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People collect scraps from a garbage dump in Hyderabad, India.

By Chris Hedges

When civilizations start to die they go insane. Let the ice sheets in the Arctic melt. Let the temperatures rise. Let the air, soil and water be poisoned. Let the forests die. Let the seas be emptied of life. Let one useless war after another be waged. Let the masses be thrust into extreme poverty and left without jobs while the elites, drunk on hedonism, accumulate vast fortunes through exploitation, speculation, fraud and theft. Reality, at the end, gets unplugged. We live in an age when news consists of Snooki’s pregnancy, Hulk Hogan’s sex tape and Kim Kardashian’s denial that she is the naked woman cooking eggs in a photo circulating on the Internet. Politicians, including presidents, appear on late night comedy shows to do gags and they campaign on issues such as creating a moon colony. “At times when the page is turning,” Louis-Ferdinand Celine wrote in “Castle to Castle,” “when History brings all the nuts together, opens its Epic Dance Halls! hats and heads in the whirlwind! Panties overboard!”

The quest by a bankrupt elite in the final days of empire to accumulate greater and greater wealth, as Karl Marx observed, is modern society’s version of primitive fetishism. This quest, as there is less and less to exploit, leads to mounting repression, increased human suffering, a collapse of infrastructure and, finally, collective death. It is the self-deluded, those on Wall Street or among the political elite, those who entertain and inform us, those who lack the capacity to question the lusts that will ensure our self-annihilation, who are held up as exemplars of intelligence, success and progress. The World Health Organization calculates that one in four people in the United States suffers from chronic anxiety, a mood disorder or depression—which seems to me to be a normal reaction to our march toward collective suicide. Welcome to the asylum.

When the most basic elements that sustain life are reduced to a cash product, life has no intrinsic value. The extinguishing of “primitive” societies, those that were defined by animism and mysticism, those that celebrated ambiguity and mystery, those that respected the centrality of the human imagination, removed the only ideological counterweight to a self-devouring capitalist ideology. Those who held on to pre-modern beliefs, such as Native Americans, who structured themselves around a communal life and self-sacrifice rather than hoarding and wage exploitation, could not be accommodated within the ethic of capitalist exploitation, the cult of the self and the lust for imperial expansion. The prosaic was pitted against the allegorical. And as we race toward the collapse of the planet’s ecosystem we must restore this older vision of life if we are to survive.

The war on the Native Americans, like the wars waged by colonialists around the globe, was waged to eradicate not only a people but a competing ethic. The older form of human community was antithetical and hostile to capitalism, the primacy of the technological state and the demands of empire. This struggle between belief systems was not lost on Marx. “The Ethnological Notebooks of Karl Marx” is a series of observations derived from Marx’s reading of works by historians and anthropologists. He took notes about the traditions, practices, social structure, economic systems and beliefs of numerous indigenous cultures targeted for destruction. Marx noted arcane details about the formation of Native American society, but also that “lands [were] owned by the tribes in common, while tenement-houses [were] owned jointly by their occupants.” He wrote of the Aztecs, “Commune tenure of lands; Life in large households composed of a number of related families.” He went on, “… reasons for believing they practiced communism in living in the household.” Native Americans, especially the Iroquois, provided the governing model for the union of the American colonies, and also proved vital to Marx and Engel’s vision of communism.

Marx, though he placed a naive faith in the power of the state to create his workers’ utopia and discounted important social and cultural forces outside of economics, was acutely aware that something essential to human dignity and independence had been lost with the destruction of pre-modern societies. The Iroquois Council of the Gens, where Indians came together to be heard as ancient Athenians did, was, Marx noted, a “democratic assembly where every adult male and female member had a voice upon all questions brought before it.” Marx lauded the active participation of women in tribal affairs, writing, “The women [were] allowed to express their wishes and opinions through an orator of their own election. Decision given by the Council. Unanimity was a fundamental law of its action among the Iroquois.” European women on the Continent and in the colonies had no equivalent power.

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By elisalouisa, May 23, 2012 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

Let’s just leave it where it is Korky.

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By Korky Day, May 23, 2012 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

“elisalouisa”, can you please be more specific?
What did I say wrong?

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By Korky Day, May 23, 2012 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment

Ed Romano, we found you!
Great, so can you answer my question below?

