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By Bill Boyarsky

The “Scooter” Libby scandal revealed an unsavory side of mainstream journalism.  But a more telling example of seamy media conduct has been exposed by the tale of Don Imus and his journalistic lap dogs.

In the case of Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, the issue was whether Washington journalists, often too chummy with their sources, got stories from them after promising confidentiality.  The stories were not actually news but rather were efforts to further the Bush administration’s political agenda, or, as in the case of Valerie Plame, part of an attempt to punish an enemy.

This was bad.  But confidential sources also help disclose corruption and conflicts of interest, and they often shed light on how decisions are made.  While journalistic ethicists decry such sources, reporters covering city halls and state capitols around the country can’t do without them.  Neither can the public.

The Imus story reflects something else.  It shows elite journalists becoming part of a club they shouldn’t join, sharing the values of those they are supposed to cover.  It’s a stuffy club composed generally of middle-aged or older white men who, while differing on partisan politics, share a comfortable don’t-rock-the-boat view of the world.  In this club, Imus is the loudmouth in the locker room with a gutter style the more refined members probably envy.

As is now well known, Imus, whose New York morning radio show was simulcast on MSNBC (the network has since dropped his show), had a dialogue with his producer, Bernard McGuirk, last week about the predominantly African-American Rutgers University women’s basketball team, which made it to the NCAA finals before losing to Tennessee.

“That’s some nappy-headed hos there,” Imus said to McGuirk. “That’s some rough girls from Rutgers. Man, they got tattoos. ...”

“Some hard-core hos,” McGuirk said.

“That’s some nappy-headed hos there, I’m going to tell you that,” Imus repeated.

Imus is a shock jock, a Howard Stern who is interested in politics.  His substantial radio and television audiences have made his show a favorite destination of political guests such as Sens. Joe Lieberman, Joe Biden and John McCain.

That’s fine.  Politicians will go almost anywhere for an audience.  What I don’t like is the cadre of top journalists who have become Imus regulars, basking, like the politicians, in the spotlight of a popular show. Fellow club members, they came to his defense.

As Imus’ friend Howard Fineman of Newsweek put it, as quoted by the Media Matters website, “all of us who do your show, you know, we’re part of the gang.  And we rely on you the way you rely on us.”

When Tom Oliphant, a Boston Globe columnist, appeared on the Imus show the Monday after the racist Imus-McGuirk exchange, he began, according to a transcript on the Media Matters site, by saying, “Good morning, Mr. Imus, and solidarity forever, by the way.” He referred to guests such as himself as Imus’ “constituency” and as members of “your regular posse.”

Then on Tuesday morning, I watched Jeff Greenfield of CBS chat with Imus on the phone, giving the beleaguered jock what amounted to public relations advice on how to get out of his mess. 

For journalists, who are supposed to be unbiased, this is getting too close, having too many friends in high places, and, most tempting of all, surrendering to the lure of the spotlight.

It’s easy to do.  During a brief moment of fame, when I was writing columns on the O.J. Simpson murder trial, I’d go almost anywhere in town to be on television, fighting the Los Angeles midday traffic on Wilshire Boulevard for a shot on the E! network, getting up early to be on CNN. The anonymity of print life gave way to sudden and satisfying visibility.

Membership in the elite club brings more than exposure on the Imus show.  Punditry abounds on the networks’ Sunday shows and on cable seven days a week.  From these generally unpaid appearances come lecture opportunities, some of them lucrative, and, if the pundit so desires, book contracts—and, after publication, book sales.  Being a part of this club and having such an influential “posse” protecting him was of inestimable value to Imus, especially since this was at least his second strike.

A New York Daily News columnist reported a few years ago that Imus had referred to PBS’ Gwen Ifill, an African-American journalist formerly with The New York Times, as a “cleaning lady.” His exact quote, as reported by columnist Lars-Erik Nelson, was, “Isn’t the New York Times wonderful? It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House.”

“Why do my journalistic colleagues appear on Mr. Imus’ program?” Ifill asked in a piece in The New York Times on Tuesday. They not only appeared, but they defended him, giving him credibility.  Imus escaped with a two-week suspension.  If Imus had been a nobody shock jock in a small market, he would have been fired for the same offense or less.  Turns out that, this time, he pushed his act too far—Imus was fired by CBS on April 12.

There’s been a lot of hand-wringing by journalism critics about the buddy behavior of the media elite and the political elite, especially with the old-fashioned fraternity-house-style skits during the White House Correspondents dinner. (After Stephen Colbert was truly and viciously funny, he was not invited back.)

That’s bad, but a better example of what’s wrong with the system is the saga of Imus and his “posse.”

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By richard locicero, April 17, 2007 at 7:10 pm #
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I want to get back to the core argument here - the positively incestuous relationship that existed between Imus and many of the Great and the Good in the DC Media World. I’ll forgive the politicians for going on the I Man’s program. They’re in the popularity business and Imus had an audience that, I’m sure, their consultants told them were worth reaching.

But what was the excuse for Oliphant or Russert or Greenfield? To sell books? Well, yes I suppose he did help them flack their books (did you get as tired as I did of hearing about the wit and wisdom of “Big Russ?") and boost their importance as people in the know. And look at what happened to those who would call Imus on his remarks. Clarence Page did that and drew a promise of better behaviour and then was never asked back.

And these media types. It is a cliche by now but true - the DC Media world is like a giant High School and the big players are the kewl kids running the place. And so the famous echo chamber. My favorite recent example is the insistance that Nancy Pelosi was harming the Dems by he “Controvcersial”
stands and trips to places like Syria. Bush would mop up the floor with her. Well see the latest polls - she’s the most popular pol in Washington and the public thinks she was right to go. But it is true, as Glenn Greenwald writes in SALON, the Bush base is down to hard-core Republicans the DC Punditocracy. Is it any wonder that they saw nothing wrong in going on Imus?

