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Posted on Nov 29, 2007
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Zegart says that intelligence agencies’ performance has improved marginally since 9/11, but that’s not saying much.

James Harris and Josh Scheer

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Harris: And one of the things that I noticed about your book is that you say the reason for many of these failures are the cherished features of American democracy.  Frequent elections, the separation of powers, majority rule, political compromise—these all constrain presidential power and give Congress little incentive to create an effective foreign policy system.  Can you elaborate on that for me?

Zegart: Yeah, it’s one of the great ironies of our democratic system.  What some of the things that we think are so wonderful about our democracy, the separation of powers and the congressional bicameral Congress, create a fragmented system that requires compromise to succeed.  We typically think compromise is a good thing; but from the standpoint of designing an intelligence agency, it’s a terrible thing.  Because what it does is it means that opponents of any reform have a say in how that reform is created.  And so you’re literally allowing enemies of a new agency like the CIA, back in the 1940s, or the director of national intelligence today, you’re allowing opponents of that new agency to sabotage its creation from the outset.  So one of the reasons why the CIA could not coordinate all the other agencies of intelligence of the 50 years before 9/11 was because that agency was deliberately crippled in the legislation that created it in 1947.

Harris: This is simply fascinating.  Why have I never heard anything like this before?

Zegart: Because my parents haven’t sent you my last book.

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Harris: Now how did you come about his information; how did you even start to study this?  Are there people doing similar studies?

Zegart: Not many people are actually studying intelligence.  In fact I took a look at the top 25 universities ranked by U.S. News & World Report to see how many of the universities were offering undergraduate courses on intelligence agencies.  And the answer was just four last year.  More universities on the top 25 offered courses on the history of rock ‘n’ roll than U.S. intelligence agencies.  So it’s an area where you’d think there would be a lot more interest in studying, but there hasn’t been in the academic community.

Scheer: And why is that?  Why don’t we care about the history, or certainly in the top 25 universities, care about the history of the intelligence community?  Is it that we like rock ‘n’ roll ?

Zegart: I think with the incentives that academics have to focus on theory rather than policy relevant issues; it has to do with the difficulty of getting information.  Forget classified information.  It’s incredibly difficult even to get unclassified information on these topics from government agencies.  It took me five years to get my hands on the documents and the interviews that I needed to be able to write this book.  So it’s a real challenge.  And academics don’t, in political science—these days don’t get rewarded for doing policy-related work because policy is a dirty word in academia these days.

Scheer: ... [T]he NSA and the security agencies seem not to ever let anything out.  Is that secrecy?  It doesn’t seem good; it doesn’t seem to allow for things to be fixed because there’s no one doing oversight, there’s no one watching the store, right?  Wouldn’t it be better if some of the stuff was made public quicker and earlier so we would know what’s going on and we could help ... Congress or the executive branch ... ?  Couldn’t we help them better if we knew what was going on?  Or is it important to keep it secret?

Zegart: I think it’s both.  I think there are certain things we have to keep secret, and I understand and appreciate that.  But there’s no reason, for example, the CIA’s own 9/11 review is classified two years after it was finished except for the 19 pages that Congress required the agency to release a few weeks ago.  So I understand the need for secrecy, but I think that it’s really important, not just for academics, but for the public and the Congress, to have an idea of what these agencies are doing and what the continuing problems are.  Because you can’t fix problems you don’t know about.

Harris: Amy, how prepared are we to respond in catching the criminals, in your opinion, given the report you’ve just written?

Zegart: Well, I think there are two components to that question.  One is, are we in a better position now to prevent the next 9/11?  And I worry that the answer is not much.  As a second is, are we going to do ourselves more damage in our response to the next catastrophic attack, and I worry about that response, Homeland Security part of the equation, as well.  We still have things like interoperability problems between first-responders.  We still don’t have good triage systems for getting, say, the Port of Los Angeles in Long Beach, where I live, the nation’s busiest port, up and running again after a catastrophic incident.  We have a long, long way to go.


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By A Khokar, January 10, 2008 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

It is all well said and done; that how best we should train and prepare our intelligence agencies to penetrate into enemy lines to gather the intelligence about enemy plots against US i.e. of Al-Qaeda etc and also carry out covert operations to counter them before hand.

But have we ever thought of it that what were the major follies committed that turned our once bosom fiends like Mujahideen into our enemy; Taliban and Al- Qaeda.

And what is being done in this field that once again we should be swinging the same swing of friend ship with AL-Qaeda zealots?

It requires a strong courage to accept our follies and the will power; that probably we are deficient of?

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By Bill Blackolive, January 7, 2008 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment
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In a schizoid nation official intelligence will be no good every time.

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By blogdog, January 3, 2008 at 2:06 am Link to this comment
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incompetence is the best cover going - blowback is the best excuse of all for all the terror they need- truth be told: 9/11 was the greatest intelligence success of all time, not the worst intelligence failure - think it through - the black-op/psy-op to end all - 2 things to never forget:

1. “Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

2. “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

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By Chris from the Right side of Maui, January 3, 2008 at 12:45 am Link to this comment

...after being crippled by the Clinton administration?

Easy to blame the current administration for a situation that they inherited.

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By karim29007, January 1, 2008 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

On Palestinians’ related issues

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65 UN Resolutions against the Zionist entity and 65 times US vetoes.
Source: UN resolutions archives 1955-1992.

Aside from the core issues—refugees,3.5 - millions that have been barred to return to their homes, Jerusalem, borders—the major themes reflected in the U.N. resolutions against the Zionist entity over the years-
Its unlawful and continues attacks and aggressions on its neighbours;

Its violations of the human rights of the Palestinians, including deportations, demolitions of homes and other collective punishments;

Its land-grab and confiscation of Palestinian properties and belonging;

Its establishment of illegal settlements;

Its refusal to abide by any of the U.N. Charter, including mass productions on WMD, nuclear, chemical and biological.

The rejection of 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.
During their latest attack on Lebanon the cowardice Zionist Luftwaffe dropped nearly 3-million cluster-bombs alone on the south-Lebanon’s towns and villages. (Pentagon’s warehouses were depleted just to supply the requirements)!

It is amazing what an Ozi sub-machine gun in a hand of an hired assassin is capable of!!

P.S.:
If Americans Knew

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By Howard, December 24, 2007 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

The town of Rafah, divided between Egyptian and Palestinian halves on the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt, has served for years as the main route for smuggling weapons into Gaza used by terrorists to attack Israeli civilians and soldiers.


The Israeli army has uncovered 90 arms-smuggling tunnels running between Egyptian and Palestinian Rafah, tunnels used to deliver the rifles used earlier this year to slaughter pregnant mother Tami Hatuel and her four daughters, aged 11 to two. The same tunnels were used to smuggle the weapons and explosives used to kill 13 soldiers in just one week.
In recent days, IDF Intelligence has learned of terrorists’ intentions to smuggle a number of shoulder-launched Strella anti-aircraft missiles into Gaza, along with Sagger anti-tank missiles and long-range Katyusha rockets. Such munitions would threaten Israeli civilians far beyond the boundaries of the Gaza Strip.

