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Posted on Feb 17, 2010

By E.J. Dionne, Jr.

If you want to be honest, face these facts: At this moment, President Barack Obama is losing, Democrats are losing and liberals are losing.

Who’s winning? Republicans, conservatives, the practitioners of obstruction and the tea party.

The two immediate causes for this state of affairs are a single election result in Massachusetts, and the way the United States Senate operates. What’s not responsible is the supposed failure of Obama and the Democrats to govern as “moderates.”

Pause to consider where we would be if a Democrat had won January’s Massachusetts Senate race. In all likelihood, health reform would be law, Democrats could have moved on to economic matters, and Obama would be seen as shrewd and successful.

But that’s not what happened, and Republican Scott Brown’s victory revealed real weaknesses on the progressive side: an Obama political apparatus asleep at the switch, huge Republican enthusiasm unmatched by Democratic determination, and a focused conservative campaign to discredit Obama’s ideas, notably his economic stimulus plan and the health care bill.

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The Obama administration argues that both the stimulus and the health bill are better than people think. That’s entirely true, and this is actually an indictment—it means that on the two big issues of the moment, Republicans and conservatives are winning an argument they should be losing.

The dreadful Senate is a major culprit here, and that’s why Sen. Evan Bayh’s complaints in explaining his retirement rang partly true, but also partly false. What’s true is that the Senate isn’t working. What’s false is that there is no room for moderation. The fact is that the legislative outcomes on both the stimulus and health care were driven by moderates.

Economists agree that the stimulus worked, but Senate moderates made it less effective by shrinking its size and including irrelevancies—notably $70 billion to fix the alternative minimum tax—that did little to create jobs. The moderates got their way because the stimulus needed 60 votes, an absurd standard now that we have an ideologically polarized, parliamentary-style party system. We can waste time mourning that development, or we can recognize it and act accordingly.

On health care, months of delay in a futile quest for Republican support got the Democrats the worst of all worlds. The media gave them no credit for reaching out to the other side but did blame them for an ugly, gridlocked process.

The demands of moderate Democrats for concessions—remember the politically lethal Nebraska payoff for Sen. Ben Nelson?—made the process look even seamier. The bill’s conservative opponents shrewdly focused on such side issues and on made-up issues like the “death panels.”

Nobody wants to admit that on health care the moderates won all the big fights. Single-payer was out at the start. The public option died. A Medicare buy-in died. The number of Americans who would be covered shrank. The insurance companies held on to their antitrust exemption. If a bill eventually becomes law—as it must if the Democrats are not to look like a feckless, useless lot—the final proposal will be much closer to the moderate Senate version than to the more progressive bill passed by the House.

And if the Republicans refuse to cooperate, this will not mean that the bill isn’t moderate. It will mean only that Republicans refuse to vote for a moderate bill.

But even if all the media talk about the “failure of moderation” is nonsense, this doesn’t get liberals or Obama off the hook.

While liberals were arguing about public plans and this or that, and while Obama was deep into inside deal-making, the conservatives relentlessly made a straightforward public case based on a syllogism: The economy is a mess. Obama and the Democrats are for big government. Big government is responsible for the mess. Therefore the mess is the fault of Obama and the Big Government Democrats.

Simplistic and misleading? Absolutely. But if liberals and Obama are so smart, how did they—or, if you prefer, “we”—allow conservatives to make this argument so effectively? Why do the mainstream media give it so much credence?

Of course, I think the conservatives’ argument is wrong. But at this point, I have to admire their daring and discipline. Moderate and progressive Democrats alike have eight months between now and this fall’s elections to change the terms of the debate and prove they can govern. Otherwise, they’ll be washed out by a tidal wave.

E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is ejdionne(at)washpost.com.

© 2010, Washington Post Writers Group


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By ofersince72, May 22, 2010 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

Don’t worry yourself Waco Willy,
I gone, there are no solutions offered on the internet,
just a bunch of bickering and definetly few with a
sense of humor.

lock and load, later

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By MarthaA, February 22, 2010 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

Democrats have no real competition, without fraud.  Republicans have based everything on propaganda and sophism, possibly fraud as they did when George W. Bush, a known alcoholic, was appointed President.

News Corp.‘s Rupert Murdoch’s man, Glenn Beck, is an alcoholic, who admits to not being educated, but still is allowed by News Corp.‘s Rupert Murdoch to undermine liberals and socialism for profit.  Palin is the same.  It’s a Republican News Corp. “Quisp” and “Quake” political deception.

Here is Glenn Beck “Confessing his past dire drinking problem, Beck insists that “progressives are a cancer eating the Constitution,” and conservatives must experience “the shame of being wrong.”

“Like all of us, Beck is entitled to his personal narrative, and to use it any way he pleases. But to put the lexicon of a life-saving program into the service of Rupert Murdoch’s quest to grab all the marbles for himself and his heirs — well, that’s just venal.”—Adele Stan

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By dihey, February 22, 2010 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

No surprise to me because this will happen again when voters overdose on hope.

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By ofersince72, February 22, 2010 at 1:36 am Link to this comment

there are many reasons to feel hoplessness about
effecting politcal change. A few, as all well know,
are the media and money and power. From both the
right and the left there are calls for radical change
being mostly ignored by the lawmakers. Those in
control have the media, money ,and being redundant,
the power.
They are able to use sensationalism to evoke anger on
liberalism with these tools at hand, this serves well
getting the undereducateds anger in the direction
they want to steer it.  Even if the left had some
of these tools at their disposal, they usally are
above using fraud and sensationalism, and haven’t
yet figured a way to reach the tea bag mentality. I
fault the left for this.
So demonstration and public disobedience are about
the only tools liberals have to change from a
totalitarian state. The trouble with this, unless
the whole populace is aware that this is occuring
they are useless tools, the only effectivness comes
with media coverage, so those tools are screwed.
We have seen in the past decade anti-war demonstrations as large in numbers as most of the
anti-draft demonstrations of the sixties, yet I
know of no one that even knows they go on.  I check
in this red area, not a soul knows about them.
We already know the election process doesn’t work.
It is futile to even believe political change will
occur by elections.
We as a public have ignored several election cycles
to long for them to be even considered.
Progressive or Liberal leaders have no way to reach
the public, strikes would probably be effective but
no way for them to get organized because the message
doesn’t get out.
Thus teabagseverywhere.

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By Peetawonkus, February 21, 2010 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

canyon critter
We take Democrats out behind the woodshed for the simple reason we don’t think they’re Liberal enough. You’re so stupid you’re choking on your own bile. Here’s a Bible verse, moron. “It’s easier for a camel to pass through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to enter Heaven.” Take your retard teabagger bullshit and go clean your gun while looking down the barrel.

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By canyon critter, February 21, 2010 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment
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marthaA u should stop using that stuff. lets get rid of the head corpretist oboma he’s owned by leman-saccs then let get rid of the others barney frank,diane feinstein,nancy pelosi, cris dodd and many others. all democrats all gazzillionaires. if you think the demoncrats are looking out for your best interest you are probably on drugs. here is a bible verse for you though shall not covet they neighbors possessions. why do you care so much that you think rich people are not paying their fare share? rich people pay almost all the taxes.  how much do you pay? how much is your fair share? Im not complaining I only paid $46.00 in federal tax. i dont care what the rich pay, although most. step away from your computer and stop complaining. if your at home have enough time to be blogging on this site you have it to good. this site willnot publish this article because it is to much truth. they willnot even let me register!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ardee, February 21, 2010 at 4:58 am Link to this comment

Peetawonkus, February 20 at 5:26 pm #


.....Right. And just before that, angels riding unicorns will cross rainbow bridges to bring us all sacks of Godiva chocolate.

Such imagery, I cant wait to see that! Well written and pretty accurate assumption as well.

Martha
You post a one liner,“democrats are winning”. Winning by losing an election, winning by the coming reduction of seats in Congress? Winning by failing , with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, to pass any significant legislation? Winning, by having a member in the White House who continues the policies of George Bush with respect to torture, widening the war, appointing of hide bound conservative lackeys of Wall Street, and winning by closing the door on the illegalities of the previous administration….among numerous other such “winning” strategies.

I must say you have a strange notion of winning.

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By MarthaA, February 20, 2010 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

The Economic Elite Have Engineered an Extraordinary Coup, Threatening the Very Existence of the Middle Class

by David DeGraw - AlterNet http://www.alternet.org/story/145667/the_economic_elite_have_engineered_an_extraordinary_coup,_threatening_the_very_existence_of_the_middle_class

The economic elite have robbed us all. The amount of suffering in the United States of America is literally a crime against humanity. We all have very strong differences of opinion on many issues. However, like our founding fathers before us, we must put aside our differences and unite to fight a common enemy.

It has now become evident to a critical mass that the Republican and Democratic parties, along with all three branches of our government, have been bought off by a well-organized Economic Elite who are tactically destroying our way of life. The harsh truth is that 99 percent of the U.S. population no longer has political representation. The U.S. economy, government and tax system is now blatantly rigged against us.

Current statistical societal indicators clearly demonstrate that a strategic attack has been launched and an analysis of current governmental policies prove that conditions for 99 percent of Americans will continue to deteriorate. The Economic Elite have engineered a financial coup and have brought war to our doorstep…and make no mistake, they have launched a war to eliminate the U.S. middle class.

To those who feel I am using extreme rhetoric, I ask you to please take a few minutes of your time to hear me out and research the evidence put forth. The facts are there for the unprejudiced, rational and reasoned mind to absorb. It is the unfortunate reality of our current crisis.