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By Bob Zimmerman, April 17, 2007 at 5:12 pm #
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First of all I could not understand why MSNBC had Imus on in the morning. He was certainly not funny, and his brand of humor if that’s what you called it was of the “good ole boy” variety. Why the media sucked up to this guy is baffling, but this is the same group who gave Bush a pass on Iraq after 9/11.  The media needs to start doing their jobs as members of the fourth estate again. Imus represented the lowest common dominator of our society - the media too often overlooked that.

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By tdbach, April 16, 2007 at 8:47 am #
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Who wins, who loses? The losers here are Imus and his celebrity defenders - and Sharpton, Jackson, and the celebrity critics. The Rutgers team was wounded but vindicated.

The winner is the media business. They always win. It’s like Merrill Lynch: it doesn’t matter whether stock go up or down, as long as they’re being traded, ML is making money.

Imus’s shtick is the curmudgeonly anti-PC everyman. He plays mostly to a conservative crowd, but really to anyone who still has strains of racism, sexism, authority issues (don’t we all!) but who doesn’t really want to give that up and who feel good to have those feelings given voice and made light of.  He’s not a shock jock in the Stern mode, but he’s supposed to push the envelope, take risks. That’s what he’s paid for. That’s what CNBC and CBS have been cashing in on all these years.

Then he crosses a line. It’s bound to happen. A mini wave of controversy develops. The media (when I say media here, I mean the business end of it, including producers who want to build audience, not the creative) see another opportunity to make money. Do you think Reverend Al called the Today show or MSNBC to ask to be put on the air, ‘cause he had something to say? Of course not. They called him – and Jesse – because they knew they’d pump up the volume, build the wave. They knew their comments would be controversial in themselves. They knew other celebrities would weigh in (it’s hard to pass up a cone of light on a big stage). The wave grows, drawing viewers in its current, and the water is green with money – for the media.

NBC may have been surprised that the gambit would result in having to pull a cash cow from their milking machine. But they’ll find a new machine to plug him into – maybe XM radio will pay big bucks to counter Stern’s pull on Sirius. (Directing Imus to do more shock and less awe).

Imus, Al, Jessie – they’re tending their bruises. CBS, NBC, Fox? They’re counting their money.

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By anonymous, April 16, 2007 at 6:21 am #
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we, in the general population do have something in common with mr. imus’ core viewers: we are likely to use the same products that sponsors the network and his program.  i knew mr. imus would eventually find a way to REALLY put his foot in it and he did, saving his most vicious and dehumanizing comments for women, black women in particular. so when the time came for commericial sponsors to weigh in on this matter, i welcomed it. i’m tired of paying mr. imus with my product loyalty to essentially insult me. it’s already bad enough that he thinks he’s smarter than the rest of us. don’t ask me to be THAT stupid! oh, and by the way, there is a place where his media and political buddies can “let their hair down” and exercise those first amendment rights we all value: it’s called THE PUB!

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By dg, April 14, 2007 at 9:06 pm #
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The fact that there is even a debate about this points to a more subtle and insidious fact of an America that is willing to give a pass to Don Imus and accept institutionalized racism. When should this end if not now. How do we attempt to end this? By the way, you can not equate what Imus said with what rappers say and do because 1: He targeted and referenced the women of Rutgers directly with some of the most hurtful language that anyone can say in a very public forum and 2: He is a white man talking about black women. This exacerbates the first point somewhat (he might as well have called them n*!!#rs) but if Imus were black and he made the same remark he would have faced the same fate I believe. But, could we imagine if it were a black man targeting and making direct, disparaging remarks about a white woman or a white woman’s team? Hummm; I wonder what would have happened to him? We are not talking about free speech here. Imus broke no laws but was employed by a company who had to make a decision to keep him or fire him. Just like if I’m a waiter at a restaurant and walk up to a patron and say out loud so that everyone can hear “you are a nasty looking b*@%h; you need some help in the looks department”. There is zero debate about if I should be fired or not and what would mitigate the fact that I made such a remark? The fact that I volunteer at a cancer ward 4 days a week? 

It’s time we realize that institutionalized, casual racism is the card Imus played and thought he could get away with it and that notion is being bolstered by all the people who don’t understand this or have an issue about why he was fired. Don Imus and his employers have a position of influence and they also have a supreme responsibility that goes along with it. I grew up with Don Imus. In my book I don’t think he is a bad person at all. He did make a bad decision that cost him dearly but he made the decision and he has take the responsibility, like the person who has a few drinks and gets in his car and kills someone by mistake.

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By Don Knutsen, April 14, 2007 at 8:56 pm #
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I’m no fan of Imus, or any of the so called “shock Jocks” who make their fortune just being sensational at everyone’s expense. But , having said that...if that same slur had been uttered by say Dave Chapell, or any one of the black comedians, would there have been any up roar at all ? As has been stated by so many other comments to this article, its a double standard and a gutless media, that williingly knuckles under to being spoonfed the news by a corrupt administration but freaks over a knee-jerk reaction from Al Sharpton who we all know does everything with his audience in mind. Their outrage seems misplaced....this wouldv’e blown over as soon as the limited memory of the audience switched to something else...say a day or two if not for the constant reminder from the media. If our media networks had a backbone, they’d voice some amount of outrage at the lies they bought into and spread to us all these past six years, lies that had a hell of alot more reprocussions then this slur will have. The Girls on the Rutger’s team did not diserve this comment, and did not deserve the disruption and spotlite that followed either.This is just another Michael Jackson, Nicole (whats her name) , moment...its called “Info-tainment” and thats all our media seems capable of delivering to us.

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By Cindy, April 14, 2007 at 7:36 pm #
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Let me assure you that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not representatives of all African Americans. Just like Imus is a representative of all Caucasians.
These are opportunist and if you look at each case of where Al Sharpton shows his hypocritical head you will soon find out he is being paid by those very same corporations who hired Imus.

What Imus said was ignorant and uncalled for an the only people he need to apologize to was the women at Rutgers. These media outlets wanted rating and controversy and they got both.