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By karim29007, December 23, 2007 at 5:36 am Link to this comment

On Palestinians related issues.
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Israel planning 1000 West Bank apartments’ Jerusalem Post
Last week, the people in Rafah, a Palestinian village on the border with Egypt, woke up at 6 o’clock in the morning due to the rumbling and rolling of the Zionists’ tanks and armoured vehicles entering the village.

Under the cover of darkness the sleepy inhabitants were given 30-minutes to get out of their homes.

As punctual as they are when it comes to murder defenceless women and children, sick and old, the so-brave Zionist Army started relentlessly hammering the people of Rafah, destroying over 100 homes, leaving at least 1000 civilians, amongst them many infirm and old in freezing temperature homeless.

The image of these people, standing by helplessly as they watch their walls and roofs cave in under the pressure of the armoured, D-9 and D-10 American made Caterpillar bulldozers—supplied to the Zionist army by the regime in Washington, as demanded by the consolidated Zionist consortium.

This image would make anyone of conscience with sleepless nights, but it makes you sleepless because one cannot stop thinking about the horror Rachel Corrie, the 23 years young American peace activist, crashed under the similar D9s and D10s.

Rachel worked in Rafah. Undoubtedly, she would have known some of the people killed, wounded and made homeless by this latest attack, had she were given chance to live her young life .

Rachel died in Rafah. She herself fell victim to the crushing blade of the bulldozer, the Zionist driver so intently anxious on destroying a home that he had to destroy human life to do so.

You feel the pain in your heart and soul.

The Rachel’s death, underreported as it was, the normal policy of the main stream US media and not reporting the continues Palestinians genocide did not come as surprise, just a norm.

The typically unquestioning support of the Zionists’ policy by the existing regime in W/H simply invites the cowardly Zionist Army takes Caterpillar armoured bulldozers, and uses them as WMD destruction to inflict collective punishment on defenceless Palestinian civilians, in violation of every international law as they have been doing so for the last 60 years.

Caterpillar’s own published policy of social responsibility, which states that its “commitment to financial success must also take into account social, economic, political and environmental priorities,” a policy guided by “high ethical standards” that seek to guarantee its “reputation for integrity”, is nothing but stinking all hot air when you are dealing with these psychopathic puppet-masters of AIPAC whom controlling the very way of life in America.

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By PatrickHenry, December 21, 2007 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

I hope Bush is over there to tell Israel that if they do something provocative he may not be able to bail them out this time.

Unless of course he becomes the motive.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847398265&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

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By Howard, December 21, 2007 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

RE:  post by #121736 by karim29007 on 12/21 at 12:25 pm saying:

“The Zionists’ denial of Palestinians’ right to a nationhood, living within secure border has been substituted by 60 years of savagery and genocide. “
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On November 29, 1947, the United Nations voted to create a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine. Soon Israel will celebrate its 60th birthday and the Palestinians could be having one of their own if they had accepted the international community’s judgment that the just solution to the conflicting claims of Jews and Arabs in Palestine/Israel was the establishment of two states. Instead, the Arabs decided they would not accept or recognize a Jewish state in their midst and sought to destroy it. As we saw during the conference convened in Annapolis last week on November 27, little has changed.

Few people besides historians know that the Arab states did not go to war in 1947-48 to create a Palestinian state. They were more interested in carving the territory up for themselves. Even the Palestinians expressed little enthusiasm for statehood at the time as most saw themselves more closely associated with Syria or what was then Transjordan than any independent state of Palestine.

As they did then, the Arab states do little today beyond give lip service to the idea of establishing a Palestinian state. A majority of Jordan’s population is Palestinian and it really is a Palestinian state, geographically and historically, as well as demographically. The Jordanians have consistently feared the establishment of a Palestinian state because of their recognition that the Palestinians were nearly as likely to turn their violence in the direction of Amman as they were to direct it at Tel Aviv.

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By PatrickHenry, December 21, 2007 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

The Palistinians better leave Bush alone over there, if he dies or is assassinated, Cheney becomes the Lame Duck Prez and we’re all fucked.

Some Islamic Holy man predicted that Bush would be assassinated years ago, anybody remember that?

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By karim29007, December 21, 2007 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

On NIE and Palestinians genocide
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The Zionists’ denial of Palestinians’ right to a nationhood, living within secure border has been substituted by 60 years of savagery and genocide.

Just how awful the murderous occupation is , how cruel the onslaughts on women and children are , how immortalised became the massacres in “Sabra,  Shatila,  Jenin, …and the daily existence of killing fields all over the occupied Arabs’ land is just a reminder to all decent fellow human the psychopathic nature of the Zionists.

Every now and then a courageous Jew whom is no longer capable of suppressing his/her utter disgust and revulsion of what is happening in the West bank and Gaza, unveil a small tip of an iceberg.

Cheap and irrelevant smiting only reveals and unmasks the venomous nastiness, ignorance and illiterate mentality of those full-time Zionists site-watchers whom theirs only contribution to the debate is hatred and disinformation.

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By Howard, December 21, 2007 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

RE:  post by #121569 by karim29007 on 12/20 at 2:35 pm
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Gaza: story of suffering, destruction and death.
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GAZA: story of self destruction and exporting of death

Hamas insists they’ll keep fighting until Palestine stretches from the river to the sea.

Hamas is really the Palestinian Nazi Party .  This is a party, Hamas, that calls for the obliteration of the Jewish state (in so many words) and the killing of Jews because they are Jews (in so many words), and cites the Koranic damnation of Jews and incitement to murder Jews in justification. Hamas is a party of Islamic fanatics who are part of the global jihad against the United States and the West, whose hero is Osama bin Laden. Hamas was the biggest foreign supporter of Saddam Hussein. With this vote in record numbers, the Palestinian people have joined en masse the Axis of Evil. They are the self-declared enemies of Jews, of America and of civilized values, and should be treated as such. The Palestinians have declared with their votes they want no peace.  They should be given none.

