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Posted on Oct 10, 2007
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AP photo / LM Otero

The Lockheed Martin joint strike fighter gets the David Copperfield treatment during its unveiling ceremony.

James Harris and Josh Scheer

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Scheer: Don’t worry, the country made that mistake about four years ago.

Coyle: People worry about North Korea and Iran, but neither country has missiles that could reach the United States.

Scheer: And another question I have, is this a fear factor kind of thing? ...  Nuclear weapons are a fearful subject, nobody want a nuclear bomb to go off in this country, but also a fear that other countries will develop missile shields on their own, or they’ll weaponize space. ...  How much does fear play in preventing a nuclear bomb?

Coyle: I think it’s very important, I think there are many members of Congress who genuinely fear what North Korea or Iran might be able to do some day.  And it’s very hard to pass that up.  The fear of something is a stronger motivator sometimes than the thing itself.

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Harris:  Many people say that drafting policy and even acting on policy in response to fear is a very bad thing.  I’d love to hear your thoughts on that.

Coyle: Well, indeed.  You get irrational if you get too frightened by something, you become irrational.  Unfortunately, 9/11 was such a horrible event that it just scared Americans out of their wits.  When you let that happen you run into the situation where you make irrational choices. 

Scheer: It would scare people but we look at, say, a 9/11 or we look at what those terrorists could do, that’s what I was saying about the dirty bomb, we’re fighting a war against people who had box cutters and kicked in [airplane] doors ... do you really think, are they going to be able to get nuclear materials within the next 30 years?

Coyle: Well, that’s of course a very important question, and we certainly hope not.  The United States has a program to try to better secure nuclear materials, not only here in the United States but in Russia and elsewhere around the world.  Recently the U.S. government secured some highly enriched uranium that was in a research reactor in Vietnam.  Successful effort.  So that effort to try to secure nuclear materials all around the world is an important part of dealing with the threat that terrorists might get ahold of such materials.

Scheer: ... Is what the Europeans are saying with the new missile shield that if you put something like that up, it may encourage a country to build nuclear weapons and that the greatest thing would be to try to take them all off the market?  Would that be a better way of doing it? Taking nuclear weapons, nonproliferation, and using a different type of weapon. ...

Coyle: Well, the new missile shield that the United States is proposing to deploy in Poland and in the Czech Republic is supposedly to defend against missiles from Iran either attacking Europe or the United States.  But the system supposed for Poland and the Czech Republic have no demonstrated capability to actually defend Europe, let alone the United States, under realistic operational conditions.  Just the same, there are people in Europe who think that just putting it there, whether it would work or not, would help to deter Iran if Iran really believed that it worked.

Scheer: And now I want to get off missile defense—I don’t know if James wants to come back to it—because I know that another subject that you’re obviously an expert on is universities and working with the Livermore Labs.  I want to know how much does the defense budget pie is say, from, two universities for research or through the DOE to the Livermore Labs, how much money are we giving to say these universities to do military-type research?

Coyle: Well, it’s quite a small part of the total.  For example, I think the nuclear weapons budget of the United States, for everything it does with the military and every place else, is on the order of 20 billion, and at a place like Lawrence Livermore, their weapons budget is probably only a half a billion.  They have other programs in energy and in the environment and biology and medicine and so forth.  But they’re not weapons programs.

Scheer: And when you worked there, did they ever ask you to hold back findings because there [was] a lot of secrecy when you were working at the labs?

Coyle: Well, they did not ever ask me to hold back any findings, no.  Obviously some of the weapons work is classified, but not even all of the nuclear weapons work is classified.  The lab puts out a regular newspaper and a magazine and other things that describe its research.  So except for the things which actually need to be classified, that’s where the secrecy is.

Scheer: It has always interested me when I read anything about, not the labs, I’m getting more to the university side with, say, UC Berkeley doing things like roboflies and smart dust, and there was an ABC report I think from this June about gay bombs and arming sharks and things like that.  Are those programs, are they expected to work in the next 20 years?  Are they giving them a lot of the money?  Are they giving them a lot of thought?  Or was it just something that, say, smart dust sounds interesting, so we’ll give a little bit of money?  What’s your take on that?

Coyle: Well, the Defense Department does fund some pretty far-out ideas.  But again the amount of spending is quite low compared to, say, the war in Iraq or other things we might discuss.  And yes, small pieces of it go to ideas that don’t pan out.  But that’s part of the research and development process.