Unless we all unite and organize on common ground, our very way of life and the ideals that our country was founded upon will continue to unravel.

The mainstream news media will numb us to this horrifying reality by endlessly talking about the latest numbers, but they never piece them together to show you the whole devastating picture, and they rarely show you all the immense individual suffering behind them. This is how they “normalize the unthinkable” and make us become passive in the face of such a high causality count.

Behind each of these numbers, is a tremendous amount of misery; the physical toll is only outdone by the severe psychological toll. Anyone who has had to put off medical care, or who couldn’t get medical care for one of their family members due to financial circumstances, can tell you about the psychological toll that is on top of the physical suffering. Anyone who has felt the stress of wondering how they were going to get their child’s next meal or their own, or the stress of not knowing how they are going to pay the mortgage, rent, electricity or heat bill, let alone the car payment, gas, phone, cable or Internet bill.

There are now well over 150 million Americans who feel stress over these things on a consistent basis. Over 60 percent of Americans now live paycheck to paycheck.

These are all basic things every person should be able to easily afford in a technologically advanced society such as ours. The reason we struggle with these things is because the Economic Elite have robbed us all. This amount of suffering in the United States of America is literally a crime against humanity.

http://www.alternet.org/story/145667/the_economic_elite_have_engineered_an_extraordinary_coup,_threatening_the_very_existence_of_the_middle_class

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

Nope,  been workin long time onit
I believe aour ole republic is now

<><>{}{}[][]**BEYOND POLITCAL FIX**[][]{}{}<><>

FOR TOTALITARIANISM IS WHAT IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

and anyone who buys into that
inverted TOTALITARIANISM line of crap
for it is what it is

Someone trying to put fluff around TOTALITARIANISM
so everyone may

<>><><>===*** F E E L   G O O D ***===<><><>

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By Peetawonkus, February 20, 2010 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72,
We’re pretty horrible. I knew it was bad but I didn’t know it was that bad.

You got any solutions behind all that finger pointing?

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

it is me and you

and everyone that fits the shoe

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

you

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By Peetawonkus, February 20, 2010 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72,
Wow. That “you” you write about sure is a rotten SOB. Those are a lot of crimes to hang like a rotten chicken around that nogoodnik’s neck.

Who is “you”, by the way?

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

and who knows how much funny money the dems
secretly fund into this website..got any idea.
i don’t, bet its there.

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By Basoflakes, February 20, 2010 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

“Third Party today, Third Party tomorrow, Third Party foeva.”

Chief Boy George

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

but you can “feel good” because they
gave you some one to blame, bushy,  and you will
fall for the bush root of all evil..but really you
know he isn’t.  that evil has been here with the
dems and the pubs since forever and ever.
but you feel good,  you blogged. then you voted
for what you blogged against. but it padded ur
conscience

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

you care little about change, just appearance
while more nuk pwr coming ur way tks to gore
and the dems
but you can feel good about ur self
u voted for a first,  you thought, he not a first
but another in a long line since 1776 that has
posed their will on others to steal from them, shoot
them if they protest this theivery, rape the land
some more while they are dumping duponts waste
vote for this it doesn’t matter, you feel good you
voted for the minority man. that shot a double
middle finger in your face for doing so while his
golden tongue rationalized more of his dirty deeds

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

but you won’t
for reasons not worth discussing
but you really don’t want ur lifestye to change
but you want to talk sweet, caring,
as long as it doesn’t affect you , or your cell phone
or your petro
and still have the best looking lawn in neiborhood
with monsanto products
you like to talk cake and ice cream,
while living the american lie, and more lies
because you down deep know the answer to this…
how do americans live one of worlds highest standerd
of living and leisure lifestyle while being the
world’s largest debtor nation…you know the answer
but deny it…so you go to a peace rally to make
yourself “feel good” while your vote produces rape
murder and pillage some more,  but you feel good
cause you attended the rally yesterday, wrote ur
congressman, blogged on Dig, that has paid bloggers
from both parties spewing “feel good” propaganda
as the money rolls in to their banks as a thousand
more young blacks get jailed, our inner cities look
like a war zone, colleges turn out economic midgets
jobs no where cause of dems and pubs getting paid
big bucks to ship jobs over there and break the back
of labor that for some silly reason their leaders
dump wasted money into their campaign, corrupt labor
leaders, corrupt lobbyists, corrupt lawmakers,
corrupt industry leaders corrupt bankers, lawlessness
not jailed because they are “white” collar.
all this cause of money paid to cap hill who represent not you not ever….
as the drones do what they do along with machine guns
cruise miss’ls,  dead babies , dead mothers , dead
fathers, to fill the banks of the one you are
intending to vote for again and again and again

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

title
why the dems are losing
it is the public that is looseing
the dems doing quite well, lots of corrupt money
you take up for the dems, consistantly
for what reason
they allow rape murder , and pillage
in your name
what primaries? they rigged too
ask cynthia
she bolted
the quicker you show no support
the quicker the wars willl end
and the rape and the murder and the pillage
and the theivery and the lies,
how can you support this, why
they steal your money, split it with repubs
1, 000, 000, 000, 000 at least a year to kill
innocent ones, why continue to support
our schools suck, privitize, you believe that an ans
no more nukes, oops, except the ones i am buying now
primaries, oh my god, u born yesterday?//????
i could go on and on and on for reasons to divorce
yourself from liars, theives, murderers, hucksters,
gimmickers, war for profiters, ecoglogical disaster
supporters, wildlife murderers, soil and food poison
producers, ocean pulluters,
an everything else destructive

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By MarthaA, February 20, 2010 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

Primaries won’t work to remove the DLC unless there are enough people smart enough to actually perform the task.

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By Peetawonkus, February 20, 2010 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

“Independents can’t remove corporate DLC Democrats.  There must be an en masse registrations of Democrats for the sole purpose of removing the DLC from the Democratic Party.”

Right. And just before that, angels riding unicorns will cross rainbow bridges to bring us all sacks of Godiva chocolate.

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By MarthaA, February 20, 2010 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

I am an Alan Grayson kind of Democrat, maybe Blanche Lincoln will get removed in the Primaries by the Arkansas Democratic Party populace.

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By MarthaA, February 20, 2010 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Removing the DLC in the Primaries will take time, it will not be completed for years, but if the populace is intent on getting rid of the corporate DLC in the Democratic Party, they can. 

Independents can’t remove corporate DLC Democrats.  There must be an en masse registrations of Democrats for the sole purpose of removing the DLC from the Democratic Party.

Read, listen and reread and relisten to Professor Jeff Cohen interviewed by Real News in my post on this thread February 19 at 10:35 pm.  Taking over the Democratic Party can be done when enough people decide they have had enough, then we the populace will take our country back from the DLC Conservative Right-Wing Corporate EXTREMISTS that have been terrorizing the populace of our nation.

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By Shenonymous, February 20, 2010 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

Wow MarthaA.  Except for your off the wall religiousity, which I think is
irrelevantly over the edge in politics, you are making amazing sense otherwise,
at least to me, these days!  Guess one is entitled to some faults. You know I
only say that because you know I am an unbeliever! but that, and I have stated
many times, anyone should be free to believe as they choose, though I reserve
the privilege to notice if others’ beliefs would infract on my rights and to resist
them in that case. I also would argue the validity of theoretical beliefs but only
in a civilized manner and only at an explicit or implicit invitation.  I believe in
the Bill of Rights, which is metaphysical except for its directive amendments,
how can any of the rest be proved! The most important moral directive,
however, is to rely on the only important universal law of morality, that
essentially says, similar to the Doctors’ Oath, one will not do anything to injure
or harm in any way another human being.  That is Aristotelian by the way if
anyone is interested who borrowed it from Aesclepius, a minion of Apollo, uh
er, a god, a metaphoric god that is.  No doubt I am perceived to have not one
fault but many!  I don’t think, though, MarthaA that a twin posting is always
necessary!  But back to politics—Let’s get those primaries started!!!  Now!

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By Peetawonkus, February 20, 2010 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

Oh, MarthaA—
You are so adorable!

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By MarthaA, February 20, 2010 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

The Democratic Party by choosing the name democratic put themselves in the position to represent the populace, while the Republican Party only represents the republic, not the populace.  There is nothing democratic about a republic.  The Elite Capitalist GOP are the leaders of the Republican Party.  The Democratic Party has no GOP, never had a GOP and all the GOP DLC corporate cooperators need to be Primaried out of the Democratic Party.  When the populace become interested enough in reform of the Democratic Party, the party will be reformed as Professor Jeff Cohen has stated in my post on this thread February 19 at 10:35 pm.  The DLC will be run back to the Republicans where they belong.

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By MarthaA, February 20, 2010 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

The Democratic Party by choosing the name democratic put themselves in the position to represent the populace, while the Republican Party only represents the republic, not the populace.  There is nothing democratic about a republic.  The Elite Capitalist GOP are the leaders of the Republican Party.  The Democratic Party has no GOP, never had a GOP and all the GOP DLC corporate cooperators need to be Primaried out of the Democratic Party.  When the populace become interested enough in reform of the Democratic Party, the party will be reformed as Professor Jeff Cohen has stated in my post on this thread February 19 at 10:35 pm.

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By Peetawonkus, February 20, 2010 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous
See? We have all sorts of things in common. My folks were Democrats, I was raised a Democrat—and used to be a Democrat. When push comes to shove, like the 2008 elections, or close elections in my area, I always vote Democrat, just because I’ll do anything to keep a Republican from public office. Heck, I probably would still consider myself a Democrat if the Party would field candidates who had the courage of their constituents’ convictions. We deserve better. MA was a case in point. There just had to have been better people available than Coakley. But the MA Democratic Party settled for her? It’s just one more instance how much is broken within the Democratic Party. It’s like how some people just keep sabotaging their own success.

