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Posted on Jan 24, 2011
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By Bill Boyarsky

The selfish negativity expressed by Republicans in the House health care debate last week showed why we should fight hard for President Barack Obama’s re-election in 2012.

Although their speeches were so canned, repetitive and boring that it was almost impossible to listen to them, the message was clear: Beat Obama, dismantle the health bill and take government out of the business of helping people. “Put a president in the White House who will repeal this bill,” said Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, the tea party’s chief harridan, “a Senate that will repeal this bill. We will continue this fight until Obamacare is no longer the law of the land.”

Rep. Paul Ryan, the House Republican leader on fiscal matters, expressed the goal in even starker terms, going far beyond health care and heaping scorn on the very idea of the safety net that has been part of American life since the Great Depression:

“Over time, Americans have been lured into viewing government—more than themselves, their families, their communities, their faith—as their main source of support; they have been drawn toward depending on the public sector for growing shares of their material and personal well-being. The trend drains individual initiative and personal responsibility. It creates an aversion to risk, sapping the entrepreneurial spirit necessary for growth, innovation, and prosperity.”

These words are from Ryan’s “Roadmap for America’s Future,” which he issued a year ago to the great approval of Republicans and even tips of the hat from those Democrats who are more concerned about the deficit than the unemployed.

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With Republicans in control of the House, Ryan now has great power. As chairman of the House Budget Committee, he has been given authority to in effect write the budget that will be voted on by all the members. Because of new Republican House operating policies, he can do this himself by setting limits for domestic spending categories—“more power than has ever been invested in a budget committee chief,” noted The New York Times.

His “roadmap” gives a clear view of what the Republicans see as their path to win the Senate, keep control of the House and unseat Obama in 2012.

One of the GOP’s major proposals is eliminating Medicare as we know it, except for those now being covered. Current Medicare recipients would get a small tax credit to purchase policies in any state, opening the door to unregulated marketing of health insurance that may not cover necessities such as maternity care and cancer screenings. Government would also provide a small cash grant and let you invest in a medical savings account. Social Security would be gutted, with recipients being encouraged to turn over a third of their government pensions to the stock market. Ryan’s Budget Committee may also try to eliminate funds to implement the health care law.

Another House Republican plan, this one from the tea party-influenced Republican Study Committee, would cut federal funds given to states for Medicaid medical care for the poor.

That program is one of the best features of the health care act that the House voted to repeal last week. By 2014, the working poor, now excluded, will be eligible if the plan is not repealed.

The health care plan—Obamacare, as the Republicans call it—was never much liked by a substantial number of liberal Democrats. Obama’s refusal to embrace the best plan—Medicare for all—infuriated them. So did his decision against including a government health insurance plan among the options to be offered to Americans beginning in 2014.

As a result, support from an important part of the Democratic base was absent in the crucial days before passage of the law. Abandoned by the left, assaulted by the right and afflicted with an odd case of inarticulateness, the president and his administration failed to explain what they had given to the country.

Now, too late for the 2010 election, supporters of the law are beginning to defend it. In the House debate last week, one Democrat told stories of how constituents have already benefited.

Young adults under 26 are remaining on parental policies. Policies can’t be canceled unless the insurer proves fraud. There are no longer lifetime limits on benefits (such limits permitted cancellation after a certain limit had been reached). New policies must offer free preventative services. Patients can choose their primary care, OB/GYN or pediatric physicians from their insurance network without referral from another doctor. There is a new right to appeal insurance company decisions. Medicare recipients have received a $250 rebate from the prescription drug plan. Small businesses are receiving tax credits for offering health insurance to employees. People with pre-existing conditions can buy insurance. You can use the nearest emergency room without suffering insurance company penalties.

By 2014, the landscape will change much more. Consumers will shop for the best policies at state exchanges, with competition hopefully driving the price down.

Of course, key parts of this plan are threatened by the lawsuits brought by Republican state attorneys general, who may succeed in the current Supreme Court. But even so, much of the law will remain, and be revised and strengthened over the years, just as happened with Social Security and Medicare.

The Republicans want to repeal the entire package and wipe out the other government programs created to help people in economic distress. All they have to offer is a ringing call for a return to Victorian days, as proposed in Rep. Ryan’s roadmap. And they insist on doing it as the country is barely recovering from a recession caused by Republican policies. That’s reason enough for us to start working now to make sure Obama wins another term.


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By Alexavia, April 27, 2011 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
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TYVM you’ve svleod all my problems

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By LocalHero, January 31, 2011 at 7:36 am Link to this comment

Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha!

Uhm, wasn’t this supposed to run on April Fool’s Day?

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By MarthaA, January 29, 2011 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

Litl Bludot, January 30 at 12:41 am,

If you keep watching the movie it gets out of the reasons why people choose to be parasites and into how they go about being parasites. 

Privatized Capitalism is a parasite because private capital depends upon a social infrastructure and institutions in pursuit of private profit.  Also, private capital depends upon social resources cyclically recapitalizing FAILED private capital, when private greed over-leverages private capital to the point that private capital becomes toxic and cyclically FAILS.

The solution to the cyclical FAILURE of private capital, and private capital remaining on Public Welfare for private profit is Socialized Capitalism.

Socialized Capitalism has been in existence in the State of North Dakota for many years through the Bank of North Dakota, the nations only state owned bank, and could be expanded throughout the United States as a nation, and expanded in scope from its use in North Dakota to replace the Model of Privatized Capitalism for private profit at public expense to Socialized Capitalism that would give city, county, state, and federal government, as well as the population at large, the benefits of Capitalism.

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By Litl Bludot, January 29, 2011 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, thanks for the link to Zeitgeist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

I was told about it before, but this is the first time I’ve studied it.  It’s good.  I’m
about half way through it and will definitely watch to the end.  Your other links
as well.

Briefly, the idea in the movie is that accumulation of “money” is an addiction
caused by abuse of various kinds accuring during childhood developement
does fit, in a way, with my argument. i.e. Capitalism is a parasitoid ideology
that infects humans to varying degrees.  Some are more susceptible than
others.  It follows, as in the movie, that those most abused by capitalism and its
effects, i.e. child abuse, hunger, poverty, slave labor, war, torture, muder, rape, etc. and can be most easily infected,
especially when the vectors are everywhere, i.e. our media, politicians, schools,
churches, business “leaders”.

The most serously infected humans, the ones showing the most symptoms of
infection,  are the most efficient vectors for the spread of the infection and the
damage that it causes.  We are now in a pandemic in which emergency
measures would be utilized if it were a microbrial infection.  i.e. isolation of
thsoe infected areas, and quarantine of the infected individuals, with an effort
to treatment until they are no longer infectious and are safe to be in the general population again.

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By MarthaA, January 29, 2011 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, January 29 at 4:05 pm,

Anarcissie said: “Yes, the Democrats’ shtick is ‘We’re the ones who aren’t crazy.’  But it’s not much, after all, is it?  And in any case they cooperate with those who are crazy; they’re enablers.  They’re ‘working within the system’ and the system is pernicious.”


Definitely the DLC Democrats are enablers and are the actual traitors to democracy.  Thanks to “Zeitgeist” and all similar documentary type movies like The Bush-Nazi Connection and Capitalism: A Love Story by Michael Moore, more and more people are becoming aware and Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST sophistry and propaganda is hitting a brick wall instead of leading them against their best interest, and as more and more of the propagandized become aware, there will be a remarkable cut in the Jared Loughner type loner killers, with the exception of the CIA <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA”>MK Ultra type, as an aware American Populace will know that individuals can’t do anything political as individuals, but have to use the power of their entire class and culture, the American Common Populace’s Class and Culture, NOT the American Middle Class and Culture that separated in the 1980’s from the American Common Populace’s Class and Culture when the Democratic Leadership Council, DLC, was originated as their representation in cooperation with the http://www.hulu.com/watch/112523/the-american-ruling-class, the American Aristocracy.

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By MarthaA, January 29, 2011 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, January 29 at 2:38 pm,

Before there can be real change politically in the United States, the American Populace as a whole must realize they are the American Common Populace, a 70% majority class and cultural population of the United States, though diverse, still in the same American Common Populace Class and Culture and work together toward a desired end of representation of the class and culture of the American Populace—American Populace loners, not representing the class and culture as a whole, will be criminalized by both the American Middle Class and the American Aristocracy.

Thanks to “Zeitgeist” and all similar documentary type movies like The Bush-Nazi Connection and Capitalism: A Love Story by Michael Moore, more and more people are becoming aware and Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMIST sophistry and propaganda is hitting a brick wall instead of leading them against their best interest, and as more and more of the propagandized become aware, there will be a remarkable cut in the Jared Loughner type loner killers, with the exception of the <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA”>MK Ultra type, as an aware American Populace will know that individuals can’t do anything political as individuals, but have to use the power of their entire class and culture, the American Common Populace’s Class and Culture, NOT the American Middle Class and Culture that separated in the 1980’s from the American Common Populace’s Class and Culture when the <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council”>Democratic Leadership Council, DLC, was originated as their representation in cooperation with the http://www.hulu.com/watch/112523/the-american-ruling-class, the American Aristocracy.

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By Anarcissie, January 29, 2011 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

Yes, the Democrats’ shtick is ‘We’re the ones who aren’t crazy.’  But it’s not much, after all, is it?  And in any case they cooperate with those who are crazy; they’re enablers.  They’re ‘working within the system’ and the system is pernicious.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 29, 2011 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

Litl Bludot


“Those who, by now, have not admitted that Obama is a fremeny, a demented
psychopath serving his masters, are themselves willing accomplices of our biocide, the eradication of all that is beautiful in the universe.”

My opinion is that your post has merit, but is a little too grandiose and selective in its attribution of guilt.

Astronomyophiles[sic] would more than likely dispute your contention that this “Little Blue Marble,” Litl Bludot, whatever contains “All that is beautiful in the Universe.”


Psychopath, NOUN



1.“Somebody affected with a personality disorder marked by aggressive, violent, antisocial thought and behavior and a lack of remorse or empathy ( technical.)”


2. offensive term: an offensive term for somebody who is regarded as highly antisocial, aggressive, and lacking in empathy ( insult )
 


Frenemy


“Someone who acts like a friend but is really an enemy.”


Question:


Which Political Party is the most Frenemetic[sic]?


Question:


Which Political Party most serves corporate interests, as opposed to the people’s interests?

Question:


Which Political Party proposes climate legislation, and which party opposes climate legislation?

 

Small points I’m sure, but points just the same.