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By Michael Shaw, November 27, 2007 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

116040 Well thanks for clarifying. Currently the only merit our leadership has is the merit in leading us to bankruptcy. The rest of the world will survive it. We may not. http://cyborgdemocracy.net/2007/03/coming-second-great-depression.html

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By survival etc., November 26, 2007 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment
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For:
#115931 by Michael Shaw on 11/26 at 9:29 am

“114997 You read too much Friedrich Nietzsche! This so called structuring of the survival of the fittest is what led to Hitler’s Germany. There are people in wheel chairs or on crutches who are more fit to lead than the healthiest survivalists. A great physique or the greatest stamina does not necessarily an intelligent person make.”

Hey Michael. Actually, I thought of the issue you raise after posting my comments. You are right, of course. Less than ideal appearance and/or disability will eliminate the finest leaders from the race. I meant my proposal to be more of a reminder to politicians that they would not hold up in a survival contest with a similar number of typical Americans. If true merit were to be the standard, those who have prevailed over personal adversity and known the value of setting right priorities would certainly grab my attention at election time.

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By Michael Shaw, November 26, 2007 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

115864 1drees dare I say the madness has been going on for a long time. For centuries in fact and on a multinational level. I would like to add that Eisenhower warned us after he in fact created the problem. It is obvious he knew what problems would develop, so why did he do it and who steered him in that direction?

We should be focusing on pro war think tankers, the defense contractors who thought it up in the first place. Also the politicians(like Eisenhower) who walk with them hand in hand.

I see the real problems lying in priorities. Right now the priority is the war on terror(and war in general). But the real priority is the environment. Our government could turn this around tomorrow if it wanted to, creating a new industry to save the planet rather than destroy it. But as long as the politicians profit from war as so many do, I see little hope in that happening anytime soon. Perhaps once its too late!

Instead of knocking people over to get the best buys on Black Friday, people should be thinking about this. They should also be investigating who they buy from and what associations these corporations have. Most people don’t do that. They never question. Until they do, things will go on as they always have and get worse because of it. Ultimately we only have ourselves to blame. That is of course unless we have the collective courage(and wisdom) to do something about it.

As for picking on weaker countries, read Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine. Globalization is the real culprit. The only reason it exists is to rip off the entire world so a few fat cats profit. War, famine, environmental destruction, the loss of democratic freedom are all of little consequence. The bottom line always comes first.

As for the bottom line stemming in Zionist contractors(IE all of it for the benefit of Israeli contractors), no doubt they, like any other defense, communications, security or electronics contractors are profiting immensely from this so called war on terror. But alas they are not the entire military industrial complex, only a small portion of it, so to blame them for all of it is ludicrous. Every defense contractor on the planet is profiting from this, not only Jews.

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By Michael Shaw, November 26, 2007 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

114997 You read too much Friedrich Nietzsche! This so called structuring of the survival of the fittest is what led to Hitler’s Germany. There are people in wheel chairs or on crutches who are more fit to lead than the healthiest survivalists. A great physique or the greatest stamina does not necessarily an intelligent person make.

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By 1drees, November 26, 2007 at 3:36 am Link to this comment
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All I hear from Americans is “Eisnehower warned….”, “Kennedy warned ....”  ..... but did anyone heed or did it make a difference, now the madness is plaguing the whole world and humanity.
IRAQ is in shambles and IRAN seems to be next, wont attack Pakistan or North Korea or any other strong nation coz they would give a fitting response. so what they do is pick on defenseless countries that got wealth to be looted and make them into invincible targets using the Zionist MSM and the rest of the story you all witnessed all too recently.
BTW please try and read into the False flag operations and specially the 1993 bombing of WTC and see who arranged that.
ITS all for the benefit of ZIONIST corporations, look at the fortune 500 companies and see who are they and see what influence and effects they have over the congress and the white house. the president first has to be approved by the AIPAC only then will he/she recieve funding for the campaign tht has been planned or organised.
If $20 billion of arms sales have been contracted to Saudi Arabia guess who manufactures it and guess who profits from it directly. And guess how that money is going to be used to increase influence and profits eventually.

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By Larson Shaw Chalmers, November 21, 2007 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment
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Sounds like a Anglo-Nordic conspiracy to save the world from its doom. Cut it out. I like danger.

