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Posted on May 22, 2011
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By Chris Hedges

The liberal class, which attempted last week to discredit the words my friend Cornel West spoke about Barack Obama and the Democratic Party, prefers comfort and privilege to justice, truth and confrontation. Its guiding ideological stance is determined by what is most expedient to the careers of its members. It refuses to challenge, in a meaningful way, the decaying structures of democracy or the ascendancy of the corporate state. It glosses over the relentless assault on working men and women and the imperial wars that are bankrupting the nation. It proclaims its adherence to traditional liberal values while defending and promoting systems of power that mock these values.The pillars of the liberal establishment—the press, the church, culture, the university, labor and the Democratic Party—all honor an unwritten quid pro quo with corporations and the power elite, as well as our masters of war, on whom they depend for money, access and positions of influence. Those who expose this moral cowardice and collaboration with corporate power are always ruthlessly thrust aside.

The capitulation of the liberal class to corporate capitalism, as Irving Howe once noted, has “bleached out all political tendencies.” The liberal class has become, Howe wrote, “a loose shelter, a poncho rather than a program; to call oneself a liberal one doesn’t really have to believe in anything.” The decision to subordinate ethics to political expediency has led liberals to steadily surrender their moral autonomy, voice and beliefs to the dictates of the corporate state. As Dwight Macdonald wrote in “The Root Is Man,” those who do not make human beings the center of their concern soon lose the capacity to make any ethical choices, for they willingly sacrifice others in the name of the politically expedient and practical.

By extolling the power of the state as an agent of change, as well as measuring human progress through the advances of science, technology and consumption, liberals abetted the cult of the self and the ascendancy of the corporate state. The liberal class placed its faith in the inevitability of human progress and abandoned the human values that should have remained at the core of its activism. The state, now the repository of the hopes and dreams of the liberal class, should always have been seen as the enemy. The destruction of the old radical and militant movements—the communists, socialists and anarchists—has left liberals without a source of new ideas. The link between an effective liberal class and a more radical left was always essential to the health of the former. The liberal class, by allowing radical movements to be dismembered through Red baiting and by banishing those within its ranks who had moral autonomy, gradually deformed basic liberal tenets to support unfettered capitalism, the national security state, globalization and permanent war. Liberalism, cut off from the radical roots of creative and bold thought, merged completely with the corporate power elite. The liberal class at once was betrayed and betrayed itself. And it now functions like a commercial brand, giving a different flavor, face or spin to the ruthless mechanisms of corporate power. This, indeed, is the primary function of Barack Obama.

The liberal class, despite becoming an object of widespread public scorn, prefers the choreographed charade. It will decry the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or call for universal health care, but continue to defend and support a Democratic Party that has no intention of disrupting the corporate machine. As long as the charade is played, the liberal class can hold itself up as the conscience of the nation without having to act. It can maintain its privileged economic status. It can continue to live in an imaginary world where democratic reform and responsible government exist. It can pretend it has a voice and influence in the corridors of power. But the uselessness and irrelevancy of the liberal class are not lost on the tens of millions of Americans who suffer the indignities of the corporate state. And this is why liberals are rightly despised by the working class and the poor.

The liberal class is incapable of reforming itself. It does not hold within its ranks the rebels and iconoclasts who have the moral or physical courage to defy the corporate state and power elite. And when someone such as Cornel West speaks out, packs of careerist liberals—or perhaps one should call them neoliberals—descend on the apostate like hellhounds, never addressing the truths that are expressed but instead engaging in vicious character assassination. The same thing happened to Ralph Nader, Noam Chomsky, Dennis Kucinich, Jeremiah Wright and others who defied the political orthodoxy of corporate capitalism. The corporate forces, which have taken control of the press and which break unions, run the universities, fund the arts and own the Democratic Party, demand the banishment of all who question the good intentions of the powerful. Liberals who comply are tolerated within the system. They are permitted to busy themselves with the boutique activism of political correctness, inclusiveness or multiculturalism. If they attempt to fight for the primacy of justice, they become pariahs.

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By katsteevns, June 29, 2011 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

Keep it coming, TAO Walker!!

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By katsteevns, June 29, 2011 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment

by Gary Mont

“As long as the entire middle and professional class are busy spending their cash, or praying the elite don’t steal their property too, or pretending there is nothing amiss, absolutely nothing changes…”

Got THAT right! Right on the money! You can take that to the bank!....“there is nothing amiss”

Someone PLEEEEASE throw a shoe at Obama on national television!!!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 28, 2011 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Anyhow, if this Old Man’s ‘prescription’ is so
patently worthless as “Inherit The Wind” would have everybody believe, why go toall the trouble he does to call attention to it (which may only prompt ‘others’ to
want to check it out….and perhaps come to see it much differently)?

*****

Well, you can always hope for that.

Not much chance as most people here don’t see the answer to our problems to be found by casting the I Ching, which you seem to.

Hokem-Today!

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By TAO Walker, June 28, 2011 at 7:24 am Link to this comment

Us surviving Free Wild Peoples certainly include “the banks of the Hudson” (not the
River’s real name) in Indian Country.  Anyhow, if this Old Man’s ‘prescription’ is so
patently worthless as “Inherit The Wind” would have everybody believe, why go to
all the trouble he does to call attention to it (which may only prompt ‘others’ to
want to check it out….and perhaps come to see it much differently)?

This Indian, meantime, will stand on ‘the record’ as it actually exists here, so
happy to let the windy fellah have “the last word”....if he wants it.

HokaHey!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 27, 2011 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

  “Inherit The Wind”
hisown"self” seems to suffer from the very same serious deficiency, in his critical faculties, that he claims to be so CONcerned might have ‘others’ (in what he implies is theirs) led-astray by this Old Savage’s ‘prescription’ for what ails our tame Sisters and Brothers.  He poses here as a “self”-selected ‘lifeguard,’ but gives every indication of not only being unable to ‘swim,’ but of being deathly afraid of The Water.

**********

What have you actually suggested? Nothing but a thousands of vague and meaningless nostrums. Your own lack of self-CONtrol and inability to CONvince people or CONnect them to their true inner self betrays you as the snake oil salesman.

And I grew up on the banks of the Hudson, not out a million miles away in “Indian Country”.

Nothing but more…

Hokem-Today.

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By bennu-phoenix, June 27, 2011 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

thanks Mr. Montt

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By bennu-phoenix, June 27, 2011 at 5:50 pm Link to this comment

yea the bottom’s getting bigger mr. mont…the top twenty percent who,  Robert Reich, in his book “The Work of Nations” calls the symbolic anyalyst class control 88 percent of the the wealth…while the rest of the proles get a measly 12%. Call it the coal mine canary syndrome. I shared my story knowing if would probably be descredited by overly verbal sophists such as some of the people who are conducting weird arguments not even related to the topic of Chris Hedge’s article. My paranoid radar tells me that these folks are either paid obstructors or bored to tears with merely stating basic truths. You´re right. The upper classes are still living large and still believe in the American Nightmare.
A chlling non sequitor! I read yesterday that drone crafts are being constructed that are the size of insects.

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By Gary Mont, June 27, 2011 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

bennu-phoenix: <i>.....if enough upstanding folk…..</b>

And there’s the rub. Times are tough for those at the bottom and the bottom is getting bigger all the time, but these are still great times to be a member of the upper middle class - to own three or four cars, two homes and a cottage, a yacht, all the latest electronic toys, a mistress, a personal trainer… to be able to send your kids to the best schools where they can learn to exploit the poor even better and insure their own future…

Why would anyone give up all of this simply because the peasants are bitching that their canola gruel has maggots in it?? They should be charged for the extra meat… and that would help make the payments on that third home in Yosemite…

As long as the entire middle and professional class are busy spending their cash, or praying the elite don’t steal their property too, or pretending there is nothing amiss, absolutely nothing changes and the national robbery continues towards its inevitable end. At which point the elite simply fly off in their Lear jets to their villas in Spain and Russia; their loot safely tucked away in Swiss vaults.

(Wanna catch most of the big-time crooks on earth in one foul swoop - open up the Swiss Banking records to the public.)

Once these classes realize they are the next target on the elite’s to-do list, it is simply too late to do anything but try and hide the jewelry.

BTW - on tearing up the currency - gnarly dewd. smile

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By TAO Walker, June 27, 2011 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

“Inherit The Wind” is fully exposed now for being simply a bald-faced liar.  In no
place at any time does this Old Man “....attack Pete Seeger’s work on the
Clearwater.”

If anybody here has attempted vainly to besmirch that fine achievement (which
Pete Seeger openly acknowledges was the fruit of thousands of good People
being involved, and NOT some single-handed super-hero feat, as the windy
‘one’ tries typically to misrepresent), it is that gaseous breech-loader
hisown"self.”  He did it when he alleged below (trying to gain for his “self” a
little entirely undeserved “glory-by-association”) that activists like Pete Seeger
and Ralph Nader and Erin Brockovitch have persevered in their efforts because
they suffer the same sort of crippling (and ‘clinical’) Obsessive/Compulsive
Disorder that is on CONstant display in his own hate-filled and CONcupiscent
non-CONtributions to discussions here….at-least whenever they are aimed at
Yours Truly.

Whatever deep-seated bitterness and animosity is driving whoever in hell
“Inherit The Wind” is when he’s at-home, trying in his customary cowardly
pseudonymous fashion to vent some of its (must-be-awful) ‘pressure’ on his
own straw-man effigy of this Old Indian, whom he doesn’t know Personally at-
all,  can only be making things worse for ‘one’ who (based on the CONsistently
vitriolic nature of his ‘postings’)  appears to be an already seriously disturbed
“individual”....a deterioration which sure shows-up in the increasingly toxic
effluent of his virtual ‘presence’ here in cyberspace.

HokaHey!

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By bennu-phoenix, June 27, 2011 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

The only way to fight is civil disobedience…if enough upstanding folk, for example, college professors doctors lawyers are willing to sacrifice their well-paid “American Dream” to achieve social justice then perhaps things will change, perhaps folks will listen. I did nine months in federal jail for a “bank robbery” in Albuquerque in June of 2006. I handed the teller a note, she gave me 41 dollars and i ripped up the money while talking about Greed being akin to genocide. Everyone, even my Federal Public Defender laughed at my 60’s antics. I was informed that the sixties were over. Well my individual action seems a bit prophetic given the current socio-economic landscape of our collapsing empire. If enough so-called activists were really willing to put there lives on the line and go to jail and prison with preparation and outside resources that would enable them to organize while in the slam maybe something would happen. Yes, people with status who have large social networks need to sacrifice something not just talk about it. This symbolic protest slap-on-the-wrist shit just won’t get the job done…it never did…it just made the participants feel they were doing something constructive. My call is to put our bodies were our ideology is…there need to be “actions” every day of the week, every hour of the day if we are ever going to get close to a critical mass that might change things….but in reality we are already doomed…it’s so interesting watching an Empire collapse on live televsion etc…The movie “Earth” by Deepa Mehta shows the carnage related to the partitioning of India and Pakistan following the non-violent Ghandhi years….unfortunately folks, there aren’t going to be any happy Hollywood endings to this tidal wave of “blow-back”...(okay friends and mean mouth critcs fire away…lol!!!)