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By MarthaA, February 20, 2010 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

Wining and losing is highly overrated.

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By Shenonymous, February 20, 2010 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

Gosh darn Peetawonkus, “If Brown had lost all that would have been gained would
have been another milquetoast Beltway-wannabe Democrat.”  Why do I agree with
you!  Why do I think she was a last minute proxy?  Even though she championed
abortion rights, same-sex marriage and other socially liberal causes, she had as
much charisma as a placebo effect.  And she didn’t drive a truck!  Whaaaa?  No
strong political convictions except maybe that she could hold national office.  She
did not represent a booming voice for that state. Massachusetts Democrats need
to find an antidote to Brown and they have slim to none pickens.  Besides he is
cute and a pin up guy.  Who cares if he is another mouthpiece puppet for the
Republicans?  ‘Cept maybe the Republicans.  Where are the Democrats going to
find someone to compete with that?  They need to wake up to the fact that there
are Browns everywhere just waiting to replace Democrats.  The Republicans are
well aware of it.  Just watch Florida!  Such is life. Sigh.

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

Peeta…

It has become amusing..
you have to learn to laugh instead of crying..
unfortunatly,  most of the victims can’t even
laugh at this dark comedy show here in americka.

It was right around the corner, just that one senate
vote away…....durn those those critters from
masschewsets….they ought to be expelled or at
least stand in the corner with their nose to the wall

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By Peetawonkus, February 20, 2010 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

“Pause to consider where we would be if a Democrat had won January’s Massachusetts Senate race. In all likelihood, health reform would be law, Democrats could have moved on to economic matters, and Obama would be seen as shrewd and successful.”
—from the above article

I’ll never get this stubborn insistence on placing so much emphasis on the MA election of Brown. Are we really supposed to think that so much hinged on that election? If Brown had lost all that would have been gained would have been another milquetoast Beltway-wannabe Democrat. It’s not like Brown’s opponent was a fiery Progressive. That’s pathetic if that’s the best MA Democrats could field in a candidate. If Brown had lost, nothing would have changed in D.C. Health Care would still be in a holding pattern, Obama would still be choosing nuclear power plants over green jobs legislation and we’d still be mired in Iraq and Afghanistan. Leave it to perpetually clueless E.J. Dionne to give us yet another phoned in CNN rehash passed off as political analysis.

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

the ole lady really liked that suit.
wants me to get one, now i will HAVE too

I can’t picture myself in it, but she says it will
be a big improvement… I believe it is the BIG
she speaks of

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By Shenonymous, February 20, 2010 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

A little Saturday morning fun???
Mr. Unruh, a Texan what else, is an amusing parodist.  But he is basically
wrong noticeably because he represents the textile industry and needed to
introduce his company’s new fabric, the phallic-inflatable-satin-slicker it is
called the (PISS uniform for short, did you notice the color, kind of a weak piss
yellow?).  Problem for him is that it became obsolete immediately upon pubic
revelation as the observation penis probe (the O PeePee) has already been
replaced by a Blueberry, Version 1 (so named for its color), which is a
monitored viewing device that has controls hookered up to the blinking
mechanism of the eyes.  Much more efficient.  On can sit around naked and still
control the RWUSSes (remote workers uh slave slaves).  Tiny its true, but then
most penises are kind of tiny these days as witnessed by all the ejaculation
drugs being promoted because of an unprecedented epidemic of ED.  The new
blueberry allows complete handsfree control of remote employees (a slave is a
salve is a slave, by any other name is still a slave, thank you Gertrude Stein)
allowing the constant instant self-gratification required by controller men. 
Installing the blueberry is a simple surgical embedding in the middle of the
forehead as a condition of employment.  The only known problem is that
because of the bifocal arrangement of human eyes, a kind of energetic
singularity is created in the third blueberry eye that sometimes erupts and blue
fluid floods the remote image.  It clears up rather quickly and observation
continues.  Control, uh er, observation of the slaves, uh remote employees, is
done with eye blinking and can be speeded up with a speeding up of self-
gratification, which presents no problem for the administrator unless it goes
too fast causing the eruption.  Then it is a matter of “Self-Control.”  As you can
imagine a blinking eye syndrome (BES) now exists but that bug is being worked
on and we have all expectation it will be solved in the very near future.  The
newest device being developed by a competitor company is an anti-blueberry
that can be surgically embedded into remote workers foreheads that interferes
with the blueberry transmission and allows for a taking over of the workforce. 
But then, anticipating this, the blueberry developers are working on an anti-
anti-blueberry upgrade.  Soon the RWUSSes will be embedded with an infinite
number of blueberries and anti-blueberries, and anti-anti-blueberries and on
and on and on.

Democrats are neither winning nor losing.  They are stagnant.  But maybe, just
maybe Obama has invested some public money in a truckload of blueberries
for his minions.  Whatever works to Stimulate the economy!

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By jdelassus, February 20, 2010 at 6:27 am Link to this comment

screamingpalm

Thanks for the youtube link.  Hilarious.

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By ofersince72, February 20, 2010 at 3:17 am Link to this comment

durn it, please don’t tell me the Democrats are
losing.

Whats the score….What game are they playing?

I had them 10 to 1 in Vegas…

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By screamingpalm, February 19, 2010 at 11:42 pm Link to this comment

jdelassus

Your post reminded me of the Yes Men in Finland, where they pose as WTO reps explaining the evolution of slavery into remote labor. :—)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-1W_8otS4

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By jdelassus, February 19, 2010 at 11:03 pm Link to this comment

Let’s return to those grand old days of laissez - faire capitalism.  That libertarian Utopia where the market solved all problems and there was no need for that pesky government to interfere.  If only they allowed the markets to play out we wouldn’t have all these problems today.  Slavery would have eventually worked out to an economically fair distribution of wealth.  Oh wait, 99 percent of us are still bought and sold in the marketplace of labor so I guess it has all worked out in a just and equitable manner.  Even though 60 percent of us are no longer needed in the workforce the market will eventually solve that problem too.  After all, it’s all about the money.

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By PeterM, February 19, 2010 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment

Democrats are losing NOT because of Republicans which the “elites” want the public to believe. This makes the “Republicans” APPEAR relevant for the closed loop corporate power system to work. Democrats are losing because of those of US that the “elites” try to make irrelevant - those with more traditional democratic and progressive ideals, you know, the majority of the public that voted for the Democrats.

In Massachusetts, there was NO REBIRTH of Republicanism in one month after Ted Kennedy has gone. This is “disillusioned” democrats not voting and MANY extremely angry, completely UNREPRESENTED and UNHEARD Massachusetts progressives voting as BLOWBACK. Both Reps and Dems and their MSM mouthpieces will do anything to suppress this concept.
The for “public consumption” pretense is that Republicans have somehow earned the seat and/or that the democrats have not been conciliatory enough. Beautiful propaganda isn’t it?!

The fact is, Scott Brown is a political NOBODY and in Massachusetts he can be gone as quickly as he came. He serves a political purpose- PUNISHMENT and NOTICE!

The Massachusetts message is CLEAR and it is different THIS time! The Democrats will either keep selling out the way they do and they will be culled out of their seats OR they are “persuaded” that it is time to focus on their constituens’ interests. If Dems get unseated, the corporate interests still win as they are doing under Democratic MAJORITY. As you can see, keeping Democratic majority for its own sake will produce NOTHING. NO REFORM or “change” for normal working Americans or in US policies domestic or foreign.
If the Dems smarten up and start pushing REAL heath and financial and economic and military and social REFORMS, they will stay in majority.
The pseudo-Republican party has no bearing on the fortunes of the Democrats. It is what the Democrats DO.

I think with increasing economic and political upheaval the pressure on all of Americans will be to get involved. This will be an impetus to acknowledge that there is class WAR declared on US and to rise for our interests. As much as apolitical and gullible this country is, I see different tone everywhere compared to years back which is hopeful.

Politically aware, propaganda immune, class conscious and involved people are the most dangerous thing to the corporate Demo-Republican political class.

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By screamingpalm, February 19, 2010 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

Fair enough, I am not trying to force Nader on you- only wanted to clear up some misinformation and character assasination. I also get irritated at an unappreciative American public.

If you feel you can look in the mirror and support the DLC after what they’ve done, nothing I say can change that. I’m not telling people whom to vote for, though I do urge everyone to seek alternatives to the duopoly, whatever flavor you choose.

We will also have to agree to disagree that it doesn’t take money to impress a mainstream politician. I thought that much was obvious!

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By Shenonymous, February 19, 2010 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

We shall have to agree to disagree on Nader, screamingpalm.  I have never been a fan.  You obviously are.  The people can take control of the DLC if and only if they summon the will to do it.  It doesn’t take money, the people do not have money.  It takes a fire in the belly. That is the only reason why the DLC cannot change.


But the Republicans seem to have the will to do that.

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By screamingpalm, February 19, 2010 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

Oh and re: Nader accepting a worthless cabinet position;

The one promising nomination Obama made was Hilda Solis. She looked like she might end up being the Frances Perkins of the administration. Well, I can’t think of one good thing she has done so far, or anything for that matter… a big disappointment. The one hope many of us had that saw through the “hope and change” rhetoric from day one.

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By Shenonymous, February 19, 2010 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

You know, Peetawonkus, you have a sense of humor and some tenacity.  Maybe
we do have something more in common than I thought.  Alan Grayson is a bit of a
loose cannon but I think he has potential.  I like his petition against the Supreme
Court, I think he is brave. 

