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Mike Jones on Ted Haggard and Hypocrisy

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Posted on Jul 7, 2007
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Harris: What’s been the best improvement for you? 

Jones: I don’t know if I can say an improvement. What I can say is I’m 50 years old now. My life is, I have no more baggage. My life is so exposed; I literally have no more baggage. I have nothing to hide from anybody. And that’s kind of a unique situation to be in. I can kind of start fresh with whatever I decide to do. But it is overpowering because right before Ted Haggard came to life, I had just lost my mom to a horrible death, so I was very depressed about that, and then Ted Haggard came along. And it’s been a very emotional last few months for me. 

Scheer: Now, I want to ask about sex scandals with the evangelicals, because James is talking about the Catholic Church. ... Now with evangelicals, though, there have been sex scandals, though, but they weren’t with homosexuals. Why did your scandal get so much traction? Why do you think it cost [the Republicans] the election? 

Jones: The homosexual part? 

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Scheer: The homosexual part. Do you think the evangelicals? 

Jones: They can deal with straight sex, they can deal with drug abuse. They can deal with anything. If you throw in homosexuality in there, that changes everything. They cannot deal with that. 

Harris: So Haggard lost credibility because he was gay? And he proclaimed to be somebody else? 

Jones: Because of the homosexuality aspect. 

Harris: You’re saying, had he came out and there was a 30-year-old hot blond women, he would have been fine. But since you weren’t the hot blonde, that that ended his career? 

Jones: Look at Jimmy Swaggart. He’s a prime example. He got caught with a prostitute, you know, he’s back doing his thing. Absolutely, absolutely. Haggard, what he would have done, he would have admitted it, he would have asked for forgiveness. He would have cried, and he would have kept going. But you throw the gay aspect in there and that threw him for a loop. 

Harris: We talked to a guy by the name of Cyd Ziegler, he’s the chief at Outsports.com, and we were talking about the Tim Hardaway incident. I don’t know if you remember that earlier this year ... when he [Hardaway] talked about John Amaechi in such horrible terms. But I asked him, quite frankly, “Don’t you think there is a collective fear and loathing of homosexuality in this country?” And [Ziegler] told me: “No, I don’t. I think it’s much better than it used to be, and people, by and large, accept homosexuality.” I’d love to know what you think the general feeling about homosexuality is in this country. 

Jones: Yeah, I think it’s getting better. I’ve seen it since, you know; I’ve been around for a while. So I’ve seen it during the really rough periods. Is it there where it should be yet? No. But, I would guess that within 10 years every person out there is going to know someone, or have a family member, that is gay. And that’s where the real change comes into ... when it’s so close to you, definite changes. I think it’s going to get better, I think it’s better. But is it perfect? No. Will it ever be perfect? Probably not. 

Scheer: Are you glad this came out ... the book has been written, and Ted Haggard has been exposed? Do you think it made a big dent in the evangelicals? Maybe they have to take a look at themselves? 

Jones: Yeah. I can tell you about New Life Church [Haggard’s former church]. Their attendance is down 25 percent right now, and during the election last election, when this story broke, 8 percent of the evangelicals did not vote. That’s huge. And I think they are having to take a look at themselves because, you know what, this can’t continue. You know what, the way the church [Christianity] deals with homosexuality is they don’t deal with it. They want to brush it to the side as quickly as possible. And then you know what we get? We get more Ted Haggards down the road. I mean, how many times do we want to go through this? This is ridiculous. There are so many more important issues to deal with in this country than gay marriage. So, I think they are taking a look at it; it’s going to be slow coming, but sooner or later they’re going to have to come to terms. 

Harris: Do you really think the church is going to come to terms with homosexuality? 

Jones: You know, it’s starting to wear on people. People are getting tired. How many more times do we have to hear about pedophilia in the Catholic Church? How many more times do we have to hear about, you know, affairs, you know, with priests crumbling down, or pastors falling from the pedestal? People are getting weary, and that’s what is going to make a change. People are going to go, “God, is this worth all the aggravation?” You know ... I really think it’s going to get better, and I can tell you that I know from behind the scenes, people in the evangelical church are talking. They’re saying, “We have to modify our positions. This is ridiculous.” So, it will be slow coming, but I firmly believe it will be changing. 

Scheer: And also, I think, to kind of counter James’ point, I think the hard-liners are going to start having to go away. I mean lots of people are lapsed religious people or they go to church once a week. I think the hard-liners, maybe that Ted Haggard is part of, they will say, “This is obviously an issue that we are going to lose on.”

Jones: Well, and you know what, look at the age of people like James Dobson and Pat Robertson. 

Scheer: They’ll be dead soon. 

Jones: And we just got Jerry Falwell who just went on. So that old era is going to be leaving us pretty soon. And are there a few people waiting in line to take over? Yes, but there will never be people quite like these guys. And that’s where I think the change is really going to happen once they’re gone. 

Harris: Mike Jones is his name. Be sure to pick up a copy of “I Had to Say Something,” the new book by Mike Jones. Mike, thanks for spending time with us. 

Jones: I appreciate it. Thank you so much. 

Harris: For Josh Scheer, this is James Harris. And this has been Truthdig.


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By Alberto, May 28, 2008 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. gal 6:1

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By dee, October 9, 2007 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment
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whoever is without sin, cast the first stone is what i like to say, noone is perfect, but we fight againts the flesh everyday!

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By John Foland, August 25, 2007 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment
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I don’t get the blame game that so many people are playing in this forum. Mike Jones exposed a lying, thieving hypocrite whose fame and fortune came from stupidly religious people who supported his hateful efforts to denigrate and deny basic human rights to gay people while hiding the simple truth that he is and alway will be a gay man. Now, he continues his mean-spirited nonsense by claiming he just wandered off the hetero path for a while, but is now cured, thank God, but is still seeking contributions from his church flock to maintain his lifestyle until he is back on his feet again (yeah, pun intended.) No, I am neither gay nor christian, but I do know there’s nothing right about Haggard and that Jones did the right thing by telling the truth about him.

