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Posted on Sep 9, 2007
Mort Sahl
Mr. Fish

By Mr. Fish

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Mr. Fish: Maybe [Bradley] was exactly right, then, that Obama is good vaudeville.  I mean, isn’t there such a thing as the profession of “celebrity?” 

Sahl: Remember Ambrose Bierce?  He said in his book of definitions that a celebrity is a person who’s famous for being well known.  And that’s the extent of their influence—celebrity trial lawyers, celebrity charity givers.  Do we really want a celebrity president?

Mr. Fish: There’s another point to be made about spying, getting back to that for a second.  When the FBI infiltrates the left, it’s doing so because the power elite doesn’t understand the language of dissent—dissent that is born out of victimization, right?  And if that’s the case, aren’t we all suspect when the power elite views everybody they subjugate with suspicion for fear of revolution?  It’s like a butterfly collector who infiltrates a meeting of stamp collectors to understand why they prefer stamp collecting to butterfly collecting—absolutely nothing can be learned by such an exercise.

Sahl: Intelligence agencies do log a lot of overtime in the area of suspicion and it does encourage them to find a lot of pigeons.  But, you know, Hoover and McCarthy were never after communists.  They were after nonconformists who might want to resist the fascist tendencies of big government.  If you look at that whole blacklisting period, Judith Copeland was acquitted, Alger Hiss was convicted of perjury, not spying.  Most of the government cases fell apart when they got to court.  They were never looking for communists—they never found any.  Sure, the country is in real danger of losing its soul, but it’s not because of a group of dedicated nonconformists.

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Mr. Fish: Right—it’s conformity that is the backbone of totalitarianism, not nonconformity. 

Sahl: And who are the nonconformists today?  Who do they consider the leftists now? Arianna Huffington?  She’s on all those cable shows talking about fighting the system—it’s been pretty good to her.  (Laughs)

Mr. Fish: Well, since you were at the center of all that blacklisting stuff in the 1950s, maybe you can tell me: What exactly was so wrong with communism?  I mean, forget about what the government was saying about it, it seems that a lot of intellectuals condemned it, too.  If you look at the definition of communism in the dictionary—.

Sahl: Sounds like Jesus, doesn’t it?

Mr. Fish: Yeah, I even wrote it down in my notebook because I wanted to ask you about it.  It’s defined as: a theory advocating elimination of private property and a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed.

Sahl: When they couldn’t sell that as a threat to capitalism, they started calling it Godless communism.

Mr. Fish: Which is also amazing to me—it seems that if you’re looking for some hardcore evidence for what might be a political philosophy that ruins people’s lives and devastates the environment, probably irrevocably, you’ll find it more with capitalism than communism.

Sahl: Capitalism needs a war always to bail it out because it can never pay for itself, I agree.  You have to wonder about all that philosophically.  With all the privilege of the [American political elite], the Dulles brothers, the Bushes, Sullivan and Cromwell, Brown Brothers Harriman, all that Ivy League pedigree—Fidel led the life he wanted.  He did for 50 years.  These other guys are like ferrets trying to keep the bank open any way they can. 

Mr. Fish: And why is this not part of our public discourse?  Wasn’t that part of the promise made by you and the counterculture, that serious discussion about what we are as a species and what we might become should happen much more freely?

Sahl: People refuse to connect the dots.  Nobody will look seriously at how violent the CIA has been—they killed Lumumba, they killed General Rene Schneider in Chile, they killed Allende, 600 attempts on Fidel.  What about the kidnapping of Chavez?  Why has the violent side of the agency never come up in a serious way?

Mr. Fish: People, I think, will only be interested in seeking the truth if they feel they can apply their findings.  But getting back to the thing about capitalism—it’s a system that’s incompatible with the human equation; both are based on completely different value systems.  Capitalism is based on an accumulative value system where the more capital you have, the more value you have and human beings are supposed to be a constant value system that doesn’t fluctuate, everybody’s right to exist being equal.  But with the value of capital and accumulated wealth being what it is, it will always be able to supercede the value of a human being and, therefore, humanity itself, which is why extinction of the species is possible, because it might make sense on paper.