Not to worry, though. The computer networks thriving in ten or fifteen years won’t likely permit us to blow them up along with everything else.

Still, I’d pay fifty bucks to take part in some new kind of nominating process…ALL the political leadership, top to bottom, goes on sabbatical for 90 days to New Guinea or Azerbaijan with an equal number of regular Americans. No phones, no lamps, no instruction manuals. Only raingear, matches, compass, knife and two weeks of food rations. Live off the land, work alone or in groups, no matter. What would the emerging population look like after the three months? That remaining group is your leadership.

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By Michael Shaw, November 19, 2007 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

114280

Ken Larson, I want to thank you for this gold mine of information. Beyster the Shyster(SAIC) along with his buddies like Peter Economy, are doing exactly that, petering the economy for their own profits and at our expense. To hell with rule of law when you can simply skirt around it and profit at its expense!

It seems when Eisenhower warned us to be forever vigilant over MIC, Beyster became the most vigilant of them all by exploiting the obvious vulnerabilities and bringing this nation to where it is today, to the point of no return. I would argue however that there is in fact a conspiracy since what Beyster did was deliberate and he had the educational and national security background to know exactly what he was doing. Also these so called pentagon officials as well as the former president knew what might/would happen once our industrial war machine fell into the hands of the corporations rather than the government of “We the people.” When generals(those who live to war) become corporate managers, war always manages to surface, whether we should be having one or not. Today war is perpetual!

On the outside, Beyster talks about business based on integrity,even trying to sell his business points to potential upstarts, while behind the scenes he was yachting his “baby boys” around San Diego’s Pacific, a prerequisite to becoming a member of his managerial team.

To me he sounds like a corporate version of J. Edgar Hoover. No doubt like him and because his business is at the highest levels of surveillance and intelligence, Beyster had as much dirt on politicians and public officials as he has been hiding in his own nefarious closet. He created a monster knowing full well what he did. No small wonder his “business” has more former pentagon officials, CIA and NSA executives than the pentagon and the DOD. Hell, today they are the Pentagon and DOD, right along with it’s muscle, Halliburton and Bectel.

Eisenhower’s “blunder” opened the doors to all of it and he deserves the lion share of the responsibility. I would also point out that the current CEO of SAIC is Ken Dahlberg, former chief executive for General Dynamics. Thanks again for this eyeopening information!

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By Ken Larson, November 18, 2007 at 7:08 am Link to this comment
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I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.

Politicians make no difference. 

We have bought into the Military Industrial Complex (MIC).  If you would like to read how this happens please see:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/halliburton200711

Through a combination of public apathy and threats by the MIC we have let the SYSTEM get too large. It is now a SYSTEMIC problem and the SYSTEM is out of control. Government and industry are merging and that is very dangerous. 

There is no conspiracy. The SYSTEM has gotten so big that those who make it up and run it day to day in industry and government simply are perpetuating their existance.

The politicians rely on them for details and recommendations because they cannot possibly grasp the nuances of the environment and the BIG SYSTEM.

So, the system has to go bust and then be re-scaled, fixed and re-designed to run efficiently and prudently, just like any other big machine that runs poorly or becomes obsolete or dangerous.

This situation will right itself through trauma. I see a government ENRON on the horizon, with an associated house cleaning.

The next president will come and go along with his appointees and politicos. The event to watch is the collapse of the MIC.

For more details see:

http://rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com/2006/11/inside-pentagon-procurement-from.html

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By Satan, November 14, 2007 at 2:36 am Link to this comment
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The big thinkers peddling their cool hardware platforms are giving me a big fat erection. The missile defense thing won’t work, though. How about making these instead?  Rockets and microwave roasting beams based on the moon. The soft glow of a crescent-moon on a summer’s evening will be the last thing our adversaries ever see. Ha, ha!

~sixes~

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 12, 2007 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

113096 by Michael Shaw on 11/12 at 8:58 am: “...and the rich would still get richer. The thing is they are never satisfied. I see them as bloodsucking and non-human….”

Its obviously not just the money, Michael Shaw. There is both power and self-aggrandizement - although they mostly prefer to work behind the scenes as they can exert far more control that way. In doing so, they don’t have to justify themnselves to anyone and they can be as vicious as they please.