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By MarthaA, January 29, 2011 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

Litl Bludot, January 28 at 6:43 pm,

Here is a truthfully wonderful educational movie about economics in the United States and the world plus, much more, that I picked up from Matt on a Truthdig thread, “Where Liberals Go To Feel Good’.  It starts off a little slow in a fog, but it is well worth the wait:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

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By Litl Bludot, January 28, 2011 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

JDMystic, thanks for the thoughtful comment.  As you say at the end of it, it is inadequate, but you do not say why.

If there was time to entertain the belief that only political, social, and economic reason will eventually overcome an ideology inimical to life (our biosphere), discounting all the suffering and loss that will continue for the forseeable future, then your argument could be made.  But we don’t.

All reasoning that does not include the biological fact that the imminent ecocide of our planet by a pandemic infection of the dominant species by a parasitoid ideology (capitalism) which causes its host to destroy its niche (the entire planet),  has no chance of arriving at a successful strategy to avert
our demise.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 28, 2011 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie

Thank you for the stark dose of reality. Unfortunately many will not see it. They won’t be exposed to it, they won’t recognize it if they are exposed to it, they will be too preoccupied to notice, or they will say this stark dose of reality, is not reality. After all, we are God’s chosen people, above reproach, not beholden to any law, in short, we can do no wrong.


Now, here I go again; splitting hairs and attempting to bring proper perspective.


Psychopath:

 
1. “Somebody affected with a personality disorder marked by aggressive, violent, antisocial thought and behavior and a lack of remorse or empathy ( technical.)”

2. offensive term: an offensive term for somebody who is regarded as highly antisocial, aggressive, and lacking in empathy ( insult )


Sociopath:


“A person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.”


War Crime:


“Any crime in violation of international law or accepted laws of war or of assumed norms of humane behavior, committed in connection with a war as by a member of a belligerent nation’s military forces or government.”


As I’ve stated previously: I believe that Obama is a War Criminal. I believe that war crimes are: Damnable, unjustifiable, unforgivable, and must be punished. I also believe that criminality varies in degree, and that punishment of war crimes and attribution of war crimes are subject to mitigation.


Whether war crimes are caused by psychopathic/sociopathic ignorance, psychopathic/sociopathic philosophical beliefs, or psychopathic/sociopathic political ideology, requires some analysis. I am about to embark on what may well be perceived as being psycho/socio babble. Please bear with me, surgically splitting hairs and bringing proper perspective is not easily accomplished.


It can easily be argued that philosophies and political ideologies may be the result of profound ignorance, but I contend that there is a distinction to be made between psycho/socio ignorance, psych/socio philosophy, and psycho/socio political ideology. Clearly no society/nation is universally ignorant, universal in its philosophy, or universal in its political ideology, and that societies/nations are factionalized, but it should be evident that a society’s/nation’s leaders are primarily governed by their ignorance or lack of ignorance, their philosophies, and their political ideologies. I’ll offer that fascist governments who commit war crimes are primarily governed by a philosophical pathology, Marxist governments that commit war crimes are primarily governed by pathological political ideology, while other governments that commit war crimes are primarily governed by a pathological ignorance, an ignorance that is manifest with ignorant perceptions of innate or inherent superiority, irrational justifications, false perceptions of morality, or ignorance of the most basic of moral concepts.


I’ll argue that the above psycho/socio characteristics are diffuse within societies/nations and that factions within societies/nations exhibit all, or some, of the above psycho/socio characteristics when commiting war crimes. One of the tenets of law is that ignorance is not an excuse for violating law, but in the real world of law and jurisprudence, ignorance becomes a mitigating factor when adjudication is administered. Those who intentionally and willfully violate law, offering philosophical or political rationales for violating law, are most often perceived as not being worthy of, or are perceived as being less worthy of, mitigation. Thus a distinction is made.


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By Mr. Raven, January 28, 2011 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ

A couple of points.

1. You make a cogent and IMO correct case Obama is a
war criminal just like Bush and yet seem to support
him in the end.  If justice is to be served war
criminals from BOTH parties need to be in jail not
power.

2. You seem to see Obama as some kind of idealistic
victim, but IMO using Occam’s razor a much simpler explanation is that BOTH the Dims and Repigliecons
are beholden to their campaign money sources, in
Bush’s case that was oil companies and in Obama’s
financial services, follow the money:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?
cycle=2008&cid=n00009638

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By JDmysticDJ, January 28, 2011 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

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Obama has reached the pinnacle of success, he is the elected President of the United States of America, a man who has overcome adversity and prejudice to reach this pinnacle, the leader of the “Free World” an academic of some renown, a man perceived by many as being of the people, and for the people, but it is my humble opinion that he is an ignorant fool in respect to many issues, preeminently on the issue of war crimes. Obama has demonstrated that he has political tendencies, but that he is not a strict ideologue. Obama espouses a philosophy that he believes to be ultimately virtuous, idealistic, and beneficial to all the people of the United States of America, the lowest, as well as the highest. I do not believe this is political theater, I believe that he is a true believer in American exceptionalism. I don’t believe that he is a nefarious, deceitful, demon, though I do believe he is possessed by the demon of American exceptionalism. I believe that Obama is in need of an exorcism.

 

I believe that Obama’s primary opposition is: Ignorant, but primarily ideological in its reality, I believe that this ideology espouses a philosophy of cold and calculating pragmatism, an ideology that perceives idealism to be a weakness, and counter productive, an ideology that espouses authoritarianism, and disparages egalitarianism, an ideology that looks to the carnality of nature for guidance and as the model for philosophical belief and behavior, an ideology that is essentially Social Darwinist, and veils its belief in eugenics and racial superiority, an ideology so at odds with popular thought that it is forced into being disingenuous and deceitful, and is so dogmatic in its ideology that it perceives lies as being virtuous in pursuit of ideological objectives, an ideology that in its totality is intellectually deficient, but often wins intellectual arguments by deceit and subterfuge, an ideology that is reactionary and regressive, an ideology that sees violence as not only necessary, but desirable as a means of meeting its objectives, an ideology that glorifies war and sees those whose lives are destroyed as being sacrificial lambs to the God of their ideology. Thus I, if no one else, make a distinction.


Of the primary factions, I see one as being open to progress, and the other closed to progress, I see one of the factions as being not only capable of change, but prone to change, while the other faction by its very nature is incapable of change and indeed is actively opposing change that does not serve its ever expanding but regressive objectives.


Of the two factions, I have a preference, even if that preference falls horribly short of my ideals. The other option is more horrific. The political reality we are currently enveloped in is tragic beyond description, and a perception of the danger is not paranoid, or a myth. The danger is manifest and illustrated in very real current realities, realities that are currently in expansion. 


I have condemned Obama, and I believe him to be worthy of that condemnation. Rather than condemn the policies he is responsible for, I have condemned him personally, and I fear that this personal condemnation will make me complicit with others who condemn him personally as well, and that these personal condemnations will influence the political climate to some extent, and serve to advance the interests of his opponents, whom I believe are worthy of even stronger condemnation. This is the explanation for my defense of Obama and the Democrats, and why I object to those who criticize Obama and the Democrats without consideration for the consequences of that criticism.


On review, I have to conclude that this post is inadequate and will not change any minds. Perhaps only future events will lead to a preference, and a longing for what was lost.

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By ThomasG, January 28, 2011 at 12:30 am Link to this comment

With regard to “Without Obama, We Loose So Much More Than an Election,” the only thing we, the Left and Liberals, lose, if we lose Obama, is the best choice in rotten apples, because that is what the Democratic Party and Obama represents with regard to the Left and Liberals.

The only choice that the Left and Liberals have is the “choice of contention” between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, neither of which represents the best interests of the Left and Liberals of the American Populace in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order representative of the best interests of the American Populace.

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By Litl Bludot, January 27, 2011 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

ThomasG

Thanks for your comment.  My thought is that the populace that accepts, supports
policies that have demonstrably put their lives at risk, and the life of the planet, is
no longer sane.

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By Leefeller, January 27, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

If it looks+ like a war criminal, walks like a war criminal it is probably a war criminal,.....only according to self proclamations as laws by the king in power.

Lets see how this works; if you loose than you are a war criminal, if you win…..well then the point seems to be not to loose?

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By ThomasG, January 27, 2011 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

Litl Bludot, January 27 at 5:10 am,

When passing out blame, who is to blame—the Toadies, the Democratic Party leadership, or the Masters of the Toadies to whom the Toadies toady up to, the Republican Party; both Adolph Eichman and, in a like manner, “Little Tiny Eichmans” are equally to blame, because one enables the other.

American Ruling Class Duopoly:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/112523/the-american-ruling-class

The fact is that the United States is a nation that has descended into a political duopoly of Republican Party/Democratic Party power and control that excludes the American Populace, a 70% majority population of the United States that needs to awaken from its slumber of tacit support for a duopolistic agenda that is NOT representative of the best interests of the American Populace, withdraw its support of that false agenda, and as a 70% majority population start to represent its own best interests apart from the entrenched and institutionalized interests of the American Aristocracy and American Middle Class singularity.

American Ruling Class Duopoly:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/112523/the-american-ruling-class

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By Litl Bludot, January 27, 2011 at 12:10 am Link to this comment

Those who, despite the overwhelming amount of lies he has told, refuse to see Obama as the corporate stooge who pretends to be
caring human are the same people who watched as Germany descended into chaos until
the Nazis took over.  But this time, the planet cannot handle it.

Those who, by now, have not admitted to themsleves that we are on a descent into
corporate fascism, where all media is used to brainwash the populace, where there
is permanent war, torture and slave labor. where the oceans will be dead, the air
foul and or unbreathable, lack of clean water, arable land, trees, plants, mass extinction of most life forms,  the food
laced with toxins, radioactive waste everywhere, no birds in the sky, rotting infrastructure, stone age war god
education, and fear permeating every pore of excistence.

Those who, by now, have not admitted that Obama is a fremeny, a demented
psychopath serving his masters, are themselves willing accomplices of our biocide, the eradication of all that is beautiful in the universe.

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By Anarcissie, January 26, 2011 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment

In regard to the accusation of being a war criminal, here is Article 6 of the charter of the Nuremberg Trials, as published by the Avalon Project:

‘Article 6.

The Tribunal established by the Agreement referred to m Article 1 hereof for the trial and punishment of the major war criminals of the European Axis countries shall have the power to try and punish persons who, acting in the interests of the European Axis countries, whether as individuals or as members of organizations, committed any of the following crimes.

The following acts, or any of them, are crimes coming within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal for which there shall be individual responsibility:

(a) CRIMES AGAINST PEACE: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing;

(b) WAR CRIMES: namely, violations of the laws or customs of war. Such violations shall include, but not be limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity;

(c)CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war; or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated.’

It is obvious that in the terms of the charter, the perpetrators and enablers of the wars in and against Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. etc. etc., are war criminals.  The exact apportionment of guilt cannot be established without war crimes trials, but as the chiefs of a nation initiating and waging wars of aggression, etc., presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama (among others) cannot escape full responsibility.

