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Posted on Jul 2, 2007
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Armed Palestinian women burn Israeli and U.S. flags during a protest against Israel’s operations in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon.

By Chris Hedges

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“The key products and services,” as Naomi Klein wrote in The Nation, “are hi-tech fences, unmanned drones, biometric IDs, video and audio surveillance gear, air passenger profiling and prisoner interrogation systems—precisely the tools and technologies Israel has used to lock in the occupied territories.  And that is why the chaos in Gaza and the rest of the region doesn’t threaten the bottom line in Tel Aviv, and may actually boost it.  Israel has learned to turn endless war into a brand asset, pitching its uprooting, occupation and containment of the Palestinian people as a half-century head start in the ‘global war on terror.’ ”

The United States, at least officially, does not support the occupation and calls for a viable Palestinian state.  It is a global player, with interests that stretch well beyond the boundaries of the Middle East, and the equation that Israel’s enemies are our enemies is not that simple.

“Terrorism is not a single adversary,” John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt wrote in The London Review of Books, “but a tactic employed by a wide array of political groups.  The terrorist organizations that threaten Israel do not threaten the United States, except when it intervenes against them (as in Lebanon in 1982).  Moreover, Palestinian terrorism is not random violence directed against Israel or ‘the West’; it is largely a response to Israel’s prolonged campaign to colonize the West Bank and Gaza Strip.  More important, saying that Israel and the US are united by a shared terrorist threat has the causal relationship backwards: the US has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel, not the other way around.”

Middle Eastern policy is shaped in the United States by those with very close ties to the Israel lobby.  Those who attempt to counter the virulent Israeli position, such as former Secretary of State Colin Powell, are ruthlessly slapped down.  This alliance was true also during the Clinton administration, with its array of Israel-first Middle East experts, including special Middle East coordinator Dennis Ross and Martin Indyk, the former deputy director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, one of the most powerful Israel lobbying groups in Washington.  But at least people like Indyk and Ross are sane, willing to consider a Palestinian state, however unviable, as long as it is palatable to Israel.  The Bush administration turned to the far-right wing of the Israel lobby, those who have not a shred of compassion for the Palestinians or a word of criticism for Israel.  These new Middle East experts include Elliott Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, the disgraced I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and David Wurmser.

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  Washington was once willing to stay Israel’s hand.  It intervened to thwart some of its most extreme violations of human rights.  This administration, however, has signed on for every disastrous Israeli blunder, from building the security barrier in the West Bank, to sealing off Gaza and triggering a humanitarian crisis, to the ruinous invasion and saturation bombing of Lebanon.

The few tepid attempts by the Bush White House to criticize Israeli actions have all ended in hasty and humiliating retreats in the face of Israeli pressure.  When the Israel Defense Forces in April 2002 reoccupied the West Bank, President Bush called on then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to “halt the incursions and begin withdrawal.”  It never happened.  After a week of heavy pressure from the Israel lobby and Israel’s allies in Congress, meaning just about everyone in Congress, the president gave up, calling Sharon “a man of peace.”  It was a humiliating moment for the United States, a clear sign of who pulled the strings.

There were several reasons for the war in Iraq.  The desire for American control of oil, the belief that Washington could build puppet states in the region, and a real, if misplaced, fear of Saddam Hussein played a part in the current disaster.  But it was also strongly shaped by the notion that what is good for Israel is good for the United States.  Israel wanted Iraq neutralized.  Israeli intelligence, in the lead-up to the war, gave faulty information to the U.S. about Iraq’s alleged arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.  And when Baghdad was taken in April 2003, the Israeli government immediately began to push for an attack on Syria.  The lust for this attack has waned, in no small part because the Americans don’t have enough troops to hang on in Iraq, much less launch a new occupation. 

Israel is currently lobbying the United States to launch aerial strikes on Iran, despite the debacle in Lebanon.  Israel’s iron determination to forcibly prevent a nuclear Iran makes it probable that before the end of the Bush administration an attack on Iran will take place.  The efforts to halt nuclear development through diplomatic means have failed.  It does not matter that Iran poses no threat to the United States.  It does not matter that it does not even pose a threat to Israel, which has several hundred nuclear weapons in its arsenal.  It matters only that Israel demands total military domination of the Middle East. 

The alliance between Israel and the United States has culminated after 50 years in direct U.S. military involvement in the Middle East.  This involvement, which is not furthering American interests, is unleashing a geopolitical nightmare.  American soldiers and Marines are dying in droves in a useless war.  The impotence of the United States in the face of Israeli pressure is complete.  The White House and the Congress have become, for perhaps the first time, a direct extension of Israeli interests.  There is no longer any debate within the United States.  This is evidenced by the obsequious nods to Israel by all the current presidential candidates with the exception of Dennis Kucinich.  The political cost for those who challenge Israel is too high. 

This means there will be no peaceful resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.  It means the incidents of Islamic terrorism against the U.S. and Israel will grow.  It means that American power and prestige are on a steep, irreversible decline.  And I fear it also means the ultimate end of the Jewish experiment in the Middle East. 

The weakening of the United States, economically and militarily, is giving rise to new centers of power.  The U.S. economy, mismanaged and drained by the Iraq war, is increasingly dependent on Chinese trade imports and on Chinese holdings of U.S. Treasury securities.  China holds dollar reserves worth $825 billion.  If Beijing decides to abandon the U.S. bond market, even in part, it would cause a free fall by the dollar.  It would lead to the collapse of the $7-trillion U.S. real estate market.  There would be a wave of U.S. bank failures and huge unemployment.  The growing dependence on China has been accompanied by aggressive work by the Chinese to build alliances with many of the world’s major exporters of oil, such as Iran, Nigeria, Sudan and Venezuela.  The Chinese are preparing for the looming worldwide clash over dwindling resources. 

The future is ominous.  Not only do Israel’s foreign policy objectives not coincide with American interests, they actively hurt them.  The growing belligerence in the Middle East, the calls for an attack against Iran, the collapse of the imperial project in Iraq have all given an opening, where there was none before, to America’s rivals.  It is not in Israel’s interests to ignite a regional conflict.  It is not in ours.  But those who have their hands on the wheel seem determined, in the name of freedom and democracy, to keep the American ship of state headed at breakneck speed into the cliffs before us.


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By lilmamzer, July 3, 2007 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

#83570 by GodSend:

Zionist! - indeed.

To get a true perspective of Zionist influence on America (and the rest of the world) and their agenda for humanity, go down this rabbit hole - if you dare (and have a lot of patience). 10+ MB of “Shock and Awe” await you.

http://novalight.org

Congrats, Chris Hedges.

The classic antisemitic libels found on the website above were posted because “GodSend” sees in you a kindred spirit and fellow traveler in the Jew-bashing, Holocaust-denying enterprise masquerading as anti-zionism.

Hedges - if you had any integrity, you would explain how and why you would distance yourself from the message of this “GodSend” instead of doing what you do now, which is attracting them like flies.

Hedges?

Hedges?

...sounds of crickets chirping…..

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By MOG, July 3, 2007 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
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We all need to quit using the term “jewish” and just stick to the terms “jew/jewess”——the term “jewish” implies SOMEwhat of a jew——or——
jew-like…a racial impossibility by jew laws.

I don’t make the jew laws——I just enforce them, and I refuse to capitalize the “j” in jew/jewess.

After all—-what is a rabbi——-but a rabbit——with the “t” dropped off…? Ever notice that the “” is really a CROSS…?

Symbolism, baby—-a major component of the jews’ efforts.

MOG

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By lilmamzer, July 3, 2007 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

#83570 by GodSend:

Zionist! - indeed.

To get a true perspective of Zionist influence on America (and the rest of the world) and their agenda for humanity, go down this rabbit hole - if you dare (and have a lot of patience). 10+ MB of “Shock and Awe” await you.

http://novalight.org</b>

Congrats, Chris Hedges.

The classic antisemitic libels found on the website above were posted because “GodSend” sees in you a kindred spirit and fellow traveler in the Jew-bashing, Holocaust-denying enterprise masquerading as anti-zionism.

Hedges - if you had any integrity, you would explain how and why you would distance yourself from the message of this “GodSend” instead of doing what you do now, which is attracting them like flies.

Hedges?

Hedges?

...sounds of crickets chirping…..

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By lilmamzer, July 3, 2007 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

#83546 by Elvis:

Can we declare independence from Chris Hedges? His message can be distilled into one sentence “Its the Jews fault”. Somehow this small group has subverted our national interest and makes us do things that are not in our interest.. Anti-semitism isnt very original. If Mr Hedges came out of the closet and admitted to being an anti-semite, I would have more respect for his opinions. Somehow people want the freedom to express anti-semitic sentiments but cringe at being labeled anti-semites. What gives?

What gives?

Chris Hedges is a chicken-shit.

I would have at least a shred of respect for him if he had the balls to come out and say the Jews just aren’t worthy of self-determination. Unlike, say, the “Palestinian Arabs”, who aren’t even a nation or a people with a culture distinct in any way from the Jordanians and Egyptians from whence they came.

At least David Duke plays the Israel-bashing game without being disingenuous regarding Jews. 

Hedges outs himself from that closet just by publishing crap like this screed. I wonder if he really thinks he’s still in it though.

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By GodSend, July 3, 2007 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

Zionist! - indeed.

To get a true perspective of Zionist influence on America (and the rest of the world) and their agenda for humanity, go down this rabbit hole - if you dare (and have a lot of patience). 10+ MB of “Shock and Awe” await you.

http://novalight.org

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By lilmamzer, July 3, 2007 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

#83549 by ender:

You go Mamzie! And learn to read at least as well as a ‘fringe leftist’

So you do kiss Hugo Chavez’s ass like Kucinich. Figures.
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Loss of citizenship (INA § 349, 8 USC § 1481)
Section 349 of the INA [8 USC § 1481] specifies several conditions under which US citizenship may be lost. These include:

becoming a naturalized citizen of another country, or declaring allegiance to another country, after reaching age 18

The key word is “may”. Not shall, or will, but may.

There is only a requirement for loss of US citizenship when the person in question intended to give up his or her citizenship. Congress amended the law in 1986 to require that loss of citizenship would result only when a potentially “expatriating” (citizenship-losing) action was performed with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality.

Furthermore, in 1990 the State Department adopted a new policy on dual citizenship, under which US citizens who perform one of the potentially expatriating acts listed above are normally presumed not to have done so with intent to give up US citizenship.