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By Michael Shaw, November 12, 2007 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

113015 Well Douglas thanks for the scientific analogy. The bottom line is this planet would be destroyed. All this missile program is, is an outlet in theft of our tax dollars to a few greedy idiots who count dollars instead of consequences. We could be doing the right things instead of the wrong things and the rich would still get richer. The thing is they are never satisfied. I see them as bloodsucking and non-human.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 11, 2007 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment

#112922 by Michael Shaw on 11/11 at 10:39 am: “...what would happen even if this missile defense umbrella was successful?.. ...Seeing thousands of nuclear weapons exploding in the upper atmosphere is one thing, seeing the results of this worldwide fallout would be another matter….. unless exploding nuclear weapons in the sky around a dead planet is deemed as a success….”

It wouldn’t be fallout so much as the destruction of the ionosphere and the disruption of the magnetosphere which would leave the Earth exposed to the Solar wind and cosmic rays thus frying everything on the surface completely! It could also kill the planet or, at least, leave it in a state of extreme disruption for aeons, uhh!!!

I agree about your economic solutions for replacing the military-industrial complex - including employing former soldiers. There is plenty to be done in rebuilding and upgrading infrastructure and so forth. Once the $US falls to what its real value is, you will see factories being built again in America as happened in Japan.

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By Michael Shaw, November 11, 2007 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

IE….“There’s nothing wrong with these tests; they need to do them of course if they are ever going to try to make the system be effective.  But there is just—they don’t capture all of the realism of war.”

Speaking of realisms, why is it that nothing is ever mentioned about what would happen even if this missile defense umbrella was successful? I mean I can see the logic if we’re talking about a few nukes from a small irate country coming at us, but what if there was an all out nuclear strike? Seeing thousands of nuclear weapons exploding in the upper atmosphere is one thing, seeing the results of this worldwide fallout would be another matter. We are wasting our time and our money on a plan that will never work, unless exploding nuclear weapons in the sky around a dead planet is deemed as a success. I think the more we develop this umbrella, the more likely the opposition will launch an all out strike assuring mutual destruction as opposed to their own destruction. Was it not mutually assured destruction that kept us away from all out war for the past 60 years?

As for people working in the defense industry and the fear in losing work, the answer to that is simple. Aim our industrial might at utilizing newer and safer energy, rebuilt the entire transit structure and solarize the entire nation. That should put everyone to work including the defense workers, who in fact would still be in the defense business, the defense of the environment of which all life depends.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 3, 2007 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

#109668 by John Borowski on 10/26 at 3:25 am: “...Some wives of top generals say that their husbands must participate in all kinds of sexual perversions or they will never be generals…....  One wife describes her husband lying naked on the floor and babbling like an insane person and doing all kinds of weird things. When it gets too much I suppose that easiest way out is to commit suicide…..... This is the breed that has the most say in how society should exist….”

This is the result of attachment to ego. What does that mean? People are supposed to be mentally aligned with their inner selves but, in some, this involves seeing their personal selves as the centre of the Universe - their universe.

So, what is wrong with that? The problem is that they also see everything and everyone else as outside and separate from their own special little “universe” which they have created for themselves. This is madness (duality) and thus all other irrational acts inevitably follow as they are all justified by this biased focus.

So, what then is sanity? Simply seeing oneself as part of the Whole and connected to the Universe - just as everyone and everything else is as a part of Its creation. It is a rare quality because people still want to see themselves as “independent” and “self-supporting” for some reason or another.

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By John Borowski, November 3, 2007 at 4:28 am Link to this comment
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Whenever I become depressed and feeling low about the quality of the human being, my fate is restored when I read a comment such as Chris Kay #111199. God bless people with good intelligence, good maturity, and good character.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 2, 2007 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

#111199 by Chris Kaye on 11/02 at 8:57 am: “...I dream of the day we can stop this!  I think more and more people are becoming aware and will eventually either dismantle or cripple this beast…”

Congratulations on using the “we” word, Chris. If more people did instead of using “they”, it would never have come to this in the first place.

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!!! Make change happen, uhh - or it WILL be too late!

