Assertions are not the same as facts.  This is a technique perfected by right wing
pundits to lend credence to their point of view.  They begin with an assertion,  then
make their point based on the the assertion which they made up out of whole
cloth.

I think it’s funny that people blame immigrants for lowering the pay of American
workers when it’s the employers (Americans) who are destroying living wage jobs
by hiring the immigrants for less.

There must be a Master Plan where the One-World- Government is divided between the Rich and the Poor.  Soon the Middle Class will be an archaic ‘thing of the past’, but the Rich will continue to enjoy their servants who cook and clean for them and take care of their well-manicured lawns no matter where in the big wide world they decide to have their McMansions.

A moratorium on all immigration—-including “high-skilled” immigrants who will be given preference over Americans for the highest paying jobs—-until unemployment is below 5%.

No amnesty. No deportation on a massive scale. These are not viable options. Get the
people who’re in the US without citizenship to come forward. Or round them up
peaceably and humanely and offer them citizenship or work visas or a working visa/path
to citizenship. Or if they do not want either - they leave. Either way they must choose.
This would be the ‘amnesty.’ The process to citizenship must be stream lined to five
years. Immigrants can stay and work toward citizenship and pay taxes. The immigrants
who want to work here and not be citizens can pay taxes also. The law that says if you
are born in the US and you are an automatic citizen should be amended to if you are
born in the US to a US citizen then you are an American citizen.

8. 
The lead attorney Paul Clement, for the State of Arizona, pushed two arguments at the hearing. First, this administration failure to enforce immigration laws has caused a calamity in Arizona that made it indispensable to enact SB 1070. Second, SB 1070 is not preempted since it does not conflict with federal law or fabricate its own system of immigration rulings. Instead it emulates federal law and aids the central government to impose it.

The recent poll about the Arizona’s Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act, SB 1070 shows:
•  65% of voters favor the law, while 31% oppose it.
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•  84% of Republicans favor Arizona’s law, while 46% of Democrats do. A 51% majority of Democrats opposes the law.
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•  Independents favor the law by a 40 percentage-point margin, 67% in favor, 27% in opposition.
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•  72% of voters who live in the West and 69% of voters who live in the Midwest approve of the Arizona immigration law, compared to 61% of voters who live in other regions of the country.
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•  No administration or its predecessors have secured the border fence. Both political parties have failed miserably to protect this country from the illegal alien occupation.  Additionally the American voter must push, track and use the severe pressure of their vote to verbally intimidate every Republican, Democrat and Liberal, informing them that they will unseat them.  It is imperative that whatever the outcome of the Arizona court conflict, is to force passage of E-Verify.  E-Verify mandated law would authenticate whether somebody can get employment or not? Other persons flagged will have the choice of clearing up their problem with the Social Security administration near them?
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•    Voters must demand from GOP House speaker John Boehner, to stop blocking the bipartisan E-Verify “THE LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT” from being initiated in Congress by Texas Senator Lamar Smith. Taxpayers are continuously afflicted at the hands of dishonest politicians who have sold us into financial bondage by allowing illegal immigration to persist almost unimpeded in coming here. A second law to support The Legal Workforce Act H.R. 2885 is to amend the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011 (H.R.140); the country cannot maintain in subsidizing billions of dollars being extracted from the 50 states? Not just the bad politicians should be thrown out of office, but state Governors, Mayors, Judges and all elected officials, and substitute them with Fresh Tea Party leaders who will insure everybody gets their fair share of the American Dream and enforce all laws attributed to the Constitution and the Rule of Law.
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•  Their seemingly no consequences of expectant Mothers smuggled across our border fences, who fly in just to take advantage of the U.S. unfunded mandates laws for hospital deliveries and that taxpayers are on the hook for years.  Don’t know who to phone in Washington, and then call 202-224-3121?  The switchboard will connect you with your Representatives aid, and then you tell him you’re angry?  Every prospective contender, including Mitt Romney would be well advised to read the immigration sullen statistics advanced by “The Heritage Foundation”. According to American Federation of Immigration Reform (FAIR) there is a 2.5 Trillion dollars price tag to legitimize the 20 million plus Illegal’s who have already settled here? All patriotic Americans, citizens or legal residents and should join your local TEA PARTY chapter. The Tea Party is the people’s party and it welcomes every citizen and lawful resident who came to America legally. On the American Patrol website,  covers the illegal alien issue, but a daily helping of the e-media from the National media, revealing everything that is against “the Rule of law’ and the sovereignty of this nation, constantly apathetic by Obama people.