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By ender, July 3, 2007 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

You go Mamzie! And learn to read at least as well as a ‘fringe leftist’...

Loss of citizenship (INA § 349, 8 USC § 1481)
Section 349 of the INA [8 USC § 1481] specifies several conditions under which US citizenship may be lost. These include:

becoming a naturalized citizen of another country, or declaring allegiance to another country, after reaching age 18;

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By Elvis, July 3, 2007 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

Can we declare independence from Chris Hedges? His message can be distilled into one sentence “Its the Jews fault”. Somehow this small group has subverted our national interest and makes us do things that are not in our interest.. Anti-semitism isnt very original. If Mr Hedges came out of the closet and admitted to being an anti-semite, I would have more respect for his opinions. Somehow people want the freedom to express anti-semitic sentiments but cringe at being labeled anti-semites. What gives?

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By Inherit The Wind, July 3, 2007 at 11:44 am Link to this comment
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As to the topic at hand, does it matter to any of you that Israel’s people have the right to vote and determine their future?  Can anybody name an Islamic country that guarantees as many rights for even it’s Arab citizens that Israel offers?  You can’t, can you?

Oooo! oooh! I can! Pick Me! Pick Me!

Turkey! Turkey is a modern democracy, power changes hands. And it’s secular Moslem. Great country, nicest people in the world.

Oh, NOOOOO! I’m WRONG!  Turkey isn’t Arab—it’s Turkish.  Turks DESPISE Arabs and reserve their REAL venom for Palestinians.  Turkey abandoned the Arabic alphabet for the Roman one, and wants to be in the European Union.

Lebanon wants to be a democracy but Syria and Hezbollah (backed by Iran) make damn sure it can’t succeed—even murdering a Prime Minister or two.

How about Egypt?  Hosni Mubarrak is President—has been since Sadat was murdered—-in 1981!  Guess he’s real popular…...

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By cyrena, July 3, 2007 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

Jacob, on this post, I’ll only respond to the portion that you posed to me, though I’ve noticed other misinterpretation
•  To Cyrena:
“It would be nice if Cyrena can point to a single Muslim country which is a democracy. I presume that stoning women, public hangings, cutting the hand of a thief, forbidding women to drive or travel on their own, etc, etc, is indeed “compatible with democracy”…

What I told you was that in my own very comprehensive studies of the Middle East, with all of it’s political/social/cultural complexities, I have discovered that MOST of these Muslim nations, (not all, but most) have indeed been able to reconcile their basic traditions of ISLAM, with the concept of a democracy. I know this because the most widely held and practiced tenets of the Islamic faith, DO NOT accept these antiquated practices of stoning, or public hangings, or cutting off the fingers of thieves, Such practices are no more prevalent in the major populace of Islam than they are in the Mormons of Utah, or any other strange offshoot of Christian or other “sects”.

So, when I say that Islam is compatible with democracy, I mean that the tenets of Islam (as recognized and practiced by the majority of Muslims) is just as compatible with democracy as any other religion is. It is not up to you or any of the rest of us, to decide that “democracy” for them, means driving around on their own, if they don’t happen to want to.

Still, woman continue to be educated in these places, (at least until we destroyed their universities)and we might remember that things have changed, and modernity has come (albeit slowly) to this region that did for so long, remain stuck in time.

So, maybe you could update your concepts of what Islam actually is, and consider adopting a stance that really does define “democracy”, which is a by the people for the people type concept, which doesn’t have to include yours or my idea of what “our” democracy is, but what THEY decide it should be, based on their own culture and traditions. 

So, check out some of the very important and progressive people of these nations. Turkey is one that is indeed a democracy, and a very secular one at that, despite its Islamic roots. Iraq had many women in many professional capacities in the work force, before we made it a haven for extremism. Check the women’s’ groups of Iran. They have surely made more strides on the Human Rights front than Israel has, since I’ve just noticed 65 resolutions/citations issued against Israel for a variety of infractions of Int’l Law, mostly human rights violations. (that was just 195-1992)

Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia have also made improvements,  though it took a horribly bloody coup in Algeria, to finally fix it. So, while none of these places may satisfy your own technical version of a “democracy”, it’s a bit difficult to recognize Israel as being any more of a “democracy” in the technical sense, because it doesn’t have a Constitution, and the populace that democratically elects its leaders must not have the “democratic” ambition to demand that it’s leaders follow the laws, instead of behaving like a rouge state for the past 60 years.

That’s not to say that our “democracy” here in the U.S. is in any better shape, but that’s because we’ve been blind-sided since our government was high-jacked 6 years ago. Our own reputation has suffered severely within the global community because of it. But, at least we do have a Constitution, and we can plan on starting to use it again after we dump these mobsters.

Meantime, our country has no written agreements with Israel for all of the military and other support that we provide, so that can be shut down as well.

We can also shut down the billions that we have given to Pakistan since 2001, for the purposes of providing “security” against the terrorists, since they’ve only increased space for them to operate.

At this point, that’s a bigger concern than Muslim women driving.

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By ender, July 3, 2007 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=877394&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1

This is an article, along with a web thread, at the Website of Israelis most read/widely distributed newspaper.

Here in the US, we don’t even hear about this, and if we do it is relagated to a third tier rag like truthdig.

Whether you think Israel exhorts an inoridinate amount of control over US policy or not, the Israelis know it.

I don’t understand how Hedges can blast our support of Israel, and recognize their contribution to the rise in Islamic terrorism, but still not realize that Islam as taught be the Quran really does exhort muslims to take over the world in the name of Allah.

And oddly enough, “lefty”(unlikely, considering Israel is a Socialist state), can’t make the same connections, though he takes his propaganda from the opposite pole.

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By lilmamzer, July 3, 2007 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

#83451 by DetainThis:

“There is no longer any debate within the United States. This is evidenced by the obsequious nods to Israel by all the current presidential candidates with the exception of Dennis Kucinich.”

Ron Paul doesn’t exactly kiss right-wing zionist ass either.

So does Ron Paul kiss despotic far-left totalitarian human-rights-trampling ass (such as that appended to Hugo Chavez) like Kucinich does?

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By lilmamzer, July 3, 2007 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

#83457 by Jacob:

To Cyrena:
It would be nice if Cyrena can point to a single Muslim country which is a democracy. I presume that stoning women, public hangings, cutting the hand of a thief, forbidding women to drive or travel on their own, etc, etc, is indeed “compatible with democracy”

Interesting point but ultimately irrelevant because Jews had no part in what you are describing. And if Jews aren’t involved, there’s no point in posting a rant on Truthdig. Haven’t you heard? It’s all Israel’s fault, all the time.

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By lilmamzer, July 3, 2007 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

#83482 by ender:

So when are you denouncing your US citizenship and moving to Israel Jacob? We don’t recongize dual citizenship.

Depends on what you mean by “we”.

If the “we” you refer to is the fringe group of leftists whose views are so extreme that they mesh perfectly with those held by racists such as David Duke, then maybe not.

But my “we” is the United States of America, and we do recognize dual-citizenship.

The US State Department writes on its web site, “a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth — U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another.”

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By Ariela Lipton, July 3, 2007 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
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It is a little disheartening to read a one sided view from someone who, as a journalist, was supposed to report facts as they relate to both sides. While there is room for criticism about Israel, blind hatred and disgust are not the way to solve any problem. Shame on you Mr. Hedges.

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By missourigirl, July 3, 2007 at 9:45 am Link to this comment
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In short, here’s the past and the future concerning
Israel:  the Jews are still God’s chosen people,
always have been, always will be.  ALL nations will
go against Israel in the near future, and God will
fight for the Jews.  There will be many of them
killed, but the race will never be annihilated!
Get over it already!  Hitler is frying in hell this
very minute and he’ll never get out!

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By ender, July 3, 2007 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

So when are you denouncing your US citizenship and moving to Israel Jacob? We don’t recongize dual citizenship.  If Israel is more important to you than the US, STAND UP FOR YOUR BELIEFS, AND GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.

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By Gary Post, July 3, 2007 at 9:13 am Link to this comment
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Isn’t it absolutely amazing and telling that the Leftists are always quick to slander a democracy, and even quicker to side with an enemy?  It is also hilarious that those who preach against hate spew so much vitriol and hatred towards those who disagree with them.  Very tolerant, libs. 

As to the topic at hand, does it matter to any of you that Israel’s people have the right to vote and determine their future?  Can anybody name an Islamic country that guarantees as many rights for even it’s Arab citizens that Israel offers?  You can’t, can you?

The savages in the Islamic countries teach their six-year olds how to slit an Israeli’s throat.  They teach their children how to lie, cheat, steal and even murder in the name of a religion that is as bloodthirsty as the Nazi’s were.  Israel has had Nukes for decades now.  Have they used them, even in the face of a formidable attack?  No.  Do they indiscriminately kill civilians when hunting for terrorists?  No.  If they did, does anyone think there would be one Palestinian still alive?  Of course not.

You people are intellectual midgets, but that is only the beginning of your problems.  You are also moral cowards.  You will do anything to appease the wicked in hopes that he will not harm you.  By attacking the one speck of hope in the Middle East you enable those who (literally) still practice slavery and seek to forcibly convert the world to their idiot religion.  I won’t even comment on how women are treated by the savages, but you already know, don’t you?

It’s the fact that you know that brands you for what you are.  I don’t harbor any hatred towards you idiots for this.  I only hope you will wake up before you are complicit in destroying the only speck of freedom in that region.

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By lilmamzer, July 3, 2007 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

#83257 by jbart:

To Sentinal & lilmamzer…What? Nothing to say?

Don’t worry, I’ll be back soon to Fisk this screed. When you’re a bonafide zionist-racist-fascist like myself, there are only so many hours in the day to manipulate and deceive, but that’s what we do. Believe it or not, but this place is just not high on the list of targets, so you’ll just have to be patient, but I will grace these pages with a good Fisking. It won’t be hard. I actually expected more from Hedges. I’m disappointed he’s just churning out tired boilerplate crap, like serving up a wilted three-day-old salad.
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By lilmamzer, July 3, 2007 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

</b>#83257 by jbart:

To Sentinal & lilmamzer…What? Nothing to say?</b>

Don’t worry, I’ll be back soon to Fisk this screed. When you’re a bonafide zionist-racist-fascist like myself, there are only so many hours in the day to manipulate and deceive, but that’s what we do. Believe it or not, but this place is just not high on the list of targets, so you’ll just have to be patient, but I will grace these pages with a good Fisking. It won’t be hard. I actually expected more from Hedges. I’m disappointed he’s just churning out tired boilerplate crap, like serving up a wilted three-day-old salad.