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By Chris Kaye, November 2, 2007 at 9:57 am Link to this comment
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You know, I’m talking to some pathetic whiners about the healthcare crisis.  They are blaming the entire problem on illegal immigrants, ha ha, with no mention of Big Pharma or the insurance companies or the companies that import the workers into the country or anything like that.  I guess they are listening to Limbaugh and Hannity and O’Really and people like that, who are paid to distract the people from the real problems encumbering them.

750 billion dollars a year.  808 billion in 2007? for the funding of Iraq, attempted Iran, and Afghanese wars?  What a miraculous difference 15 billion a year would make to healthcare funding in this country!  Of course we should all be raising hell about this instead of picking on some poor desperate *astards that come here to work for minimum wage to feed their starving families.  The money is there, it is in my view simply being misallocated.  smile

I’m often struck by how similar we are to Israel:  Most of the people sickened by what a few war hawk maniacs are imposing on them, the people suffering for the decisions being made about their economy, and most of the people wanting it to stop, but taken hostage by a few powerful maniacs.

I dream of the day we can stop this!  I think more and more people are becoming aware and will eventually either dismantle or cripple this beast terribly.  One thing is for sure - it can’t go on.

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By John Borowski, October 27, 2007 at 4:18 am Link to this comment
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Louise comments that 5 children showed signs of torture all over their bodies. This is a common tactic by these right wing evils that fly the flag of god and patriotism. I believe it is the British that teach their colony the US how to do these evils. If they go into an Iraqi village and find only the children and wife in the house they are convinced that the husband is out somewhere fighting against them. The god bless evils will take the children and wife to the torture chamber. They then force the mother to watch their screaming children being tortured until she gives an acceptable answer as to where her husband is. If you believe these right wing human devils are ambassadors to a god, a person is not only insulting his dignity and intelligence; he is insulting the dignity of the very god he professes to believe in.

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By Louise, October 26, 2007 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

#109668 by John Borowski

“When it gets too much I suppose that easiest way out is to commit suicide ... “

Having experienced the tragedy of a loved one going through the hell of PTSD, [from a previous war] I can identify. But things like that are more likely caused by things like this:

“The five children showed signs of torture all over their bodies. Three had marks of cigarettes burns over their legs and one couldn’t speak as the shock sessions affected his conversation,” Rabia’a said. “It is against international law that protects children and we call for interventions in all Iraqi prisons to save the lives of these children.”
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m37541&hd;=&size=1&l=e

And this:

“The filing of this French case against Rumsfeld demonstrates that we will not rest until those U.S. officials involved in the torture program are brought to justice,” said CCR President Michael Ratner. “Rumsfeld must understand that he has no place to hide. A torturer is an enemy of all humankind.”
http://wor.ldne.ws/node/8288

And this:

“So orders came down from the generals in Baghdad, we want to clear the village, like in Samarra. And as he told the story, another platoon from his company came and executed all the guards, as his people were screaming, stop. And he said they just shot them one by one. He went nuts, and his soldiers went nuts. And he’s hysterical. He’s totally hysterical. And he went to the captain. He was a lieutenant, he went to the company captain. And the company captain said, “No, you don’t understand. That’s a kill. We got thirty-six insurgents.”
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/001197.html

And so many more, it’s impossible to list them all.
The horrors of war are not the cause or result of sexual perversion, except for the already perverted. [Although the giving up of humanity can lead to abnormal behavior.]

But seeing your buddy get blown up, the smell, the noise, the death, the torture and agony, the dismembered children ...
WAR itself ... that’s the real horror that explains the madness!

On another but definitely related subject:
“Body Armor Execs Indicted For Fraud”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/25/national/main3410298.shtml

“Corporate executives who line their own pockets at the expense of their shareholders flaunt the responsibilities they owe their companies and the investing public,” U.S. Attorney Benton J. Campbell said in a statement.”

What he didn’t say was, “Corporate executives who line their own pockets by abusing a public trust to provide a critical need for our troops in the line of fire should be hung in public, by the thumbs. Until this war for profiteers is over!”

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By John Borowski, October 26, 2007 at 4:25 am Link to this comment
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Some wives of top generals say that their husbands must participate in all kinds of sexual perversions or they will never be generals. The two dens of iniquity are in California and Europe. Things like having sex with young boys that are in coffins and killing animals for the devil’s sacrificial pleasure. (I hope it is not humans)  They will engage in all kinds of obscenities that a sane person simply could never understand.  The excuse the top brass use to tell their wives is that they are exposed to so much stress. There are two types of humans. One could do any kind of abomination, and he can sleep like a baby. The other type can only take it just so long before he starts to crack. One wife describes her husband lying naked on the floor and babbling like an insane person and doing all kinds of weird things. When it gets too much I suppose that easiest way out is to commit suicide. When I read things like this I’m very pessimistic about the future of this world. This is the breed that has the most say in how society should exist.

