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What’s Really at Stake in 2012

Posted on Feb 16, 2012
AP / Manuel Balce Ceneta

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., at podium, gestures during a Capitol Hill news conference last December announcing what the GOP called a “comprehensive reform effort aimed to repair the broken budget process.”

By Bill Boyarsky

Observing the liberal Democratic critics of President Barack Obama set me wondering whether they ever listen to the Republican candidates. Haven’t they noticed that the Republicans want to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the rest of the economic protections for the poor and the middle class? 

For example, take Paul Ryan. Ryan, 42, a Republican from Wisconsin, is chairman of the House Budget Committee and the man behind the conservative House anti-government drive. His Roadmap for America’s Future proposes starting to privatize Social Security, giving Americans small tax credits to buy private health insurance, turning Medicaid for the poor over to the states, and reducing taxes for the rich and for business.

Grover Norquist, spark plug of the anti-tax movement, made it clear that these and other radical portions of the Roadmap would be the controlling guide for the Republicans if they retain control of the House and win the Senate and the presidency. He laid it all out in a speech this month to the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington.

As reported by David Frum in the Daily Beast, Norquist said congressional Republicans will run things, and all the new Republican president will have to do is sign the bills.

“All we have to do is replace Obama, Norquist said. “ ... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.”

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The Ryan budget would dismantle the health reform Obama managed to get through Congress, leaving Americans to try to find coverage in an unregulated and rapacious insurance market, helped only by piddling government tax subsidies. It would move toward the long-sought conservative goal of replacing Social Security with so-called private investment accounts. Instead of paying payroll taxes for future Social Security benefits, workers would invest their tax dollars in stocks and bonds. Those 55 and older could stay in the present system. No sense in offending those heavy voting seniors.

In addition, Medicaid would be completely run by the states, including those that want to reduce or eliminate medical aid to the poor. Leaving the nation to Paul Ryan and Grover Norquist would damage the lives of millions.

But instead of worrying about what the Republicans are promising, Obama’s liberal critics see him as their villain. Blogger Scarecrow on firedoglake harshly criticized the foreclosure fraud settlement by the state attorneys general and the administration, saying the Obama team functioned like “criminal defense counsel. … Obama’s people have performed this function for America’s looters over and over again. They did it for Wall Street, the banks, the rich tax evaders, the insurance companies, the oil companies, the gas companies, the coal companies, the CIA, the DoD, and numerous torturers and their legal/policy enablers and associated war criminals in the previous administration.” And liberals “are supposed to bite our tongues, because it could be worse.”

It’s true that Obama has disappointed many supporters. He let the Republicans push him around for too long. While the nation is slowly recovering from the recession, the Obama stimulus was too small. He gave away too much to Wall Street in the Dodd-Frank financial industry regulatory legislation. His Wall Street-oriented team is letting the bankers punch more holes in it. I’m glad he ordered the killing of Osama bin Laden, but I don’t like the way his administration is rolling over civil rights in its feverish search for suspected terrorists and leakers.

But looking at his accomplishments in the face of the recession and a reluctant Congress, he’s done pretty well.

Chrysler and GM, saved by a bailout, are making cars, and they and their suppliers employ thousands. If the Affordable Health Care Act—the formal name for Obamacare—survives the Supreme Court and Obama retains the presidency, health care in America will improve considerably. And as happened with Social Security and Medicare, the law could well be strengthened over the years, possibly becoming what we should have had in the beginning: Medicare for all.

Most important, before Obama, no president had been able to push through this kind of health insurance bill designed to cover everybody, not just the elderly and very poor. Future generations will wonder what the fuss was about. They will hardly believe there was a time when those with pre-existing conditions were denied health insurance, when coverage was unaffordable for the poor and a substantial portion of the middle class, when 50 million Americans were without any coverage at all. 

As James Fallows wrote in the current issue of The Atlantic, “the test for presidents is not where they begin but how fast they learn and where they end up. Not even FDR was FDR at the start.”

I’ve watched the Republican debates and read their materials, catching every pandering move they make to the party’s right wing. Actually, with the possible exception of the changeable Mitt Romney, they’re not pandering. They believe in the fantasy world of an Ayn Rand novel.

If they win they have a Road Map for America’s Future and a guide in author Rep. Paul Ryan. In reality, it’s a road map to the cruel past of the early 20th century, one far different from Obama’s vision of our future. Is this where the progressive critics want to go?


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By deboldt, February 25, 2012 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

I used to be quite active in Democrat politics in my county here in central Missouri. In all modesty, nobody used to work the phones the way I did. Apparently there is a lot of pressure to try to get deserters like me back in the fold to swell the depleted ranks. You’d think that with all that PACK money from the One Percenters, Obama could just buy campaign workers from the swelling ranks of his under and un-employed.

Here is my latest boilerplate I have been sending out to my old Dem friends—at least those unwise enough to attempt to solicit my support for Obama.

Dear Friend,

I find I have a diminishing appreciation for your attempts to draw me back into the partisan struggles to reform this country.  I have been casting a jaundiced eye on the Democrats’ desperate attempts to get an ever more disenchanted electorate frightened enough to re-elect such a proven reprobate. The latest boogieman de Jour is the Supreme Court
nomination and the cry is “Please, for God’s sake reelect this failed President, if for no other reason than we need a Democrat to fill Ruth Ginsberg’s seat!”

The critical issue over which you and I disagree, the
issue at the heart of all our other issues,is whether the political system is any longer capable of reform.  One of the things I am most appreciative of in the Presidency of Barack Obama is he has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt just how hopeless are any dreams of reform in this country. Obama has once and for all nailed shut the coffin lid on that issue. I know you still think that there are
actions that can be taken to improve and reform our politics and obviate all the damage done.  I, on the other hand believe the system under which we live is irredeemably corrupt and incapable of reform. Any solution, any hope for a human existence must necessarily take place beyond the political arena. That is why I no longer have any interest in participating in this process outside of a limited local basis.

Thanks for your interest, but you would do better to save your breath.I am a lost cause for you—as you are for me.

Peace,

Bob Boldt

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By kitpw, February 25, 2012 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

Re: Michael Calvan RN
Thank you for your reference to the five filters of
the Propaganda Model: corporate ownership;
advertising; reliance on powerful news sources;
reprisals; and scaremongering.  Call me obtuse, but
I truly do not understand how these filters stifle
nonprofit progressive media, which supposedly earn
support by daring to be different.  Are you being
literal when you say that they are owned by the same
corporate interests as mainstream media?  Having read
several explanations here and elsewhere for the
conspicuous lack of attention paid to Rocky Anderson
and Jill Stein and other third-party candidates who
speak to leftist concerns, I still wonder why the
only apparent exception is the Firedoglake blog
(please let me know if there are others).  I find it
especially puzzling, given that a vocal segment of
the progressive populace has renounced whatever the
two-party system has to offer.  I am stuck on this
issue because I would love to find ways to help
change it.

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By ardee, February 19, 2012 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

By Anarcissie, February 19 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

Don’t follow leaders.  Watch the parkin meters.

Bob thanks you for the citing. I think we need to elect better leaders.

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By Maine Independent, February 19, 2012 at 8:16 am Link to this comment
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It is Dems like Mr. Boyarsky that would have us keep voting for a corrupt,
repressive corporate Democratic Party by trying to scare us with how bad the
Rethugs are.  We know they are bad; they don’t try to pretend the are anything
but animal, barbarians.  We also know that the Dems are only slightly better, and
if we continue to support a weak, compromising center right POTUS like the war
criminal Obama, we will lose all our Civil and Privacy Rights, SS, Medicare,
Unemployment Insurance and HOMES just as surely as we will under the Rethugs,
just a bit slower.