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JDmysticDJ, January 25 at 4:20 pm

Gee, four posts to avoid answering a single one of my points. Perhaps this is a new world record, someone call Guinness…..

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By ThomasG, January 26, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

bill, January 25 at 1:23 am,

The problem is that the Democratic Party represents a 20% minority population of the United States, the American Middle Class as a class and cultural singularity that excludes the American Populace, the 70% majority Common Population from participation in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order in the United States, and since the American Populace is just starting to work toward awareness greater than a potato, the American Populace has not taken what rightfully belongs to the American Populace as a 70% majority Common Population of the United States, a seat at the table in the U.S. House of Representatives, the U.S. Senate, and in the U.S. Government to make and enforce legislated law and order that serves the best interest of the American Populace; walk away from representation of the American Populace by the American Middle Class Singularity as children dependent upon the American Middle Class Singularity, and take sovereign class and cultural representation of the American Populace in the U.S. House of Representatives, the U.S. Senate, and in the U.S. Government as our natural right, rather than to continue to say, ‘please sir, may I have some’, and ‘please sir, may I have some more’ to the Democratic Party “Fagin”  that is interested in a like manner as “Fagin” in “Oliver Twist” in the class and cultural interests of the Middle Class as a singularity, rather than the American Populace as a sovereign class and cultural entity.

With regard to the Republican Party, the Republican Party is not just one “Fagin”, but “Fagin gone to seed”, and is not an option for the American Populace.

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By tdbach, January 26, 2011 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Raven: “I’d rather go bird
watching.” I’ll be be listening for your tweets.

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By Flummox, January 26, 2011 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

To use the analogy of being stuck in a hole offered by another poster, the Democrats are never going to help us climb out of this hole, and only support policies that keep us here. Nobody is looking to sprout wings and magically fly out of our problems. But if we are truly going to do anything about them then we have to dispel the illusion that Democrats are anything but defenders of the status quo.

Believing Democrats and the “incremental” non-reforms they bring to the table are going to get us out of “the hole” is about as close to believing we will sprout wings as you can get. They are as much a part of the status quo elite as the Republicans.

Now showing that Democrats aren’t any better than Republicans is the easy part, the more difficult task is making people less fearful of the Republicans. Far too many vote on this basis alone and don’t seem to realize the “danger” they face is more rhetorical than actual.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 26, 2011 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

Lafayette

The authorization of drone attacks that kill innocents is the only fact I need. People have been convicted of war crimes for less. No one was laughing. The truth of a loved ones death can lead to denial, just as the truth regarding one’s idols can lead to denial, but the truth remains.

Making jokes about drone attacks on one’s daughter’s prospective suitors leads to laughter from the callous and insensitive, but such jokes are indicative of a war criminal’s mentality.

I’m sorry if you find my comments disturbing, but there are more disturbing realities that supersede your unenlightened naïve sensibilities. If you desire to move into the company of heavy- weights, you’ll have to lose your light-weight naiveté.’

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By David J. Cyr, January 26, 2011 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

QUOTE (of an avatar, being a painting of a dead French fop):

“SLANDEROUS… Where are your facts proving that Obama is a War Criminal?”
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Obama is the nominal Commander-In-Chief of the corporate state’s perpetual war crime manufacturing machine. It’s his job to personally commit war crimes and crimes against humanity… in the name of all those who dutifully civil-obediently voted for either of the “electables” that the corporate party allowed.

The corporate party only allows sociopaths to be POTUS, because that’s a prerequisite for the job of being POTUS of the united conservative and liberal Corporate States of America.

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By Mr. Raven, January 26, 2011 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

What reform fifty gigs, please cite specific policy
examples?

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By Leefeller, January 26, 2011 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

My expert opinion supersedes many others, for the simple reason I had cards printed. I do not know about anyone else in this proclaimed great nation of ours, I have seen some marvelous changes made since Obama has been in the white house,.........for the life of me I just cannot pin a finger on any of them.  So the only hope I seem able to conjure up is my hope these great changes made by Obama become apparent to me   before I am struck by a meteor.

During the election I was gaga over Obama under his spinning spell of the Hope and Change, only to find out it turned into a blind date with a much smarter George Bush.  What ever happened to getting rid of the lobbyists?  How about the new Medical Scheme, seems like it turned out to be much better than a stick in the eye and more expensive.  If I knew Obama was going to spend all his time in so many different compromising positions, I would have ordered a hard bound copy of “Kama Suta” from Amazon.

I voted for Obama even though I was aware of his hawk like qualities,  after all Obama seemed like such a nice guy, who actually talked using complete sentences. 

After contemplating my navel, I feel there is little difference between either the Democrats or the Republicans.  Eight years of watching a smirking Bush in the white house and congress giving the smirking Bush just about everything he asked for without a hitch except Social Security. Then hope and change Obama moves into the White house with a much touted Democratic majority and all of a sudden everything passes with ease of a kidney stone.  Blame the Blue ball Democrats and the party of no for calling the shots, after so many compromising positions the need for a “Kama Suta 2”  would be in order!

All I know is ...I cannot afford medical insurance for me and my family.  We are still at war.  Seems some selected things are to big to fail, obviously I am not included.  One good thing for the optimists out there, is gas prices are going up and luckily 47 percent of the unemployed population doesn’t have to worry about it.

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By Lafayette, January 26, 2011 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

SLANDEROUS

JD: It may enlighten you somewhat if I reveal that I have accused Obama of being a War Criminal here on truthdig, and elsewhere, many times.

Yes, very brave of you. Accusing anyone without proof of the accusation, in most countries, is considered slander.

But apparently the Constitution states that we all enjoy Freedom of Speech. Thus, even dimwits can slande or assassinate one’s character as well as defile reputations - and get away with it without the slightest reprobation. Regardless of the fact that they are expressing an opinion and have no formal proof of what they say.

What they have not learned is that the right to free-speech has a concurrent responsibility also to demonstrate clearly the facts mustered to support their expressed point-of-view.

Where are your facts proving that Obama is a War Criminal? All you have shown is a personal disgust disguised as innuendo and suspicion.

You’d be laughed out of a court of law.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 26, 2011 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Mr. Raven

The long list of negatives you have posted are indisputable and factual. I approve of your posting them, and I have no desire to dispute them. It may enlighten you somewhat if I reveal that I have accused Obama of being a War Criminal here on truthdig, and elsewhere, many times.

I also appreciate your mini-treatise on fascism. I have been calling a spade a spade since the Vietnam era; much to the chagrin of my comrades who preferred more acceptable designations, such as Capitalist Imperialism.

This ever encroaching fascism is evident, and has been evident to me, for many years. I’ll repeat my metaphor of being “Way Down in the Hole.” Where we disagree is on the best method of extricating ourselves from this metaphorical hole.  Many here at truthdig seem to ascribe to the sprout wings method of extricating ourselves from the hole, or the belief that a charismatic savior will somehow extricate us from the hole, while I advocate what I believe is a more rational method of extrication. I believe that the best method of extricating ourselves from the hole would be a long and arduous climb, carefully choosing the safest available handholds and footholds.

Another metaphorical analogy might be a comparison to being lost in the wilderness. I’ll offer that a resort to cannibalism would serve no purpose in terms of long term survival. Having studied incidences of survival after being lost in the wilderness; the best method of assuring survival has been sending the strongest individuals from within the group, however weak they might be, or how daunting would be the journey before them, for help.

I apologize for these simplistic analogies, I seriously doubt whether they will be instructive, or be given any credence. I only offer them as a kind of short hand, and a desire to avoid reams of dialectic.

In order to be more succinct and less abstract, I’ll simply restate my belief that the Democrats, and reform, are our best hope.

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By FiftyGigs, January 26, 2011 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

Mr. Raven, the onus is on you to to explain thirty years of conservative dominance as a result of your—I’m sure profound—“effort”.

My vote delivered reform.

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By FiftyGigs, January 26, 2011 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

cruxpuppy, so far you have delivered a government full of egotists representing people who believe the universe is 6,000 years old.

I’m not impressed by your “activism”.

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By Lafayette, January 26, 2011 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

BINGO!

Economists have a trick to make economics mathematically simple. Mathematics is rational, so they insist that only Rational Mankind is the primary Economic Agent (or mover). So, it is nice to see this article from an Economist that challenges the rightness of that long-since-held notion.

Yes, it’s nice to see this “error” admitted by an economist, titled The Moral Heart of Economics. Old adage from the medical profession: One cannot be cured if one does not admit that they are sick.

Are economists “sick”. Well, perhaps not in the mental sense. But few would doubt that there has not been a moral lapse over the past half century in economic thought that focused upon econometric modeling. JK Galbraith, who was very popular from the 1950s through to the 1970s, was the last (to my mind) to have raised the question of Economic Morality. Particularly, as I recall, in his work The Good Society: The Humane Agenda.

Affluence is a good attribute of any society. But in the lack of any sense or notion of fairness, it can be wicked. When most of the marginal gain from our toil accrues unfairly to a comparatively minuscule portion of our population, then something has gone drastically wrong and menaces our social cohesion. What went wrong?

Nothing more than our sense of moral values as regards the distribution of returns-to-labor that, for a variety of reasons, were tilted way out of balance with the returns-to-capital. And why did this happen?

Economic historians can belabor that question till their dialog becomes dreary, which shouldn’t take long. My assessment:  It could be because of the Cold War that sparked McCarthyism along with an inbred hatred for Communism,  that the Right played deftly into condemning socialism in all its forms – including that of Social Democracy (meaning Centrist Economic Policy). 

All the Right needed was the telegenic persona of a Ronald Reagan – and in an America that absorbs far too much TV for its own good – the Right went on to three decades of majority rule in the minds of Americans who subtly shifted Rightwards in their political outlook.

Meanwhile, in Europe, where Reckless Ronnie is known rather more as a B-movie actor, the mindset was overwhelmingly accented on the Left – mostly because the Communist Russian Bear was staring down its neck for most of that same period.  We are all prisoners of history, are we not?

But history has moved on. Whilst the American notion of “fair play” still remains in second place to that of “Winner takes all!” Uncle Sam is still stuck in a notional mindset that is reminiscent of the 1950s – with BigBrother warning us that the menace comes from without and not within.  And a plutocrat class that pays well its Media Minions to continually drive home that Pavlovian-message.

Is this any different from what Communist dogma attempted?

POST SCRIPTUM: So, what’s the solution?

If there is one that does not include massive taxation at the stratospheric levels of total gains (both compensation and any other non-compensation earnings),  then please do let this forum know.