@NANYBC
—-but talk to the long-term unemployed American carpenters who have seen their wages crushed from $18-25/hour decades ago, to now $8/hour.—-

That is exactly the problem here. One can, barely, live on $8/hour wages ($1300/month) while supporting a family. In many parts of the USA the cost of living is higher than that actually.

Yet many jobs pay even less than that, leaving a family with unpalatable choices like having both parents have several jobs for more than 8 hours per day in total, or doing away with living in a house.

So an American will not take that job because it is less than useful. They can not live on it, at least not the way American society defines living, and entering that line of profession they are locked in it, unable to get better jobs in the future. They will be living on subsistence until the day they day (young, from accident or malnourishment or easily prefentable medical conditions).

The illegal immigrants on the other hand can take these jobs because they do not expect to stay, because even the lower income is still higher than they could get at home (allowing them to save money) and because they have very little expensive needs (seeing how they are sleeping in hovels, tents and barracks and work too long hours to have any leisure time).

Economically speaking the problem is lack of productivity. A job needs to be either productive (making more money than it cost) or necessary (in which case generally the society is expected to pay for it). It turns out there are a lot of jobs that are not sufficiently productive at even $8/hour wages but that we still want to be done. If mechanisation were possible it would already have been done. This leaves either subsidising them (i.e. raising taxes to pay for them) or lowering the wages further (either by offshoring the work or by hiring people who can work for less than what is needed to survive). Initially the choice was made to hire illegals who can or do work for lower wages. And increasingly the choice is made to use subsidised slave labour in the form of chain gangs. Which says a lot about the state of the union.

(p.s. the next logical step in this regression is corporations building barracks and dormitories for their workers. Uni-sex of course as they would not want their indentured workers being distracted by anything during their 14 hour workdays) with children staying in the women’s baracks until they are 6, after that they get a 2 year training program before being put to work. And the most trusted peons may get the right to marry and have a two room apartment of their own (want to reward slavish cooperation after all…). Women naturally are encouraged to get pregnant often so the corporation has an garantueed influx of new workers to replace those it uses up and tosses aside.)

11 million illegals is still a lot of illegals. Eugene Robinson would sing a different tune if they were putting him out of work, or forcing him to work for 20% of whatever he makes now.

@Surfboy

Actually, illegals coming to work in the USA is not breach and trespass, but willing to work for less than subsistence.
In other words: Americans want to have the work done but are unwilling to pay for it. Illegal immigrants do not, generally, have a house of their own, nor a car or children’s tuition and being illegal do not qualify for health care insurance. All these things they do not have to pay for are things their ‘employers’ to not pay them for. The work gets done and much more cheaply than an american -could- work for.

And if the supply for these illegal workers dries up the unemployed americans are not champing at the bit to take over, simply because they can not live on $1/h salaries.
And so the employers resort to other options of labour that allows them to not pay a living wage to their workers. Mostly they use slave labour in the form of chain gangs (and then have the gall to complain about them not working very hard), but I suppose they would not mind to be able to draw from a permanent underclass of people who work for subsistence level income without the ability to ever save any money, until the day they get an accident or a disease and get tossed by the wayside like so much roadkill, or simply drop dead from being overworked and underfed.

American exceptionalism indeed.

I am recurrently impressed the east coasty-types have no idea what the illegal
immigration problem looks like up close. Add to that the insularity of having never
earned a pay check with a shovel, and we get this gross insensitivity to the plight
of Americans and Legal immigrants.
The pay of our labor-intensive jobs is depressed. (competition)
The cost of housing is raised. (competition)
The quality of education possible for our kids is diminished. (overcrowded)
Billions os dollars earned in the US are not spent here, but sent “home.”
The possibility of paying for health care for all has disappeared.(nobody is denied)

Mexico needs a second Revolution to rid itself of the oligarchy and run the country
for the benefit of all its people, but we delay that day of justice by providing the
pressure valve.