So enough is enough.  I have decided that I will not be voting to support the
slightly milder corrupt corporate party any more in my life time, and let the chips
fall where they may.  I have regular middle class friends, teachers, car driving
instructors, secretaries, and software designers now talking about violent
revolution as the only way to get the desperately needed change in our country. 
None of them are talking about giving Obama the Wall Street sell out another
term as any sort of solution. 

Mr. Boyarsky suffers from the same delusion that Obama suffers from; thinking
that we are a bunch of yokels who believe their (Obama and crew) lies, and not
being intelligent enough to know how to find the truth.  And until they can
control the Internet, we will continue to be able to find the truth and that is not
what they want. 

But the Dems are a lost cuase and they will not be getting my vote anymore, and
I am letting all of them who solicite me just that.  In fact, the only political
movement I am at all interested in is Occupy!, the movement that Obama’s Dept
of Homeland Security coordinated with the mayors to evict, arrest and shut down.  And I get my
truth from Wikileaks releases, from Assange, the person that bama’s so called
Justice Dept wants to have rendered back to the US for eventually life
imprisonment or execution. 

So, no thanks Mr. Boyarsky, some of us are not buying it anymore.  I will not vote
for a Rethug, ever, but I will also not vote for a Rethug masquerading as a
Democrt.

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By Anarcissie, February 19, 2012 at 7:07 am Link to this comment

Don’t follow leaders.  Watch the parkin meters.

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By ardee, February 19, 2012 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

By Lafayette, February 18 at 8:26 am

None so blind as those who will not see.

We know, oh ex-patriot and extoller of the obvious, that we have a three branch government. Just as we know, and you will not admit, that it is the duty of a leader to LEAD.

The criticisms of Barack Obama are valid because he refuses to take a stand, refuses to draw a line, and refuses to alienate those who destroy our governance by purchasing our legislators.

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By gerard, February 18, 2012 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

Read through one more time that low-brow,dangerously
uninspiring vision portrayed in Norquist’s paragraph below:
  “All we have to do is replace Obama, Norquist said. “ ... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.”

  At a time when the world is literally threatened with extinction by climate and econimic devolution or by nuclear disaster—and at the same time a world moving more toward unity, understanding and cooperation—and able to communicate instantly and broadly—we don’t need a President and Congressional leadership to help invent new paths, open new doors, engage the people with intelligence and inspiration, invite them to work together?  All we need is to sign bills invented by the 1% for their preservation at public expense? All we need is the same old same old?
  Incedible selfishness, blindness and assininity!

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By joe, February 18, 2012 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment
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Check out the99?claration.org I have been a life long democrat. They no
longer represent anyone but the rich. They are traitors to the bill of rights. I
had great hopes for Obama. He has sold us out. America is now a fascist
police state ran by murderers. There is no difference between the two
parties. They are both crime syndicates. They must go!

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By Anarcissie, February 18, 2012 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

Words can mean anything you want them to, at least to yourself, but the historical meaning of socialism is not government control of anything, but the ownership and control of the means of production by the workers.

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By deboldt, February 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

Actually if I do vote I may actually vote for Rocky.  There are lots of less creative ways to throw your vote away.  If a miracle happened, the voters had a sudden attack of clarity and sanity and voted in Rocky, he would be dead before he even could be inaugurated.  That was the secret Gore and Kerry realized.  Sometimes you can win and still lose.  Chicken shits that they were—that’s whay they refused to serve even though they actually won. The Bush family fix was in, Check it out.  I’d better stop there before someone calls me a 9/11-Conspiracy nut.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 18, 2012 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

The corporate powers that be want you to stay home. Or vote Republican in protest. That is why you will never see articles here about Rocky Anderson and/or Jill Stein-Roseanne Barr.

Wake up. The Noam Chomsky five media filters applies to “progressive” blogs like TruthDig just as much as the corporate media. Because they are owned by the same monied interests.

They own Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, The Nation, Mother Jones, Air America radio, TruthDig, TruthOut, Common Dreams etc etc. It explains the mass purging and bannings of real progressives on the blogs in 2008. All of us who were trying to warn you all of Obama.

So we have the comments section. To promote and let you know about Rocky Anderson for president.

Wake up. You are being played.

ROCKY ANDERSON FOR PRESIDENT.

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By laurence Tribe, February 18, 2012 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment
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Michael8000: liberal = socialist. Both forms of government guarantee the people have no control of government, but of course that sort of resembles what we in the U.S. have now. I don’t believe those who realy own us, the world’s consortium of megaBankers (the Fed, the printers of the euro,  et al)really give a rat’s behind who governs the masses as long as they control the economy by fluctuating the amount of currency in circulation. The socialist John Maynard Keynes foretold of a single world currency which he called the “bancor”. We, the people are absolutely out of control! But it sounds like most of the readers here prefer big government to protect them,not really caring that’s history in the making.

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By deboldt, February 18, 2012 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

Tariq Ali said something to the effect that Americans will not get change until they are willing to die for it—like the Egyptians and the Syrians.  Harsh words for a population who has never until now had to change anything more substantial than a litter box.  I’m afraid we will be getting the kind of a government—hell we already have the kind of government—we deserve.  And what does the disgruntled Amerikan do instead of storming the battlements the way his brave Arab Spring counterpart is doing?  He goes home beats his wife, rapes his daughter and shoots himself.  A Republican will do more to foment true revolution in this country than a lying Obama who will sooth us with deadly promises and empty rhetoric—while doing exactly what the Republicans are honestly promising to do in the first place.

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By Pouteria, February 18, 2012 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment
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Bill is asking us to vote for
Tweedle D’ obummer and not
Tweedle Dumb.

I’m not voting. I can not vote
for someone who just for
starters supported removing
habeas corpus.

Obummer is a wimp who plays
the presidency like he does b-
ball: weave and dodge. He lives
in the Land of Limpdickity!

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By ReadingJones, February 18, 2012 at 12:45 pm Link to this comment

I spent a few minutes reading random comments on the
Wall Street Journal this morning. Ralph,
ralph…...........ralph. But we have some excellent
commentators here at Truthdig. I hope a few of you will
spend a little time studying the enemy and preparing
rebuttals. I doubt very much that we could change any
minds directly but it might be possible to influence
third parties to see reason—-especially through
ridicule.

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By Samson, February 18, 2012 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

More of the campaign to convince people to vote for
four more years of Reagan’s trickle-down economic
policies and Dubya’s foreign policies of never ending
wars.

When you read something like this, what you need to
realize is that the Democrats have nothing to
campaign on other than slinging mud and making fun of
the Republicans.  And that should tell you loud and
clear that voting Democrat isn’t an answer either.

We know for certain that voting Dem means four more
years of war, four more years of our money being
wasted on the military and spies and homeland
gestapo.  We know voting Democrat means four more
years of letting Wall Street run the economy and
being considered above the law.  We know this for
certain because we’ve seen it for the last four
years.

The Democrats will try to confuse you into thinking
that its only them and the nasty Republicans.  But
there’s almost always other names on the ballot.

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By DornDiego, February 18, 2012 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

“We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it
up or design it,”  said the dominant Repugnant, Grover Norquist, with his hands
on the nuts of all the minor Repugnants.
Boyarsky has done us all a great service by pointing out that when we bash
Obama for not delivering the full socially-conscious menu we’re revealing is
that we really think the Presidency is meaningless and political action
pointless.  Well, imagine what happens next if your Democratic Congressperson
and your President is thrown from office. 
DO SOMETHING.  Join up.  Picket your freaking Congressman’s office and shout
out for repeal of Citizens United, that you want no more radical suspensions of
civil liberties, like those in the National Defense Authorization Act, which
suspends habeas corpus.  Obama is not the tooth fairy; he can’t deliver to you
your snug paradise while the Repugnants are assembling their coup d’etat.  We
all need to defend ourselves.