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By richard kobzey, August 14, 2007 at 4:51 am Link to this comment
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Mike Jones for President.

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By Outraged, August 14, 2007 at 1:28 am Link to this comment

Hmmm….Do you people watch alot of General Hospital or something???  Really, I never would have understood the complexities of the situation, if not for your intellectual depth of conversation.

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By rage, August 2, 2007 at 11:58 am Link to this comment
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“These are the only circumstances that I am for “outing” of gays, or lambasting anyone else for that matter. For instance, Clarence Thomas’ self-hatred is appalling.” Shag on 8/01 at 6:26 pm


DAAAAAYAMN!

Clarence Thomas is gay?!!! I can’t believe I missed that news flash! DAYAMN!

(lol) - no——


Now, yes, end Haggard’s access to Dumya’s empty-headed ears, because that horrendously and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY encroaches on America’s freedom, liberty, and the general pursuit of happiness. But, this ‘outing’ business is just bad. All we do is criminalize areas of our lives where there is no crime. Hypocrisy, religious zeal, gay sex, and self-hatred are not crimes, regardless of the public’s perception of these. The only civil crimes noted here were prostitution and the possession of the controlled substance meth for which neither Haggard nor Jones has ever been charged, even though, as Bru has repetedly reminded us, Jones did not deal drugs.

This whole ordeal was a waste of time. America just wasn’t that overwhelmingly shocked by Jones’ got-cha’ revelations of Haggard’s secret regualar Crystal METHodist Booty Sacrament. We’ve been numbed to the news of preacher scandals ever since Jim Jones brought the first grape Flavor-Ade to his Guyana jungle party back in the ‘70s. Personally, it’s information I really don’t care to hear while considering the potential of having jobs outsourced one task at a time to some village in the third world which is now being overseen by ‘missionaries’ from Haggard’s foreign faith-based economic ministry, one of those lucretive deals possibly negotiated during one of his Dumya43 conference calls. This sort of thing goes unreported, while it occurs more often than Haggard met Jones.

I am chafed that these mega-ministerial tools of Administration43 are granted TAX-EXEMPT nonprofit status, despite being a rapture-ready corporations that rake in millions of bucks monthly. These resources are notably misused to subvert the US CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS in deference to Dumya43 imperial doctrinal signing statements that benefit the Haggards and Hagees of America. Meanwhile, the media pumps us full of this useless tabloid tripe about some freaky pastor’s drug-addled sexploits in the land of sexually repressive self-hatred and denial. Well, fine. Jones just proved Haggard is screaming for sexual therapy and deliverence from his dishonest hypocrisy. But, does that adequately prove he’s a crook worthy of ink on the front page of more than the National Enquirer?

If the media is going to call a phony preacher out to be publicly flogged, let the good reporters build a serious case that brings these pharisees to justice for their irrefultable evidence-subtantiated proof of oft-committed, inethical, amoral offenses of FRAUD, ABUSE, TAX EVASION, and CRIMES pursuant to the flagrant VIOLATIONS of the CONSTITUTIONAL SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Then, start JAILING these miserable fakers for their proven prosecutable criminal malfeasance. Trust me, one of these prosecuted preachers will be bound to be Divinely anointed to testify loud and long against one or two of these publicly elected crooked wretches, so America can start slowing up some of this ruthless corruption. Otherwise we’ll continue to unfairly smear momentarily targeted microcosms of our beleagered society, which is neither fair nor an equitable resolution to the plague of neo-con religio-fascism.

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By Shag, August 1, 2007 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment
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These are the only circumstances that I am for “outing” of gays, or lambasting anyone else for that matter. For instance, Clarence Thomas’ self-hatred is appalling.

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By BruSays, August 1, 2007 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

Verla Mae:

XXX OOO

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By Verla Mae, August 1, 2007 at 5:43 am Link to this comment
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Ha ha ha!

Pissy are we, Bru, honey?

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By BruSays, July 31, 2007 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

Vera and Rage,

I hope you’ll be happy together. “Idiot,” “Book-whoring,” “Opportunistic fart,”...I guess I’m fortunate that I can’t read, much less understand, these words and phrases that so enlighten and expand your conversations.

Have a nice day.

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By Verla Mae, July 30, 2007 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment
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Bru, you’re an idiot.

Rage meant “why do you hate America” was a joke more like playfully insinuating you might be a brillo viewer. Get it? Probably not. Anyway, it was a joke.

And, rage, your last post was just brilliant. I don’t think bru can read, so it was hard for him to get his brain around all that.

It made me wonder though. In one fell swoop, the press sent us after both homosexuals and the church. To be honest, I had never heard of Ted Haggard before this. And, I do go to church and watch TBN from time to time. And, I just don’t recall this guy before this thread and the TV reports.

It’s kind of scary to think that just anyone can just be opened up to public scorn that way. Who are these evil bastards going to turn us on next?

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By BruSays, July 30, 2007 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

Rage…I stand by my last comment. It’s time to move on.

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By rage, July 28, 2007 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment
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BruSays on 7/28 at 8:38 am
Rage, I’ll let your response speak for itself. (“Come, come bru, why do you hate America?”) Give me a break. Save it for the Bill O’Reilly show.


That betrays a personal limitation, Bru. The world and life are a little more complicated than that. That I find a snitch to be no better a human being than a hypocrite in denial does not make me a loofah-monger fueled by ridiculous personal beliefs about the GLBT community. That is utter nonsense, actually. I am a fierce live-and-let-live advocate who feels Luv Jones probably should have done exactly that - lived and left Haggard alone.