Or perhaps a grassroots movement towards waking up the American sheeple devoted to Eating and Entertainment for a lifestyle? Like guinea pigs in a cage, fed well with a small wheel upon which to entertain themselves. 

Note that the guinea pigs get some exercise … if not mental at least physical.

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By Awi, January 26, 2011 at 2:20 am Link to this comment

The Corporate elites have assumed power and are served by both parties.  Why would anyone vote for either one.  Doing so is self defeating.  It’s like choosing between a slow death and a fast death.  No thanks, I’m not voting for a death party or candidate.  There are other options.

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By cruxpuppy, January 26, 2011 at 12:11 am Link to this comment

fiftygigs, you should check out Raven’s detailed critique in this thread. Party loyalists seem to think their party has the answer, but that’s an illusion. All that’s required of you is your endorsement, which involves pushing a button. So keep pushing the button for “Democrat”, no matter who the candidate is or what he says. And then go do something. I suggest you check out my post earlier, way down the line somewhere if you want to do something that will actually make for real change you an believe in.

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By Morpheus, January 26, 2011 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

Most of us know america is off the track… We need to find a new future, a new vision that works.


**** A New Vision for America ****

Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM

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By David J. Cyr, January 26, 2011 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

“The lazy half of those who get the corporate party’s evil done are called “conservatives” because they conserve their energy, while their energetic activist liberal partners get the greater part done of the evil that liberals and conservatives get done together.”

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By Vulgus Maximus, January 25, 2011 at 10:51 pm Link to this comment
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As one who hails from a long line of Democrats, I can tell you now that I am not
the only one in my family, group, and community who is planning on not voting
for “Barrington” in 2012.  At this stage in the decline of the republic toward an all-
out corporate plutocracy, I am sick of voting least-worst.  I’ll happily sit this one
out.  Obama won’t get the young vote—my kids gave up on him after he dumped
them, he won’t get the so called “progressive” vote—if there are any real
progressives left in America…so, he’s moving further to the right—what the
media call “to the center”—to embrace even more of the crony capitalist class.  On election night, 2012, I’ll be watching the spectacle from my home…the empty
promises seemingly fulfilled either by Barrry or some other right wing moon bat
talking up America, ginning up the vulgus in front of the klieg lights while dining
with the corporate elite, and gutting our country to the core when the camera is
turned off.

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By Mr. Raven, January 25, 2011 at 10:07 pm Link to this comment

Fifty gigs we are fighting Democrats because they only
differ from Republicans in style not substance, if that
isn’t the case the onus is on you to refute the
documented arguments I have presented showing exactly
that in great detail.

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By FiftyGigs, January 25, 2011 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment

This has got to be a new low for this site.

Every Republican in the country has lost their freaking mind—these people, you realize, who have their hands on the levers of power in this country—and you guys are fighting Democrats???

No wonder Nadar got creamed.

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By thebeerdoctor, January 25, 2011 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

I wonder if Mr. Boyarsky meant this to be satire? It certainly is laughable.

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By Mr. Raven, January 25, 2011 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

“So many self- seeming experts ignoring the facts,
and presenting a distorted reality, it’s extremely
frustrating. Their political compasses seem to be
contaminated by a false magnetism.”

The irony here is striking as I and others have
linked to detailed left discussions of specific
policies Obama has promulgated that replicate Bush’s
where as this post is literally nothing but
glittering generalities ungrounded in *any* facts.

Fail!

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By Flummox, January 25, 2011 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

“Contaminated by a false magnetism”, a perfect description of depths to which the Democratic party has fallen. From hiring William Daley to torturing Bradley Manning, the Democrats have their true colors prominently on display.

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By ReasonableStranger, January 25, 2011 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment
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Those who say it can’t be done shouldn’t stand in the
way of those doing it.

Unless you know a better person to run the country,
who’d get elected, stfu and get behind the best option.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 25, 2011 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

So many self- seeming experts ignoring the facts, and presenting a distorted reality, it’s extremely frustrating. Their political compasses seem to be contaminated by a false magnetism.

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By surfnow, January 25, 2011 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

Yeah,Raven I’m one of them who’s angry. I voted for him in the general and in the primary. I won’t vote for him again. But to one of my points, if you think there are not a lot out there who don’t like him because of race, you’re mistaken. And second, I think he may just as well go for it and call the Rethug’s bluff. He’s not likely to be re-elected anyway.

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By fatherbernie, January 25, 2011 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment
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I am not convinced. I have never voted for oligarchy before but I’d prefer the cards to topple sooner than voted for this useless phoney who lied to a nation on every count

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By Mr. Raven, January 25, 2011 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

Do you think Obummer is our friend when it comes to
media consolidation surfnow?  Hint the end of net
neutrality and merger of MSNBC and Comcast have
happened in the last couple of months under Obummer, he
is just more of the same and many people dislike
because of his corporate friendly policies, not because
he is African American.

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By surfnow, January 25, 2011 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

These are the distraction issues created first by the Republicans in 1980 and now used by both parties to get the average moron out there not thinking about what really matters. It works to a large degree because the corporate media is on board with that agenda. Forget FoxNews,how much time a week do you suppose CNN spends on the wars- other than to puff up support- the torturing or the deaths of civilians?  And do you really expect CNN to take climate change seriously when their biggest sponsors are auto makers and oil companies? It begins and ends with the press, or in our case, the lack of it.

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By Mr. Raven, January 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

Tdbach In terms of actual policy the Dims and Repigs
only disagree on two or three issues like abortion,
gun control, and prayer in schools, and these are
endlessly argued over to create an illusion of democracy while BOTH parties support the military
industrial complex and crony capitalism like the bank
and insurance industry bailouts.  I for one refuse to
be distracted by third tier issues like abortion and
gun control while workers, the planet’s ecology, and
third world people under the U.S. military boot heel
get screwed by both parties.  Enough believing kabuki political theater of the culture wars is reality,
while BOTH parties are laughing their way to the
quite literal bank.  Goldman Sach’s was Obummers
second biggest funder and Haliburton funded President
Cheney, enough playing the same tired game of
baseball to use your metaphor where BOTH teams are on
the corporate payroll some of us have left the
stadium and good riddance to it!  I’d rather go bird
watching.

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By steele505, January 25, 2011 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

re “Regarding the accomplishments of a Democratic President and a Democratic Majority, I can’t show you anything, you’re blind. The accomplishments are obvious…”

Typical disinformation posted by some democratic hack who’s fighting for the corporate trough.

Yes, the accomplishments of the Obama administration are obvious. By their fruits you will know them, such as healthcare “reform,” continuing wars for empire, Wall Street bailouts.

If you are still a member of the Democratic Party, consider changing your affiliation to at least Unaffiliated. Why give Democrats a figleaf, a rubberstamp?

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By Mr. Raven, January 25, 2011 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Surfnow Obama is every bit as beholden to corporate
interests as the Repigliecons who fund BOTH parties. 
Why do you think Obama’s policies are so bankster
friendly for example, Goldman Sachs was his second
biggest campaign contributer. 

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?
cycle=2008&cid=n00009638

“Hope” is no substitute for actual policies that help
people and the planet.  In some ways I think we are
actually better off with a Repigliecon in power because then at least maybe some of you nice, nice
Dim party partisans will get out in the streets and
protest endless war and corporate malfeasance. 
Obama’s election set the anti war movement back two
years despite the fact that Obama had MORE troops on
the ground in the middle east than Bush by escalating
in Afghanistan while withdrawing from Iraq the same
speed Bush negotiated.

http://www.alternet.org/story/144449/

It’s the replicated neo-con policy stupid!

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By surfnow, January 25, 2011 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

If your stomach can stand it just visit a conservative website-the National review for example, and peruse a few pieces. The utter contempt that these people hold for Barack Obama is breathtaking ( I suspect with more than a few it is based on racism). And this despite the kowtowing and attempts at conciliation. Obama should just bite the bullet, toughen up and tell these bast**** where to go in word and in action. Odds are he isn’t winning in 2012 anyway, so he may as well go out swinging. It may even cause some independents to gain more respect and change their minds about him.

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By Mr. Raven, January 25, 2011 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ what hundreds of pieces of legislation,
renaming post offices?  The two arguably major
“victories” of Obama health care reform, and
overturning don’t ask don’t tell aren’t worth
fighting for IMO, here is why.

The healthcare “reform” is nothing but a trillion
dollar gift to the insurance industry with no price
caps, that leaves 20 MILLION people still uninsured a
full decade from now according to the governments own
figures cited at Fire Dog Lake (link below). It is
nothing close to the more efficient and just single
payer system in Canada, but rather is a crony
capitalist giveaway.  Crony capitalism *is* perilously close to Mussolini’s fascism:

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/19/fact-
sheet-the-truth-about-the-health-care-bill/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_health
_care_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States

“Fascism operated from a Social Darwinist view of
human relations. Their aim was to promote superior
individuals and weed out the weak.[14] In terms of
economic practice, this meant promoting the interests
of successful businessmen while destroying trade
unions and other organizations of the working class.
[15] Historian Gaetano Salvemini argued in 1936 that
fascism makes taxpayers responsible to private
enterprise, because “the State pays for the blunders
of private enterprise… Profit is private and
individual. Loss is public and social.”[16] Fascist
governments encouraged the pursuit of private profit
and offered many benefits to large businesses, but
they demanded in return that all economic activity
should serve the national interest.[17]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism#Gen
eral_characteristics_of_fascist_economies

Sound familiar under BOTH corporate beholden U.S. political parties?  This really nothing but a
healthcare industry bailout basically the same in
structure to Bush’s TARP bankster bailout, once again
the average U.S. citizen is stuck with the bill from
corporate malfeasance.

As for don’t ask, don’t tell expanding the war crime committing U.S. military does no one any favors, yes
to gay marriage, and public displays of gay love, and
confronting homophobic religious bigots, no to gay
war criminals, or gay mafia members, etc.  Just being
gay doesn’t wash away the blood of U.S. war crimes
but rather makes them appear more p.c. and acceptable
to brainwashed Dim party partisans.

Time for a general strike, support your local co-op
and elect greens locally, the national political
scene is hopelessly corrupted by money.

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By Flummox, January 25, 2011 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

Bill Boyarsky is nothing but a tool used for managing Democratic voter’s opinion, nothing more. One rather misguided poster here labeled him as “a member of a select, elite group”, and I think that sums it up perfectly.

Boyarsky is a member of the “select, elite group” alright, and they are most definitely worse than the Republicans. Worse because, not only under Obama do they now support the policies that were at one time considered far and wide as Bush’s worst excesses, they support these policies under the banner of “progressive” or “liberal democrat”.