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By mediacritic, February 18, 2012 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Observing the liberal Democratic apologists of President Barack Obama set me
wondering whether they ever listen to the Democratic candidates. Haven’t they
noticed that the Democrats want to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid
and the rest of the economic protections for the poor and the middle class?
Seriously, the columnist is a casuist.  The logic is so wrong-headed.  The other
choice is awful, so vote for a guy who’s not so bad.  But Obama does want to
dismantle Social Security.  He’s a neo-liberal who believes all the fallacious
arguments that Wall Street and the Bankers shovel at us every day.
I’m not voting for any of the current Presidential candidates because they all stand
for pretty much the same thing (except of slight differences on social identity
issues).  If the ‘liberals’ want my vote, give me a real liberal.  Read your own
columnist Chris Hedges!!

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By Lafayette, February 18, 2012 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

IT TAKES THREE TO TANGO

D: Obama’s inspiring words about America belie his shabby domestic record on reigning in Wall Street and corporate crime, establishing an effective environmental policy, and minimizing the toxic influence of the HMOs over the nation’s health care system

Once again, the same tired myopia of a disgruntled Dem who does not understand the complexity of tripartite government.

So, of course, the Commander-in-Chief should have nucked the Replicants back to the Stone Age. It’s all his fault; isn’t it?

Where was your disgust after the mid-terms that took the super-majority in the Senate away from him? Where is your disgust with the Replicant-controlled HofR that has stymied any attempt for Stimulus Spending necessary to put Americans to work?

Wake up. Stop bitching-in-a-blog about a political process that disappoints you but are ready to spectate from afar rather than militate to change. People are dying today for the right to elect their leaders, whilst you diss the entire democratic system that allows you to do just that.

Your apathetic response is defeatist indolence. It takes three to tango in LaLaLand on the Potomac - the Executive, the Legislature and the Judicial branch. What happens there is NEVER the fault of just one of them.

Change the system if you don’t like it, by outing the T-Party and changing the Colour of Congress from red to blue. You’ll find plenty of company desiring exactly the same outcome.

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By deboldt, February 18, 2012 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

Obama is the best campaigner I have ever seen.  If the Republicans nominate Willard, it will be fun to watch him mop up the debate stage with him. Still it will be a choice between the lesser of two demagogues. The only looser of the next presidential election will be the 99%.  If the Republicans win, it will be the fault of The Liberal Democrat’s failure to present any Progressive primary challenge to Obama, not the thousands of disgusted voters like me who will stay home. 

Once again Party Democrats trot out the tired cliché of the lesser of two evils. I listened in expected dismay to his State of the Union speech. With no positive expectations of the President, it is impossible to say his State of the Union speech was a colossal disappointment.  It was exactly the perfect storm of inflated rhetoric, lies and clichés I would have expected from a failed executive.  As an ex-Democrat/Obama supporter I have been warning people to attend, not to what he says, but what he does.  His State of the Union address presented us with a case in point:  Rhetoric Score B+ Performance Score D-

Obama’s inspiring words about America belie his shabby domestic record on reigning in Wall Street and corporate crime, establishing an effective environmental policy, and minimizing the toxic influence of the HMOs over the nation’s health care system—along with a seemingly endless list of other failures.  Of course no apology was made for a scandalous record of opacity and domestic repression that would make a Neocon drool.  Listening to his inspiring words almost makes me want to forget the fact that he is just blowing campaign smoke up the voters’ noses. 

It is in the area of US foreign policy that Obama really hits his demagogic stride:  Iran’s unestablished (and probably non-existent) nuclear program, our successful beating of Iraq back into the stone age, continuing covert support for the brutal leadership suppressing the Arab spring, bragging about the international crime of the murder of Osama Bin Laden and repeating the Big Lie that Bin Laden was the primary author of 9/11.  The only thing more shocking than the presentation of these bald-faced lies and bully-brags is the fact that a majority of Americans don’t even understand the enormity of his lies and our foreign policy crimes. 

We now have a choice between two hand baskets to Hell.  The fast-tracked Republican one, or the slightly slower, more comfortable Democrat one.  A vote for either one will get us to the same place.

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By Paco, February 18, 2012 at 8:56 am Link to this comment
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I’ve long noted that conservatives believe in magic - that somehow if government just stops regulating and gets out of the way then the economy will thrive, everyone will work for the good of all and everything will be wonderful. 

But it seems as though liberals have their own version of believing in magic.  Even though the danger of the <a href = “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_effect”> spoiler effect</a> in our system of elections has long been recognized, there seems to be a popular notion that we should look for a third-party alternative to Obama.

The argument goes that if only the majority of people would give up on the two major parties and vote for the third party alternative we prefer then our favorite candidate would be elected. 

Sure, but that is a huge if and in reality it just isn’t going to happen.  Without big money support, the majority of voters will go to the polls not even having heard of that favorite candidate. Moreover, who’s to say that candidate would do any better than the last widely favored candidate, Obama?

But the real result of promoting a third party candidate might be to divert a percent or two of the vote to that latest favorite third party candidate and that might result in another George Bush becoming President.  That thought alone is apt to keep many of the voters who have heard of the favorite candidate, and even who might prefer that candidate, from voting that way.

Let me add that this morning <a href = “http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=74&jumival=839”> I listened to an interview of Rocky Anderson </a> and I really liked what he said.  If I had my choice I’d probably prefer he take over as President in 2013 but I know that is not going to happen.  It just isn’t.  Obama is my second choice and in all likelihood he will get my vote.

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By Anarcissie, February 18, 2012 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

Europe isn’t working, either.  We’ll have to see about China and India, but with export-based economies, they might soon be in a lot of trouble, too.

Someday it’s going to occur to somebody that when you have winners, you have to have losers, and at the end of the day, the winners are stuck with the losers.  Germany ‘won’ in Euroland, so now they have to bail out Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and maybe others, or watch their system crash.

The problem with capitalism, including social democratic capitalism where you pay off the poor to shut up, is its atomism.

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By Lafayette, February 18, 2012 at 8:10 am Link to this comment

THE REAL TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMIC MIRACLE

CWC: Some where in his Economics the “Working Man ” was to have a Dictatorship of their own. Well it failed.

Yes, the Dictatorship of the Proletariat did not work out. Central Economic Planning torpedoed that ship under Communism.

What is left, between the extremism of the Left in Russia and that of the Right in America is ... Europe. With its exploitation of a Capitalist Economy, with high taxation, in order to implement Social Justice. Egalitarianism can work - it’s not a hand-out but a hand-up.

Want a Public Option Health Care that does not cost an arm and a leg. Or a full education up to the postsecondary level, by which to obtain the skills the Information Age requires, and wont cost the other arm and a leg? Want to be able to shelter yourself and your family in affordable housing without have the Foreclosure Sword of Damocles hanging over your head?

It’s easy ... and the only difficult part is understanding why most Americans do not see how easy that promise can be fulfilled. If they would get behind it by voting Progressive Candidates into the next Congress.

Clear out the 47% of millionaires who abide there and bring in some New Talent with Progressive Instincts. Then watch as, with the wealth this economy can generate (through our work and our consumption), the riches that are presently trickling upwards can be made to trickle downwards as they should naturally.

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By Barney F McClelland, February 18, 2012 at 6:47 am Link to this comment
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For working people choosing between Republicans and Democrats is like choosing between a crack whore and a junkie; they’ll both lie to you, they’ll both steal from you and at the first opportunity, they’ll stab you in the back to get their fix of corporate money

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By Lafayette, February 18, 2012 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

Norquist: The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.”