Obviously, judging from these posts, I am not the only American liberty-loving pursuer of happiness who holds that truth to be evident. We’re all in agreement that Haggard was a hypocrite living in denial. We all abominated Haggard’s abuse of his pastoral authority to curry favor with the GOP in a way that has viciously encroached on the rights and liberties of America. That not withstanding, no one was anxiously beside himself over this Haggard rat snagging his spindly tail in Luv Jones’ crack for three years. Pharisees, alas, are as human as anyone else. Furthermore, pharisees are not the only irreligious cynics who publicly declare one thing while privately devoting themselves wholly to the very antitheses of their public declaration. Such happens to comprehensively define being a 21st century REPUBLICAN.

Bru, I am not your enemy. What has become patently obvious to me, though, is that the media took thorough and relentless advantage of how tired the Nation has gotten of these pulpit pimps whoring Christ’s Bride (the church) to the Beast (the Dumya43 Administration) to realize their ambition of living in a national church-state. The media craftily manipulated the volatile circumstances of our strained social environment to fastidiously illicit our empathetic righteous indignation for Luv Jones’ knowing tolerance of an insufferable egotistical Judas in Jesus’ robes. For three long years of liberal remuneration, this publicly mistreated soul willfully provided the private scandalous sexual accommodation Haggard had been unable to enjoy in any other situation under any other circumstance, especially in his marriage to his wife, even after a Holy Ghost anointed prayer service. Vexed with the sham, and conveniently armed with telephone recordings of Haggard making several of his many appointments to receive his regular Crystal Methodist Booty Blessing, Luv Jones had to say something. He just had to. LOL! Yeah, right.

Using the ministry video clips of Haggard glibly claiming to know what his minion’s did the previous evening and preaching against the alleged evils of homosexuality, the media granted our scorning Haggard dubious approval. Religion is the Goldstein in our 1984, the bane of the National fabric. Haggard was our 1984’s Smith, and Jones was the tool of the state who sold Smith the notebook in which he wrote 2 + 2 = 4. Just as in 1984, when it became expedient, the merchant sold Smith to the state in the heat of intense public scrutiny. Haggard has subsequently been dismissed as what is so pitifully typical of these zealous church trolls with access to the red phone in Dumya’s Oval Office potty chamber. Meanwhile, the state is planning future blitzes utilizing sex propaganda. Ironically, this story broke right before mid term elections. I suspect that at some infinitely interesting point of plausible accountability, our Homeland propaganda spin machine got marching orders to divert our attention away from information that was more pertinent in our deciding the matters of our day. After all, this ridiculous crap wasn’t news. This bull$@!+ was the poisonous rancid loaves the Chimperor’s cronies routinely feed to the callow maddened masses attending the gladiatorial political circus of the American Empire.

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By BruSays, July 28, 2007 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

Rage, I’ll let your response speak for itself. (“Come, come bru, why do you hate America?”) Give me a break. Save it for the Bill O’Reilly show.

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By grob, July 27, 2007 at 11:04 pm Link to this comment

Not a drug dealer?  Didn’t Jones play a phone message from Haggard offering him a large sum of money to buy a quantity of christal?  Is Jones claiming that he never procured drugs for Haggard?  Or is he claiming he didn’t mark up the price and there for it wasn’t dealing?

“I Had to Say Something,”  No he didn’t.  He did it because he wanted to, and Haggard was a big name and he though that writing a book about him would be a big score. 

Jones said that he didn’t like the word ‘prostitute’.  It sounds like Jones is in denial. He claimed that what he gave was more than sex.  It was companionship;  It was emotional.  He made it sound like he were a professional.  But, a professional keeps confidences.  A therapist, an attorney, a doctor would not betray a confidence by writing a book about what was done in confidence.  He betrayed that confidence and rationalized it by saying that Haggard was a hypocrite for preaching that homosexuality is a sin.

If Jone felt that what Haggard was doing was a wrong, why not ask him to explain himself.  Maybe he could have persuaded him to confront his hypocrisy and perhaps modify his views and preaching.  But there would have been no money in that.  And that’s why he didn’t do it.

Haggard’s big sin was being a hypocrite.  He wasn’t molesting children as so many Catholic priests have.  He cheated on his spouse, but Jones knew that from the start. 

So what if he thinks homosexuality is a sin.  A good many religions do.  Adultery is considered a sin too.  Not taking Jesus Christ as your lord and savior is a mortal sin.  And as a non-believer, most Christians would say that when I die, that I will be cast in to a lake of fire.  This hardly bothers me since, I no more believe in the lake of fire, than I believe that Jesus was my savior.

I don’t understand why Jones cares what some dumb preacher says.    If you don’t like what some preacher says start up your own church and preach what you think is right. 

I’ve indulged in a lot of sex and drugs that preachers would condemn.  But as that it was all between consenting adults, it didn’t violate my moral code.  And my moral code is all that I need justify.

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By rage, July 27, 2007 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment
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“Still, I hear a “kill-the-messenger message”. Were Haggard outed in a book by say, a police officer, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. ” BruSays

LOL! Come, come, bru. Why do you hate America?

I have yet to read one suggestion to kill Luv Jones in any of the posts here. Now, I’ll be the first to pitch his book into the fireplace. And, I’ll concede that there are those who are less than impressed with Luv Jones. But, no one here feels him offensive enough to warrent execution. We’re Americans, Bru. To us, Luv Jones has the same rights to free speech possessed by us who are chagrined by and critical of his betrayal of his Haggard client. Luv Jones even has the same right to keeping his secrets. Albeit, that Jones decided to go off on a cash induced tear to divulge his secrets did not grant him the licence to divulge Haggard’s too while he was out on that tear, no matter how big a hypocrite the preacher had proven to be.