As far as Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson look at who host their radio show...Clear Channel,then you can see why I say they are hypocritics.

Imus has been on the air for damn near 8 years and not one word for Sharpton or Jackson but now that Sharpton is campaigning with Hillary CLinton he thinks he is the mouthpiece for African Americans..well let me assure you he is not.

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By joey, April 14, 2007 at 6:19 pm #
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Just imagine if someone had fired Limbaugh 40 years ago.
What kind of country would it be?
Reagan would be in a old actors home. Gingrich would teaching badly in a small college. Nixon would have stayed in the grocery business. Cheney would have been caught by “To Catch a Predator”. G.W. would still driving small oil businesses into bankruptcy. And his dad would still be baling him out.
What a different world.
And all those people would be alive.

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By pacrat, April 14, 2007 at 2:32 pm #

Did anyone mention the hypocrisy of the media that fired Imus who at the same time promote the trash talk of athletes and rappers? We are not talking racism here but sexism. The women athletes of Rutgers showed more maturity than either Imus or the networks that fired him in their virtuous hypocrisy. As long as rappers can get away with their trash talk this will continue. But it is sad when a white man tries to talk like this.

And as for Al and Jesse acting like they speak for African Americans - ridiculous! They both have pasts that make Imus look like a saint.

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By FrostedFlakes, April 14, 2007 at 9:32 am #
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The real question is why is it so easy for a group of people to tell everyone how they should feel when confronted with racism when they have NEVER been on the receiving end of it? Opinions are just like assholes, everyone has one. However,if you have never been subjected to overt racism yourself you really don’t have a clue to how it feels. It’s always easy to give thoughts using hypothetical situations, but it’s harder to actually experience them. No one is looking to be embraced by this illusionary society, but if you don’t know by your OWN experience how racism affects someone, then just shut the hell up. And also, Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson are not the spokesmen for black Americans. They represent themselves. And if you don’t want to hear what they have to say don’t listen. Black people are not monolithic. They are just as varied and diverse as any other ethnic group. So quit letting the media play with your mind. They air the views of the people they want you to hear so that they can get the response they want you to have. So the next time change the channel.

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By Los Angeles Democrat, April 14, 2007 at 9:03 am #

Let’s not forget the hypocrisy of the politicians.  There’s plenty to go around.  This excerpted from an article on Progressive Review (http://www.prorev.com):

“He didn’t just cross the line,” Mr. Obama said in an interview with ABC News. “He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America.”. . .

Yet, previously, while making a pitch for Democrats running for local government and for Congress at a rally that drew a few thousand party faithful to a minor league baseball stadium in downtown Louisville. . . . Before Obama’s speech, the crowd was warmed up by a performance by Nappy Roots, a popular hip-hop group.

Here’s another Associated Press dispatch, from Nov. 30, 2006:

|||| The stars were aligned in Chicago Wednesday, and they were there to talk about lighting the way for the nation’s youth. U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, contemplating a run for president, met privately with rapper Ludacris to talk about young people. “We talked about empowering the youth,” said the artist, whose real name is Chris Bridges. . . .

And of course references to women as “hos” are commonplace in Ludacris’ rap lyrics, such as this one by Christopher Bridges, who uses the stage name “Ludacris”:

Ho (Ho)
You’z a Ho, (Ho)
You’z a Ho, I said that you’z a Ho (Ho)
You’z a Ho, (Ho)

You’z a Ho, (Ho)
You’z a Ho, I said that you’z a Ho (Ho)

You doing Ho activities
With Ho tendencies
Hos are your friends,
Hos are your enemies

Obama and his new politics mantra is a scam.  He’s about on the same level as Al Sharpton on this one.

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By myers, April 14, 2007 at 7:00 am #
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I think this is all a manifestation of a culture which is ruled solely on the basis of market forces. As has been pointed out many times this isn’t the first time Imus has made such comments but it is the first time that it broke through the A.D.D. American Sheeple consciousness. The predictable comments that start , “I don’t have anything against, fill in the blank but”...... When you hear that “but” that is a the signal to head for the B.S. bomb shelters for a carpet bombing is sure to follow.
Imus is just a symptom of a depraved DC culture based on divide and conquer and the publics fetish for celebrity status .
All these platitudes about free speech are laughable. Imus is perfectly entitled to say anything he wants but that doesn’t mean he can say them over the public air waves. If that is the case why don’t we have Skin Head Radio?
I’ve said many times, there is nothing I’ve heard on talk radio, that I haven’t heard before but usually it was at the local beer joint and the poor sucker who was saying them wasn’t making eight figures to do so.  Meanwhile, the clique of haves, that play to the reptilian brain of the have nots are all laughing their way to the bank.

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By Paintball Johnny Federici, April 14, 2007 at 5:01 am #
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For most of us comprising the non-celebrity masses, cursing the boss, insulting the spouse, stepping on the foot of an irritable fellow bus rider, pinching the butt of someone’s else’s spouse at the water cooler, blathering racial humor in a bar may earn some getting fired, a punch in the mouth or worse.  But not always.  You get away with spouting crude foolishness and you feel emboldened and will likely blurt it again.

Shlock Jock Don Imus had been doing this sort of thing for years, most emboldened, no doubt, by his corporate millions, and encouraged in the last decade or so by the self-important aura of the political and journalistic toads hopping to the microphone of his boring radio show.

Does anyone remember when Imus was the self-styled rebel of the radio-waves?  Guess he was playing dress-up back then, too.

Not to be vengeful but perhaps Imus finally received his comeuppance.  Call it a corrective response from an offended audience, an instant message from the fed up masses in our more technologically astute age.  Don’t believe the cynics saying this was simply a business call by the media conglomocrats pulling the strings at CBS, and MSNBC.  Popular pressure helped stick the sock in the I-man’s mouth alongside both his feet and various other appendages.

Hey, Don, after 40 years, you’re finally seeing the cost of your “free” speech.  Good luck with the job search.