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By elisalouisa, May 23, 2012 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment

The USA needs fair elections before it can brag about being a democracy. 
Sham elections are not cutting it, as the world now is noticing more and more.

Are you for real? You just don’t understand the situation as it is now do you. You
storybook history of our country is a thing of the past.

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By Ed Romano, May 23, 2012 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

Good Afternoon Comrades,
 
    BOMB
Nowadays they have a pill for everything.
Something is growing in your brain ?
They have a pill for that.
Hair is falling out of your head ?
There’s another pill for that.
But there is no pill
For the bomb up your ass.

    You have a bomb up your ass?

Yes !

    Who put it there ?

The state.

    You mean the government ?

Yes!

    Why would the government do that ?

Do worms squirm ?
Do birds put twigs in their nests ?
It’s what the government does.
It taxes you and has you irradiated.

    Irradiated ? Is there a pill for that ?

They’re working on it.

    Well then, you’ll be all set.

Yes! Except for the bomb up my ass.

    Yes! Of course.
    Except for the bomb up your ass.

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By Korky Day, May 23, 2012 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

Below is a poll I added to DemoChoice, as anyone can do.
You can vote in it!
As you can see, many ideas have been proposed to make the USA a democracy:  some excellent, some ineffective.


DemoChoice Web Poll

Title of this particular poll at DemoChoice:
“Democratic reform USA 2012.”
Rank the reform options that you support!
See the poll results so far!

10 options will be elected in this poll from among the following 54 options:

Full voter registration at public cost.
Free voter ID provided.
Restore rule of law.
Constitutional convention every 12 years.
Allow re-call elections everywhere.
Term limits.
Let minors vote.
Election for each cabinet post.
Answer all petitions for redress.
Rotating presidency.
Voter tax rebate.
Court can’t stop re-count.
Fair, mandatory debates.
Break up media monopolies.
100 signatures to get on ballot.
“None of above” ballot option.
National referenda.
Congress declare war before attack.
Voter ID rules not stricter.
Restore Constitution.
Instant run-offs.
Verifiable voting.
Let all adult citizens vote.
Mandatory voting.
End gerry-mandering.
Paper ballots.
Legislatures 1/2 women.
Count all votes.
Internet voting.
Legislators picked at random.
No buying elections.
No Electoral College.
Ban filibusters.
Election day holiday.
Referendum on Constitution.
Representation of people not land.
Opposition questions officials weekly.
Non-partisan election officials.
All lobbying broadcast on Web.
Proportional representation in legislatures.
Public-funded candidate campaigns.
Legislators read bills before vote.
Non-partisan elections.
Restore “fairness doctrine”.
Ban pork-barrel budgets.
Make fair treaties with First Nations.
Save voters’ lives—no forced drugging.
Save voters’ lives—health insurance.
Save voters’ lives—no military draft.
Save voters’ lives—no death penalty.
Save voters’ lives—minimum income.
Save voters’ lives—civilian police review.
Save voters’ lives—more police.
Other.

Vote at http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=DemoRefUS

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By Korky Day, May 23, 2012 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

Thanks, Shenonymous, for the high-school government-class refresher.  A bit nostalgic, as I graduated in 1966 in Santa Maria, California.  Unfortunately, your lesson was a biased one, like you would hear in a USA high school, not one neutral or biased the opposite way, as you’d hear in a school in a country now being attacked by the pseudo-democratic USA empire.

After high school, my eyes were opened by seeing reality.  The USA was then attacking Vietnam.  Is that how a democracy acts?, I wondered.  I noticed that the draft was a form of slavery.  Since then, in my studies I have learned a litany of the deficits of democracy in the USA, the world’s leading pseudo-democracy.

I hope that Shenonymous and others still deluded by the snow job about how the USA is a democracy will look around the world.  The other countries are getting more democratic.  The USA is getting less and less.  Europe has pro-rep (proportional representation) and ranked ballots.  Switzerland is very strong on direct democracy.  Iceland and Greece are now leading the way on their response to the economic crises.  Way ahead of the USA.  They can do so because they are democratic (Iceland) or nearly so (Greece).  The USA is not.

In the USA, 24 states have a combination of direct democracy and elections.  Unfortunately, both of those methods now are thoroughly corrupted by the effects of big money.  But not always!  Luckily, maybe half of the initiatives passed are progressive in spite of the corporations trying to brain-wash the voters.  When I was in Arizona in 2010 we voters shut down the usurious “payday loan” scam—in spite of the advertising mostly going the other way.