I too agree with Penny Pooh. I would have better appreciated Jones public confrontation of Haggard before he started counting that money. Jones should have at least been man enough to face Haggard with his contempt for the duplicitous fraud the pharisee regularly perpetrated. But, Jones went right to the media first, from there to a publishing house to see how much cash his story could rake in, and then to his bank. Haggard simply woke up that fateful morning to discover that he had been publicly betrayed by the sexual servant in whom he had confided for more than three years. That was not virtuous, just, or bred of any moralistic compulsion. That was the below-the-belt fist to Haggard’s nuts from a contemptable greedy coward. For that, Jones deserved a return punch in the balls, if anything. But, he sure as hell deserved no congratulatory praise for that. Jones’ reward has justifiably been the limelight in which he’s basked and the money he’s banked from the book he’s whoring.

Like I said, I sure hope that book remains in the front bin at Borders for a very long time. And, I pray Jones is saving some of that loot. As it is, that tell-all tome has already been reduced in price from $23.99 to $19.99 at two of the bookstores in which I’ve run across it. That, and, no one, even in the church circles, really mentions Ted Haggard much these days. You keep pointing out that Luv Jones is not a drug dealer. Well, he might want to seriously consider covert compensation from vending a little weed, some crystal, or X at the local raves, only to supplement his sagging book sales through this down-trend, having destroyed his career in prostitution.

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By BruSays, July 27, 2007 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

Penny Pooh,

Thanks for a reasonable, thought-provoking response…in cool contrast to the almost comical, grade school name-calling contributed by others.

Still, I hear a “kill-the-messenger message”. Were Haggard outed in a book by say, a police officer, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

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By rage, July 26, 2007 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment
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bruSays: “This guy wrote a book exposing a high-profile asshole and all I’m reading is a bitter, homophobic “kill the messenger” line.

P.S. Once again, Jones was not a drug dealer.”

LOL!

No one is bitterly calling for Luv Jones’ death. Your problem is that few commenting see anything exceptionally terrific about Luv Jones putting Hypocrite Haggard out on front street. Luv Jones doesn’t automatically receive beatification for deciding to publicly humiliate Haggard for preaching against the butt-boning for which he laid out some bucks, even though Jones is not a drug dealer. This aging ambitious opportunistic fart is not one bit better than the drug-addled two-faced self-loathing old knave busted for living in denial. And, no one is bashing these old dicks. Actually, they are so evenly matched they should be made to stay together.

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By Verla Mae, July 26, 2007 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment
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Did Al Gore whore An Inconvenient Truth?

Bru, honey, when did Al stop whoring it?

Anybody selling anything is whoring it to beat the band because everybody wants that huge sales success. I doubt seriously if Mike Jones is any different. I’m pretty sure ol’Mike would like to unload more than a hand full of copies to his mom, family, and his boyfriend, or whatever. So, I’m afraid Mike Jones is viciously whoring his tale about his gay life of whoring his tail just like a huckster with a surplus on the last day of a flee market.

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By penny pooh, July 26, 2007 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment
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No one is saying kill the messenger.

No one is being homophobic.

I believe the point is that Jones the messenger is no better than the a$$hole he outed in his book.

Jones saw a buck to be made and made it. I don’t see anything wrong with that, actually. The guy is not a half bad writer. Those details earned him some change.

But to claim he was doing something to be decent is a little dishonest.

Sure, confront Haggard publicly. This faker has that much coming. But, Jones busted Haggard on TV a bunch of times and finally in a book. You get paid for coming on these shows. Publishing houses pay writers pretty good for putting these stories out in print.

It’s cool to get paid. Just admit that’s why you’re in it is all everyone is saying.

A person gives blood to the Red Cross to be decent and moral. Not juicy gossip about the tricks you turned at a dime a pop.

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By BruSays, July 26, 2007 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

Sorry guys…I disagree.

Again, nothing I’ve read or seen tells me that Jones is an “opportunistic whore” or is “whoring a book.”

Opportunistic? Perhaps. But he didn’t publish the book; he wrote it. The publisher saw the timeliness of the book and struck while the the iron was hot. This is done hundreds of times a year. Did Al Gore “whore” his movie “An Inconvenient Truth”?

Please, let’s get real. This guy wrote a book exposing a high-profile asshole and all I’m reading is a bitter, homophobic “kill the messenger” line.

P.S. Once again, Jones was not a drug dealer.

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By grob, July 25, 2007 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

There is no doubt about Haggard being a hypocrite.  He condemned behavior by others, that he was engaging in on a daily basis.  He’s not the only one.  Clinton was doing it when he supported the “Defence of Marriage Act” and “Abstinence for Teenagers”, while he was getting BJ’s in the oval office from 20 year old Monica Lewinsky:  Maybe not an impeachable offense, but sure makes him a hypocrite.

If Monica had outed Clinton as a hypocrite, how many would have praised her as having moral courage?  She knew that Clinton was married.  Jones knew that Haggard was married along with as he said 85% of his Johns.  Jones stated that 15% of his Johns were clergy.  What percent of those preached that homosexuality was a sin? 

Haggard wasn’t the first hypocritical trick, that Jones made money off of.  But he was obviously the most famous and the only one he had a chance of writing a ‘kiss and tell’ book about and making money.

A 50 year old male prostitute knows that his business is starting to sag and his future prospects are flaccid.  So, cashing in on a kiss and tell book, is understandable.  But, why not cut the moral pretense BS.

Jones, why not be honest about what you are and what you are doing.  The BJ’s were for money.  The drug sales were for money.  And, the book is for money.  You ratted out one of your own tricks and junkies.

Jones, you are nothing but an opportunistic whore.

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by BruSays on 7/24 at 9:35 am “It sounds to me that Rage has dismissed an entire book based on his very personal belief that because the author was a gay escort, he must be using the book to exorcize his guilt. Nonsense. The book remains the honest outing of a hypocrite…a gay, drug-using hypocrite who pointed fingers at the gay lifestyle and the sins of drug-users. Bravo to Jones.”

LOL!

Please!