Blanche has not voted 100% with Democrats but for the most part has.  Some of
her votes with the Republican sentiment are questionable. I don’t trust her when
the vote will really count for the general population. 

Grayson uses Simon and Garfunkel to make a point, and that cannot be bad.

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By screamingpalm, February 19, 2010 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous

I wonder though if that is what they wanted, or if they weren’t aware of alternatives (again I am assuming that there were independents running).

I again disagree with the character assasination propaganda of Nader, created by the DLC. Nader gave Gore a long list of issues important to progressives and asked him to pick just a coupl/few. He promised Gore that he would not run if he championed just that much and Gore refused. Ego had and has absolutely nothing to do with what Nader is attempting to accomplish. Besides he had many chances to stoke his ego in the past. If this were true, seatbelts and airbags would say “Nader” on them. He would receive royalties for untainted meat, clean air and water, OSHA, and many other contributions (I can list them if you like). His integrity remains intact, he was never bought, and has no need for petty strokes of his ego. He doesn’t care about destroying his legacy to fight for what is just and right, which if he was tempted by ego he might think twice about.

MarthaA, I must simply point out that the “political elite” own the Democratic party as well. Regardless, I will never forgive them for what they did to Nader and on principle I find it to be even more loathsome than tactics used by the Republicans. I will take a look at your link though, but I believe it to be naive to think that the people can somehow take control of the DLC. They only answer to money, perhaps you are rich enough to compete with their lobbyists?

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By Peetawonkus, February 19, 2010 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,
Ok, you’re a Democrat. So that already means we have more in common than to yell at each other about.

Next question. Are you an Alan Grayson kind of Democrat or a Blanche Lincoln kind of Democrat?

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By Shenonymous, February 19, 2010 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment

I don’t know, screamingpalm,  if Massachusetts wanted Brown as their Senator,
but the voting people did.  He was clever and made himself a commoner with a
truck and extolled the Virtues of Change!  It is a crappy platform to run on
because it is so vacuous.  But the people fell for it.  Well change they are going
to get, the common people, when Brown votes with the Republicans on
diminishing their social security program, when he votes with the Republicans
on getting rid of Medicare, when he votes incessantly with the Republicans on
every issue they want him to.  He will be just another Republican puppet.  Just
watch.  People are blinded by imagery.  It is the nature of the masses.  I don’t
know if they voted their conscience.  But they voted for some reason.  And
whatever it was they had the right to.  Maybe PeterM can tell us.  I think maybe
he did already. 

Detrimental, third parties?  No I agree they do shed light on issues that need
raised.  But in my mind they only have hope at local levels of winning political
office.  Much of Nader’s problems were created by him.  His ‘tude is what got
him into trouble.  He was arrogant and I saw him as self-serving.  He had tried
to be in politics for decades and always failed.  There has to be some reason. 
He would have been better to have been in someone’s cabinet but he was was
too arrogant to do that.  I think he would have been more effective for his
brilliance.  The reality is that he did not do well regardless of any subordinate
reason.  He was not able to leap into national politics for a reason.  He just
didn’t command the respect of the public at large.  He had his forums. I know
because I watched them.  There was something about him that did not
resonate with the voters.  He could have started at the local level.  Become a
Representative or even a Senator.  But no, he wanted to jump right into the
White House.  I think his ego got in the way.  It is historic that third parties do
not do well in national elections, argue as much as you want, that is the fact. 
Yes, independents will ascend but I’m convinced never high enough. 

5 Yups I yam a Damn Democrat!  Now Peetawonkus, you take a deep breath!  I
don’t try to be, I yam full o’myself, I’m the best at being full o’myself than
anybody!

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By MarthaA, February 19, 2010 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment

Politics is a dirty game, but there are only two institutionalized political parties, the political elite have the Republican Party and the populace need to claim the Democratic Party and make it represent the populace.  One can’t run away to other parties and ever get that accomplished.  You need to listen to the Real News interviews with Professor Cohen that I posted.

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By screamingpalm, February 19, 2010 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

Forgot to add to my last:

Let’s also not forget the despicable tactics the Democrats used to keep Nader off of the ballot in many states in these past elections. It’s so easy to dismiss him and other independents as “ineffectual” when people can’t even vote for them! How un-democratic! “Party of the People” my ass! I, for one, will never support the “Democratic” party ever again. Hell, even the Republicans didn’t attempt these kinds of shenanigans with Ron Paul.

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By Peetawonkus, February 19, 2010 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,
Oh come now. Just take a deep breath and try not to be so full of yourself.

Riddle me this. Are you a Democrat?

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By MarthaA, February 19, 2010 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

These Real News interviews with Professor Jeff Cohen make it pretty clear that 3rd Parties aren’t beneficial nationally:

Progressives and the Democratic Party - Part 1:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=4775

Progressives and the Democratic Party - Part 2:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=4783

Progressives and the Democratic Party - Part 3:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=4786

Progressives and the Democratic Party - Part 4:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=4787

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By BR549, February 19, 2010 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment
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“If you want to be honest, face these facts: At this moment, President Barack
Obama is losing, Democrats are losing and liberals are losing.’

Well, to be even MORE honest, it isn’t that Obama is losing; people are just flat
fed up with politicians ....... PERIOD. The right isn’t doing any better. I suppose
it then depends on who listens to what news station on any given day to bolster
their belief system enough to still stay pinned to one side of the political arena,
but when it all comes right down to it, there are very few politicians with a
backbone and any degree of true integrity.

Even if Scott Brown hadn’t won, nothing would have changed. As much as we
have needed a decent health care bill for decades, this legislation was just
another bastard child showing up on the political doorstep with baggage we
don’t even know about. We just can’t we vote on a bill solely on its own merits?

We have become so enmeshed in this system of taxation and duplicitous
administration that we have become enslaved to our own politicians. We get
overtaxed and then are forced to feel blessed when they do us a favor by
“bringing the bacon home”. And every year it just gets worse. The carousel gets
going so fast, no one feels safe trying to get off it.

No, the Democrats aren’t losing; at least no more than the Republicans. The
American people are the ones who are really losing. Let’s try keep our eye on
the ball.

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By screamingpalm, February 19, 2010 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous

Do you really think that Massachusetts voted their conscience by electing a Republican? I have my doubts, though I of course support that freedom.

I disagree that third parties are detrimental to the popular party as it does show support for otherwise ignored issues. Considering that Nader was not allowed to debate, nor able to match the well funded propaganda of the mainstream candidates (wasting your vote/Nader vote is a vote for Repubs, etc). I disagree that he was an ineffective candidate especially considering the effectiveness of said propaganda and scare tactics. I also look for independents to have another resurgence after one or two failed Obama terms- just like what happened after the 8 years of Clinton. Hopefully each time the Democrats fail the left, people will look for an alternative.

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By MarthaA, February 19, 2010 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Nobel Prize Winning Economist and Professor at Columbia University, Joseph Stiglitz, Talks about the Obama administration: 
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/2/18/nobel_economist_joseph_stiglitz_on_obamas  Here are excerpts of what he said from the above interview:

JOSEPH STIGLITZ: Well, it has made a difference. I think President Obama is absolutely right that, were it not for the stimulus bill, unemployment would be higher, much higher, than it is today.

The problem with the stimulus was not that it didn’t work, but it wasn’t big enough, and it wasn’t as well designed as I would have—I would have liked. Two problems. What was needed was a stimulus of at least 50 percent larger. Even the President’s own economic adviser talked about the need for a $1.2 trillion bill. But unfortunately, President Obama wasn’t given that choice. Even before it was presented to him, it was downscaled to a choice between $600 and $800 billion, and he pushed for the larger number.

The second problem was that about a third of it is in tax cuts. And with Americans burdened with debt, with the uncertainties in the job market, much of that tax cut went into savings, not into spending. And the nature of a stimulus is you have to spend it. So while the money may have given them more security, may have provided individual benefits, it did not provide the stimulus that, for instance, directing money to help states maintain their universities, schools, teachers, would have done.

JOSEPH STIGLITZ:
China has built up reserves of over $2.3 trillion. Yeah, it’s a huge amount of money. China is the one country that never went into a recession. Growth did slow down from about 12 percent down to seven, eight percent, maybe for some quarters even lower than that, but it’s back to nine percent. It could do that because it had these huge reserves. So the lesson that countries are learning is save, don’t spend. And, of course, if the countries follow that lesson, then the global recovery will be very anemic.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, we’ve used large numbers of foreign contractors. Money that’s spent over there doesn’t have a second round of effects back at home. What we count on when we spend money in other areas is that we spend the money, the people who receive the money spend the money, that creates more jobs, and then they spend the money. And that round—that circulation of the money around keeps building up. But if we spend the money over on war costs, we don’t get those kinds of indirect benefits.

It’s not the national debt today that matters; it’s the national debt five, ten, fifteen, twenty years from now. If we spend the money well and that creates a stronger economy, that will create more tax revenue. And just like a firm borrows to make profits in the future, it makes perfect sense for us to borrow to create jobs today and to get more tax revenues in the future, and our national debt will actually be lower if we spend more money now.

JOSEPH STIGLITZ: The derivatives market, let me just emphasize, was very critical in the deceptive accounting in Greece, important in the deceptive accounting that led to the freezing of the credit markets, because no one knew what their financial position was. And you could see what happened in AIG, where one moment it said it had a $10 billion problem, the next moment the taxpayer had to put in $89 billion, wound up $180 billion, money that some of which went to Goldman Sachs, which you mentioned before. We’ll never get that money back. So, those are the dangers that these derivatives can expose. We should have known that, because back in ’98, one hedge fund, LTCM, almost brought down the entire global economy. And so, we should have known the riskiness of that.

