Our Founders never said Freedom and Justice would be easy.
Easy is when some Monarch or dictator or Pope makes all the decisions. It’s easier when the Nobles decided your socio economic status. You are then nothing more than a mere ‘victim of circumstances’.
FYI -‘undogs’are often that because they are Losers.
The Rigthwing is absolutely correct to think people are out to get them. We are to finally put a stake in their political hearts. We are standing in the Rubble of their Reign right now.
So yes Sarah the Left wingers are out to destroy your political future. Yes Hagee the ‘sinners’ are out to wage a war with you, but we will be on the side only weilding words, not weapons. And Rush and Glenn we are out to silence your ideas, they have been the root of Human evils since the dawn of time. Fear, hate, envy, slothe, gluttony, arrogance, and greed- attributes discouraged by any civilized society.
It will be Women who dismiss the Sarahs (and Michelles)in competition. It will be True Monotheists who bring down the Armegeddonist under any symbol and True Americans who will silence shockjocks.

Our Founders never said Freedom and Justice would be easy.
Easy is when some Monarch or dictator or Pope makes all the decisions. It’s easier when the Nobles decided your socio economic status. You are then nothing more than a mere ‘victim of circumstances’.
FYI -‘undogs’are often that because they are Losers.
The Rigthwing is absolutely correct to think people are out to get them. We are to finally put a stake in their political hearts. We are standing in the Rubble of their Reign right now.
So yes Sarah the Left wingers are out to destroy your political future. Yes Hagee the ‘sinners’ are out to wage a war with you, but we will be on the side only weilding words, not weapons. And Rush and Glenn we are out to silence your ideas, they have been the root of Human evils since the dawn of time. Fear, hate, envy, slothe, gluttony, arrogance, and greed- attributes discouraged by any civilized society.
It will be Women who dismiss the Sarahs (and Michelles)in competition. It will be True Monotheists who bring down the Armegeddonist under any symbol and True Americans who will silence The Shockjocks.

richard vjas, fantastic comments about the Repubicans not wanting a trial about anything 9/11 being they are afraid of what information might be revealed.  It’s really that simple and concise. The two proverbs “me thinks dost hast protest too much”,Shakespeare and “those who yell the loudest have the most too hide” author unknown, are all that is needed for an explanation on the Repubicans motivation for not wanting the truth revealed about 9/11 which they have been against since 9/11, the opposition to the 9/11 Commission, it’s funding and especially Bush[the hand puppet] and Cheney [the puppet master] being questioned together and refusing to do so under oath.

Give them a fair trial and watch them walk away with “not guilty” verdict. But this is not going to happen. After the verdict “guilty on all accounts” is rendered, one of the dirtiest pages of the American history book will be turned and the official story of the 9/11 tragedy will be bulletproof and sealed forever.

To Big B:
  I agree.  But note a quote from Shakespeare, “First hang all the lawyers.”

To scotttpot: 
  Amen, Sir.  The founding fathers had a lot more to be scared of.  Per Franklin, “He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.”  Honestly, Al Qaeda is less a threat than the maniacs who drive on our interstates, not to mention the home invasion thugs in our cities.

The information about the hard drives is interesting but not required. The information about what went on among stockbrokers and investors on 9/11 has been covered by many sources.

There are stories of people displaying foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, but few are as damming as what happened on Wall Street in the weeks leading up to the attacks. They don’t call the stock market the ‘casino’ for nothing. You can even bet on whether or not other people are going to lose. It’s called a ‘put option’ and it’s a bet on whether or not a stock will lose value.  The way it works is that put options allow the people who own them to benefit financially from a drop in the value of stock by buying it at market price and then selling it at the higher option price. A call option is a bet on whether or not a stock will rise in value. The ratio of put options to call options is called the ‘put/call’ ratio. This ratio is usually less than one and 0.8 is considered the norm (9-11 Research, Profiting from a Loss) but in the days leading up to 9/11 there was a huge spike in put options involving the two airlines involved in the hijackings, American Airlines and United Airlines, and also reinsurance companies and financial services companies that would stand to lose stock value after the 9/11 attacks when the stock market opened again. The spikes in put options purchased occurred on days when there was no known event that would have made this happen.