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By karim29007, December 20, 2007 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

Gaza: story of suffering, destruction and death.
By URI AVNERY
Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer and peace activist in TelAviv


The people of Gaza are worried. The Hamas fighters are preparing for action. The chiefs of the Israeli army are both worried and preparing for action.
For every Israeli military or political planner, the Gaza strip is a nightmare. It is about 40 km long and 10 km wide. In this 360 square kilometers of parched desert, hardly twice the area of Washington DC, there are crowded 1.5 million human beings, almost all of them destitute, who have nothing to lose.
According to the estimate of our military, an invasion of the Gaza Strip may cost the lives of a hundred Israeli soldiers and thousands of Palestinian fighters and civilians. The Israeli army will deploy tanks and armoured bulldozers, and the world will see terrible pictures - the same kind of pictures that our army tried to suppress and that caused a world-wide outcry against the “Jenin Massacre” during the 2002 “Defensive Shield” operation.
No doubt, the Israeli army will overcome the resistance, whatever the price on both sides, perhaps by demolishing whole neighbourhoods and massive slaughter. But what then?
As will be remembered, Sharon dismantled the settlements and evacuated the Strip to the Palestinian Authority but turned the territory into a giant prison. All connections with the outside world were cut - the Israeli navy cut the sea lanes, the border with Egypt was effectively sealed, the airport remained destroyed, the building of a harbour was prevented by force. The promised “safe passage” between the Strip and the West Bank was hermetically sealed, all crossings in and out of the Strip remained under total Israeli control, to be opened and closed arbitrarily. The employment of tens of thousands of Gazan workers in Israel, on which the livelihood of almost the entire Strip depended, was terminated.
Israel blocks all imports into the strip, except for a short list of about half a dozen basic articles. 900 trucks used to be employed daily for the imports and exports of the Gaza Strip, now their number is reduced to 15. For example, no soap is allowed in.
Local water is undrinkable. Israel does not let in bottled water. Nor does Israel allow the importation water pumps. The price of water filters has gone up from $40 to $250, there are no spare parts at all for filters. Only the well-to-do can still afford them. However, chlorine is let in.
There is no import of cement. When there is a hole in the ceiling, it cannot be repaired. The building site for the children’s hospital stands silent. There are no spare parts of any kind. A medical instrument that goes out of order cannot be repaired. Not even incubators for babies or dialysis equipment.
The severely sick cannot reach hospital - neither in Israel, nor in Egypt or Jordan. The few permits issued are often delivered after a deadly delay. In many instances, patients are condemned to death.
Practically all enterprises have been closed and their workers thrown onto the street for lack of raw materials. Life is now more expensive in Gaza than in Tel-Aviv. The black market is flourishing.
How do people exist? The members of extended families help each other. Well-to-do people support their relatives. UNRWA brings in the most basic foodstuffs and distributes them to the refugees, who are the majority of the inhabitants.
IS THERE another way out besides a massive invasion? Of course there is. But it requires imagination, boldness and a readiness to act contrary to established patterns.
In the words of Dylan Thomas: “And death shall have no dominion!”

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By Howard, December 19, 2007 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

There’ll Be No Peace in Our Time
        - Greg Sheridan

Even in the West Bank, the real power of the Palestinian Authority is very limited. Several West Bank cities are ruled by warlords, not the Authority. Indeed, Palestinian leaders cannot travel safely in all their own cities and are not ready to take over security in most of their cities from Israeli security forces. In truth, the PA does not have functioning state institutions. Two years ago, Israel did pull out of Gaza - and the result was that Hamas took over. Every day now, terrorists fire rockets - aimed at civilians - from Gaza into Israel. Eventually, one of these rockets will kill a large number of Israeli civilians and there will be a huge Israeli military response inside Gaza.

  The Annapolis process requires the fulfillment of the conditions of the Roadmap, the very first of which is that the Palestinians stamp out terrorism and stop attacks on Israeli civilians. There is no sign the PA can do this, or even that it really wants to. Its educational materials are full of hatred against Israel and incitement to terrorism.

And that is the fundamental problem. Neither the Palestinian leadership, nor most of the surrounding Arab states, have really come to grips with Israel’s right to exist at peace behind secure borders. Until that happens, no agreement is likely to work on the ground. The writer is foreign editor of The Australian. (Sunday Telegraph-Australia)

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By dead-on, December 19, 2007 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
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RE: The whole NSA warrantless wiretapping program —it’s generated a lot of controversy, and many view it as illegal, violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.  But the idea of the program was dead-on.

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Clearly, she’s a rich asset. The FISA court would have given warrants for literally anything the regime requested. So, why not request warrants? Simple, in reviewing a warrant, some of the mined data might cross the desk of an non-compromised judge, and if some of the data reveals one of their own black-ops (past present or future)...well, they wouldn’t want that, now would they? And, since it’s widely known that this regime has authorized more black-ops than any other ever, the conclusion is clear.

To be perfectly clear: The 911 Coup d’Etat was not an intelligence failure. It was a spectacular intelligence success.

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By karim29007, December 19, 2007 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

On NIE…

It was just only last week when NIE reports was allowed to see the light of the day, after being held-up almost for a year, for ‘appropriate adjustments’ , however it did not materialised. 
And having been attacked and rubbished by various Zionists and AIPAC’s agents, such an important matter have disappeared from the “media” completely!

The reason: The said intelligence report did not meet the Zionists’ requirements.
In last week’s debate amongst the democratic candidates for ’08 election senator KUCINICH   was excluded from the said debate!
Exclusion of Kucinich, Nadar and so forth are of no surprises.
America and real Americans have been excluded from the democratic process for almost 60 years.
The consolidated Zionists’ consortium with AIPAC as its CEO, for all practical purposes control every aspects of Americans way of life.
The international conspiracy operated by Zionists financiers to defraud the European, American and the rest of the world’s poor of their livelihood has become a norm for decades.
The ‘Zionist’  without a country , but with a bank, has no loyalty to the host nation, no solidarity with fellow citizen or any-man, only to the Gold and Goldberg’s.
To them ‘end justifies ANY means’ is their global approach.
Notwithstanding the role played by the Zionists’ capitalism in the production and reproduction of poverty and grief over and over everywhere during the ages is the part and parcel of the same process
At the same time it is somehow incomprehensible to understand why those whose supposedly history was of oppression have become the oppressors for so long and for so many .
As the 60 years-anniversary approaches , the genocide of Palestinians has turned into a routine and acceptable everyday activities by the Zionists.
That makes one’s wonder how this mentality has been evolved!

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By still wondering, December 19, 2007 at 11:55 am Link to this comment
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Hamas is a Creation of Mossad

by Hassane Zerouky
Global Research, January 27, 2006
Originally published in French by L’Humanité, translated by Global Research, this article originally appeared in Global Outlook, No 2, Summer 2002.

Thanks to the Mossad, Israel’s “Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks”, the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat’s Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.

Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), “The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority” in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. “They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad.”

complete article:  Global Research Articles by Hassane Zerouky

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ZER20060127&articleId=1818

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Is Lebanon Israel’s Iraq?
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
July 29, 2006

By Henry Makow Ph.D.