Or not.

These twerps are troglodytes who want to take us back to the Stone Age. If the American public gets the proper whiff of their fundamentalist dogma, nothing of the sort will happen.

So, let’s get the message out to GrassRoots America. The real battle is for Congress. Maybe that will move them out of their political apathy?

And maybe not ...

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By Marian Griffith, February 18, 2012 at 2:58 am Link to this comment
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After the revealing of the big backers of the republican superpacs it became clear that about 20 millionaires (or billionaires) are fighting it out who the next republican candidate is.
After that about 20 or so super rich men are going to fight it out to decide who the next president is going to be.
Because whan all is said and done, the average American voter is going to believe what the television says while avowing that he or she does not believe what the television says. They cry that they do not want negative campaigning, and then vote exactly as the most viciously negative campaign has it.

And so we are in a situation that a double hand full of millionaires decide who is president.

And what makes any of you think that the President of the USA is actually in charge of anything?


(* Just put a crown on the head of the next one and appoint him and his family king for life and be done with it. Democracy won’t suffer and it saves a couple of billion dollars each election cycle)

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By Palindromedary, February 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

“Not even FDR was FDR at the start.”

That’s right…it took a lot of rebellion of the masses to make things quite uncomfortable for the ruling elite…strikes..boycotts…rising violence…etc.

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By Sharon, February 17, 2012 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment
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Why is it the GOP is willing to entertain the idea of electing Romney, Santorum or Gingrich to the Presidency?

Even though none of them ‘like’ any of the candidates, since whoever gets installed will ‘only have to sign the bills’ and not ‘think’, I guess it doesn’t really matter ...

True Progressives will look elsewhere than the two corporate parties for a candidate… I can recommend at least two :  Jill Stein (Green Party) and Rocky Anderson (Justice Party)

Rest assured, with the way the GOP has alienated the 99% and is busily killing off it’s boomer supporters, a third party will at last have a chance to overturn the B.S. going on in Washington, and that means not only for the Presidency but in State and Local government elections, too.

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By Anarcissie, February 17, 2012 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

Actually, I think with domestic policy, Mr. O probably doesn’t matter all that much.  If there were a proggie Democratic Congress he’d just bend with that wind.  And so, I guess, would Plastic Man.

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By chuckwagoncharlie, February 17, 2012 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

Poor old Karl Marx would roll over in his grave to see his Ideological Marxist in the U.S. dancing hand in hand with the Corporations,Military Industrial Complex,Wall Street Barons and Global Capitalist. Some where in his Economics the “Working Man ” was to have a Dictatorship of their own. Well it failed.

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By Miko, February 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment
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What’s really at stake is the soul of the nation. 
Obama is a war criminal and ought to be delivered to
the International Criminal Court to face his crimes
against humanity.  Voting for him is inexcusable no
matter what the alternatives are.

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By norman harman, February 17, 2012 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment
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PLease! Enough of this pissant-liberal garbage about how the world’s going to
come to an end if we don’t re-elect Obama (by his actions, a conservative
Republican, btw).

We elected him the first time and what did we get? More war, more Wall Street
crooks in the White House, more cuts in essential services to the Middle and
Working classes, more enlarged military budgets, more civilian deaths from
drones in short, more of everything we thought we were voting against.

Do you think we’re all stupid?

Screw you Boyarsky, either you haven’t been paying any attention over the last 3
years or you just don’t get it.

If all I have to look forward to is this same shit from another Obama
administration then why should I give a damn whether it’s Romney, that dimwit
Santorum, Mr. Science Fiction Gingrich, or that silly old man stuck in the late
18th century, Ron Paul.

I’m voting for Rocky Anderson - I’ll never again waste my vote on a Democrat.

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By Steve E, February 17, 2012 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

Right on Mo, let us dump this snake in the grass President and get it over with.
Yes, the sooner we get another Repug in office the sooner the populace will realize
we need honest progressive change. Let us stop the slow decline into the abyss.
Don’t reward this dismal excuse for a leader with another term after all the
damage he has done to this country. If Obama gets in again we will never stop
regretting our stupidity.

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By sciencehighway, February 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

Thank you, Mr. Boyarsky, for writing this article. Given the nature of the daily give and take on this site I can think of no audience more in need of your wisdom, nor one less likely to listen. Of course from reading the comments so far it’s clear that it didn’t take (nor did I really expect it to), but please know that at least one faithful, progressive and realistic reader respects and appreciates the effort.

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By Mo, February 17, 2012 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment
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Maybe the only way things will change is to let Obama go – he had his chance and dropped the ball.  Once a Republican is in office again we’ll have even more people ready to take it to the streets.  I heard pathetic Diane Feinstein the other day saying how it takes time for change.  Well how f-ing long?  All the while she’s been in office things have just gotten worse.  And on top of that, she become even more wealthy – remember she voted straight down the line for everything Bush wanted.

Boyarsky still thinks this is the ’70s or ‘80s.  It’s a different world now, buddy.  The entire political system is corrupt to the core.  If Obama goes down so be it.  Maybe then the corrupt Democrats will get a clue.  If we could just get rid of Boxer and Feinstein, that would be a start too – but they would never step aside for new ideas, a new direction, because it’s not in their self-interest to do so.  Vote for anyone who isn’t a Democrat or a Republican.

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By MollyJ, February 17, 2012 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

Bill, some of us are just tired of settling for sloppy seconds.  I for one am not doing it again.  The Dems are going to have to be a true opposition party if they want my vote.

With Obama we got the continuance of Guantanamo Bay, the expansion of war, the expansion of the uses of drones, assassination of Americans abroad, squash down on whistle blowers, detention of Bradley Manning, Payroll tax which is a not even thinly disguised erosion of Social Security, a health care plan without Single payer even at the table, SEC and fed policy run by Wall street banksters.

Obama says the right things to a certain degree but he governs like George W. Bush’s long lost twin.

Too late, too late….too, too late.

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By bobbylon, February 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment

Give me an effing break. Obama has been trying to gut Social Security and
Medicare since the day he took office.

We must sacrifice to feed the beast of Obama’s masters: Wall Street and
Military/Security Industrial Complex.

We’ll be like Greece at the end of Obama’s second term. I’ll take my chances
fighting against the Republican President, b/c it took a Democratic Presidency to
create SS/Medicare, only a Democratic President could kill it

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By entropy2, February 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
- H. L. Mencken

Yup.

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By Bill Perdue, February 17, 2012 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment

Obama is a Republican in drag.

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By Ed Romano, February 17, 2012 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

All this reminds me of a DeMaupasant tale I read years ago…something like this. A devout jew discovers that his wife has been unfaithful. When confronted she asks if it isn’t true that the Messiah will come when the world is totally evil. Yes, he says. Well then, she replies. I was just trying to
hurry him along…. The point? If you want to avoid a world that is totally evil this would be a good argument for voting democratic.  But more to the point…why must we always have to choose between the lesser of two evils ? The Repuiblicans say they want to flay us completely. The Democrats say No, only the upper part of the body. It is no secret that both parties represent the exact same corporate interests. What is needed is a political party that can stand over and against the interests of the corporations ...( and it ain’t Ralph Nader.) Until that happens these arguments are a waste of breath. And if it doesn’t happen we can expect an eventual military dictatorship.

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By kazy, February 17, 2012 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment
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“Observing the liberal Democratic critics of President Barack Obama set me wondering whether they ever listen to the Republican candidates. Haven’t they noticed that the Republicans want to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the rest of the economic protections for the poor and the middle class?”