‘On September 6-7 when there was no significant news or stock price movement involving United, the Chicago exchange handled 4,744 put options for UAL stock, compared with just 396 call options, which are essentially bets that the stock will rise. On September 10, an uneventful day for American (Airlines), the volume was 748 calls and 4,516 puts based on a check of option trading records’ (9-11 Research). The Bloomberg News reported that put options rose to an incredible high of 285 times their average.
‘When the market reopened after the attack, United Airlines stock fell 42 percent from $30.82 to $17.50 per share, and American Airlines stock fell 39 percent, from $29.70 to $18.00 per share’ (9-11 Research).
And when that happened the people who bought all those put options –inevitably - made a lot of money

Not long after 9/11 the SEC put out a list to securities firms around the world looking for information. Stocks flagged by the SEC included the following corporations:
American Airlines, United Airlines, Continental Airlines, Northwest Airlines, Southwest Airlines, US Airways, Martin, Boeing, Lockheed Martin Corporation, AIG, American Express Corporation, American International Group, AMR Corporation, AXA SA, Bank of America Corporation, Bank of New York Corporation, Bank One Corporation, Cigna Group, CAN Financial, Carnival Corporation, Chubb Group, John Hancock Financial Services, Hercules Incorporated, L-3 Communications Holdings, LTV Corporation, Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc, MetLife, Progressive Corporation, General Motors, Raytheon, W.R. Grace, Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd, Lone Star Technologies, American Express, The Citigroup Inc., Royal & Sun Alliance, Lehman Brothers Holdings Incorporated, Vornado Reality Trust, Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter & Co., XL Capital Ltd. And Bear Stearns.

Mostly the usual suspects in other words.

Anarcissie is correct. When asked in political conversations whether I am a repug or dimmocrat I respond neither, I am a liberal, thereby I have no party representing my views.

We who think (not believe) that 9/11 suspects should receive fair trials are far more patriotic than any flag sucking, gun toting morons. Why you ask, because we think the system works, and will work when applied even in these most difficult cases. Especially when the cases are difficult. For if the system doesn’t work under less than ideal circumstances, we have the wrong system.

Hey, I am no fan of lawyers and our clogged up courts, but just think folks, it beats the alternative. We could have no lawyers, no courts, and no civilization.

LemuelG, November 19 at 5:28 pm:
‘Ugh, truthers… maybe it’s time for the ‘left’ to admit that the ‘right’ does not have any kind of monopoly on political paranoia and hysteria….’

Sure, but the Left does not have a political party.  The Right has two parties, the moderate Democrats and the Republicans, who seem to have fallen off the edge of the world.  The kind of language being used by many supposedly responsible Republican legislators, party leaders and pundits seems like a complete surrender to hysteria.  It is pretty strange if you’re old enough to remember when “Republican” meant the likes of Taft and Eisenhower.

Hysteria is all that the GOP has left. And spreading it is about the only thing they’re good at:

http://bit.ly/fxv3G

(satire)

What is so patriotic about continuing to be terrified of Al-Qaeda ? There hasn*t been one American killed in America in Eight Years by an Al- Qaeda member. Al-Qaeda was hyped by the military/security/corporate/media complex.

The GOP has largely abandoned rationality and statesmanship as guiding principles.  They saw how successful Bush was at using the conservative noise machine to gin up a war on Iraq.  Now they have adopted hysteria as a tool, hoping that shouting “Fire” and “The sky is falling” will goad people into supporting them.

This has not been working out so well, however, as the number of people who identify themselves as GOPERS continues to decline.  There is talk that the party may split into even smaller pieces with the Glenn Beck/teabagger piece splintering off into oblivion.

I say let them scream all they can, in fact I’d even hand them some Cloraseptic spray if they get hoarse. Scream it from the rooftops, into every town hall, into every microphone you can find.  Every time a GOPER screams hysterically, an angel giggles.

-Wexler

Ugh, truthers… maybe it’s time for the ‘left’ to admit that the ‘right’ does not have any kind of monopoly on political paranoia and hysteria - and put their own house in order before whining of their political opponents lunatic ravings.