Telltale signs suggest that Freemason Ehud Olmert is obeying his Illuminati controllers and setting Israel up for a painful setback if not destruction. These signs include:

1.)Israel’s traitorous leaders have deliberately inflamed and united 1.2 billion Muslims in order to promote the “war of civilizations.”  Olmert’s acts are designed to further discredit Israel, just as Bush has discredited the US. This is the reason for the obliteration of the UN Observation Post, the use of phosphorous bombs, and the attacks on ambulances and civilians, the latest in Qana Sunday. Israel’s barbarism  seems designed to draw Syria and Iran into the war. Morally, it taints and entraps pro-war Israelis and their American and Jewish backers in the coming cataclysm.

continued: http://www.henrymakow.com/001663.html

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By Howard, December 19, 2007 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Argentina: Iran behind bombs at Israeli embassy, Jewish center

Iran was behind the bombings over a decade ago in Argentina against the Israeli embassy and Jewish community center, according to the country’s chief prosecutor, Alberto Nisman, who served as a special prosecutor investigating the attacks.

“I have no doubt that the most senior Iranian leadership, with the help of Hezbollah, is responsible for the attacks in Buenos Aires against AMIA [the community center in 1994] and the Israeli Embassy [in 1992],” Nisman said Tuesday night at the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism of the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya.

While investigating the two attacks, Nisman found the necessary legal evidence pointing directly to former Iranian president Hashemi Rafsanjani and his chief of intelligence, Ali Falahian, for their role in the decision to target the community center. 

Argentina has issued an international arrest warrant for Rafsanjani, Falahian and a number of Iranian diplomats for their suspected role in the attack. A special Interpol conference approved the warrant at an international gathering in Marrakesh last month.

Nisman told Haaretz that the Iranians had tried to bribe many countries, mostly from Africa, to vote against the Interpol decision.

He said that the breakthrough in the case came when he and his team identified with certainty the terrorist who carried out the truck bombing near the community center building in July 1994 - a Lebanese man, Ibrahim Hussein Berro. In the attack, 85 Argentines were killed and 230 were injured. Berro is believed to have come to Argentina a week or two before the attack.

He said Israel contributed to his investigation and that some of the information held by the Argentine Secret Service originated in the intelligence communities of Israel and the United States.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/936041.html

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By Howard, December 19, 2007 at 4:34 am Link to this comment

HAMAS, IN THIS CASE !

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#120868 by Howard on 12/17 at 6:39 pm
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Palestinian Rocket Wounds 2-Year-Old on Israeli Kibbutz

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The problem with any of this is that you never know if it’s PLO, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH or MOSSAD…no matter where the rockets come from or where the bombs explode - suicide bombers, how are they identified, why are they always identified so quickly and why are these questions never asked?

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By Howard, December 17, 2007 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

Palestinian Rocket Wounds 2-Year-Old on Israeli Kibbutz

A rocket fired by Palestinian militants from Gaza scored a direct hit on a house in Kibbutz Zikim, an Israeli communal farm less than a mile from Gaza, wounding a 2-year-old boy. The toddler was hit by shrapnel and taken to hospital, and his mother was being treated for shock, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said. (AP/Washington Post)

  Yair Farjun, who leads the regional council which includes Kibbutz Zikim, told the Israeli Web site Ynet: “Everybody here is terrified. It’s like being in a shooting range, like living on borrowed time.” (New York Times)

  See also Palestinian Rocket Hits Kibbutz Factory - Rebecca Anna Stoil

Palestinians in Gaza fired a Kassam rocket that slammed into a kibbutz factory near Gaza on Friday evening. The plant normally operates 24 hours a day, but fortunately was empty at the time. It destroyed equipment, but there were no casualties. Shrapnel was scattered throughout the coffee corner, where workers take their breaks. (Jerusalem Post)

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By PatrickHenry, December 17, 2007 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

re: #120752 by Howard

And who owns and/or manages these media outlets?  I know, persons who have ethnic or religious alligence to Israel.  It appears to me like Syria is being set up.

Israel has a more pronounced history, i.e. Lavon affair, USS Liberty, King David Hotel, etc. of political assassination, false flag operation, and outright war crimes, than Syria.

No, If I’m sitting on the jury, Israel is guilty.

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By karim29007, December 17, 2007 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

On NIE…

The Zionist’s spy-ring in and on America.

For once America opted to embrace fact instead of fiction in place of blind obedience and in accordance to the AIPAC instructions and the rest of the consolidated Zionists consortium.
Now all of a sudden the Zionist entity has become like a cornered beast,  lashing out any and all it perceives to threaten its global interests as a the way forward to its global domination.
Their lunatic reactions has been best manifested by Avi Dichter, the Zionist’s public security minister whom called it as a “fraud and flawed document that could lead the Middle East down the path of regional war”! (One must remember the IAEA exhaustive conclusions on the very subject).

The Zionists entity’s point of view,  from the time of its inception has always been constructed on a foundation of intolerance, absolute racism,  irresponsible unilateralism, violence and genocide that has divorced the said entity from global norms.
In this day and age of nuclear non-proliferation, the undeclared nuclear arsenal of the Zionists stands as perhaps the most egregious example of how Zionist-only standard has been the cause of destabilization in the Middle East.
It is the Zionists nuclear weapons program, including its strategic delivery systems, that is the core of instability for this very volatile region.


Just consider how the Zionists returns this friendship of the United States of America. The regime in Tel-Aviv has embarked on a sadistically course of hateful actions that are unbelievable at best even when one examines them from a purely standpoint; they are nothing less than a betrayal of the United States and every decent American when examined from a broader perspective.

The insidious manner in which the current Zionist regime has manipulated the domestic and foreign political machinery of the United States to produce support for its end-gain constitutes nothing less than direct interference in the governance of a sovereign state. The degree to which the current Zionist regime has succeeded in this regard can be tracked not only by the words and actions of the “administration of President George W. Bush and the American Congress”, but also by the extent to which a pro-Zionist lexicon has taken hold within the mainstream media of the United States. Witness the pro-Zionists bias displayed when discussing the situation in Lebanon, the air strike in Syria, or the Iranian situation, and above all the near- extermination of Palestinians and the retarding of any effort toward a responsible discussion of anything dealing with the Zionists becomes apparent.

Is this a signal that America is waking-up?

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By Howard, December 17, 2007 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

Re Post by #120654 by PatrickHenry on 12/16 at 7:28 pm
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re:  #120149 by Howard

Your claim is debatable.  I live in Washington and doubt alot of what is written now days by the Post especially if it concerns Israel

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I don’t think its debatable.  The Washington Post and Reuters are better documentation than your rag tag web site that quotes Syria as saying that they are are not involved in last weeks bombing of Lebanese Army general Francois Haji. Your aking the fox.

Lordee, Syria has been implicated in 11 of the last 12 car bomb-assasinations in last 18 months. And this General led the army into the Palestinian camp in Lebanon to help root out Hezballah instigators.

So Hezballah or their mentors Syria have the motives.

