours, my religion and yours, my sacred book and yours, and only this can bring about what we all yearn for, that is peace on earth. That love does not come out of any so-called sacred book, but only in the freedom from the past and from all ideologies and all conditioning.

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By jackpine savage, February 2, 2008 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

Whoever we are
Wherever were from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
Its gonna take a lot more
Than tryin to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether

They call it the earth
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
cause we behave the same…
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near n far
Dumb all over,
Black n white
People, we is not wrapped tight

Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin the bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Dont believe in the book
We got over here

You cant run a race
Without no feet
n pretty soon
There wont be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religious fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it wont blow up
n disappear
Itll just look ugly
For a thousand years…)

You cant run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgen
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state

To arms! to arms!
Hooray! thats great
Two legs aint bad
Unless theres a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
The good book says:
(it gotta be that way!)
But their book says:
Revenge the crusades…
With whips n chains
n hand grenades…
Two arms? two arms?
Have another and another
Our God says:
There aint no other!
Our God says
Its all okay!
Our God says
This is the way!

It says in the book:
Burn n destroy…
n repent, n redeem
n revenge, n deploy
n rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
cause they dont go for whats in the book
n that makes em bad
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice french bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise our god
(cause he can really take care of business!)

And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
Its okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
cause if we dont do it,
We aint gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book youre using at the
Time…cant use theirs… it dont work
...its all lies…gotta use mine…)
Aint that right?
Thats what they say
Every night…
Every day…
Hey, we cant really be dumb
If were just following gods orders
Hey, lets get serious…
God knows what hes doin
He wrote this book here
An the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,
If were dumb…
Then God is dumb…
(an maybe even a little ugly on the side)

~Frank Zappa

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By jackpine savage, February 2, 2008 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

Buddhism is the only sane choice for a religion.

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