Right now, it’s hard for me to determine who is the bigger fraud: the backslidden hypocritical pharisee or the opportunistic snitching trick. I side with neither the trick nor the john. Both literally suck and both are deceitful.

Larry Flynt, an idol of mine, has list of GOP and evangelical hypocrites who whore around with prostitutes, gay and straight. Michael Savage, another idol of mine, outs ‘em wherever he can in a brutally honest fashion that guarantees embarrassment from which one can never hope to recover just to keep me reading his column. I love both these guys for their work. At least these guys are honest enough to admit they’re outing these closeted bastards to build a base of readers, sheerly out of vindictiveness, or just for the entertainment gained from watching these deceitful faking dweebs publicly writhe and sweat under merciless public scrutiny.

Luv Jones, on the other hand, cynically insults the intelligence with his insistence that the public be complicitely gullible enough to join him in his pretentious delusion of some feigned morality. Having made the conscious decision to piss publicly, Luv Jones has the temerity to now insist it rained, with this obtuse twaddle about his righteous moral compulsion. Luv Jones wants us to believe he outted Hypocrite Haggard from some spiritual epiphany’s giving rise to his moral obligation to end the hypocrisy of a meth-abusing client he’s been blowing for bucks. I guess Luv Jones was on a mission from GOD to end hypocrisy only in his religious, financially healed, meth-addled, gay-bashing client. Yeah, right! The other johns were exempted from Luv Jones’ forcing them out on his new found path of public revelation.

Come come, Bru! Had Ted Haggard been some polyester clad combed-over jerk pastoring twelve unimportant paupers in a itty-bitty storefront bearing a cross lit in Christmas tree lights in some strip mall along a scandalous beat in West Dumbbuttistan, Mike Jones would never have met him. Now, I’ll even go along with Jones having not pursued Haggard. But, once Jones realized what he had in Haggard, he didn’t let him go either. The rest is chronicled in this tell-all tome you praise so highly. And, still, moral honor, just like love, had NOTHING to do with anything. Luv Jones did this for limelight and paper. The dude is now fifty! He was thinking about his future. Business had likely started to slow to a creedp before Luv Jones lucked upon this deep-pocketed closeted charlatan. This book, if anything, is financial security for Luv Jones, providing it remains on the front row of Borders long enough.

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By BruSays, July 24, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Whoa! Jones is “whoring” his book? Someone writes a book that essentially outs a hypocrite and is labeled a “rascal” whose “defamatory prattle” is nothing but a “kiss-and-tell”?

It sounds to me that Rage has dismissed an entire book based on his very personal belief that because the author was a gay escort, he must be using the book to exorcize his guilt. Nonsense. The book remains the honest outing of a hypocrite…a gay, drug-using hypocrite who pointed fingers at the gay lifestyle and the sins of drug-users. Bravo to Jones.

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By penny pooh, July 24, 2007 at 9:41 am Link to this comment
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I am not a prostitute, but, still, I would like to think that outing a john is bad business for any trick.

Johns “visit” tricks because they want to maintain anonymity and secrecy about enjoying that peice of chicken on some forbidden plate across town.

For that reason, I hope this book Mike’s written does very well for a long time.

I can’t see this book business doing his whore gig a whole lot of good. But, it could be the beginning of a lasting career in the gay porn genre, or the gay Harlequin Romance genre.

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bruSays: 2. Jones is hardly “basking” in his outing of Haggard. Everything I’ve read indicates his decision came only after he read and heard of Haggard’s ongoing, hypocritical gay-bashing. If his aim was to out Haggard in order to gain attention, he would not have waited over 3 years to do so.

How can you claim Luv Jones is not basking in his 90 seconds of fame when he’s whoring a book about his adventure? What other purpose justifies writing a kiss-n-tell-all if it’s not to draw attention to the spectacle covered in the tome? Luv Jones has yet to turn down any attention offered in exchange for his ability to star as the victim in his retelling of this shady event. In his book, he’s claiming off of one fork of his tongue that this laborious effort is supposed to grant him the catharsis of a fresh start while offering up with the other fork of his tongue 3 years worth of juicy defamatory prattle on his gay life with a meth-using preacher. LOLOL! Get the hell outta here! The limelight will bear this rascal’s dental print for years after America has forgotten his name.

True, Haggard was a deceitful self loathing charlatan, secretly practicing the very forbidden act he publicly damned as an abomination. But, Luv Jones was not exactly doing the Lord’s work, amassing three years worth of meticulous details to assure himself he had enough dirt to adequately crunch a fool for the gay life of Crystal Methodisism Haggard secretly led, yet publicly denounced. I promise that Luv Jones knew how his preacher john was expected by his church to respond to the question of homosexuality much sooner than 3 years into their sex-drug business arrangement. I’ll bet a Big Mac that after a couple months of humoring this arrogant sanctimonious faker Haggard, Luv Jones decided to pick a day at random on which he’d cut this snake’s head clean off. Luv Jones, by his own admission, was sick and tired of hearing Haggard’s Holy Joe ranting while being used sexually this cavalierly, no matter what Haggard was paying for sex. As soon as Luv Jones had that backslidden pharisee in an inescapable compromising position, with irrefutable undeniable proof of his chicanery well established, Jones snapped his trap. Everything about this particular subterfuge makes me know that Luv Jones’ plan all along was to set Haggard up for a fall. Jones went to great lengths over 3 years to lull Haggard into a false sense of trust and confidence. Otherwise, a thousand years could have passed, and America would still be none the wiser about Haggard’s wanton mendacity.