The USA has all the trappings of an 18th Century attempted democracy.  Hasn’t progressed much since.  Still a 2-party system.  A 2-party system cannot be democratic.  What or who created the 2-party system?  I didn’t learn in high school, so I’ll have to clue in Shenonymous (again) that the USA founders accidentally created a 2-party system by failing to include any methods of ensuring proportionality.  Without proportionality, the (more rich and corrupt) minority trumps the (more poor and honest) majority.  Can’t be democratic.

I don’t totally blame the founders.  Pro-rep wasn’t invented until several decades after the Constitution was adopted.  But the USA, because it is so isolated intellectually from the rest of the world, knows little of this.  But such international isolation does not stop them from becoming discouraged enough to stay away from the polls in huge numbers.

While Canada (where I live) and the UK are nominally monarchies, they are closer to being democracies than is the USA.  The “big 4” pseudo-democracies are the USA, the UK, Canada, and India.  The main democratic deficit in all 4 is the lack of pro-rep.

The USA needs fair elections before it can brag about being a democracy.  Sham elections are not cutting it, as the world now is noticing more and more.

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By Korky Day, May 23, 2012 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

Ed Romano seems to have left another topic discussion on TruthDig without answering my toughest question.  Perhaps he cannot answer it without losing face.  http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/colonized_by_corporations_20120514/

I asked him to state how long it will take before the USA will be relieved morally from reparations to Vietnam.
I just want to know so that we can compare that fair period to other wars of aggression by the USA and by other countries.

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By Ed Romano, May 23, 2012 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

Good Morning Comrades, This morning comes news from Move On America that the Democratic National Committee is doing nothing to help local Wisconsin democrats in their struggle to recall the truly right wing Republican governor, Scott Walker. With only 3 weeks left until the recall vote the forces opposed to this Sinom Legree and his henchmen are having trouble matching the money Walker is raising from the vampires in the Republican Party. Just thought that those of you who think the Democratic Party is going to be of any help in the massive struggle we are now engaged in should be aware that the DNC is throwing some of its own children to the wolves.

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By Jonathan Mark, May 23, 2012 at 5:15 am Link to this comment
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November 22, 2013 will mark the 50th anniversary since the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. For those not afraid to research this issue, it is quite evident that this assassination was a coup d’etat of the US government. The cover-up continues to this day. There are many similarities to that operation nearly a half Century ago with the events regarding September 11, 2001. John Hankey, filmmaker of Dark Legacy: George Bush and the Murder of John F. Kennedy, had listed a few a few of these:

Both JFK and 9-11 involved The Big Lie -

1: The crime is unspeakable, for the mainstream media and ALL politicians who want to live. Our job is to speak the unspeakable. the Big Lie -

2: Even when spoken by the likes of us, the crime is too terrible to be believed. The average human being is incapable of conceiving that anyone could be so horrible, that they could kill their own people, or their own president. This is the main defense of 9-11 perpetrators. The true conspiracy theory is unbelievable. However, JFK’s murder is a chink in this armor of people’s incredulity: 80% believe Warren Report is a lie. They know there is more out there than what they have been told.

The video, Dark Legacy, has the potential to teach the common citizen valuable lessons regarding 9-11

1) Both crimes were committed by the same perpetrators: the military industrial complex; the CFR; with Bushes heading the attack. JFK was murdered in order to carry out Vietnam; but the only discernible goal there was to increase the defense budget: they knew they couldn’t win. All the best evidence said so. They didn’t care about winning. Just about keeping money from going for education and medicare.

2) In both crimes, the media and politicians are worse than useless; these crimes are unspeakable. The truth must be denied emphatically whenever the topic comes up; and those who raise the questions must be viciously attacked by every politician in the spotlight.

3) Don’t get lost in details; The names of the knoll shooters doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter whether Oswald or a double went to Mexico. Was there a plane, or not, at Pentagon? It doesn’t matter. What matters is that, with all the cold-war defenses in place, not a shot was fired in defense. “We don’t know” is a good answer to all detailed questions. The broad outlines are clear.