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By Inherit The Wind, June 27, 2011 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

TW turns on a dime, yet again.  First he attacks Pete Seeger’s work on the Clearwater, then claims he joined in on it.  He’s good enough at disowning his own statements to be a Republican politician!

Hokem-Today!

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By katsteevns, June 27, 2011 at 2:53 am Link to this comment

Footage of Hedges’ arrest:

Veterans For Peace Protest War Outside White House
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIb5CniKCas

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By katsteevns, June 27, 2011 at 2:24 am Link to this comment

‘Hope Is Action’: Hedges and Ellsberg Arrested at White House Protest

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/hope_is_action_hedges_ellsberg_arrested_at_white_house_protest_20101217/?ln

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By Gary Mont, June 27, 2011 at 12:52 am Link to this comment

patrick skey:Well in the final analysis let’s see if Mr. Hedges is willing to do something that will send him to prison. Let’s see if he’s willing to practice the Civil Disobedience that he advocates.

I’m not absolutely certain, but methinks Mr. Hedges has already spent some time in jail for civil disobedience.

Others here who know if this is so, confirm or deny this, please.

However, are you claiming that those who possess the ability to think of what is needed in a certain situation must also possess the wherewithall to do what is needed in that situation, or we should consider their advise to be useless?

Just curious….

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By TAO Walker, June 26, 2011 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

This Indian was among those joining with Pete Seeger, on several occasions
over the years, in the sustained efforts he spearheaded to clean-up the Hudson
River…..along with thousands of similarly dedicated Persons over that extended
‘campaign.’  “Inherit The Wind,” who is merely trying “self”-ishly to hijack some
of the ‘credit’ (for such genuinely meaningful actions) by pretending that his
own school-yard antics, here in the ‘safety’ of cyberspace, are somehow in the
same league with what is actually achieved in the Living World by Persons and
Peoples who have both the courage of their causes and the integrity to see them
through.  Instead, he only exposes, again, his own CONgenital hypocrisy and
chronic dishonesty….pitiful. 

So once more out of his ‘breech,’ the windy fellah demonstrates not only his
habitual discursive delinquency, but his juvenile
arrogance/ignorance….knowing neither what nor whom he is yammering so
foolishly about.

HokaHey!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 26, 2011 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

Lemme see…should I respect Pete Seeger for his efforts to make things better, or his disparager, Tao Walker….Pete or Tao, Pete or Tao….Pete or Tao….(6 hours later)...Hmmm, Pete or Tao….

No, it doesn’t take 6 hours.  It didn’t take 6 seconds.  Tao TALKS about “respecting” a river.  Pete actually cleaned one up. 

Life is just as simple as that. At least if you compost bullshit you can use it as fertilizer….

(more) Hokem-Today!

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By patrick skey, June 26, 2011 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment
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Well in the final analysis let’s see if Mr. Hedges is
willing to do something that will send him to prison.
Let’s see if he’s willing to practice the Civil
Disobedience that he advocates.

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By TAO Walker, June 26, 2011 at 7:27 am Link to this comment

No doubt everybody here he deems not smart enough, to reach their own
“correct” understandings about this Old Indian’s offerings, is duly grateful to
“Inherit The Wind” for his “self”-appointed efforts to protect them from the
CONsequences of their deficiency.  What would we ever do without the
generous servicings of such a compulsively CONscientious (not-to-mention
obsessively CONtentious) “individual” keeping us all in dis-order?

Notice, though, how he puts his own pseudonymous attempted thought-
policing (of commentary on a ‘blog’ in the no-where that is cyberspace) on a
par (a ‘pedestal’ even) with such actual Living World efforts as cleaning-up
rivers, working to lessen the destructive effects of industrial waste products on
their hapless CONsumers, or helping those who’ve been harmed by corporate
profit-taking to get some redress for their actual injuries.  “Inherit The Wind”
hisown"self” seems to suffer from the very same serious deficiency, in his
critical faculties, that he claims to be so CONcerned might have ‘others’ (in what
he implies is theirs) led-astray by this Old Savage’s ‘prescription’ for what ails
our tame Sisters and Brothers.  He poses here as a “self”-selected ‘lifeguard,’
but gives every indication of not only being unable to ‘swim,’ but of being
deathly afraid of The Water.

Now that, here in Indian Country, is the very picture of a CON artist trying to
peddle horse piss for “perfume”......and pusillanimously, at that.

HokaHey!

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By Gary Mont, June 25, 2011 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment

katsteevns Re: Jackwagon

Sincere thanks. Great insult.

Always found derogatory terms fascinating.

Urban dictionary eh.
An extra thanks for that. smile

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By katsteevns, June 25, 2011 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

@ Gary Mont

JACK WAGON

n. Slang term derived from the Freight or Chow wagons used in the late 19th century. These were often the last wagons in a wagon train, making them the least favorable to drive due to the dust, waste, and debris from the front of the train.

When used as in insult it refers to one’s lack of intelligence, implying the insultee is capable of no more than operating a Chow wagon.
You’re doing it wrong, you Jack wagon!

Urban Dictionary

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By Inherit The Wind, June 24, 2011 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

I just have a real problem with “snake oil” and “snake oil” salesmen.

OCD? I guess you can call ANYONE who fights “snake oil” OCD. Or fights crime. Or fights pollution. You could say that Erin Brockovitch has OCD. So does Ralph Nader.  And certainly Pete Seeger…obsessively sailing a sloop up and down the Hudson for 45 years to get it cleaned up.

But that is not the definition of OCD.  TW is yet again trying to play word games to weasel out of the latest contradictory corner he finds himself backed into.

Me? I’m just trying to convince people that a “snake oil” pusher is just that.  Not someone to be admired, followed or applauded, but to be called out for peddling BS.

Hokem-Today!

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By Gary Mont, June 24, 2011 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

ardee: ...little jackwagon.

Umm… don’t mean to interrupt this apparently endless but fascinating discussion, but, do you have a reference to that term??

Jackwagon.

Never came across the term before. I asssume its derogatory, but a short description or a link to a reference would be greatly appreciated, if you don’t mind.

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By TAO Walker, June 24, 2011 at 9:18 am Link to this comment

Pity the poor windy fellah, “self”-appointed wannabe censor of whatever he
deems, gratuitously and arbitrarily, to be not ‘suitable’ for public CONsumption
here,  who yet again falls-off-the-wagon (of his own stated intention to ignore
this Old Indian)....and into yet another “pile” of the “shit” he regularly dumps
into the discourse here.  Anybody who still doesn’t ‘get’ that “Inherit The-Wind,”
whoever in Hell he is when he’s at-home (in New Jersey?), has got some kind of
rabidly over-reactive OCD where Yours Truly is concerned….well, please feel
free to raise your own schizo-scatological ‘stink.’

Meanwhile, has anybody ‘else’ noticed that the chronic (and manic) nitpickers
never ‘engage’ on actual substance, but are always “....beating-on (the) dead
horse” of some utterly superficial quirk of ‘style’ or (implied) ‘tone’, or some
semantic superfluity…perhaps trying to stampede a discussion down the false
trail of some trivial nonsense at-best vaguely peripheral or tangential to the-
matter-at-hand?  Does anybody ‘else’ ever wonder just what-in-hell it is,
about mere words in cyberspace, that so frightens these poor people?   

The domesticated CONtingent of “mankind” surely is in deep….well, trouble; as
“elisalouisa” suggests.

HokaHey!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 24, 2011 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

A huge handicap, here in the virtual world, is having only these strings of type-scripted words to go by.  Vocal nuances and physical expressions, among other similarly ‘telling’ aspects of face-to-face communications, are altogether absent from this ‘medium.’ 
**********

IOW, you are forced to actually USE the language rather than rely on gestures, carefully timed smirks, nods and other audience-participatory techniques available to try to perfume away the stink of utter bullshit.  You can pour a quart of No.5 Channel on a pile of bullshit but it will still be bullshit.

(more) Hokem-Today!

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By elisalouisa, June 24, 2011 at 5:29 am Link to this comment

No CONning in your last post TAO Walker.  Wherever you are it is obvious you are at home in your surroundings.  Although the joys of life are many and each moment should be savored,  pity not just the immigrant but all of mankind.

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By TAO Walker, June 23, 2011 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

Not sure how come “elisalouisa” is suddenly so intent on ‘placing’ this Old Man
in “Yellowstone”....or seems to think there’s some special significance in an
ancient pickup truck that rarely goes through as much as 70 or 80 gallons of
gas in an entire year.  Last year it was less than 50, and so far only 25, this year,
with half of that still in the tank right now.  If there’s some ‘point’ she’s trying to
make, with these oblique references to things this Old Indian has maybe
mentioned in-passing (though “Yellowstone” doesn’t even clear that low bar),
maybe she should just put whatever it is into plain words.

“Night-Gaunt” is indeed generally (though not always) more “soft-spoken” in
his offerings on this forum than is Yours Truly.  So what?  “Gerard,” for just one
example, is positively grandmotherly in most of her compellingly Peace-filled
approaches to issue after issue here.  Seems like most participants are more-
or-less ‘edgy’ depending on their own sense of how much this or that subject
‘matters’....in the scheme of The Ten-Thousand Things as it is accessible to
each of them.

A huge handicap, here in the virtual world, is having only these strings of type-
scripted words to go by.  Vocal nuances and physical expressions, among other
similarly ‘telling’ aspects of face-to-face communications, are altogether
absent from this ‘medium.’  So people with “individual” axes to grind get to
impute anything that serves their purpose into the essentially one-dimensional
structural linearity unavoidable in this “technology.”  Most here seem to refrain
conscientiously from the too-easy discursive delinquency these limitations
make so tempting.  Some, though (mentioning no pseudonyms), seem
incapable of resisting the cheap-shot thrills of such juvenile “self”-abuse as
we’ve seen quite a bit of lately on this particular ‘thread.’

It does seem fair to wonder, however, what drives any given “individual” to
obsess-over and verbally virtually ‘assault’, sometimes rather viciously, what
are, after-all, only their own made-up effigies of other participants here.  That
it fills some crying ‘need,’ in what is likely a more-or-less miserable half-life,
is probably, much more often than not, the simple truth.  That such weaknesses
can be, and doubtless sometimes are, exploited by interests heavily-vested in
propagandizing for some questionable ‘special-interest’ point-of-view, as is
regularly suggested here, is also well within the effectively infinite “realm” of
possibility.