Now, I am no fan of Haggard, finding no target more deserving of a public humiliation than a man who vehemently worked to put limits on freedom and liberty based on his personal religious sensibilities. I absolutely abhor any institutional infringement on freedom and liberty for any reason, save the prevention of risk of harm and danger from the unchecked exercise of liberty, as in minority’s rights and liberties being taken into consideration during the facilitation of the majority’s rule. That notwithstanding, I value trust and confidence just as much as liberty and freedom. For that reason, I fail to see anything heroic about Jones’ tell-all tome. Luv Jones played the Delilah to Haggard’s Samson. For financial gain and public attention, Luv Jones the man-whore betrayed his Haggard john’s trust and confidence, very likely because he tired of his john’s preachy shamming. Jones’ revelation was not the heroic act of warrior for American freedom and liberty, but the banally desperate recalcitrance of an aging petulant ambitious greedy snitch.

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By Bukko in Australia, July 21, 2007 at 1:38 am Link to this comment

Thanks for setting me straight, Bru. I thought Jones got him the meth. Now I think better of him.

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By BruSays, July 20, 2007 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

Just setting the record straight here:

1. Jones was not a “drug-dealer” as some here are claiming. Haggard asked him where he could find drugs and Jones told him. Jones did not offer or sell him drugs. (If I give someone the directions to a family-planning clinic, am I an ‘abortion doctor’?)

2. Jones is hardly “basking” in his outing of Haggard. Everything I’ve read indicates his decision came only after he read and heard of Haggard’s ongoing, hypocritical gay-bashing. If his aim was to out Haggard in order to gain attention, he would not have waited over 3 years to do so. 

Let’s keep these facts in mind as this blog continues.

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By passerby, July 20, 2007 at 11:39 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Jones just sounds like someone who was good at what he did, which included rowdy fun with people who were happy with themselves, and something a bit more complicated for people in the whole moral minefield that Haggard was in.  My life is really not impacted one way or another by what these people did, just like it is not really impacted much by what is said in this comments thread, so as far as I am concerned, the principle of liberty allows all of these things to happen.  What Mr. Haggard was trying to do as a political activist against people right to marry, that seems to me to definitely have been a restriction of the principle of liberty.  It makes no damn difference to me if the two guys in the next apartment are brothers, cousins, roommates, lovers, partners or a married couple.  Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Mr. Haggard was a threat to liberty in this country, and I guess he still is.  Mr. Jones did a patriotic act by bringing this truth to light, even though it really is none of our business, because Mr. Haggard was working to undermine a liberty THAT HE HIMSELF REQUIRES in order to be true to who he is.  If the Nazis were in power,  tossing gays into concentration camps, Haggard would possibly have been caught up in that purge, and although I don’t agree with his views, I also don’t believe he should be exterminated for who he is.

Truth is easier than principle, when the two come into conflict.  Choose truth - the whole truth, not just one layer of it.

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By Jack Jett, July 17, 2007 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment
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Mike Jones exposed one of the largest hypocrites of the year.  He ended up saving the man’s life.  He saved his family.  He saved the church. 

He doesn’t deserve some of the bashing that I have seen here.

Jack Jett
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By Linda, July 14, 2007 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment
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Mike I read ur book and it was so interesting I couldnt put it down.  I think you did a great job and good luck to you.

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By grob, July 14, 2007 at 8:51 am Link to this comment

Which is worse a sanctimonious preacher or a sanctimonious prostitute. <<Jones “I was called a prostitute. And I really hate that word . . . 80 percent of my clientele were married men . . . I felt like I had to make a moral decision about Ted Haggard”.>> 

Preachers preach a lot of silly things and that someone is going to hell for gay sex is just one small part.  Is a preacher that preaches that the Bible condemns homosexuality, but indulges in it, any different than one who preaches that the Bible condemns adultery, but indulges in it?  Should any women who sleeps with a married preacher for money or not, out the preacher as a hypocrite?  Why not? Wouldn’t that be the moral thing to do?

Jones is a 50 year old prostitute and drug pusher, who felt morally compelled to blow the whistle on one of his clients, is now hawking a book on the subject.  I’m sure it’s just business.  Isn’t it a bit hypocritical to claim the moral high ground for someone who sleeps with married men for money and pushes drugs. 

Is it hypocrisy when a hypocrite to accuses another of hypocrisy?

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By Mike, July 12, 2007 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment
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Ok… Lets see what are the facts:

We have a male prostitute and drug dealer who accuses a hipocrite of being a homosexual and a drug user. This male prostitute now wants us to believe that he is a “Therapist”. Give me a break!

Then we have the same person who is living a double life accusing the male prostitute/therapist of exagerating the facts.

How does this represent the whole Christian community and the whole gay community? All gay men are not prostitutes or drug dealers and all Christian people are not living a double life. So why don’t we just keep the focus where it should be. Ted was obviously a hipocrite and Mike was out for political and financial gain.

Those are the facts and it should end there. But all these radical gay people want to make it seem that all Christians are hipocrites. And all those radical Christian people want to make it lok like all gay people are evil. If you all think that way then somewhere a village is missing his idiot.

Over and out!

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By rowdy, July 12, 2007 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

i’m sorry mike went out of the call boy business. to someone my age he is still young and hot. any body have his phone number?

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By Verla Mae, July 11, 2007 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment
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Enough is enough. Vitters is fogiven, Falwell is dead, and Haggard has completed his Holy Ghost de-GAY-ification. With regular applications of extra-strength Sanctified Gay-B-Gone to his area, Haggard hopes to lick that gay thing for good. He’s joined up with another group of fellows with whom he hopes to lick crack and meth too.

Now, Jonesy, you’re never going to hear from Haggard again. So, Jonesy, let that Haggard thing rest. They never call you again after you blow the whistle on their homosexuality.