Relying exclusively on government documents, statements from the best witnesses available, and the words from the mouths of the killers themselves, Dark Legacy produces a thoroughly substantiated criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a CIA supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy. If we could present this evidence to a jury in Texas, he would pay with his life.

***********

Valley 9/11 Truth - http://valley911truth.org - will be presenting a program in Northampton, MA on June 13th, which will include the prologue and part one of Dark Legacy, which presents the overwhelming mountain of evidence that President Kennedy was hit by bullets from the front and rear.

Every witness in the Dallas emergency room attests, on camera, to the fact that a bullet from the right front blew a fist-sized whole in the back of the President’s head. The New York Times carried these statements on the day of the murder; and has covered them up ever since. For John Hankey’s film, see: http://theDarkLegacy.com

Plus, other film clips will be shown that clearly show the intense deceptions and infiltration into our lives and mind by the Military Industrial Complex and what we can do about it.

“Life is a gift, freedom a responsibility.”

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By elisalouisa, May 22, 2012 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

The fact is our government has been hijacked. As proof of this I offer you a link to a column concerning Senator Paul Wellstone’s murder and the murder of his wife daughter and others. This is but one example of how the oligarch has assumed control. Would Dick Cheney call the dogs on Wellstone after he refused to vote in favor of the Iraq war? Yes! A resounding yes! Just read my link thoroughly and understand how fear would seize those in the the Senate and House upon hearing of the elimination of the principal opponent to the Iraq war, Senator Paul Wellstone who was certain to be the Democratic Presidential candidate in 2008 had not the oligarch hastened his demise.

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1203_wellstone_assassinated.htm

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By Shenonymous, May 22, 2012 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

You must be forgetting Korky that every state in the United States
has two senators and a varied number of Representatives depend-
ing on the population distribution in the state.  This country does
not operate as a direct democracy, it is a representative democracy. 
The Senators and Reps. are elected by the citizens and write legisla-
tion, vote on it and if the President signs the legislation, it becomes
enforcible law. 

A democracy is one where the government is directly chosen by the
people (i.e., through elections); a Republic is one where government
authority is derived through the will of the people. Thus, a Democratic
Republic would be one where ultimate authority and power is derived
from the citizens, but the citizens elect representatives to conduct the
business of the government, that is, of the country.

In the United States, its Constitution directly states that the citizens (“We
the people”) are the foundation of government, and that the government is
chosen though democratic elections. The elections for Senators and House
of Representatives act on behalf of the citizens creating laws.  Thus, it is a
democratic republic.

If you mean Californians directly vote on referendums, initiatives,...
having been a resident of California for 40 years I knows this to be true. 
Nevertheless, the government of California operates in the context of a
democratic republic with three branches of government: the executive branch
has a Governor and a Lieutenant Governor and other elected constitutional
officers; the legislative branch consisting of the California State Legisla-
ture which includes the Assembly and the Senatethat represent the people
of California in the State Assembly, thus it is a representational democracy,
its government is not considered a direct democracy.  There also is a judicial
branch consisting of the Supreme Court of California and lower courts. The
part that can be considered direct democracy is that at the state level, direct
participation is allowed for the electorate to vote on initiatives, referendums,
recalls and ratifications.  Ref: Wikipedia

A democracy is one where the government is directly chosen by the people
(i.e., through elections); a Republic is one where government authority is
derived through the will of the people. Thus, a Democratic Republic would be
one where ultimate authority and power is derived from the citizens.

In the United State,s its Constitution directly states that the citizens (“We
the people”) are the foundation of government, and that the government is
chosen though democratic elections. The elections of Senators and House of
Representatives act on behalf of the citizens creating laws.  Thus, it is
a democratic republic and engages at the national level as representative
democracy, not direct democracy.

I’ve very little idea how European countries operate. The UK is a democracy
that elects its governmental members, but it is not a republic as the ultimate
authority does not come from the people but comes from its monarch.

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By Korky Day, May 22, 2012 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

“Direct democracy” is already in effect, more or less, in 24 states, including California, and nationally in Switzerland.
It would work pretty good there if there were controls on big money swinging the vote sometimes.
It is a disgrace that the USA has never had a national referendum, not even to approve the Constitution, which every beginning 2-bit democracy does nowadays.
It is no more likely to produce chaos than the election of a Republican-majority Congress, which most people survived.