Paintball Johnny Federici
New Lebanon, NY

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By the messenger, April 14, 2007 at 4:10 am #
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By joey, April 13, 2007 at 8:22 pm #
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Just imagine if someone had fired Limbaugh 50 years ago.
What kind of country would it be?
Reagan would be in a old actors home. Gingrich would teaching badly in a small college. Nixon would have stayed in the grocery business. Cheney would have been caught by “To Catch a Predator”. G.W. would still driving small oil businesses into bankruptcy. And his dad would still be baling him out.
What a different world.
And all those people would be alive.

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By Chaseme, April 13, 2007 at 6:09 pm #
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Nowadays we find a common quality in all these madmen, prophets, teachers, rappers, TV and talk show host and disturbers of the mental peace; that quality is they all need a scapegoat to justify their menial existence.

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By R. M., April 13, 2007 at 5:32 pm #
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There’s a song called “Wildflower” by a group known as “Skylark”.  Imus should be made to listen to it and possibly try to take it to heart.

Tell him there’s an excellent guitarist in the group and he just might.

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By Terry Sloth, April 13, 2007 at 4:24 pm #
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What I find more offensive than Imus, are the racial opportunists, that surface each time an event occurs—-the issues they bellow about are always politically shallow—-real concerns are never tackled, they don’t want to upset the applecart; “bourgeois,” activists of “all races” rant about petty, paltry matters—-they are professional activists, enjoying a fine lifestyle at everyone’s expense.

We need do NOT need censorship from these OPPORTUNISTS.

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By Stephen Smoliar, April 13, 2007 at 4:13 pm #

Homer (#63853), I would rather be accused of being a “cultural relativist” and accept that “serious” is a matter of personal opinion!  In this case, however, the offended parties have now given that opinion.  Coach Vivian Stringer summarized:  “Hopefully, we can put all of this behind us.” MY hope is that the media will take their cue from Coach Stringer!  I have provided details about the “Rutgers summit” at:

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2007/04/restitu tion-is-necessary-for-injury.html

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By TDoff, April 13, 2007 at 4:03 pm #
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Does free speech have no meaning anymore?

Lenny Bruce demonstrated years ago that all words have at least two meanings, the one meant by the speaker (or writer) at the time he speaks, and the one heard by the listener at the time he hears it.

If free speech is going to be regulated by the meaning assigned by the listener, which cannot possibly be known to the speaker, we’re going to be reduced to unintelligible grunting. (Not that that wouldn’t be an improvement).

That’s why PC is a pile of crap, and laws against using certain words are even worse. Especially laws that demand that certain people can (or cannot) use certain words. If I were a nigger, I’d sure want to know, out front, which MOFO OFAYS thought of me as one, instead of having all the white folks jiving and shucking and stealing from me and mine in secret, while smiling at my nappy head.

As far as Nappy-Headed Ho’s being ‘hurt for life’ because of what a freaked-out nut like Imus said, get a life. Who gives a sh*t what Imus says?

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By Homer Hewitt, April 13, 2007 at 1:04 pm #
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As - let’s hope - the furor and unrelenting coverage of the Imus affair dies down, let me add a parting thought to those expressed earlier. I still think that the firings amount to overkill, as stated:

“And when generals and other high officials get away with reprimands or less for such actions as permitting Abu Ghraib or lying about Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman or Iraq’s connection to 9/11 or nuclear materials, cancellation of Imus in the Morning would be overkill.”

Yes, Imus’ remark was reprehensible and deserved some punishment. However, it was obviously not serious. Just think of the result if Imus had stopped to think and had disowned and apologized a few moments after utterance. No firestorm, no terminations. It would be clear that Imus is not a bigot or racist.

However I do understand the terminations, although they would have been more sincere and pristine if done right away instead of after pressure from advertisers and the usual preachers, as well as those genuinely offended. It is just a shame that there will be so much collateral damage, to charities, to millions of viewers, and to the public good by removal of a voice that constantly attacked political and other wrongdoers

Homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com

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By DS Ellis, April 13, 2007 at 10:19 am #

Ralph, you make some excellent points.  The corporations that employ the ‘shock jocks’ are definitely playing both ends against the middle.  They seem happy to enable the shocking behavior as long as it brings in the cash and nobody complains too loudly.  They don’t show their ‘ethical’ side and do ‘the right thing’ until a good chunk of the population rallies against them loudly and strongly.

We consumers also deserve part of the blame, too.  It seems to me that we enable the enablers.  Most, not all, of us are happy to shrug our shoulders and let it go as long as we’re entertained.  The mainstream journalists and politicians that chum up to these shock jocks are also part of the problem.  In my estimation, there’s plenty of blame to go around.

I can’t control what the corporations do on a day-to-day basis.  I’ve been known to writeletters of complaint/protest/skepticism to various networks and I do my best to raise awareness amongst my friends, but in the end the only person I can control is myself.  My fondest hope is that the general consuming public one day reaches a level of awareness that makes this sort of ‘entertainment’ socially unacceptable.

Well, a man can dream, can’t he?

P.S.  I accidentally clicked the ‘Report the comment’ link on your previous comment.  I honestly didn’t mean to and I hope someone at Truthdig realizes it was a mistake.  Truly my bad.

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By NathanHale, April 13, 2007 at 8:28 am #
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I guess the Rutgers girls basketball team has a new team nickname courtesy of the sensationalism given it by Sharpton and Jackson.  What was it before?

Nappy headed ho’s - three words which incite rebellion (thanks to Sharpton and Jackson) in Women and Black’s, at least those who don’t use them in their everyday vocabulary.

Imus remark was offhand and not malicious, a poor attempt at comedy and perhaps unintentional bigotry which most people in this country, Black and White, at the age of 80 give and recieve as a result of history.

When god closes a door in your life he opens another,
Imus can now go into Pay radio and make the case against Sharpton and Jackson and the hypocracy they represent. 