I rebuke an author for failing to reference and for providing insufficient evidence to back-up his claims and I inspire a torrent of indignance and outrage - some lunatic ass-hole (teenaged-troll) starts raving about false-flag attacks and regurgitating Hitler’s favorite fantasy of a world-wide zionist conspiracy(and so-on… *yawn* what next? Holocaust denial?) and there isn’t a peep..?

American political discourse has been reduced to a couple of insane hobos embroiled in a fight to the death over who’s version of the apocalypse is the correct one… time to grow up.

There are a million good reasons to try these murderous fuck-wits in an American court; this continued reluctance to abide by the principles of her own justice system has done more harm to American credibility around the world than any other factor (y’know, with the kidnappings, torture,  assassinations, indefinate detention etc.).

If you want to know what the real terrorism we all face on a daily basis now and for many years into the future is, try to watch a doco called “Addicted to Money”. Warning: sleepless nights will follow, especially after the second part which deals with overpopulation and peak oil. You might be able to watch it on the internet by going to http://www.abc.net.au/addicted to money.

Jeff Sessions looked like some strange impressionist mimicking an irate Elmer Fudd when he literally shrieked at the Atty. Gen. Holder yesterday.  Fortunately, Mr. Holder was able to keep a relatively cool demeanor in the face of trumped up indignation by Sessions and other various Repugs. 
    The terrorists are neither religious nor patriotic - they adhere to no national allegiances or appreciation for the divine in any way.  They are basically a loose collection of thugs who use fear and enjoy having power over others.  They are demented serial killers getting their rocks off on bedlam and gore. Any connection to Islam or the middle east is purely coincidental - just fabricated paper ranting. 
  In this, terrorists are like the self-proclaimed “patriots” who criticize anyone who opposes them for any reason.  The whole purpose in their vituperative is just to stir up trouble - then sit back and enjoy the consternation of their opponents. 
    Even when KSM and others meet their legal doom, Repugs and the pseuod-patriots will not be satisfied - they will still complain that the prosecution was not performed to their satisfaction.  We will hear garbage like death by injection is too humane.
    The right-wingers just want to go back to the days of William Wallace and have all the perpetrators drawn and quartered in public arenas.

I’ve found the hysteria among politicians and media about trying the alleged terrorists in regular court quite remarkable.  However, I don’t think it’s because they know some secret; I think in most cases they are simply used to spreading fear and confusion in order to pump up their repute and profits.  A number of people have pointed out the glaring contradictions in archthug Rudy Giuliani’s opinion of the matter.  Of course, if they’re Republicans, then anything the Administration does is wrong by definition, but plenty of Democrats have joined the chorus.  It’s really quite a spectacle.  Take note of the people participating in it for future reference.

“Who needs censorship when we have self-censorship. When news is being withheld, or neutralized, at best, how can we expect anything but cynicism from those who read our daily papers? Maybe the reason many aren’t buying newspapers isn’t that they can get information for free on the Internet, but because they don’t believe what they read, and how can they?”
(Jane Lyn Stahl)
This column, as so many others, begins with a demonstrably false assumption by pinning the blame on foreigners for what was, in fact, a US self-inflicted wound, a false-flag operation with the intent to continue US wars and war funding (always at the expense of programs of social uplift) in the absence of the previous but now-displaced boogey-man of the MIC, the alleged “International Communist Conspiracy.”  The evidence of official US planning and participation in 9/11 is overwhelming, the facts are everywhere and damning, and those singled out in the official myth as the perpetrators, with “confessions” obtained by US-sanctioned torture, are not the ones that should be brought before the bar of justice.  No, it is our own officials, acting under the cover of high office, that justice demands be put under oath.