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By Louise, October 20, 2007 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

#107684 by cyrena on 10/16

“Meantime, did anybody notice this story from Monday? Top Air Force Official Dies in Apparent Suicide.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/16/us/16contract.html?e x=1350187200&en=f38c8518212efbe1&ei=5088&partne;r=rssnyt&emc=rss

“It’s very curious.”

***

Indeed it is.
From the article:

“Colonel Thomas said that under an existing contract with Commonwealth Research, Mr. Riechers had provided technical advice to the Air Force on several programs, including the use of bursts of microwaves as a crowd-control technique, employing REMOTELY piloted craft in United States airspace and modernizing the C-130 transport plane.”

Hmmm ...

I was told by a very good friend a short time before 9/11 that he’d been talking with a company that provides a great deal of technical support and service through government contracts. And he was thinking about contracting for work from them. He mentioned the development of an “in flight” to ground cell phone. At the time, being as dumb as a board when it comes to anything electronic, [still am] I was dutifully impressed by his enthusiasm, but didn’t really pay much attention. It wasn’t until almost two years after 9/11 the fog cleared and I remembered that conversation. I asked him about it. He said he had decided not to commit to the demands of that company, but told me he was pretty sure they had a government contract to develop that service. And he was equally sure that prior to 9/11 no such animal existed.

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-9595-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=23191&messageID=439247&start=0

[I’m not talking about the type of phone cell located in aircraft that are flying within the arrival/departure airspace of an airport. Nor am I talking about in plane radio phone service. I’m talking about the ability to use any cell phone in flight beyond the airport or above a certain altitude.]

Now being hearsay from someone with second party info, I cant say that is a fact. But I can say with absolute certainty that this friend is successful to beyond a six figure income, so he’s not dumb. And has no reason to make this up. He’s one of those people that’s so busy he recognizes politics only to the degree they impact him. I doubt very much he spends the time looking into “suspicious” stuff that makes conspiracy nuts like me run!

So, did Mr. Riechers commit suicide?
Or like Dr. Kelly in GB, was he suicided?

We’ll probably never know. But anyone exposed to, or having knowledge of anything that could be a threat to the powerful players who planned 9/11 will take note of Mr. Riechers’s death and think twice. And if he was suicided that may be the only reason. An example. An expendable example. A potential threat being examined because of links to possible criminal activity regarding government contracts. Killing two birds with one stone, so to speak.

Suppositions based on my firm conviction the official story about 9/11 may be “official” but it’s still just so much claptrap!

And, the certain knowledge [and no one can deny this] ALL ROADS lead back to 9/11!

Or perhaps he really did kill himself. Or maybe he just had one to many and passed out before he turned off the car. But I’m not making light of this.

Dead is serious and pretty darn permanent.

Any time anyone in the Pentagon and Justice Department spotlight dies unexpectedly, people should take note and ask, What Really Happened?

Especially if he has ties to war-related government contracts!

Thanks for the link.

REMOTELY piloted craft in United States airspace” like IN FLIGHT to ground, cell phone service [or the lack thereof?] are just two more little bits to add to the 9/11 puzzle.

By the way, if you haven’t yet, go to: http://brasscheck.com/ and read their Historical Archive.

Then click on ‘Click Here’ http://www.brasschecktv.com/ and sign up for their e-mails. 

“Imagine, TV about what’s really going on ” coming into your mailbox almost every day!

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By cyrena, October 17, 2007 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

#106568 by Douglas Chalmers

....“Maybe you can tell me why the USA forces nations like Iraq, Iran, S.Arabia and others to sell their oil for $$US instead of whatever currency they please to accept??? That was the real reason why Iraq was invaded back in 1991, uhh.”....


Douglas,
On this one…yet to be published work has it that this is also the primary reason the last invasion and occupation (Iraq) was planned so well in advance of the Coup of 2000.

Allegedly, Saddam was planning to switch to the Euro to do his oil business. We know what’s since become of him.

