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By Robert Scheer

It’s not working. Time for the president to concede that the economy is at best stagnating and at worst about to take another steep nose dive. I don’t know if we are headed for another Great Depression, as Nobel Prize economist Paul Krugman dared suggest recently, but it is amply clear that the Obama strategy, inherited from George W. Bush, of bailing out Wall Street in the forlorn hope that it would repair the economic damage the fat cats inflicted on the rest of us has not worked.

The housing market remains in dire shape, and with it the nest eggs of Americans who are responding by squelching their appetite for consumption. The Wall Street hustlers were made whole, but not so the people whose home mortgages the banks are foreclosing, or businesses and their customers looking for the credit that the banks had promised to free up.

The president conceded last week that our economy is 8 million jobs in the hole despite his bailout and stimulus program. With deficits running wild, heartless Republicans get to claim that six months more of unemployment insurance to 1.7 million out-of-work people whose benefits have ended is more than we can afford. 

Of course it’s not. That would be a $34 billion outlay to people who would actually spend the money instead of using it for acquisitions, as the big banks have done with far larger gifts of taxpayer funds. That the Republicans who favor huge military spending and tax breaks for the rich and who launched the Wall Street bailout are being hypocritical scoundrels when they say we don’t have the money to help ordinary folks is obvious. But the problem is that Barack Obama embraced the GOP strategy, and the failures of the bailouts to turn the economy around, along with the cost of two wars, are now his problems to explain.

What we need is for the president’s economic hotshots, Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, to grant damaging interviews to Rolling Stone as Gen. Stanley McChrystal recently did in self-destructing. Perhaps then President Obama would have the gumption to fire the misleaders of his economic team. It was always bizarre that those two, who did so much to wreck the economy, were put in charge of the effort to salvage it. Their previous records should have provided ample warning that their economic outlook begins and ends with the demands of Wall Street.

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It was Geithner who, as head of the New York Fed, presided over the $180 billion bailout of AIG, which, as revealed by the 500-page documented record of that travesty released last week by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, was a scam to pass taxpayer money to Goldman Sachs and the other large banks that had created the problem. And it was Summers who as President Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary pushed through the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which guaranteed “legal certainty” for the toxic derivatives packages that Goldman and the others sold. At the time Summers assured Congress that “the parties to these kinds of contracts are largely sophisticated financial institutions that would appear to be eminently capable of protecting themselves from fraud and counterparty insolvencies. …”

For such not-so-prescient but very convenient insight, Goldman Sachs rewarded Summers with $200,000 for two speeches he gave to its executives while he was an adviser to candidate Obama. Not surprisingly, the new financial regulations proposed by this administration and soon to be signed into law let Goldman and the others so much at fault off the hook.

There is enormous and justifiable populist outrage out there over the antics of a runaway Wall Street that is not being held accountable. Obama could tap into that outrage by taking his cues from a true populist, Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin. One of only eight senators to vote against the Clinton-backed 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which had done so much to protect the economy, Feingold voted against the Bush bailout too and is now breaking with Obama on his so-called financial reform:

“The bill does not eliminate the risk to our economy posed by ‘too big to fail’ financial firms, nor does it restore the proven safeguards established after the Great Depression, which separated Main Street banks from big Wall Street firms and are essential to preventing another economic meltdown. The recent financial crisis triggered the nation’s worst recession since the Great Depression. The bill should have included reforms to prevent another such crisis. Regrettably, it did not.”

The president’s record on the economy is even worse than his performance in Afghanistan, and a reversal of course is much in order. If he doesn’t get the message now, the voters will give it to him loud and clear come the November midterm elections. 

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By MarthaA, August 6, 2010 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

So, you are obfuscating to make Rupert Murdoch’s lap dog Sarah Palin look better.

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By garth, August 5, 2010 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

Obama and Sarah Palin might share the same trajectory of fame. 

Obama, as the PR grandson of Uncle Remus, invited all of us to the theater to enjoy his rhetoric and dissembling.  Those of us who went to theater without nosegays were soon driven out by the stench of his Cabinet appointments, his tin ear and layabout attitude to the health insurance bill, and now his stance on War at all costs.
Sarah, who could be the girl from the Sorority who dropped out in her Sophomore year, got a shot of Revival from John McCain. 

After two years of a shrill voice and no ideas, and her tea party being exposed for what it was in the beginning, a rag-tag bunch of paid-for rabble who just thought that they had something to say, it’s time to get serious.

Americans are not that stupid.  The to callers to C-SPAN’s Washington Journal and the drone of the MSM about the downfall in the upcoming election, do not give an accurate picture of what Americans actually think.

I don’t know for sure, but I do know that some faceless voice on C-SPAN or some Washington-based political reporter doesn’t know either.

Rigged elections are always a possibility.  Who knows what they have in mind to retain control over your army and your wealth.

But, I do know that a lot of attendees to Uncle Remus’s grandson’s debut as President of the United States have left the theater.  Parting words were, “I’ve got to get some freah air.  I’ll talk to you outside.”

If only Sarah would just stop talking.  That would be a big improvement in itself.

Adios Barack & Sarah

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By kulu, August 5, 2010 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

BR549,

I suppose the defining difference between right and left is a concern for the individual by the right versus a concern for the community by the left. This can apply at the individual, the group, the national level and so on. It can apply to race issues, to religious issues, to our generation vs future generations. It manifests itself in how we view taxes, immigrants, the environment, the UN etc etc.

I don’t think though that the end point for the leftist would be pure democracy in the sense that the need for a government would fall away. the concern for the community (read others) more or less obligates some form of authority be empowered to ensure that the natural commons and the constructed commons are not abused by individuals, groups etc.

I guess these thoughts are a work in progress but suffice for the time being.

The end point for the right as a completely corporatized fascist entity doesn’t seem plausible in the long run either as at some point the part of the “we” which grabs the power will alienate the others who will become another “we” in their own right (no pun there).

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By MarthaA, August 4, 2010 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

BR549, August 4 at 5:28 pm,

It was once common knowledge that because the Conservative Republicans were such a minority party and the Liberal Democratic Party was such a massive majority party that it was OK for Conservative Republicans to use sophism in politics, because there were so few Conservative Republicans, but in time, by manipulating the populace and keeping the populace from talking about politics of their own interest, the Conservative Republicans were able to use their money and the media to deceive the populace into thinking the populace are conservatives with something to protect, even if they haven’t a pot to pee in, because the two things you can’t talk about are religion and politics.  What ever reason would that be for, other than to give the Conservative REPUBLICANS an edge, but after the way they have used it, all holds have to be unbarred and freedom of speech must no longer be curtailed.

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By BR549, August 4, 2010 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

Martha,
“...the Democratic Party is the party that most represents the populace..”

BTW, do you polish that ring they put through your nose, or does it come with that custom lacquer coated finish? Who the heck do you think voted for Bush in all those little backwater towns throughout Grainbelt, America. All ballot box fudging by the Republicans (and now the Democrats) aside, both constituencies voted for who they best felt would preserve the current values and lifestyle of the American people, and when you add up the numbers, most of the population just wanted some degree of normalcy.

Then you get those nouveau riche Starbucks toting Volvo owners who gather at their own quaint little versions of “upper crust” suburban cocktail parties; yes, they were the ones who thought they’d be included in Bush’s Billionaire Club, but it was the Peet’s Coffee toting Prius owners who were voting for Obama because they were sure they’d get swept up in the Hope and Change Revolution.

BOTH of these groups got screwed royally, because neither group realized that the problem people at the top never bothered to vote. There was no need to, since they controlled the media anyway and the elections were only a farce. The Republican elite answered to them in Pavlovian fashion, no different from the Democrat elite. Some dog trainer like Timothy Geittner would go out and blow his goddamn dog whistle and both of these groups of salivating hounds would sit on command.

And if either of them failed to respond to the bell training, they either had their bowl of Gravy Train yanked away or they wound up in a ravine, yet ANOTHER victim of a small plane crash. A few of the classic Democrats that knew how to play ball were Gary Hart, Daniel Inouye, Robert Bird, Ted Kennedy, to name a few.

But the one thing you’ll never hear ANY of them talk about, Rebublican or Democrat, is state sovereignty or dumping NAFTA. When you find a candidate willing to embrace those, that’s your candidate.

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By MarthaA, August 4, 2010 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

BR549, August 4 at 5:28 pm,

No, they do not.  They try to make it appear that way, but there is only one aristocracy per country and it is the Conservative Right Wing, in the United States it is the REPUBLICAN PARTY . 

There are only two political parties of consequence, the Democratic Party is the party that most represents the populace and if the populace will not be as hard headed as you, perhaps the populace will organize and make the Democratic Party represent the populace, which is what it should be doing, instead of going along to get along with Conservative REPUBLICAN EXTREMISTS.

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By BR549, August 4, 2010 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

Martha,
You’re still stuck on the arcane terminology of yesteryear. The current day
“Aristocracy” lives quite comfortably in BOTH parties. THAT was the change
that fooled everyone in mainstream America; the voters were still thinking that
the British were wearing red and the Colonial Army was wearing blue.
Meanwhile, the instigators of the whole war were sitting comfortably back in
merry old England with their noses lofted high in the air and discussing the
death and carnage of the “colonial turmoil” as a mere blip in their financial
holdings.

You’ve got to get the image of those pesky uniforms out of your head. The true
enemy doesn’t wear a uniform, ...... intentionally. The two current factions of
our US aristocracy, or perhaps they should be better referred to as political
underbosses, are the Democrat and Republican Parties. They BOTH wear
American flag pins on the lapels, and the BOTH drape themselves in the flag
every chance they can get. They serve the same mob bosses and in the end,
depending on which “family” gets into power in the neighborhood, you still pay
through the nose for something that was yours to begin with. The whole bunch
of rat bastards should be executed for treason and I doubt many would
disagree with me.

What is so hard to understand? They expect you and others to still be thinking
that the Redcoats are the cause of the problem, so while you are busy wasting
all your energy chasing down the messenger Redcoat, the real villains have
seized your land and bogged you and your family down with innumerable
taxes. I hope this scenario is starting to sound more familiar, because if you
haven’t gotten it by now, there isn’t much else I can do. I’ve thrown you every
life preserver left on the ship and you keeping casting them off.

Let me put this another way. As long as these same political imposters keep
casting stones back and forth between their two parties, the energy they use
keeps people in the TV audience thinking that their representatives are still
hard at work defending their constituents’ way of life; but when you check on
the logical sequence of Executive Orders and pieces of back room legislation,
what you’ll find is that they’ve left the citizens totally in the dark and actually
undermined those citizens’ sovereign rights.

The difference here, Martha, is that NEITHER of the parties will be willing to discuss dumping NAFTA or securing state and individual sovereignty. Don’t think so? Start asking your representatives and watch how fast they start squirming. Start discussing the single most important precept of our founding documents, and these people run like cockroaches.

Don’t take my word for it; check it out for yourself. There’s enough material out there to keep you busy for a decade, and when you finish, you’ll be right back here finally understanding what so many of us have been trying to convey to you. So, grab a beer and join the team.

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By MarthaA, August 4, 2010 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

BR549, August 3 at 3:27 pm,

The Right is the aristocracy. 

The Left is the populace masses.

You have two arms, one is the Right, and the other is the Left, if you follow only the Right, will you have your Left arm removed?—I think not, but that is what Right-Wing Rupert Murdoch/Glenn BeckType Conservatism promotes for the Left of our country.

In order for there to be a whole there is always a left and right side of anything and everything.

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By BR549, August 3, 2010 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

Kulu,
Not a rant, but aren’t even you needing to revert back to using the term, “the
Right”, to reflect the direction of the world’s governments?

It’s hard, I guess, because we’ve become so used to using that term, within the
last several generations in particular, to express any movement of that
political barometer we’ve been using. To some degree I suppose we could say
that the end result of a true democratic republic would be that everyone has so
many sovereign rights that we don’t have or need for government at all. And I
suppose to that degree also, we could also say that following the Right (as
we’ve become accustomed to call it) would lead to corporatism, then total
fascism, and the result wouldn’t be a government; it would be total
enslavement.

Your thoughts?