The hypocracy being that the 15 to 20 percent Black population in this country has so many Black only caucauses, associations, contests, fraternities, they use the words nigger and ho to describe each other in comedy and song. 

Sharpton and Jackson while taking advantage of the tax-exempt status of their faith are not representative of what that faith implies, forgiveness and understanding.  Rather they are lobbiests for Black America and more concerned for what they can get for their constituancy right or wrong.

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By Ellis, April 13, 2007 at 7:41 am #
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I heard the comments that caused this controversy and just chuckled. Imus was making fun of a culture that these people created and feed off of. Doesn’t anyone have a sense of humor anymore ???

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By AnnaCatherine, April 13, 2007 at 7:10 am #
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“Piling on” has become a new American National pastime. Imus was making people laugh and raising millions for all kinds of charities before some of you were born.As for his ‘elitist’ status, well let’s just say that it wasn’t always that way. He is a self made man. The rush to trash Imus is shameful. But while you’re all on your moral rampage you might want to clean up the rest of the real crap on radio and what passes for comedy on TV. Then move on to Rap music which is an insult to everyone. Let’s clean up everything, not just one guy.

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By mutterhals, April 13, 2007 at 6:06 am #
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63729 by Mick Hargreaves

Here here! You gave me hope!

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By the messenger, April 13, 2007 at 3:00 am #
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your article was about the good old boy network in washington and how it has corrupted the media.  so i put forth a post about the “conspiracy of silence”, which gets to the heart of what this corruption truly is.  it is no more “off topic” than many of the mindless rants posted above, in fact far less so.  but you didn’t post it, and so i take it you stand with those cowards who committed these crimes. if i’m wrong, then writeabout lawrence king, the franklin savings and loan, the media, the washington elite, the discovery channel and the telecommunications bill.  that’ll get to the heart of your “boys club”. on topic enough for you?

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By the messenger, April 13, 2007 at 1:46 am #
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and by the way, if somehow the editors of this site determine that my previous comment was an “off-topic post”, it will show that the alternative media is as dim and as cowardly as the men who run this sad, embarrassing nation. so post it. and get to work.

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By the messenger, April 13, 2007 at 1:35 am #
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in 1994 the discovery channel was about to air a bbc produced documentary called “conspiracy of silence”, which chronicled the disocovery of a child prostitution ring run out of omaha that reached the highest levels of washington.  the show was listed in tv guide for the night of may 4, 1994, but it never aired. members of the us congress pressured the discovery channel by threatening to kill the telecommunications bill(which helped monopolize the airwaves as never before) if they aired this piece.  what else they might have been threatened with is an open question.  they were also paid to destroy all known copies of the work.  in 1995 someone mailed a bootlegged rough-edited copy of the video to nebraska republican lawyer john decamp, who was representing some of the children. the video can be viewed on google video and is, again, called “conspiracy of silence”.  it contains interviews with three of the children involved, with decamp and with former cia director william colby, who expressed the opinion on this tape that the child prostitution ring reached to the highest levels of the us government.  the documentary was canceled, though its journalsim was sound(view for yourself), and colby was found dead in an odd canoe accident two years later. check it out. and read de camp’s book, available at amazon, called “the franklin cover-up: murder, child abuse and satanism in nebraska”.  after that, google search bohemian grove. and while your at it watch loose change, terrorstorm and 9/11 press for truth.  our problems are worse than you think.

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By Mick Hargreaves, April 12, 2007 at 10:55 pm #
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AHA! This (below) from the AP wire… anyone see what they’re up to here? There’s NOTHING stopping Imus from being a call-in guest to a show that his WIFE hosts. This is far from over.

(AP Excerpt) - “Imus was fired in the middle of a two-day radio fundraiser for children’s charities. CBS announced that Imus’ wife, Deirdre, and his longtime newsman, Charles McCord, will host Friday’s show.”

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By Jon, April 12, 2007 at 10:54 pm #

The way I see it, the Rutgers basketball players were not celeberties, politicians or some other public figures, they should not have been subjected to public degradation from Imus or anyone else.  listening to the excerpt of the dialogue between Imus and his Producer, it almost seemed like his producer was setting him up.  Imus had a right to say what he said, but he also is not immune to accountability for what he says.  I agree with those who say that Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson are not without sin, but until someone better comes along, they seem to be the voice for those who took Imus to task for what he said about those Rutgers College girls.

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By Mick Hargreaves, April 12, 2007 at 10:36 pm #
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I love the “I never saw his show, but good riddance” comments. Real intelligent. Do you review movies you haven’t seen as well?

I started listening to Imus back when he was the one in NYC who broke Cheech and Chong by playing “Sister Mary Elephant”. It was unlike anything anyone else was doing at the time.

More recently, every MLK Jr. Day, Imus played Dr. King’s “I have a Dream” speech IN ITS ENTIRETY over the air. To hear this entire speech via the magic radio always felt truly inspiring, often bring on a tear or two.

Who else did this on the air?

Who else in the mainstream media booked the Blind Boys of Alabama (Gospel Singers) to perform on their morning show with regularity? Apparently, he got a lot of flack from redneck yahoos about featuring an all-black, blind singing group. He also apparently told these yahoos to go screw off.

This has more to do with Advertising dollars pulling out, the reactionary Sharpton and Jackson, and the fact that Imus’ radio program was being simulcast on television, on a NEWS network, and his ratings and ad dollars were peaking. Much more hi-profile than some radio-only rant-jock. If his show had been simulcast on the Comedy Channel, would all this have happened? If it had been radio-only, would we be having this discourse?

Perhaps a comedic radio show on a news network wasn’t such a good idea.

Anyone listen to a rap record lately, or attend a stand-up comedy club? The former often has lyrics that are so disgusting it’s unlistenable. In the latter, race is fodder for much of the jokes. Ever see the Carlos Mencia show on Comedy Central? Often hilarious, but VERY VERY race & stereotype-fueled. Hey, it’s OK though kids - he’s Latino, and he’s allowed!!!!