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By Jacob, July 3, 2007 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

Non-Credo writes:

    “Israel effectively rules over all of the non-Jewish Palestinians in the occupied
territories, and these people can’t vote in Israeli elections. If a major portion of the population you lord it over can’t vote in your elections, then you are not a democracy.”
    Wrong again. The Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza vote in the elections of the Palestinian Authority. That is how the Hamas came to power.
    In Israel, all citizens have the right to vote and be elected, regardless of their gender, religion or ethnic origin - which is typical of any democracy.
    He also calls other people “Hacks”. To this one can only say: ”It takes one to know one”....

  To jbart:

  Try to remember that Israel has been in a state of war since its inception. It has absorbed millions of new immigrants. All that is behind the US decision to grant Israel financial help. Do not forget that ALL of the military US help (more than $2 billion) can be spent only in the US, thus providing jobs in the US.
    And, Isreal is NOT using the US help to   influnce your government. The US has many lobbying groups, from the Irish Americans, to the Cuban Americans, to the Jewish Americans and many, many others. All those grouops are engaged in legal activities. If you think that AIPAC is doing something ilegal, take them to court.
  I, for one, would like Israel to stop receiving the financilal aid from the US. I will be forever gratefull to the American people for the help and I hope it will happen sooner than later. And no, I will not call you an anti-Semite becauise I so not knopw you. People can be against the US providing any help to Israel without necessarily being anti-Semites.

To Tony Wicher:
      Tony “forgets” that Israel was founded following the UN decision to partition Mandatory Palestine into two independent states - one Palestinian-Arab and one Palestinian-Jewish. Israel was admitted as a member state of the UN in 1949 and is recognized by more than 150 countries, including the largest Arab country. The Israeli Dclaration iof Independence guarantees equal rights to all its citizens, regardless of their gender religion or ethnic origin.
  It is time that people remember that Zionism was the movement of national liberation of the Jewish people. Its main objectives were the establishment of the nation state of the Jewish people in the place of its origin, which became later known as Palestine, the revival of the ancient Hebrew language and bringing the majority of Jews to their nation-state. Zionism achieved it main objective in 1948 with the establishment of Israel. The Hebrew language is a living vibrant tongue, used in all spheres of life form the soccer field to the university research lab, and Israel today has the largest Jewish community in the world.
    From 1948, it is not Zionism that governs Israel. It is the democratically elected Israeli parliament which legislates the laws that govern the state.
   

  To Cyrena:
    It would be nice if Cyrena can point to a single Muslim country which is a democracy. I presume that stoning women, public hangings, cutting the hand of a thief, forbidding women to drive or travel on their own, etc, etc, is indeed “compatible with democracy”...

  To Robert:

  Robert should keep in mind that Israel had nothing to do with the Egypt Yemen war, nothing to do with Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait, nothing to do with the Iraq Iran war, nothing to do with the civil war in Algeria, etc, etc, etc..

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By Jacob, July 3, 2007 at 8:44 am Link to this comment

Ender’s post is typical for the ignorance of many Israel-bashers here. Israel was not founded in 1949 but in 1948. The UN voted on November 29,1947 to establish TWO independent states in Mandatory Palestine, one Palestinian-Arab and one Palestinian-Jewish. The Jews accepted the UN plan. The Arabs did not. One day after the UN vote, the Palestinian Arabs started a war of terror against the Palestinian Jewish community, which culminated with the invasion of the regular armies of five neighboring Arab states into the territory of the newly proclaimed state of Israel, on May 15 1948. 
    Israel won that war, which brought nothing but disaster to the Palestinian people and caused the refugee problem. Had the Arabs accepted the UN plan, their state would have been 59 y old today and there would not have been a single Palestinian refugee. Israel paid a very heavy price for the victory - 6,000 dead - a whole one percent of the total Jewish population at that time. To understand the magnitude of that loss, it is like the US lost 2.5 million soldiers in Vietnam.
  The British had nothing to do with the Palestinian refugee problem. It was the result of the short-sighted and hate-filed policy of their leaders in 1947/48. They started the war, thinking that they will easily defeat the Jewish army, which had no tanks, no heavy artillery and no fighter planes.
    And Tranjordan, whose army invaded Palestine in 1048, conquered what is now called the West Bank. And the number of the refugees was closer to 650,000 than to 800,000. And there is no “ocean” close to Israel. There is the Mediterranean sea.
It appears that Ender has to go back to school…

    To Kwagmyre:

    Try to remember where were the Hezbollah fighters before the war and where are they today. Before the war there was not a single soldier of the regular Lebanese army in the south. Today, they are deployed all over the South, along the Israeli border and the armed Hesbollah outposts are all gone. Add to that the thousands of UN soldiers deployed there and you will see that Hesbollah LOST the war.

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By DetainThis, July 3, 2007 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

There is no longer any debate within the United States. This is evidenced by the obsequious nods to Israel by all the current presidential candidates with the exception of Dennis Kucinich.

Ron Paul doesn’t exactly kiss right-wing zionist ass either.

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By Robert, July 3, 2007 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

ISRAEL’S SECRET WEAPON (SECRET NUCLEAR WEAPONS)

Here is a chance to see for the first time from BBC what Israel has been hiding for decades from the rest of the world.

BBC correspondent’s investigations, research, interviews and full details of this topic are outstanding.

Mordechai Vanunu, the Israeli whistle blower, deserves all the credit for his role in exposing Israel’s deadly “WMD’s” programs. Shimon Peres’s role and comments or lack of a credible response, just reveals how deceptive has the Israelis been all along.

Here is a chance to see all the details and to see what was the Israeli plane carrying when it crashed in the Netherlands. Listen to the lies & deceptions that Israel has been utilizing to cover-up (for six years) this plane crash incident & its other WMD programs.

All who are concerned about WMD’s & what Israel has been deceptively hiding from the world…here is the TRUTH from the BBC documentary report.

This 45 minute BBC video report has not been aired on our mainstream news industry. It was aired on the independent LINK TV out of California.

http://video.google.com/videohosted?docid=-234685330662058240&q=israel+secret+weapon&total=107&start=08&num=10&so=0&so=o&type=search&plindex=1

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By Pein Tellus, July 3, 2007 at 7:39 am Link to this comment
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A great report by a great writer. I would not have bothered to read the article had I not seen that
it was written by a former reporter of the NY Times. People are controlled by the careful management
and manipulation of the information they receive and the NY Times is an expert at it.
  In 1700s, the French philosopher Condorcet reasoned that the gullibility and stupidity of the vast majority of the population would enable a cunning minority to indoctrinate them at will and so create an elite oligarchy behind a ‘democratic front.’ In 1922, Walter Lippman articulated his belief that the best way to govern a large diverse country such as the U.S. is through an elite alliance of qualified ‘experts’ who would direct America’s national and international affairs. These educated experts, located in Washington and various institutions - think tanks, enterprise institutes, university institutes, etc. located around the country would produce articles and opinions for America’s politicians and officials to follow.
They would work directly with the mass media to ensure that America was governed intelligently since
they realized that they could not depend on the majority of America’s politicians to be intelligent enough to govern the country skillfully.  The naive public would play an inactive, onlookers role and vote for
the candidates the elite alliance produced through selection of the fittest for them. The “fittest” would be those most aligned and cooperative with the power elite.
  In 1972 Senator William Fulbright declared that the United States was “subservient” to Israel and bore “a very great share of the responsibility for the continuation of Middle East violence.” Fulbright added that “The Israelis control politics in Congress and in the Senate” - i.e., in America. For daring to speak out and tell the truth to the American public, Jewish Americans voted together to vote Fulbright out of the Senate.  In confirming that AIPAC was responsible for Fulbright’s defeat at the polls, a former head of AIPAC bragged: “The Jews in America gathered to oust Senator Charles Percy and the (other) American politicians got the message.”  AIPAC also organized to oust Congressman Paul Findley who had also dared to speak out about the inordinate power of the Israeli Lobby and the omnipotent control they had over America and the lives of its citizens.
  In March, 1999 the House of Representatives passed a resolution opposing a unilateral
declaration of Palestinian statehood. The 379-24 vote was nearly unanimous came several days after
the Senate passed the same resolution. That same year Pope John II remarked that “the human race
is facing forms of slavery which are new and more subtle than those of the past.”
  As Franz Boas said: “All that man can do for humanity is to further the truth, whether it be sweet
or bitter.”  However, the truth that frees men is for the most part, the truth which the power-elite dislike and work to avoid at all cost. All of our politicians, dependent as they are on the
power-elite for campaign contributions, their livelihood and careers, speak only about the issues that the power elite will tolerate at that particular time.  As Fulbright, Finkelstein, Findley and hundreds of other decent, courageous Americans have found out, delivering an important truth to the carefully managed American public concerning their nation and their freedom can be a risky, hazardous matter. For the power-elite, working together, effectively control the government and through the government, the citizens. The government can do virtually anything it wants to anyone anywhere in the world for the well-being of the Republic (for which we stand).

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By jbart, July 3, 2007 at 5:30 am Link to this comment
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Lefty,
Your brilliant utilization of the tool of sarcasm is to be applauded, with your use of “measured” and “humane” notwithstanding. But, perhaps you should have included the “humanity” of Mossad and, the objectivity of guys like Lieberman in your excellent comment(s). Thanks for making me smile. With what’s been going on lately in our country, I appreciate it.

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By Paul Calem, July 3, 2007 at 4:48 am Link to this comment
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It’s Saudi Arabia we depend on, you Jew-hating morons, not Israel.

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By republicansscareme, July 3, 2007 at 4:12 am Link to this comment
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Intelligent and peaceful Jews need to express their concern and disagreement with the Zionists among them. 

I am not against Jews having influence and power as long as they exersize it fairly fairly. But grabbing control of America to enforce their personal and pro-Israeli agendas amounts to treason.  The disgrace visited upon America by the Neo-Cons, Zionists and Christain Fundamentalists would make you think these people would either resign, leave the country, or blow their brains out. These thugs turned our fine men and women in the military into a pack of $5 dollar brutes at Abu Grab Prison.  These men should actually be hanged.