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By kulu, August 3, 2010 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

What’s in a name? All I know is that capitalism as we know it has reached its use by date. The whole world more or less has been shifting ever more to the right (some of South America excepted) and its leading us to ecological and humanitarian oblivion. It’s not a matter of whether but how long.

And leading the pack is the good old USA with Obama waving them forward. Obama-Bush, Bush-Obama, Clinton Reagan and on and on. Decades ago these people ceased to lead but became figureheads, much like the civilians put in power by military coup after CIA instigated military coup in Latin America (Honduras the latest victim) or the puppet heads installed in Iraq & Afghanistan.

How’s that for a rant?

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By BR549, August 3, 2010 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

Martha,
You’re again confusing the change needed to realign our ENTIRE political system
with the historical stated philosophy of change of progressivism. You’re talking
apples and oranges.

As much as conservatism needs to get back to its old roots, so do those
representatives who CLAIM to be Democrats need to disengage themselves from
the self centered hoarding that they accuse the conservatives of doing.

Either way, both parties don’t have to change their PHILOSOPHIES, what they do
have to change is the course that led them away from FOLLOWING those
philosophies. That goes for BOTH parties.

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By MarthaA, August 2, 2010 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

BR549, August 2 at 10:23 pm,

Not the same.  Progressive is change and we have had change.  We need more change, but change is slow when the Congress is infested with Conservatism. -

There is nothing fiscal about conservatism; conservative is a trope.  Conservatism will totally destroy the United States unless liberal, progressives innovate the Congress for change.

You think there is no change, is the lack of change you perceive because President Obama is too conservative?  Because there is no change with conservatives and conservatives should be happy..

Or is your problem because there is too much change?  Conservatives can’t stand change, but for progress to happen, there has to be change..

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By BR549, August 2, 2010 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, August 2 at 7:49 pm

“Tropes are words, like conservative, that have more than one meaning.  Tropes
are used politically by conservatism’s aristocracy to rally the populace against
their own best interest.”

Do you mean like how the Democrats use the terms “progressive” and “liberal”
to rally their constituency over the cliff of Hope and Change while Hilary and
Obama sell the Constitution off for bid cage liner?

As I said, the same shit is going on in BOTH parties, and BOTH parties have the
where-with-all to make the system functional again, ...... IF integrity and
honesty are allowed to become desirable goals. As long as the Fed is pulling
the puppet strings, representatives from BOTH parties are going to be bribed,
blackmailed, or threatened into compliance.

In the future, I would appreciate it if you didn’t try to be so condescending.
Stubborn, I don’t mind.

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By garth, August 2, 2010 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

MarthA,

You’re funny, if nothing else.

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By MarthaA, August 2, 2010 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont says, “Rally The People”

“This upper-crust of extremely wealthy families are hell-bent on destroying the democratic vision of a strong middle-class which has made the United States the envy of the world. In its place they are determined to create an oligarchy in which a small number of families control the economic and political life of our country.”


http://www.commondreams.org/video/2010/08/02-0


BR549, August 2 at 8:24 am,

Tropes are words, like conservative, that have more than one meaning.  Tropes are used politically by conservatism’s aristocracy to rally the populace against their own best interest.

Looks like garth has the correct meaning of conservative down.

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By garth, August 2, 2010 at 8:10 am Link to this comment

Wait a minute, wait a minute.  I know what a trope is.  A trope is fuzzy-headed floozy.  No, wait,  that’s a trollop.

I remember when Goldwater was becoming popular in the sixties and proclaimed himself to be a conservative (Conservativism in pursuit of Liberty is no vice…).  He was later considered the high preist of conservativism along with William F. Buckley et al.

Hubert Humphrey and few Senators from the upper mid- west were considered Liberals.  They were for the industrial worker and the farmer.

Conservtivism gained in popularity as Johnson’s War became too deadly.  People, I think, felt as if they were losing control over the people’s government, and wanted to go back to what they thought were their roots and conserve what was good and what worked.

The current idea of Conservatism is anarchical in its thrust.  This is one of the stepping stones to fascism.  Angry people doing angry things in search of a path back to some Golden Age.

The current media idea of Liberalism being promulgated is that it has turned away from the common problems of the worker to the interests of a few social groups like abortion, gays in the military, gay rights etc.

I saw a program this morning on CCTV about the Federal Reserve Bank.  There are many in circulation now.  It depicted how the Fed has usurped the power from the people and moved it too a few super wealthy. 

They did this purportedly to stop the bubble-burst cycle and the return of Panics.

Ask yourself, have they succeeded?  The answer is obvious.

They have turned this country into a Welfare State for the rich and super rich.  It’s their personal playground.

I think that the more urgent business is getting rid of the Fed.  Then we can return to the legitimate argument between Liberals and Conservative.

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By BR549, August 2, 2010 at 4:24 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, August 2 at 1:03 am # ,

“BR549, Do you know what a trope is?”

Yes, but I’m sure you’ve redefined that term in the English language too in order
to have something else to argue about.

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By MarthaA, August 1, 2010 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

BR549, August 2 at 12:48 am,

Do you know what a trope is?

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By BR549, August 1, 2010 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

Just like the Neocons had hijacked the Republican Party, they had also hijacked
the term Conservatism. There is nothing conservative about this group. While
the mainstream Grain Belt and Bible Belt crowds are still embracing the older
functional version of the term, the politicians have just used that term like
some floozy who chooses to wear an even shorter skirt.

From Wikipedia under “Conservatism” (under “English Conservatism”) and
Edmund Burke is the following:

“Some conservatives lamented the passing of a pastoral world where the ethos
of noblesse oblige had promoted respect from the lower classes. They saw the
Anglican church and the aristocracy as balances against commercial wealth.[22]
They worked toward legislation for improved working conditions and urban
housing.[23] This viewpoint would later be called Tory Democracy.[24]”

That first sentence says it all and THAT is what our Middle America is thinking
about when it marches to the voting booth and votes Conservative. They don’t
yet know that they have become yet another victim of Madison Avenue-esqe
politics.

So, Martha, while many Goldwater era Republicans MAY have tried to impose
their more straight Tory definition of the term “Conservatism”, that in no way
confines the term to any one political era, even from back into the 1600s to
the present. As the article states, Conservatives espoused a more gentle
approach to change in society.

If this were a carnival, the Conservatives would be riding the swan boats while
the Progressives would be riding the roller coaster. And that moniker of
Conservatism transcended all party lines. It has SOME political alignment with
aristocracy and control of the monetary system as some groups may have tried
to commandeer that term for their own benefit, but it DOES NOT give those
groups sole use of the term. Edmund Burke was one such advocate, himself a
Whig.

Again, you need to get this foolish notion out of your head. It isn’t
Conservatives who are the problem. It is the politicians who prostitute
themselves under any phrase that they think they can get elected with, AND
the voting population which fails to understand the difference.

In the end, it still comes down to honesty, integrity, and morality and any
member of any party can have all or none of those virtues.

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By ThomasG, August 1, 2010 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

Conservatives conserve what innovation innovates and innovationism and liberalism are the same thing.

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By BR549, August 1, 2010 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, August 1 at 6:44 pm

“Conservatives do not give a fat rat’ arse about socially responsible government to
the populace of the nation as a whole…...”

and

“From this statement, it is plain to see that you have no idea whatsoever what
Conservatism is ....”

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Talk about !@#$%*& dogma .....!!!!

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By MarthaA, August 1, 2010 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

BR549, August 1 at 3:49 pm,

“If any conservative politician had come around whose philosophies might have espoused any form of socially responsible governance,” —BR549 August 1 3:49 pm

From this statement, it is plain to see that you have no idea whatsoever what Conservatism is, when it is the main ruling power within our government that is causing all the chaos within the government to keep the populace out, as the populace masses is the liberal side of government.

Conservatives do not give a fat rat’ arse about socially responsible government to the populace of the nation as a whole, the only social responsibility Conservatism has is to Big corporations, Big Insurance, Big Banksters, Big industry in other countries, the aristocracy, and a Big Police State to help Conservatism protect what it has or may be able to get by keeping the populace from being politically to any benefit.

Conservatives do not believe in sharing socially with the populace, Conservatives have to be made to share.

But when a large part of the liberal populace doesn’t make Conservatives share, because they all think they are Conservatives, which makes it easy for Conservatism to double talk and run rough shod over the populace, who will never get anything from Conservatives, because Conservatives do not; let me restate for emphasis, DO NOT represent the populace in any way shape, form or fashion. 

The populace has been propagandized by the Conservatives to the point where they do not like being the liberal populace, but they ARE the liberal populace.
 
Anyone who is a member of the populace should represent the populace, instead of the Conservative aristocracy.

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By BR549, August 1, 2010 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, August 1 at 3:31 pm

If any conservative politician had come around whose philosophies might have
espoused any form of socially responsible governance, you would have
interrupted your proselytizing just long enough to race off your wobbling peach
crate and beat him with a stick before he had a chance to make his intentions
known.

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By MarthaA, August 1, 2010 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

BR549, August 1 at 2:01 pm,

Who cares about the Democratic Party and the Republican Party—  the problem is NOT Democrats and Republicans, the problem is Liberals and Conservatives.  Are you a Conservative?  Do you find Conservatism to be your forte?

Our country is overloaded with Conservatism and in need of real Liberals, not Conservatism’s New-Liberals, but real innovative, progressive, Liberals, which is the only political party for innovation and progression for our country, as Conservatism holds and withdraws to conserve that which is deemed to be worthwhile and fears to move forward.

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By garth, August 1, 2010 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

When I read the reponses of a certain commenter here and on Financial Meltdown 101, it leads me to believe that Freud might have been onto something after all.  If Freud is ever in vogue again and someone wants to do a study on the effects of our political system on hysterical women, he or she could start right here, on Truthdig.

One thing I’ve noticed is that the peanut gallery for the neo-Liberal Left and the Tea Party for the Rabid Right all have a Pavlovian like response.  Maybe it’s a key word that sets them off. 

Kulu and BR549 made it abundantly clear that there is no Democratic Party nor Republican Party.  I contend that it wouldn’t matter if we had 100 Democratic Senators and 435 Democratic Congressman, the results would be the same—the health insurance companies would write the health insurance bill, the credit card companies would write the credit card bill, investment banks would write the Wall Street reform bill and also would select the leader of the Consumer agency, and so on. 

And then come the wars. Especially the wars.  You can’t have a United States without a war or two, now can you?

As one caller to C-SPOON said the other morning that the Democrats and Republicans are playing a variation of Good cop/Bad cop.  They are both working together to undo the gains that were made in this country from 1940 to 1970.

I’s a Race to Bottom.  Red or Blue.  Makes no difference.

It gets a little tiring, though, with the media in collusion.  Gregory on Meet the Press this morning asked Greenspan and Mayor Bloomberg the questions with any grist and then asked Rendell if the Democrats are going to lose seats in the upcoming election?

Sometimes they ask one of the other big questions of our day, ‘How do feel about gays in the military or gay marriage or aborition?’

Some day the shit’s going to hit the fan. 

As Bob Dylan said, ‘You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.’

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By BR549, August 1, 2010 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

By MarthaA, August 1 at 12:04 pm

“BR549 ..... Are you a Conservative?

Actually NO, but as long as you continue to drive square pegs into round holes,
I’m not going own any one of the monikers that you choose to force on everyone.

How about, “If you were in a Congress full of alligators, how would you confirm
which reptilian politicians weren’t going to send you home missing a leg?”

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By MarthaA, August 1, 2010 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

kulu, August 1 at 1:11 pm,

Not being an alligator, if you were in a room full of alligators, how would you confirm which alligators are your constituents?

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By kulu, August 1, 2010 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

MarthaA,

When I see or hear the effects of Obama’s appointments and policies the alligator image does not seem to be inappropriate. I see his pusillanimous “effort” at health care reform, his hawkish policies on war including his WMD rhetoric re Iran (with Bush it was Iraq) his undermining of climate change negotiations in Copenhagen, his “drill baby drill” policies on oil etc etc I see him for what he really is.

Alas for I too, although I’ve never even been to the US, held out hopes that his election would signal a change in direction. That was stupid of me and I now know better than to place any hopes at all on our mainstream politicians - this in Australia where I happen to reside as well as America and other western countries.