The Imus show was always an equal opportunity comedy review. EVERYONE got roasted - bad. But, Imus finally made a tuly tasteless joke that committed the cardinal sin of comedy: it wasn’t even remotely funny. But as Bill Maher said this week, YOU try being funny 20 hours a week for X amount of weeks a year on live radio/TV without making a misstep. It ain’t easy, baby.

And Truthdiggers - Imus has been absolutely BANGING THE DRUM about the total disaster that has been the Bush Administration, calling the entire cadre of Bushies WAR CRIMINALS. And he’s a registered Republican. Still hate him?

If you didn’t check out the show, you should have been there. He backed your (our) guys Clinton and Kerry. When it had all cylinders firing, it was a good program.

True irony: Imus was terminated in the middle of his annual Radio Telethon for Charity. Real smart. Next stop: Satellite Radio. Or maybe just The Ranch.

Like Doug Stanhope says - Standup Comedy is the last form of free speech left. That’s all we have now.

We’ve all gotten too thin-skinned. I ABSOLUTELY HATE Bill O’Reilly’s show, but I’d never advocate him being taken off the air. If you don’t like it, turn the darned dial. Vote with the knob, and stop whining.

PS - Watching the band “Of Montreal” perform on Conan right now. What utter crap - a crime against good Art. FIRE THEM!

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By Hugh E. Scott, April 12, 2007 at 9:02 pm #
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NEWS FLASH:  The Rutgers gals are deciding whether or not to accept Don Imus’ apology.

Here’s another news flash: Ladies, you didn’t deserve to win the NCAA championship!

Hugh E. Scott, editor of http://www.King-George.biz—the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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By Doug, April 12, 2007 at 8:18 pm #
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Here in Australia we have a similar reprehensible shock jock called Alan Jones in Sydney.  Recently he called Lebanese youths “middle eastern scum” because of recent
disagreements with “Aussie” youths at the beach. Even though the regulatory body found him guilty of inciting hatred etc., our illustrous prime minister John Howard and close crony of George Bush, distanced himself from any criticism of Jones for fear of on air retribution.  And because he is close to Jones for political reasons.
So much for statesmanship.

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By Richard C. White, April 12, 2007 at 8:07 pm #
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I am offended by Bill Boyarsky’s use of the term “white” to refer to European-Americans. Notice that he did not use the term “black” to refer to African-Americans. No, his only reference to skin color was reserved for European-Americans. Disgusting.

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By Ralph, April 12, 2007 at 8:01 pm #

Re Comment #63585:
I agree completely with your comments DS Ellis, but to be truly effective from the standpoint of eliminating the vermin such as don ima mess, russ limburger, little billy o’really, herpetity and combs and their ilk that have in-bred from the sewers of America, we must do much more than just ignore them! With all due respect sir, (if you are a female, I apologize) turning off the radio or changing the channel will accomplish nothing but add to your aggravation every time you hear one of these attention-starved, immature, right-wing debasers of dignity get any publicity at all. No, we must stand up to the root cause of their paranoid behavior… money! Their bloated salaries will be cut off, like the heads of the Hydra, if we really let their sponsors know how we feel about them. Companies that pay millions of dollars a year to convince us to buy their products will respond if we tell them, as a group, that we disagree with who is selling their product. Kudos to MSNBC and NBC for flushing the bowel movement that was I’m a mess. He got away with it much too long, but a change is a comin’!! Next target is the bloated bag of excrement that rules the world of the brain dead; russie limburgher!! He may be harder to topple because his sponsors are also morally bankrupt, but eventually the cashflow pinch will force them to adjust. Keep up the “Comments” battle at least DS Ellis, and tell your friends about “Truthdig.com”.

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By Polly Ester, April 12, 2007 at 7:47 pm #
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“The Imus story reflects something else.  It shows elite journalists becoming part of a club they shouldn’t join, sharing the values of those they are supposed to cover.  It’s a stuffy club composed generally of middle-aged or older white men who, while differing on partisan politics, share a comfortable don’t-rock-the-boat view of the world.  In this club, Imus is the loudmouth in the locker room with a gutter style the more refined members probably envy.”

Puleeze, these elite “frat boy” journalists work for huge media conglomerates—-they’re part of the in-crowd, because they do what they’re told.  These successful tough guys, with oversized mouths and enormous egos capitulate on bended knees to corporate bosses. Why do you think the Iraq invasion was so palatable in 2003-—pundits were reading press releases from the White House.

In fact, how many were killed in Iraq today—-a huge bomb exploded in the Green Zone at the Iraqi Government offices—-why aren’t we discussing this.

How many young African-Americans died in Iraq, or have lost their arms and legs fighting a meaningless war, only to make war profiteers rich.

Why don’t crowds gather with the same ferocity, demanding that mainstream media show the flag draped coffins of dead serviceman returning from Iraq and Afghanistan; why don’t crowds gather with the same ferocity demanding that the news investigate what happened to the nine billion tax dollars stolen in Iraq; why don’t crowds gather with the same ferocity demanding that mainstream media investigate the Bush administration, and how they lied about WMDS in Iraq.

Perhaps, the real “ho’s” are the reporters and pundits who worship cash and adore being celebrities—-they pretend they’re tough guys, but they’re really mealy mouth lackeys, who answer to corporate bosses; that’s why it’s just a BOYS’ club.

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By DennisD, April 12, 2007 at 7:32 pm #
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One by one we watch our freedoms disappear, enough of the PC crap. Imus had the right to say it (Freedom of Speech), CBS & MSNBC had the right to fire him but the charlatans who exploit this type of crap are the worst of all. The only reason Imus was canned is because his advertisers pulled out. Their bean counters saw a temporary possible loss of sales. It’s all about the dollars folks no one involved will be up for sainthood any time soon.