Hey Bill have you noticed that the Democrats haven’t put up much of a fight to stop them and have considered cutting these reforms? Actions speak louder than words and just because the Dems say they are for working people, their actions have proved there’s not much fight in them to defend us or the issues that make our lives better. They end up wringing their hands and often voting the way the Republicans want them against the interest of working people and their constituents. I believe that when a democrat excuses his voting record based on him being obstructed or held hostage by the Republicans, it’s because he got exactly what he wanted. Why in God’s name did Obama appoint blue dog Democrats to come up with a health plan bill? Why didn’t he put in democrats who believed in a public option, or single payer, who believed passionately in changing our broken health care system? No instead he puts in conservative democrats who are beholdened to the health care industry. Because Obama made a deal with the health insurance and pharmaceuticals over the welfare of the people. He had no intention of overhauling the system. Big Pharma and the health insurance industry could live with Obamacare BECAUSE NOTHING CHANGED. Obama gave us crumbs. There’s still millions of people who can’t afford health care and will never afford it as long as we continue to have private health companies offering it, even at the lower rates on Obama care, it’s still too much money and unless you have a job, there’s no way you can pay into it. Obamacare is a joke, a hand out to the private industry and you still have to pay through the nose for drugs. Thanks Obama, you did a great job -  great job of nothing. If the Republicans can get what they want by fighting tooth and nail why can’t the Democrats? Because they don’t want to. It’s good cop, bad cop - except they’re both bad cops.

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By nickjr, February 17, 2012 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

This article is a pathetic transparent obamapology
(thanks to D Cyr for the term):

“the test for presidents is not where they begin but
how fast they learn and where they end up. Not even
FDR was FDR at the start.”

So there we have it—-the liberal rationale for
giving the careerist hack in the White House another
term, fortified by invocation of the Republican
boogie man.

What isn’t said often enough is that obama—-had he
actually been interested in doing the right thing—-
came to office at one of those critical moments in
history when the nation could have been led in a
transformational direction, instead of down the same
old duopolistic dead-end.

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By Pat Grant, February 17, 2012 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment
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Gee, Obama is racing us off a cliff at only 2/3 the speed of the R’s.  He’s GREAT!

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By S. Juniper, February 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment
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I, too, am through voting for the
lesser of evils, especially given
Obama’s betrayal of the hope of so
many of us. His words and actions
and inactions have been
consistently disgusting. Nixon
would be an improvement.

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By michael8000, February 17, 2012 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment
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“The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.”

“conservative” = fascist

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By Blueokie, February 17, 2012 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

I’m looking forward to Boyarsky’s next piece where he will bemoan the (R)‘s use of fear as a motivator for their base.  The Dimocrats strategy of the last few elections reminds me of the National Lampoon cover with the .357 to a border collie’s head and the headline “Buy This Magazine, or We’ll Kill This Dog”.

He wants to give credit to Obamafraud for running the Republican Health Care Plan through the Heritage Foundation for their approval before passage, and W and the Republican’s Auto bailout, whose chief purpose was to disempower the UAW
and turn their rank and file from middle class to menial temps.  By the way, has anyone noticed the price of new cars coming down, as the explanation always given was the expansive benefits and wages of auto workers?  Those don’t really exist anymore, yet the price keeps going up.

The point is that since the mid 80’s the chief purpose of the Dimocrats has been to make Republican policy bi-partisan.  Changing (R)‘s to (D)‘s has been no change at all.  Yet Boyarsky and evidently truthdig would have us believe that the policies of the 1% are the only answer possible , which seems strange
since around 70% of the population has lost that faith and is looking for new solutions.

Maybe Boyarsky could entertain us with a column about delicious, nutritious, life changing Coca-Cola and how it is so much better than the evil, dangerous, acridity of Pepsi.

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By EmileZ, February 17, 2012 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

The corporate Democrats don’t have a plan.

It is also a nightmare of greed and inequality.

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By gerard, February 17, 2012 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

Rage is no substitute for common sense.  But then again, if UNESCO can hold a world conference in Paris oon Feb. 15 to 17, on the future implications of WikiLeaks for journalism—and EXCLUDE
WikiLeaks from participating (which it did!)—and on top of that, invite Domscheit-Berg—well, the world has already gone to hell.

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By peteb91, February 17, 2012 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

The republicans have a plan, it’s an Ayn Rand nightmare, a world of greed and inequality.

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By Anarcissie, February 17, 2012 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Poor Boyarsky, sent forth to the wastelands to preach to the surly but fortunately indolent proggies.

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By skyguy, February 17, 2012 at 9:00 am Link to this comment
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I’ve had it with the ‘Lesser of Two Evils’ argument put forward by Obama supporters. I will not be voting for evil candidates in 2012, lesser or greater. A slow descent into a corporatist totalitarian state is no more acceptable than a rapid one.

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By Hank Van den Berg, February 17, 2012 at 8:48 am Link to this comment
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OK, I was expecting this from the Democrats.  “You have to vote for us because the Republicans are just awful.” I’m not buying this predictable but disgusting line. 

Mr. Boyarski, have you paid any attention to what Obama has done in office?  Action tells us more than Republican bluster in silly staged debates.  Obama has already begun dismantling social security (with his tax cut an his statement that everything is on the table), he is cutting Medicare, his healthcare plan was designed to fail and make real reform impossible for years, he expanded two wars and is now preparing for yet another against Iran, he refuses to openly support unions (wouldn’t go to Wisconsin to support the strike or even mention unions during his recent visit to Wisconsin), promotes “deficit reduction” as the goal of economic policy, his silence on birth control provides cover for the Christian right, he has taken full responsibility for Bush’s recession, he can’t even come up with nominations for all the open positions in his administration, and the list goes on and on.

Bring on Romney.  Maybe then progressive idiots like Boyarski will finally wake up to the corporate takeover of our political system.

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By bigchin, February 17, 2012 at 8:06 am Link to this comment
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you have a problem printing my comment from yesterday?

Fuck you.

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By David J. Cyr, February 17, 2012 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Bill Boyarsky:

“Most important, before Obama, no president had been able to push through this kind of health insurance bill designed to cover everybody, not just the elderly and very poor.”
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That’s typical of the Orwellian language of the disingenuous, devious, and deeply depraved Democrats. Liberals can’t breathe without lying.

Democrats got their Democrat Congress (House and Senate) with a Democrat POTUS, and they made SickCare even sicker.

The “progressive” liberals have nothing to complain about. They got all the “humanitarian” wars and ProfitCare from lack of care for people that they (D) voted for.

If “progressives” wanted actual healthcare for all and an end to wars of aggression, they wouldn’t have voted for the corporate party’s Democrats.

The “progressives” are the liberals who keep voting for the corporate party’s Democrats so they can keep protesting against what they voted for.

Jill Stein for President:

http://www.jillstein.org

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By Moebius, February 17, 2012 at 5:54 am Link to this comment

Or maybe people listening to the Republicans don’t like what they hear, but think that attacks on their civil rights are even more of a problem than attacks on their wallets.

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Not only do these comments attack ONLY the Dems, but they also completely disregard the PREMISE of the article which was of course, what the GOP is adamantly stating they will in fact pursue if they are elected. Hmmmm…. why is it no one is upset about what the GOP’s stated goals are?

Limited intellect or overwhelming partisan slanting, you decide.

Listen, you aptly named angry guy, Ill use small words so you can follow along. The article discussed reasons for voting for democrats, thus the criticisms concern holes in that logic.

Of course the left is against the GOP plans for America, but voting for those who have facilitated those plans, who have the same damn plans only sans the courage to note it, for a man in the White House who is either an incompetent or in league with corporate America, is not the solution.