On your argument favouring the liberalization of the Democratic party as the way forward, I’m not sure but perhaps the way forward is to have a two way bet. Try to infiltrate the Democrats and get progressive candidates who do not accept donations from the corporates elected in the first place and if, in each particular case, that fails as it has done in Utah and southern California that I know off than vote and act for an independent progressive such as Ralph Nader where available.

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BR549, July 31 at 10:06 am,

Are you a Conservative? 

For the country to change, it will take more than belief in liberal values, but action.  The Conservative Right needs to be removed from the Liberal Left.  The lack of liberal values is what is missing in our government politically, due to mass media conservatism.
 
Conservatism is great for the alphabet and the numbering system and this type of necessity, because we do need to conserve many acts of innovation,  but to try to run the country without liberal values of innovation politically is ludicrous.

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By BR549, July 31, 2010 at 6:06 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, July 31 at 1:07 am #

“No, it does not require a quantum shift from both parties, it only requires a
quantum shift from one party, the Democratic Party, that represents the Liberal
Wing of the Congress.”

Keep believing that. It’s all you’ll have left.

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By MarthaA, July 30, 2010 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

BR549, July 30 at 11:58 pm,

“If you can somehow convince Democratic legislators to abandon their greedy nature to develop a conscience and re-embrace the Constitution, what would stop duly elected Republican legislators from also developing a conscience and re-embracing the Constitution? It requires a quantum shift from BOTH parties, not just one.” —BR549 July 30 11:58 pm

Who said anything about convincing the Democratic Party of anything?  Not me; there is no way you can convince them of anything, power will have to be taken.

No, it does not require a quantum shift from both parties, it only requires a quantum shift from one party, the Democratic Party, that represents the Liberal Wing of the Congress.

I said the populace can take over the Democratic Party if the populace as a whole will unite en masse in the Democratic Party as members, membership costs $25. and you have to specifically request to be a member, not just send in a donation.  Membership in the Democratic Party is the ONLY WAY,  and change will come with the reelection of Liberal officers and directors by majority vote, as the Democratic Party is the Liberal Wing of Congress.

Liberals can never gain control of the autocratic Republican Party that is the Conservative Wing of Congress.  All members of the liberal populace in the Republican Party are only stooges being used as Conservative cuckolds, but the Democratic Party can be changed, if the liberal “populace as a whole” will just do it.

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MarthaA, July 30 at 6:44 pm

“If by trying to undermine President Obama, you are pining for autocratic,
authoritarian Republicans that tore our country to shreds, then that is you, but
I think the American “populace as a whole” will be smarter than that.”

Martha, nice try, but no cigar. There you go ..... AGAIN, still missing the point. Look, you bring up some good material in your last post. My personal favorite is the “No Confidence” vote. Any legislator who supported such a measure should have been ushered out and shot on the front steps.

That aside, I will try another avenue to explain my point. Expecting to alter the elitist attitudes of those democrats in power is no different than altering the attitudes of the Republicans in power; what is needed is a quantum shift in
loyalties. One faction aligns itself with the populace; the other (at least somewhat historically) with the elite or the monied interests.

If you can somehow convince Democratic legislators to abandon their greedy nature to develop a conscience and re-embrace the Constitution, what would stop duly elected Republican legislators from also developing a conscience and re-embracing the Constitution? It requires a quantum shift from BOTH parties, not just one.

Whether the Democrats descend from their lofty towers and roll up their shirt sleeves or the Republicans develop a true sense of “noblesse oblige”, it makes no difference in the long run, particularly when the prime concern is the preservation of the Constitution.

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kulu, July 29 at 11:49 am,

Would you know an alligator if you saw one?  It appears you have no idea, or are trying to obfuscate.

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BR549, July 29 at 7:47 am,

If by trying to undermine President Obama, you are pining for autocratic, authoritarian Republicans that tore our country to shreds, then that is you, but I think the American “populace as a whole” will be smarter than that. 

The Republicans are propagandizing the “populace as a whole” as hard as they can, and if they sell their propaganda to the “populace as a whole”, the populace may backlash, but backlash to the Republicans is certain death for democracy.  Backlash is neither a choice nor a solution for the populace as a whole” not having a choice. 

Since there are only two political parties and three political constituencies, all the third constituency, the 70% MAJORITY “populace as a whole”, can do is backlash vote, which is no vote at all, when there is no confidence in either party.
 
The populace have been set up in my state of Oklahoma, at least in Rogers County, it is a felony to write in a “no confidence vote”; therefore, if you vote;  backlash is your only choice, and there are many times I would like to write in “NO CONFIDENCE” for my vote.

Since there isn’t a “no confidence vote” allowed, the “populace as a whole” must realize who they are, unite and stay in one political party, the Democratic Party, the party that isn’t one and the same with the Grand Old Party’s corporate aristocracy of elites, because no matter how the Middle Class dresses up the academic populace, the populace are NOT the aristocracy, although they are trying to be, still they are not.

The Republican Party is the party of the aristocratic elites and if the “populace as a whole” want to turn our country around, they must pull out of the Republican Party, because you can’t mix oil and water. The Republican Party is oil and the populace is water.

The “populace as a whole” must stay in the one political party that does not represent the Aristocratic Grand Old Party of elites, the Democratic Party.

In the news, the Republican Party, in Oklahoma, have put the Republicans first out on the General Election Voting Ballot, instead of following alphabetical order, as if they deserve to be 1st out, but the minority Republican Party does not deserve to be 1st out on the General Election Voting Ballot and should follow alphabetical order, but their party is the party of big mammon, and therefore get their way.

The “populace as a whole” to have power, must not allow the “populace as a whole” to be divided between both parties, because the Democratic Party is the party that should represent the “populace as a whole” and can be made to represent the “populace as a whole”, if the populace will realize the “populace as a whole” must be kept as a whole unit,  unified in the Democratic Party, and then make the Democratic Party be a party that represents the 70% MAJORITY populace, instead of only a party for the upper 20% of the populace, the Middle Class, and not continue voting backlash because the “populace as a whole” is allowing itself to be divided.

Backlash is not a choice at all and the “populace as a whole” must quit voting backlash for the autocratic, authoritarian Republican Party Conservatives to take advantage of the majority population.

It may appear the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are the same, but they are not.  There is a world of difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, but that difference will never be seen unless the populace unifies and changes the Democratic Party to represent the “populace as a whole”.  The Republican Party can’t be changed to represent the “populace as a whole”, but the Democratic Party is only being allowed to run amuck of the populace by the “populace as a whole” and it is time the “populace as a whole” realize it and make a change.

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By kulu, July 29, 2010 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

Garth you say…

“Imagine if, after “The Wall” went down in Eastern Europe, we had decided to
devote our monetary resources toward solar and wind energies, water
conservation and educating everyone why it was a a desirable thing to
gradually down-populate the planet to a more stable level. We could have
recentralized our smaller communities to reinforce the family and community
units and actually be able to walk or bike to work and contribute to community
gardening programs.”

... and surely even the elite would be no worse off under this scenario. They must be dumb as well as barbaric.

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By BR549, July 29, 2010 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

Garth,
We should all just take the stance that we have been swindled and have no
legal obligation to make good on our debts.

We should collectively march on our Capitols and demand a reinstatement of
State and Individual Sovereignty.

We should demand that our sovereign state territory seize, through eminent
domain, those lands that have been misappropriated over the years by the
Federal Government.

We should abolish the Federal Reserve and put my cognitively challenged
ne’er-do-well cousin of mine, Fred, in charge, because he’d certainly do a far
better job than is being done now.

We could be doing some really great and wonderous things with our resources
and our workforce ...... if it weren’t for the people who always try to bullshit
the population into thinking that they must be in charge so they can “take care
of us”.

Imagine if, after “The Wall” went down in Eastern Europe, we had decided to
devote our monetary resources toward solar and wind energies, water
conservation and educating everyone why it was a a desirable thing to
gradually down-populate the planet to a more stable level. We could have
recentralized our smaller communities to reinforce the family and community
units and actually be able to walk or bike to work and contribute to community
gardening programs.

Even if we had accomplished just a fraction of that as a start, we wouldn’t have
any towel-headed boogeymen (as Bush and Cheney would have us believe)
trying to wipe our culture off the face of the planet. We would be helping them,
with no strings attached, and we might be amazed at what we’d get in return.

Just look at where we are and how much they’ve fucked things up. How much
better off we’d be if we could actually trust people instead of always having to
listen to spoon fed news sources that teach us to fear them.

We become fearful of others when we fear for our own survival, and by design,
the power elite is doing its damnedest to make sure we won’t know where our
next meal will come from or if we’ll ever see our family members again.

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Kulu said it all.  That’s the way it is.  The sooner we face up to that dilemma, the better off we’ll all be.

Thanks BR549, your heads-up on Russ Fiengold’s attempt to usurp the water rights of Americans and to hand them over to corprations was reaffirmed today on DemocracyNow!

Bolivia learned the lesson.  Collecting rainwater in Bolivia was once outlawed, thanks to George Schultz’s friend at Bechtel. 

The Bolivian labor unions and farmers dropped their tools and their hoes and marched on the Capital.  And that was the end of that.

Education, prisons, food, water all privatized.  Do you feel they are getting closer and closer to very idea of existence?

Where’s all the money going from these ventures?

Devin Nunes a Republican back bencher from a safe seat in the San Fernando valley in California said on C-SPOON yesterday that Social Security will cost $ 60 Trillion.  Where’s he getting that number.

Steve Scully, the numb but congenial host, didn’t call him on it.  Why couldn’t Stevie baby ask, “And where does this number come from?”

Well, I’ll tell you.  It comes from a projection into infinity (that’s infinity, beyond what the eye can see) of the amount of money collected from workers and (here’s the key) from employers.

To put this in perspective, Jack Welch former GE CEO said he was not going provide for the retirement of his workers.  He said that while he was trying to alk off with $ 10 million from the GE illegally.  He had to pay it back.  But….$ 10 million.  I’m sure the randy, old, bald-headed bastard who played cribbage with his mama is feeling the pinch.

Especially, when he’s golfing with Bill Gates and commiserating with Warren Buffet.

By the way, the $60 trillion into infinity from Social Security is just a partial payemnt to holders of the debt from Credit Default Swaps gambling in the Wall Street casinos.

$ 600 Trillion dollars lost in bad bets.  You don’t think they are going walk away from that do you?  The repayment plan is for the long haul.  Maybe infinity.

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MarthaA, July 28 at 11:11 pm

Unfortunately Martha Obama IS one the alligators. This was evident right from the very start notwithstanding all those voters who hoped it would be otherwise. No, the answer is not to give him the benefit of the doubt - there is no longer any doubt as there is no longer any doubt that the Democrats and Republicans are on the same side…working for the same master which unfortunately is not you or the citizenry at large.

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By BR549, July 29, 2010 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, July 28 at 11:11 pm

Martha, you’ve done it again and proved my point perfectly. At the 4:48 mark,
at the very end of the interview, Moore finally gets to the crux of the matter
and superficially as question about corporations. No answers or accusations,
just a few simple questions. Had Moore been more willing to delve into the
CAFR, the Bilderburg Group, the build up of our prison system, the seemingly
new discovery of trillions of dollars worth of Lithium deposits in Afghanistan,
....... and then, when he was FINALLY able to connect the dots from all that lead
right to Obama, perhaps then his “lightbulb” would come on and he’d then
understand why we are where we are.

I like Michael Moore and the work he has done, but as of the first part of that
interview, he is so incredibly naive. Moore, unfortunately, is still in love with
Obama, too much so to ever believe that his savior’s halo could be anything but
shiny white.

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BR549, July 28 at 10:24 pm,

President Obama started out with Governor Dean, therefore, I will not give up on President Obama doing what is right for the populace until I hear Governor Dean say that President Obama is one of the Right-Wing of the Democratic Party, and he hasn’t yet.  We must not be too touchy, President Obama is among a bunch of alligators and it is easy to drive in the back seat, but much more difficult in the front seat.  Here is what I think of President Obama which is exactly the same as what Michael Moore stated:  http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion/75-75/2535-michael-moore-is-right-about-obama

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MarthaA, July 28 at 9:12 pm

... and a politician who passes himself off and gets elected as a progressive
liberal, but who spends his/her career supporting the long term objectives of a
Conservative and ultimately undermines the very philosophy of his/her own
party, is STILL A Conservative ..........