Sahl: Yeah, no question.

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By Michael Deane, October 26, 2007 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment
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With all due respect to Mr Fish, I stopped paying attention to Mort Sahl when he started sucking up to the Reagans and other Republicans in the late 80s.  It was so sad because I got the feeling that it was a reaction to the fact that he had no career any more so he had to do something pathetic and outrageous to draw attention to himself.

Fundraising for Al Haig?  Voting for Nixon?

Here’s Sahl in his own pathetic words:To explain why he has hitched his wagon to the Haig candidacy, he offered up his system for backing a candidate:

‘‘When you choose someone to vote for there are three categories someone falls into: First there are things he says he will do and you know he can’t do. Then there are the things he can do and you know he won’t do. Then you’ve got to look for a guy as far away from you as possible who will say there are things he will never do. Dick Nixon said the last thing he would ever do is to recognize Red China. That’s why I’m glad I voted for him.’’ ‘(NYT, 3/21/87)

Yeah, now there’s a rebel with integrity.

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By Sheri Herman-Kirkland, October 11, 2007 at 8:44 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Fish:

I found this interview to be astonishingly refreshing and want to thank you for it. In particular I felt the last statement offered by Mr. Saul could be applied to many groups of different political pursuations - even, although I am not happy to admit it, the progressive left of which I consider myself aligned.

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By Dale Headley, October 7, 2007 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment
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It’s been 35 years or so since Mort Sahl went on Dick Cavett’s talk show and exposed himself for the petty, mean-spirited, paranoid schizophrenic, arrogant, pseudo-intellectual he really is by cruelly humiliating a defenseless young woman.  Sahl turned red when drama critic John Simon calmly came to the lady’s defense and turned the tables on him by correctly describing him as a second-rate comic.  Sahl sputtered and raged, as Simon sat and smiled.  When he was booed by the audience, he exploded in fury and all but challenged them to a duel.  Why does anyone still pay any attention to anything he says just because he uses big words?  Did someone say, ” Dennis Miller.”

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By wtf, October 3, 2007 at 2:04 am Link to this comment
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Jeanine Molloff,

Please back up your assertions about Edward’s health care policies with some facts or links.  Your comments are outrageous, and if true, you would find me making a stink too.  HOWEVER, without any facts to back up your assertions, I find your accusation devoid of meaning and typical of the corporatist attacks used to bludgeon anyone who speaks up for true change.

Maybe I am wrong (Correct me then…WITH FACTS) but I see Edwards as the only candidate truly challenging the status quo.  I am not sure I want to vote for him yet, but talk of haircuts and comments like your previous one really make me want to give him a good look.  Where there is smoke there is usually fire and your concern over Edwards betrays your true allegiance.

Seriously!  You shoot down the only candidate with a serious chance to take down the other candidates that have been foisted upon us by the media(Obama/CLINTON)???

GIVE ME A friggin BREAK!!! Nice try!  They have a name for this in the blogosphere…

Bye,
wtf
GORE ‘08

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By ernst, September 24, 2007 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

Mort Sahl should try to get on cable, it would be great. He had a black and white TV show in L.A. before, but he got stuck in complaining about Kennedy. That was important, but he got stubborn about going on about it, when people didn’t understand.  Like Orson Welles, he needs a director.  He used to read a lot of newspapers and magazines, I assume he still does.  In the good old days he was often over many people’s heads, now it would be worse, people are less educated now.  But, the audience should listen to him the way you would watch a modern play:  don’t get hung up on details, the message will come through in due course, let it flow.  When he is trying to be funny he is better than when he is trying to tell us what to do.  I saw him several time during my college days.  Get Jon Steward to make him a regular on the Daily Show, that would be great.  He would have to be willing to go along, be a team player.  Alas, Mort lacks humility, but no one is perfect.

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By Annie, September 20, 2007 at 6:48 am Link to this comment
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I suggest that everyone who likes to repeat the mantra that there are no differences between the parties read Robyn Blumner’s column, The difference between the parties is as deep as a coal mine at http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.blumner04sep04,0,1466235.story.