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By Ken Mitchell, April 12, 2007 at 5:56 pm #
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As a believer in free speech, I didn’t advocate firing Don Imus. That doesn’t mean that I like him. I stopped listening to him years ago. I find him to be offensive. The Rutgers team should give Don Imus a piece of their mind about what he said. THere are others that I find to be more offensive. They include Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan. Again, I advocate, in the name of free speech, the right to say their mind, as long as I can speak mine.

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By Fred A, April 12, 2007 at 5:04 pm #
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Well I hope the not so silent minority are happy. I have yet to see a poll that was not at least 60 percent happy with no more than the suspension. Could someone put a contact number for Mr Sharpton and Mr Jackson on a post. I need to know from them what other shows I can’t watch or listen to. Also what sponsors I can support.

What Imus said was wrong. He knows it. He said he was sorry and accepted his suspension. But I guess the minority rules!

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By raven, April 12, 2007 at 4:53 pm #
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Don’t fret about Imus. He probably will sign a lucrative deal with Sirius and will reign again with his alter-ego Stern.

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By desertdude, April 12, 2007 at 4:52 pm #

You have to be kidding me. The 2 biggest racists led the charge against Don Imus. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. The first one who appeared at a news conference and said, Kill cops ha ha oh I didn’t really mean that. The second one nothing but an adulter who claims to be a hig and mighty Pastor of a church. Get real people the word ho is used on every rap station and song in America. How did that hurt the girls from Rutgers?

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By Marmoset, April 12, 2007 at 4:41 pm #
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While other, more subtle and arguably far more damaging forms of racism/sexism/classism et al remain a part of the fabic of American life, there still has to be consequences for this sort of public outburst.

These dickheads that are defending him, despite their claims of supporting free speech, are really trotting out their true nature for all the world to see.

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By YIKES, April 12, 2007 at 4:30 pm #

Happily I have never seen or heard Imus.  This is a point where ignorance really is bliss.  To make sure your head stays clean, just divorce yourself from traditional news sources.  Democracy Now and Truthdig, nothing more is needed.

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By Stephen Smoliar, April 12, 2007 at 4:14 pm #

Unlike Bill Boyarsky, I do not see the problem residing in the mainstream media.  I see the problem as reflecting the fact that the CONSUMERS of mainstream media can no longer tell the baby from the bathwater.  In my own blog entry I enumerated six stories that highlighted the extent to which racism is still a problem in the United States (five of which broke since the beginning of this calendar year), all of which faded into insignificance almost immediately after they appeared.  Now we have an eruption from a shock jock (who, let’s face it, was doing what we was paid to do); and THIS story gets a new round of coverage every day, presumably because this attracts the audience to the story and then attracts them to the advertising!  This is not to condone what Imus did but just to try to put it in perspective, which is that it was a pretty serious “offensive foul” in the Wittgenstein-like language-game of radio broadcasting.  Anyone interested in the more extended analysis along these lines can visit:

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2007/04/of-babi es-and-bathwater.html

Also, I would like to point out that one of the cooler heads to writeabout this matter was Alessandra Stanley, television critic and columnist for THE NEW YORK TIMES; so I have to ask Mr. Boyarsky if SHE is a member of this “Boys’ Club” he is attacking!

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By DSmith, April 12, 2007 at 3:42 pm #
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Jackson and Sharpton could not lace Martin Luther King’s shoes. Both are hucksters.

Imus vowed on Sharpton’s radio show, if allowed to stay and as part of his penance, he would raise untold millions of dollars for Sickle Cell Anemina, a disease that strikes thousands of blacks each year. With the influence Imus had with politicians and his fund raising prowess he could have tripled the amount of money raised for SCA. But to Sharpton and Jackson it was more important to humiliate Imus by making him bear his cross in the public square and I watched as these “Reverends” took great joy in placing a crown of thorns on Imus’s head. Remind you of anyone you heard about during Easter?

Jackson was asked this morning about forgiveness. He responded,"Forgiveness is a process.” Does anyone ever remember reading that in the scriptures? I’ve read you should forgive someone, not seven times, but seven times seven. That you should turn the other cheeck, but forgiveness being a process, I don’t rememmber reading about that.

Imus could have raised millions of dollars for SCA if allowed to stay but it was more important that Jackson and Sharpton have Imus’s head as a trophy.

Sorry bastards.

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By Hugh E. Scott, April 12, 2007 at 3:40 pm #
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No more I-Man for me, but kick him off the air?  It should NEVER have happened. 

For the past two years, to get my brain working before surfing the Internet each morning, I woke up at three a.m. California time and listened with a headset to Imus while my wife continued sleeping.

While Don’s show was certainly entertaining, I always felt uncomfortable with the “Cardinal Keegan” comedy routine that gave new meaning to the word “tasteless.” The obvious insensitive mindset behind the Catholic satire led to last Friday’s flap and the I-Man’s subsequent, hand-in-the-cookie-jar, teary-eyed apology this week.

I don’t believe Don’s a racist. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have worked so hard to get Harold Ford elected to the Senate. But clearly over the years, the I-Man wandered off the farm of responsible broadcasting. However, rather than fire him, MSNBC and CBS should’ve extended his unpaid leave of absence another two weeks.

On the plus side, having forced Don off the air, the same outraged media critics led by Al “Tanya Brawley” Sharpton and Jesse “Heimie Town” Jackson can go after Rush Limbaugh whose blatant bigotry makes the I-Man sound like Martin Luther King.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of http://www.King-George.biz—the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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By cpousnret, April 12, 2007 at 3:29 pm #
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while i don`t agree with imus remarks,censoring one violates the 1st amenment,however you don`t have 1st amendment rights while on the airways,of unless your rush limpbaugh,al sharpto,jesse jackson.its to bad,troops are dying and we are listening to this crap.