To quote from this self-serving and myopic article itself, compare these two statements:
“The right to a trial—indeed, all the rights afforded to criminal defendants under the Constitution—is not apportioned according to what the defendants supposedly deserve. What they deserve is, in fact, precisely what a fair trial is designed to determine.”  Fair enough, but that hardly squares with these phrases: “As a nation, we should have the confidence to make the case against these murderers…” and “he should be buried in a “supermax” prison, from which nobody has ever escaped, and left to rot.”  Sounds to me as if Mr Conason, before the facts are presented, has, along with practically all of the corporate MSM, already decided their guilt and proper punishment.  One thing is absolutely certain, those officially accused by the official conspiracy myth will never get a fair trial in the United States.
“There have been times, living in America of late, when it seemed I was back in the Communist Moscow I left a dozen years ago. Switch to cable TV and reporters breathlessly relay the latest wisdom from the usual unnamed ‘senior administration officials’... Everyone, it seems, is on-side and on-message. Just like it used to be when the hammer and sickle flew over the Kremlin.”
(Rupert Cornwell in the London-based Independent newspaper)
“The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd.”
(Bertrand Russell)
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
(Thomas Jefferson)
“No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine.”
(William Blum)
“Look, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you’re stupid. Did you hear that? - stupid.”
(Arthur Sylvester, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs, 1965)
“The news and truth are not the same thing.”
(Walter Lippmann)
“To initiate a war of aggression ... is not only an international crime, it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”
(International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, Germany - 1946)

“we should have the confidence to make the case against these murderers according to our laws and Constitution”

One of these words is not like the others.

If you presume they are “murderers”, why bother to give them a fair trial, Mr. Conason?

Is the CIA still holding KSM’s children?

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=aafter091102#aafter091102

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/confess/

Timothy McVeigh, a domestic terrorist, was tried. On a per capita basis McVeighs body count of a 169 was roughly equivalent to the body count of the 9/11 terrorists.Holder is to me commended, for this action only, not to capitulate to the lynch mob of FAUX TV, Beck and his ilk. If the lynch mob is so fearful of the American justice system it only means that they want a dictatorship whereby the rule of law is eliminated for hysterical whims of the lynchers. The NAZI’s had such a system as did Stalin and just because Hitler and Stalin are dead does not mean their consciousness of terrorism does not exist, especially here in the USA which had several NAZI sympathizers in the 1930’s Prescott Bush being among them.

Too bad Barry Jennings can’t testify for the prosecution.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/barry-jennings-speaks/

Show me the money.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/the-ghost-in-the-machines-the-mystery-of-the-wtc-hard-drive-recoveries/

there is nothing patriotic in fear mongering, whether right wing or left wing. 

why, we only have a few years left in our 10 years that al gore have given us for delaying the “tipping point” to where our weather will become unmanageable, the tornadoes will run across our midwest, the hurricanes, one after another, will decimate our coasts, new york and miami will be underwater.

why don’t we have a color coded chart for global warming?  that way i could worry about them both at the same time.

Buckle up. The ride is about to begin.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/black-box/

Joe’s column is total nonsense and, in retrospect, a total waste of my precious time but alas I must comment further…..  If you want to know the true reason for not wanting this trial held in New York City listen to the neo-cons/zionists…. Boy did anyone witness Mortimer Zuckerman on Morning Joe yesterday???  He was going absolutely ape-shit over the prospect of an open trial….  The zionists are afraid of what these guys will say as to Why they prematurely ended all the lease agreements at the World Trade Center…  The neo-cons/zionists are afraid that Israel will be named as the main reason for their intense hatred of America… 
“Gee, ya mean George Bush lied to us about them hating us because of our freedom?”

Joe,Joe, Joe! For God’s sake splash your face with water and wake up. The only reason these craven, criminal cowards are screeching about the trial of these patsies is because they’re mortal afraid of what might come out about their own activities in the days leading up to 9/11 and on 9/11 itself. As one simpering media commentator said: “Rudi Giuliani’s distress is personal”. Yeah, I’ll bet it is. How long do you get for treason, these days? As for patriotism: the only connection between patriotism and these murderous maniacs is the saying that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Hang ‘em high, but waterboard all of them first and throw them at the walls the way they did the poor bastards they illegally held in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. And all this palaver about an attack on the courthouse: according to Bruce Shapiro that courthouse had been bombed so many times no one’s counting any more and it is now virtually a fortress. I’m reasonably confident that there won’t be an attack unless Dick Cheney decides to burst in flourishing two guns and crying ‘Show me the money!’