I think there really isn’t much difference between them and neo-cons, Straussians who are members of the “select, elite group”, and who now praise Obama’s Bush-affirming policies. They definitely have the same goals, and the neo-cons certainly wouldn’t object to Obama’s incrementalist social policy nonsense.

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By David J. Cyr, January 25, 2011 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

QUOTE (of an avatar… being a painting in many shades of the (D)evious Right’s blue):

“Regarding the accomplishments of a Democratic President and a Democratic Majority, I can’t show you anything…”
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Here’s 3 of the Obamanable Democrats’ greatest accomplishments:

1) Democrats gave massive financial rewards to the greatest of corporate criminals, and financially punished all the millions of people who were their victims.

2) Democrats got near everyone who said they opposed war, back when it was (convenient lie) falsely claimed to be “Bush’s War” to get out to eagerly and excitedly provide a popular vote mandate to make a “dumb” war become “necessary” dumb wars (plural)... surging troops into and droning over Afghanistan, moving on into Pakistan, on their way to war with Iran (a campaign promise kept).

3) Democrats got near everyone who said they wanted America to have its sick system (in the business of profiting from empty promises to pay for medical treatment needed) replaced with a seriously proactive healthcare for all to instead eagerly and excitedly vote to mandate greater profits from greater denial of healthcare (another campaign promise kept).

The Violence of “Nonviolence” :

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=492&Itemid=1

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By Litl Bludot, January 25, 2011 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

Obama’s the good cop.  The openly corporate fascists, the bad cops.  We’re
framed convicts being tortured for confessions.

To put it another way, Obama is a frenemy.  He pretends to be a friend to the
people, but is their enemy.  He pretends to be an enemy of the corporate
fascists, but he is their friend.

Our treasury has been emptied and given to the corporate fascists, and now
we’re asked to give up what’s left of the government that actually helps the
people in the name of “austerity”. Social security and Medicare are next.  The
military and war profiteers have carte blanche.  The internet is on track to be
controlled, monitered, and edited by the corporate fascists.  All peaceful
protests and protesters are now under FBI surveillance and being put on trial for
terrorism.

To advocate the re-election of Obama, the current power pimp, is a complete
abdication of journalistic responsibility, unless that responsiblility is to the the
corporate fascists.  In which case,  Boyarsky is also a frenemy.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 25, 2011 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

ardee

Before I begin, I need to apologize for criticizing your idiotic, counter productive, political perspective. Obviously I struck a nerve with my criticism of your cultish idiocy.

By ardee, January 25 at 12:24 am Link to this comment

“Show me what a Democratic President and a Democratic majority in the Legislature accomplished these last two years. Remember that Bush never had more than 53 Senators yet got everything through except the privatization of Social Security. What campaign promises has Obama fulfilled?”

Regarding the accomplishments of a Democratic President and a Democratic Majority, I can’t show you anything, you’re blind. The accomplishments are obvious and the Republicans are bound and determined to roll back those accomplishments. I’m quite certain that if Nader had had been elected President and had similar accomplishments to tout you would not be blind to them at all. Much to the shame of certain elements of the Democratic Party, and because of political realities at the time, Bush did not face the unified obstruction that Obama and the Democrats had to face. Campaign promises are not promises at all; they are goals that a candidate hopes to accomplish. Political realities often dictate that a candidate’s goals can not be accomplished. The reversal of executive decree regarding the legality of torture by the U.S. may not be significant to you, but it is to me. The democrats passed 100’s of pieces of progressive legislation that died in the Senate.

You continue,

“Political reality as opposed to political change. If one gets war,torture, fascism ( make no bones here, we are certainly in the thrall of corporate control of government) whether Dem or GOP is in power then only those who approve of war, torture and fascism should be voting for either.”

I need not defend myself on the issues of war, torture, and fascism. The first interactions between you and I here on truthdig had to do with my asserting fascism, and your denying fascism. I also do not need to defend my opposition to war and torture, my objections to war and torture have been many and have bordered on being obsessive. Though you wish to portray me as a supporter of these horrific realities, your portrayal is emptier than Nader’s campaign coffers were/are. The issue is not support of these realities; the issue is concerned with the best method of eliminating these realities. What you advocate will effectively turn power over to the worst perpetrators of these horrific realities, and yet you seek to take the moral high ground. Does your hatred of Democrats and love of Nader supersede your common sense, and the desire to end these horrific realities? You yourself have been taken in by, or take advantage of, or practice the fascist propaganda technique of the “Big lie.” The lie that there is no dichotomy between Democrats and Republicans has been told so often that many now believe it, in spite of the huge body of evidence to the contrary.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 25, 2011 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

ardee #2

You continue,

“None so blind as those whose loyalties overwhelm their common sense and their interpretations of events. Name calling won’t disguise the fact that we have gotten the same short shrift from both parties. You are aware of the trite but true definition of insanity. Yet you do exactly that, voting for the same old betrayal.
The facts are rather plain for you to see, yet you do not see them. Voting for Obama is voting for Big Pharma, for BP, for Goldman Sachs, for the continuance of a war that is being fought for profit, that is slaughtering tens of thousands, that is bankrupting our children’s futures. Worse yet, you vote for rendition and for torture.
Castigate those of us who refuse to vote for that particular slate. Insult those who have had enough of the betrayals, enough of the horrific crimes,domestic and foreign, committed in our name. Slander those who understand that there is no way to reform either party and thus understand that, to ensure a better tomorrow, we work to an end that most of us will not live to see.
Your words bother me not, your lack of logic escapes me ,frankly. If you had some concrete plan to change the course of the Democratic Party you have kept it a secret thus far. You state only that there is no alternative to Obama, I say that Obama or whoever the GOP nominates the results are the same. Current events say the exact same thing.
I work proudly for a Party that rejects corporate funding, that rejects war and torture, that looks to a better future, you do not.”

I appreciate your lack of insult. I make no apology for my harsh words, nor do I falsely claim that I am above insulting those who I believe are deserving of insult. If you are not insulting me, and accusing me of being everything from insane to a fascist supporter, then I have misinterpreted your words, but there is no need for you to apologize, I’m unaffected and amused by your blind allegiances. Perhaps voting for a third party that has no conceivable chance of achieving a position of power or of even influencing political power in any but a negative way i.e. serving the electoral ambitions of the Right, over and over again, is an indication of sanity and common sense, but I doubt it. I too hope to see a better world, have you appropriated my words and thoughts? I’m also fairly certain that I will never see the world I hope to see, but I believe that the reform I advocate will be the best method of achieving a better world.

Your deity doesn’t take any money from corporations; he only puts forth a scenario suggesting that the rich could be our salvation. That is of course a rational and concrete suggestion for reform, far more plausible than the direct grass roots action I ascribe to. I’ll suggest that those interested in reform should start reforming, rather than place their allegiance with hopeless political parties, and a noble, but impotent charismatic.

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Much myopic demagoguery has been in play regarding Obama’s alleged sell out to the corporations. Until the Democrats took control of the Congress in 2006, the lion’s share of corporate funding went to the Republicans. In 2008 the Democrats had a slight edge in corporate funding. The reason for this change in funding priorities should be obvious to any person with the least bit of political acuity. Asserting the existence of a quid pro quo is refuted by the facts. Obama has been attacked from every corporate interest from Wall Street to the Chamber of Commerce. Obama criticized the Conservative Supreme Court decision regarding Citizens United in the presence of the Supreme Court and before the entire nation. The impact of the Citizens United decision was obvious during the mid-term elections, or did you miss the plethora of political campaign spots that were financed by hitherto now unknown political organizations, (Front groups.)

There has also been much demagoguery regarding Obama’s “Deal with Big Pharma.” Are you aware of which mega-power contributed the most to defeating “Hilary Care,” proposed by the Clinton Administration during the early 90’s? If Obama was able to de-fang “Big Pharma” in order to pass health care legislation that has been unachievable for a century, and make Health Care coverage accessible to all Americans, then he is to be commended, not vilified. I will not qualify my support for this legislation, it was the best legislation that could be achieved under the current political realities, and if the Democrats become stronger in the future, the current Health Care Legislation will be improved and expanded upon. Short of overwhelming Congressional majorities, a third political party would be faced with the same difficulties and obstructions that the Democrats faced. I suppose that if a coalition between a third party and the Democrats were to become a reality, the political realities would change, but having a Republican President would make such a coalition impotent, and gridlock would be the result. Splitting the Left into factions, or abandoning the Democrats can only lead to regress, and the extinguishing of any rational hope for progress.

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By tdbach, January 25, 2011 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

If there is one theme that is consistent among all the commentaries in this thread, it is: there’s not a short-and-curly hair’s difference between Democrats and the Republicans, Obama and Bush - they all work for the corporate ruling class.

Ah, to be so far out in left field! You’re miles from the stadium. To y’all the whole “game” looks like a dark lump with lights on top! Such is your perspective.

Well, enjoy your anger and bitterness. Enjoy your superior purity. Hold hands and dance around the fire, out there in the blackness of ideals unfettered by reality. But don’t think that your chanting and shouting will affect what goes on in the stadium of state. You’re too distant to be heard.

The funny thing is that your theme is both accurate and utterly wrong. It is accurate to say that they both work for the corporate ruling class. After all, it’s their money that finances elections. To be fair, the leadership of both parties also believes in the value of commerce upon which the ruling class presides. Capitalist systems, in broad terms, produce very rich people, but they also produce a standard of living that no other system in history has been able to match. It’s what makes the industrialized world “first world.”

But there is a huge difference between the centers of each party (not so much between the left wing of the Republicans and the right wing of the Democrats): Republicans think there is nothing wrong with rich people, while Democrats think there is nothing wrong with rich people that regulation and progressive taxation can’t cure.

If you can’t see that difference and see how important the distinction is, well, you’re just too far away – and you will never be satisfied with anything our republic produces. So you might as well get used to it.

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By Leefeller, January 25, 2011 at 5:36 am Link to this comment

Now we see the Real Republicans foaming at the mouth right here on TD, all Obama needs to do is compromise with the Republicans a little more and Obama will be further right than Joe the Lieberman!

What ever happened to the concept of drawing a right line in the sand?

Well, I heard the Democrats and Republicans will be holding hands this week at Obamas new drooling of the year spectacle, this seems to be another step in the RIGHT direction!

Seems like we are all…. Right… now!    What War?

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By Lafayette, January 25, 2011 at 4:50 am Link to this comment

DIRECT DEMOCRACY

cp: Without going into all the sordid details, I’ll just say that if each American were given an opportunity to bypass the Congress and vote directly on major policy issues, the outcome of such votes would reflect good polling and not the policies developed by election fraud, bribery, and pre-selected candidates.

Bingo! Kudos to you!

You have just hit upon the notion of the National Referendum, which is the fourth “equilibrating power” to add to the present triumvirate (Executive, Legislative, Judicial).