Of course, bottom-line-wise there’s almost nothing more ethereal, and with
less actually discernible “impact” in our Living World, than what doesn’t really
‘happen’ on these cyberspace-based “blogs.”  Those who react so rabidly as
some do habitually here, to as-near-to-nothing-at-all as there is, illustrate
and exemplify some of the more debilitating effects of the “civilization” disease
process on our domesticated Human Relations. 

Which is how come us surviving Free Wild Native Peoples here on Turtle Island
do sincerely “....pity the poor immigrant.”

HokaHey!

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By ardee, June 23, 2011 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

TAO Walker, June 23 at 8:40 am

Why, I wonder, are you so unaware that your phony spiritual crapfest is blown to smithereens by such a post as you offer, again and again. You descend into the muck so very easily for one who attempts the pose you try and fail to adopt.

I am more positive than ever that you are a phony and attention seeking pathetic little jackwagon.

Thanks ever so much for yet another confirmation.

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By elisalouisa, June 23, 2011 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

I know one thing, if we don’t find a means to work together to protect the earth, and hence our selves. We will be doomed to feel the full weight of Nature blowing back on us for all the thoughtlessness and misdeeds done to it an hence, ourselves.

In essence that is the message I derive from Tao Walker. I know that to be true. Night Gaunt is more gentle in the telling.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 23, 2011 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

Ardee not all cultures see North and South the way we do like the Egyptians for instance.

I know one thing, if we don’t find a means to work together to protect the earth, and hence our selves. We will be doomed to feel the full weight of Nature blowing back on us for all the thoughtlessness and misdeeds done to it an hence, ourselves.

Humans have the capacity to ignore cause and effect. We see it all around us if we want to. Too many in power do not or will not.

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By elisalouisa, June 23, 2011 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

It is my understanding that there are webcams in Yellowstone, Tao Rider. I suggest you place yourself before one and post the website on Truthdig. You could take a long walk to your truck and then ride toward the webcam, waving.

Hopefully, we could both share this humor in such a happening.

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By TAO Walker, June 23, 2011 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

Going just by the near-unexceptioned emptiness of their chronically “self”-referential ‘inputs’ here, it seems fair to say that neither “Ardee” nor “Inherit The Wind” is actually at-all interested in being part of any kind of fruitful intercourse.  Their relentlessly sterile and repetitive ad hominem verbal ejaculations serve only the perverse needs and degenerate purposes of the silly “self” to which they’ve each so obviously surrendered so unCONditionally.  They essay these gratuitous exposures, of their CONgenital vacuity, in pitiably vain attempts to “rational”-ize and excuse the immature behavior they display here CONsistently, each in his/her own peculiarly monomanic fashion, by obsessing-over the trivial and superfluous. 

This trait in “Ardee,” for example, couldn’t be better-illustrated than by the futility so-far of no-doubt good-faith tries, by “Anarcissie,” to alert him to the critical distinction to be made between mere maps and actual Living Land.  She CONtinues to insist, though, that her labels-of-choice ARE the things he pastes-them-on….and so ALL must CONform to her “self”-gratifying CONceits. 

Both these purveyors of sophomoronic bullshit have claimed, in posts here, that they believe it to be an unCONscionable waste of time and effort to even read (let alone acknowledge by responding-to) this Old Man’s offerings.  They’ve each declared loudly their own intentions never to bother, and urged other participants to imitate them in that regard….often with the kind of school-yard taunting which betrays their own serious lack of maturity.  (A recent object of their juvenile scorn was “elisalouisa”....whom “Inherit The Wind” has, however, attempted lately to ‘court,’ after she expressed some “disenchantment” with some things this Old Savage wrote.)  Yet both seem unable to resist doing what they’ve vowed publicly not to do anymore.

All-in-all, the strident tone and counterfeit CONtent of their flabby and “self”-fixated commentary, on just about anything or anybody, suggests strongly that the failings they attempt so dishonestly to impute to others are entirely the ‘property’ of their very own “self”....and apparently it exists in near endless supply.

HokaHey!

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By Anarcissie, June 23, 2011 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

ardee, June 23 at 4:40 am:

‘For those uncertain:

By TAO Walker, June 19 at 8:13 am Link to this comment


Turtle Island is all the land in the Northern Hemisphere ‘below’ the isthmus of
“Panama” and between the Sunrise and Sunset Seas.

Perhaps its dyslexia?
Maybe, as his posts suggest, he spends his time standing on his head, which would actually make his reference correct?

Below the Isthmus of Panama is south and only south.’

Only by convention.  TAO Walker is free to turn his maps whatever way he pleases.  You can, in fact, get maps with the Southern Hemisphere at the top:
http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversed_map

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By ardee, June 23, 2011 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

For those uncertain:

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Turtle Island is all the land in the Northern Hemisphere ‘below’ the isthmus of
“Panama” and between the Sunrise and Sunset Seas.

Perhaps its dyslexia?
Maybe, as his posts suggest, he spends his time standing on his head, which would actually make his reference correct?

Below the Isthmus of Panama is south and only south.

I’m sticking with my gut feeling that this one is an attention starved adolescent and nothing more than that.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 23, 2011 at 3:27 am Link to this comment

TW:
You just get funnier and funnier!

That you think you can “analyze” me and my psyche from your “Turtle Island” haven is hilarious.

BTW, I’m guessin’ that New Jersey isn’t on Turtle Island….But I don’t know why not. Half the names of the towns are from Native Americans who were here first: Hohokus, Parsippany, Hopatcong, just to name a few.

“I Pity The Poor Immigrant”—Bob Dylan, “John Wesley Harding”, the same album where Dylan first recorded “All Along The Watchtower”.  Someone gave me that album for my birthday back in the ‘60’s.

(oops.  One more obscure reference not so obscure)

Hokem-Today! (and everyday)

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By TAO Walker, June 22, 2011 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

A symptom of the “self”-obsession “Inherit The Wind” is suffering such a full-blown ‘case’ of, is an unshakable CONviction that everybody ‘else’ just has to be equally (or even worse) infected.  Thus his CONstant ad hominem potshots, at ‘targets’ existing nowhere in this Whole Living Universe except his own fevered captive imagination, in vain attempts to ‘wound’ what he just has to assume is another ‘fragile ego’ “out there.”

So far as this Old Savage is concerned, “elisalouisa” is and has right-along been as free as any of us here to take-or-leave, according to their own best lights, anything offered by any other participant.  Is “Inherit The Wind” so desperate, for some company in his “self”-imposed misery, that he’s willing, hell, eager to shanghai any and every ‘poster’ who gives even a hint of finding something “disagree-able” in something this Old Man has put into the-mix?

Since that’d be just about every ‘regular’ here, at one time or another, you’d think he’d be at-least a little bit grateful-for, if not outright embarrassed (from olde English; em-bare-assed:  Spanish equivalent, embarrazada, meaning “pregnant”) about such an abundance of such undeserved “riches.”  There’s just no satisfying the insatiable “self” of some people, though.

Then there are the never-inCONsequential repercussions of declaring, in-public, a CONviction ‘one’ subsequently fails to show the courage-of….in-public.  It looks like “Inherit The Wind” might be caught in a heterodyning positive-feedback-loop, a “vicious circle” entirely of his own CONstruction.

“Pity the poor immigrant.”

HokaHey!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 22, 2011 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

She is, however, very much mistaken if she thinks this Old Man is actually “enjoy(ing)” having to employ these “toy”-like ‘protheses’ in attempts to communicate that viable alternative to those who’ve let their usurping “self” render the natural Persons they ARE utterly dependent-on (and addicted-to) the damned things. 
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TW, you’ve finally even alienated Elisalouisa!  I guess you CAN work miracles!  Welcome to the Dark Side, EL!

ROFLMAO!

Hokem-Today!

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By katsteevns, June 22, 2011 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

@ Anarcissie,

No, I think he said that Turtle Island was all the land below Panama and above the Equator.

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By TAO Walker, June 22, 2011 at 8:10 am Link to this comment

This Indian certainly bows to the un-surpassed (and CONstantly-on-display-here) expertise of “Ardee,” when it comes to “sad”-ness and “stupid”-ity.  Thanks, though, to both “Night-Gaunt” and “Anarcissie” for clarifying what Yours Truly apparently failed completely (no-doubt due to a full and fair share of the latter disability) to get-across to “Ardee,” and probably ‘others,’ (perhaps, at-least in-part, because of an over-abundance of it in the possession of her, and their, very own “self”).

Maybe “elisalouisa” is only exposing below her own gripping obsession with the “doom” hanging-over homo domesticus.  This Old Savage, on-the-other-hand, is here suggesting a Way by which its presently quite gloomy probabilities, particularly where the prospects of our tame Sisters and Brothers are concerned, might still be ameliorated somewhat….namely, a good healthy ‘dose’ of The Living Virtue of Organic Functional Integrity. 

She is, however, very much mistaken if she thinks this Old Man is actually “enjoy(ing)” having to employ these “toy”-like ‘protheses’ in attempts to communicate that viable alternative to those who’ve let their usurping “self” render the natural Persons they ARE utterly dependent-on (and addicted-to) the damned things.  Any genuine joy that shows-up in offerings here is due entirely, rather, to being altogether ‘caught-up’ in the never-ending Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself.  Being fully engaged in The Circle of UnCONditional Spontaneous Affection, which is to say “feeling-the-LOVE” of and for Mother Earth and ALL Our Relations and Free Wild Peoples everywhere (and the captive peoples, too), doesn’t hurt a bit, either. 

Then there’re all the mutually beneficial effects of participating in the giving and receiving freely of un-divided respectful precious attention.  So what’s NOT to like, eh? 

If “elisalouisa,” and her fellah ‘n’ gal sufferers who’ve been “doom”-ed by their sick and sickening “self” to (at-best) a diminishing half-life of chronic fear and perpetual disCONtent, were to take The Medicine and finally get-over their “self, in-other-words actually TRY it…well, they might like it, too.

HokaHey!

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By Anarcissie, June 22, 2011 at 5:27 am Link to this comment

ardee—I believe he said North America was ‘below’ Central America, which it is if you orient a map of the Earth such that the south is at the top.  Which way a map is oriented is merely a convention; in the Middle Ages, the east was often at the top, hence this meaning of the word orient.

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By ardee, June 22, 2011 at 2:58 am Link to this comment

Native Wisdom reminds us, lest we forget, of the Natural (and even “historical”) Fact that “North America” is a term used by occupying invaders from Europe for the “continent” of Turtle Island.

So, unable to keep up with your own fanciful efforts huh little big man? A few posts earlier you claimed that Turtle Island was south of Central America, now you rather smoothly shift it to where it actually belongs without skipping a beat.

You are as sad and stupid as I have noted all along.