Take an oath to one country, not two or more. No dual-citizenship.

Disengage the American and Israeli militaries, which were recently merged, when no one was looking.

Recognize that, as of now, Zionism resembles Nazism. That is true in Israel now and if they have their way, the Zionists will have it that way here in America.

No one wants a Jewish-Nazi America.

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By weather, July 3, 2007 at 3:51 am Link to this comment

Ah Israel, what a lovely little zip code.

Here’s a country on the World’s stage w/WMD, its manipulating hands all over our wallet and the emotional development of a very sneaky and snotty little brat that has no friends and doesn’t care why?

“show me who you walk with and I will you what you are”. Its no small wonder that today as a country America suffers from low self-esteem.

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By Sepharad, July 3, 2007 at 12:49 am Link to this comment
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Cyrena, nothing that you writereveals any particularly deep knowledge on your part. Israel’s history did not begin in 1948. The Romans did their best but were not able to kill or banish ALL Jews from Israel (which the Romans renamed “Palestine”—Latin for the Jew’s old enemies the Philistines—just to irritate the Jews). Many Jews remained, some as shepherds and other rural occupations, others more interested in studying Torah. Jews inside Jerusalem fought side by side with the Saracens and were slaughtered like the Saracens when the Crusaders took Jerusalem. The blood that ran as deep as a horse’s knees in Jerusalem streets was Jewish as well as Saracen. When Salah-ah-Din retook Jerusalem (accompanied by his Jewish physician Maimonides), he sent messengers to bring back Diaspora Jews and rebuilt synagogues in Jerusalem for them. In the Islamic Golden Age, Jews lived in Israel, Spain and the Arab countries and were tolerated but only as second-class citizens—i.e., dhimmihood. (No Muslim rulers were as tolerant as Sal-ah-Din, but then he was a Kurd and not an Arab, which may have made the difference.)_ Elsewhere, harsh Christian discrimination was also becoming unbearable. So many sought a better life and religious freedom, migrating back to Jerusalem, and many to the New World with the traders and conquistadors. Back in 1844, there were literally more Jews than Arabs in Jerusalem. An English Jew, Mr. Montefiore, financed purchase of land from Palestinian and Ottoman landlords, a practice the Jewish National Fund continued later in that century with the formal beginnings of Zionism. In the 1880s, English novelist George Eliot wrote the novel Daniel DeRonda based on conversations with a rabbi friend who had returned from the Holy Land in 1874 to report on the agricultural settlements as well as the scholarly activity in Jerusalem, and bring more English Jews back to Jerusalem with him. Other Jews fled Europe and Russia and (like my forebears) returned to Palestine. The Arab population greatly increased after the Zionists had improved the agricultural situation, and more Arabs arrived after the British took over the Palestine Mandate from the Ottomans.

This stuff is all in the books. Much data and records are available in both British archives and also the Ottoman archives, if you only trust non-Jewish-recorded history. (If you only trust Arab versions, you’re being misled. Don’t believe me? Find a copy of Ibn Khaldun’s Muqaddima. He explored and wrote first hand accounts of the Arab world and peoples. He expressed a rather low opinion of Arab veracity, and explains himself.)

Lefty, Jacob, Inherit the Wind, lilmamzer—thanks for taking the time to keep responding to the anti-Semites, who understand neither Israel’s essence nor its situation, not even the expansionist nature of Islam. We Israelis criticize ourselves constantly, but most anti-Semites who criticize Israel do nothing concrete and useful to help the Palestinians—like helping establish scholarships to Israeli universities, and seeing that Arab children in the territories receive education in math, science, reading, and other skills that enable a better future than that of a suicide bomber.

Naitpygesawtafara, thanks for agreeing with my earlier comments, and for your ability to pity the people who are so busy hating Israel. I wish I could feel sorry for them too, but they’re too dangerous: if not raving anti-Semites, at best they’re people love to weep soft tears over Anne Frank, but feel threatened by Jews such as Israelis who are not willing to die and will fight to the last man, woman and child for a state that will never turn on its Jews.

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By Robert, July 2, 2007 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment

ISRAEL’S IDF “HUMAN SHIELD”

IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS. EVEN WITH A THOUSAND WORDS, HOW CAN ONE DESCRIBE THE LOOK IN THE EYES OF A 13 YEAR OLD PALESTINIAN BOY BEING USED BY ISRAEL’S IDF AS A “HUMAN SHIELD” ?

THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THAT THERE ARE SOME STORIES & TRUTH THAT CAN ONLY BE TOLD WITH PICTURES.

Take a look & read the TRUTH of this story:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=1018

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By cyrena, July 2, 2007 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment

#83335 by Tony Wicher on 7/02 at 8:26 pm

THANKS Tony!!!

I’ve been getting pretty sick and tired of this myself. It’s gotten old, and in fact it IS creating a blowback, if only because of this very propaganda. Nobody can put up with being accused, (especially on some ethical or ideological ground)of something they are NOT. It’s like accusing somebody of “thinking” something they aren’t “thinking” at all, and doing that has generated all of the negative results that smear tactics ALWAYS have in the end.

....“Every effort is being made by Jewish organizations to prevent any debate on the issue - other than on the Internet, that is - and their main tactic is to smear opponents of Zionism as anti-Semitic. This tactic is going to backfire, and it is actually starting to make people anti-Semitic. You insist on identifying being anti-Zionist with being anti-Semitic, and you insist upon being obtuse about the distinction, no matter how many times and how plainly it is drawn for you. That is a smear tactic.”...

....“But those of us who object to Zionism on human rights grounds, including Jews of the highest intellectual distinction, know who we are, and regard being called anti-Semitic an insult and a deliberate lie.”.....

Nope, we don’t like it one damn bit. And, it’s unhelpful to the cause of Israel as well, when people who don’t know the difference between them, automatically start connecting the “Zionist” mentality with ALL Jews or Semites.

It creates conflict and confusion in the global “body populace” not to mention here at home, and that somehow seems to be the point of all these smear tactics. To confuse with “false information”.

It’s despicable.

So now, you all are notice, not to try that stuff around here anymore.

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#83315 by Robert on 7/02 at 7:16 pm

Thanks for this Robert. I’ve since found the other one that got away from me. It’s especially handy for people who need “visual learning aids”. (I think all of these numbers have just become so much of just that, that somehow folks have a difficult time understanding what this really IS).

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By Tony Wicher, July 2, 2007 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment

#83255 by Inherit The Wind on 7/02 at 4:25 pm
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“I’m damn sick of the anti-semites here somehow thinking our government, even when it’s run by this colossal asshole, Bush, is somehow magically under Israel’s thumb, when, if in one second it was NOT in the US’s best interest, we’d turn away.”

ITW,

The trouble is that this colossal assohole, Bush, is doing things which are NOT is “the US’s best interest”, which is why I hope both he and Cheney are about to get impeached, and why I hope the American people will turn away from militarism and imperialism and back to democracy. Breaking the current alliance with Israel is critical to accomplish this. They go together. The way to end terrorism is to address the injustice being done to the Palestinians. This CANNOT BE DONE within the framework of Zionism.

There is no doubt at all that Jewish people in America are influential out of proportion to their numbers, and that their identification with Israel is skewing American policy toward support of Israel. Every effort is being made by Jewish organizations to prevent any debate on the issue - other than on the Internet, that is - and their main tactic is to smear opponents of Zionism as anti-Semitic. This tactic is going to backfire, and it is actually starting to make people anti-Semitic. You insist on identifying being anti-Zionist with being anti-Semitic, and you insist upon being obtuse about the distinction, no matter how many times and how plainly it is drawn for you. That is a smear tactic. But those of us who object to Zionism on human rights grounds, including Jews of the highest intellectual distinction, know who we are, and regard being called anti-Semitic an insult and a deliberate lie. Jews of conscience will defend their non-Jewish friends from such scurillious charges, which are of the very same type that Nazis level at Jews.

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By 911truthdotorg, July 2, 2007 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

The evil Nazi monster Chertoff has dual citizenship:

US and Israeli

They’re starting the buildup of lies for their second fake terror attack and martial law:

Official Cites Resemblance to Warnings and Intelligence Before 9/11

By BRIAN ROSS, RHONDA SCHWARTZ and RICHARD ESPOSITO

July 1, 2007 — A secret U.S. law enforcement report, prepared for the Department
of Homeland Security, warns that al Qaeda is planning a terror “spectacular”
this summer, according to a senior official with access to the document.

“This is reminiscent of the warnings and intelligence we were getting in the
summer of 2001,” the official told ABCNews.com.

U.S. officials have kept the information secret, and Homeland Security Secretary
Michael Chertoff said today on ABC News’ “This Week with George Stephanopoulos”
that the United States did not have “have any specific credible evidence that
there’s an attack focused on the United States at this point.”

As ABCNews.com reported, U.S. law enforcement officials received intelligence
reports two weeks ago warning of terror attacks in Glasgow and Prague, the Czech
Republic, against “airport infrastructure and aircraft.”

The warnings apparently never reached officials in Scotland, who said this
weekend they had received “no advance intelligence” that Glasgow might be a
target.

Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff declined to comment specifically on on the
report today, but said “everything that we get is shared virtually
instantaneously with our counterparts in Britain and vice versa.”

Unlike the United States, officials in Germany have publicly warned that the
country could face a major attack this summer, also comparing the situation to
the pre-9/11 summer of 2001.

Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, America: Freedom to Fascism

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By greenback, July 2, 2007 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment
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It’s time to end Apartheid! Stop funding Israel’s racist policies and give the good and decent people of Israel an oppurtunity to take control of their country. So many Jews in Israel have the same trouble we have here in the US: our respective governments have been hijacked by racist war mongering international business men with no care for mankind. Boycott Israel and rid the world of a monster regime.

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By samuel burke, July 2, 2007 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you chris hedges!!!