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By Di Kidd, April 12, 2007 at 2:18 pm #
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There is so much going on in our world today.
We are at war.
People are unsettled and un-stable and emotions are high.
As far as Imus comments live.
Well I just have this to say.
Where is the free speech now?
Hum. Does it only apply when it serves the purpose.
Sure what he said was brash un-called for and totally in appropriate
But if you have watch Imus on the show or radio we or ,I know that what he is all about.
That how he has the viewers and followers he does have .By being obnoxious ,cold .cruel.
So if your life style is one that can not allow for a little humor.
it time to de-stress & detoxify.
Then I say your taking life a little to serious.
But then again like I said emotions are high universal plus the factor of War .
Well, it makes life edgey.
But ,that is why we watch these fellows in comedy to take the edge off.
Don’t we ?
I don’t agree with actually what he said.
But I will defend anyone right to free speech and the right to say as they wish.
Are we so sensitive a populated group that we should let things of this nature
Design , diagnosis and rule us ? I think not.
Remember it all about rating , personal opinion and who really cares.
When it comes down to it .
If we are healthy strong moral individuals.
It will not wavier or actions or our outcome in life.
But then again it just another opinion from another person expressing a view point.

Which might be in our diverse Nation a little different then my neighbors or my friends.
With our population growing with many different new friends and relatives and neighbors
All coming from a different back ground & culture do
we dare let this be a set back to us in our growth as a nation.

I think not.
Does it really mater .

No, cause in most thing in life we rule our own selves and we do as we wish.
The only thing most learn from is life lesson & experience that have a personal
Effect on us on a daily bases.

Free speech should always be upheld.
Look we lost so much that we had gained from our forefathers in this great nation.
So I guess I look for free speech to be outlaw shortly in the future.
Should Imus be fired and lose all his public communication
Abilities
No…. I don’t feel he should .
Hey heck next week topic might be on those that are over weight or the drug addicts or the
Any a many number of problems with face.
I guess it is ok ?  for Rap Artist to use terminology such as this though right?
they get away with selling it in a multitude amount.
Hey wake up life in the living in reality we ant none of us perfect .

A personal opinion only .
From me.
But much food for thought in the end result.

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By mutterhals, April 12, 2007 at 1:21 pm #
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“I may not like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

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By Hammo, April 12, 2007 at 12:42 pm #

In taking a look at Imus’ comments and the response of others, we might wonder about what kinds of names he would use for people of other ethnic backgrounds.

What about Mexican-Americans? How about Asian-Americans?

In the case of the latter, we might remember that racism in American history has led not only to harsh words and anger, but to innocent Japanese-American families being put in prison camps during World War II.

Even as Japanese-Americans were fighting in Europe as the famous US Army 100th/442nd Regimental Combat Team. and were also in the Pacific in the US Army Military Intelligence Service or “MIS,” their families were behind barbed wire and armed guards in the US.

That story, like the Imus case, enlightens us about the history of racism in America and the ongoing issues involving it now. See:

“Eastwood, Spielberg: One More Iwo Jima Film”

PopulistAmerica.com
April 4, 2007

http://www.populistamerica.com/eastwood_spielberg_one_ more_iwo_jima_film

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By Craig Whipps, April 12, 2007 at 12:26 pm #
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Your take is right on the money, but I have to say that the incidents of his biggotry were much more widespread than is being reported. Having watched the show, almost two years now, I can tell you that I’m suprised it’s taken this long for someone to call him to account. There are so many “off color” moments that it’s simply a matter of getting ahold of the tapes to get a real picture of the crime, but, I can tell you, there was one recent change in the Imus “schtick” that may be the real cause of his demise. He stated making a regular reference to Dick Cheney (who he admits is a personal friend, as the loyal and self-confessed “life long Republican voter” that he is) as “that mouth-breathing war criminal”. Mary Matilin also became espescially exasperated with his taunting her about “Scooter” libby. Personally, I think he may be suffering from the Reagan dictum: “speak no ill of a fellow Republican.” When Imus started “pissing in” from “outside the tent” (forgive my mixing LBJ into the old boy network) he committed the cardinal sin.

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By DS Ellis, April 12, 2007 at 12:23 pm #

You want to hurt Imus, his posse and any other attention-grabbing, loud mouthed, bigoted glory hound with a microphone?  Quit watching.  Quit talking about them.  Quit debating them.  Protests and angry rants on TV and radio only give Imus (and those like him) more attention, more time in the limelight.  If you really want to hurt them, hit it where it counts:  the ratings.  Not just his show, but the networks that carry them, too.

You can censor him, berate him and run him down, but he was only practicing his right to free speech.  Run down his ratings and he (and those who hire/endorse/support him) will come to realize that no one really cares what he says, no matter how free it is, and before you know it, he’ll be gone.

It’s the easiest form of protest, America.  Just change the channel.

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By Hammo, April 12, 2007 at 12:15 pm #

The racial remarks from Imus insulting African-Americans follow another development that was in the news in recent weeks.

National and international news coverage about the “disenrollment” of black “freedmen” from official membership of the Oklahoma Cherokee Nation also brought up past and current racial issues.

The Imus case and the Cherokee freedmen disenrollment both provide insight into ongoing dynamics involving race in American history and today.

The Cherokee freedmen situation is explained in:

“Who is a Cherokee? Many Americans have Indians in the family tree

PopulistAmerica.com
March 14, 2007

http://www.populistamerica.com/who_is_a_cherokee

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By Steve Hammons, April 12, 2007 at 12:08 pm #
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The collaboration among those in politics, journalism and the pundits who straddle both is something we might want to look at more deeply.

Sometimes this unholy alliance does more harm than calling people innappropriate names. Sometimes it can help push a country into a war based on faked “intelligence” that is then reported by respectable media outlets.

For more on this, see:

“Society of Professional Journalists’ Award to Judith Miller Helps Cover-Up?”

AmericanChronicle.com

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle. asp?articleID=3287

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By B, April 12, 2007 at 10:59 am #
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This loser should be given the boot. Since his friends are so supportive they should get out with him. People like this have no place here they should go live happily ever after...in a country more politically suited to them (apartheid South Africa woulda been perfect for Imus).

B

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