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By elisalouisa, June 22, 2011 at 1:35 am Link to this comment

Tao Walker June 17 11:09 a.m.The Ancients urge us ALL to, in-effect, stick-to-our-knitting, giving no thought at-all to who, if anybody, will ever wear the ‘sweater.’

A gem of wisdom tossed into your writings that deliver the message of our doom. You do find comfort in such a thought. You want it both ways Tao Walker, to enjoy the toys the “invaders” have provided by way of their vehicles, computers, etc., and then berate the “occupiers” of this land for qualities that one such as you finds undesirable. Your wisdom must tell you that it all comes in one package. Tao Walker, who no longer walks but rides through Yellowstone, if that is where you really are.

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By TAO Walker, June 21, 2011 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

Native Wisdom reminds us, lest we forget, of the Natural (and even “historical”) Fact that “North America” is a term used by occupying invaders from Europe for the “continent” of Turtle Island.  The “self”-possessed peoples caught in the “global” gulag just seem to be (despite Alfred Korzybski’s best efforts) CONgenitally incapable of differentiating between the make-believe of their “map,” and the the actual Living Land the map is NOT.

No wonder they’re so LOST!

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, June 21, 2011 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

It was prob’ly too much to HOPE! that “Inherit The Wind” would be able to actually demonstrate the courage of what he said below were his CONvictions….vis-a-vis having said his last “say” about this Old Indian who is NOT a Hindu.  It’s not all that surprising, though, that in the searing heat of this raging cyber-battle, a markedman of his ex-calibre would just have to CHANGE! course, and hurl his empty rhetoric “Once more into the breech!”....oh, wait, that’s “breach!”

As for “Ardee,” who also boasted proudly awhile ago about being able to easily “turbo scroll” past this Old Man’s modest offerings here….would that he, too, could prove to be as good as his ‘word.’  Think of all the pearls-of-‘wikipedium’ she could be sharing with us, were it not for having to perform his “self”-appointed duty of making sure everybody knows how absolutely dead-certain she can be….about things that just ain’t so.

What in hell is it with these people, anyhow!?

HokaHey!

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By Night-Gaunt, June 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

These days “Indian country” is used by our soldiers for any place they find themselves on this earth as the tentacles of the external empire reach ever further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Island_(North_America)

“Turtle Island is a term used by several Northeastern Woodland Native American tribes, especially the Haudenosaunee or Iroquois Confederacy, for the continent of North America.”[1]

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By ardee, June 21, 2011 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

TAO Walker, June 21 at 10:16 am

Happened to see my name and decided that answering you was necessary.

You boast about living on “Turtle Island” yet you haven’t the foggiest damn notion of what the term represents. That you had the freaking gall to post an off the wall definition thereof was hysterical frankly. I cannot wait to show it to my Red Lakes Band Chippewa grandson in fact.

This makes you the moron I have been stating that you are all along.

You are a phony, perhaps even an attention seeking adolescent living in his mothers garage. What you are not is truthful. That I cited one link to one source regarding the mythic Turtle Island doesn’t mean I cannot post a hundred more of them from many sources, including Native American ones.

Your penchant for diminishing the messenger because the message damns your phony persona is just more fuel on the fire of your raging imbecility. You seek to perpetrate a fraud here and those who continue to respond to you assist you in doing so.

You are a clown, nothing more and nothing less.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 21, 2011 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

No TW: You don’t live in Indian Country. You are not an Indian (unless you aren’t telling us about your sub-continental roots) and you are not a savage.

1.3 Billion people live in Indian Country, but they prefer to call it India.

Hokem-Today!

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By TAO Walker, June 21, 2011 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

“Inherit The Wind” brings us the Good News, finally:  “That’s all (he has) left to
say.”  Well….we’ll see.

“Ardee” CONfesses to being CONtent to half-live in the virtual world-o’-hurt as
defined by “wikipedia.”  S/he could prob’ly do worse….will do, chances are.

Meanwhile, here in Indian Country, we’re ALL doing much better these
Days….thank you for asking.

HokaHey!

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By ardee, June 21, 2011 at 3:17 am Link to this comment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Island

Geography

  Turtle Island, Queensland (disambiguation), the name of four islands in Queensland, Australia
  Turtle Islands, Tawi-Tawi, a group of islands in the Southern Philippines
  Turtle Islands National Park, a collective name for three islands in Sabah, Malaysia
  Another name for Gueishan Island, an island off the northeast coast of Taiwan
  Another name for Nanuya Levu, a privately owned island of the Yasawa Group in Fiji
  Another name for Vatoa, in the Lau Group in Fiji
  Another name for Tortuga (Haiti), an island in Haiti
  Another name for Ko Tao, a island in Thailand
  Turtle Island (Lake Erie), near Toledo, Ohio, USA

  Turtle Island (North America), an ostensibly Native American term for the North American continent, from which the following other uses are derived:

[edit] Literature

  Turtle Island (poetry book), a 1974 book of poetry by Gary Snyder, winner of the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry
  Turtle Island: Tales of the Algonquian Nations, a 1999 children’s book by Jane Louise Curry

[edit] Music

  Turtle Island (Paul Hyde album), the 1989 debut solo album by Paul Hyde of the Payola$
  “Turtle Island”, a track from Mike Oldfield’s Tres Lunas album
  “Turtle Island”, a track from Beach House’s 2008 Devotion album
  Turtle Island Quartet, modern-day jazz string quartet

[edit] Other uses

  Turtle Island Foods, makers of the Tofurky brand of soy products
  Turtle Island News, Canadian Native People’s newspaper
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I guess the phrase means whatever one wants it to mean, interestingly the geographic locale is everywhere excepting where this fraudulent spiritualist phony says it is….

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By Inherit The Wind, June 20, 2011 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

The world is on the back of a turtle. Hence “Turtle Island”.

This an ancient religious description by people who are not Indians, whether old or not.

I had lunch today with an Indian, an African, and an Indian African, none of whom are native to the continents commonly called “North” and “South” “America”.

You’re not an Indian or a Savage, so .... That’s all I have left to say.

Hokem-today!

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By TAO Walker, June 19, 2011 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

Turtle Island is all the land in the Northern Hemisphere ‘below’ the isthmus of
“Panama” and between the Sunrise and Sunset Seas.  Up South of the isthmus, and
mostly in the Southern Hemisphere, is HummingBird Island. 

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 18, 2011 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

I agree. For sure. I was impressed with Ron Paul when he ran that campaign about taking on the FED. It’s one of those issues that needs to be dealt with. Everyone needs to get behind that, and stay with it until it is no longer an issue. You can’t extract a bullet by just poking around at the wound. I would have to guess that too many on the Left rely too heavily on the stock market.
      Why they didn’t figure the downside from the beginning is beyond me.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 18, 2011 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

I am speaking here of people in general who have the same idea but aren’t organized as a group. We need to find those who agree at least on the idea that the present situation of corporate ownership, onerous control by the top 400, and inroads of theocracy are to be stopped as bad for the Republic. Sorry I didn’t make that clear before.

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By katsteevns, June 18, 2011 at 2:04 am Link to this comment

Is Turtle Island not isolated?

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By katsteevns, June 18, 2011 at 1:59 am Link to this comment

@ Night-Gaunt

You are talking larger groups when you haven’t even seen one small group?

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By Night-Gaunt, June 17, 2011 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

We are large enough to overcome any gov’t or corporation but to get together on the same subject is indeed the rub in the situation we find ourselves here today. We have to start somewhere and link up into larger and larger groupings anyway we can. Not easy but then if it was easy we’d have done it by now.

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By TAO Walker, June 17, 2011 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

To, again, ‘riff’ a little on the theme “Anarcissie” offers:  If “the problem” is a
dearth of Genuine Organic Community, “the solution” will be an abundance of it. 
He is also hitting high notes in suggesting the immense benefit that flows to ALL-
concerned when WE ‘pay’ our undivided precious attention to The Whole Living
Arrangement as it is right where we are living-and-breathing.  “Night-Gaunt”
reminds US, too, of the ultimate futility (perhaps even the Organic impossibility) of
attempted “self”-isolation.

So ALL TOGETHER NOW! is not only meant to be an encouraging word, it is a
simple statement of actual, and easily observable, biological fact.

HokaHey!

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By Anarcissie, June 17, 2011 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

I can affect things locally at most.  Furthermore, it is necessary to learn as well as to teach.  We do not get much good information from the globe or the continent or the nation because it is mediated by people whose problems are, generally, even worse than our own.  This is where unmediated observation and experience—the detail of which I spoke before—comes in.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 17, 2011 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

The problem is local but it is also national and international. Some have done things that mitigate national issues on a local scale. but in the end we have to address the larger picture some time or you must try to isolate yourself which really doesn’t work either.

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By Anarcissie, June 17, 2011 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

If the problem is communal then the solution is communal.

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By TAO Walker, June 17, 2011 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

The thing is, despite the accurate assessment by “Anarcissie” of the local-ised
befuddled masses being obsessed with their “local (and even more-so their
“individual”) eCONomy” (which, along with everything else in the virtual world-
o’-hurt, IS an “illusion”), the actual nature of their “self”-inflicted predicament
is, in-fact, “cosmic,” in its magnitude and its CONtents.  Maybe, as “Anarcissie”
says, efforts to remind our tame Sisters and Brothers that they’re definitely
“NOT (just) in Kansas anymore,” will bear little, if any, immediate (or even late-
ripening) ‘fruit.’

What does that matter, however?  The Ancients urge us ALL to, in-effect, stick-
to-our-knitting, giving no thought at-all to who, if anybody, will ever wear the
‘sweater.’

HokaHey!

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By Anarcissie, June 17, 2011 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

TAO Walker, June 16 at 8:40 pm:

‘The little ‘lecture’ “Anarcissie” offers on interest rates will no-doubt appeal to
all here with a sufficiently “narrow focus.”  What this Old Man was wondering
about below, though, was the probable futility of complaining (as Anarcissie
seemed to be doing earlier) over relative rates of “interest” in this-that-or-
another ‘posting,’ by whomever, here in the ethereal reaches of cyberspace. ...’

If you want to talk with people, you have to talk with them where they are and as they are.  Many people are concerned with the local economy, which affects their daily lives.  If you start talking cosmically, it doesn’t get through.  They can’t relate to it.  And if you can’t get through, you’re not going to get the kind of replies which would improve your own vision.

I hadn’t thought you’d be interested in interest rates, but here goes anyway:  Artificially lowering interest rates creates funny money.  Funny money circulates, causing an illusion of prosperity.  People are deluded and mystified by the illusion and thus distracted from the fact that their lives are actually deteriorating.  If they saw that their lives were deteriorating, they might at least try to think about doing something about it.  Trying to think about and do something about their lives might bring them to the point of thinking about some of the cosmic stuff, and to engage in some of the practices I have suggested.  Or at least it might get them out of the rut, out of the pit.

However, in terms of practical results, I have to admit there isn’t much difference in outcome between your preaching and mine.  I’ll probably try something else before too long.