Meantime, Iran has asked for their money from Japan, (for the oil they’ve been selling them) in YEN. That’s real recent.

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By loveinatub, October 17, 2007 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

The United States will continue to sacrifice the quality of life for its domestic population at the expense of the military industrial complex. The United States has become a war machine and unless you stop feeding the war machine, you will never have peace. The United States, in its own way, embodies a facistic regime of sorts, where constant war becomes synomous with peace and constant propaganda becomes synonymous with truth.

George Orwell must be rolling in his grave…

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By cyrena, October 17, 2007 at 12:10 am Link to this comment

#106658 by Louise

....“But, if you have a certain agenda in mind ... irrational fear is a great vote getter! And a powerful tool in the hands of war mongers and profiteers.”...

TA DA!! Great one Louise. I’m gonna have to quote you on BEFORE 9/11.

So much “planned” BEFORE 9/11. More than obviously, those plans INCLUDED…..9/11!!!

...“I cant for the life of me understand how anyone can still accept the “official” 9/11 story!”...

Only because they WANT to. Only because they WANT to. I mean, think about it…If 9/11 put this kind of fear in everyone’s hearts/minds/bodies/souls, just with them thinking that “Arab terrorists” did it, what would happen to them if they had to accept that Washington DC terrorists did it?

Meantime, did anybody notice this story from Monday?
Top Air Force Official Dies in Apparent Suicide.
   

By ERIC SCHMITT and GINGER THOMPSON
Published: October 16, 2007

WASHINGTON, Oct. 15 — The second-highest-ranking member of the Air Force’s procurement office was found dead Sunday in an apparent suicide, Air Force and police officials said Monday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/16/us/16contract.html?ex=1350187200&en=f38c8518212efbe1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

It’s very curious.

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 15, 2007 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

#107275 by rage on 10/15 at 1:42 pm “...Doesn’t matter who wins or loses. It matters that the corporate warlords get paid….”

Even China’s president Hu JinTao has made overtures of peace and reunification towards “renegade province” Taiwan this past week at their national congress meeting. Unlike other super-powers, and especially the USA, China has left its armed forces at home for defence and trades openly and freely.

Quote: “Pointing out that China cannot develop in isolation from the rest of the world, nor can the world enjoy prosperity and stability without China, Hu said “China will never seek benefits for itself at the expense of other countries or shift its troubles onto others…..” http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/15/content_6882832.htm

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By Franker than Frank, October 15, 2007 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

According to a stat I read recently, all the past presidents combined before George Bush was in office, spent just over a trillion dollars between them. However, George Bush standing alone, except for a little help from a handful of other parasites like himself, has spent that same “little over a trillion dollars” thus far and he still has an eon or so to go. This doesn’t count the several trillion dollars he “lost at the Pentagon” by putting a dual Israeli/American citizen in charge of the comptroller’s office over there who, evidently, was tasked with bankrolling 911 and fattening some wallets at the same time, a Jewish fellow named Dov Zakheim. If one counts the several trillion Zacheim “lost” as comptroller of the Pentagon, then GB’s lifetime average is roughly three times the amount of money that all the other presidents combined have gone through.

GB is a big spender for sure.

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By rage, October 15, 2007 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment
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“Rubbish, ‘rage’. The corporate investors have already seen big profits in “peace” and specifically in addressing climate change and global warming issues. The trouble is that (a) they have been rather late, and (b) they still don’t want to give up this money-spinner. ” by Douglas Chalmers on 10/12 at 10:34 am

Trust me, DC, if there was more prifit in addressing climate change and global warming, our corporate overlords would be in heated pursuit of as much.

“Any of you “loyal Americans” out there should know by now, though, that every war since Korea in the 1950’s has been for profit!!! Yes, its cost lots of blood - YOUR BLOOD - but you have been stupid enough to go sign up or to be drafted like so many sheep. In doing so, you have lost every war….!!!”

Doesn’t matter who wins or loses. It matters that the corporate warlords get paid. Missile defense does not even work. It’s straight up bullcrap. But, a long list of corporations are being paid literal tons of money for it, practically sight unseen. War = MONEY$$$, DC. There is no profit in peace.