Now we can talk about the Clintons and Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and that whole
bunch of sociopathically dysfunctional Neo-Vichy Collaborationist Democrats
who have sold out their own party.

So, now we’re back to square one; at the original point I was trying to make
back on July 7th.

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BR549, July 28 at 8:12 pm,

The “Vichy Collaborationism Democrats” are Conservatives cooperating with the Republican (NAZIS).  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborationism  Don’t you know that a Conservative by any other name is still a Conservative, as is a rose by any other name still a rose.

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By BR549, July 28, 2010 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Martha said:
“The Conservatives have totally left the Left out of political representation ...”

The problem isn’t just the Conservatives, it’s also those Liberal/Progressive
legislators who claim to espouse their respective philosophy but INSTEAD have
personally aligned themselves with the Right.

When Bush gets out of office and the Dems control the Congress and we’re still
headed down the path of destruction and trashing the Constitution, how do you
blame that on the Conservatives alone, at least under your definition?

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BR549, July 28 at 9:09 am,

The Right is the problem—NOT the Left.  The Conservatives have totally left the Left out of political representation— with the exception of the toady Conservative Left.

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By BR549, July 28, 2010 at 5:09 am Link to this comment

Martha said:
“Independents are smart enough to realize there is no choice, but throw away
their Primary vote and any chance of correcting the Democratic Party, whereas
if all the Independents would unify in the one party that doesn’t represent the
Grand Old Party, the GOP, then the populace would have a chance of getting
our country back from Right-Wing corporate control, but the population voting
Republican just give our country to the Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMISTS
Fascists of the corporations through ignorance and foolishness.”

I certainly agree with that, HOWEVER, there you go again with that Conservative
Right-Wing Extremist Fascist moniker. I will still argue that it’s no different
than the Progressive Left-Wing Extremist Fascists, who themselves, as a
controlling body (the Clintons in particular), have knowingly allowed for the
fragmentation of our middle class, the destruction of our manufacturing base,
and the consolidation of wealth and power through more government. Obama
is just the latest flunky on a team of bought and sold politicians in this political
relay race being run and monitored by the illuminati.

I am in no way trying to reduce the blame on the Right-Wing Extremist you so
find so vile; I’m merely trying to illustrate that unless we include the
problematic LEFT, NOTHING will change in the upcoming election. NOTHING.

While agree with you that your argument about the multiple factions popping
up has become a unification problem, THAT is due to either piss-poor
management by our leaders failing to recognize how to keep these factions
cohesively bound into one viable unit, OR WORSE, an intentional ploy by a
series of pathologically motivated politicians to force the American populace
into a state of disunity in order to to be able to impose more control, more
restrictive laws, and more taxes. You might want to take a harder look at that
last sentence, and then look at the corrosive philosophies of Zibignew
Brezenski, Henry Kissinger, and Paul Wolfowitz. One eventually begins to see
how this whole political scenario has become a global manipulation and has
little to do the self determination of the American People.

The last line in Episode 10 of “Lone Gunman”, stands out here. Mr. Byers (a CIA
insider) says to his son, “I know, you and your friends are fighting for the
American Dream. Just don’t expect to win.”

So while you may be correct about the increase in factions, look at what we
have in government that is intentionally creating those factions in order to
keep us, not just as “a house divided”, but a house fragmented.

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BR549, July 27 at 10:24 pm,

The problem is constituencies——there are too many different economic constituencies for only two political parties, as there is not any longer just the populace and the elite; now we have the New Class, the Professional Middle Class, the intellectualized, tertiary-educated, meritocratic elites of the law, academia, the media, the great foundations and government bureaucracies, of which includes Bill and Hillary Clinton, leaders of the DLC, and many others, that the DLC, Democratic Leadership Council, and the DNC represent exclusively.

There has always been the upper class of the populace, but it wasn’t so bad before they literally separated themselves from the populace and declared their New Class, the Professional Middle Class, but when they declared their New Class, that forever separated the New Class from the populace, and since the New Class represents themselves, the populace no longer have representation, as the New Class caused there to be three political constituencies in the United States:  1) The Elite Corporate Capitalist Class that are 10% of the population, 2) The New Class in the Middle, the Professional Middle Class that are 20% of the population, and the 70% Populace and the 70% Populace through sophism and propaganda are divided, not knowing that they are the populace through the Right’s use of sophism and propaganda and their own ignorance, but the Right through this tactic has divided the populations unity so that the entire populace is easily conquered and put into slavery, because the populace think there is a choice and the elite Republican side of the spectrum is not a choice for the populace because they will never ever represent the populace constituency.

Independents are smart enough to realize there is no choice, but throw away their Primary vote and any chance of correcting the Democratic Party, whereas if all the Independents would unify in the one party that doesn’t represent the Grand Old Party, the GOP, then the populace would have a chance of getting our country back from Right-Wing corporate control, but the population voting Republican just give our country to the Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMISTS Fascists of the corporations through ignorance and foolishness.

Here is a way to explain constituencies:  Let’s say there are three large families, one is the Green Family constituency, one is the Blue Family constituency, and one is the Red Family constituency.  The Green Family constituency have Green Family issues, the Blue Family constituency have Blue Family issues, and the Red Family constituency have Red Family issues.  The Red Family never discuss their issues with the Green family and likewise with the Blue Family.  But for the American Populace, all the issues of the constituency of the American Populaces are discussed and handled by those other constituencies that do not have the American Populace’s constituency’s best interest at heart, therefore the American Populace lose jobs and jobs are outsourced.  The only way it will ever change is if the American Populace can get separate representation for the American Populace’s constituency, because no other constituency cares about any constituency other than their own.

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MarthaA, July 27 at 9:42 pm

“Jones calls them the elite, and the elite are the Conservative EXTREMISTS.  All
Conservatives are Right-Wing EXTREMISTS whether they sit on the Right or the
Left in Congress, and any member of the populace is foolish if they think they
are politically Conservative and that the Republicans are helping to make the
country better for the populace.  Also, all members of Congress saying they are
Moderate,  lean Conservative, as there is actually NO MODERATE POSITION.  All
Moderates and Conservatives are looking for something better for themselves
and care nothing about the welfare of the nation as a whole.”

OK, NOW I understand where you are, although I would suggest that you’d
probably get a lot more mileage by just calling them the Elitist Party. All these
bullshit monikers of “Conservative” or “Moderate”, Left or Right; it’s all smoke
and mirrors. Either these candidates embrace the Constitution ....... or they
don’t.

At present, both major parties are practicing the legislative strategies of the
early Republican party; that being that the representatives automatically
assume that their constituents don’t have a clue about how government works
so they might as well be treated as slugs and be left in the dark. The “early”
Democratic party, on the other hand, embraced the notion that representatives
not march off and start voting for things that their constituency didn’t
themselves understand. So, in a sense, the “earlier” definition of the
Democratic Party would have been a self-limitation on the transfer of power
away from the people. But those “banking interests” kept creeping into the
picture.

Instead, not only did the Republican Party abandon its constituency by taking
unfair advantage of its superior position above the lowly peons, it then took
the Democratic Party by the hand so that they both abandoned their
constituencies.

It should be REALLY and PAINFULLY clear to all by now that any candidates who
DO NOT totally embrace the Constitution AND state Sovereignty Rights should
be considered part of the problem, if not candidates for prison terms. Any
candidate who chooses NOT to support investigating 9/11, reinstating Posse
Comitatus, repealing the Patriot Act, shutting down the Federal Reserve and
enforcing our own EXISTING border policies; these people should be tarred and
feathered ...... if not tried for treason.

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BR549, July 27 at 12:45 am,

Jones calls them the elite, and the elite are the Conservative EXTREMISTS.  All Conservatives are Right-Wing EXTREMISTS whether they sit on the Right or the Left in Congress, and any member of the populace is foolish if they think they are politically Conservative and that the Republicans are helping to make the country better for the populace.  Also, all members of Congress saying they are Moderate,  lean Conservative, as there is actually NO MODERATE POSITION.  All Moderates and Conservatives are looking for something better for themselves and care nothing about the welfare of the nation as a whole.

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What we are witnessing here is the sheer madness of American politics.

Obama said that 95% of the taxpayers will not see a tax increase.  Yesterday, on C-Spoon, a man from some tax intitute said that taxes will increase for married couples.  And all the interest on mortgage payments will no longer be included.

Reminds me of the Dukakis years in MA when no fault insurance was going to reduce everyone’s rates on auto insurance.  When the first bills came out, many could not afford to insure their cars. 

The insurance companies did an about face.  Then, they would announce that rates went down.  Yet, mysterilously the Payment Due at the bottom of the bill went up.  How do you figger that?

In the next generations, we are all going to pay through the nose.  No more retirement, no more Social Security, and reduced Medicare.


We have to pay off the gambling debts of the lucky few.

The only happy ones will be the government dudes singing zippety-doo-dah every day on their way to work.

Are you ready for this?  The Tea Party candidates, if elected, will become just a bunch of back-benchers.  They don’t have any real agenda that makes any sense.  They just want to feather their nests.  They are the Teat Party, Nikki Haley, Sharon Angle, etc.

Look at the issue of the gays in the military.  Are you gay?  Are you in the military?

Look at abortion rights.  Are you a woman?  Are you pregnant and want an abortion?

Well, look around you.  This is the high point for most working stiffs.  It’ll all be gone sooner or later.  It’s all down hill from hill.  No matter who’s elected.

BTW: Why hasn’t the religious right said anything about BP’s destruction of the Gulf Coast?  Is that out of the realm of their God’s power?  Remember Katrina?

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By BR549, July 26, 2010 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

Martha,

The link you provided was Lawrence Baker’s contribution from a YouTube clip
of Alex Jones. Please show me the minute mark where Alex said that this CAFR
issue only dealt with Right Wing Conservative Republicans. That wasn’t what
Alex was referring to at all.

Quite to the contrary, he cites Oct. 18, 2000 as when the United Nations was
allowed to start owning our National Parks and Monuments, under a
Democratically controlled Senate under Bill Clinton. (At one point, Alex
explained, for those of you who haven’t yet seen this mind-numbing 2:00
masterpiece, that when the U.N. was set up on U.S. soil in 1945, it was to
initiate a set of international laws that wouldn’t be encumbered by the
Constitution or the Bill of Rights.)

At the 1:28 mark, Alex talks about the phony fights between the Republicans
and Democrats.

If I’m “foolish” Martha, as you would have liked to portray me, I’d have to say
that you were stubborn and, worse yet, naive. Look, we’re only trying to
connect a lot of dots here for people to see the much larger picture, and
everyone is catching on, slowly but surely ..... well, most people.

I voted for Obama (although I had wanted to vote for Paul) and I now realize
that Obama should have run on the same ticket with McCain.

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BR549, July 26 at 8:55 pm,

You are being foolish.  The populace is the Left.  Listen to what Alex Jones has to say about what the Conservative Right is doing to our country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFG9CW2RNkA&feature=related

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Re:  MarthaA, July 26 at 4:24 pm

“The Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican Movement will put out
whatever malarky members of the populace will believe, that will cause the
populace to be foolish enough to give up the only retirement they have, so that
the populace will not have any kind of retirement or health care at all.”

==========================

The Right Wing is only pushing the same level of crap as the Left Wing. They
are the SAME PARTY. As Jesse Ventura so aptly put it when he described the
false animosity among wrestlers, “It’s all for show. It’s only a game, and we all
go out and have a beer afterward.”

It’s like the Right Wing has ordered the filet Mignon and the Left Wing opted for
the smorgasbord. The first one feeds one person, the second may feed several,
but they both cost the same exorbitant amount and the budget only had room
for a couple of Happy Meals.

Let’s reword your quote to read as follows:
“The Left-Wing Liberal EXTREMIST Democratic Movement will put out whatever
malarky members of the populace will believe, that will cause the populace to
be foolish enough to pay even more into retirement, so that the populace will
not have any kind of retirement or health care at all after it realizes it got
legislatively hosed by the phony Trojan Horse of a health care bill.”