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By katsteevns, June 17, 2011 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

Thanks for your responses. It is always nice to get a reply when looking for one, even if the questions or questioner seem nuts. It shows a certain level of respect for your fellow man. Too often, people will just “write you off” and leave one hanging. It is condescending, and I haven’t seen that in this exchange. In fact, I see you going out of your way to make sure a response is given.

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By TAO Walker, June 17, 2011 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

This Old Indian also drives (and over the years has operated everything from
can-openers to locomotives) but isn’t “owned”-by, an old pickup truck, travels
on AMtrak and VIA Rail, goes to movies….and occasionally even uses a
telephone.  Hell, a couple Winters ago there was even a plane-trip to visit a
GreatGrandDaughter in the Peace Corps in Jamaica, and from there to see
Friends and Family in Cuba.  The thing is, here in Indian Country we ‘cope’
(pretty well, actually) with all this stuff…but we don’t “idol”-ize any of it.

How anybody treats any of the many awful ailments incident-to and
symptomatic-of the “civilization” disease, which all must “run (their) course” in-
any-case, is completely outside this Person’s given ‘area-of-responsibility.’  So
offering presumptuous “medical” advice is carefully refrained-from….as is
“relationship” advice and “financial” advice and “legal” advice and “spiritual”
advice, among many other kinds of “counsel”  If asked, thpugh, about anything,
this Old (un-reCONstructed) Savage will give the best response that a long Life
of ‘paying’ close attention and giving sincere respect permits….with the mutual
understanding that All-concerned are free, and welcome, to take-it-or-leave-
it according to the “Best Lights” they have.  As for being “a member of the
Niitsitapii”....you name it, and this Indian belongs to it. 

Yes, thank you very much, this indeed IS a Good Way to Live!

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, June 17, 2011 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

The “Good News,” of course, is that nobody here IS “alone”....ever.  CONtrived
appearances to-the-CONtrary notwithstanding, WE are ALL of US all here
TOGETHER….always!  What those (evidently, by her/his own admission here, like
“katsteevns”) who’re “invested” in the essentially “self”-protective “lone wolf”
reaction (to what are obviously very trying social and “material” circumstances
at-present) are missing-out on is the Genuine Organic Freedom of being
perfectly able to be “in amongst” the befuddled masses, in their variously-
labelled random collections of the helpless “individual,”  without falling-prey to
what ails them.  Natural Persons just naturally have this ability.

Thus the extremes to which the wannabe hegemonic “self” (and “SELF”) will go,
through the ‘agency’ of their two-legged tools, trying to suppress and supplant
the Natural Person that IS every Human Being.  So as ‘tired’ as some here may
be of ‘hearing’ it….to get WELL, to get WHOLE, to get FREE, to go WILD again….

....Get-over your “self”!

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 17, 2011 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

So then, you are a member of the Niitsitapi ?

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By katsteevns, June 17, 2011 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

I see that you do not have a computer, my bad.

If someone on Turtle Island contracts cancer or some other life threatening disease, would you utilize the most advanced medicine to attempt to cure it if you were able? Or would that person simply want to accept the fate and let it run its course?

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By TAO Walker, June 17, 2011 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

It is apparently “only natural” (in-response to the latest here from “katsteevns”)
that among the members of any given population, of any Kind, will be some
less susceptible to the deleterious effects of some “disease” vector showing-up
in their midst.  A ways back down this ‘thread,’ this Old Indian mentioned the
smallpox epidemics that ravaged Native Turtle Island Peoples who were
exposed to its particular viral ‘agent’ through CONtact with the already infected
(but also widely ‘immune’ to the worst effects) domesticates pushing into
Blackfeet Country from “civilization,” for example.  The birthday-suits of many
Piegan Persons, f’r instance, essentially burned-up in the process of trying to
“come-to-terms” with the virus.  Those of some, however, survived the
“sickness,” and acquired through that ordeal a natural (and even genetically
transmittable) immunity to the more devastating effects of that viral “vector.”

So, too (which is to say “the-hard-way”), do us surviving Free Wild Persons and
Peoples come-by, and enjoy, natural immunity from the “SELF”-generated
“civilization” disease itself, as well as from its “individual”-ized manifestation
(among infected Persons) in the form of the “self.”  Even so, as noted several
times along The Way here, we are ALL of US here having to walk one of these
“god”-lings through a “lifetime” in the Living Arrangement of our Mother
Earth….“carriers,” in-effect, of the very same tormenting entities trying vainly
to escape “death,” for theirown"self” (and “SELF”), by inflicting it on everything
and everybody ‘else’ they come into CONtact with.  It is to maximize the
benefits of our immunity, and to minimize “opportunities” for the tormentors to
breach it, that we exercise such caution in our behavior….including how we
employ the rather risky (because so “two-edged”) so-called “gift,” of these
“self”-styled “gods,” called (in one of them) “language.”

This present ‘bout’ of the “civilization” disease is but the latest in a series of
such epidemics we’ve gone-through here….each much cruder in its ‘methods,’
but more virulent in its ‘reach,’ than its predecessor.  There is encouraging
evidence, though, to suggest we’ve finally gotten to the “actual emergency,” and
that this outbreak will be the last among US.  This is either because the
“energy” reserves of the tormentors their"self” (and “SELF”) are about to be
completely exhausted, or because of the “self”(and “SELF”)-inflicted (prob’ly
only near-) extinction of the subspecies homo domesticus, whjich is the
damned things’ only CONnection to our Living Arrangement….or perhaps due to
some combination of both factors.

There will be, in either “case,” some serious attrition to get through.  So the
more among our tame Sisters and Brothers who can get-over their own “self,”
however, and come together as Natural Persons in Living Human Communities
(thereby recovering together a sufficiency of The Living Virtue of Organic
Functional Integrity,) the less will be the overall hardship on Humanity, as such,
and on Her Whole Living Arrangement….of which Humanity is a vital component
in Her immune system. 

No use bothering to “ask your doctor,” either, if you’re sexy enough for
healthful activity.

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 17, 2011 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

And, I might add, in Gary Mont’s position ,as one who “function(s) far better as a lone wolf than as a member of a co-op, or family”, is essentially displaying, within his life choice, that the society around him is dysfunctional, that his “pride” was initiated within the confines of knowing this fact. Being a “lone anything” can only be rewarding if it is protecting him/her from a worse predicament. Because, for sure, no one wants to be alone.
    And ultimately, he would be a better candidate for the life you are proposing than the “average” conforming, content citizen.

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By katsteevns, June 17, 2011 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

by TAO Walker

“Among us surviving Free Wild Peoples, fortunate to be the beneficiaries of some
natural immunity to both “individual”-ized “self”-ishness and the “civilization”
disease symptomatic of the presence here of the super-“self,” “

So, I gather you are saying here that “individual”-ized “self”-ishness and the “civilization” disease are born of the super-“self”.

To what do you attribute your “immunity”? Was it something that manifested itself in an environment which was isolated from civilization over a sufficient period of generations having the affect of an artist stepping back to assess the canvas? Was knowledge gleaned from the wisest sages and consolidated resulting in an epiphany at some point? And was the “civilization disease”
constantly at arm’s length away from you and yours so you could observe it without suffering its worst effects?

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By TAO Walker, June 16, 2011 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

The ravening multitude of the micro-“self” (and the macro-“SELF” which
employs this horde to ‘hook’ Natural Human Persons into aiding-and-abetting
its ‘process) certainly do go (as “katsteevns” reminds us) to great lengths to
induce in infected Humans the horrifying illusion (with its terror-stricken
paralysis) that their fever-dream delusion is “the only game in town.”  Their
entire bag of ideological/institutional/technological ‘tricks’ is aimed at keeping
the domesticated peoples CONvinced of exactly that. 

It’s a dead-certainty, too, that the damned things’ “self”-chosen few two-
legged tools will plot to throw everything and everybody else to their insatiable
‘gods’ in a vain attempt to save their own sorry asses from that supposedly-
worse-than-‘death’  fate.  It’s equally a-sure-thing those “self”-CONtrolled
fools are doomed to some serious disappointment.  “The best laid plans…...,”
and all that.

What all these tormenting entities (and their captive Human IDentities) just can’t
get-around is the Natural Fact that all they have to “work-with” here is ALL of
US….our Living Loving Mother Earth and All HER Childen of ALL kinds.  So WE
ALL TOGETHER (to ‘riff’ on the cosmology suggested below by “Anarcissie”) is
altogether all there was here “in The Beginning” of their ultimately “self”(and
“SELF”)-defeating ‘operation,’ and altogether ALL there will be here at THE END
of it.

We’ve got ‘em right where we want ‘em NOW, Sisters and Brothers….and they
ain’t gettin’ away, either.

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, June 16, 2011 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

The little ‘lecture’ “Anarcissie” offers on interest rates will no-doubt appeal to
all here with a sufficiently “narrow focus.”  What this Old Man was wondering
about below, though, was the probable futility of complaining (as Anarcissie
seemed to be doing earlier) over relative rates of “interest” in this-that-or-
another ‘posting,’ by whomever, here in the ethereal reaches of cyberspace.

The ‘holographic’ theory of “The Ten-thousand Things” holds that the entire
image is present in each and every ‘pixel’....which is certainly ‘good news’ for
the detail-oriented.  Of course the “universe” present in any given micro-mini-
“thing” will be extremely attenuated (fuzzy), and dominated by whatever feature
makes it at-all distinguishable from anything and everything ‘else.’  Remember,
too, that while “the great” may be discernible in “the small,” each, in its very
essence, is neither “great” nor “small.”

Wonder what all those “liars, obfuscators, propagandists and con (CON?)
artists” are always trying to tell us to do about that?

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 16, 2011 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

by TAO Walker,

“To know
the essential nature of anything, it is necessary only to observe sentiently and
calmly the actual effects of its presence in our Living Arrangement.”

Well, for city dwellers, much of the natural world has been removed for one reason or another. This creating an environment less conducive to observing the “essential nature” of the natural environment, while setting up artificial realities that over time , become the ONLY realities for those born and raised there.

On another note, I have been hearing alot that those in power are setting up the planet so as to DELIBERATELY hinder what some feel is an awakening of some kind, some kind of higher consciousness among the people, possibly a consciousness of peace. This makes sense if their intention is to make the planet into a slave colony where all are submissive to their authority with the intent of remaining in control. Control being the ultimate freedom for them.
  Along with that, many speak of the power of sound, vibrations and magnetism. These things being part of the make up of the earth that at several geographic locations, emit different levels of whatever it is. Stonehenge, for example, is one of these places. Some say that these kinds of energies are being used to manipulate the thought processes with a desire to control individuals actions.
  I was wondering if you had any thoughts on that. Could a small group of individuals gain enough knowledge to completely disconnect a whole population from themselves?.