“Shenonymous” says, “Being more careful when electing representatives to a representative form of democratic government is the only rational course of action.”
Being more careful hasn’t worked for over 200 years and the muck is getting deeper by the minute.
Besides, the USA has never been a democracy, so being more careful when virtually forced to vote for her party (Democratic) or for the Republicans is obviously ludicrous.
“I’d do away with campaign speeches,” she continues.  Great—just abolish free speech!
What she won’t admit is that the necessary remedies are much deeper.  For instance, we need pro-rep (proportional representation) and ranked ballots.  Her tidying-up of the current 2-party system would not stop the domination of her party and the Republicans.

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By americanme, May 22, 2012 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Harols Stassen:  Thanks for saying that.  Truthdig has bitten my ass every time I have said it, as he is their Way of the Wimp guru.

But it needs to be said, because most folks are so desperate to live in denial undisturbed that they do silly shit like vote for a plastic black man in the 5000 dollar suit and insist he represents their interests—and fall for Hedge’s Wonder Bread Way of the Wimp.

Legal tests of bogus laws in a country where there is no rule of law is like farting in a whirlwind and claiming to have dropped an atomic bomb.

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By Shenonymous, May 22, 2012 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

It always seems incongruous when there is a call for revolution by
those who sit tethered to a computer.

Harold Stassen IMO described Hedges succinctly and accurately.

Direct democracy in an America of 313,593,081 million people and
counting would describe social chaos to the nth degree and in every
way, but particularly in commerce and the society would come to a
bloody halt.  Furthermore there are 50 sovereign states each of which
have different rules and laws, some of which might be very similar but
have nuances of interpretation ruled by sovereign state judicial system. 
It is idiotic to think the US could operate under direct democracy.  You
would have 50 mobs each ruling a state and no national operations could
be managed without insanity, very very expensive insanity.  National laws
that protect the American citizens would be nullified.  Anarchy would be
the mode of life and many lives lost.  Direct democracy works with small
municipal or county groups, iffy at the state level unless the states are
small, i.e., Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island,... as it would not
work in California nor Texas, and certainly not New York all with a wide
disparate pluralistic mix of residents, legal or not!  Direct democracy is
woolgathering thinking and one of the reasons why Gravel, who seemed
sincere, was not taken as seriously as he thought he would be.  People
might be ignorant but they aren’t stupid! 

Being more careful when electing representatives to a representative
form of democratic government is the only rational course of action. 
That means much more vetting of candidates, not only for the truth of
the programs they would support but what kind of character or integrity
do they have.  And we know how hard it is to obtain the truth about
anything!  Still it needs to be known what have they done in their lives to
show their dedication to the public’s welfare?  It is only fair to those who
vote to have as much information about the ones who would create and
enforce laws that affect their lives.  How to sort through the rhetoric and
sophistry needs to be part of the public discussions.  I’d do away with
campaign speeches but limit candidate exposure to town hall
questioning events and debates.  At the national level, only debates with
all candidates who meet a minimum of qualifying criteria collectively
agreed to by the body politic would be the electoral system to help
justify choosing one candidate over another.  Candidates such as Mike
Gravel, Ralph Nader, Stewart Alexander, Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein, and
Buddy Roemer, etc., need to be included in the debate and an adequate
time period for each debate to give each candidate enough personal
regard to answer questions adequately where the candidates and the
citizenry have the opportunity to freely express their views regardless
participating opposition.  Frequent town hall meetings up to the time
of the actual election would give the voters plenty of time to confront
candidates.  Then all balloting and counting would be by hand to deter
voter fraud.

The problem is, M’thinks, there are many many too many lazy people
who would just rather allow others to do their original thinking for them
and then complain when those original thinkers don’t legislate on their
behalf craft the law to enhance the lifestyle of an elite class.  That is the
price for apathy.

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By Harold Stassen, May 21, 2012 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment
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The idea that the supremely White Bread Hedges, a man who makes meringue look smoky, could be an authentic voice for revolution, is ridiculous.
  He’s an ex-preacher who’s god has changed but who still thinks he’s got the message for all the “flock” too ignorant to know what to do.