It’s just a flip side of the same coin .... and that coin was stolen from the
American people. As far as retirement and health care, what good are they if
the value of the dollar is headed into the toilet, Obama’s Health Care Bill is
going to tax the living shit out of everyone, and Obama is going to try to push
Social Security to age 70? The health care bill does next to nothing to address
the litigious atmosphere around medical care, physicians having to pay
ridiculous sums to insurance companies, the corruption around vaccine
liability, Monsanto’s destructive influence on our food supply, Rosa Delauro
trying to outlaw backyard gardens, and Russ Feingold having the Feds seize
every farmers watering hole as federal property. ALL OF THIS sooner or later
adds to the cost of health care and more so to those in society who actually
have to pay for it, which does not include the legislators who designed the bill
not to include THEM.

I just can’t see this as anything but a progressive version of the same political
malarky you’re trying to avoid from the right. A bit of imagery over here, make
a little smoke over there, and by the way, don’t pay any attention to the man
behind the curtain.

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By MarthaA, July 26, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

The Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican Movement will put out whatever malarky members of the populace will believe, that will cause the populace to be foolish enough to give up the only retirement they have, so that the populace will not have any kind of retirement or health care at all.

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By MarthaA, July 26, 2010 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

The Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican Movement will put out whatever malarky members of the populace will believe, that will cause the populace to be foolish enough to give up the only retirement they have, so that the populace will not have any kind of retirement or health care at all when they are old.

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By BR549, July 23 at 6:47 pm #

Garth stated:
“One trait about these people I’ve noticed is that they just about tell you what they
are going to do to you before they do it.”

BR549 comments,

“I think they do this in many ways; one of them being through suggestions made to Hollywood producers. If they have to rely on gauging public response through the subtle introduction of these different facets, I think that only shows just how fragile their strategy is.

The whole point is that these people are so disconnected from the human race that they’ll be lighting the matches to very stakes they’ll tie themselves to. It’s quite pathetic, really. “

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Thanks for your expansion on this ploy.  I noticed it before with war stories, spy intrigues and terrorism action films. 

You were absolutely right also about the Command Presence of Obama.  There are several very helpful links on Command Presence that spell out exactly what you meant.

One interesting media ploy now was the appearance of one, Rick Santelli, on Meet the Press yesterday.  He said in support of the Tea Party that the reason they are being labelled as racists is that they are for fiscal responsibility, especially in entitlements (read Social Security and Medicare).

He continued, “All these entitlement programs mainly benefit the minorities.”  Therefore, the reaction to the Tea Party is really about spending for the Blacks and Hispanics.

He’s saying that most of the elderly and disabled on Social Security and those over 65 years of age on Medicare are minorities.

(I wonder if Clell Bumfucerk down East Overshoe way in Alabama who worked all his life for the tobaccy firms turned to his beloved Lucinda and said, “Did he just call me a Nigger?”

A strange twist from just a few years ago.  Then, the argument was that Social Security and Medicare were racist programs because most blacks (their chosen minority then) died before they could start benefitting from these programs.  Strange indeed!

E. (Is it Elmer?) J. Dionne must’ve have just had another mouthful of hot potatoes because he sat mute and let the lie be told unanswered.

This kind of crap is not Kabuki theater.  I wouldn’t raise it to that level.  This sock puppet burlesque with an underlying sadism.

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By BR549, July 25, 2010 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

Thomas,

Every once in a while someone comes up with a line that has someone else rolling
on the floor. Well, your “web footed bog trotters” had me incapacitated there for a
while. That’s a keeper. Thanks.  :o)

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By ThomasG, July 25, 2010 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

From George H.W. Bush’s perspective, he wasn’t worried about it and from Henry David Thoreau’s perspective “sleepers” are unaware that a problem even exists.  In “The Works of Henry David Thoreau”, Henry David Thoreau could not wake up John Farmer, perhaps we can do better with John Populace.

The American Populace, even in our time, have a majority of wading, web-footed, bog-trotters that are intent upon using only their bog hoe to till their land and be content with being “sleepers”.

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By BR549, July 24, 2010 at 4:55 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, July 23 at 10:33 pm

That line in The Matrix, where Morpheus responds to Neo’s statement, Neo
having taken the Red Pill, that he couldn’t go back, Morpheus says back, “No,
but if you could, would you really want to?”

So many people TRUST that their decisions in political candidates have been for
people who somehow have some Christlike aura of magnanimity and who only
wish to be stewards over the rest of humanity (excuse me while I vomit).
Politicians are four steps lower on the evolutionary ladder than cockroaches,
lawyers and used car salesmen, and hopefully, if enough people wake the F—K
up in time, we might actually have a chance to minimize the upheaval that is
poised on humanity’s horizon.

Unfortunately, Martha, I agree with you. Too many of these people are still
lining up in droves to take their Blue Pills, and the worst part is that they will
vehemently argue with you that they have a right to exercise their right to vote.
It’s like giving three year olds the right to self determination and, left up to
them, they’d collectively decide they all want to play on the freeway.

Well, Darwin will eventually win out here and if these people can’t wake up out
of their collective stupor in time, the streets are going to be rather bumpy with
all the bodies of the unconscious as the politicians and the Rothschilds mow
them over with their Bentleys.

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By MarthaA, July 23, 2010 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

hidflect, July 23 at 7:12 pm,

True, they do say what they are doing in one way or the other, usually with tropes, as laws are legislated against the populace and the populace are kept busy so that they fail to understand, as they are too tired making a living to know what’s going on, much less understand, which sets the populace up as fools, and because the populace are made into fools through corporate led legislated law and order, the Right-Wing Conservative Republicans and their Conservative DLC toadies in the Democratic Party are of the opinion that there is nothing wrong in taking advantage of fools, as the “we the people” the Conservative Republicans talk about is not the American Populace and the Right and their DLC toadies are of the opinion that all the populace who think they are equivalent to the Right-Wing Conservatives are fools and deserve what they get.

After Bill Moyers retired, the new PBS political show is called, “Need to Know”, which suits the corporate Right-Wing, because the populace has always been on a “need to know” basis, the populace only “needs to know” what the Right-Wing wants them to know, otherwise there is not a “need to know”.

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By hidflect, July 23, 2010 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

“One trait about these people I’ve noticed is that they just about tell you what they are going to do to you before they do it. “

This is the first rule of the Elite. They are required by their (twisted) moral code to tell you what they will do. Usually in a cryptic or non-apparent manner. That way, when they rip off everything you have and walk away, they can turn around and say with a self-serving sense of moral justice, “Well, you were warned. The choice was yours!”

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By BR549, July 23, 2010 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

Garth stated:
“One trait about these people I’ve noticed is that they just about tell you what they
are going to do to you before they do it.”

I think they do this in many ways; one of them being through suggestions made to
Hollywood producers. If they have to rely on gauging public response through the
subtle introduction of these different facets, I think that only shows just how
fragile their strategy is.

The whole point is that these people are so disconnected from the human race
that they’ll be lighting the matches to very stakes they’ll tie themselves to. It’s
quite pathetic, really.

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By garth, July 23, 2010 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

One more item to add to the financial crime of the century is the serious miscalculation on their part.

They intended to have Social Security privatized in 2005 so that by the time bottom was pulled out in 2008, they’d get all that money, Trillions, and those with the new privatized accounts would wind up still owing the bankers.  It’s a strange deal, they buy Social Security Accounts with credit and then shift the debt to the poor slob with the privatized account.

The miscalculation was that they were relying on George W. Bush.  Somehow, they got it in their genetically limited brains that George W. was a super-salesman. 

I can only guess that that idea came from George’s boasting about his short-lived career, or should I say misadventure, as an airline food salesman.

This time around, they hired an equally challenged buffoon, Alan Simpson, and teamed him up with Erskine Bowles who receives $300,000 a year working for a Wall Street investment bank.  I guess they are pissed.  Not George W.  At us.

They consider it their money now.

One trait about these people I’ve noticed is that they just about tell you what they are going to do to you before they do it.  I don’t know what’s behind that behaviour, but that is what they do.

Michael Dowd, the Republican Party man, said on a Sunday show a few months ago that the Republicans will take control of Congress, but they will misread their election as a mandate and go too far.

That step too far is Social Security, whether it’s raising the age to 70, cutting benefits or both, the Wall Street bankers have made up their minds and they want that money come hell or high water.

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By ThomasG, July 23, 2010 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

Why would the American Populace, the 70% Majority Common Population of the United States,  expect that any meaningful political change affecting their best interest, when the American Populace are not represented by a political party in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order in the United States???????

The American Aristocracy is politically represented by the Republican Party; the Professional Middle Class is politically represented by the Democratic Party; and the American Populace is all full up on subjective life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness with freedom and justice for all; so they are not sufficiently aware to decry “legislation without representation” that excludes the American Populace from political party representation of the American Populace’s best interest in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order in the United States.

When will the American Populace arise from their slumber and not allow the American Populace to be led by the American Aristocracy and the Professional Middle Class as “Sleepers” against their best interest, to accept “legislation without representation”, the absence of representative participation in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order by a political party representative of the American Populace as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness with freedom and justice for all???????

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By garth, July 23, 2010 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

(1) Repeal of Glass-Steagal, which melded investment banks with Commercial banks and gave the bankers access to depositor’s funds;

(2) Commodity Futures Trading Act gave the bankers the unregulated right to gamble with depositor’s money;  (Hence the Credit Default Swaps.)

(3) Classifying the bonds from the housing mortages as AAA so that pension funds could invest in them.

All this seems to be too good to be true. What luck!  Everything turned out just right for the free marketeers, didn’t it?

In reality, for the Wall Street insider, it went just as planned. These guys are not your typical bank robbers.  They have had years to concoct these heists.

It’s their perfect storm.  Only this one is not by natural forces.  It was concocted by the brainiacs of Wall Street and their finance staff with PhDs in statistics and economics from MIT, Harvard, Yale, Columbia, and you get the picture. 

All the necessary legal moves were put in place and the resulting calamity occurred.  What a surprise!

Ladies and gentlemen, we are in their bailiwick.

Don’t forget the rich make money from inflation and from deflation. 

That’s what the rich do.  They make money.

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By samosamo, July 22, 2010 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment

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br549,

““If anyone is guilty of a conspiracy, it should at least start with
Bush41, Clinton, Bush the Idiot, and then Obama. Racketeering
charges maybe.”“

I rather think that joseph coors, yep of good old coors beer
fame, chipped in the first $250,000 bucks to start the heritage
foundation which was kinda of the beginning of the right wing
think tanks that began structuring policies possible as early in
nixon’s time and for sure going into reagan’s time. I can’t
explain it but several other of the conservative think tanks
popped up about that time. Culminating, in my opinion with the
‘project for the new american century’ in the late 90s I believe.
That is where I think the or any conspiracy began but check this
out even if it is from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation

and if you haven’t seen this, google ‘Orwell Rolls in His Grave’
which is rather pertinent to any agendas to take power and
especially with the msm.

If you are up on all this just ignore this comment.

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By BR549, July 22, 2010 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

Samosamo,

Thanks for mentioning Glass-Stegall. It just slipped my mind. G/S was yet one
more of the footballs that Clinton passed off to Bush the Lesser. If anyone is guilty
of a conspiracy, it should at least start with Bush41, Clinton, Bush the Idiot, and
then Obama. Racketeering charges maybe.

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By garth, July 22, 2010 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

Bill Clinton George W. Bush and Barack Obama are no longer the problem for Americans who believe in the Democratic system.  I want to interject here that Democratic ideals do not always coincide with capitalist’s pipe dreams.  We live, whether you like it or not, in the real world. 

Clinton, Bush and Obama served their purpose.  They were cover.  The takeover has becime real.

We are here.  And this is just like the Depression of 1929. 

My father told me about it.  Most people were working.  About 25% were out of work.  Look around and gauge who’s for what.

The major difference is that after 70 years of preparation, the non-party contibutors have usurped our one-man, one-vote system and replaced it with media attention to personalities.

Let’s face it, Bill Clinton, as intelligent as he may be, is a loud-mouth, nothing more, nothing less.  Obama is just a black guy who happened to be brought super-stardom with the help of the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Family.