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By Anarcissie, June 16, 2011 at 5:33 pm Link to this comment

Interest rates?  It depends on your focus.  In a certain narrow focus, interest rates are very interesting; they can also be interpreted diagnostically.  They are also a small, maybe unimportant part of much larger processes, sharing in their substance and activity.  Recall: ‘As above, so below;’ and ‘The great shows itself in the small;’ and ‘the Devil (or God) is in the details.’  Be it ever far from me to disdain the true testimony of the incidental, the quotidian, the particular, from which liars, obfuscators, propandists and con artists are always telling us to look away.  Hidden in plain view.

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By TAO Walker, June 16, 2011 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

....and there “Anarcissie” goes again….trying vainly to religiossify the basically
biological.  Might just be another out-break of the I/ME/MY/MINE retro-virus,
though.  Like ‘herpes,’ and “the poor,” it is “always with us”....except “most of the
time,” when it is dead-set agin US, and all-for its very own “self.”

Anyhow, what’s the use of complaining about those who complain about “interest”
rates?

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, June 16, 2011 at 11:42 am Link to this comment

Gary Mont, who has been no “bother” at-all, could nevertheless exercise a bit
more care in his reading, and repeating, of what This Old Man (who has never
advanced “(t)he idea of becoming a natural person,” but has, rather, been
careful to acknowledge the Natural Fact that us Human Beings are all already
just naturally Natural Persons) offers here.

Just as Gary Mont would be unlikely to begin referring unkindly to somebody
who has CONtracted some metastasizing cancer as “the tumor,” for example,
but would carefully differentiate between the suffering Person and their
ailment, so this Indian graphically sets-apart the retro-viral “self” from the
Natural Person afflicted with its degrading and degenerative ‘process.’  It is
unfortunately all-too-common, though, among our domesticated Human
Relations, to IDentify rather strongly with their illnesses, most especially with
the “self”-sickness, and to sort-of clump together in random collections (often
called “citiies”) of the similarly ailing.  Here in Indian Country it is not seen as
either respectful or supportive, however, to cater to this “self”-gratifying habit.

Mister Mont may well be quite right in his surmise that there is, at this stage of
things, no getting altogether rid of the “self,” short of eliminating entirely from
The Living Arrangement the one virtual sub-species in which it has gone
rampant….homo domesticus.  It’s been ‘with’ us, after-all, for ages now, and
has presently gotten that vast majority of the Human population pretty firmly
by their collective ‘short-hairs.’  We might, however, painful as it will most
certainly be for those so ‘gripped,’ still get free of the wannabe parasitical
“self”-CONtrol that is having such devastating actual effects on us and our
Living Arrangement.

Among us surviving Free Wild Peoples, fortunate to be the beneficiaries of some
natural immunity to both “individual”-ized “self”-ishness and the “civilization”
disease symptomatic of the presence here of the super-“self,” we recognize the
need to be very careful in our use of language.  We’ve seen how “self”-centered
semantic formulations tend to increase the tormenting entities’ CONtrol over
the behavior of infectees.  We’ve also noticed that excising such solipsistic
CONstructs from a ‘lexicon’ helps to reduce that debilitating ‘CON-fluence.’ 

Gary Mont admits candidly that he doesn’t know any better than to employ the
heavily I/ME/MY/MINE-ized vocabulary so CONsistent-with and useful-to the
practices and purposes of the idiotic (in a strictly ‘clinical’ sense) ‘dominance’
paradigm.  So he has at-least recognized one ‘area’ in which even a bit of
careful ‘editing’ (Call it, if you like, “self”-censorship.) will be helpful (as a
therapeutic regimen) toward bringing his own presently much too-precious and
out-of-its-depth “self” to-heel. 

Because here’s ‘the-rub.’  Neither the micro(“individual”)-“self” nor its
macro(wannabe “global” overlord)-super"SELF” is the least bit competent to
‘rule’ even their atomized Two-legged ‘hosts’ and ‘hostesses,’ never-mind
“MAN"aging the Whole Living Arrangement of this Whole Living World.  In actual
Natural Fact they ARE (clinically) idiots.  Still, having co-opted and corrupted
(sickened) a substantial part of the Human component in Her immune system,
the damned things are sure-as-hell doing their damnedest to wreck what they
never made in-the-first-place, and are utterly “power”-less to restore once
their feckless damage has been done.

That’s exactly where WE come-in, Sisters and Brothers.

HokaHey!

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By Anarcissie, June 16, 2011 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

I’ve suggested practical approaches to what might be considered a recovery of the ‘natural person’ which do not require anyone to go out in the woods with a tin cup or, indeed, to even know the full implications of ‘natural personhood’.  I haven’t noticed anyone paying any attention to them, so either they weren’t depicted in sufficiently bold colors, or no one is actually interested.  In any case, I don’t see the point of complaining about the style of TAO Walker’s little sermons if you’re not actually interested in the subject matter.

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By Gary Mont, June 16, 2011 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

Actually Mister Walker, I quoted your exact word phrases, because I simply do not have any way of saying these things in my own words. I just don’t understand the meaning of these phrases, and cannot therefor produce them in words other than the ones you provided.

The idea of becoming a natural person and thus, a natural part of the planet’s life force, probably appeals to a great number of people in this forum, as much as it appeals to me.

That I am unable to turn your explanations into practical instructions, is, I assumed, my failng, not yours and is likely due to my being a self-oriented individual, rather than a natural person.

I suppose I might not have expressed this very well.

I apologise for the use of the words I and me but again, no other method of expression comes to mind.

If you think this is also facetious, so be it.
Either way, I will try not to bother you in future.

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By TAO Walker, June 15, 2011 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

Maybe Gary Mont is being merely somewhat facetious (or perhaps he’d prefer
ironic) in his rueful-sounding I/ME/MY/Mine binge below.  Maybe he is at-least
a little sincere, though, in the regrets he expresses over what he says is an
inability to “comprehend” what it means to get-over his “self.”

He let’s-on as how he might not be all that pleased with what his “self” has
made of the Natural Person that he naturally is, but admits to being at-a-loss
as to what might be done to change that for-the-better.  Deep under-the-
influence of what appears to be a particularly nasty case of “self’-CONtrol, Mr.
Mont has yet to realize, it seems, that not only is this not all about his “self,” it
isn’t about his “self” at-all.

Meanwhile, it isn’t a mere morality-play “value-judgment” to observe that co-
opted Persons serving the “self” are also inevitably dysfunctionally dis-serving
our Living Arrangement.  It’s simply a Natural Fact….one not made moot by
romanticized pretensions to such “self”-satisfying CONceits as the “lone wolf”
syndrome. 

Gary Mont has declared that he just can’t live without his too-precious
“self”....that the damned thing is in-effect both “who” and “what” he IS.  Many,
even most among the “self”-infected feel that to a greater or lesser degree.

We are All of us already well along The Way to seeing if they have even a
GhostDancers’ chance of living “with” it.

HokaHey!

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By Gary Mont, June 15, 2011 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

Sadly, it appears that my inability to comprehend how to get over myself, or how to become a Natural Person among other Natural Persons ORGANized as a Living Human Community, CONdemns me to a life as a civilization-diseased non-person among other civilization-diseased non-persons, unwittingly working against the restoration of health and wholeness for our Kind and for Earth’s Whole Living Arrangement, whatever that might be.

This is incredibly unfortunate as it is my acceptance of this CONdition that obviously prevents me from the understanding needed, even though the idea appeals to me greatly.

Perhaps, knowing this, I might someday come to some comprehension of what I must do, but till then, I guess I am what I am, whether I like it or not.

Thanks for trying Mister Walker.

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By katsteevns, June 15, 2011 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

I hear ya! smile Can’t say I agree with that course of action. But it sounds like a damn good way to live.

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By TAO Walker, June 15, 2011 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

Because The Tiyoshpaye Way, The Tao of Humanity, is not a mere CONstruct,
but an actually Living Form, it is inseparable from the very Living Arrangement
in which it is engendered and sustained.  So to speak of “fighting,” to secure an
on-going ‘place’ for it in Earth’s Life, is to propose the organically impossible.

Not that this hasn’t been tried of-course, and many times….is being attempted
even now by the “MAD Men” behind the secrecy shroud behind the death mask
of “New World Order” “global” gulag regime.  It’s just that the products of these
arrogant exercises are inevitably monstrous in both CONfiguration and effect. 
They take the twisted shapes of “religious bodies” and “national security states”
and “corporate entities,” for a just a few of the more glaringly obvious
examples.

So, yes, we will, because we must, take our chances with Her Whole Living
Arrangement.  Might Her own ‘material’ Robe be rendered unwearable, and
those of us She shelters and nurtures within its folds made, temporarily, also
materially “homeless”?  Of course that is a possibility.  Should we do whatever
we are able to do to, and can do to mutually beneficial effect, to ‘resist’ the
disease process tending today toward that outcome.  Of course we should, and
must, and within the limits of our given place in Her “scheme-of-things,” we
certainly are doing and will go-on doing exactly that.

“Fighting,” however, is NOT what She needs from us.  Seems like the
unavoidable CONsequences of that approach are (or at-least ought to be)
pretty painfully obvious by-now to All-concerned.

What She needs and we ALL of us need from Humanity is undivided precious
attention and unconditional spontaneous affection.  We need a sufficiency of
The Living Virtue of Organic Functional Integrity, as brought to-bear in
Humanity’s given vital function as a component in Her immune system.  We
need Natural Persons ORGANized as Living Human Communities, which are the
wellsprings of The Living Virtue in its Human expression, to pour the needed
sufficiency into our Living Arrangement.

Random collections of the ersatz “individual,” no matter how sincerely well-
meaning just can’t do that….anymore than a puddle of cardiac cells can fulfill
the Organic function of The Heart.

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 15, 2011 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker,

Talk is cheap, yes, but is has also been known to inspire people to action. In this case, the action needed is for people to wake up, to strive to obtain the higher consciousness that is available through working with one another, examining and overcoming our differences, not avoidance. To recognize that the earth(and human health) is in peril and that, in numbers, anything can be accomplished.
  And if none of this is true, then it is not the worst way to perish. Better to go out fighting than to surrender and conform.
  Can it be done? I don’t know. Should we try, fail, pick ourselves up and try again and repeat on into eternity? I would say a resounding YES.

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By katsteevns, June 15, 2011 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

I am not saying that The Tiyoshpaye Way is not the best road in the overall scheme of things. I am saying that no one can predict at which point this current resource sucking plague will be eradicated, be it “soon”, as you predict, or a little later on when the planet is exhausted and breathing it’s last breathe. And don’t you think we should fight like hell to ensure a place for The Tiyoshpaye Way to grow? Waiting on Mother Nature to clear the path or for The Tiyoshpaye Way to overwhelm and convert the “virtual subspecies homo domesticus” is, in my view, taking a big chance. Can Mother Nature heal herself when her own resources are being burned on the pyre of the greedy and amoral? Maybe yes, but will mankind survive the ordeal?