Here is the Wall Street Journal’s editorial:

“Hajj made a name for himself earlier this year by routing Fatah al-Islam, a Sunni terrorist group that had been hiding out in the Palestinian refugee camp of Nahr al-Bared. This led to speculation that Hajj was killed by that group to avenge its defeat. While that may be true, what’s more significant is that Fatah al-Islam is widely suspected of being controlled and aided by Damascus. The sophistication of the bomb that killed Hajj - a remote-control device similar to the one that killed anti-Syrian figures Gebran Tueni, Walid Eido and Antoine Ghanem - underscores that suspicion.
  On Tuesday, Syrian Vice President Farouq Sharaa remarked that “no one in Lebanon, even with foreign support, can win the battle against Syria.” The next day Hajj was dead, which was a perfect illustration of Sharaa’s point. “(Wall Street Journal)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119767451989130385.html

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By bachu, December 17, 2007 at 5:29 am Link to this comment
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Did you know that US aid to Israel ($1.8 billion annually in military aid alone) exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent?  and yet people doubt the biblical prophetic role of Israel in world history.


This is nothing short of the miraculous because I have yet to meet anybody who had anything good to say about Israel.

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By PatrickHenry, December 16, 2007 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

re:  #120149 by Howard

Your claim is debatable.  I live in Washington and doubt alot of what is written now days by the Post especially if it concerns Israel.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/157324.html

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By John Borowski, December 16, 2007 at 4:41 am Link to this comment
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My dearest Novista did your first grade teacher instruct you as to proper way to read, understand, and interpret a comment. When I say the country of Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson, I mean the COUNTRY OF Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson. I am not writing about good, bad, and in-between characteristics of a person.

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By PatrickHenry, December 14, 2007 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

re: #120175 by karim29007

And don’t forget Dov Zakheim, AKA MEGA, AKA fish that got away.

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By karim29007, December 14, 2007 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

On America’s dysfunctional intelligence agencies.
ZIONISTS SPY-RINGS
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In the memory of Jonathon pollard ,Larry Franklin and………….

Poor Jonathon Pollard and Larry Franklin!
For some years, the line between Israel and the U.S.-in terms of policies, of perceived national interests, of patriotic fervour- has been slowly disappearing, and in the circles that Pollard and Franklin used to travel, among the coterie of neocons inside and outside the Bush regime, there never was a line at all. Aren’t Israel’s interests U.S. interests? Isn’t it true that what’s good for the U.S. is good for Israel? (Or maybe that should be the other way around.)
Why shouldn’t they give classified documents to Israel so they could be traded off with the Russians? Why shouldn’t they traffic in secret material with Israel’s principal lobbyists in Washington? It’s really all the same country anyway!
Yet here were Pollard and Franklin, just doing what comes naturally amongst Zionists, minding their own business (Israel’s business was their business, as it was the business of Franklin’s boss Douglas Feith and of his boss’s boss Paul Wolfowitz whom is now (the chairman of International SECURITY Advisory BAORD!) and Donald Rumsfeld the x-Secretary of Defence,  caught up in an anachronistic bureaucratic snafu by some FBI agents who actually still seem to believe that Israel is different from the U.S.( they should have been reprimanded for interfering and not minding their own business!), and of course Dick Cheney knows what’s what. And don’t misunderestimate George Bush’s own fealty to his buddy Ariel Sharon whom after all “we control AMERICA”. And why not!
Besides in the word of John Kerry ” The cause of Israel, he says, “must be the cause of America.” What more could these spies are looking for? Who needs the neocons?
So don’t worry, Jonathan, Larry ,…………..…You are all in safe hands!

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By Howard, December 14, 2007 at 7:52 am Link to this comment

Lebanese Bombing Killed General Who Led Offensive Against Islamic Militants, Al-Qaeda Suspected - Bassem Mroue

Lebanese Army investigators on Thursday looked into the possible involvement of al-Qaeda-inspired extremists in the bombing Wednesday that killed Brig. Gen. Francois Hajj, chief of military operations, who led a three-month military campaign which ended in September that crushed Fatah Islam in Nahr el-Bared in northern Lebanon. Security officials said there was a strong possibility that Islamic extremists or dormant Fatah Islam cells carried out the attack. (AP/Washington Post)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/13/AR2007121300513.html
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Bush Warns Against Syrian Interference in Lebanon - Tabassum Zakaria

President Bush on Thursday warned Syria against interfering in Lebanon, as investigators tried to determine who was responsible for the assassination of a top Lebanese general. Gen. Hajj was the ninth in a string of assassinations that began with the 2005 killing of former Premier Rafik al-Hariri, and was the first military officer to be killed. The other attacks targeted anti-Syrian figures. (Reuters)

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSWAT00857920071213

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By weather, December 13, 2007 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment
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Howard, lets talk about Netanyahu, who w/a face like foot and an ego that shows-up on Doppler radar, encapsulates draconian Israel.

All America needs to know about Ben, we could have gleened from Rabin’s widow. Have a nice day.

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By PatrickHenry, December 13, 2007 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

#120035 by Howard

  “Ya know; as they’re still knocking off Lebanons’ leaders with car bombs, etc.”

Who, the Syrians?  More likely Israeli sponsered assassins.

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By Howard, December 13, 2007 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

re:  Post by#119931 by weather on 12/13 at 5:16 am
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Who says:

” What Israel hates most?

Getting caught in the headlights of their very own remarkable arrogance and manipulating deceit and finding no one else to put blame on. “

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The title of the topic we’re discussing is not countries , but our “Intelligence agencies”. No?

Otherwise I believe you misprinted anyways and you meant to write or have it come out :


“What SYRIA hates most?

Getting caught in the headlights of their very own remarkable arrogance and manipulating deceit and finding no one else to put blame on. “

Ya know; as they’re still knocking off Lebanons’ leaders with car bombs, etc.

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By John Borowski, December 13, 2007 at 6:32 am Link to this comment
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If you are interested in why NASA is having so much trouble with engine cut off sensors. This is the Shuttle’s report card of the folks that make the sensors that regularly fail. LH2 ECO: (Engine Cutoff Sensors) Excessive wear on swage tool. No criteria for tool wear on drawing. Modifications had been made to the element winding tool without approval by Lockheed Martin. The supplier had used NASA tools, such as the swage tool bed, on other products, in violation of contractual agreements.
Thus, it was concluded, that known sensor swage process and tooling control issues noted on sensors fabricated during 1996 timeframe is a possible cause of erratic sensor behavior.

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By weather, December 13, 2007 at 6:16 am Link to this comment
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What Israel hates most?

Getting caught in the headlights of their very own remarkable arrogance and manipulating deceit and finding no one else to put blame on.

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By karim29007, December 12, 2007 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

On America’s dysfunctional intelligence agencies.
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Here is why!