George W. Bush needs no comment.

I just saw what looked like the voice and the persona of the future, Marjora Carter.

Green is the new black.  We were there years ago, but the oil and energy interests kept us from realizing it.

Marjora talked briefly about her inner-capitalist, but if she’s serious, she ought to re-think that idea.

Democracy and an informed populace is the answer.

With honest elections of course.

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By BR549, July 22 at 7:18 am

I agree that slick willie’s signing the nafta treaty was drop kick to
the american worker’s head. Jobs were already leaking out of
america, jobs that provided food, clothing, shelter and education,
but look at u.s. now.

What I haven’t seen in your commentary with ‘johncp’ is mention of
clinton’s signing the bill into law that gutted the Glass-Steagall Act
of 1932 that was supposedly and did regulate things to prevent
another depression or deep recessions. That was the coup de
grace from slick willies terms or his out going present to the
middle class.

Google ‘glass-steagall and bill clinton and see how great of a
leader the hill billy president was and that was he was no friend of
the american people considering he also signed the FCC Act of
1996 which opened up the door for monopoly or duopoly holdings
of the msm. Coupled with ronald mc-reagan’s discontinuance of
the ‘fairness doctrine’ which took away the opposing views of the
‘other side’, for me, with these 3 clinton actions, puts all those
presidents in the same one party system that is working is ‘magic’
today all of them traitors to the constitution and the people who
voted for them.

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By BR549, July 22, 2010 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

Johncp,

I have no more disdain for Clinton than I do for any of the presidents that that
have knowingly contributed to the problem. The more they have ignored solving
the problem, the more disdain I have. Prior to 1980, this whole REX84 thru DHS
threat was a pipe dream at best, although many espousing “1984”-ish type
practices must now be getting giggly.

No, some people like yourself seem to portray Clinton as this magnanimous
political contribution to our society. On the contrary, he’s as guilty as the rest.

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By johncp, July 21, 2010 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

BR549
I don’t forsee that anything I say will change your mindset.  I’m not in disagreement with much of what you say, but can’t fail to see the extent to which you despise Clinton.  It’s this, and not his votes and policies and politics that motivate the bitter and hateful tone you seem to reserve for Clinton alone.  For the last time, if you win the presidency in this country, it’s, at least in very large part, because you’ve made a deal with the rich folk.  I’m not surprised by any of this, and neither should you be.  But somehow, Clinton get’s especially, I believe, unjustifiably battered in all this.  This is what you’re trying to sell here, as are so many others.  That we should reserve some special contempt for
Clinton, is hogwash.  There are others that list Clinton’s postive achievements, as anxiously as you list his negatives.

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By BR549, July 18, 2010 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

Re:  johncp, July 18 at 1:41 am
“Nonsense.  Everyone that looks at the NAFTA situation, interprets it
differently.”

Huh? Do you mean that after all these years, you still haven’t figured out the
level of complicity between the parties? Bush41 may given the initial handshake
between the respective country heads, but it was CLINTON who could have
refused to endorse it, but instead embraced it. So it turns out that Perot was
right all along. Subsequent candidates like Gravel, Nader, Kucinich, Barr,
McKinley, yada-yada, all opposed NAFTA and were systematically handed their
walking papers by the media. Nowhere was that more evident than in the
candidate placement of the “chosen ones” on center stage and by putting the
problem candidates off to the sidelines. It was all intentional.

This may be a shock to you, but the same forces that were surreptitiously
behind Bush were also behind Clinton AND the control of the media that
refused to acknowledge any dissent that candidates may have had with NAFTA.
Consequently, those dissenters, as much in agreement with Perot as they
might have been, were systematically ignored by the press.

So, Bush the Elder couldn’t muscle NAFTA through in time and Clinton
massages it through for him, without any contest, I might add. Clinton opens
the opens the door for illegal wire taps; Bush the Idiot makes it an everyday
occurrence. Clinton signs a new US Paraguayan extradition Treaty, which of
course excludes crimes of a political or military nature, only to have Bush the
Idiot purchase a 99,000+ acre site in Paraguay. Here’s a few things to chomp
on.

http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v76/__show_article/_a000076-
000170.htm

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/28/2544/07385

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/general/bush_family_paraguay_hideaway_up.html

Clinton is in this so deep he needs a goddamn bathysphere, but go ahead; put
your jammies on and sleep tight. Everything will be just fine.

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By MarthaA, July 18, 2010 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

johncp, July 18 at 1:41 am,

You’re right DLC, Republican-Lite, Republican led Dems have no guts and pant along after the Republicans, but did you watch Meet The Press with David Gregory this morning, if not, you should catch a repeat, because the Dems were not cooperating with the Republicans this morning and it is the first time in a long time.  The “we” the Republicans always say is NEVER the populace or any part of the Middle Class, as the Republicans use “we the people” as a trope to fool the populace, as politics is representation of your constituents in their best interest and representation of your non-constituents against their best interest—the populace and middle class are NOT constituents of the Republican Party which IS the GOP, the base of the Republican Party.

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By johncp, July 17, 2010 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

Nonsense.  Everyone that looks at the NAFTA situation, interprets it differently.  A lot of people, even many so-called democrats, actually believed that Clinton was the original signer.  That was perfect for the right-wingers.  Whether true or not, their favorite whipping boy could be saddled with one more inexcusable sin.  But now that increasingly larger numbers are learning that Bush actually signed up for NAFTA first, the haters had to come up with something that would continue the crucifixion.  Simple!  Clinton actually nailed it down.  NAFTA wouldn’t fly without Clinton.  What a load of crap.  In fact, Bush first, and later, Clinton, were doing as they were told.  As if you didn’t know.  But because there are so many soft headed and gullible dems out there, anxious to get along, they continued to accept the corrosive, bullshit about Clinton.

I’m not protecting Clinton.  He doesn’t need protecting.  Obama is the one that needs protecting, but he won’t get it from me, after all, he’s, in effect, just Bush2.  The republicans have now gotten into the habit of describing Obama as a Socialist.  This reminds me of a time, before the W election, when I heard a republican describe Bush as a “liberal.”  This republican was addressing a few democrats, with the intent of pulling the wool over their eyes, and I had the uncomfortable feeling that a couple of these dems were so troubled by the Bush threat, that they were inclined, actually desperate, to believe what they were being told.  That’s why I’ve left the dem party.  Dems have no guts.

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By BR549, July 17, 2010 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

Re:  johncp, July 17 at 3:01 am

Clinton signed NAFTA into law on December 8, 1993. That was because Bush
wasn’t able to ram it down everyone’s throat and take full credit for it during HIS
term. Clinton’s participation in NAFTA was just as insidious as Bush’s. Since It had
been primarily a partisan issue under Bush’s term, when it was then pushed under
Clinton, it brought enough Democrats out of the woodwork to then make it
happen; otherwise, I doubt it would have even passed by itself under Bush.

Clinton’s own language during his push for NAFTA was enough to implicate him,
so go ahead and protect him. It doesn’t change anything. He’s still and will have
always been a part of the problem in Washington.

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By johncp, July 16, 2010 at 11:01 pm Link to this comment

How amusing, that in this Scheer piece, among 50 or so posts in response, there is the obligatory anti-Clinton post.  Now that people have been hearing that it was papa Bush that was responsible for signing NAFTA into law, it’s necessary for the Clinton haters to assure us that Clinton is still in some way responsible for its outcome.  Theree isn’t a single refrain that is heard more often in these posts, than that it’s that Wall Street, the “fat cats,” etc., that are in control, and call the shots.  But not in Clinton’s case, apparently.  Bush had already signed NAFTA into reality, because that’s what the fat cats want, right.  And we all know that the fat cats get what they want, so why does this poster gripe about Clinton’s having not put a stop to NAFTA?  Get back to blow-jobs and other adolescent garbage in your efforts to diminish Clinton.

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By Russell Smith, July 13 at 1:07 pm
“”“Also, we have enough ammo to obliterate the GOP in
November, but the economy has to show MORE signs of
improving! We’ve got to create jobs. Solar panels are the way to
go and garden rooftops. These will create millions of GREEN
jobs.”“”
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As tantalizing as what you say is, the democrat side of the
bluedogs from president on down will have to be replaced by
reliable democrats, if there were a such thing, but any elected or
employed government person to do what is job calls for from
the constitution to departmental policies.

Requirements for doing it would be to tear down completely the
current structure of the msm and rebuilt it so that all people get
access to real news that so far as I can determine can only be
done by the internet or of reading books by reputable authors
and some other sources.

Next would HAVE to be the enforcement of the ongoing criminal
bribery of elected officials and government employees by
LOBBYISTS which makes a criminal out of both, the payers and
the payees. And that is just for starters, there is much much
more to ‘fix’ in this country that will be strenuously objected to
by the elite who have a ‘seemingly’ impossible to break hold on
everything to do with this country and the world.

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By garth, July 13, 2010 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

By Jerome R. Corsi

Enough said.

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By Russell Smith, July 13, 2010 at 9:07 am Link to this comment
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Geithner has been a disaster from day 1! Who floated his name as Secretary of Treasury? Or did he call O himself and offer his services? He should never been appointed. A better man would be the disgraced ex-Governor of New York, who
as a state prosecutor was ready to pull the plug on AIG before the big meltdown.
That’s right! I’m talking about Mr. Call-girls, Eliot Spitzer! He’s a great mind, a
hard worker, who cares if he’s a bit marginalized? How many Senators and
Honorable Reps of the House are picking up the phone every weekend, while
wifey/or hubby is back in Constituentsville? The sexual peccadilloes of Congress
pale poor Spitzer’s mishaps. Spitzer for Treasury! Is anybody confused on where I
stand on this issue? Also, we have enough ammo to obliterate the GOP in
November, but the economy has to show MORE signs of improving! We’ve got to
create jobs. Solar panels are the way to go and garden rooftops. These will create
millions of GREEN jobs.

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By call me roy, July 11, 2010 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

Internet giant Google today was hushing up the new dispute over President Obama’s strange Social Security number by diverting searches for news reports on the issue to unrelated stories about Elena Kagan, oil, Tampa and the Federal Reserve.
The actual story, explained how two private investigators – working independently – are asking why Obama is using a Social Security number set aside for applicants in Connecticut while there is no record he ever had a mailing address in the state.
Under a Google news search for “President Obama Social Security number,” the top four results all quoted, “By Jerome R. Corsi Two private investigators working independently are asking why President Obama is using a Social Security number set aside for applicants…”
However, the first link is to Politico’s story about “Gay rights central to Elena Kagan fight,” the second links to Politico’s “Senate clears measure to audit Federal Reserve” story, the third links to a Politico story about the GOP plans for a convention in Tampa in 2012, and the last links to a Politico story about “Oil executives play pass the buck.”
Google spokesman Jake Hubert told WND that it appeared to be a “bug in the snippets.”
He said the company was looking into it.

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By call me roy, July 11, 2010 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

I am my college professor’s favorite pupil. He calls himself a “philosophical progressive” (whatever that means) and he tells wonderful stories about Mao Zedong and how deeply spirtual it is to become a Progressive. He told us not to pay any attention to those horrible rumors that the Conservatives preach to us about Brother Mao’s murder of 60 million. I know it’s a lie, that’s what a girl on Facebook said. After all, President Obama had a Mao ornamate hanging fron the White House Christmas tree, right on cool. After learning all of these new political ideas, I went out and got the latest Che Guevara t-shirt. It is so rad. My professor went to Harvard like Obama did so I know he loves Che too. My professor said Hollywood helped to revive another leftist martyr but my uncle (who was in the Army) said Hollywood has dutifully churned out yet another cinematic agitprop paean and that I should read to try to discern why many supposedly democratic, civil libertarian liberals still swoon over this Stalinist mass-murderer. What ever that means, later dude.