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By TAO Walker, June 15, 2011 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

So is it appropriate to ask here of “katsteevns” exactly what “action” s/he now will
be taking to “remedy” the undoubted “injustice,” shrouded in secrecy, that is being
inflicted (by two-legged tools of the tormenting entity) upon Bradley Manning and
the Hashmis?  Meantime, this Old Savage is still waiting for the Moccasin
Telegraph to bring word of whatever feats of derring-do “Inherit the Wind” might
essay in that same worthy cause.

Talk’s cheap, fellahs/gal(?).

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, June 15, 2011 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

What this Indian actually said “a few days ago,” about the actual fact of the
american military occupation of Turtle Island, was simply an observation of that
fact.  It is unfortunately “true” that many among those “self”-IDentifying as
“American Indians” or “Native Americans” share the same sense of “victim”-
ization so common among the “individual”-ized CONstituents of the general
population….in the “global” gulag.

Us surviving Native Persons and Peoples who are Free (and Wild) on our “own
recognizance,” however, have as-always only to endure All together “....the
slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.”  We don’t have to turn it all into just
another make-believe zero-sum morality play.  We can take things as they are
without the impossible burden of trying to figure-out how they “should-
be”....and the even more futile exercise that always follows from feeling
compelled to make them (“by any means necessary”)  CONform to such “self”-
CONcocted notions.  So we are in no way subject to all the degenerative and
degrading “self”-delusions haunting the half-lives of “vics” and “perps”
languishing in the virtual world-o’-hurt.  Besides, who here should know better
than “inherit The Wind” that “shit” just happens?

“The Book of Changes,” itself a ‘product’ of the “civilization” disease process
(See Lao Tzu on this, and also on “....why men make laws in the first place,”
which is hardly the unmitigated boon it is so CONstantly cracked-up to be by
‘rulers’ and ‘subjects’ alike) is unavoidably tangled-up in that CONdition’s
signature CONceits.  That’s how-come this Old Man was careful to put “right”
and “wrong” in quotes….to denote them as CONstructs, rather than attributes
inherent to Nature, where they just don’t apply.

Now if “katsteevns” will explain how our taking, All together, The Good Red
Road, The Tiyoshpaye Way, in-accord with The Tao of Humanity, to the
restoration of health and wholeness for our Kind and for Earth’s Whole Living
Arrangement, will lead somehow instead to “....the extinction of the human
species (though it surely will get us All to THE END of the virtual subspecies
homo domesticus) and the planet….,” perhaps even this Old Savage will be
CONvinced to adopt the despairing, down-trodden, hard-done-by demeanor of
the Stockholm-syndromed “civilized individual,” too.

Prob’ly NOT!, though.

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 15, 2011 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

The mere fact that Bradley Manning and Syed Fahad Hashmi( who’s name I confused with Franz
Kafka’s, You want to cite me for that? Be my guest.) who’s cases and incarcerations are shrouded in secret is reason enough to assume injustice is taking place and that action should be taken to remedy the situation. A person of your proclaimed knowledge should know as much.

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By katsteevns, June 15, 2011 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

by TAO Walker,

“It is, in-any-case, no real ‘threat’ to The Whole Living Arrangement
of our Mother Earth….and nothing-at-all, really, to the never-ending Song ‘n’
Dance of Life Herownself.”

And this is my case against you here. Whether the earth survives or not is not your primary concern, because you speculate that the rest of the universe will continue on it’s course undaunted.

You can not possibly predict that corporate interests will not remain in power long enough to completely decimate and kill off the planet. You said it yourself that most people are in the “self” mode which pushes them to hold onto and support the powers that tell them to submit, the same powers who are buying up the planet lot by lot and who are fashioning the laws to their advantage. With each new natural disaster come new laws infringing still more civil rights. Those in power give not a hoot as to the condition of the planet, but only that they remain in power. And I would say they are doing a fine job of remaining so. Mother Nature is not selective in who she eliminates and she will certainly not selectively take out the bad guys without and equal amount of innocents as well.

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By TAO Walker, June 15, 2011 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

Again “katsteevns” would impose upon All of Nature the anomalous deficiencies
and artificial CONstraints so characteristic of the de-natured CONstructs
generated by bent-natured (infected) peoples subject sickeningly to the “self”-
satisfying demands of the “civilization” disease process.  Apparently the ‘rule’ in
the virtual world-o’-hurt is, if s/he feels ‘totally fucked,’ then everybody and
everything ‘else’ just has to be in that awful CONdition, too.

It’s as if a foolishly arrogant swimmer, having been cautioned about it
beforehand (which, by The Way, ALL of our domesticated Human Relations have
been….repeatedly), gets carelessly caught in a riptide and swept out to sea,
anyhow, despite the warnings, and were then to insist sophomoronically (at-
least to his/her own silly “self”) that the Life-guard and those still safe on the
beach, and even the very Ocean, must also be in the same mostly “self”-
inflicted predicament as s/he is….and so refuse carpingly any good-faith offer
of assistance, and even ‘curse’ those making the offer.  This is, unfortunately,
all-too-typical behavior among the “self’-CONtrolled.

It’s likely “katsteevns” has no actual first-hand knowledge whatsoever about
how Bradley Manning is coping with his circumstances (and even less about the
actual Life-experience of this Old Savage), and so should maybe refrain from
jumping to any “self”-serving CONclusions about either (looking-out
particularly for that big first “Step”).  Meantime, s/he could just ‘google’ “Franz
Kafka” to be quickly and easily disabused of certain ill-informed assumptions
s/he seems to be entertaining about his actual current ‘place’ in world affairs
(as distinguished from the one s/he only imagines him, so feverishly, to be
occupying).

Is “the IRS” a particularly haunting specter in the diminishing half-life of
“katsteevns”....because this isn’t the first instance of him/her trying vainly to
sick (sic) the damned thing on this Indian?  As for the rest of the allamerican
“imperial empire” (in Bob Dylan’s customarily apt phrasing), is that rapidly
“sinking ship” really such a danger to any but its own foolhardy ‘passengers-
and-crew’?  It is, in-any-case, no real ‘threat’ to The Whole Living Arrangement
of our Mother Earth….and nothing-at-all, really, to the never-ending Song ‘n’
Dance of Life Herownself.

Maybe much of the make-believe that so troubles “katsteevns,” and so many of
his/her fellah ‘n’ gal domesticates, would simply disappear if they took their
precious Person-al attention away from it, and gave it all wholeheartedly
instead to one another and Her Whole Living Arrangement….which is where it
belongs, anyway.

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 15, 2011 at 7:36 am Link to this comment

By TAO Walker

““The most effective Way to correct what is ‘wrong’ is by
persevering, conscientiously and with integrity, in what is ‘right.’” ” - Book of Changes

I getcha, even if it means the extinction of the human species and the planet as well.

We could argue that your “right” and “wrong” could easily be substituted for “good guys” and “bad guys” here in your statement:

“There the make-believe of “good guys” and “bad guys,”
a distinction without a difference if ever there was one,”

I submit that right and wrong are easier to decipher than good and bad guys. And this is the same reason, in theory, why men make laws in the first place, to protect one person from being infringed upon by others.
  At this point in history, the institution of laws has itself taken a turn for the worst, when amoral men make laws that benefit only themselves, and this on a grand scale.
  Throughout history, many laws have been unjust and we tolerated it. But now it is time for us to stop tolerating any kind of injustice because the situation is directly threatening the species and the life of the planet, not to mention, restricting the growth of the human spirit.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 15, 2011 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

Not being a “victim” of anything or any"one”, this Old Savage can’t sensibly comment one way or another about how that feels. 
*********

Again you CON-tradict yourself..just a few days ago you were decrying how you and your Turtle Island fellows were victims of the occupation of the CON-tinent of North America by (the descendents of) Europeans!
It’s impossible to be CON-vinced by such CON-fusion and such a CON-game.

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Hokem-Today!

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By katsteevns, June 15, 2011 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

I would like to observe you “persevere” through what Bradley Manning or Franz Kafka is enduring at this moment or, for that matter, what one hundred thousand dead Iraqis endured. Their demise was not attributed to their being hung up on the “self”. In fact, it seems to be common knowledge that no man knows just how he will react in life-or-death situations until he actually is encountered with it. If such individuals DO exist, I am sure they are few and far between, even less so among woman.

You seem pretty confident that:

“She will soon get rid-of(severely dysfunctional random collections of the ersatz
“individual,”‘s) simply by rolling-over and
shaking them off”

“Soon”? So, you have assimilated to the Christian concept of the clock.
And this BEFORE man has a chance to fully render the planet useless and dead? And I doubt that many of the “functional” would not be drawn down the drain hole along with the “dysfunctional”.

In regards to your assessment that I feel that

“all the
world just has to be suffering the same “self”-generated anxieties and
‘proprietary’ delusions” as I am, I would say that the expansion of the US empire gives credence to this feeling, my being a citizen or it. This as the “free market” circumvents civil rights and laws of sovereign states via the WTO and other mechanisms such as wars of aggression and proxy wars.

Are you saying that you do not pay taxes and thus do not contribute to the expansion of this empire by proxy? If so, the IRS(an integral arm of the empire)  is gonna have a field day with you and yours. Presently, you are contributing to the mineral wars in Africa by utilizing a computer with parts that can only be obtained in war torn areas. And when this computer ceases to function, will you not seek out another, newer one, with parts obtained through the shedding of blood?

You say:
“It is
absolutely guaranteed that those who ‘go-to-war’ with some “self”-selected
“adversary” will much sooner than later become their own worst ‘enemy.’

I agree with this statement, but it does not take into consideration the party in war being advanced upon.

This statement is somewhat baffling?

“Our Free Wild Relatives, however, are not
cursed with any feelings whatsoever about “what belongs to them. ”  What
“katsteevns” so typically mistakes for a “fight,” is only what we ALL do together
in Nature, the particular ‘notes’ and ‘steps’ we do here in the never-ending
Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself”

“‘notes’ and ‘steps’”?? Are you a pacifist all together or would you be violent to protect your family?

And what of the other species who DO fight for what is theirs?

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By TAO Walker, June 14, 2011 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

It is a common CONceit of nearly every domesticated “individual” that all the
world just has to be suffering the same “self”-generated anxieties and
‘proprietary’ delusions as they are.  Our Free Wild Relatives, however, are not
cursed with any feelings whatsoever about “what belongs to them. ”  What
“katsteevns” so typically mistakes for a “fight,” is only what we ALL do together
in Nature, the particular ‘notes’ and ‘steps’ we do here in the never-ending
Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself…..each Kind helping every Kind to keep
altogether fit to fulfill their given Function within our Whole Living
Arrangement.