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By Jonathan Mark, May 21, 2012 at 5:39 am Link to this comment
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The real tragedy in the downfall of our civilization is the inability of those in the 99% category to effectively choose another form of government. I believe Mike Gravel’s proposal for direct democracy gives some chance for the integrity of a citizen community to respond to the corrupt current fraudulent government with a National Citizen’s Initiative for Democracy - http://NICD.us - Such a proposal needs folks like Chris Hedges and others to help promote it, if we have any chance for reclaiming any sense of what it means to be a USA citizen or free.

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By Korky Day, May 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment

While I don’t agree with “americanme” on every point, she is quite good at bursting the smug bubbles of some of you pseudonymous First-Nations-holocaust-deniers.
Even if she were to claim to be some famous published academic, that wouldn’t prove that she actually is that person.
This is an anonymous discussion.  Live with it.

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By truthdigtag, May 17, 2012 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

@Night-Gaunt: ‘americanme’ should be able to easily verify his/her/its identity because
he/she/it claims, among other things, to have worked as a journalist and to have produced
numerous published works in various fields. All he/she/it would have to do is post a link to
one of these and we could readily verify his/her/its identity.

Incidentally, if you do a search or ‘americanme’ on truthdig, you will see that he/she/it has
claimed at minimum to be a poet, a playwrite, a college professor (of English), an
historian, and a film critic, to have a PhD and to have taught at US universities. So if
‘americanme’ is what he/she/it claims it should be a fairly trivial matter to do so without
revealing any information that is not already available to the public. There would be no
reason for him/her/it not to post some of their public work to prove their claims unless they
were either (A) lying about their identity (B) are ashamed or embarrassed of their public
record or (C) would be embarrassed to have their identity revealed due to their atrocious
behavior on these boards.

What that search for ‘anamericanme’ will also reveal is that practically every single one of
his/her/its posts on truthdig have been hateful, inflammatory, uncivil, racist, and irrational,
laced with invective and unprovoked adhominem vitriol. He/she/it basically just bounces
from forum to forum making wild accusaions, calling strangers (whose race he/she/it has
no way of knowing) ‘white supremacists’ and/or racists. He/she/it is the epitome of a
trolling punk and I reccommend that you report all of his/her/its obnoxious remarks. This
jerk is in a state of perpetual violation of the truthdig rules of conduct.

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By Night-Gaunt, May 16, 2012 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Americanme there is no way short of giving personal information to verify what any of us say about ourselves. Me I hold racists in contempt and you are a racist. You just blame us all. That is how it goes. So you have something in common with all other racists. Are you happy? I know I wouldn’t be if you are sincere about some of what you said you should be too. But calling us all bad and invaders. We haven’t been invaders for some time. Can you blame us all for what our ancestors did? It so how Biblical. However some redress is in order that I agree with.

How far back do you go in history on your contempt? Because humans have migrated for some 100,000 years or more. Does that include Homo Sapient Sapient and the death of the Neanderthals? Get into that hole you never come out. At this rate you are burning many bridges behind and around you. Some of us agree with your sentiments but being racist you don’t care. I don’t have a PhD but I can figure it out from what you write.

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By Ed Romano, May 16, 2012 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

Amerigo, What did I say that was ballistic compared to the whckiness you just spouted???? But this is it for me with you, baby. I’m not comfortable communicating with a racist.

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By Ed Romano, May 16, 2012 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

Amerigo, What did I say that was ballistic compared to the whckiness you just spouted???? But this is it for me with you, baby. I’m not comfortable communicating with a racist.

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By americanme, May 16, 2012 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

For those of you White Denial bullshitters:

There was a t.v. in the US that was popoular in the 70s starring Robert Blake as a cop:

The slogan for the show was “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”.

Since you can’t do the time, folks:  Stop doing the crimes against humanity and start acquiring some humanity.

You have some nerve thinking you can continue being a criminal and get sympathy.

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By americanme, May 16, 2012 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

Truthdigbullshitwhitesupremacist,

You are seriously incorrect about everything yuu posted in your hatescreed:

1.  I do not post commentary on this site in Spanish.  I have lived in central Mexico for 20 years.  I do write in Spanish for political theater in various Latin American countries.  I do give conferences and classes in Spanish at universities in the region.  I have never claimed that Spanish was an indigenous language, and I can get by in Zapoteco.

2.  I am Native American/FirstNations from Canada.  I did not grow up there and in my age group most folks were forced to speak French, my first language.