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By MarthaA, July 11, 2010 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

The Conservative Wall Streeters are definitely not the American Populace’s Base.  We must learn the difference between Conservatism and Liberal innovation and the American Populace need to learn that they are not Conservatives and this essay by Ralph Waldo Emerson called “The Conservative” should make it clear:
http://www.emersoncentral.com/conservative.htm

“The two parties which divide the state, the party of Conservatism and that of Innovation, are very old, and have disputed the possession of the world ever since it was made. This quarrel is the subject of civil history. The conservative party established the reverend hierarchies and monarchies of the most ancient world. The battle of patrician and plebeian, of parent state and colony, of old usage and accommodation to new facts, of the rich and the poor, reappears in all countries and times. The war rages not only in battle-fields, in national councils, and ecclesiastical synods, but agitates every man’s bosom with opposing advantages every hour. On rolls the old world meantime, and now one, now the other gets the day, and still the fight renews itself as if for the first time, under new names and hot personalities.”

“It is the primal antagonism, the appearance in trifles of the two poles of nature.”

“There is always a certain meanness in the argument of conservatism, joined with a certain superiority in its fact. It affirms because it holds. Its fingers clutch the fact, and it will not open its eyes to see a better fact. The castle, which conservatism is set to defend, is the actual state of things, good and bad. The project of innovation is the best possible state of things. Of course, conservatism always has the worst of the argument, is always apologizing, pleading a necessity, pleading that to change would be to deteriorate; it must saddle itself with the mountainous load of the violence and vice of society, must deny the possibility of good, deny ideas, and suspect and stone the prophet; whilst innovation is always in the right, triumphant, attacking, and sure of final success. Conservatism stands on man’s confessed limitations; reform on his indisputable infinitude; conservatism on circumstance; liberalism on power; one goes to make an adroit member of the social frame; the other to postpone all things to the man himself; conservatism is debonnair and social; reform is individual and imperious. We are reformers in spring and summer; in autumn and winter, we stand by the old; reformers in the morning, conservers at night. Reform is affirmative, conservatism negative; conservatism goes for comfort, reform for truth. Conservatism is more candid to behold another’s worth; reform more disposed to maintain and increase its own. Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory. Reform has no gratitude, no prudence, no husbandry. It makes a great difference to your figure and to your thought, whether your foot is advancing or receding. Conservatism never puts the foot forward; in the hour when it does that, it is not establishment, but reform. Conservatism tends to universal seeming and treachery, believes in a negative fate; believes that men’s temper governs them; that for me, it avails not to trust in principles; they will fail me; I must bend a little; it distrusts nature; it thinks there is a general law without a particular application, — law for all that does not include any one. Reform in its antagonism inclines to asinine resistance, to kick with hoofs; it runs to egotism and bloated self-conceit; it runs to a bodiless pretension, to unnatural refining and elevation, which ends in hypocrisy and sensual reaction.”

“And so whilst we do not go beyond general statements, it may be safely affirmed of these two metaphysical antagonists, that each is a good half, but an impossible whole.”
http://www.emersoncentral.com/conservative.htm

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By BR549, July 10, 2010 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

Re:  JDmysticDJ, July 10 at 6:27 pm

“Obama has called the Wall Streeters “Fat cats,” George W. Bush called them
“My base.”

As Bush has referred to Wall Streeters as his base, those opposed would have shifted to the left in the erroneous belief that their votes would have been able to “change” the system. Indeed, Obama’s Hope and Change drivel was all about supporting that shift in public opinion. The problem was that I had noticed early on that Obama had no intention of pinning himself down to commenting on NAFTA and CAFTA. And that’s when I had smelled a skunk.

So it really doesn’t make any difference which party we are talking about here because they are all working toward the same end. Whether Republican or Democrat, no one wants to discuss why so many tax dollars are being spent on detention facilities, monies that had been misdirected through the contorted
siphon of COG, REX84 Alpha, FEMA, and Homeland Security stretching back 30 years now. They’re all complicit in this; every stinking one of those stinking rat-bastards that knows about the 500,000 coffin liners stored in CDC subcontracted lots, to the converted former community colleges and municipal buildings with two rows of inward facing razor wire and a skeleton staff. All this makes one ask the question, who among our legislature remembers the oath they’d once taken?

Equating Obama to Hitler was absurd; Bush, maybe, but Obama would be
better compared with Lenin or Marx. The only problem he has is that pesky
Constitution. I don’t think we can accurately portray either one of them as any
single historical figure since, if I were now trying to confuse the voting
lemming populace, I’d blur the lines of recognition so that no one would know
that the path to the chow hall had been changed to the entrance of a gas
chamber.

It all comes down to the Constitution, and if they can’t support the basic tenets
of that document, we’re in for a free-for-all sometime in the near future, sorry
to say.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 10, 2010 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

BR549

Thanks for reinforcing mine, and Chomsky’s, ongoing comments about the danger of Weimar like conditions in our current political environment. I have two questions for you. Which side of the isle do you believe presents the greatest danger in this scenario? Why were the Weimar Socialists and the German Left unable to prevent the rise to power of the Nazis?

I’ll submit that there are, of course, many historical factors that have been debated and commented on by historians in great detail regarding this historical reality. I’ll suggest that the over-riding factor was that the German Left and the Weimar Socialists were unable to put together a united front against the Nazis. Due to the reparations requirements of the Versailles Treaty after the First World War, the world wide depression, and factionalism within the Weimar Government, the Weimar Government was unable to overcome economic difficulties. The unpopularity of the Weimar Government was enhanced by criticisms from the German Left, and this unpopularity facilitated the Nazi rise to power.

An inconvenient truth for Socialists is that many Socialists aligned themselves with the Nazis, much to their later regret. The” Night of the Long Knives,” illustrates this fact of German history. I’ll foresee an argument, from those who demonstrate a paranoid lack of political acuity, stating that people from the left who support Obama and the Democrats are making the same mistake as these errant socialists from that period of history, but I’ll suggest that only Glenn Beck, the Tea Partiers and their ilk, and some radicals from the left would make this argument. Making this argument requires an idiotic quantum leap which equates Obama with Hitler. Using an example from history, I’ll state my belief that Obama is making a mistake similar to that made by Kerensky’s Liberals and the Mensheviks when they decided to continue the Russian participation in the First World War. A more recent example would be Lyndon Johnson and the Democrats supporting, with nearly absolute Republican approval, the escalation of the Viet Nam War. 

These examples from history had tragic consequences, but those who try to equate Obama with Hitler, from the left or right, are nuts. Clearly people from the right and our corporate masters don’t see Obama as an ally, they see him as being a threat from the left, and they are actively supporting rightist ideology and politicians from the right. Some say that Obama and the Democrats are merely shills, and agents for the secret cabal that actually rules this nation. Sorry, I don’t mean to interrupt, but I must say, thank you very much, we’ll get back to you, next please!

Obama has advanced policies that benefit corporatists, but that is not because he is controlled by corporatists; it is because he is a centrist politician in a corporatist society. Obama has called the Wall Streeters “Fat cats,” George W. Bush called them “My base.”

The above examples from history are in no way meant to be a direct correlation between then and now, but the basics are the same. A divided, and non-unified left, will most definitely provide a powerful advantage to the unified, anti-left, dogmatic right, and will eliminate even the remotest possibility of advancing the progressive agenda. We can expect roll - backs of the progressive agenda, if the right rises to a position of political dominance again.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. I’m sure that many from the left will want to “lop off my head,” as they advocate a continuance of the - admittedly hyperbolic, somewhat sarcastic metaphorical - “Reign of Terror,” as they unintentionally accelerate to “quick time,” the current “March of Folly.”

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By garth, July 10, 2010 at 8:45 am Link to this comment

Obama shows a lack of “Presence.”

In his meeting with Netanyahu the other day, Benjamin the Israelite said, “The bond between Israel and the US is unbreakable.”  Then he turned to Obama who echoed, “The bond between the US and Israel is unbreakable.

Obama’s buddy, Deval Patrick, Governor of MA, was in an interview and his earpiece was not working.  Instead of stopping the interview he continued to fumble with the earpiece, looking like a fumbling fool.  I wonder, is Deval short for Devalued. 

Charlie Baker the wonder boy of the right is leaving the room.  A sure sign that his adversary is committing suicide.

Martin Amis told about a Harvard ethologist who studied wasps, the real wasps, and he concluded that male wasps have no behavior.

Now these bozos, Obama, Patrick, and all the rest seem to be showing the same phenomenon.  They have no behavior.

I wouldn’t have been surprised if Netanyahu, risking reprisals from the Politiacally Correct, reached across the room to rub Obama’s head for good luck.  After all, these political symbols that we’ve elected show no real political behavior that is believable.

Now, one of the real and lasting problems is that we are saddled with a Supreme Court that acts like a School Committee in a typically corrupt city.  All you need is enough votes to get a relative a job with the school system.

The latest foray into campaign reform by some members of the House who are advocating that the Government pay for campaigns is just another ploy for the hopelessly hopeful.  They are not going to do anything of the sort.  It’s just a smokescreen. They like things just the way they are.

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By samosamo, July 9, 2010 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

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““There is enormous and justifiable populist outrage out there
over the antics of a runaway Wall Street that is not being held
accountable. Obama could tap into that outrage by taking his
cues from a true populist, Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold of
Wisconsin.”“
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If o is looking to 2012, is will be because his masters have
guaranteed him the white house for his outstanding
performance of continuing w & dick’s catastrophic agendas.
That would mean he isn’t concerned with the populist’s
outrage because he already has the 2012 election sewed up.
So maybe a lot of attention needs to be paid to most probably
another big dose of voter fraud and maybe not all that
undetectable either, those boys and girls of the Department of
Voter Fraud may not care how flagrant their actions will be.

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By dihey, July 9, 2010 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Three: this President in 2012.

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By garth, July 9, 2010 at 6:56 am Link to this comment

From reading the comments on this article, I think it would be safe to assume that after nearly two years in office Obama is running on empty.

He tried to give a rousing speech the other day centered around a variation on the theme of American Exceptionalism.  He made declarations like, “American workers are the most productive.”

Well, he might be right, there, in a sense.  If you break the back of labor unions and lay-off or make disappear 8 million jobs (Here, I must interject that Obama is just a continuation of Bush II.) then I guess all those workers left to carry-on, as it were, are highly productive.

If you consider Bush’s 2000 election as a hijacking of the American Democracy and his 2004 stolen election as any indicator of what’s to come, then Obama has proven to us in the past year and 6 months that he’s the second driver.  He’s another wheel man for the their mob.

The IMF has come out with its recommendations for American austerity.  The majority of the other countries in the G20 are also pushing for the same.

Of course, the austerity measures will focus on Medicare and Social Security, but this time the theme will coalesce around the idea that we are all one people, no more red state blue state mumble-jumble, and we must all give up something.

For most of us, it’s bread and water.  For them, and their “Thing” it’ll be less camera face time.  The message will be keep the ostentation low.

But, all in all, they don’t care a whit because the election process has been depoiled and we are beset with a Gordian knot of woes.

Americans are tired, confused and fearful.  We’re in debt up to our eyeballs and with no relief in sight, we are left with the hope of a right-minded response by a soft leader with hard-ass money up the ying-yang fully behind him.

Where’s the exit?

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By BR549, July 9, 2010 at 6:33 am Link to this comment

Davidson,
After the revolution, we’ll need people like you to put this country back on track.

I recall Reagan having talked about those codewords. He was the one that gave
that last kick to the busload of children teetering on the edge of the cliff and
started the plummet downward. Everyone else, Bush the Elder, Clinton, Bush the
Idiot, and now MonkeyBoy, have just been setting up popcorn concessions as the
big fireworks show plummets its way to the bottom of the canyon.

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By Davidson Loehr, July 9, 2010 at 5:28 am Link to this comment

What if the Plan is Working Perfectly?


Reading news stories about how, despite the best efforts of our leaders, we are at the brink of the worst Depression in the past century, has become surreal.  It feels like those reports from mobsters or CIA officials that the victim—with his hands tied behind him and two shots through the back of his head—had committed suicide.

How are we looking at people like Geithner and Summers—and many more in Obama’s administration—as anomalies because they’re not helping the country out of its rush toward Depression?  Why don’t we instead see what the evidence seems to be saying: the plan is working very well, we just don’t want to acknowledge what that plan IS?