You are free to rave and distort all you wish, you are free to allow your blind partisanship to mar your ability to think. But do not expect your abysmal distortions of the positions of those who disagree with you to pass unnoticed or sans comment.

Your arguments are clumsy, but then that is your usual style.

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By madisolation, February 17, 2012 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

“It’s true that Obama has disappointed many supporters. He let the Republicans push him around for too long.”

Did the Republicans “push him around” when he appointed Wall Street trash as his advisors? How about when he decided to invade Libya without Congressional approval? Maybe way back when he supported retroactive immunity by casting a yes vote for FISA or when he was drumming up support for TARP?
No, he hasn’t let the Republicans push him around. He’s decided to let Wall Street bankers, defense contractors, Big Oil, and insurance corporations “push him around.” And that’s why I’d never, ever support or vote for a man who stood at the crossroads of history and decided to sell us all out in order to enchance his own personal fortune. History will not treat him kindly, and neither should the voters in 2012.

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By prisnersdilema, February 17, 2012 at 4:23 am Link to this comment

The whole premise of this article is false.  Liberals don’t support Obama, precisely
because they do know what is at stake. They understand, that president Obama
will not support a progressive agenda.

So now this late in the day, all of Mr. Obama’s betrayals, and false promises
cannot be covered up no matter how many soaring speeches he gives.

If he has anyone to blame its himself. His appointment of so many corporate
crooks to head departments in his administration, his abetting of wall streets
crimes, his continued pursuit of global empire, the murder of American citizens,
and his betrayal of the constitution with NDAA,  and on and on…

His presidency has been a continuation of W’s.

It will be president Obama that ends social security, mouthing some convenient
rationalization, like the Republicans made me do it , or I won’t enforce it, or some
other lame excuse. No one’s buying it anymore.

So, its precisely that,  progressives understand what’s at stake and that’s why they
don’t support Obama. Why give him the opportunity for more back stabbing?

And when Boybandarsky, talks about the wonders of health care reform, he is
really rubbing it in. Because health care reform is one of the biggest scams ever
perpetrated on the American people. Written by the insurance industry, and for the
insurance industry, health care reform, is a perfect example of why Obama, has
only himself to blame for his fading support. Insurance industry profits have shot
up to to new highs. Their stocks are some of the most attractive on Wall Street,
now that government practically guarantees they will make multi billion dollar
profits for decades to come.  I am sure they will return the support by giving
generous amounts of cash to the Obama campaign.

Thats why they voted for Obama in the first place, and he betrayed them. He
betrayed us all.

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By EmileZ, February 17, 2012 at 2:26 am Link to this comment

@ Outraged

Yeah, keep on going with that narrative baloney pipsqueak.

I’m just going to take a little nap.

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By Marian Griffith, February 17, 2012 at 2:16 am Link to this comment
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It really is not all that hard a choice, though it is an unpalatable one.

In the short term the republican party will do more damage to the people of the USA than will the democrat party.

In the long term both are harming the people and need to be replaced with something a bit less inclined to suck life, blood and money out of the population on behalf of the tiny fraction that already owns and controls more than is healthy for the country or the world.

That said, it is absolutely vital that the majority of the supreme court is restored to more, I was about to say progressive but the world really is humane justices. Obama (since that is the only likely choice this year) can at least be expected to try to appoint a moderate candidate. Neither Romney nor Santorum is going to be aiming for anything but a clone of Roberts, or anybody else who unabashedly strives to return the country to the social order of the 1800s.

Of course if Obama wins a second term all of the conservative members are going to cling to their seat for dear life for another 4 years, while if the republicans win the presidency one or two who are already teethering on naturally enforced retirement may opt to step down so as to help ensure another generation of conservativeness and slash and burn of social liberties.

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By Outraged, February 17, 2012 at 2:15 am Link to this comment

Re: EmileZ

Your comment: “Yeah, keep on going with that narrative baloney pipsqueak.”

I’ll take that as a confirmation of my preceding comment. The only group I know who consistently attacks on the little guy (and especially us “eggheads”) is the GOP.

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By Steve E, February 17, 2012 at 1:58 am Link to this comment

So did Bill get something for writing this drivel? I want my piece of the pie for
reading it.

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By EmileZ, February 17, 2012 at 1:57 am Link to this comment

@ Outraged

Yeah, keep on going with that narrative baloney pipsqueak.

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By Outraged, February 17, 2012 at 1:45 am Link to this comment

Re: EmileZ

Your comment: “As Foghorn Leghorn might put it…”

Apparently, the symbolism of Egghead Jr. and Foghorn Leghorn’s relationship is beyond your “imaginings”.

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By EmileZ, February 17, 2012 at 1:14 am Link to this comment

@ Outraged

As Foghorn Leghorn might put it…

Boy, I say boy… Obama’s to much of a chickenhawk to blatantly assert what he will absolutely persue, in fact, he seems more mixed up than a feather in a whirlwhind, but the same cockamamie seems to happen up there in Washington D.C. that you might expect to see from a George W. Bush administration.

In fact I can easily imagine W. saying “I call on corporations to find ways to stop outsourcing and bring jobs back to America” in a SOTU speech.

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By Duglarri, February 17, 2012 at 12:58 am Link to this comment
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What this all reflects is an incredible shift to the right on the part of the American elite. 

The fall of communism left no left left, with the result that the apparent middle has become so skewed in the rightward direction that you have a President who could not have gained the Republican nomination in Nixon’s time because he’s too far to the right- let alone the Democratic nomination.

But the public hasn’t shifted.  And to argue that everyone should just accept this rightward shift and take the best of two options- well, as the Simpsons put it so well, vote for Kang or Kodos- what are you going to do- it’s a two-party system!

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By sdried, February 17, 2012 at 12:53 am Link to this comment
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Yes, the Rethugs have gone off the deep end. As bad as they are, am I obliged to ignore Obama’s broken promises, his pathetic pandering to those same Rethugs, his shredding of the constitution, his murdering of American civilians without trials or charges, his wanton killing of foreign civilians of all ages, his persecution of whistleblowers, etc., etc…? I’ve only scratched the surface and that makes me a purist? I got tricked into voting for him once, and it won’t happen again. His (and his Rethug opponents’) degeneracy points to a rot that’s eating away at the foundations of our society. Our paranoid insecurity state is sewing the seeds of a whirlwind it increasingly deserves to reap.

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By Outraged, February 16, 2012 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment

Not only do these comments attack ONLY the Dems, but they also completely disregard the PREMISE of the article which was of course, what the GOP is adamantly stating they will in fact pursue if they are elected. Hmmmm…. why is it no one is upset about what the GOP’s stated goals are?

Makes me wonder… I mean, what I ascertain from these comments is that it doesn’t matter one whit what the GOP is blatantly asserting they will absolutely pursue, because….because…. because… for no LOGICAL reason the Dems are worse. Makes me wonder who’s side these posters’ are on….?  Well, that’s a lie. Truth be told, it is obvious whose side the commenters who’ve posted before me are on…. yep, that’s “black and white” shall we say. (btw, pun intended)

If anyone one would have addressed the actual premise of the article using some actual numbers or what in the real world is known as FACTS, then of course I could have considered their possible point, or engaged their reasoning or even disagreed. But no. This doesn’t exist in the previous comments.

What is evident, at least from my understanding of the comments preceding mine, is that basically “the message” is the Dems are no good at all so we may as well have a Repug as president. (Could someone please explain how, WORST as opposed to BETTER is a good thing, since apparently this appears to be a concept I’ve yet to grasp)

I realize I’m not a PURE liberal, nor am I a PURE pacifist, nor am I a PURE “lefty” (whatever that is), but that comes with the territory. You see… back in the day, truthfully, I found it impossible to be a PURE fundamentalist. So…. say what you will, but YEAH, frankly I am not PURE. If that bothers you’re supposed conscience, take heart in the fact that you are not alone. Many PURE ones have attempted to persuade my consideration and reason away, the evil and the well-meaning alike.