Undoubtedly, the differences are not so great as we would like but they are not inconsequential.

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By clarence, September 19, 2007 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

Annie: Marxist “communism” is just another form of capitalism.  It defines human progress as a function of the accumulation of capital.  In practice it didn’t seem to work out real well in Russia or China or their satellites.  But then, the first 80 years of industrial capitalism didn’t work out real well for the workers in the US or Western Europe either.  And it still isn’t working out real well in most of their satellites. 
Cuba’s no Worker’s Paradise, but then it’s had the world’s only superpower waging war against it for nearly 50 years.  And it still manages to give everyone better health care and education for free than poor people get here.
By the way, Hemi, Castro hasn’t smoked cigars in years.  Thought it set a bad example for the kids. 
Inherit the Wind:  Nader didn’t keep Gore out of the White House.  Gore’s poor campaigning, timidity concerning the Florida recount, and the blatantly partisan Supreme Court did.  Nader once asked his dad about the chances for a third party in the US.  His dad replied we’d need to first get a second party.  The Dems and Repugs are just two wings of the Corporatist Party, and the Patriot Act is proof.  The Dem enthusiasm for it was nearly as great as that of the Repugs.  Saying now that they hadn’t bothered to read it before they voted for it doesn’t get them off the hook.
(I will admit, Gore in the driver’s seat would probably have been marginally better than Cheney, and that goes for Kerry, too.)

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By rhbee, September 13, 2007 at 10:04 am Link to this comment

Whip-sawed comes to mind, as the torrent of words I use to expect from Sahl fail to occur.  Still, here we are 50 years later and nothing has changed and everything feels worse for the wear.  Damn, I was hoping to die happy.

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By Mudwollow, September 11, 2007 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment

“So, getting back to what we were talking about: What will it take for people to demand authenticity from their existence?”

These two never did get around to answering that question.

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By nf, September 11, 2007 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

A lifetime spent accomplishing nothing - the appeal of communism.

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By nf, September 11, 2007 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

What ?

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By weather, September 11, 2007 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment

Jeanine Mollof, the God in me bows to the God in you.

Thank you for your fine post.

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By ProfessorVP, September 11, 2007 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment

When I hear Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama blather about faith and God when they are speaking to rube audiences, more than ever I realize that not only is any Democratic candidate not automatically better than any Republican, but the differences are so miniscule as to be almost non-existent.  Outsourcing jobs, endless war, church and state unseparated, gays are the bogeyman.  There’s no way America could be in the state it is in without a collusion between the two parties.

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By felicity, September 11, 2007 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

THANK YOU TRUTHDIG.  As one of the ‘Beats’ in my native San Francisco, I sat at the feet of Mort at the old Hungry ‘i’ with its rickety tables, sawdust covered floor, drippy candles and soaked up the philosophy of Mort. He was cool; we were cool. We smoked, drank wine that turned our lips blue, spouted poetry even when not asked to, and sometimes talked revolution. And, we had an attention span longer than it takes to cook a soft-boiled egg.

Until I read your piece, Mr. Fish, I didn’t realize where my ‘philosophy’ came from.  I’ve been carrying Mort around in my brain for 50 plus years.

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By Jeanine Molloff, September 11, 2007 at 7:58 am Link to this comment
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The real comedy of errors lies in the fact that we have so-called serious presidential contenders who wax eternal about nonsense such as ‘faith in government’ or babble about the ‘audacity to hope.’  I have the audacity to hope that this chorus of political morons actually speaks about serious issues.  We have the first female candidate hanging on her hubby’s arm like a moonstruck teenager instead of proposing serious policy that negates the warmongers.  I don’t care about the state of her marriage, or the fact that Obama’s little daughters think daddy is ‘snory and stinky.’  These news commentators find a five year olds commentary more compelling than demanding an end to this illegal Iraq war.  They find a five year olds testimony regarding daddy’s questionable early mornng hygiene routine more worthy of serious merit than restoring the Bill of Rights.  To be fair, Obama’s kids are adorable; but they are too young to be saddled with political critique.  Leave them to recess and cartoons, and hold the politicians accountable to the people.  Then you have Edwards, who would force all of us to do exactly as the MD demands or lose any new universal health coverage.  Undergo that psych exam, take that psychiatric drug whether you need it or not, submit the results to the government or lose your new universal coverage.  No government has a right to coerce individuals to be medical guinea pigs or go through tests they don’t want as a condition of not losing your insurance.  That makes the doctor dictator, even if the treatment is inappropriate.  Whatever happened to respecting our right to choose what we will and will not do to our own bodies?  This isn’t about preventative care; it’s about psychological subservience and forced medication against a person’s wishes.  Disagree with the doctor and lose your insurance.  You don’t force people into preventative care, you give the facts and let them decide for themselves.  Edward’s dictatorial streak is the way some people treat a 2 year old, not an adult.  Again, the comedy rests in the fact that intelligent discussion of real problems is being supplanted by discussion of ‘snory and stinky.’ 