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By Shenonymous, February 19, 2010 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

screamingpalm, I don’t blame voters who are independents and find the
Democrats not responsive to their needs.  That is what this country is all about. 
Being able to voice one’s preference.  I am making a distinction between local
voting and voting for a national candidate.  Senators represent states,
presidents represent the entire country.  I said I didn’t blame Massachusetts
much, but was troubled they voted for a Republican who dressed himself as an
independent. 

I think PeterM made a decent case for why Massachusetts voted the way they
did.  I wasn’t happy about the outcome but they have the right to get what they
want.  And I believe getting what the voters want is possible and laudable at
the local level.  I believe in the Democratic ideology.  Many candidates on the
Democratic ticket do not really take that ideology seriously and need to be
replaced.  If there are no responsible Democratic candidates, then a Republican
will hoopla right in.  I won’t like it but I can live with it.  I said, if you would
kindly reread my post, that it would be pissing in the wind to try to vote third
party at the national level and I gave reasons that don’t need to be repeated. 
So your screaming at me is a bit misspent.  No, I blamed the Supreme Court for
Bush’s presidency.  Both of them.  Nader was ineffectual as a candidate and
didn’t get that many votes that would have made a difference.  He simply has
no charisma, never did really.  Good ideas but only a cult really cared about
him.  But third-party candidates do and have siphoned off votes at the national
level and it is detrimental to the popular party.  At whatever level, I would hope
Americans feel free enough to vote their conscience.  Don’t you?  Would you
then say that a conservative should also have that freedom?  I would, even
though I also would work so that they would not win the elections.

You said, “but I would be damn surprised if there wasn’t an independent
progressive choice in that election!”  Can you please name that choice?  But
even if there was, since you are not even sure, they didn’t raise their voice high
enough did they?

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By Shenonymous, February 19, 2010 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

Sounds like you have an inferiority complex, Peetawonkus.  Too bad if anyone else
does too.  Calling on others to try to buff up your own ego is pathetic.  Some of us
live in a grown up world.  It is the sign of someone inarticulate who has no real
argument so manufactures a demon out of the likes of me.  There is a diagnosis
for people like you.

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By Shenonymous, February 19 at 8:43 pm #

Let me get this straight… you don’t blame Mass. voters for electing a Republican, but you imply that voting one’s conscience and supporting an independent candidate that most strongly represents one’s views on the issues is merely “pissing in the wind”? You talk about the “lesser of two evils”, but why not condemn those voters for not voting independent- if in fact it was progressives sending a message? I don’t know for sure, but I would be damn surprised if there wasn’t an independent progressive choice in that election!

We can never make progress if people continue their idol worshiping and bandwaggoning instead of taking a stand! I’ll bet you were one of those that blamed Nader for Bush’s presidency.

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By Peetawonkus, February 19, 2010 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous
Christ, you’re a pip, by cracky.

I know there are those here who think you’re a smug, half-right know-it-all, pompous ass. But not me. I stuck up for you. I said you weren’t so smug.

Maybe, if you weren’t so full of yourself, you could spend a little more time actually listening and reading instead of correcting everybody’s imagined errors. You’d think at your age you’d know that.

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By Shenonymous, February 19, 2010 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment

I understand better, PeterM, why Massachusetts did what they did.  Thank you
for the explanation.  I don’t blame them as much now that you make it clear,
but being a Democrat it pains me that it went to a Republican.  How responsive
has Kerry been there?  I didn’t trust him when he ran for president, and I still
don’t.  He seems fatuously self-serving.  But I did vote for him anyway because
I was horrified at the alternative.  Too bad there aren’t any upstart Democrats
around, anywhere!  But local voters can make a difference and your state
proves it.  If the local constituency shows they are supportive of progressive
and populist politicians then those kind of stars will emerge as they will feel
safe in seeking office.  I don’t think Massachusetts will get anything they want
from Brown in Washington, probably will get worse but time will tell, and it was
maybe worth the experiment.  He is a tentacle of the Republicans, it should not
be forgotten.  I hope it will be worth the payback. 

Chicago is not the whole country, Peetawonkus.  Do you always make such
flagrantly fallacious comparisons?  Do you know what a fallacy is?  You don’t
like to be challenged on what you say, do you?  Kind of a social phobia, is that
right?  Is that your game?  Perhaps you can’t fathom metaphors.  Your linking
the madman who plowed his small airplane into that Federal building in Austin
with faith in a political party is odd thinking at best.  You must be very young
as the Democratic Party used to be the party of the people up until Ronald
Reagan worked his mumbo jumbo and got everyone to be reactive instead of
responsible.  No, it is the Republicans who impede everything that is for the
people.  “The “radicals” are the ones who got things done, the kinds of things
that civilized societies are measured by.”
  This is a myth, many “radicals”
have died in oblivion and didn’t get a damn thing done.  A steady focus is what
really gets “things done.”  Instead of calling on god to help, you might call on
the people in your town instead of ranting on a blog. Or do both, but don’t
forget the politics of where you live.

Janet C ought to find out what fascism is before predicting it.  It seems to be
the buzzword word du jour these days.  Try migrating to Iran or Honduras for a
few years then make your comment again.

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By MarthaA, February 19, 2010 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

Democrats are winning.

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By Peetawonkus, February 19, 2010 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous
Now we’re playing the proof game? A “phantasmic Democratic Machine”? OK, whatever. I don’t know how you think politics works in this country but you must have never heard of Chicago.

“You do have to admit though there is quite the chorus and chorus line who kind of goose
steps in unison.” Don’t know what you’re talking about.

You and other can say it as much as you like but the Democratic Party is simply not the Party of the People. I know you wish it were. So do I. But you know what they say about wish in one hand and s$%t in the other and see what you have more of.

If, as you say, the Democratic Party “is really the only hope the people really have as third parties at the national level is a pipedream as Nader, Perot and others have demonstrated.” Then God help us all and you can expect more people to fly planes into buildings like that sad, f#*ked up guy did in Austin the other day.

You think the Democratic Party can be pushed, pulled or cajoled into being the People’s party? Good luck with that. Hasn’t worked so far. Maybe we just haven’t signed enough internet petitions yet or sent enough tersely worded emails to Rahm Emmanuel.

As far as “extreme socialism”—Social Security, Unemployment Compensation, Medicare, Medicaid, Women’s Suffrage, the Civil Rights Voting Act were all considered extreme socialist ideas. Just like Single Payer Health Care is now. The “radicals” are the ones who got things done, the kinds of things that civilized societies are measured by. The so-called moderates are the ones who said “slow down, slow down. Too much change too fast.” If we always listened to moderates slavery would have been abolished in 1974.

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Democrats are losing because they decided to go down the road of left wing ideology extremism run by Marxists, Communists, and Socialists.  Fascism is not too far behind.

Such ignorance ( sorry but that is exactly what you display) of the political realms that I am almost shocked. To call the Democratic Party , about as centrist a group as one might find, left leaning, or socialist, or marxist or communist is to betray a complete lack of understanding of those political philosophies. To further include fascism, a polar opposite to any of the above is to complete the diagnosis of terminal ignorance.

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By bobbylon, February 19, 2010 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

PeterM: I’ve been saying that like a broken record that insurance mandates without cost control/affordability is the reason Brown won. A huge rebuke from the poeple against legislation put forth by the Senate as “reform” which was in fact an insurance enrichment plan to deliver captives to their rapacious exploitation. There is very little real affordability in that bill and even then it wasn’t set to take place until 2014 (IIRC); so all these millions Obummer said the bill would help are deferred in their deliverance by the gov’t for 4 years? The American people aren’t that gullible

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By screamingpalm, February 19, 2010 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

Janet C.‘s post should clearly show why the left needs to make a clean break from the Democratic party. I left it a long time ago, but I say let the conservative and moderates have it. There’s nothing wrong with Janet having her opinion of course, it is just obvious that I just don’t belong in the same party as her and further highlights the problems on the left. To those who say supporting Nader or the Greens is a pipe dream, it is exactly that kind of sentiment that makes it such. I would argue that expecting results from the corrupted two-party system is the “pipe dream”. Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over and over expecting different results (attributed to Albert Einstein I believe).

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By PeterM, February 19, 2010 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

The author of the article fundamentally misunderstands the Mass. vote for Brown.
As a Massachusetts progressive, I voted for Brown. The reason was the disastrously compromised “Health care reform” which is based on the Massachusetts mandatory insurance model of THEFT and EXTORTION. If I cannot have a “public option” or “single payer” I do not want this corpo-theft produced by the US Senate either.
You see, I cannot afford insurance in Mass. and was fined $968 (about 50% of my total state TAX in addition to the tax!) together with about 100,000 pi**ed off Massachusetts VOTERS who also got ripped off this way. This was a PAYBACK to the Democrats! The majority of Mass. WANTS “public option” but the Democratic cowards including Obama have zero care about competitive, efficient and affordable health care.

The Brown protest vote has produced results! Panicked Sen. Kerry is suddenly championing “public option” with other democrats. This would NEVER happen with Democratic victory in Mass. We would get CONFISCATORY THEFT “insurance” like we have now in Massachusetts.
The Democrats KNOW all too well what this vote was about.