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By John Borowski, October 14, 2007 at 6:15 am Link to this comment
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Eisenhower in his fare-well address after his second term in office as president warned the American people that the nascent Military Industrial Complex will destroy the country of Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson. It is so sad that the Republicans (Aka Conservative right wingers) the darlings of the Military Industrial Complex were voted in because they would cut the American peoples’ taxes. (Three pennies a day for Johnny Q and two hundred and forty seven thousand for the obscene rich) Common sense should tell you the ineffable trillions of dollars given to the Military Industrial Complex will increase your taxes down the road rather than decrease them. You can listen to the fare-well speech by Eisenhower by using search and type Eisenhower and the Military Industrial Complex. (The excerpt is about 2minutes and 30 seconds long)

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By Louise, October 12, 2007 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment

Harris: Many people say that drafting policy and even acting on policy in response to fear is a very bad thing.  I’d love to hear your thoughts on that.

Coyle: Well, indeed.  You get irrational if you get too frightened by something, you become irrational.  Unfortunately, 9/11 was such a horrible event that it just scared Americans out of their wits.  When you let that happen you run into the situation where you make irrational choices. 

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But, if you have a certain agenda in mind ... irrational fear is a great vote getter! And a powerful tool in the hands of war mongers and profiteers.

Consider this. At what point in time does it become necessary to unload old inventory? Where does one unload a war machine? And what does one have to do to discover the needs of future war machine design?

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http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/12/before-911.html

The Afghanistan war was planned before 9/11.

The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11.

The decision to launch a war against Iran was made before 9/11.

The Patriot Act was written before 9/11.

The government’s spying on Americans began before 9/11.

The government knew that terrorists could use planes as weapons—and had even run its own drills of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings, using REAL airplanes—all before 9/11.

The government heard the 9/11 plans from the hijackers’ own mouths before 9/11.

No steel-framed high-rise building had ever collapsed due to fire before 9/11.

The neocons who now run the U.S. government lamented, before 9/11, that they could not institute their plans for global domination without a “new Pearl Harbor”.

Did 9/11 really “change everything”? Or was everything we’re seeing now planned before 9/11?

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Putting it all together ...

All of the above.

Bush labeling three nations “evil” in his first SOT.

Shortages on the battle field of known product needs, like body amour.

The need to unload old inventory, before new inventory is created.

New designs being sought for armored vehicles, six years into the war.

The need to test new inventory.

And fear.

Putting it all together, it’s all about marketing ...

Profits made on old inventory.

Profits made on developing new inventory.

Finding the perfect consumer market.

Finding the perfect test market.

And providing the fear to make it all possible.

Before 9/11 ...

The only thing missing to create the perfect market environment for the perfect war machine was the FEAR that would bring the people to support war!

Oh, and we mustn’t forget. The perfect pot to grow a despot in!

I cant for the life of me understand how anyone can still accept the “official” 9/11 story!

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 12, 2007 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

#106335 by rage on 10/11 at 1:55 pm: “...This confirms that there is no profit in peace….”

Rubbish, ‘rage’. The corporate investors have already seen big profits in “peace” and specifically in addressing climate change and global warming issues. The trouble is that (a) they have been rather late, and (b) they still don’t want to give up this money-spinner.

Any of you “loyal Americans” out there should know by now, though, that every war since Korea in the 1950’s has been for profit!!! Yes, its cost lots of blood - YOUR BLOOD - but you have been stupid enough to go sign up or to be drafted like so many sheep. In doing so, you have lost every war….!!!

If you add together all of the government departments responsible for spooks and assassins and covert operations and spying (NASA, the CIA, the State depart., etc) as well as the military “foreign aid” (guns, not food!!!), there is a hell of a lot more being wasted on interfering in the affairs of other people on this planet than meets the eye. That is all “defense spending” just as much as the army, navy and air force nominal budgets!!!

And, maybe you’d like to tell me why the USA ‘needs’ 12 nuclear aircraft carrier attack groups constantly marauding around the world’s oceans? Is that really anything to do with “peace”? Maybe you can tell me why the USA forces nations like Iraq, Iran, S.Arabia and others to sell their oil for $$US instead of whatever currency they please to accept??? That was the real reason why Iraq was invaded back in 1991, uhh.

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By rage, October 11, 2007 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment
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This confirms that there is no profit in peace.

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By Leefeller, October 11, 2007 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

Note to TD, for some reason I could not go past page 3, kept “saying bad request.”

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