I used to be a blind supporter and believer of israel…like most christians who once bought the zionist bs…i no longer support the zionist and find myself siding with the muslim arabs against the israeli zionist….and to say nothing about my feelings for the american zionist jews….aipac and the oppression of our elected leaders and the complicity of the american cowardly press….thank God for the internet and antiwar.com and truthdig.com….....i can now share these sites with my friends so they can also become informed about zionisms lies, aipacs offenses against our elected coward officials,....the u.s liberty is another classic story of israels friendship to america…jewsagainstzionism.com is another classic website where one can cut their teeth on zionist misdeeds against its own people…

all in all this issue needs to go mainstream, and i pass it on to everyone who is willing to hear…

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By Robert, July 2, 2007 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

Comment #83294 by Cyrena on 7/2 at 6:01 pm

Statistics

“The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the world’s major sources of instability. Americans are directly connected to this conflict, and increasingly imperiled by its devastation.

It is the goal of If Americans Knew to provide full and accurate information on this critical issue, and on our power – and duty – to bring a resolution.

Below are charts of nine little-known statistics.

Please click on any statistic for the source and more information.

Statistics Last Updated: June 26, 2007

Israeli and Palestinian Children Killed Since September 29, 2000

118 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 946 Palestinian children have been

killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000. (View Source)
 
Israelis and Palestinians Killed Since September 29, 2000

1,023 Israelis and at least 4,160 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000. (View Source)

Israelis and Palestinians Injured Since September 29, 2000

7,633 Israelis and 31,403 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000. (View Source)”

http://www.ifamericansknew.com

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By Inherit The Wind, July 2, 2007 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment
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” Tony, this pretty much wraps it up very neatly.

.....“Zionism is not compatible with universal principles of democracy and human rights. The founding of the state of Israel involved a crime against humanity which has never been acknowledged by its perpetrators. As long as these facts are not addressed, there will never be peace in Israel or in the world. As long as the United States supports Israel in this injustice, it will be a target of terrorism.”..... “

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But of course the dictators of Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Sudan, Libya and Tunisia (not to mention Hamas, Hezbollah and that old fav, Al Qaeda ARE “compatible with universal principles of democracy and human rights.”

Right, gang?

Admit it: You just HATE those nasty, pushy, entrepreneurial, agressive, argumentative Jews, especially now, after 2000 years, they can fight back effectively.  You don’t give two shits about the plight of the Palestinian people, because if you did, you’d also care about the peoples being oppressed by all the dictators in Arab states.  It’s just a big, phony coverup so you can get back to that good old pasttime, hating Jews.  But whatever you do, DON’T say “Jews” because your racism will be obvious and will connect you to closely and overtly to the Holocaust.  Say, instead “Zionists” so it sounds political rather than racist, and when the 2nd Holocaust starts, you can say “but we didn’t KNOW they hated all the Jews. We thought they just wanted freedom.”

The worst thing thing the world can do in the middle east is give in to Arab Moslem pressure and become co-conspirators in the plot to murder all the Jews Hitler spared.

READ THE DAMN CHARTERS OF ORGANIZATIONS LIKE HAMAS!

Hitler said he was going to kill all the Jews in Mein Kampf.  Hamas says the same damn thing!  You didn’t believe Hitler. Why don’t you believe Hamas?

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By Kwagmyre, July 2, 2007 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment
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From Jacob #83194….....

“The arms from the US were important but Israel won the war because of the quality of its soldiers.”

“Quality” you say?  Well if that’s the case, their ignominious failure in Israel’s invasion into Lebanon last year was a true testament to their current weakness, at least against Hezbollah.  And if they complained about not being armed so well, what does that say for all that American $$$$ that’s supposed to make them such “quality” warriors?

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By naitpygesawtafara, July 2, 2007 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment
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I agree 100% with Sepharad. I feel sorry for all of you who believe Israel is to blame for all the worlds problems…sounds a lot like sentiment about Jews before 1948.

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By cyrena, July 2, 2007 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

#83271 by Tony Wicher on 7/02 at 4:58 pm

Tony, this pretty much wraps it up very neatly.

.....“Zionism is not compatible with universal principles of democracy and human rights. The founding of the state of Israel involved a crime against humanity which has never been acknowledged by its perpetrators. As long as these facts are not addressed, there will never be peace in Israel or in the world. As long as the United States supports Israel in this injustice, it will be a target of terrorism.”.....

This is the bottom line. There is no compatibility. All of this discussion and research I’ve been doing on the compatibility of democracy with Islam, has provided this cruel irony. In reality, Islam is turning out to be far more compatible with “democracy” than Israel has EVER been, and even more compatible with “democracy” than Christianty has become lately.

Islam is moving, (albeit slowly) to embrace human rights, while we just keep moving further and further away from that, as well as our own originally agreed upon ideas of it, as embodied in the Constitution.

So, that’s where we’re at, and it’s looking worse everyday. Reading the news is like torture these days.

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By cyrena, July 2, 2007 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

Can Louise or anybody else help me find my way back to the post/link that you posted earlier, on if Americans Knew? It’s the one with the media analysis and charts.

I found it, rejoiced at the information, (for serious people) and now I can’t find it again.

Too lazy to go through all of the posts again.

Help if you can.

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By cyrena, July 2, 2007 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

ITW…I’m curious as to why YOU’RE curious about the “American” flag burning in the photo. I’d say that it’s the perfect compliment to the seriousness of the article. Maybe you didn’t notice the Israeli flag burning as well? The caption describes it, even if you missed that part of the photo.

So, why do you find it “curious”? Makes perfect sense to me. Israel has been an enemy to these horrifically disenfranchised people for 60 years, and everybody keeps acting so amazed that they are actually fighting back against their total destruction.

Doesn’t this show that the Palestinians (and all other members of the Arab Middle East)have figured out long ago, that the US and Israel are one and the same, at least in the shared interest of destroying the Middle East, and gaining access to all of the resources that didn’t come with the original gift of land?

And, I think the point of the article, (as Thomas already mentioned) was simply to make more ignorant Americans understand that this willingness to continue doing the bidding of Israel, has never been, and can never be, to the greater interests of the American people. It doesn’t even help the ordinary Israeli citizen. All it does, is make us all more prone to global terror. (which has increased 700% since george launched his “war” on it).
And, seeing as how this is taking place however many thousands of miles “outside” of America, half-way across the world, why should we be so upset about what they do to an American flag? I mean aside from the fact that one of our many coffins might not have one to cover our kids and spouses and parents, and siblings, as they are shipped home in the bellies of air freight carriers? They just have to put some more presssure on CHINA, to manufacture more of our flags for us.

That should be easy enough.

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By homovivens, July 2, 2007 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

Thank you, Chris Hedges, for your courageous illumination of the unjust, prejudicial policies that underlie the dark ages of Israel’s ruthless hegemony in the Middle East, underwritten by the USA, the Dr. Kevorkian of this region’s internecine politics of assisted-suicide.

AIPAC, the tail wagging the dog, must not be allowed to continue to muzzle the political voices from whence the uncommon and just peace proposals must come and from whom we, the people, must demand them. All the unheard voices of the Middle Eastern peoples must be called to this conversation. The West has done little but suck power and resources from the Mideast through the manipulation of puppet governments; the West’s inhumanity to the oil-rich Mideast has known no bounds and no boundaries sovereign.

Mr. Hedges, as in your debate with Sam Harris, you show yourself to be a deeply human, intellectual, moral force.

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By Tony Wicher, July 2, 2007 at 5:58 pm Link to this comment

Solving the Israel/Palestine conflict is the key to Middle East and world peace. The key to solving this conflict is the U.S.-Israel alliance. Israel cannot continue to defy world opinion and international law without U.S. support. This is the key to a new U.S. peace initiative. The U.S. must oppose Israeli apartheid throughout Israel and support a boycott until Israel agrees to become a democracy, that is, a country of all persons residing within its borders, where all human beings, Jew and non-Jew, are equal before the law.

Zionism is not compatible with universal principles of democracy and human rights. The founding of the state of Israel involved a crime against humanity which has never been acknowledged by its perpetrators. As long as these facts are not addressed, there will never be peace in Israel or in the world. As long as the United States supports Israel in this injustice, it will be a target of terrorism.

The real religious Zion of Judaism is a world in which the lion lies down with the lamb, in which the nations and the peoples of the world beat their swords into plowshares and live together in peace. The Zion of Israel as we know it is the very opposite. It is a world of never-ending conflict, where Jews and non-Jews must battle each other forever. Only when the false Zionism ends can the true Zion of peace and universal brotherhood emerge.

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By jbart, July 2, 2007 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment
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To Sentinal & lilmamzer…What? Nothing to say?
To Inherit the wind….You’re reading in a “slanted” fashion. Put your “objective” hat on and try again.
To Lefty UR right. But Judaism & Christianity are ALSO Bronze age campfire stories, not just Islam.
To my favourite, so far at least..JACOB…If the Israelis are as successful in creating and inventing new ideas/systems/products and the advancement of their financial infrastruture (which I have not doubt as to the validity of the claims made)I’m left with a few incongruities in perceiving the whole picture. I hope you can help me understand a few things.
#1- Why do they need all of that U.S. foriegn aid? With all of the successes you identify perhaps they could send some aid here, to the U.S.A.? Or, at least, tell us they no longer need the significant financial assistance?
#2- If they’re so successful financially, why would they spend all those $‘s,through AIPAC, to influence our gov’t process and legislative agenda(s)?
Jacob, please be “honest” when you answer the next question. At the risk of being “unjustly labeled an anti-semite” (oh, the horror of that tag!!)Why does such a well-to-do economy need America for? I’m certain that you, as an obviously astute individual, understand what $ brings with it. Power & influence. So, I pose the following solution to Israel….USE YOUR OWN MONEY IF YOU WANT TO INFLUENCE OUR GOV’T !! To use our money, against the best interests of OUR country, is not only wrong, it’s against all tenets of religion. You know the rap…morals, ethics, values, etc. Or aren’t Jews holding those things to be part of living in society? So, instead of employing the worn out anti-semetic label for me, try a new one. Another sucker sees it all for what it REALLY is. Shit !!

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By Inherit The Wind, July 2, 2007 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment
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“ender on 7/02 at 4:05 pm
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Lefty and Josh.  Please renounce your US citizenship and hop on the next flight to Tel Aviv.  If you place Israel’s interest above that of the US you are a traitor.  Leave. “

BTW, in case you didn’t look at the picture—your “heroes” are burning our flag.  Maybe you’d better re-assess who is betraying America here.

I’m damn sick of the anti-semites here somehow thinking our government, even when it’s run by this colossal asshole, Bush, is somehow magically under Israel’s thumb, when, if in one second it was NOT in the US’s best interest, we’d turn away.