Finally, we must trust the Common Sense of the body politic. It is the absolute MUST of any decent democracy. But, of course, to do so would add another element to the political equation. It would diminish the power of the Executive and Legislature. Which is why politicians don’t like referendums.

Moreover, some pundits use the worst instances of state referendums to argue that national referendums would be a disaster. (Proposition 13 out of California comes to mind.)

However, the Swiss have employed them for over 150 years and they have never ever conflicted with the workings of the Swiss government. It is not easy to launch a referendum in Switzerland. To get it on the ballot, a minimum number of signatures (which are verified as bona fide registered voters) must be obtained.

But the impact of referendums is major. It makes party politicians think twice about how they manipulate legislation to suit their (and not our) priorities.

Don’t believe me? I’ve lived/worked in Switzerland ... just ask any Swiss (that you may happen to meet) how they feel about Direct Democracy ...

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By Lafayette, January 25, 2011 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

cp: You have to wonder how it is that the Republicans took a House majority on a promise to get rid of health care reform, when the majority of Americans are in favor of more radical reform that Obama ignored. Polls show this to be true, and yet the House is jammed with unrepresentative representatives.


It’s no wonder, just do the numbers.

The swing-vote that elected Obama stayed away this time around. The Reps where able to do what the Dems did for Obama’s election—get the vote out. Americans were brimming with bitterness because the Dems could not get them our of the economic sh*t in the midst of the worst recession in decades.

Never underestimate the lack of understanding of how an complex economy works and, more importantly, flounders.

Never underestimate how easily apathy can destroy a party’s chances at the polls. Voting is a precious civic duty - but how does one inculcate that key freedom in a bunch of spoiled-brats who’d rather watch/play sports. (Seniors vote, but young voters are off “having a good time”.)

We have met the enemy and he is us.

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By cruxpuppy, January 24, 2011 at 11:50 pm Link to this comment

You have to wonder how it is that the Republicans took a House majority on a promise to get rid of health care reform, when the majority of Americans are in favor of more radical reform that Obama ignored. Polls show this to be true, and yet the House is jammed with unrepresentative representatives.

How many Americans believe we have the best health care system in the world? This is standard pap from those who coined the term “Obamacare”. No majority believes this crap.

Without going into all the sordid details, I’ll just say that if each American were given an opportunity to bypass the Congress and vote directly on major policy issues, the outcome of such votes would reflect good polling and not the policies developed by election fraud, bribery, and pre-selected candidates. We would not have 800 or so military bases around the world. We would not be fighting illegal, imperial wars, we would have a progressive income tax, greater social security benefits, and Wall Street hustlers would be in jail.

Does anyone doubt it?

So the problem is the two party system Mr. Boyarsky seems to cherish as a lamentable reality, which leads him to blather on about the lesser of two evils, the same stale story we hear each election cycle.

The lesser of two evils is still evil, and this Obama creature is evil, a warmongering, civil liberties destroying corporate mouthpiece. He’s a spineless slimeball, in short, and should get the boot based on his naked opportunism.

And who gets elected in his place? Who knows? Another stalking horse for the Democratic Party. Obama can go build his library and party with Bush Jr and Clinton. Boyarsky is stupid to think Social security would be at risk. It’s still the third rail, and no one has touched it yet. They only talk about it. Any extreme libertarian who does mess with it will get fried to a crisp. Believe it.

In the meantime, outside the beltway, there is significant motion for real change in the states. The talk is not about this policy or that policy, this party or that one, it is about power. And where does power come from? Who is elected to Congress? Hell no. Power comes from money. The states, now being driven towards bankruptcy by the powers that be are beginning to fight back by creating their own money power, public state banks.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/WASHINGTON-STATE-JOINS-MOV-by-Ellen-Brown-110124-616.html

Read this brief article and consider what it would mean for each state to have all the credit it needs. It would mean less dependency on Washington and all the fools who strut around that town.

Think about it. Forget Obama. Some other pre-selected ass-hole will rise to the surface of the cesspool and be offered to the public.

Concentrate on your own state, make your own state bank. Whatever steps are taken to lessen the financial control of Washington & Wall Street, which are one and the same, are steps towards a real revolution in this country, a financial revolution. A state bank in every state, or even just a dozen states, is prelude to the overthrow of the shadowy financial powers that now control our lives, our elections, every aspect of this country you care to point to.

Forget Party politics. Get involved in a state banking movement. That is where real control lies. Our corrupt electoral system is just a puppet show put on by the financial controllers who currently rule our lives. Obama never met a rich man he wasn’t willing to fellate.

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By Textynn, January 24, 2011 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment
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We need out candidate now and it’s not Obama. He has sold out his base out like a pimp who picks up young girls in bus stations on the pretense of romantic interest.

We need someone stumping for the values of working people and families now, if for no other reason than to make the Dems realize we CAN go else where.

Working people and families are being destroyed by the GoP and the Nouveau-Right Dems. We’re not falling for it any more. We want a candidate that stands for us and we know Obama knows our pain because he used it to seduce us and we know he cares not because he sold us out.

A candidate for We the People MUST STAND UP NOW.

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By Wikileaks for Nobel, January 24, 2011 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment

The Dems are leading this country into tyranny—check out O’s record vis-a-vis Bush and Cheney’s civil-liberties record.  O’s is worse!

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By nobelforwikileaks, January 24, 2011 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment
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This article is the kind of crap thinking that has brought us, decade after decade, to our present condition:  tyranny looming, our economy in shambles, war an endless fixture of our lives, and our standard of living a joke.  I’ve been politically active more than 40 years, and the same boring line is repeated in an endless loop:  “Now is not the time to try an idealistic adventure.”  Tell that to the idiots in the labor movement, who used to wield real power in our society; now, they are a shadow of what they were when I was a young man…and it wasn’t at all inevitable.  The same dishonest rap about oh, the Republicans will do this and that, is always the same; but you know what—Obama, like all Dems, will roll over for war and Wall Street, so don’t go hoping for change there.  All we are left with is the same mantra of surrender:  “Well, they would be even worse.”  It isn’t easy to build a real alternative, but think what we might have today, if we had worked for it for 40 years, showing the same steadfastness that built the labor movement and brought women the vote and gave us at least the semblance of civil rights in this country.  The Dems are where progressive politics goes to die.

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By samosamo, January 24, 2011 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment

****************

 

I wouldn’t be surprised for o to appoint h, w and dick to some
positions in his administration. That would help complete his
total to turn from his treasonous term a president. And I guess
o could also find a position for old rummy in the pentagon
again if he tried.

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By norman harman, January 24, 2011 at 10:55 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Boyarsky’s article highlights the same lame argument used by Bill Clinton’s
supporters back in “96: “he’s our only hope against the evil Republicans!”

Bull! Obama is a Republican. No more Dems for me, I’m sick of gutless pissants
unable to stand up to the corporate predators. This last week’s shameful
toadying to the Wall Street thieves makes a mockery of Mr. Boyarsky’s
argument.

The spectacle of Obama licking corporate ass was disgusting. The Republicans
must have been creaming in their jeans and laughing their asses off, even while
they continued to call him a “socialist.”

Just watch, after a few big-mouthed but half-hearted attempts at “repealing
Obamacare,” and maybe some minor tweaking, the Repubs will kick back and
follow the directives handed down from their corporate bosses (who stand to
benefit greatly from “Obamcare”) and let the healthcare bill stay right where it
is.

If Mr. Boyarsky believes what he has written, he’s a damn fool and must think
we are too. How many times will the Democratic rank and file accept their
betrayal by a bunch of Dinos before they finally wake up and do something
about it?

If you want your country back from these thieves and shysters then it’s time to
break from the past, abandon the Democratic Party and form a new progressive
party. And we can all start by refusing to vote for corporate-funded elections.

VOTE AGAINST THE MONEY!

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By Aarky, January 24, 2011 at 10:38 pm Link to this comment
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Bill-Your statement was so right on that I can’t improve on it. If the vast majority of posters here are representative of the feelings of voters at large, it’s pretty easy to see why the Republicans gained so many seats in Congress and at State and local levels. Millions of disillusioned and angry Democrats didn’t come out to vote. The WH and the Democratic National Committee are still in their damned bubble, thinking the Republicans won because of lack of jobs.

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By Conden, January 24, 2011 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

The bankrupt, right wing, war criminal, corporatist obama presidency proves that we need to fight hard for an alternative political path in 2012; not the democrats, not the republicans, but something else.  We need a new election system, we need the choice to vote directly on what we really believe in, not choosing between one rich elite loser or another.

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By MeHere, January 24, 2011 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

Frankly, it’s not so much Obama I’m worried about—he’s here today, gone
tomorrow, to be replaced by some other salesman for big interests. My concern is
about people who, like yourself, keep supporting and promoting a dead-end
political vision for the country.

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By Peter Knopfler, January 24, 2011 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

Yes your right Robespierre 115 AS if to say without
OBAMA we could not find our way, I think not OBAMA IS
THE CORPORATE HYPNOTIST mesmerize leave you dumb
founded,left in a coma. Get rid of him send him back to
Indonesia, tell him to get in line and apply for his
citizenship. Chocolate smoothy that you get at Mac
Donalds later you find out that drink is all harmful
chemistry, and causes cancer.But we will shove garbage
down your throat up your butt and in your face. Take
the garbage out America. Freedom of speech or screech.

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By flaco, January 24, 2011 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

Obama and the Democrats have proven to us why they cant be trusted, over and over. How long will it take for so called progressives to give up the lie.

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By - bill, January 24, 2011 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

What you and so many like you fail to realize, MarthaA, is that the primary problem is not the Republicans but the Democrats.

Any progressive and articulate major-party candidate can make mince-meat out of most of the current Republican crazies, because the American public actually wants an impressive spectrum of reasonably progressive legislation enacted once it has been laid out clearly for them.  So the Republicans per se just aren’t much of a threat to progressives.

But the faux Democrats who claim to be ‘for the people’ while vigorously selling them down the river have a hammer-lock on almost everyone to the left of Genghis Khan, by virtue of their “But the Republicans are SCARY!” lesser-evil mantra.  And as long as we let that continue, we’ll continue to get the Democratic trash that we deserve (with occasional doses of Republican trash as well as people become disillusioned with the Dems’ mendacity).

Howard Dean had it precisely correct 8 years ago when he said that FIRST we had to take back the Democratic party and THEN we could take back our country.  We’ve been trying it the other way ‘round since then with disastrous consequences.

So it’s time to kick out the current national Democratic establishment (even if that means letting Republicans take over temporarily) so that we can clean our own house.  Then we’ll be ready to clean the country’s.