ZIONIST’S spying in and on AMERICA AND AMERICANS

Fox News: Israeli Spy ring
Filed under:
• USA
• Jewry, “Israel”, Zionism…

May 28, 2003 - 11:36
It turns out that Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America; information of great value even if one does not listen to the calls themselves. Amdocs, Inc., the company which subcontracts billing and directory services for phone companies around the world, including 90 percent of American phone companies, is owned by Israeli interests. Yet another company, Comverse Infosys, is suspected of having built a “back door” into the equipment permanently installed into the phone system that allows instant eavesdropping by law enforcement agencies on any phone in America. This includes yours.
Fox News, alone of all the media, actually ran the story as a four part broadcast, and put the story up on its web site. Then, without explanation, Fox News erased the story from their web site and have never mentioned it again._
Part 1 at YouTube
Part 2 at YouTube
Part 2 at YouTube
Part 4 at YouTube
BRIT HUME, HOST: It has been more than 16 years since a civilian working for the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel. Jonathan Pollard pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is serving a life sentence. At first, Israeli leaders claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but later took responsibility for his work. 
CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.
There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are “tie-ins.” But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, “evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”
Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis, spotted in North Carolina recently, is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the United States is also investigating for links to terrorism. Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to September 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States.
Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that’s been compiling evidence since the mid ‘90s. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say, “may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity.”
The first part of the investigation focuses on Israelis who say they are art students from the University of Jerusalem and Bazala Academy. They repeatedly made contact with U.S. government personnel, the report says, by saying they wanted to sell cheap art or handiwork.
Documents say they, “targeted and penetrated military bases.” The DEA, FBI and dozens of government facilities, and even secret offices and unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel. The majority of those questioned, “stated they served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance intercept and or explosive ordinance units.”
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As for the rest google it!

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By Howard, December 11, 2007 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

RE: post by   #119445 by 1dree5 on 12/11 at 8:17 am
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I looked all thru Haaretz and could not find this article.  Let me know if you can find it.

If true it is proper to give that Israeli newspaper credit galore for sure.  Even if it all happened 20 years ago.

As in the U.S. ,  credit in democracies, as compaed to terrorist groups and countries, we get light on them so they do not happen again. Like Abugrahb prison, Blackwater shootings, Mylai, shootings of families and rape in Iraq by our soldiers that were punished by our military.

No one condones young people in military situations to act like this.  But its at a minimumin the Israeli army and the U.S. army.  NOT official policy by any stretch. Of any western army.

As compared to the killer terrorists who kill and maim civilians and children day after day as routine events ordained by Allah.

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By Howard, December 11, 2007 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

The National Intelligence Estimate Fantasy -

In August 2002, an Iranian opposition group revealed that Iran had an undeclared uranium enrichment facility at Natanz and an undeclared heavy water facility at Arak - both previously unknown to the U.S. intelligence community. Since then, the U.S. has labored to persuade the international community that all these facilities have no conceivable purpose other than a military one. Those efforts paid off in successive UN Security Council resolutions demanding Iran suspend enrichment because it was “concerned by the proliferation risks” it posed.

Along comes the NIE to instantly undo four years of diplomacy, using a semantic sleight-of-hand to suggest some kind of distinction can be drawn between Iran’s bid to master the nuclear fuel cycle and its efforts to build nuclear weapons. It’s certainly plausible Tehran may have suspended one aspect of the program - the aspect that is the least technically challenging and that, if exposed, would offer smoking-gun proof of ill intent.

http://opinionjournal.com/columnists/bstephens/?id=110010974

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By Novista, December 11, 2007 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

@ John B

I’ll waive Washington and Jefferson, but you really need to read up on the real Lincoln. The First Republican virtually wrote the ‘unitary executive’ playbook that Dubya uses today.

Ignore habeas corpus, indefinite detention of critics without charge or trial, deporting the Ohio congresscritter than criticised his policies. Protectionist tariffs, nationalised bank, repudiate the gold standard in favour of ‘greenbacks’, a note and a promise ... and he knew the white race, his, was superior. Save the union was his mantra, aside from the old Whig ‘American System’ agenda. Slavery? Nothing to do with much of anything—he advocated sending them all to Haiti. Or Central America. The Westward territories were to be reserved for white people.

And oh! but those nasty rebs seceded. Well, historical fact, the New England states considered that three times. Most scholars of the Constitution recognise that secession was the act of the Revolution, and in keeping with the original concept of a voluntary association of states.

And as far as other Northern sentiment, Illinois, for one, had a NIMBY law: no blacks in our state, no way. Even deToqueville commented that racist was stronger in the north than the south. But what would you expect from a ‘furriner’!

And, back OT, intelligence agencies, 16 or is it 17 (depends on who is counting ... ) my take is: what bang do we get for our buck? And my conclusion is, not-a-lot!

And someone could ask Sibel Edmonds about the ~culture~ of the FBI. And the Kean Keystone Kops 9/11 omission. And Mr. “I don’t recall” Waxman. And the MSM.

I nearly ran over J. Edgar Hoover one early Sunday morning (true!) and, damn reflexes, otherwise could have had my 15 seconds of fame. At that time in Washington DC, I had worked in army intelligence (oxymoron!) and had a smail’s eye view of how screwed up the whole thing was.

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By PatrickHenry, December 10, 2007 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment

re: #119291 by Howard

The PA have recieved millions whereas the Israelis have recieved billions and most of that in armaments.

I’m sure non military aid is used to Lobby the U.S. Congress and buy misleading advertising through fellow sayanim.

Why isn’t Israel a signatory of the NPT?

Re: #119231 by Howard

Heres some backup at least as good as yours.

http://desertpeace.blogspot.com/2007/10/facts-you-may-not-know-about-israel.html

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By mythbreaker, December 10, 2007 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment
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“our intelligence agencies”? Howard you love Israel, so move there. Live behind the Wall in a black, toxic box marked “arrogant and above all else deceitful”. Enjoy the view.

Israel is America’s liability. eom

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By Howard, December 10, 2007 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

America’s Dysfunctional Intelligence Agencies

That is the headline on our intelligence agencies,
but the commentator here brought up Israel first and continually where it doesn’t even belong or discussed! What a fixation.

for example re:  the post just again on Israel
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” See this relationship w/Israel for exactly what it is; extortion - all very carefully dressed up w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a Hollywood production and all at our immense expense. “

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Does the commentator know that since 1993 the Palestinian Authority has garnered more international aid than any entity in modern history.  More per capita than the European states under the Marshall plan. And we the U.S. put in hundreds of millions of dollars.

With all these advantages the old “reasonable” terrorist organizations has been destroyed in Gaza by the new, more militant and more ferocious Hamas.

And the rockets are sent out daily from Gaza into Israel. Trying desperately to provoke a response.

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By mythbreaker, December 10, 2007 at 10:59 am Link to this comment
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See this relationship w/Israel for exactly what it is; extortion - all very carefully dressed up w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a Hollywood production and all at our immense expense.