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By Old enough to know, February 19, 2010 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment
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If honest Americans want to know what’s wrong with our country regarding political decision-making, they must come to grips with only one uncomfortable fact:  The American public in general just isn’t as intelligent as we like to think.  The proof is in the pudding with the viewership numbers of such commentators as Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin.

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By Shenonymous, February 19, 2010 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

Peetawonkus, sorry if you felt your sanity was pounded.  But you wouldn’t mind
then providing evidence of your phantasmic Democratic Machine would you? 
Citing a bit of ambiguous ghost history doesn’t do it either.  I admit my
accusing unnamed residents here as being Republicans under white sheets was
a bit over the edge.  I purposely did that to raise some hackles.  You do have to
admit though there is quite the chorus and chorus line who kind of goose
steps in unison.  I don’t disagree with you in the least that the Democrat
politicians show a dichotomy from their political speeches to their actions.  Or
that they do have current majority in both houses of Congress and the
Presidency and cannot get a significant thing done, but you cannot dismiss the
effects of the Republicans who throw roadblocks in at every possible point. 
They are a force to be reckoned with. 

You are wrong however that the Democratic Party is not the party of the
people. It is really the only hope the people really have as third parties at the
national level is a pipedream as Nader, Perot and others have demonstrated.  I
have offered ways the Democrats can whip up the public but you wish to ignore
them.  It will take fighting fire with fire, and starting a wildfire.  What the
Republican dish out the Democrats need to dish out twice the amount.  They
need to toughen up and become more cohesive.  More creative.  Else, I have
warned, they are going to lose not only the Presidency in 2012 but both houses
as well starting this year. Then we will all need to migrate to Canada, and try to
ruin their system.  MarthaA shows to be principled and while I don’t agree with
extreme socialism, and I don’t think she does either, to think there is any other
choice but a Republican or a Democrat in the White House is a madness.  Elect
your marxists and socialists at the local level, Bernie Sanders did it, others can
too. But don’t fool yourself that it can be done at the national level.  It is
pissing in the wind.

Cassandra 2010, I do think racism is at the heart of a lot of the Republican
steam and the teabaggers as well.  This needs to be vocalized loudly and often. 
The desperation the voters might have felt was because the media certainly
pounded the public with the vices of the Bush administration, not that they
didn’t deserve it, but the overwhelming repetition of the infractions is what
helped Obama as well and that cannot be put away.  I tend to believe Obama
was intelligent and sincere and made his own case and that coupled with
popular support from those sectors of the population who have felt for a
couple of hundred years as being disenfranchised gave him the huge margin of
victory he got.  That same desperation has not gone away and the racism and
disenfranchisement lurks in the shadows of the Republicans at all times, make
no mistake.

Third parties will only work in this bi-partisan country at the local level.  Spin
your wheels all you want you will only deplete a Democratic victory in national
elections and hand it over to the Republicans.

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By Peetawonkus, February 19, 2010 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

“You can thank obama, nancy, reed and all the other radicals for contributing to the implosion.”

Radicals? If only… Eight years of that lying piece of shit George Bush and one year of Obama and Obama is to blame for the mess we’re in? Yeah right. Goofs like Janet C don’t even know the basics of political ideology. With Communist Obama in the White House, how can Fascism be far behind? Brain damaged tea baggers clutter up the political discourse with their ignorant stutter. If only they would take their Confederate hillbilly nation off to planet DumbF*&$k where it belongs the rest of us could get on with building a decent world. I wish on the grave of Karl Marx we did have a healthy dose of Socialism in this country. Tea baggers like Janet C keep drinking their poison and blaming the doctor for giving them the shakes and double vision. What a waste of the gift of speech.

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By bobbylon, February 19, 2010 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

Maybe you’re right Martha, but I’m sick of settling for the lesser of two evils. Especially how Progressive delivered for Obama in ‘08 and got very little to show for it on his governing team. And until there is serious banking re-regulation, all of these economic fixes will be swept away in the tsunami of the next derivatives meltdown. Why is Obama unwilling to insist on regulations? B/c the Three Blind Mice running his economic policy are largely responsible for the melt down in the first place.

The baton was seemlessly passed from Bush to Obama even if the “rhetoric” isn’t as obnoxious.

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By MarthaA, February 19, 2010 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

I admit President Obama could have done better, but he is a far cry from being the Bush administration.  He hasn’t changed some things, but he has changed many and the economic crisis hasn’t shut the dollar down, yet, and may not.

I have not given up and do not think the populace should give up on President Obama, because the Republican alternative is worse.

Here is where you can find out what President Obama has done:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/

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By Janet C., February 19, 2010 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment
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Democrats are losing because they decided to go down the road of left wing ideology extremism run by Marxists, Communists, and Socialists.  Fascism is not too far behind.

You can thank obama, nancy, reed and all the other radicals for contributing to the implosion.

See as a democrat I know that America is mostly Conservative at heart.  I too am a Conservative democrat and if the party leaders and guiders do not come to terms with these facts….The democrat party will be no more.  Which may be a good thing unless they choose to be like JFK.  He was a great role model.

Healthcare bill should be deep-sixed along with cap™ and any other socialist extreme.  The Communist and Black Liberationists obama surrounds himself with are hurting our party on a daily basis.

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By canyon critter, February 19, 2010 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment
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marthaA you put to much faith in democrats. to say this was all caused by republicans is not true at all. barney frank is tied to the downfall of fannie mae and freddie mac, chris dodd was tied to countrywide and not seeking re-elction because he knows he should be in jail.look it up he didnt get sweetheart homeloans for nothing, barbara boxer is worth upwards of $300 million,there are more rich democrats than republicans and they all hide their income. politicians cant be trusted especially democrats. obama is a liar and seldom tells the truth.he is completely owned by wallstreet find out where most of his campaign money came from. i dont want anymore govt programs because it gov’t and gov’t alone that has bancrupted medicare and social security. there is to much money in washington and right now they are dividing up a 3.8 trillion dollar pie. re-elect no one. politicians like john mccain have to go. forget party affiliation and open your eyes. the last thing i want to say is it cant be so bad right now for people your getting to chat on your pc and talk bad about your govt, and you probably have food in your fridge and even electricity. people need to stop whining and realize just how good they really got it.

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By Arm, February 19, 2010 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment
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The dictionary should add a new meaning to the word “Liar.”  It should show this:
Liar:  Politicians of all kinds!

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By Mestizo Warrior, February 19, 2010 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment
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The sad fact is that President Obama and his party have indeed lost much support over the past 12 months. He and the party have no one to blame but themselves. We voted him and other democrats in after eight years of neo-fascism from Bush, et al.
Yes the nation’s economy was and still is in the toilet, however that has nothing to do with doing the right thing.

Had President Obama been loyal to those who elected him he would have ( and still can) pushed for an end to both wars, he would have pushed for bringing Bush and Cheney to justice, he would have closed down Guantanamo and either tried or free other so-called enemy combatants, he would have embraced and pushed for Medicare For All/Single payer healthcare, he would have helped bring about a massive public works project to ease the suffering of millions of laid off U.S. workers and the list goes on. However Barack Obama has not listened to his constituents, choosing instead to follow the advice of his corporate lap dogs like Rahm.

I say enough is enough! It’s time for a third party!

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By Cassandra 2010, February 19, 2010 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment
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It’s curious that almost nobody discusses the role racism has played in Obama’s conduct as president. Basicly Obama was elected by the American people out of desperation. And the forces that get presidents elected decided that it would be to their advantage.
We quickly forget that when he became a serious candidate reactions from the black community was apprehention and fear. Who among you never heard “Oh my God they’re gonna shoot him” from a colored friend (doesn’t matter what color). They feel the presense of racism. Remember, less than a hundred years ago someone like Obama would have been linched before he got to his first podium. America cannot escape its history that quickly.
Once he got elected every decision he made has been an attempt to establish his legitimacy as president. That explains his endless conciliatory actions with both friends and enemies. He does what he does to survive. The notion that he could become president and act like FDR, even though the country really needs such leadership, simply ignores American history.
The undercurrent of energy feeding his savage and relentless opposition is racism. Once one realizes this the despair felt about the current political climate will not go away but the bewilderment will.
History will read that Obama’s chief accomplishment was being the first black man ever elected president.
We need and expected more.
But that’s it.

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By bobbylon, February 19, 2010 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

Your premise is wrong: Obummer is not a Progressive. His enemies are the progressives in his own party who have been thwarted time and time again by Obummer’s malaise, cowardice and timidity and Rahm Emanuel’s obsession to keep the left neutered.

Obummer is a crypto-republican. That’s why he is in such favor of “bipartsianism”. His enthusiastic endorsement of nuclear power, his praise of Wall Street crooks, like his best pal Dimond, as “financial geniuses”; he’s still renditioning people to be tortured; drone attacks are creating more terrorists than we kill.

We were suckered by this Center-Right corporate construct that is Obama. Chump change not HOpe & Change.

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By Peetawonkus, February 19, 2010 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous
There are of course local Democratic Party machines. What nonsense to claim otherwise. You can pound the pulpit all you want and impugn the sanity of anyone who disagrees with you but sayin’ so don’t make it so. History illustrates quite clearly, to those who read it, or have lived it, that the fine speeches of the Democratic Party have been rather distant from their actions. Democrats control three branches of Government and they can’t get one significant thing done they were elected to do. Not because they can’t do it but because, at heart, they don’t really want to do it. Criticism of the Democratic Party doesn’t mean anyone is shilling for the Republicans and I for one reserve the right to say what I see.