Jeanine Molloff

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By ender, September 11, 2007 at 6:47 am Link to this comment
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Shut up and drink the coolaid.  Its funny how Mike Moore’s SICKO has stood up to rebuttal, and no one can really argue with it, but Brainwashed Americans can’t seem to get it that the Socialist Countries of Northern Europe have a higher standard of living than us by a huge margin.  Better heath care, more leasure time, they live longer, and consider themselves happier, than Americans by a long shot.

Read this topic with your eyes open, instead of interjecting your expectations before you have a chance to understand.

Totalitarianism, as practised by China and the former USSR is a form of Gov’t, as opposed to Democracy.  Socialism is a form or Economics, as opposed to Capitalism.  The very successful Socialist nations of nothern Europe are all Democratic, and have the opportunity to elect for a Capitalist system, anytime they choose…they choose not to.

We don’t have that freedom here.  We have go parties, both Capitalist, and the only socialism is that practised for the benifit of the Corporations that benefit the most from our empirialist excursions into domination of the world…marketplace.  The Fed is the our most powerful institution, and its sole function is to insure that the Capital stays where it is, and profits flow to the centers of Capital.  The gap between rich and poor is larger than ever, and the percentage of citizens that control the majority of the wealth grows ever smaller.

Or, don’t read this or any other source of the TRUTH about our Corporate Aristocracy, drink the coolaid, take the trinkets they give you, and die with your nose to their grindstone.

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By Traveler, September 11, 2007 at 5:40 am Link to this comment
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Mort Sahl, this man knows how to choose the right words. Congratulations!

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By Lee Driver, September 11, 2007 at 4:51 am Link to this comment
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Why do most of us want to find fault? Ask yourself that please. These are just two off beat guys having a discussion. A cartoonist and a comedian satirist; guys who have made it their businesss to make fun of the shit that goes on, to pop baloons that often enough -  are ridiculous if you take a look. You could say they could have been a Dick Cheney or a Hubert Humphrey if they wanted to, wield some real power, but no they could not.  Some of what they say it is even very good. We’re here “to find our way home and to search for justice and romance along the way.” Not bad. Not that far removed from Kurt Vonnegut saying we’re here to fart around. And a darn sight better than we’re here to get ahead, even if we have to step on peoples faces. Ease up folks. They’re just two guys who found a way to get their two cents in. Sometimes they’re right on, sometimes they’re mistaken or just plain wrong. That ever happen to you?

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By News Nag, September 10, 2007 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment
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Sahl carries a lot of wisdom.  So what if he blew up on stage 40 years ago.  That was then.  He was right in the 50s and 60s and right now.  Whoever you are talking about Kosovo swallowed the mainstream cover story, which contained particles of truth.  There were no mass Serbian killings or cleansing of Kosovan Albanians until AFTER the U.S. started bombing Serbia.  Also, Milosevic had agreed to terms but Clinton upped the ante just so he could commence the bombing.  Sure Milosevic was a tyrant and murderer, but the The West, lead by the U.S., Britain, and Germany, had its ulterior motives.  The West wanted to neuter Slavic Serbia and assimilate the rest of Yugoslavia, one of the biggest prizes of the former Soviet bloc, and now a major oil/gas pipeline has been/is being built through Kosovo to Albania from the Central Asian energy fields just so the West can bypass Russia as a route to deliver oil and gas to Europe.  The goal is still isolating and weakening Russia, and the West is still the bigger genocidal agent in the world, with the U.S. leading the way even today.  And I love this country, but sometimes I really hate what it is doing, and now is again one of those outrageous times.  Besides, I always preferred Woody Allen’s brand of humor and Lenny Bruce’s insights.  Sahl, however, as I said, has experience and wisdom, and you who are carried along on his shoulders act like pygmies ignorant of who it is that carries you.