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By MarthaA, January 24, 2011 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

The one thing we must not allow to happen is let Republicans get any further, we must push them back, or all the common populace who think they are Republican elite will have a rude awakening, even worse than what would be with President Obama, with President Obama, we aren’t selling our bridges and ports and at least some of the population got health insurance, whereas the Republicans don’t even want that.

And the last thing we want is “blood libel” whiner.

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By Mike789, January 24, 2011 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

km0591 [If McCain/Palin were elected, things would have been a lot worse, but the responsibilities would have been better defined and the opposition would have had the chance to coalesce within the Democratic party.]

I’ve entertained the idea that a Repub. win would have been a more convincing argument for the laissez-faire economic failure in that the perps would have to clean up the excrement they caused. There ought to be a movie. LOL Just wtf would they have done? Where’s the popcorn?

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By Rosa Luxemburg, January 24, 2011 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

screw that Bill. morbid curiosity anyone? Palin 2012!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNUfDYGUueE

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By ardee, January 24, 2011 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment

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.... but Boyarsky has opened himself up for a barrage of criticism and insult coming from the overwhelming majority of petulant and irrational commenters here at truthdig, from the Left and Right, who believe that a preference for Democrats over Republicans is an unforgivable offense, actual facts be damned.

You have been insulted and your positions dismissed, so I will try not to do such, trying another tack.

Show me what a Democratic President and a Democratic majority in the Legislature accomplished these last two years. Remember that Bush never had more than 53 Senators yet got everything through except the privatization of Social Security. What campaign promises has Obama fulfilled?

Petulance and insults aside, I personally believe that criticisms of Obama and the Democrats are well founded, but the facts are what they are, and the political realities are what they are.

Political reality as opposed to political change. If one gets war,torture, fascism ( make no bones here, we are certainly in the thrall of corporate control of government) whether Dem or GOP is in power then only those who approve of war, torture and fascism should be voting for either.

I’ll offer my belief is that these blanket condemnations of Democrats come from partisan third party advocates, or iconoclastic radical ideologues, or those who are simply cynical and nihilistic at their core.

None so blind as those whose loyalties overwhelm their common sense and their interpretations of events. Name calling won’t disguise the fact that we have gotten the same short shrift from both parties. You are aware of the trite but true definition of insanity. Yet you do exactly that, voting for the same old betrayal.

The facts are rather plain for you to see, yet you do not see them. Voting for Obama is voting for Big Pharma, for BP, for Goldman Sachs, for the continuance of a war that is being fought for profit, that is slaughtering tens of thousands, that is bankrupting our children’s futures. Worse yet, you vote for rendition and for torture.

Castigate those of us who refuse to vote for that particular slate. Insult those who have had enough of the betrayals, enough of the horrific crimes,domestic and foreign, committed in our name. Slander those who understand that there is no way to reform either party and thus understand that, to ensure a better tomorrow, we work to an end that most of us will not live to see.

Your words bother me not, your lack of logic escapes me ,frankly. If you had some concrete plan to change the course of the Democratic Party you have kept it a secret thus far. You state only that there is no alternative to Obama, I say that Obama or whoever the GOP nominates the results are the same. Current events say the exact same thing.

I work proudly for a Party that rejects corporate funding, that rejects war and torture, that looks to a better future, you do not.

 

Over the course of my life, I’ve been confronted by sages who have pointed out that, “The world isn’t fair,” my response has always been, and continues to be, yes, but it should be. I long for a world where less charismatic, but more intelligent, principled, honest, and humane politicians would be the political front runners, but that world doesn’t presently exist.

Because those like you refuse to honstly work towards that goal.

I’ll continue to advocate for the only viable more idealistic, well meaning, but misguided, political option over a well meaning, callous, fallacious pragmatism that not only seeks to perpetuate inhumane behaviors, but also seeks to escalate inhumane behaviors.

This is flowery rhetoric that is ,at heart, a lie.Your party is exactly the opposite of what you claim it to be, read a damn newspaper. The most progressive are no longer Democrats.

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By tp, January 24, 2011 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment
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The Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin Moves to Create Single-Payer Healthcare System in his State.


Did Obama even put Single-Payer Healthcare on the table? NO!


It seems the only advisory he chooses are extreme right wing adversaries to Democrats. He is bought lock stock and barrel by Wall street Corporations and Banksters donors.


I wouldn’t stand by Obama because he didn’t stand by the people. He stood up for war, torture, the Banksters, the republicans in general and Insurance companies. It seems he is promoting austerity measures on us(the smucks whose roots did all the work building this country and or now getting little of the benefit). After giving the wealthiest people an extension of the Bushit Tax cuts he wants to stick us with a 13 trillion dollar bill that was a give away to the wealthy crooks.


Yes we can????


= No we don’t!!!——- No more compromising.


Hell I’ll vote for the Beer Doc or any body else before I’d throw another vote away on Obama. I’d rather give it all to the GOP straight out rather than agonizing over the next 4 years hoping he will do something for us. Allowing him to continue doling out money to the banks and Tax breaks to the wealthiest is insane. Clearly the banks should’ve been nationalized. The wealthiest already own most of the assets in this country.


If Obama was reaching across party lines he’d be reaching back only to get our votes.


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By adc14, January 24, 2011 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

Had Obama insisted on getting the Public Option when he had momentum and large majorities in both houses, we wouldn’t be having this repeal nonsense going on now. Instead, he capitulated early in the game, let the proceedings drag on through the August recess and helped draft a bill cumbersome, complex,  insurance industry friendly,and devoid of cost controls. I’m certain not more than a handful of congress critters even read this magnum opus and even fewer Americans are familiar with its few positive attributes. On top of this, most of the rules were designed to be implemented in 2014! Medicare and Social Security are popular because people receive TANGIBLE benefits. Even the most rabid senior citizen right-winger would be loath to return his SS check or give-up his Medicare benefits. Truth is, Obama owns this mess. When you fail to get it right the first time, you invite trouble. LBJ was right—let’s pass Medicare now while we have the momentum—we can worry about paying for it later.

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By - bill, January 24, 2011 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

“If you knew theh what you know now, would you actually have voted for McCain/Palin?”

Nope - I’d still have voted for Nader.

For a while I subscribed to the theory that electing Obama was a good thing, because without him and his strong Democratic Congressional majorities we wouldn’t have had such clear, incontrovertible proof of just how corrupt and useless the national Democratic establishment was.  But since so many (including the author of this article) still have their eyes tightly shut and continue to chant “Lesser of two evils!” with all the fervent belief of the Jim Jones congregation I’m not so sure of that any more - perhaps we would have been better electing McCain/Palin on the off-chance that a real Democrat would have run in 2012.

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By de profundis clamavi, January 24, 2011 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

From what I can see of the way “mainstream” Americans think, they seem to be incapable of connecting one thing with another, such as

- if the Republicans are allowed to have their way and abolish Medicare, Grandma probably couldn’t afford health care. Either she would die, or she and her family would go bankrupt trying to pay her hospital and drug bills.

- if the Republicans are allowed to have their way and abolish Social Security, Grandma probably couldn’t afford to pay her rent, food or heating bills. If she had a pension, she’s probably lost it already or will lose it thanks to Republican-sponsored bankuptcy “reform” that lets corporations reorganize and acquire each other, generating huge fees for Wall Street investment bankers and lawyers while defrauding workers of their pension rights.

- if the Republicans are allowed to have their way and replace public schools with vouchers for private charter schools, the vouchers will be inadequate to pay for a decent education, and people will have to pay more out of their pockets, if they have more to spend.

- if the Republicans are allowed to have their way and invade Iran, while escalating the wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Yemen, it will be necessary to reintroduce the draft and massive spending will be required. Since tax increases on the rich are unthinkable, the money will have to come from a combination of borrowing (from the same rich people who we’re afraid to tax) and cutting all other federal spending besides military.

I think the average American middling sort of person just doesn’t comprehend how all of this would affect him or her personally. They think as long as they still have their own jobs, their own homes, and they can still fill up their fuel tanks, everything is OK. They are incapable of seeing how broader policy issues affect them already, and threaten to affect them catastrophically.

I don’t think they will comprehend just how destructive the Republican agenda is until they experience its effects as individuals - by suffering unemployment, homelessness, untreated sickness and perhaps starvation. I think the average American today is as blind to the consequences of their political choices, or political apathy, as was the average German in 1930. After the Germans experienced the catastrophic consequences of the political ideology they had embraced, a new generation came to their senses. As a culture, the Germans learned their lesson. 

It would be nice if the masses of middle of the road Americans were capable of exercising judgment beyond the comforting messages they are told by our corporate propaganda industry. It would be nice if they could see that America is not, today, “the Greatest Country in the World” in any way that relates to their welfare, happiness, opportunity or security. It would be nice if they could see that unless somehow, we can find a way to confront, discredit and defeat the corporate oligarchy, then we are all doomed to be their subjects in a new feudal system.

It would be nice if Barack Obama was a leader with the moral courage to recognize and say out loud that there must be a reckoning between the People and the Corporate Oligarchy, but he seems to have chosen instead to pursue a comfortable career under the sponsorship of those very corporations.

Instead, Obama has stacked his cabinet with corporate insiders and he promotes corporate friendly, people-toxic policies. His presidency will not prevent the onset of corporate feudalism, and is hardly even delaying it.

I don’t agree that only an Obama victory in 2012 can save us from national catastrophe. I think the only thing that can save us is the people’s awareness of what is at stake, and it seems that they won’t know what they’ve got ‘til it’s gone.

So let them keep reading their Ayn Rand books and parading around with their “Don’t tread on me” banners. Like the Germans in 1930, the only way they will learn is through tragedy.