I voted for Obama and would again in a heartbeat if my choices were the same as 2008. And I’ll take Democrats any day over Republicans. But my point is this: let’s not engage in historical fantasies about the Democratic Party being the Party of the People. There is no Party to take back. You can’t “take back” what was never yours in the first place. I know you and others wish it were so, and I do, too, because we really need a “Party of the People”.

Look, you and MarthA and anyone else think you can work positive social change within the Democratic Party, go for it. Show us how it’s done. Nobody is stopping you or saying you should give up. I and others are simply saying Liberals, Union folk, Progressives and Leftys of all stripes should stop putting all their eggs in the Democratic Party basket. It’s time to explore other options. There’s no reason we should continue reward a Party that refuses to serve our interests.

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By the worm, February 19, 2010 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

Why are the Democrats losing? As a Democrat, I have some thoughts on the
matter:

The President’s first priority was to accelerate the Bush bailouts, which included
guarantees to financial institutions, purchases of near worthless ‘assets’, low
rates to lenders who then could charge consumers high rates; these things
saddled the middle class with an additional tax burden, narrowed Obama’s
options for helping the middle class but made his financial friends whole. His
decision impacted the budget by increasing the deficit and future liabilities -
some estimates go as high as $4.300,000,000,000 - and saddled the middle
class with the bulk of debt payments.

Next, the President expanded the war in Afghanistan (increasing previous costs
by approximately $600,000,000, all adding up to probably well over
$1,000,000,000; this further narrowed the options for helping the middle class
by once again impacting the budget, increasing the deficit and saddling the
middle class with the bulk of debt payments.

While this was going on, the President dismissed from all discussion a single
payer health insurance system, the only ‘option’ that significantly altered the
‘cost curve’ while extending coverage; this lack of reform, as framed in the
Senate,  would continue a costly health insurance system and, again, saddling
the middle class with both higher taxes and larger health care premiums (for $
estimated cost of increased premiums, see recent California Anthem rate hikes
of 39%).

The President seems bewildered that the speeches he makes have no positive
results on people’s perception of his performance. But it is not ‘perception’ that
the we voters are dealing with, but a reality in which our desires (as express by
our support and votes) were ignored and continue to be ignored. The negative
response Obama is receiving (along with his fellow Democrats) is a reaction not
to perception, but to reality.

Currently, the President cannot or will not provide leadership for a
comprehensive and meaningful reform of the financial industry or the health
care system or the tax system.

Obama’s response is to appoint a commission. You can bet the commission
will recommend slapping it to the middle class.  This follows a long string of
decisions in which the needs of the financial industry, insurance industry,
military and mercenary contractors have been put first. Voters can anticipate,
yet again, being put into last place by the President and the leaders of the
Democratic Congress.

After all the damage done by this and previous administrations, after all the
powerful and wealthy received their bailouts, the Commission will say “It’s time
to stop ...” The voters have seen this movie before: It’s time to stop just short of
helping the middle class. And Obama will be leading the parade and making
earnest speeches about it.

The failures here are not of ‘liberals’. The failures are those of a Republican Lite
President and the Republican Lite Democratic leadership, none of whom are
‘liberals’ in any sense of the word (for proof, see the decisions noted above).

The Republicans have been very smart to cast the failure of essentially
Republican policies as the failure of ‘liberal’ policies, but liberal policies have
been far from the decision-makers’ minds and hearts.

If Obama was a ‘liberal,  the decisions noted above would have been very
different and certainly more beneficial for the middle class.

Essentially, as Democrats, we must answer the question: When I support
Democrats for office, am I going to get Democratic policy decisions and
Democratic legislation? The answer is clear and it is, unfortunately, is No.

That is the reason the Democrats are losing.

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By Shenonymous, February 19, 2010 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

There isn’t a local Democratic Party Machine and that is the problem. 
Democrats are as scattered as confetti at a Times Square parade.  Local
governments are the only way to effect change, but usually local governments
are corrupt by local grab for power because it is perceived that will yield
personal wealth, i.e., the greed motive.  Check out any local government and a
congruent model for corruption can be seen and at the state and federal level
as well.  It doesn’t matter if the politicians are Republican or Democrat.  The
people need motivated at the local level to vote in their own best interest and
not be persuaded by demagoguery.  Just how to do that is only through
assimilation, not from without by those looking on.  If there was a Democratic
Machine they would be watching every local election very closely and
influencing them to vote for the people not for the politician.

Even though she and I had much disagreement in the past, I think MarthaA is
making a lot of sense these days, but she has burned some bridges that will
have to be repaired but I think she has better tools of thinking these days. 

ThatDeborahGirl speaks my sentiments also.  Said very well, indeed!  One of
the few rational voices in this sea of droning swill.

Fact is that all politicians lie, so that is not much of a whine.  Let’s see if you
can do something about it Samson besides shooting off at the mouth.

Oh contrare Peetawonkus, The Democratic Party is the party of the people, and
always was.  It is a derangement to think otherwise.  They have been
disenfranchised by corporate greed and influence, an affliction of politicians
not elected selectively.  But there is an awakening happening and the people
will take back their party.  I think MarthaA is speaking truth and I have not
always been a fan of what she has said.  But you are right in that the people do
deserve better, but they must make it better themselves.  They have to be
persuaded they deserve to take back their party.  Those who are conscious
have to make it loudly known and repetitively.  Obama is starting to generate
excitement and is waking up the public.  Admittedly a little late.  His desire for
bi-partisanship was like sand in his eyes.  He now has to put action where his
mouth is.  He has three more years.  That is a long time to get the things done
he has in mind.  But the Republicans have to be made impotent if he is to get
those things done.  The rest is up to those who are awake to also wake up the
public.  Mealy-mouthed whining is self-defeating.  But then maybe that is the
deceptive strategy of those who are covertly complicit with the Republicans,
maybe they are undercover Republicans.  Sure looks like a lot of them are here
on this forum.  Liberals watch your backs, don’t let your arrogance blind you to
nonsensical rhetoric.

Ives, you ought to just take a hike.  No one is breaking your computer fingers
to stay on.

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By Capitalist, February 19, 2010 at 11:02 am Link to this comment
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Peet,

The pretense of socialists that “if only the public knew what we REALLY want, they’d be flocking to vote for us” does not stand any scrutiny. Polls conducted by the Washington Post, Pew, and others shows that in general terms the public understands what Obamacare and his overall program are about; a massive growth in government, taxes and debt and they are very much against it.
Your analysis of the recent economic failure is off the mark as well, almost delusionally so: the meltdown was almost totally caused by government meddling in controlling interest rates, deciding anyone who can fog a mirror should own a house and strong-arming banks into making it so, keeping the government dinosaurs Freddie and Fannie in business, and finally bailing out idiots large and small who got caught when the music stopped.
The reason government is a mess starts with FDR and continues right through Bush and is culminated in the statist incompetent we have now. Making government larger and more powerful will only ensure Corporate Fascism, not guard against it. We already have a bipartisan corporatacracy and pulling the plug on the Parasite on the Potomac is the only way to kill that cancer.

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By Peetawonkus, February 19, 2010 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

Capitalist
Nonsense. First, there is no “dominant liberal wing of the Democratic Party”. If only. The reason why there is public anger at Democrats is, quite simply, because they’ve acted like Republican Lite conservatives and have failed to enact the changes they were elected to carry out. If Obama and the Democrats actually carried out some Socialist programs, like nationalizing the banks we’ve bailed out twice in the last 20 years, we’d be in infinitely better shape than your proposal of throwing us on the tender mercies of the Free Market and getting rid of all government programs. That’s a great recipe for Corporate Fascism. What you are proposing is essentially the platform of the Confederacy, with wage slavery substituted for actual chains and whips. The unregulated private sector is what crashed the economy in the first place so turning the whole show over to them sounds a lot like curing a chainsaw wound with a gunshot to the head. I like your idea of cutting Defense spending by half, though.

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By Dave Schwab, February 19, 2010 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

“At this moment, President Barack Obama is losing, Democrats are losing and liberals are losing. “

Progressives are losing if we hitch our wagon to a party and president that support endless war, bailouts for billionaires, subsidies for profiteering insurance corporations, coal, nuclear, perpetuating Bush’s war on the Constitution, and trying to write climate legislation based on the demands of Goldman Sachs.

It’s time for the Green Party. Millions of Americans are ready. Millions more will be soon. How about it: a party based on grassroots democracy, social justice, nonviolence and ecology, and that refuses to take corporate money. Or would you rather continue ping-ponging back and forth between D and R until it all hits the fan?

http://gp.org/

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By Ouroborus, February 19, 2010 at 7:36 am Link to this comment

elisalouisa, February 19 at 11:23 am

I’d agree with you and ardee; MarthaA is way too
strident.
We live in interesting times, no?

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By elisalouisa, February 19, 2010 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

Of course Ardee you are correct. There is no way to recapture the Democratic
party that once was. This is also true of the Republican party. They both are in the
hands of corporate interests and Wall Street. It is difficult to see for some people
because their thinking crystalized some years ago as to the way things are.