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By Howard, December 10, 2007 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

RE:  post by #119206 by 1dree5 on 12/10 at 7:01 am

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Lot of myths and false info in that diabolical list you wrote out from somewhere.

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By Howard, December 9, 2007 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

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  says “If its sneaky, snotty, selfish, remarkably arrogant and terribly deceitful, its Israel:Earth’s little shop of horrors. “

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Wow, what a list of adjectives for a country.
Here is a more noteworthy list of just a few non adjective items.

1. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel

2. Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel

3.The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed, and produced in Israel

4.The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel

5.Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

6. Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D;facilities outside the US in Israel

7. The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis

8. According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry’s most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

9. Israel’s $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined

10. Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita

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By mythbreaker, December 9, 2007 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment
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If its sneaky, snotty, selfish, remarkably arrogant and terribly deceitful, its Israel:Earth’s little shop of horrors.

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By Howard, December 9, 2007 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

America’s Dysfunctional Intelligence Agencies

Well, this title of the report therefore means we have to wonder and doubt the report just released on Irans stopping their attempt to make a nuke bomb in 2003.

Now they’ll contine on withou haveing sanctions to worry about. Lovely.

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By Anthony Hopkins, December 8, 2007 at 11:23 am Link to this comment
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http://farbookstore.blogspot.com/2007/12/why-flight-11-and-175-could-not-have.html

Five reasons why the planes used in Twin Tower attacks on 9/11 could not possibly have been 767s and evidence which points to 737s being used.

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By John Borowski, December 8, 2007 at 8:36 am Link to this comment
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John Kennedy was assassinated by the British sanctioned right wing traitors in this country. (The same traitors that wear an American flag on their lapel and a bible in their back pocket) Robert Kennedy was assassinated by the British sanctioned right wing traitors in this country. King was assassinated by the British sanctioned right wing traitors in this country. 9/11 that killed well over three thousand innocent Americans were assassinated by the British sanctioned right wing traitors in this country. The country of Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson was assassinated by the British sanctioned right wing traitors in this country. The truth of all of the above and the criminal traitors responsible will never be brought into the sunshine of truth for as long as this troubled world exists.

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By John Borowski, December 7, 2007 at 6:55 am Link to this comment
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My dear niloroth, you should come up from the right wing boiler room, its starting to get to you. These are the specifications of a US grenade, incendiary, TH3, AN-M14. Diameter (mm) 64 -  Length (mm) 145 -  EXPLOSIVE Weight (g) -1 - Frag range (m) - 20 EXPLOSIVE - THERMITE -  HAZARD - EXPLOSIVE (HE) - FIRE SMOKE/INCENDIARY
One doesn’t evaluate a crime scene by parsing how one says tomato/tomato.  I will place my credence in scientists, engineers, demolition experts, and other knowledgeable people long before I place my credence in your type. The fore mentioned state their views even though they know their ability to earn a living will be jeopardized.  Although incendiaries were used to slice the huge supports in the basement like a hot knife through butter. An incendiary doesn’t throw steel beams vertically one hundred or more feet out of the buildings. Anybody that questions the government’s version of what happened on 9/11 doesn’t have as his motive lies. If we had more intelligent people questioning the government maybe we would have a much better society than we do now.

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By niloroth, December 6, 2007 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

John Borowski:

Like most people who believe the 9/11 truth lies, you have a very poor grasp on the facts.  Case in point, thermate is not an explosive.  It is an incendiary.  This may not seem like a big deal to you, but to every since demolitions expert who has looked at how the twin towers fell, it is a huge difference.  There were no explosives, and there was no thermite/thermate.

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By John Borowski, December 5, 2007 at 6:22 am Link to this comment
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Anyone who has studied how the WTC fell by scientists, engineers, demolition experts, and other knowledgeable people has to conclude that it was brought down by explosives. (Thermate) If the “kill em for Allah” planted the Thermate they would not bring it down so as to do as little damage as possible. (The buildings fell on the smallest footprint to avoid damage to surrounding buildings)  They would inversely plant the explosives to do as much damage to the contiguous buildings in lower Manhattan.

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By bachubhai, December 4, 2007 at 8:14 am Link to this comment
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Contrary to what the author claims if there were “true democracy” there would not been an attack which was brought on by an unprincipled and undemocratic foreign policy.

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By 1drees, December 3, 2007 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment
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the behavior of US intelligence in a less than honest way leads me to beleive that its a Not-so intelligent intelligence ........ lol
lack of honesty, integrity and such qualities is “intelligent” but then look where it got Mossad, ie nobody even wants to hear their name let alone trust them or cooperate with them

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By Crimes of the State Blog, December 3, 2007 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

Do not believe this author, nor her parroting of the same tired excuses we have been fed for years regarding the “intelligence failures of 9/11”.

It’s not a “failure” when done on purpose.  Attributing the most massive (and treasonous) event on US soil since the Civil War to the “culture” of intelligence agencies is pure spin.  One would have to have a very narrow and selective reading, and completely ignore numerous exposed lies, and accept many blatant in-your-face cover ups to promulgate this crap.

Where to begin?  There isn’t space here to list everything.

Mihdhar and Al Hazmi were living with a “tested FBI informant” in San Diego for a year.  When congress wanted to question this inFormant, the FBI hid him and refused access to the agent.

They also let these guys into the country, knowing full well that they were “UBL Associates” [Usama bin Ladin] and that they had multi-entry US visas.  The FBI agent assigned to the CIA Counter Terrorism Center wrote a memo to inform FBI of this fact, but it was held up by a “supervisor” at CTC, and never sent.

During the same period when George Tenet, CIA director’s “hair was on fire” from so many warnings of a large, imminent catastrophic attack ... we’re supposed to buy this counterterrorism gets “low priority” at FBI excuse? 

And we’re to ignore all those FBI whistleblowers who tried to warn us about the attacks?  The men training in flight schools, the warrants not allowed to be pursued against Moussaoui, Harry Samit’s “70 communications” to FBI supervisors at HQ, and FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who says:

“If Counterintelligence receives information that contains money laundering, illegal arms sale, and illegal drug activities, directly linked to terrorist activities; and if that information involves certain nations, certain semi-legit organizations, and ties to certain lucrative or political relations in this country, then, that information is not shared with Counterterrorism, regardless of the possible severe consequences. In certain cases, frustrated FBI agents cited ‘direct pressure by the State Department,’ and in other cases ‘sensitive diplomatic relations’ is cited. ...Your hearings did not include questions regarding these unspoken and unwritten policies and practices. Despite your full awareness and understanding of certain criminal conduct that connects to certain terrorist related activities, committed by certain US officials and high-level government employees, you have not proposed criminal investigations into this conduct, although under the laws of this country you are required to do so.”—Sibel Edmonds letter to fraudster Thomas Kean

It’s beyond sickening that the propaganda continues to churn and cover up the INSIDE JOB, US GOVERNMNET COMPLICITY OF 9/11.