3.  As I live in North America, I am therefore an American—as in American Me. 

4.  I write well in English,although it is my second language,because I have a PhD in English from a US university and spent many years writing in English as a poet, fiction writer and journalist as well as teaching in that language in US universities.

5.  I hold all white invaders of this hemisphere in equal contempt, and in not one post ever on this site have I defended the Spanish invaders of Mexico.  As an indigenist activist based in Latin America it wouldn’t make much sense for me to do that, now would it?

I hold YOU in special contempt, for being a promoter of genocide and a white supremacist abusive troll.

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By Sylvia Barksdale, May 16, 2012 at 8:33 am Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges has put it all out on the table with this piece.  He holds no punches and I believe I know the reason.

John Lennon sang about it.  It has been written about numerous times and practiced against other countries that have driven the people to it but never this country.  I speak of REVOLUTION, friends!

It is depressing and sickening to know that our fathers and forefathes filled the coffers of American Imperialists and while they live the life of unbridled debauchery far too many Americans wonder where the next loaf of bread is coming from.

Somethings gotta give and we the people, have no more to give.  It is now time to take back what morally belongs to us.

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By truthdigtag, May 15, 2012 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment

@Korky: What you mean no one in this discussion can prove anything? Both you and
‘americanme’ have proven yourselves to be seriously disturbed individuals. Keep in mind
also, it was you and ‘americanme’ that initiated hostilities here by hurling insults without
provocation. Very, very strange insults in fact. I honestly hope you get the help you need.

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By Korky Day, May 15, 2012 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment

“truthdigtag” should realize that no one in this discussion can prove anything about themselves, so he/she just bores us by discussing it.

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By truthdigtag, May 15, 2012 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

@Ed: I wouldn’t get too worked up over ‘americanme’, he/she/it is clearly not playing with
a full deck.

As for you ‘americanme’, you clsim to hail from central Mexico yet use ‘americanme’ as a
screen name, a thumbnail of an ad for an old American movie of the same name as your
avatar, and write in US vernacular English. Frankly, I don’t believe you’re in Mexico. In all
likelihood you’re whiter than Phil Donahue and live in some rural backwater in flyover
country somewhere in the US. Prove me wrong.

In any event, if you ever wantbto be tsken seriously by anyone outside of the professional
mental health community, you might want to be a tad less reckless about calling complete
strangers whose race and politics you know less than nothing about ‘white supremacists’.
Otherwise, people will presume you are either (A) not very bright (B) not very old (C)
mentally unbalanced (D) egregiously ill-informed or (E) all of the above.

[I currently am thinking it’s (E) or (C), incidentally.]

You might also wantnto learn some history. Here’s your first free clue: Spanish is NOT a
Native American language. As one who promotes the morally dubious theory of collective
and inherited guilt, you would do well to reognize that any guilt ‘inherited’ by Europeans in
the US and Canada is aldo inherited by Europeans in Latin America. The Spanish were at
least as brutal as the English and the French. The US is approximately 85% white and
has a black president. Mexico by contrast is approximately 70% mestizo or Native yet is
run by a white Spanish minority. Needless to say, even if you really were in Mexico (which
I don’t believe for an instant) you’d be throwing stones from a glass house.

Now if you ever make a friend and they ask you how you spend your time, you can say “I
pretend to be a Mexican online from my Mom’s basement.”

Good luck…

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By Ed Romano, May 15, 2012 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

Americanme, God damn another prickly one. Sorry I stepped on your tail. What the hell is this “...you folks” business. Are you talking about me? You don’t even know who, or what I am….where I come from, what I believe, how I have spent my life or,as you put it, “diddly squat” about me…... Yet you accuse me of crimes against humanity for which I must pay and atone ?... What are you crazy altogether?.... I won’t be coming near you in any future incarnation, baby. I ain’t coming near you at all. I’d like to keep what’s left of my scalp.

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By americanme, May 15, 2012 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

Romano:

Not so fast, pal.

Before you can even speak to me with any hope that I will do diddly squat to help folks unite you folks must:

1.  Stop the crimes of genocide, ecocide, slavery, and resource theft you are committing against non-whites both in the US and abroad.

2.  THEN, you must ATONE for those crimes.  Every damned one of them.

3.  Then, feel free to come to me in one of my future incarnations and ask me to raise my voice to help folks unite.

You gringos always want to do an end-run.