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By Mr. Raven, January 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

Continued:

9. Obama’s crushing of government whistleblowers of
U.S. War crimes and other government malfesance like
wikileaks:

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/17/wikileaks_whist
leblowers

10. Assassination orders against American Citizens
overseas:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/201
0/04/07/assassinations

11. Support for expanding Bush’s Unconsitutional
surveillance of American citizens:

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-
keating/internet/obama-aims-to-wiretap-skype-
facebook-blackberry-the-e…

12. Health insurance reform that is a giveway of a
trillion taxpayer dollars to the big insurance
companies that broke the system in the first place
with no price caps:

http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files/2010/03/mythfa
ctshcr-2.pdf

13. FBI raids on antiwar activists:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100928/ap_on_re_us/us_fb
i_raid_terrorism

14. Vastly expanded TSA mandate that violates the 4th
amendment.

http://www.refinery29.com/stick-it-to-tsa-body-scans-
with-these-shirts-containing-a-hidden-message.php

15. Cave on fighting for progressive tax cut

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/dec2010/taxe-
d08.shtml

16. Make illegal indefinite detention of prisoners of
wars peranent after lying about closing down
Guantanamo:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/12/22-5

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/12/22-7

17. Cave on net neutrality after promising to fight
for it:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/12/22-0

See also:

http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html

http://ia700107.us.archive.org/21/items/PaulStreet-
TheEmpiresNewClothesTalkAtEncuentro58252010/Stre

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By Mr. Raven, January 24, 2011 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

continued:

5. The continuation of a prison camp that tortures in
gross violation of the Geneva conventions just like
Bush:


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,650324,00.h
tml


http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/51564


6. Continuation of of Bush’s TARP program to transfer
money from the poor and middle class to unaccountable
banksters rather than helping the mainly African
American victims of sub prime loans?


http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Economy/story?
id=6626721&page=1


http://www.detroitnaacp.org/civilrights/predatory.asp

 


7. The appointment of industry insiders in the
industry that supported Obama in the Campaign shades
of Cheney and Halliburton:


http://www.helium.com/items/1813307-goldman-sachs-ties-to-
the-ob…

 

 

8. Obama’s support for “clean coal,” nuclear power
and the first offshore oil drilling in 20 years which
was only halted with a moratorium after the
disastrous Gulf oil spill:


http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/02/obama-defends-clean-
coal…

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/16/obama.nuclear.power/i
ndex…

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/science/earth/01energy.htm
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By Mr. Raven, January 24, 2011 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

And the documentation to my above comment:

Obama is as bad as
Bush, here is the documented record from left
sources:

1. The escalated wars even compared to overt war
criminal Bush?


http://www.alternet.org/world/144449/obama_far_outdoes_bush_
in_e…

 

 

2. The continuation of the abrogation of Habeas
Corpus just like Bush?


http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/04/11
/bagram

 


3. The continuation of military tribunals just like
Bush:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2010/03/04/...

 


4. The continuation of rendition to countries that
torture just like Bush:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/target-of-obama-
era-ren…

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By Mr. Raven, January 24, 2011 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

Your most profound columnist at Truthdig Chris hedges
has correctly balled Obama as more a brand than
anything, how anyone can be fooled by this corporate
toady brand at this point is quite frankly amazing.
Obama has done nothing but put a good spin on Bush’s
horrendous policies.  I notice BTW that Obamabots
never delve into specific policy and always stick to
the level of feel good platitudes.

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By km0591, January 24, 2011 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

Maani, I would have voted for McCain/Palin and I will tell you why. 

Before Obama came to office there was a building opposition to Republican policies in the Democratic base.  Since Obama has taken office, he has simply succeeded at placing the Democratic brand and responsibility on continuing Bush era policies.  His unprincipled get a deal at any price has disabled any real opposition to the Republican agenda from coalescing in the Democratic party.  Both parties and their leadership have placed all their chips now on neocon/neoliberal/free market orthodoxies.  We are screwed.

If McCain/Palin were elected, things would have been a lot worse, but the responsibilities would have been better defined and the opposition would have had the chance to coalesce within the Democratic party.  The political will for real reform could have developed. I do not know if that would have happened, it may not have, but, whatever, any chance of that is completely all gone now, there remains no possibility of functional change within the current system.  All that is left is pathetic attempts by Boyarsky and others to salvage the liberal establishments final betrayal of any hope for progressive change.

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By let down american, January 24, 2011 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment
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vote Nader enough said.

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By Maani, January 24, 2011 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

I have a simple question for all of you:

If you knew theh what you know now, would you actually have voted for McCain/Palin?

The question is rhetorical.  You would not.  and for good reason.  Because no matter how big a failure Obama has been (and his failure is being wildly overexaggerated, even by liberals), his presidency is EDEN compared to what we would have seen under McCain and Palin.

I think the point Boyarsky is tacitly making is that, sadly, truly sadly, the “lesser of two evils” is still a better choice than the greater evil.

I am all for third-party and independent candidates.  But if forced to choose between Obama and ANY Republican candidate, I know where my vote will go.

Peace.

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By democratz.org, January 24, 2011 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

A message of hope for Liberals and Progressives in America. http://www.hoflink.com/~dbaer/speech1-22-2011.wmv


Protest the companies that give money to conservatives in both parties. These companies fund conservatives and allow conservatives to inflict punishment on the less fortunate so let us hold those companies accountable by boycotting them until we get the legislation we want.

Sign this petition at http://WWW.DEMOCRATZ.ORG if you want to get congress to enact a $10 an hour minimum wage, The Employee Free Choice act, a real prescription drug benefit for Medicare in part B, an End to 2 expensive wars, a single payer government health insurance plan, Tier 5 unemployment benefits extension and the women’s freedom of choice act into law. Post this message on facebook groups, pages and profiles. Thank you.

After you sign this petition Join the the facebook page at

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Then you can click on a link called suggest to friends.  Select every friend you have and yes it will send it to every one of your friends you select to invite to the group which will tell them to go to this petition and sign it.

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By Patri, January 24, 2011 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, Mr. Boyarsky, I refuse to fight for Obama again.  He has betrayed every promise he made during his campaign.  He has turned his back on the American People and embraced Wall Street with every fiber of his being.  There is no difference between him and the Republicans.  We need to look elsewhere if we want a Democrat in the White House.  We voted in 2008 for a Democrat; instead we got Reagan/Bush Redux. You should take a moment to read Michael Brenner’s article “Barak Obama—Out of the Closet, the link is:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-brenner/barack-obama-out-of-the-c_b_813027.html

Brenner tells it like it is with this ersatz Messiah.  Obama will allow the Republicans to do whatever they wish over the next two years, so giving us the “skinny” on Ryan is just more of Obama-style baloney.  The Dems are already talking about a vote being likely in the senate to repeal Healthcare—and BO will do all he can to help that along just as he has been helping the Republicans get all they want for the past two years and calling it “bipartisanship”—that’s code for “Ilove you Repubs, I love you Reagan, and W, well you’re my truest and bluest BFF. Thanks for all you’ve done that allows me to do all I do.”  Obama is our collective heartbreak.  I choose now to look for another partner in this relationship!

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By glider, January 24 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment
“JDmysticDJ,
And what you and your ilk have wrought is precisely what you continue to promote. Ever more moving further far rightwing because it is the lesser of the two evils sponsored by the Corportocracy. Count me out of your “democracy”.  Yeah, Nader was the horrible evil threatening the precious progress we are now witnessing from your Obama corporate tool.  Go ahead and feel proud of your “accomplishment” dumbshit.  Never dream or demand anything decent and worthwhile.  Accept the meager offerings given and just shut up, right?  I say vote 3rd party as what we got ain’t worth a damn.  Enjoy your “bipartisanship” with Mitch McConnell if that is what pleases you, but don’t tell anyone there is no other option than to kiss the boots of your executioner!”

Glider does your nasty petulance signify a realization that what you advocate will cause a takeover by the Right, rather than slow the shift to the Right? Shit stinks, but maybe you haven’t noticed because that is the odor that emanates from you and surrounds you. The lesser of two evils! HELL NO! I’ll take the greater of evils, that’ll teach the lesser of evils not to be so evil, is what you say. Idiots like you are nihilistic and narcissistic, thinking that adhering to an impossible dream is somehow preferable to making rational choices. Let me suggest that you refrain from hurling vile insults, and focus on making cogent arguments against policies you disagree with, you’ll be more effective at making the lesser of evils less evil that way.

Thank you for verifying what I have asserted regarding you and your ilk. You effectively seek bi-partisanship with the greater of evils, in order to destroy the lesser of evils. Good plan, good luck with that. You’ll put us deeper, “Way Down in the Hole.”

“Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy”? “No Malia, stupid nasty glider, his ilk, and the bad people are making the hole deeper.”

You and your ilk hate Boyarsky, for the same reason the ignorant hate Liberals, Liberals are better informed, more logical, and more intelligent; some people resent that fact vociferously, and stupidly.

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By Bird48, January 24, 2011 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment

I knew a year ago when they passed this POS insurance bailout bill that we would be hearing about it nonstop as a great accomplishment of Obama and his corporate crony Dems. This has nothing to do with health care! Only in this screwed up bought-and-sold country would insurance be called the same as care.

If the author can’t come up with a better argument than this “...competition hopefully driving the cost down.”, then his entire defense of this abomination of a bill is just horse pucky. Tell me this—when did competition ever drive down the price of anything in this greedy nation? Especially when the monopoly of insurance has no public competition and they are going to receive millions more customers who must purchase a product with no price controls.

Since this is the crowning achievement of Obama there is no reason to keep him around and let him continue his illegal wars and selling out the American people to the highest bidder. He’s nothing but a shill for the corporations that fund him.

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By psickmind fraud, January 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

Apparently Boyarsky either failed to notice that Obamacorp’s healthcare plan benefitted no one more than the insurance industry, mandating 31 million new customers for them at approximately $80 billion a year.  Did Boyarsky also fail to notice that Obamacorp replaced Wall Street with Wall Street on his cabinet?

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By mitchum22, January 24, 2011 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

Fuck you, Bill. Go lay down and die by yourself.

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By df, January 24, 2011 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment
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Does the author read the rest of this website?  I do, I wouldn’t miss any of Chris Hedges or Robert Scheer, who both point out Obama’s capitulations and incremental differences with the republicans.  Mr. Scheer, besides you + Hedges this website is lame.

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By MarthaA, January 24, 2011 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

The American Populace definitely don’t want Republicans, but somehow Republicans got into the Middle Class House of Representatives, of all places, and it is, short of total ignorance and fraud, because President Obama has stuck his nose up the Republicans and the Republican Lite DLC’s arse so far it is really difficult to tell the difference between the two political parties.  Being a liberal,  I won’t ever vote Republican and the only way I will vote for President Obama again is if there is no other for which to vote, because his representation of the American Populace has too much to be desired, to the extent that Republicans now hold the House, against the best interest of the American Populace having living wage jobs, health care, and the nation’s infrastructure being repaired, instead of sold off to the highest bidder in some other country, which is the Republican way.

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By John, January 24, 2011 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment
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Enough with Republicans versus democrats. There is little difference between them. They fight to see who can do the bidding of their backers, the immoral corporate tyrannies that put profits over people.  The republicans led a repeal of Obama’s health care to appeal to their base of racist nuts knowing full well that it will be defeated in the Sentate since the insurance and drug industries actually benefitted from the legislation. It makes little difference which party is in office; illegal spying, war, torture, the murder of civilians, and the blocking of democratic movements goes on from one administration to the next. It’s time to name the real monster.

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By steele505, January 24, 2011 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

New boss same as the old boss.
If you haven’t yet gone down to the court house and changed your party affiliation, there is no time like now.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/where_liberals_go_to_feel_good_20110124/

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