70 DISTURBING FACTS ABOUT 9/11

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By jackpine savage, December 3, 2007 at 9:45 am Link to this comment
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Snark, failure, snark…

The organs respond, “We never make mistakes…”

It doesn’t take much investigation to realize that, particularly, the CIA has been up to its armpits in world wide sleaze from day one.  Granted, the shadow facet of the Great Game will always be sleazy, but when you consistently make moves that are against your long-term interests, you’re left with only sleaze.

And, when the chickens come home to roost, we are treated to an explanation centered around “rogue” behavior.  Bullshit.  The organs have always done the bidding of the government, from narcotic trafficking to arming the Afghan “freedom fighters”.  Through Democratic administrations and Republican administrations.

This is America, the story hasn’t changed, only more dramatic.  We foster one thing to “combat” another and then foster something else to combat that which we first fostered.  And so it goes.  It’s called keeping yourself in business…

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By purplewolf, December 2, 2007 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

Why don’t we just call it for what it is. The Lack of Intelligence Agency run on the policies of Creeping Incompetence.

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By Joe Coletta, December 2, 2007 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment
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“This is simply fascinating! Why have I never heard this before?” Referring to the lame ass theory that the CIA was “crippled” from it’s inception in 1947.

Are you kidding me? Grow up kid!
Kissing ass is not journalism.

We created the mercenary mafia that attacked us! That’s not a “conspiracy theory”, no sane person denies that.

It’s not a “failure of intelligence” or “bureaucratic incompetence”.

And of course those who want our society to be organized as an empire instead of a republic are for getting the republic out of the way and blame it for all our problems.

Same as it ever was. How pathetic!

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By PatrickHenry, December 2, 2007 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

The supramedia provided by the U.S. Intel community is as skewed as the media we recieve over the airwaves. 

Until such time as a significant antitrust action is performed on the 6 major media conglomerates, we will continue to recieve bias, embellished, disinformation from those entrusted to find out the truth on our behalf.

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By Blackspeare, December 1, 2007 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

While there may have been many opportunities to thwart the 9-11 plotters, the real reason that we failed to act was an attitude of complacency and a general lack of urgency.

You put those two things together and we wind up with a knee-jerk reaction to homeland security——from one extreme to the next!  Though the extreme version of homeland security may be more of a threat to “Liberty” than any terrorist action!

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By mythbreaker, December 1, 2007 at 5:33 am Link to this comment
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For Silverstein the agencies aren’t dysfunctional at all, in fact they worked like a Rolex.

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By targitted, November 30, 2007 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment
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Do you think they whiffed on all 19 hijackers because they were too fixated on chasing (stalking) those average citizens who offend their delicate sensibilities?

Was it 14 intel agencies with a combined budget of $40 BN on 9/11? Is it now 17 intel agencies with a combined budget of $50 BN that cannot guarantee your safety without “legitimizing” the illegal spying the firemen (Red Squads) have been guilty of for the last 50 years?

http://www.freedomfchs.com/unwarranted_surveillance.pdf

http://www.reason.com/news/show/36676.html

http://www.publiceye.org/huntred/Hunt_For_Red_Menace-02.html

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By Paracelsus, November 30, 2007 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

Put a microphone up my ass and I’ll fart into it for you, damn perverts.

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By 7man, November 30, 2007 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment
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What a bunch of nonsense it is to repair these agencies. To understand the “Intelligence” Agencies is a dog chasing its tail, again and again. We are not meant to understand anything, just to underwrite it into infinity. We should rather deflea the dog or put it down for good and start over.

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By C Quil, November 30, 2007 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

They had everything they needed to know before September 11th. They told the administration, who promptly ignored it and went on vacation.

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By themask, November 30, 2007 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment
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Are Either of you prepared for what is soon coming?
Our Government agencies haven’t been protecting the
U.S. Citizen for years now, We all know that they do have an entirely different agenda and in my opinion that is to make the change over from a so-called democracy to a socialist state.
And you better learn to speak spanish….....

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By 1drees, November 30, 2007 at 11:03 am Link to this comment
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America’s Intelligence Agencies are not Dysfunctional they are just ZIONIST INFESTED AND hence under a Zionist agenda to implement the ZIONIST NEW WORLD ORDER ALL OVER THE PLANET AND FOR THAT PURPOSE THEY do every bloodthirsty act and will continue to do so till their demise which will end the ZIONIST SICKNESS.
To the Naive it seems they are dysfunctional but actually this is the way they always been.

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By 1drees, November 30, 2007 at 9:59 am Link to this comment
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The american Intelligence agencies are hardly dysfunctional, they are just upto a zionist agenda and to the naive eye they seem dysfunctional but if you follow them closely they are following a certain EVIL path consistently and that is the path of ZIONIST SLAVERY to submit the whole World to the concept of the new World Order.

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By 1drees, November 30, 2007 at 9:40 am Link to this comment
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Well Maybe most American Being very Naive and maybe ill Informned about their governemts doings abroad never really anticipated it but I , who has even been reading the declassified reports and etc, never really doubted the abilities and business routines of the agencies of USA and this Cloak and dagger affair pertaining to 911 was exactly in line with their past doings.

Also if this gets published try and read into the causes for going to war with Vietnam and Korea and you will see that GWB was not the first LIAR presdient of USA actually Vietnam and Korean wars were definately based on lies as well and there is Certain Testimonies of American Forces personnel who were on watch on the nights which the US presidents quoted in their public addresses in which they claimed that “we, the innocent, were attacked as we were passing by” which is certainly a lie.

Typical LIES of Warmongers.

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By 1drees, November 30, 2007 at 12:45 am Link to this comment
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To some people the agencies might be DYSFUNCTIONAL but actually they are doing quiet well in their agendas.
Maybe the people are expecting the wrong things or have false hopes of the Secret Agencies BUT the way it seems that the directions they are going in is consistent for the last couple of years and hence they do know what they are doing its just that this was never expected of them but then so was a lot of other things.

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By Paracelsus, November 29, 2007 at 10:23 pm Link to this comment

I have never seen such a load of nonsense. This article is all about normalizing the insane. Frankly I am tired of having my phone conversations tapped, and by parcels partially opened and damaged. Once someone lectured my mother on how horrible I was for reciting such a blood thirsty poem on her phone line! The “poem” was an English translation of the Mexican National Anthem. The lady in question just broke into our conversation. None of us has a party line. Routinely my phone line drops every time I talk about something controversial. I resent having my phone tapped, and it is done so clumsily as well. Harris you need a spine. That nasty Zegart is advocating spying on people like me. Tell you what Zegart. Leave me the hell alone!!! My phone line is more molested than a Massachusetts altar boy.

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