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By rage, July 10, 2007 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment
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This scandal really ought to be reduced in its importance to that of a fart in the wind these days. How much limelight is this attention whore afforded for kissing the preacher and telling his church? We’ve granted Luv Jones the vaunted celebration reserved for the heroes who discover the cure for cancer and AIDS. All we judgemental Americans have gained from Luv Jones’ ouster of a hypocrite Pharasee from his pulpit is the global notoriety for being piously pretentious and sanctimoniously fearful of all things sexual. Despite his hatemail, Jones is no victim in all this. He’s milked the talk circuit for every inch of attention for himself he could squeeze. And to what avail? It certainly hasn’t quelled the use of meth, or the number of gay preachers faking heterosexuality, just as it did not introduce either issue. There have always been gay and/or chemically dependent preachers faking happiness in straight marriages out of obligation to their Biblical calling. And, Christian America has always boasted a huge number of hypocrites in denial about this human failing. The truth is that nothing the Pew Foundation has published about the real Church is quite what they’d have the world believe. Despite all, though, the real Church was not set that far back by one of her more notable lying rats crying in his soup on television over having snagged his narrow tail in another public crack. The real Church is as resilient as every other thing in this country.

Until Luv Jones came along publicly spilling his Haggard beans, too few church-attendees beyond the Evangelical arena knew this Ted Haggard even existed. What Pew Foundation fails to share is that not every Christian practitioner follows the leanings of the megachurches that breed the likes of Haggard, making this duplicitous twit of no significance to many. So, this sensational act of media exploitation simply spread the usual gossipy intelligence that impacted a very few in a very small circle in some minimally measurable way. This was just nother Paris Hilton-esque spectacle masquarading as real news to blind us in fifteen minute spurts for a couple weeks. A little something-something to take our minds off the actual issues that really demanded our undivided attention.

Right now, no one really wants to hear Luv Jones pontificate on how Haggard’s life of gay sexual denial has somehow driven sexual America to some troublesome distraction. For one thing, Haggard’s lies are not that publicly perplexing or interesting. That notwithstanding, Luv Jones’ bantor is rather telling. His whole conversation screams of his openly wacking off in delight over the success of his vindictive vendetta against the Falwellian Evangelical conceit for the evangelical defamation and damnation of homosexuality. This Jones rascal is still basking in the fading glow of his taking down one little self-loathing idiot who sought to deceive handful of gullible feebs who actually cared to listen to his twist on Christendom. This big fat hairy deal brings sexual America no closer to effectively addressing our National sexual repression and revulsion than we were when AG John Ashcroft covered the bare breasts of Lady Justice. We still fear our pee-pee parts wherever we encounter them. This foolishness was never news worth reporting, and has alas reached the point of being trite, pointless, and rather ridiculous. We should feel ashamed and stupid for entertaining this Jones idiot this long.

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By joneden, July 10, 2007 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment
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Ted was the guy delivering millions and millions of votes to this sick administration. I don’t give a damn about his sexuality or hypocrisy, but I do care a great deal about his role in this illicit merger of fundamentalist Christians and the Republican party, and how it has greatly harmed this country. Enough with this sex crap already.

jon
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By dick, July 10, 2007 at 9:22 am Link to this comment
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If you need help, please call Senator David Vitter of LA. His god has forgiven him.

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By RAE, July 9, 2007 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

Worth repeating…

There is no more a CURE for homosexuality than there is a a CURE for heterosexuality. NEITHER is a disease any more than skin or eye color, so there’s nothing to cure.

What needs serious and immediate treatment, however, is the epidemic of ugly GUILT laid on by ignorant, terrified, hypocrites in the religious brainwashing games. Railing against gays is just GREAT for business - fills the coffers. Keeps the charlatans in Cadillacs and fancy estates. Gag!

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By loveinatub, July 9, 2007 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

Way to go, Mike! I applaud your convictions and if you can make a buck by writing about your experience, all the power to you! But I must also jump on the anti-meth bandwagon. Shame on you for dealing such a dangerous substance! Stick to marijuana for CHRIST’s sake! wink))

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By Skruff, July 9, 2007 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment
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by Goffredo on 7/09 at 6:45 am

“What Mike Jones is saying is that these individuals could benefit from professional help, in order to deal with the mental and emotional anguish.”

...and that should concern me because….?

But about the other you are obviously right. Because I don’t toe the liberal line, I’m a faux News patron and a Xtian.

But you lack imagination, you COULD say I was a Jewish American Nazi who spent all his spare time listening to David Allen Coe, oiling my 50 cal. and reading the Turner Diaries.

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By Chaseme, July 9, 2007 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment
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My deepest and coldest regards, I might add.

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By BruSays, July 9, 2007 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

Sadly, I think Dale Headley is right. After we hear more about Haggard’s so-called “cure,” after time and memory erase the hypocrisy of this and other evangelists, the Believers will be back throwing cash at their icons of righteousness. 

Yet there’s hope. My hat’s off to Mike Jones for standing up to this hypocrisy. Had he not “outed” Haggard, none of us would be having this conversation.

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By Scott, July 9, 2007 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

Bukko in Australia wrote “I feel the same way about cocaine, which is subverting South America.”

You might have a point to make if you’d said the same thing about tobacco and alcohol but you didn’t so you don’t.

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By Goffredo, July 9, 2007 at 7:45 am Link to this comment
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Skruff,

On YOUR Fox News website, this morning the top three headlines include:

  1)  Showdown on Capitol Hill
    Deadline to explain prosecutors’ firings looms
    Dems raring to take on Bush over commutation of Libby sentence and challenge latest claim of executive privilege
 

2)    Need Help? Get Lost
    Sprint sends letters to 1,000 subscribers, telling the ‘high-maintenance’ customers to take their business elsewhere
 

  3)  Chelsea Clinton’s Diet Wonder Drug
    China probes ‘weight loss patch’ maker’s claim it helped ex-president’s daughter shed 26.5 pounds in under a month

Numbers 2 and 3 look pretty non-news to me.  This website does not shoot wounded people.  You obviously didn’t read the article.  What Mike Jones is saying is that these individuals could benefit from professional help, in order to deal with the mental and emotional anguish.  No one is judging Ted Haggard.  As a good Christian, you should know better, right? smile

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By Charles Merrill, July 9, 2007 at 7:25 am Link to this comment
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For an evangelical to crave other men for sex is not surprising.  They openly proclaim their love for their male action hero, named Jesus.