Maybe all you hate-filled $**theads are have so much of the brown stuff instead of brains that you cannot see the obvious:
1) Bush is in the Saudis’ pocket and the Saudis hate Israel.
2) Despite that, Isreal still is in our best interest or we’d drop them in a New York minute.

But you fascists are so full of hate you think every Jew (Whoops! “Zionist”—codeword) has a magical, ie demonic ability to force our policy against our best interests…unlike, of course, the Cubans in Miami….

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By cyrena, July 2, 2007 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment

Non Credo,

You’ve been right all along, and it’s all been for Israel. All of the dying, all of the killing, and all of the destruction. All of this misery, because for 60 years, no body has wanted to say “no” to Israel, or to say “STOP” like we would to anybody else breaking the highest laws of the land.

And, Chris makes it clear as well. All of this committment of our resources to Israel, all of our blood to fight their wars, all of the Arab population of the entire Middle East…everybody has had to pay such a huge price, and not a thing is on paper. We never even get a receipt. Just dead bodies returning home under cover of darkness, and an entire region of dead Arabs scattered across the desert.

That’s not to mention the thousands upon thousands of wounded on both sides, here, there, and all of the orphans.

Just what they wanted.

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By ender, July 2, 2007 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment

Lefty and Josh.  Please renounce your US citizenship and hop on the next flight to Tel Aviv.  If you place Israel’s interest above that of the US you are a traitor.  Leave.

When the UN declared the ‘state of Israel’ in ‘49, the British, who along with us were controling the area after WWII, displaced 800,000 persons from what is now Israel and moved them to the part of TransJordan that is now called Palestine.  800,000 Muslims, Christians and Druze that had ancestral homelands going back for hundreds of years.  I have a personal friend whose Christian family was one of those forced out.

Immediately, the new Israeli gov’t began settling armed enclaves outside of the new ‘state’, in areas they wanted to control because of access to water for irragation, or access to the ocean.  These settlers used terror against the inhabitants just as viscious as those used by modern muslims against Israel.  Israel started the first war, to keep access to the Red Sea, through a piece of land that belonged to Egypt.  They didn’t try to negotiate.  They wanted a war so they could claim the spoils of victory.

Islam is a nasty little tribal religion, but no more so than Judaism.  I respect the Israelis tenacity, but that is not a reason to put my nation at risk from terrorist, nor to support their land grabs and nationalism with my tax dollars, or the lives of my son or daughter.  They at least owe reparations for the land of those displaced by the creation of their state, and to return the resources to the Palestinians to farm and the land passes to transport trade goods across the refugee camp they were forced into from the beginning.

That said, the people of Palestine need to practise a little birth control. They average 6.5 children per family and are now 8,000,000 in a land that couldn’t support 1,000,000 without the massive shipments of international aid they live on.

All of that is their problem.

Not mine, and not the United States.  If you think it is, your are in the wrong country.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 2, 2007 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment
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Weren’t those the same guys who went to the holocaust denial conference in Teheran and rubbed shoulders with people who STILL advocate bringing back the Nazis?

Shows how being isolated with your nose in a religous book can bring you to the point of absurdity.

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By lester, July 2, 2007 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment
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Kucinich is not alone, you are forgetting texas congressman and GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul, who goes far beyond anyone else in asserting US independence in foreign matters.

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By Sepharad, July 2, 2007 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment
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Wow: the “declaration-of-independence-from-israel” piece really pulled anti-Israel bigots out of their holes! Just a few of many errors:
 
1)Israel sat out the first Gulf war in the early ‘90s because the U.S. asked them to. Israel wanted to respond to Saddam’s Scuds, but the America said “stand down” to avoid further inflaming the Arab street.

2)Israel did NOT encourage Bush the Younger to invade Iraq. Sharon told Bush it was a bad idea that would create chaos in the region, and futhermore their own intelligence suggested that Saddam’s WMDs had long since been moved into Syria. Beyond private persuasion, Sharon felt it impolitic to publicly oppose an important ally.

(In my opinion, Sharon SHOULD have gone public. The invasion focused American resources away from more productive counter-terrorism actions. To me, the only justification for the Iraq war was to relieve the Kurds and the Shiia of brutal treatment by Saddam as a result of American urgings for uprisings after the first Gulf War and, in doing so, demonstrate that Americans hold Moslem blood as dearly as anyone else’s, that in fact America would risk blood and treasure to save Moslem lives. Alas, the botched conduct of the war defeated its only moral purpose.) 
   
3)America pressured Israel to desist and decamp over their ‘56 run into Egypt as far as the Suez Canal after Nasser closed the Straits of Tiran, boxing Israel in. Britain and France, seeking access to the canal, wanted to regain it. They asked Israel to cross the Sinai as far as the canal, where they would join them and force Nasser to back off. The British and French never showed up. America ordered Israel to go home.  Nasser concluded that the U.S. was a poor ally who would desert her friends when convenient.

American is NOT always a staunch supporter of Israel because Israel has no oil and the Arabs do—a major factor in addition to the bias of the upper-class Arabists in the U.S. State Department c.late ‘40s,‘50s and ‘60s. 

*If it were not for the Czechoslovakians, who provided weapons at the very last minute when the Israelis were running out of ammunition in the ‘48 war, the Arabs would have driven the Jews into the sea. America, like Europe, sat that out.

*The CIA works against Israeli interests to oblige more important allies or to protect American interests and tourists from attacks abroad (e.g., by helping the Red Prince, Ali Salameh, evade Mossad assassination attempts).

*The West abandoned Israel to its fate in the Yom Kippur ‘73 war, which Israel came close to losing.

*More recently, the West condemns Israel for civilian deaths in southern Lebanon but ignores Hezbollah attacks launched amidst civilian populations, simultaneously drawing Israeli fire and using those civilians as human shields. Hezbollah also deliberately targeted Israeli civilians. Same thing applies with Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aksa, and other martyr-making operations.
 
Israel is not perfect, but under existential siege, her responses and strategies are more benign than most countries under attack would devise, and democratic minority protections remain in place. Israel has excellent intelligence sources to offer, and produces scientists whose work—e.g., University of Tel Aviv’s Becca Solomon who has discovered what sounds like a cure for Alzheimer’s—benefits the whole world. Despite everything, many Israelis still work toward peace and a second-state solution. Israeli-Arabs vote, teach in Israeli universities, are represented in the Knesset and join the IDF if they want to. All this makes Israel a beacon of hope and democracy for some—and a target for others. Trust me: if Israel’s society mirrored the small ruling class/huge poor class pattern of most Arab states, the Hebrew language being the only difference, Israel would be denounced but safely ignored.

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By nefertiti, July 2, 2007 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/20070619/1.jpg

I liked this photo .

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By Jacob, July 2, 2007 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges, a well known Israel basher, is crying his heart out because the US recognized Israel just 11 minutes after its founding. And, of course, Israel is to blame for the war in Iraq, and of course it is pushing for an attack on Iran (Of course Hedges means that Israel is giving orders to the US…). How nice that Hedges did not blame Israel for ..Katrina…
  It is obvious that Hedges, together with such “progressive” movements like Hamas and Hizbollah would like very much that Israel disappears. And just like them, he can continue dreaming…
  And he has to be reminded that 9/11 was done because Al-Qaeda objected to     US soldiers on the “holy Saudi territory”. It had nothing to do with Israel. 
  And, it is obvious that Hedges wants to minimize Israel’s remarkable victory in the 1973 war, which is its greatest victory. The arms from the US were important but Israel won the war because of the quality of its soldiers.
  And, Hedges “forgot” that the Arab terror against Israel started long before the Six Day War.
  And the bombing of the USS Liberty weas INDEED an accident. It had no business being so close to the shore when a war is raging. Only people like Hedges, with a visceral hate to Isreal can think that it was done on purpose.
    As for Israel’s success in scientific development, here are a few items Hedges will “like” very much:
    The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.
    Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.
    Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
    The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.
    Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the U.S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).
    On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.
    Israel has the world’s second highest per capita of new books.
    Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
    Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.
    An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.
    Israel’s Givun Imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, cancer and digestive disorders.
    Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. 
    Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.
  All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other county on earth.
  All that will give Hedges enough reasons to eat his heart out…

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By P. T., July 2, 2007 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

THE U.S. IS THE PROBLEM !!!

The U.S. finances the Israeli occupation.  Otherwise, Israel would have to end it.  Both countries believe that with enough force, Arabs and Muslims can be subdued.  Lately, it has not been working so well though.

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By Ed Barry, July 2, 2007 at 11:53 am Link to this comment
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Note to Lefty:

Thank you for bringing truth into the discussion, but reaching people infected with a certain form of blind hatred is impossible.

Hedges condemns Israel’s security barrier as though they built it just to be mean, as though terrorism doesn’t exist.

It’s sad when we’ve reached a point where “progressives” like Juan Cole and Eric Margolis turn up at DavidDuke.com on an almost daily basis, due to “shared interests.”

Take heart—the haters are loud, but few in number.

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By felicity, July 2, 2007 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

Remember the Iran/Contra Affair, judged a crime by Congress resulting in the American criminals involved getting it in the neck - Weinberger, MacFarlane and four other government officials?

That little deal, selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras, was not only brokered by the government of Israel, Israel supplied the arms - many of which the Iranians wouldn’t buy because they were too old and/or not in working condition. Israel, reimbursed by us with new weapons, came out smelling like a rose.

No Israeli government official got it in the neck. Isn’t it a crime to aid, abet let alone set up what is a criminal act?  Not when it involves the Israeli government apparently.

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By THOMAS BILLIS, July 2, 2007 at 11:26 am Link to this comment
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This wonderful article will bring out the anti semite and the pro semite and the Jews are great and the arabs are horrible people.If you are one of those people you are missing the point of the article.The question is what is in Americas best interests.If this article stimulates an open and frank discussion of what is in Americas best interests Mr Hedges you have done quite a service.Remember Israel is not the 51st state and a discussion of mistakes Israel may have made in relation to Americas best interests should not be a taboo subject.Thank you Mr Hedges for having the guts to open the subject. Let us hope some of our politicians have similar courage.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 2, 2007 at 10:51 am Link to this comment
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Hey, Chris, what’s your principle source, “The Protocols of The Elders of Zion” or the Hamas Charter?