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By Capitalist, February 19, 2010 at 6:56 am Link to this comment
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Capitalist

The reason Obama, who has no private sector experience, and the dominant liberal wing of the Democratic Party is failing is because their ideas stink to high heaven and the public isn’t buying it. They didn’t vote for Bush on Steroids. As socialist governments around the world, including ours, stagger towards bankruptcy, statists in both parties still cling to Keynesian nonsense as if it was gospel. Liberals are stunned at their rapid failure because they rarely get out of the liberal orbit-union halls, faculty lounges, government workplaces- and spend any time in the private sector where the only real recovery will start.
If we want to save our country, start with outlawing parasitic public service unions, pass a balanced budget amendment to the constitution, eliminate corporate welfare, and most other welfare, reduce burdensome regulation and taxes on business and get rid of the minimum wage law. Cut defense spending by half and serve notice we are no longer the worlds cop. Eliminate most government services and return the tax dollars where they will actually do some good; to the people who earned the money to begin with. Or we can continue sleepwalking on our current bipartisan path to national suicide, led by increasingly disconnected jackasses from both parties, mystified as to why the same failed statist policies of the last 70 years aren’t working

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By ardee, February 19, 2010 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

I speak as one who spent much time in local grassroots democratic party organisations. Thus I validate my belief that Martha has either never done so or posts for pay.

There is no way to recapture the party from the grassroots level, especially as the wishes of that level are completely ignored by the levels above. The party is a top down organsation and the only time the grassroot communities are considered is when requests for money or volunteers are necessary.

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By Peetawonkus, February 18, 2010 at 11:08 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA,
“...Democrats are the lesser of the two evils until the populace can get themselves together enough to take the Democratic Party back for the Liberals and Progressives.”

Let’s address the last part of your statement first. Your statement seem to assume that the Democratic Party was somehow taken away from us, the People, and all we have to do is take it back. It was never the People’s Party. It always was the somewhat nicer Corporate Party. But a party of the corporations and the ruling class nonetheless. Hence most Democrats deep reluctance to take on the powers-that-be: insurance companies, an out of control military, etc.

Being the lesser of two evils is a pretty sad commentary on the Democratic Party, especially if it’s the best we can hope for. We deserve better.

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By jdelassus, February 18, 2010 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

It seems the Republicans and their minions are all about tactics.  When they say that the best defense is a good offense they practice what they preach.  The strategy has been employed since health care reform was first proposed and it has been to attack, attack, attack.  It doesn’t matter how dumb, nonsensical, over-the-top or just plain outright lies they just keep hammering away.  Whether it be death panels, socialism, birthers, implied or overt racism, it doesn’t matter. The republicans are betting on fear and ignorance to carry the day for them. While many abhor those kinds of tactics it sometimes becomes necessary to fight fire with fire.  For instance, something like below may work although something crude and dumber might be more effective.

All these self-serving,lying Republicans should be put on trial for treason and summarily shot for being unloyal and unAmerican in putting their own personal financial and political gain above the common good of the country. And probably at least a third of the Democrats should also be shot for being ‘closet’ Republicans.

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By MarthaA, February 18, 2010 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

I do not think America’s problems are all President Obama’s fault, like the corporate Republican toadies Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Bill OReilly purport; and the last thing I want is for the Republican’s Tea Party to take over the Democratic Party.  I do not want the Republicans back in power at all.  Glenn Beck and the Fox Network may be able to manipulate and propagandize the populace enough that they will put the Republicans right back into power, but I don’t think so.  Surely the majority of the populace remember that the harm came from the Republican side.  There has been some foolish Democrats seduced by Republican money , but the Democrats are the lesser of the two evils until the populace can get themselves together enough to take the Democratic Party back for the Liberals and Progressives.

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By Peetawonkus, February 18, 2010 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA,
“There wouldn’t be any need for the populace to take the party over if the Democratic Party was fulfilling the job of being the party of the people, that is the reason the party has to be taken over.”

Yes, well, again, the Democratic Party is not the Party of the People and never was. Expecting it to be something that it is not is the source of a great deal of progressive angst at the moment. As if Obama was the second coming of FDR. It is, however, beginning to dawn on more and more progressives that the Democratic Party is simply too broken to fix.

But if you think you can work positive change from within…good luck with that.

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By G.Anderson, February 18, 2010 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment

Actually, the Democrats and President Obama are not losing they’ve lost.  It’s over. The Republicans are licking their chops and waiting, getting ready to resume rule all over again.

Because the Democrats, believed in manipulation in stead of listening. They thought that instead of listening to the people and doing what they promised in the campaign, they could instead, manipulate the people into believing that what they were doing was what they promised.

How much did they profit from selling out their countrymen? How much?

It’s over, it’s over. The Democratic Party wasn’t any better than the Republican Party after all, and they got caught.

What we have now is economic cannibalism. They’re eating us. And when we are all eaten, then they will have no choice but to turn on themselves. That’s what’s happening now. And that’s all you’re doing. Because then you can shirk your responsibility for what’s about to happen.

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By MarthaA, February 18, 2010 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

There wouldn’t be any need for the populace to take the party over if the Democratic Party was fulfilling the job of being the party of the people, that is the reason the party has to be taken over.

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By Ives, February 18, 2010 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

The ‘analysis’ in the above article is superficial. Dionne is nothing more than another corporate court scribbler. Why TD links to his articles is beyond me.

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By Peetawonkus, February 18, 2010 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA
“Taking over the Democratic Party can’t be done by a few, it will have to be done by many thousands and thousands of the populace at the same time, because the Democratic Party is the party of the people and when the populace get enough, they can take the Democratic Party over.” 

With all due respect, the Democratic Party is not the party of the People, and never has been. It projects the image of that, especially during election years. But the proof of what it is stands before us in Washington D.C. today. A party afraid of the People and also afraid of antagonizing its corporate masters and the military. Hence the deer-in-the-headlights look. This is not a Party that welcomes, or ever has welcomed, some surge of outraged citizenry ready to take it over and use it as a force for positive social change. Ain’t gonna happen. Sure, good people are in the Democratic Party. Sadly, they’re outnumbered.

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By screamingpalm, February 18, 2010 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

MarthA, I have to disagree with that sentiment as it only enables the charade to continue. Bsides, I don’t have the kind of cash to compete with these corporations to buy a politician, do you?

Nope, our best bet is to start support independents whom have some integrity- out only choice perhaps.

I’m not so sure that McCain would have been any worse than Obama- in fact he has shown to be more progressive on some issues.

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By the worm, February 18, 2010 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

The Democrats are losing because they have ignored the voters who put them
there. The most vivid example is their ‘signature reform effort’:

Item 1:? “A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New
York Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-
administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—
that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”

Item 2: As of February 2010, Democrats have mandated premium payments to
private sector insurers; required payment of tax money to private sector
insurers; stipulated the legality of insurers spending only 80 cents of every 100
cents on actual health care while spending 20 cents of every 100 cents on
lobbying, ‘sympathetic’ candidates, CEO bonuses, ‘administration’ and fighting
your claim for treatment; ignoring the single payer health care reform option.

Item 3: Other than Pharma and the insurance industry - those who created the
sop for themselves - no one (say 72%) supports this charade. Of course, the
Democrats who created Item 2 cannot expect support from voters.

Let’s look at other areas where the Democrats (especially Obama) have failed
the American people:

1.Ignoring previous Republican crimes, misdemeanors and profligacy ?– e.g. tax
cuts for the wealthy. ?
2. Supporting a stingy stimulus that was half of what was needed and ?was
one-third tax breaks, not jobs.
?3. Killing the only option that would have slowed the cost of health ?care & led
to universal coverage.
?4. Accelerating the Bush bailout, $ 4.3 Trillions in bailouts, ?guarantees and
purchasing assets from the private sector at well above market ?value.?
5. Escalating a meaningless and fruitless war.?
6. Gutting real financial reform and substitute finger wagging and silly ?taxes
and fees, while banking fees continue up, lending freezes and credit ?tightens.
?7. Not helping people with bankruptcy and mortgages remediation – ?
accelerating middle class decline.?
8. Fiddling around and not passing a jobs bill.?

It’s important to note these decisions are not the decisions of a ‘liberal’, but are
Republican Lite decisions, either continuing or intensifying Republican policies.

I wish we could make it clear that the ‘failure’ the Republicans speak of (and
certainly most liberals and traditional Democrats would agree) are not the
result of ‘liberal policies’ , but of warmed over Republican policies supported by
a President who ran as a Democrat.

The Democrats are failing , because they are supporting policies that are
essentially Republican Lite.

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By MarthaA, February 18, 2010 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

You can only hurt the populace more by letting the Republicans back in, we must reform the Democratic Party.  Perhaps you didn’t listen to Professor Cohen, re-listen, reforming the Democratic Party is the ONLY way. 

I know times are hard, but times would be so much worse if the Right-Wing, authoritative, autocratic, conservative, Republicans are allowed back into power.  The Republicans are the ones who caused the crisis in the first place.

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By Samson, February 18, 2010 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

Democrats are losing because they are liars.  Their party today is built on lies.  They lie to voters who are far more to the left than they are, and they pretend to support their causes when its election time.  Then they get elected and only serve to shovel money to their fat-cat supporters.

The Democrats are losing because they lied to their base in order to get elected in the first place.  Now, since they are not doing what they said they’d do to get elected, they are paying the price.

WaPo propagandists are well paid to spin lots of BS that says anything but that.

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By Caro, February 18, 2010 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

Liberals haven’t even been given a seat at the table in
many years. We lose even when Democrats win.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

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By MarthaA, February 18, 2010 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

Taking over the Democratic Party can’t be done by a few, it will have to be done by many thousands and thousands of the populace at the same time, because the Democratic Party is the party of the people and when the populace get enough, they can take the Democratic Party over.  They can’t take it over if they think they can’t, but if they will try, they will find that they can.  Listen to these interviews with Professor Jeff Cohen relative to taking over the Democratic Party:

Progressives and the Democratic Party - Part 1:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=4775

Progressives and the Democratic Party - Part 2:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=4783

Progressives and the Democratic Party - Part 3:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=4786

Progressives and the Democratic Party - Part 4:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=4787

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