In projecting his/her own insecurities and misCONceptions upon all of us in
Nature, “katsteevns” tries to CONdemn every Kind to the same helpless
subjugation, to forces beyond the CONtrol of her/his own fear-ridden “self,”
that s/he regularly declares to be also the inescapable fate of this Old Indian. 
The dog-eat-dog CON-TRAPtion our tame Sisters and Brothers feel so bound-
up by exists, however, only ‘inside’ the fever-dream generated by the process
of the “civilization” disease. 

So yet again s/he assumes that degraded CONdition to be the lot of all that
Lives-and-Breathes here, and does so only on the false-foundation of his/her
limited experience within the suffocating CONfines of the “self”-CONtrived
virtual world-o’-hurt.  There the make-believe of “good guys” and “bad guys,”
a distinction without a difference if ever there was one, is the fabricated
pretense by which the rule-of-fear (metastasizing inevitably into the rampant
reign-of-terror we see today) is “self”-righteously institutionalized and
agonizingly prolonged.

The only real and meaningful distinction to be drawn among Humans is that
between the many severely dysfunctional random collections of the ersatz
“individual,” and whole healthy Natural Communities of Free Wild Persons and
Peoples.  The formers’ “self”-centered obsession with such abstract notions as
their “civil rights” simply does not signify with “Mother Nature.”  Rather, their
relentlessly “self”-referential behavior renders them effectively useless to
Her….a minor irritant She will soon get rid-of simply by rolling-over and
shaking them off.

So yes, this Old Man does recommend getting-over the “self,” which is the
‘hook’ with which homo domesticus is being jerked-around by the tormenting
retro-viral entity, and leaving those unable or unwilling to do that to whatever
‘reward’ fate has in-store for them….which, by The Way, is entirely outside the
area of our Human responsibility (and response-ability), anyhow.  As it says in
The Book of Changes, “The most effective Way to correct what is ‘wrong’ is by
persevering, conscientiously and with integrity, in what is ‘right.’”  It is
absolutely guaranteed that those who ‘go-to-war’ with some “self”-selected
“adversary” will much sooner than later become their own worst ‘enemy.’

Hells bells, it has happened already, and a long ‘time’ ago, to those “self”-
CONtrolled unfortunates known as theamericanpeople….for just one among a
multitude of ‘modern’ examples.

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 14, 2011 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

@ TAO WALKER,

  So, your message is for us to just forget about all those who’s intention it is to make this planet a slave colony with only a few rich bastards running the show, and instead, concentrate on “getting over the self”.
    You argue that the “bad guys’” reign will come to an end and that this will happen with or without “the people” rising up to take back their civil rights. And that this will happen because Mother Nature will make sure it happens.
    So, you urge us to just relax and become what were meant to be, one with nature.

In the animal world, not including humans, this seems not to be the case. Animals, as well as insects will fight for what they feel belongs to them, apparently contrary to what you describe as the laws of nature.

Now, if Mother Nature has a different fate set for humans, than she does for animals, I would like to see the evidence. But if we are all just animals, then I would suggest that we fight for what we believe is ours if we want to survive as a species.

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By TAO Walker, June 14, 2011 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

Not being a “victim” of anything or any"one”, this Old Savage can’t sensibly
comment one way or another about how that feels.  Though from the way those
who feel their “self’ to be “victim”-ized do talk about it, it must feel horribly
degrading. 

Since us surviving Free Wild Peoples are already at-home inThe Living
Arrangement, as a vital component in Her immune system, there’s no need at-
all for “Mother Nature” to make any special provisions for us.  Anyway, all the
“wrath” and other ill-humor so many so CONsistently project upon our Mother
Earth must obviously be the exclusive province of their own too-precious
“self”....because it is no part whatsoever of Her essential nature.

Seems like a “COMMENTS” section is for just exactly that.  No obligation to
engage in “discourse” is either explicit or implied.  Nor are “dissertations”
proscribed.  Those who wish to indulge in “discourse” are quite free to do so. 
Those simply offering observations, whether as “dissertations” or aphorisms or
anything in-between, are nowhere required to do otherwise.  Again,
“katsteevns” is just making things up out of hot air, in a vain effort to lend some
‘weight’ to the virtual axes s/he is always having to grind….and maybe to get a
little company in her/his CONgenital misery.

“Anarcissie” seems somewhat overly sensitive about the theoretical possibility
that a Way to Human Health and Wholeness (if there is some agreement
between us on that being our actually viable alternative) could somehow be
“specified” by some hypothetical “isolated persons” somewhere.  This Old Man,
however, has never once, in a widely-travelled and rather long Life, actually met
any such critters, so is at-a-loss to respond in any informed way to
those….well, CONcerns….though there’s certainly no question of their genuine
sincerity.  If “Anarcissie” is worried that one of these isolates will come-along
and try to force a ‘dose’ of The Medicine on him….that really is an utter
impossibility.

Meanwhile, what a degenerative experience it must be to feel compelled to
kow-tow to the entirely “self”-interested purveyors of the “money”/“power”
delusion….with all its toxic, corrosive, and habit-forming effects.  It might take
a little of the pressure off “Anarcissie,” and his companions in wage/debt
slavery, however, to remember that ALL “roads” lead ultimately to a restoration
of Human wholeness and health in Her Whole Healthy Living Arrangement.  This
CONtrary ‘route’ the domesticated peoples are taking is surely among the
tougher Ways to go, but we’ve all only to keep walking it together to “Get back
to where we once belonged.”

‘Cause in the never-ending Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself, “The Music goes
‘round-and-‘round.”

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 14, 2011 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

Dissertations, indeed! Not to be confused with discourse, the main ingredient of the comments section , and I would argue, the main purpose. All else is a hindrance, intentional or otherwise.

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By Anarcissie, June 14, 2011 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

TAO Walker, June 14 at 9:31 am:

‘Could The Way “Anarcissie” wonders-about be “the road”-to-recovery ....of wholeness and health as Human Beings, within a Whole Healthy Living Arrangement in which “money” and “power” are recognized for the crippling delusions that they are and have always been? ...’

Money and power may be delusional, but if I didn’t have some money and certain connections,  I’m pretty sure I’d be scavenging cans and bottles and sleeping in a refrigerator box (if I was lucky enough to possess one)—and I wouldn’t be typing this on a computer in a nice, dry, warm office.  I speak from experience; I’ve done some time as a homeless person.  As Lars Eighner says,  I’ve seen down to the bottom of the glass staircase.  If it’s an illusion it’s a mighty impressive one.  It’s the way things are for most people, at least most of the people I encounter.  Odd though they may be in other ways.

Since I don’t expect more of others than I can require of myself, I believe the road to recovery must be a communal or collective one, and no isolated persons, enlightened though they may be, can specify it for everyone else.  Or get very far down it.

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By Leefeller, June 14, 2011 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Why am I having a ground hog moment here, I feel like I am back to not seeing the forest for the trees or one of my favorite visions,... does the pope shit in the Vatican?

When people preach to me in person,  beliefs can all of a sudden be annoying,. on the street I get people quoting the gospel or personal political beliefs like what happened to me the other day at Hooters,... this idiot starts talking to me like I wanted to here his bits of widom..He start out by saying..“We are all socialists now.” then he went on to say, ” the capitalist all earned their place in society and deserve what they have, so we are socialists and they are all capitalist’s”  and I am thinking to myself this guy is an idiot who gets to vote! 

Even more annoying was the simple fact I was on the john at the local Hooters, and I had no escape.

Now sitting in the outhouse at home and typing on my computer is a hell of a lot different thing, than the john at Hooters, for one thing no running water, and the simple fact on the computer,  I have the simple option to decide if I want to opt in or out or totally even ignore something.

Now I just happen to enjoy Tao Walkers dissertations on life as he sees it and I never feel threated by him or his comments, even in disagreement. All this CONtention seems much ado about nothing.  But maybe the problem is simply some people just cannot see the forest for the trees and as far as the Pope goes…..?

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By katsteevns, June 14, 2011 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

You said it yourself, what more could I ad?

By TAO Walker,

”  Is it the political system, which is nothing but a
CONfidence schemers’ shell-game?  Is it the eCONomy, which is nothing but
the ‘operating system’ for the “civilization” disease?  Is it the make-believe
CONstruct called “America,” which is nothing but a figment of collected captive
fevered imaginations?  Is it the “global” gulag, which is nothing but the last stop
at the DEAD END of the ‘dominance’ paradigm? “

I will ad the destruction of the environment and the altering of history.

You haven’t yet addressed how you feel about being a victim of this “global gulag”. Do you really feel it is at a dead end? And who will it be that ends it, certainly not you. Mother Nature maybe( TW - “Life Herownself is coming to “kick-down” the damned thing’s “doors.””)? And has she set aside a place for you in a cave somewhere where you will be sheltered surrounded by canned goods, herbal tea and flickering candles? Kind of like the command for the Christians to go out into the “wilderness” when all hell breaks loose, huh?. De Ja Vu. Here we are back at basic Christian doctrine. Go figure.

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By TAO Walker, June 14, 2011 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

Could The Way “Anarcissie” wonders-about be “the road”-to-recovery….of
wholeness and health as Human Beings, within a Whole Healthy Living
Arrangement in which “money” and “power” are recognized for the crippling
delusions that they are and have always been?  “Anarcissie” reminds us, as well,
of the tendency among the sickened “self”-possessed to ‘project’ onto ‘others’
their own flaws and deficiencies.

This Old Indian simply invited “katsteevns,” for example, to sketch-in some
details of the metaphorical “sink(ing)” “ship” cliche s/he employed earlier.  As
usual, though, s/he RSVP’d with nothing but more of the same old ad hominem
non-sequiters so unfortunately typical of his/her ‘exchanges’ with Yours Truly. 
What might it be, in the character of “katsteevns,” which requires that none of
us be allowed to escape the awful fate s/he evidently expects to suffer at the
virtual ‘hands’ of his/her very own “self”?

“Inherit the Wind,” too, chooses to keep on pretending that his own cobbled-
together (from the bits and pieces of his own fears and antagonisms) effigy of
this Indian bears some actual resemblance to any flesh-and-blood Person
whatsoever.  Maybe someone could bring-up the ‘sins’ of the Israelites, or the
‘lesser evils’ of the current Oval Office occupant….scents upon which the gusty
“one” is usually quite “happy” to go hieing-off.

Meanwhile, The Medicine for what’s plaguing them, and their fellah ‘n’ gal
domesticates, remains right where it always is….in the given Organic Function
of Humanity, with its Natural Organic Form, within The Whole Living
Arrangement of our Mother Earth.

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, June 14, 2011 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

If he is not working for the Republican party already, I am sure they would hire him in a heartbeat. He has cash coming in from SOMEWHERE, Maybe he is, as he says, helping out(milking) his neighbors. A retirement home comes to mind.

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