Love,
News Nag

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By Annie, September 10, 2007 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment
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What is wrong with communism?  Well, as a theory, it holds some appeal for many people because it means—remember, in theory—that no one is left out, no one is left in poverty simply because they’re sick or weak or maybe not as smart as everyone else.  In reality, it suffers from several problems.  One is that, just as unregulated capitalism allows human greed to run wild, communism encourages both laziness and apathy.  Human nature gets in the way.  And both communism and capitalism and—for that matter—just about every other system that human being have tried either results in the most greedy and ruthless in the population to exploit everyone else or it results in a bare-bones existence.  The systems that don’t produce such exploitation have the problem of not advancing human life by much.  That’s fine if a small band of humans is living in a paradise with plentiful food, good climate, and few natural dangers.  Otherwise, not so good.  Capitalism, regulated by the government to provide a counter-balancing force can offer a pretty good system.  So, these two idiots should tell us just which communist countries have provided unruined lives and undevestated environments for their citizens.  Sheesh.

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By Hemi*, September 10, 2007 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

“Then the deciders of “need” become the REAL powers—and somehow they always “need” the fancy limos and summer homes more than other people need a radio or adequate food.”  - Inherit The Wind

Beautiful, well said. Fidel always smokes the cigars; you’ve never seen him pick tobacco.

“It should be remembered that America charged into Kosovo to stop a fascist dictatorship that was practicing genocide on Muslims.  There was not a lot of pay off to it. No credit from the Muslim nations for liberating their brothers. No oil in the region.  We are not an occupying force there now. The military tried it’s best to limit civilian casualties but it was war.” – Lon

Of course Lon but that information did not fit in with Mort’s schtick. Never let the facts interrupt a good story. He’s on his own planet as exemplified in Dale Headley’s encapsulation of the Dick Cavett Show appearance.

“We have yet to see an American Jew of any respect and standing come out an confront the remarkable arrogance and brazen deceit that is Israel.” – weather

It’s the old adage weather, don’t sh*t where you eat.

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By Inherit The WInd, September 10, 2007 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment
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Tom Semioli on 9/10 at 11:17 am
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Inherit The Wind: Any DEMOCRAT is NOT better than any REPUBLICAN. And as for Nader, he was America’s last chance at a Democracy. America is now a corporate monarchy, and Americans simply do not have the intellectual capacity to change things. Keep yer head down!

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Yeah. Right. Sure. 

Ron Paul isn’t going to get elected—he’s just window dressing to “prove” Republicans don’t all think and talk alike and are clones of George W. Bush.  Which they are.

When Bill Clinton left office we weren’t a nation on the brink of bankruptcy and fascism, having trashed virtually all of our Constitutional guarantees of freedom except inertia. 

Which is where we are now, and a small part is due to Ralph Nader, because he HAD a choice and a chance to make a difference, a real difference, and chose his ego over his nation’s freedom.

Anything Nader achieved was offset by that insane bout of ego.  And Sahl is typical of such thinkers.

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By Tom Semioli, September 10, 2007 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment
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Inherit The Wind: Any DEMOCRAT is NOT better than any REPUBLICAN. And as for Nader, he was America’s last chance at a Democracy. America is now a corporate monarchy, and Americans simply do not have the intellectual capacity to change things. Keep yer head down!

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By C Quil, September 10, 2007 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

Thank you, Mr. Fish.

Mort Sahl’s words “People just have to remember what we’re all here for: to find our way home and to search for justice and romance along the way.  Heroism is just learning how to listen to your better angels.”