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By TomChicago, July 9, 2007 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Mike, you did the right thing.

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By Chaseme, July 9, 2007 at 7:12 am Link to this comment
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Telegram to Fox News

This shit has gone too far (Stop).
Please see that all cameras and microphones are awarded to guerrillanews and Truthdig to assist in maintaining an honest news source (Stop).
Please inform all your viewers that cash nor murder have been added to the list of elements (Stop).
We are discontinuing your line of fake news, in light of the current trend in “realness” (Stop).
As an alternative, we will be confiscating meth supplies and replacing them with magic mushrooms, in hopes of helping Fox News viewers see beyond their reality (Stop).
Skruff, give my regards to the republicans.

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By davr, July 9, 2007 at 1:42 am Link to this comment
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How come we never hear about Falwell and Hagee butt bumping little boys and girls?

Is it OK to butt bump little boys and girls but not OK to engage in consensual sex with an adult?

I don’t get it.

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By Dale Headley, July 9, 2007 at 1:14 am Link to this comment
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Take my word for it:  after a little time has passed, Haggard will return to his former glory.  Nobody is as easy to fool as a devout Christian; just ask Jim Baker and Peter Popoff.  All Haggard has to do is utter the words “God forgave me!” and the followers will come streaming back, begging him to take their cash.

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By Louise, July 8, 2007 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

#85145 by Mike Mid-City

“Okay it’s stupid, but did anyone else find it funny as hell that the opening paragraph says the former escort who “BLEW THE WISTLE ON TED HAGGAR’S HOMOSEXUALITY”

OK, I’m slowwww ... but having a good laugh now ...
duh.

Not stupid at all ... really funny actually!
Thanks!

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By ardee, July 8, 2007 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

#85145 by Mike Mid-City on 7/08 at 1:58 pm
(476 comments total)

Okay it’s stupid, but did anyone else find it funny as hell that the opening paragraph says the former escort who “BLEW THE WISTLE ON TED HAGGAR’S HOMOSEXUALITY”

Groan oh and way, way too visual…...

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By Skruff, July 8, 2007 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment
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So when are you guys gonna give me the poop on Paris Hilton, and What’s Drew doing this week, and don’t you have some pictures to post of Exwife Joan Kennedy kneeling in her own puke at a Brighton jail?

You are becoming the thing you railed against tabloid press.

Memo to yourselves:

You do not have to print this type of non-news.

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By Dale, July 8, 2007 at 10:43 am Link to this comment
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Bukko wrote:
“Anyone like Mike Jones who uses and sells it is supporting the soul- and land-destroying underworld.”

Mike Jones never used meth nor did he sell it. Haggard asked Jones to hook him up, and that’s all Jones did - hook him up with a dealer.

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By Louise, July 8, 2007 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

“I just want to say this, I felt like I had to make a moral decision about Ted Haggard. He was hurting millions of gay people, him and the rest like James Dobson and Pat Robertson, all of them ... they hurt people. They divide this country; they don’t bring people together. And that’s what the shame is.”

In my view, that pretty well sums up the whole Televangelist phenomenon. They hurt people!

Through the miracle of electronic transfer, they reach into the home and cause doubt and confusion. Not to “save” people, but to use them. Heaping guilt and uncertainty on those already living with guilt and uncertainty, they ratchet up all things painful.

People love to see studies. I would like to see a study on how many suicides are the direct result of these self righteous hypocrites free wheeling judgment. Of course we never will. The victims survivors simply become fresh fodder for the hypocrites, and bury their grief in guilt and self condemnation.

I remember from my childhood Bible studies, Jesus said we should love our neighbors as ourselves. How can you love your neighbor when you are daily reminded you should hate yourself?

Somewhere in that same book, Jesus also said we should ...
hate that which is evil.

Targeting those who simply want a place in the world they feel welcome in, for the sole purpose of gaining money and power is contemptible.

Doing it in the name of God is pure evil.

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By ardee, July 8, 2007 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

Hypocracy is fair game….so in the interest of fairness I would like to find out about another such person as Ted Haggard, namely that James Guckert/ Jeff Gannon guy, remember him?

He is on record as logging in to the White House on numerous occasions and never logging out, implying that he spent the evening there. Anyone believe it was for his dubious career as reporter?

This is in no way a slur on those who are homosexual but it certainly is worth enquiring about those WH officials who rail against the practice in public and engage in it in private…..Karl? Karl? Is that you Mr. Rove, under that desk?

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By THOMAS BILLIS, July 8, 2007 at 5:25 am Link to this comment
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The real evil hear is that rather than acknowledge homosexuality they went the way of the “cure” route.I wonder how much they believe in the cure?Anybody got pictures of the Rev Ted in a hot tub with some of the parishoners?

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By Bukko in Australia, July 8, 2007 at 2:33 am Link to this comment

One thing that was not mentioned in this interview, and which I find unforgiveable, is the crystal meth.

I don’t care about the sex angle, which didn’t hurt anyone except Haggard’s wife. It’s a shame that Ted Haggard came from a religious culture that made him deny his innermost self. But if he wanted to waste his money paying for what any decent-looking guy could get for free, that’s his loss.

However, anyone who deals in meth is dealing in death. That shite leaves toxic waste behind in the labs that cook it up, and it destroys the people who use it. Anyone like Mike Jones who uses and sells it is supporting the soul- and land-destroying underworld. I feel the same way about cocaine, which is subverting South America.

So Mike, no worries about the “escort” thing (what you did is legal in Australian brothels, BTW) but shame onya for being a drug dealer.

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By cyrena, July 8, 2007 at 2:31 am Link to this comment

EXCELLENT!!!

You guys at truthdig do such good work!! You too Mr. Jones. You are a credit to the betterment of humanity.

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