From your diatribe, I presume you would MUCH prefer that the US had NOT given any aid to Israel in 1973, that Israel was destroyed and the mass slaughter of 3 million Jews proceeded. That, of course, was one of two courses of action. The other was that Israel, in desperation, would deploy its nuclear arsenal, killing millions of Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians in an attempt to survive, possibly causing the Soviets to nuke Israel, with a chance of American retaliation into WW III.

So, Chris, which of those two alternatives would you have preferred—a second Holocaust getting rid of those pesky Jews once and for all, or a nuclear Holocaust?

Why the F*** do you think we helped Israel, you anti-semitic neo-nazi?

As if the destruction of Israel for fix ANYTHING in the Middle East? Every one of the leaders of the Arab world wants to be the next Caliph of Islam and rule a united Arabia.  To get there, to the Caliphate, they are going to be at each other’s throats for ages.

Let’s not forget that $3b in aid to Israel is ONE TWENTIEH of what we are pouring into Iraq each year (that’s $60 billion for you number crunchers).

BTW, Chris, I find it VERY interesting that your attack on Israel features an American flag being burned.

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By TDoff, July 2, 2007 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

And for years when Israel bragged about how ‘their Hard Work and Industry had turned the barren desert Green’, they forgot to mention that their ‘Industry’ was the lobby, ‘AIPAC’; the ‘Hard Work’ was their neocon zionists threatening and bribing our wimp politicians; and the ‘Green’, was the many layers of $100 US Greenbacks coerced from middle and lower income american taxpayers that covered the desert floor.

Enough is too much, already. Cut the putzes loose, and let them learn to live underwater, when the arabs and muslims push them into the sea.

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By toc, July 2, 2007 at 9:49 am Link to this comment
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The only way the Israeli alliance makes any sense is on a strategic level. It exists as a base for projecting American power in the Middle East. Aside from Turkey, no other option exists.  Israel is closer to the important points in the Area, the Suez canal and the Straits of Hormuz. This is also the reason that Israel has the most up to date American weaponry.  It makes it possible for rapid force projection.

If you think that the Israeli tail wags the American dog, think again. If it were in the interests of the United States power elite, anti-Israeli sentiment could be whipped up over night. This article completely underestimates the cynicism under which strategic planning operates.

I am neither pro-Israeli nor Anti-Israeli and I agree that Israel owes its existence to the U.S. My problem with the article is that it portrays the U.S. as being the tool of the the Israelis, while the opposite is true. It is Israel who dances to the tune of the U.S., make no mistake of that. The Americans are not some innocent dupes here, so why try to whitewash them.

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By Robert, July 2, 2007 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

U.S. Aid to Israel: What U.S. Taxpayer Should Know

by Tom Malthaner

“This morning as I was walking down Shuhada Street in Hebron, I saw graffiti marking the newly painted storefronts and awnings. Although three months past schedule and 100 percent over budget, the renovation of Shuhada Street was finally completed this week. The project manager said the reason for the delay and cost overruns was the sabotage of the project by the Israeli settlers of the Beit Hadassah settlement complex in Hebron. They broke the street lights, stoned project workers, shot out the windows of bulldozers and other heavy equipment with pellet guns, broke paving stones before they were laid and now have defaced again the homes and shops of Palestinians with graffiti. The settlers did not want Shuhada St. opened to Palestinian traffic as was agreed to under Oslo 2. This renovation project is paid for by USAID funds and it makes me angry that my tax dollars have paid for improvements that have been destroyed by the settlers.

Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel’s foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)

When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.

I am angry when I see Israeli settlers from Hebron destroy improvements made to Shuhada Street with my tax money. Also, it angers me that my government is giving over $10 billion to a country that is more prosperous than most of the other countries in the world and uses much of its money for strengthening its military and the oppression of the Palestinian people”

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By Robert, July 2, 2007 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

Hiding AIPAC’s Tracks

“In fact, the congressmembers know it when they list the contributions they receive on the campaign statements they have to prepare for the Federal Election Commission. But their constituents don’t know this when they read these statements. So just as no other special interest can put so much “hard money” into any candidate’s election campaign as can the Israel lobby, no other special interest has gone to such elaborate lengths to hide its tracks.

Although AIPAC, Washington’s most feared special-interest lobby, can hide how it uses both carrots and sticks to bribe or intimidate members of Congress, it can’t hide all of the results.

Anyone can ask one of their representatives in Congress for a chart prepared by the Congressional Research Service, a branch of the Library of Congress, that shows Israel received $62.5 billion in foreign aid from fiscal year 1949 through fiscal year 1996. People in the national capital area also can visit the library of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) in Rosslyn, Virginia, and obtain the same information, plus charts showing how much foreign aid the U.S. has given other countries as well.

Visitors will learn that in precisely the same 1949-1996 time frame, the total of U.S. foreign aid to all of the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined was $62,497,800,000—almost exactly the amount given to tiny Israel.

According to the Population Reference Bureau of Washington, DC, in mid-1995 the sub-Saharan countries had a combined population of 568 million. The $24,415,700,000 in foreign aid they had received by then amounted to $42.99 per sub-Saharan African.

Similarly, with a combined population of 486 million, all of the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean together had received $38,254,400,000. This amounted to $79 per person.

The per capita U.S. foreign aid to Israel’s 5.8 million people during the same period was $10,775.48. This meant that for every dollar the U.S. spent on an African, it spent $250.65 on an Israeli, and for every dollar it spent on someone from the Western Hemisphere outside the United States, it spent $214 on an Israeli.”

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By Martin, July 2, 2007 at 8:51 am Link to this comment
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For me one of the most important connections between Israel and the US is the Christian religion in particular the American Evangelicals. They are often first in line to support Israel because, a) the Jews are chosen by God. b) it is much better if the ‘holy’ Land is in Jewish hands, then in Muslims hands. God gave the land to the Jews in the first place. Ever since the Crusades, when the Europeans were defeated with their ‘Kingdom of Jerusalem’ project, was the reconquista of Palestine a longing for the Western, Christian society. Israel is now doing it and in order to get paid, they point out the shared religious connection. But they do it of course only for themselves. Most Jews believe that they are a chosen people by God and some deduct from that that the mistreatment of members of other religions is permitted and sometimes even required.
I am Atheist and have no investment in God, Abraham and holy lands. In fact I think it is a curse to believe these Bronze Age camp fire stories and take them for reality.  But with so many American Christians seduced by the most anti-intellectual brand of Christianity, namely Evangelicalism, it is no wonder that our military is fighting in Biblical lands for Biblical reasons against peoples who the Jews fight since biblical times.
May out of this debacle a new enlightenment come. It is time for a new religion of reason and peace that does not claim to be the only truth. Bronze Age cults should wither away in the light of wisdom and art, a Renaissance is needed and born-again dark-Agers need to retire or sent packing.

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By Verne Arnold, July 2, 2007 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

What we didn’t do during the Israeli massacre of the Lebanese last year, is for me, the proverbial last straw….

I have no problem with Americans, but, I have a huge problem with the American government…I have no problem with the Jews, but, I have a huge…very huge…immense, gigantic problem with the Israeli government.

Any human who doesn’t recognize the travesty going on here is just lost.  Beyond hope, crazy, insane, deluded, delusional, or just plain mad!

Jimmy Carters book about Israeli Apartheid of Palestine is clear and coherent and more importantly, true.

Deny this and you take yourself beyond the pale of human decency. 

Continuing this rant…I personally am so disgusted and sick of all of the rhetoric and lack of action, I will never forgive the lack of common decency and humanity exhibited by my fellow countrymen.  You, I think, have cursed yourselves to the nether regions for your catastrophic failure as humans. 

To take nearly five years to make a decision regarding the present policy of this administration about the right thing to do is unforgivable.  Saddam Hussein on his worst/best day/year never killed as many Iraqis or any body else, as we have.

Denial, denial, denial is the worst of all possible human conditions and will ultimately lead to our very destruction! 

And the true criminals will go unpunished………..no god will help us.

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By ender, July 2, 2007 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

Israel is the father of modern terrorism.  The tactics used by Islamic terroris were developed by Israel.  I admire Israel.  Pound for pound they are the most viscious Semetic tribe in the region.  Israel’s success in creating an agrenomic system has been accomplished by extending the UN set boundaries of Israel into Palstine just enough to grab every bit of water in the region.  Zionism is real. The fundamentalist have no intention of adhering to the borders declared at their creation.  The US and UK knew this when they created this mess in ‘49. The borders virtually assured an unending upheaval and instability in the region.

It is time Israel stand alone, and either return Palestinian lands and allow a Palestinian state that is not so fractured that it cannot succeed economically, or fight it’s own war of genocide.

If you support Israel’s interest over those of the US, please renounce your citizenship and head for the kibbutz ASAP.  Of course, if you’re not Jewish, as reconginzed by Jews in Israel, you won’t be welcomed. But what the heck. Go anyway.  They’ll gladly send you to palestine with the rest of the goyem.

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By Robert, July 2, 2007 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

June 23 / 24, 2007

American Media Misses the Boat
USA Today and the USS Liberty
By ALISON WEIR

“The one piece of this story that did make it into the mainstream media has also remained astonishingly buried: testimony that provided the final nail in the coffin of claims that the Israeli attack—which lasted two hours; consisted of rockets, napalm, and torpedoes; and killed 34 Americans total and injured over 170—was somehow accidental.

This testimony, which was read at the Capitol Hill event, was by Captain Ward Boston, the chief counsel to the one US government investigation ever undertaken of this attack, the Naval Court of Inquiry. This quickie investigation, overseen by Admiral John S. McCain (the current Presidential contender’s father), who gave subordinates one week to conduct an investigation that normally would have been allotted a minimum of six months, found the attack to be a case of “mistaken identity.” The report, which focused on the performance of the crew and the adequacy of communications, and which excluded critical testimony from crew members, is the keystone in Israel partisans’ claims that the attack was accidental. All other US reviews of the attack that state it was accidental cite this investigation as their source.

For decades, Liberty crewmembers and authors such as James Ennes, Stephen Green, Paul Findley, John Borne, and James Bamford had provided substantial evidence that this conclusion was false. Numerous American officials of cabinet-level positions and the equivalent have stated publicly that they believed the attack to be intentional. Senior military, diplomatic and intelligence officials had long held that the magnitude and duration of the attack on the easily recognizable ship precluded any possibility that it was a mistake.