No matter the fight, no matter the premise, no matter the hardship, no matter how arduous and no matter how slowly….... a step in the right direction is just that. It’s moving forward…. I’ve never met the caring person who doesn’t recognize that….. no matter their other proclivities.

For the record, I have engaged “the purists” many times (long history actually, as having once been a fundamentalist)... but they are not the most of us.

Truth is, caring people care… and well, then there’s those other people.

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By Dr Bones, February 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm Link to this comment
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How could anyone vote for a President who starts illegal wars, believe he can assassinate anyone he desires, mandates people buy corporate products, and believes he can indefinitely detain anyone without trial.  He is right of Bush on many issues.  I even think Bush might has sent some of those criminal bankers to jail.  Obama’s Justice department is a crime! Might as well just have the Mafia run it.

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By do over, February 16, 2012 at 11:45 pm Link to this comment

The least worst argument is dead.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 16, 2012 at 10:51 pm Link to this comment

Oh and thanks for the mention of firedoglake

Where articles about Rocky Anderson are allowed.

Can ya truthdig it?

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 16, 2012 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

Wow

I am amazed to see this kind of Obama/Democrat apologist drivel from a TruthDig article. Really, I am (sarcasm) I mean after all, to counter balance this corporatist drivel we have an equal number of articles about Rocky Anderson for president. Or at least articles explaining why people are leaving the corporate corrupted, pro-war Democrats in droves.

Yeah, right. Almost like the principles of the Noam Chomsky and the five filters of the corporate media apply here as well. As in, the 501c3 Industrial Complex want you afraid, uninformed and staying in what we progressives call, the Veal Pen. The Democratic Party. Barring that, at least to give up and drop out of politics and the electoral arena. 

Ain’t gonna happen. Check out you tube- Rocky Anderson Real News

ROCKY ANDERSON FOR PRESIDENT

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Michael Cavlan
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By Blueokie, February 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment

I looked over this article twice but I can’t find the reprint from “The Onion” line.

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By UreKismet, February 16, 2012 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment

Good to see most understand the same old game of rethug boogie man, the Dems are playing, but it has to go further than that.
For every lying dem shill there are 10 or 20 citizens who joined the dems in the hope they would deliver on simple stuff like universal health care (it is very simple if you don’t let self interested insurance companies and HMOs complicate it) or effective social security nets.

Those dem members comprise the bulk of the humans doing the grunt work every election, yet after every election their political objectives are discarded by the successful dem candidates as they head away to “shore up their base”  that is enact policies that are an anathema to those who voted for them, but may appeal to voters who didn’t.
Shoring up yer base is one of those opposite terms.  It really means trying to win over the idiots and assholes who would never vote dem; even if their life depended on it.

This time citizens need to get out there and educate the dem footsoldiers.  Explain to them that they need to withdraw their labour because all they are currently doing is enabling another sellout by the careerist creeps and hypocrites who always win the dem party candidature.
The enablement allows this scum to steal citizens votes.

The dem party cannot be reformed from within it is simply too corrupt and set in its ways.  The only cure is for citizens to leave these assholes to their own devices.  Then when the careerists have all jumped ship to rethug land take the party back on the proviso that every candidate tenders a letter of resignation at the same time as he/she applies for nomination.  Those letters can be activated as soon as a dem legislator from prez on down, even looks like he/she will vote against the policy agreed on by the membership.

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By rend it, February 16, 2012 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Sheer,

A quick look at these comments has me wondering why Bill Boyarsky is published here, its obvious your readership could both research and article better but also come to far more sound conclusions on the current state of affairs. Im all for opposing points of view but this is just weak drivel.

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By John Drabble, February 16, 2012 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment
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Remember all those things we hated GW Bush for? the use of torture, indefinite imprisonment without habeus corpus, killing civilians including women and children. Spying on Americans. Kowtowing to the banking idustry.

Obama is doing all of that and more. But this writer leaves all that unmentioned and thinks I should support this murderer, this war criminal, because the republicans are so awful. Well Obama is awful too. And if you don’t think he’ll betray his supporters after his re-election you are naive.

I don’t vote for republicans and I don’t vote for war criminals.

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By Wikileaks for Nobel, February 16, 2012 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment

Bill, you should listen to your own writing.  The GOP “want to” dismantle what remains of our historic protections such as Social Security.  Dear Leader (TM) in the WH does not “want to”...but when the issues appear to him, he will, you know, have no choice/be helpless/need to be realistic…etcetera.  I personally have been watching the misnamed Democratic Party do its bit for the 1% (aka “the ruling class”) for almost have a century, and it is fully part of the shell game that has steadily pushed our society to the edge.  The role of the GOP is to appear so crazy and extreme, that *of course* we will elect the Dems—so that they can proceed to dismantle, deregulate, subvert, and attack…all those things that would be so much woooorse if they had an R after them instead of a D. 

Whenever it comes to standing up to a judicial hijacking of an election; protecting us from predatory capital; keeping jobs and working conditions from being exported to the lowest bidder; and making government open, responsive, and honest…we can count on the Dems to give a drop kick to the groin every damned time, when it’s big stakes. 

This bad/worse cop game is meant to conceal the central fact of our political system:  we have no choice.  It’s War & Wall Street or War & Wall Street.  Given that “choice” I will support neither.

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By bigchin, February 16, 2012 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment
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I can not stop laughing.

“Haven’t they noticed that the Republicans want to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the rest of the economic protections for the poor and the middle class?”

Really, I mean it.. I could not get past your first sentence without erupting into laughter.

I guess we were too busy noticing that Obama wants to dismantle SS, Medicare, Medicaid and the safety net too.

And I would have thought that anyone with half a brain would resist heralding the “success” of Obama’s ACA, but you went there anyway…

Okay, I’ve stopped laughing now.

Let’s talk about the Constitution.  Let’s talk about the extra-judicial assassination of an American citizen and his 16 year old son.  Let’s talk about torture and rendition.  Let’s talk about un-prosecuted war crimes and new ones happening daily, the murder droning on and on…

Let’s talk about REPULSIVE PROGRESSIVE HYPOCRISY as exemplified by your Stepford Dem defense of the failed Obama White House…

Obama is a fraud. The Democrats are frauds.  The GOP is a fraud… Our government is a fraud

Throw them all out.

Vote third party.

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By Richard Raznikov, February 16, 2012 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment
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It would be instructive to learn whether anyone from the current administration
reads their mail. 

The Obama presidency has not ‘disappointed’ people, as Boyarsky writes, but
enraged us.  From the very beginning, with federal appointments of corporate
hookers such as Vilsack and banking felons such as Geithner, it has been
apparent that something was terribly wrong. 

We’ve seen this President betray every promise he made and everything he
claimed to stand for.  The ‘constitutional scholar’ has further broken the Bill of
Rights, extending the Patriot Act, pushing for the NDAA, jailing and torturing
Manning, and authorizing the assassination of Americans.  He’s expanded
domestic surveillance, started several wars, overthrown governments, and
escalated the use of remote-control killing machines. 

His administration has backed Monsanto and GMO foods, and weakened the
organic food movement; pushed for new nuclear plants even after Fukushima;
supported continued use of land mines and cluster bombs in the face of
international calls for their abolition. 

He’s chased after whistle blowers and closed down medical marijuana
dispensaries, increased standardized tests and lowered educational spending,
authorized British Petroleum to resume deep sea drilling, and given political
lawbreakers a free pass.  He’s taken millions in “campaign contributions” from
bankers and given banks a slap on the wrist for their criminal behavior. 