Reminds me of Dickens, “...and to think of other people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys”.

This is it - the one and only life. Nothing before, nothing after.  To spend it on war, destruction, massacres, is just completely stupid.

As far as any Democrat being better than any Republican, we only have to look at what they haven’t accomplished since they took over the house, where they’ve caved over and over on everything that’s important, even when most Americans back these changes. No impeachment, no end to war, no cleaning up the sludge of corruptioin. Clinton VOTED for the war, as did most of the Democrats.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 10, 2007 at 11:23 am Link to this comment
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I used to be SUCH a big fan of Mort Sahl.  Not anymore.  He’s still dishing out the litany of “offenses” that sounds like the ‘60’s. He still doesn’t get it: ANY Democrat is far better than ANY Republican now running.  The Nader “not a dime’s worth of difference” is disproven in two words: “Patriot Act”.

And like two old-time communists, neither Fish nor Sahl have a CLUE about the inherent problem with Communism: It forces every person to approach all the others as slaves and beggers—slaves because you work without reward, beggers because your “need” is the currency by which you receive the results of the slave labor.  Then the deciders of “need” become the REAL powers—and somehow they always “need” the fancy limos and summer homes more than other people need a radio or adequate food.

Sahl spent a HUGE amount of time working with Jim Garrisson on his quixotic quest to prove Clay Shaw was involved in JFK’s murder—and Sahl was one of the first great conspiracy-theorists, ignoring all solid evidence to the contrary.

OTOH, he DID coin the golden line “I used to date actresses and other female impersonators.”...

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By Dale Headley, September 10, 2007 at 10:50 am Link to this comment
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Why does anybody still listen to this pseudo-intellectual, unfunny, loser?  Forty years or so ago, Mort Sahl showed his real self to a national TV audience when he self-destructed in megalomaniacal paranoia on Dick Cavett’s show.  He screamed at the audience for first booing, then laughing AT him, his face purple with rage.  Nevertheless, there are some, as demonstrated by other responses above, who still believe that the tactic of throwing around big words legitimizes his superior, mean-spirited, ad hominem tirades against those whom he chooses to bully.  On the aforementioned Cavett show, he had humiliated an airline stewardess (as they were called then) by implying she was stupid and inconsequential, which brought her to tears.  He seemed to think that was very funny, but the audience didn’t.  He reacted by standing up and proclaiming himself the paragon of political wisdom and derided the audience for not being aware of his greatness.  When his rage failed to quell the audience’s disapproval, he turned to Cavett and asked if he was going to do something about it.  Cavett smiled wanly and said, in effect, that he was actually quite pleased with the audience’s reaction.  It is no coincidence, that his career pretty much tanked after that, as far as any wide appeal is concerned.
    Of course, Sahl has not entirely disappeared from the small screen.  He appears regularly on Fox News in a new form called “Dennis Miller.”

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By Howard, September 10, 2007 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Lovely words by Sahl. On the mark as usual.
3 cheers for him ! Intelligent and witty !!

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By Lon, September 10, 2007 at 8:13 am Link to this comment
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All respect to Mort Sahl. I have always loved his work. That said, it should be pointed out that when “Clinton bombed civilians in Kosovo.” It should be rememberd that America charged into Kosovo to stop a fascist dictatorship that was practicing genocide on Muslims.  There was not a lot of pay off to it. No credit from the Muslim nations for liberating their brothers. No oil in the region.  We are not an occuping force there now. The military tried it’s best to limit civilian casualties but it was war. If America had sat back and done nothing
would that have been OK?  The point is that either
scenerio provides fodder for black humor and cutting remarks for political commentators.
The right thinking people in the world should
not allow dictatorships to grow out of control.

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By G.Anderson, September 10, 2007 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

Loved it Mr. Fish…thank you…...

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By weather, September 10, 2007 at 2:53 am Link to this comment

How furtive Mr. Fish, how deflecting and distracting for all that was Not discussed.

We have yet to see an American Jew of any respect and standing come out an confront the remarkable arrogance and brazen deceit that is Israel.

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