How about looking at it this way:

What has been going on in the U.S. nonstop since 9-11, regardless of who is in the White House, is exactly the same three-part plan with which we have looted and destroyed countries and citizens around the world since at least 1973.  What if the plan is just as it seems to be: transfer as much wealth as possible from the 90% who don’t matter to the few percent who do, while destroying whatever is left of a “middle class,” so we can rush toward the longed-for Two-Class world of the very rich and the disposable rest?  Here are the three steps that have been tried and proven for four decades, and which have been applied—in almost exactly the same way—against our own country:

1.  Invite the well-connected corporations and very wealthy to loot our country’s assets, selling off treasures bought and maintained over the years by taxpayers, for just pennies on the dollar, to these greedy and well-connected buzzards.  The code word for this is “privatization.”

2.  Change the laws to make sure that the looters can’t be prosecuted, either now or in the future.  The code word for this is “deregulation.”

3.  Overload the economy with debts, wars, expenses that are NOT necessary, in order to force the society to remove the social safety nets, labor unions, pensions and all other forms of “social security.”  It is essential that these safety nets be destroyed so that the vast majority of people—who don’t matter—can be rendered so weak, powerless, desperate and frightened that they can more easily be ignored.  The code words are “cuts to social spending.”

It seems that if we’re serious about understanding what’s going on, we should start with the things that are actually being done to us, rather than the sweet anesthesia of thinking everyone in our government is there to serve and empower the 90+% of us who have become—as other leaders put it three generations ago—“useless eaters.”

It seems more parsimonious simply to say that the operations are a success, the patients are dying, and the plan is working perfectly.

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By BR549, July 8, 2010 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment

Roy,

I might be wrong here, but I think you’re missing the point (correct me where
necessary).

Obama has no more love for the Muslim population than he does for the
descendants of the Huguenots. He is using the Muslim and Mexican
populations, just to name two, to drive a wedge in our our own economy.

And as far as Bush; he was but one more cog in the elitist’s plan to maneuver
the wealth of our middle class offshore. Bush41 couldn’t complete NAFTA;
Clinton ever so nicely finished that for him. Clinton tests the public waters with
the wire-tapping, and Bush43 runs the touchdown for him. Under Clinton, the
US/Paraguayan extradition treaty was renegotiated to exclude crimes of
political or military nature, and then soon after Bush43 buys up 99,980 acres of
prime Paraguayan farmland, right over one of South America’s largest
underground aquifers. The residents were furious (See LaPrenza, I forget the
exact date).

To them, the US is just a game of football. There is no Constitution, in their
minds, even Bush had stated that it was just a goddamn piece of paper (See:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml).

Much of the context of our Constitution comes from John Locke from a century
before our founding fathers, but all the presidents since and including Reagan
have treated it like a doormat. I would say that Kennedy was the last true
president we ever had, because, despite his political lineage, he stepped out of
the box and shitcanned Gen. Lemnitzer for Operation Northwoods, put us back
on the silver standard, and had tried to bring the troops home from Viet Nam,
any one of which would have been justification enough to have the guy put
away. Johnson, in my eye, was the first on our modern day political terrorists.
My family was staunchly Republican then, but out of intellectual necessity and
so I could sleep at night, I had to disaffiliate a long time ago.

Pardon my ramblings, but ALL of these characters should be in the pen; each
and every one of them, along with all the corrupt sleazebag representatives and
senators who took an oath and then sold their country down the tubes.

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By christian96, July 8, 2010 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment

Forget politics.  In less than an hour King James
will announce live on ESPN where he will be playing
NBA basketball next year.  This is better than the
Roman Coliseum.  What a country!  The King will be
making millions of dollars for puting a ball in a
basket.  Forget the unemployed.  Which coliseum will
be filled to capacity next year for every game?  We
will know in less that an hour.

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By call me roy, July 8, 2010 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

From the “you can’t make this up” file, President Obama is turning NASA into his Muslim-outreach agency. NASA Administrator Charles Bolden says that NASA’s foremost mission in 2010 is to improve relations with the Muslim world. Pause. Re-read. Pause. Huh? Yes. Re-read again.
He went on to say, “[w]hen I became the NASA administrator — or before I became the NASA administrator — [President Obama] charged me with three things. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering.”
Now, reasonable people can disagree about what NASA should be doing and how much we should spend on a national space program. But come on - are you serious? Now, for my money, I am pro-NASA (when managed correctly) and believe of all the things we can cut from the trillions of dollars we pour down the drain every year, perhaps NASA is worth funding - what with the extent to which our economy and national defense depend on satellites. But that’s ok, the Ruskies and their 11ish spies infiltrating our country can be counted on to hook us up anytime we need to get into space to repair a satellite that won’t quite zoom in on Moscow right? Heck, maybe they’ll “fix” it for us! But I digress. I started off talking about “reasonable” people… sorry. So, at least Obama is keeping the dreams of our youth alive, you know? Instead of following the Kennedy mold of inspiring a nation by putting a man on the moon within a decade, perhaps President Obama can ask Americans to figure out how to avoid “slipping the surly bonds of earth” via the next suicide bomber?
Many in Washington are asking: This mandate from Obama is so stunningly lacking in sensibility it borders on impeachability for being stupid? But don’t blame Administrator Bolden, this is becoming typical for Comrade Obama’s apppointees. They are clueless & incompetent. But they just take orders from the top. No wonder we’re on day 76? in the Gulf - and the oil is still flowing, tens of thousands of barrels every day. Hey environmentalists, Bush would have stopped the spill weeks ago. He would have bombed it, no problem. But I suspect you environmentalists are ok with it. Never let a crisis go to waste: you got deep-water drilling stopped. No new permits in shallow water either. And now we learn the EPA has shut down 1/3 of the refineries in the United States. Economy fragile? Too Damn Bad. Comrade Obama is destroying the system. And our current deficit (1.4 trillion) is 4x that of Bush’s average deficit; and we’re bankrupting our children & grandchildren. For those of you who voted for Obama - what a smart pick. You really put that Ivy league education to good use. No wonder everyone at work is walking around mumbling: Oh my God, he is a muslim.

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By garth, July 8, 2010 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

Hear! Hear! BR549,

I wish I’d written that.

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By BR549, July 8, 2010 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

Garth,
I happen to enjoy your contributions, and have no idea what your political
leanings are, save to say that I doubt you would be here if you thought
everything was warm and fuzzy in Washington.

Any assignment I may have made about “labels” was only to illustrate the blind
obedience that many people have for candidates that use rhetoric to push all
the right voting machine buttons. Ignorance is bliss for far too many people,
but I certainly wasn’t putting you in that category. You sound like one of the
good guys. If I said anything about Progressives or Democrats, it would have
been because those two factions would have been responsible for Obama’s
being elected.

Unfortunately, I wound up voting for Obama (at the last minute I might add), so
I’m pissed at how much voting power the corporate media has stripped from
the voting booth. Gravel, Kucinich, Barr, and Paul all had grave issues with
NAFTA, CAFTA, and the Fed, yet they were driven from the debate stage by
placing them away from the center of action. That was no accident. In doing so,
the US voting public was denied any real vote. Personally, I could see the logic
in having a “None of the Above” option, but any time such an option has come
up, politicians don’t want to give the public a chance to think about the fact
that they might have a negative opinion.

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By rogers, July 8, 2010 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment
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Scheer,
Do you think Hillary should also get the treatment?  She just tried to stir up trouble again.  This time in Georgia while Obama was trying to deal with the spy case.  And she openly backed McCaesar.

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By BR549, July 8 at 2:42 pm #

RE:  garth, July 8 at 1:11 pm
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Seemingly so well informed and so clear in your ideas with your rebuttals, your use of labels such as liberals and progressives leaves me to wonder.  Am I being misinterpreted?

I, for one, have given up the idea of labels.  They are inarticulate.  On another thread, some jamoke accueses me of being a lumpen proletariat and I don’t know that I am a Libertarian.

If you ever get to live in America and actually talk to people, you get a very clear picture that we are not any of these labels.  There are 300 million of us.  It defies labelling.

What I do see is the sad lack of truth and information and a real need for a real surge in Democracratic fervor.

I don’t really care what beliefs people adhere to politically as long as they and I are operating from the same factual basis of truth.

I don’t think lies and strong arm tactics of intimidation will carry the day.

The childish ideas of trust fund babies like those of Evan Thomas of NewsWeek and ‘Firstname?’ Gillespie of Reality.com give a stark reminder that even money fails when its ideas are just a pile of animal shit that one might step over in a walk throught the woods.

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By BR549, July 8, 2010 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

RE:  garth, July 8 at 1:11 pm

“What I like about this particular blog, though, is the picture of Obama
attempting to put on a stern look.  Whom does he think he’s kidding?”

There’s a term used in law enforcement called “Command Presence”. It’s meant
to totally intimidate anyone that, erroneously or otherwise, they feel the need
to control. The fact is though, and one that L/E hopes doesn’t get out, is that
Command Presence is a facade for weak minded individuals who didn’t have
any natural talent to deal with a real problem in the first place.

Obama is using the same ploy here; this commanding look of disapproval for
anyone who dares try to undermine his sick and twisted plan. All the liberals
and progressives, still convinced that Obama is going to save the planet, will
hop in their Volvos and Priuses, stop at Starbucks on the way to work, and then
still wonder why their portfolios are headed into the toilet.

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By BR549, July 8 at 1:31 am #

Thanks for the correction on Stanley Greenberg, husband of Rose DeLauro, Repsentative from Connecticut who wants to make it a felony to grow tomatoes in one’s back yard. 

We’ll become the FFA, Felonious Farmers of America. Three to five.  Growing vegetables.  Confiscated:  House, automobile, savings from suspected illegal gains. 

Who gains?  The appointees to this new law enforcement department be they cousins, nephews, nieces, of some pol or a friend of a pol. God knows who.

I was going to inform the attendees about this bill at a Senior Citizen’s meeting in Cambridge.  I’m sorry I didn’t.  I thought I’d get laughed down because of the mere insanity of it. 

The meeting was to educate Cantabridgians on how to grow vegetables and flowers in their back yard gardens.

Tell me, if Kabloom gets enough pull, can we expect a similar law outlawing flowers?

What I like about this particular blog, though, is the picture of Obama attempting to put on a stern look.  Whom does he think he’s kidding?

It’s like a piece of puff pastry going into the roughest, most lawless section of town and trying to stare down would-be muggers.

It’s all a joke.

Well, it’s good to see Scheer has finally caught on.  Maybe it’s a little late for the soup to be considered a first course.  But the entree is coming up. More disasters of the phony Capitalism are to come

Obama, however, might be clueless.  He doesn’t seem to have that much on the ball.  If it’s not handed to him, I guess he concludes that it’s not worth pursuing.  What a sorry ass.

An interesting development I learned of recently in Lee, MA where the foreign-owned paper mills (French companies) tried to wrest the water rights from the people of Lee, MA by promising to put in side-walks and tree-lined streets. The motion failed by a 2-to-1 vote in the town council in 2008.

Now, two years later, a key parcel of land was sold mysteriously without the Town council’s knowledge to someone who has thus far kept a low profile.  The land buyer, no one knows what the price was, is building a house on the property and intends to block access to a town beach, Sandy Beach, on Laurel Lake. 

This beach has been a Summer relief for the townspeople from the heat for years. 

To meet this problem head-on, the townspeople are active and many have access to the local media, newspapers, CCTV, etc.  Editorials are now being written.

This could be payback.  The water slobs, the ones who want to take away our communal rights as citizens of the Earth, are in their foulest display of grab, grab, grab.

Ya gotta love ‘em.  But how?

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By kulu, July 8, 2010 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

Not only America but the whole world had its hopes pinned on Obama. If it didn’t become obvious right from the very start when the man announced the first appointments to his administration it should be blindingly obvious now that those hopes were unfounded.

I see no prospect at all of America itself turning the corner and beginning to dig it and the rest of the world out of the civilization-destroying mess it has got us all into. Along the way to self-destruction the US has had a great deal of help from much of the rest of the developed world (Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, India and others)who have contributed to their war efforts, provided them with military bases, gone along with their IMF, WTO and World Bank instruments to subjugate and impoverish the much of the rest of the world.

If their is still some hope of a turnaround, which I doubt, it must begin with Europe and the other allies of evil reversing their support for the criminal American gangsters that make up the various arms of the American cartel. I refer to the administration, Congress, the courts, the corporations and the media.

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