Captain Boston’s testimony was a dramatic confirmation that they were correct.
In his testimony, Boston stated that he had decided to end his 30-year silence and was going to expose the truth: the Court of Inquiry conclusions had been a sham. President Lyndon Johnson and his secretary of defense, Robert McNamara, had ordered the court to cover up the fact that all the evidence had indicated clearly that the attack had been intentional.

Somehow the major media missed this, even though AP, uncharacteristically, had an excellent news report on it. There was no report in USA Today, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times you name it, and they probably missed it. Despite the significance of this new evidence, only a handful of newspapers printed it, mostly small, regional ones; a Lexis search a few days later revealed nine.

This mainstream media blind spot has continued, and with it an American cover-up of astounding proportions.

June 8th, was the 40th anniversary of this attack. There were moving ceremonies in commemoration of the fallen at Arlington National Cemetery, the Naval Academy, and the Naval War Memorial in Washington DC. Survivors placed wreaths for their shipmates, sisters remembered their brothers; mothers wept yet again for their sons. Somehow CNN missed this; ABC World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly news missed it. Despite the fact that the USS Liberty was the most decorated ship in American history; despite the fact that its commander received the Congressional Medal of Honor; despite the fact that a War Crimes Report on the unprovoked attack has been filed by the crew, and that members of the military elite are calling for a sustained, public investigation; despite the fact that a Naval rear admiral stated that the Liberty honorees had suffered “an unprecedented injustice at the hands of our very own Navy and government ;” the national media almost entirely ignored the Liberty, its crew, and its significance. The Washington Post, in whose backyard this all occurred, printed nary a word on any of it.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/weir06232007.html

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By Robert, July 2, 2007 at 8:09 am Link to this comment

Swedish human rights worker viciously attacked by Israeli settler

“WE KILLED JESUS, WE’LL KILL YOU TOO”

“A 19-year old Swedish human rights worker had her cheekbone broken by an Israeli settler in Hebron today. Tove Johansson from Stockholm walked through the Tel Rumeida checkpoint with a small group of human rights workers to accompany Palestinian schoolchildren to their homes. They were confronted by about 100 settlers in small groups, who started chanting in Hebrew “We killed Jesus, we’ll kill you too!”, a refrain the settlers had been repeating to internationals in Tel Rumeida all day.

After about thirty seconds of waiting, a small group of very aggressive settler men surrounded the international volunteers and began spitting at them, so much so that the internationals described it like “rain.” Then settler men from the back of the crowd began jumping up and spitting, while others kicked the volunteers from the back of the crowd and from the side. The soldiers who were standing just a few feet behind the internationals at the checkpoint just looked on as the internationals were being attacked.

One settler then hit Tove on the left side of her face with an empty bottle, breaking it on her face and leaving her with a broken cheekbone. She immediately fell to the ground and the group of settlers who were watching began to clap, cheer, and chant. The soldiers, who had only watched until this point, then came forward and motioned at the settlers, in a way which the internationals described as “ok… that’s enough guys….”

The settlers, however, were allowed to stay in the area and continued watching and clapping as internationals tried to stop the flow of blood from the woman’s face. Some settlers who were coming down the hill even tried to take photos of themselves next to her bleeding face, giving the camera a “thumbs-up” sign.

At this point, an international was taken into a police van and asked to identify who had attacked the group. The international did this, pointing out three settlers who the police took into their police vehicles. However, the settlers were all driven to different areas of the neighborhood and released nearly immediately. When one settler was released on Shuhada Street, the settler crowd that was still celebrating the woman’s injuries applauded and cheered.

A settler medic came to the scene about 15 minutes after the attack and immediately began interrogating the internationals who had been attacked, about why they were in Hebron. He refused to help the bleeding woman lying on the street in any way .

Five minutes after the settler medic arrived, the army medic arrived and began treating the injured woman. When she was later put on a stretcher, the crowd of settlers again clapped and cheered.

Police officers at the scene then immediately began threatening to arrest the remaining internationals if they did not immediately leave the area, though they had also just been attacked.

The injured woman was taken to Kiryat Arba settlement and then to Hadassah Ein Keren hospital in Jerusalem.

Internationals were later told by the police that the police had not even taken the names of the settlers who were identified as having attacked the internationals and that one of the main assailants had simply told the police that he was due at the airport in two hours to fly back to France.

Earlier in the day at least 5 Palestinians, including a 3-year old child, were injured by settlers, who rampaged through Tel Rumeida hurling stones and bottles at local residents. Palestinian schoolchildren on their way home were also attacked. The IDF, which was intensively deployed in the area, did not intervene to stop the settlers.”
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Take a look at these “PEACE LOVING” fanatic Israeli zealots & their aggression.

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=687

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By Robert, July 2, 2007 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

PRO-ISRAEL PAC CONTRIBUTIONS TO 2006 CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES:


Here is your chance to see what and how much $$$ contributions your US Senators, Congressmen, Congresswomen have received from PRO-ISRAEL PAC.

The list is fairly long with so many familiar names. The BIG $MONEY$ is going to the big names of our US elected representatives.

One does NOT have to wonder who “Occupies & Manipulates” our American Congress.

Here is the link with all the $$$ details:

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2006/0605031.html

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By Robert, July 2, 2007 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

Anger and Tears at Israel’s Apartheid Wall, A Wound Slashing Palestine to the Bone

By Anne Gwynne

“This wall, built illegally upon Palestinian land without compensation, will be over 450 miles long, 26 feet in height above its base (six and a half feet below ground level) and nearly 500 feet wide. It has consumed more than 10 percent of Palestine’s most fertile and productive agricultural land; when the wall is completed the figure will reach a million dunums. For 91 percent of its length it does not follow the so-called Green Line, so it isolates villages and towns in a no-man’s-land between Israel and Palestine to which there is no entry and from which there is no exit. The formerly prosperous city of Qalqiliya is completely encircled by the wall, with one single entry and exit gate for 45,000 people controlled by a teenage Israeli key-holder.

Like the colonies, there is no aesthetic sense here, no respect for the land. The utilitarian ugliness of the huge sheets of unrelieved concrete cannot be equaled. The wall here, I am informed, will have tunnels which will allow Israeli incursions at any time; in addition, it will be festooned with tons of razor wire and have gun-emplacements every 325 yards. Two of these towers, now equipped with electronic weapons which shoot at movement, point into the primary school compound. On either side of the wall there is a wide swathe of “confiscated” land, completely denuded, so that imaginary Palestinians can easily be seen.

Behind the wall is a high sandy hill commanding the whole area, from which an Israeli tank fires shells into the city: numerous missiles have fallen around and in the school yard. Many children have left because of nervous breakdowns, and others are suffering from stress-related illnesses. They have terrified nightmares, and bed-wetting and sleep disorders are common. Between the school and the wall is about 325 yards of devastated moonscape which has been used as a construction base—the land which the Israelis have stolen on “their” side of the wall is, naturally, undamaged, with the Palestinian farmers’ crops being harvested as Israeli produce.

As one gazes across these beautiful hills clothed in diaphanous greens, this ugly monstrosity snakes across the landscape, a one-third-mile-wide wound which has slashed Palestine to the bone, standing stark and livid, bisecting the naturally unified landscape. It cuts a family off from its members, farmers from the land, neighbor from friend, and village from town. Significantly, Qalqiliya sits on one of the region’s three great aquifers, supplying 50 percent of occupied Palestine’s water. When complete, the wall will steal 89 percent of the available water supply as well as most of the country’s fertile land, condemning Palestinian farmers to a lifetime of poverty, with the land they have tilled for thousands of years within sight of their homes, but unreachable. It cannot be reiterated too many times that, while “security” is the pretext, the wall’s sinister purpose is to dislocate the people from the land and force them to leave: it is the culmination of the Zionist project which did not start in 2000, 1967 or 1948 , but was formulated in Europe 100 years ago and is now, as far as the Israelis are concerned, coming to fruition.

Our governments are not only allowing this to happen—they are paying the astronomical cost of this madness, billions of dollars of U.S. taxpayers’ money. Even knowing the statistics of the wall, to touch it, look along it, stand in its shadow where once there was sunshine, and photograph it—that really is something else. A 450-mile, $3.4 billion wall to prevent an occasional act of resistance? No, this wall is designed to make life here, already intolerable, even more so, in the belief that the remaining Palestinians will be forced through hunger and poverty to leave. The cold-blooded cruelty and calculation of it is sickening.”

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/November_2004/0411010.html

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By ender, July 2, 2007 at 6:08 am Link to this comment

In Israel, there are public and active debates about the withdrawal of Israel from occupied lands, and the creation of a Palestinian state.  A MAJORITY OF ISRAELIS favor returning to the borders originally mandated by the UN.  But, Israel has a hard right, fundamentalist contingent that keep the money rolling in from the US.  And the religious right, and powerful media moguls, keep us from having that same debate in this country.
Dick Cheney has told congress he doesn’t have to comply with their request for his correspondence, that he isn’t part of the administrative branch.

He’s corret.  Dick Cheney is an employee of the Milirary Complex that President Eisenhower warned us about 45 years ago.  He has worked for them his entire carreer, only keeping offices in various gov’t buildingd, to keep closer tabs on how we deliver the flow of money.

Chris Hedges is on the money.  It is time that the Defense industry, the religious right, and the Likud party are removed from power in American Gov’t.  Demanding immediate Israeli compliance with UN resolutions to return land and get out of Palestine, would be our first step toward dealing with terror.  Everything up to this point has been about making money for TRW, Haliburiton, KRB and Raytheon.  And keeping the funds flowing to Israel.

Sen Leiberman should renounce his American Citizenship.  Many Americans support this war against Iraq only because of Israel.  Why else would 27% of Americans still think this war was a good idea?  Because they place the interest of Israel above the interest of this nation.

We’re back to that fundamentalist religious thing again.  If Israel doesn’t keep all of Jeruselem and rebuild the temple, Armeggedon can’t happen, and the xtian eod myth can’t happen to finally prove to the world that they AREN’T THE COMPLETE IDIOTS THAT WE SEE.

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By D. Anderson, July 2, 2007 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

“...an aggressive and dangerous Israeli agenda that could launch a nightmarish regional war.”

Oh, really? It’s quite possible that the people on the ground in this region think this has already come to pass.

Also, perhaps the word ‘Israeli’ should be changed to ‘Zionist’?

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