Be renewed the Bush tax cuts for billionaires. 

Yes, Mr. Boyarsky, we are well aware that the Republican Party’s leadership is
off its collective rocker.  Are you aware that Barack Obama has thrown away his
legislative advantage and sold us down the river on every issue worth arguing
about?  You may think people like me will buy the kind of argument peddled in
this article, that we’ll vote for Obama again anyway because ‘we have no choice.’ 

You, the President, and the frauds who run the Democratic Party are in for the
shock of your lives.

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By rumblingspire, February 16, 2012 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment
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“I’m glad he ordered the killing of Osama bin Laden”

well!  Shame on you!

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By Big B, February 16, 2012 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

Oh, I forgot, our “progressive” President just in the last two weeks has caved again to conservatives TWICE! first on birth control, and last the continued de-funding of social security through phony “tax cuts”.

Jebus, it’s like Ronny is back in the oval office.

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By Big B, February 16, 2012 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

It does not, however, bother me to get into name calling.

Boyarsky is nothing but a “progressive” shill. You know, one of those gutless dimmocrat leftovers from the 80’s who dropped trau in front of Ronny-Ray Guns and let him butslam them all the while he called them “dirty liberals” and hit them with a riding crop.

It’s sad to see just how far the dimmocrats have sunk. Every GOP move to the right was countered with a dimmo move in the same direction. The Dimmos have created a political spectrum in the US that swings from the right, to the far right. There is no left anymore, at least one with any political clout. President OBomber and his Clintonian scum friends have left true liberals with the same old choice we have had since 1968, the lesser of two evils (I don’t have to tell anyone that the lesser of two evils is still evil).

We on the true left need to be prepared to withold our votes from Barry in an attempt to force him and his “progressive” ilk back to the left. If we do not show him that we are indeed willing to stay home or vote a third party Barry wil just continue the dimmos slow drift to the right, all but guaranteeing americas downfall, albeit by as thousand cuts instead of the repugs quick march to the gallows. All lierals need to boycott the convention, not show up at rallys and campaign appearances. We need to make Barry BEG for out votes. And if he doesn’t, well, the nation will go down in flames anyway.

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By kerryrose, February 16, 2012 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

Doesn’t Mr Boyarsky hear Obama say the same thing?  I have heard Obama put Social Security on the table of his own accord with no one twisting his arm.

I am so afraid Republicans will dismantle Welfare (as we know it), too, God forbid!

Obama will save us from those terrible Republicans!

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By rend it, February 16, 2012 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

Umm Bill, i hate to call you names but, you are a boob. “this kind of health insurance bill designed to cover everybody,” was written by the insurance industry, it is deeply flawed, is it that hard for you to recall the details of those negotiations?

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By Marcospinelli, February 16, 2012 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment
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The “lesser of two evils”-argument doesn’t work anymore.

How can you say (and expect to be taken seriously) that Republicans are by far
worse when Obama’s continuing just about all the BushCheney policies, even
going BushCo one better: 

How do any of Obama’s ‘most ardent supporters ’ explain Obama’s doctrine
that presidents have the right to kill American citizens with no due process, no
oversight, NDAA, and his push for ‘indefinite preventive detention’ and no
transparency of anything a president asserts should be his secret? 

I don’t know how any Democrat can get behind this. 

And it’s Obama who’s put Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid on the
table.

At this point, I’d argue that Obama-Democrats are worse.  BushCheney make
no bones or excuses for what they’ve done and who they are, whereas Obama-
Democrats ran on knowing better. 

Consider our elections as a business plan where the ‘Corporate Masters Of The
Universe’ have charted out their plans years in advance and then they select the
politician with the personality that’s best able to achieve those plans in 4 year
increments.

If you want to lie the country into war for oil and profiteering, then George W
Bush is your man to front it, with Dick Cheney, the former Secretary of Defense
who initiated the privatizing of the military a decade earlier, actually running
the operation from the shadows. 

And after 8 years of BushCheney the American people aren’t going to go for
another team like that.  They’re going to want HOPE and CHANGE, with a
persona they can believe in and trust.  Barack Obama. 

Obama’s ‘most ardent admirers’ just like the packaging better.  I’m not talking
skin color, although that may be a factor for some of them; I’m talking about
how a ‘D’ after the name is a brand they trust believe and trust in, despite the
fact that it’s the same ‘soap’ (product).

We continue to support Obama-Democrats at the expense of our own best
interests. As long as his numbers remain high, he does the bidding of
corporations and establishment elites.  Look at what Obama’s done just lately: 

A foreclosure settlement where 85% of the mortgage transfers were no good
that fixes nothing and kicks the can yet again down the road
(http://my.firedoglake.com/cindykouril/2012/02/16/85-of-mortgage-
transfers-were-no-good/), and where governors can and are diverting the
settlement money to their states’ general funds to fill budgetary holes
(http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/02/15/tammy-baldwin-attacks-scott-
walker-for-diverting-foreclosure-fraud-settlement-money-to-fill-budget-
hole/),

The FAA Reauthorization Act that makes it harder for workers to organize
(http://www.salon.com/2012/02/15/obama_to_unions_see_you_next_year/),

Obama’s slowing of environmental rules
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/obama-
administration-weighs-political-cost-of-environmental-
rules/2012/02/07/gIQAvJzx8Q_story.html?hpid=z6)

Obama’s escalating government’s war on whistleblowers
(http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/sunday-review/a-high-tech-war-on-
leaks.html?_r=2&ref=adamliptak),

We’re still at war (http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/were-still-war-
photo-day-february-16-2012), expanding and escalating hostilities, $3 billion
wanted for Iraq alone (http://rt.com/usa/news/billion-war-iraq-us-215/)

Number of Americans without health insurance continues to rise
(http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2012/02/14/level-of-americans-without-
health-insurance-continues-to-rise/) - Remember that Obama and Democrats
were tasked with getting affordable quality medical care for everyone, not get
more business for insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

Why should Obama-Democrats do anything for us if they know they’ve got us
over a barrel, that we’re going to vote for them no matter what, because we’re
terrified of Republicans?

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By Jeff N., February 16, 2012 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

right on robert.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, February 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment
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Do we need any lesser of two evils drivel this time around?  And isn’t it a little early?

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By gerard, February 16, 2012 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

wELL, it’s obviously the pot and the kettle.  A lot depends on what Occupy can produce in this brief interim, doesn’t it?  Those of you who expect nothing may be surprised. I sincerely hope so.

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By Textynnt, February 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment
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The GOP is almost exclusively run by sociopaths.  The kind of people that went to slave auctions, bought and used slaves, and beat people and denied them any life outside of being a beaten animal for abuse and exploitation.

These people, like the slave traders and users before them, were respected wealthy people and told the world they were good religious people. That’s who these people are. Be aware of who you are being taught to accept as decent.  American has let monster run the show and they need to get rid of them, and sue them, and impeach them, and reject them in thought word and deed.

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By entropy2, February 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment

Eeeek, I’m so afraid the Republicans might sell us out to the corporate plutocracy and might tighten the security state’s chokehold and might fight undeclared wars and might indefinitely detain or kill citizens without a trial and might persecute whistleblowers and might…

...oh.

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By Robert Johnson, February 16, 2012 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment
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As I recall, it was President Obama who put Social Security and Medicare “on the table” last summer without even being asked by his Republican opponents. You’re crazy if you think there’s any difference between the parties now, and people like you who continue to repeat the same, old arguments against fighting for change are the true obstacle to progress. Both parties are equally to be feared, and if nothing else the Democrats deserve to be punished for betraying us.

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