This ain’t fucking football.

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By americanme, May 15, 2012 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

truthdigtag:

I am probably the LEAST confused person posting on this site, as I have a spot-on bullshit detector and I can smell your mendacity from here in central Mexico.

You are probably the most obviously bigoted shill for white supremacism to come along in awhile here—and one of the most devious, as well.

Folks like you always skate on the knife’s edge of libel and slander in your ongoing promotion of genocide, and I hope you cut your slithering feet to ribbons, oh forked-tongued troll.

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By Korky Day, May 15, 2012 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

Having a First Nations vice president is no evidence that the USA’s genocide wasn’t and isn’t continuing.

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By Korky Day, May 15, 2012 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

Near where I live, the Cowichan First Nation just declared an emergency of youth suicides which I know is one effect of the ongoing genocidal actions and neglect by Canada.

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By Korky Day, May 15, 2012 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

I did not say I am of a First Nation or ethnically indigenous.
I said people in my family are.
I, myself, am European and Asian.

As a refresher, I just read the long Wikipedia article about Ward Churchill.  I like him even more, though not necessarily agreeing with him on everything.

It is racist and imperialist for the invader governments (USA, Canada) to define FOR the First Nations who their nationals are.  Before the invasion by Whites, people who were unrelated by blood to a First Nation were often adopted into it as full members (citizens), like the USA accepts immigrants.

Whether or not Ward Churchill is accepted as a First National is up to those nations to decide, not the rest of us.

I tend to believe Ward Churchill about his ancestry, given the motives and positions of people saying otherwise.

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By truthdigtag, May 15, 2012 at 9:40 am Link to this comment

@Korky: There is no ‘genocide’ going on today in Canada, and to suggest there is only
makes you sound foolish. Tell an Aushwitz surviviror that anything going on in Canada
today can be reasonaly construed as genocide. Your words make a mockery of true
genocide and its victims.

As for Ward Churchill, he has been conclusively exposed as a pretendian, for anyone
dense enough to actually have thought it plaudible that a tall pale Nord like Churchill could
be even remotely of Native American origin. Your defense of that charlatan raises serious
doubt about your claim to Native origin. It seems the pale ‘Wannabe’ tribe is the largest
tribe in North America these days. It’s a strange time we live in when Amerindians from
Latin America identify as “Spanish” and Anglo Saxons from the US and Canada claim to
be “First Nations” people. Oh, the humanity! I’ll believe you’re Native American when I see
compelling evidence of it. My spidey senses tell me you’re probably one of these ‘Indians’
that looks like Bradd Pitt.

I notice in your rambling response for some bizarre reason you reference former Vice
President Charles Curtis. Between americanme’s bizarre reference to woolly mammoths
and your reference to Charles Curtis I can only conclude there must be something in the
water stonger than fluoride.

I actually am well aware of Charles Curtis, though I made no reference to him and he has
absolutely no relevance to anything being discussed, other than the fact he was a Native
American. Unlike Churchill however, Charles Curtis was clearly of genuine and
documented Native American ancestry. However, it is a testament to your profound state
of confusion that even as you endeavor to argue that Native Americans are not only
‘oppressed’ but presently subject to ‘genocide’, you call attention to the fact that the
second most powerful position in the US - a heartbeat away from the presidency - was
held by a Native American in the early 20th century! This is a rather inconvenient fact for
someone such as yourself who is ostensibly endeavoring to convince us how oppressed
Native Americans are.

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By Korky Day, May 15, 2012 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

“truthdigtag” might not be White, but is certainly as ignorant as the average White about the continuing genocide of First Nations.  I live among them, and some are in my family, so I am aware.  Also, I know how to read.

Similarly, trying to deny Ward Churchill his heritage is truly ignorant and insulting.  Winston Churchill also was an indigene of North America, as was USA vice president Charles Curtis (1860-1936).

The favourable reference to psychiatrists by “truthdigtag” is another sign of oppression.

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By truthdigtag, May 15, 2012 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

typo correction: Nothing in my COMMENT could be construed… etc.

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By truthdigtag, May 15, 2012 at 5:13 am Link to this comment

@americanme:
You are clearly very confused. For one thing, nothing in my could be construed by any
reasonable person as “excusing genocide”, nor did I say anything about Woolly
Mammoths. You further presume I am white when I made no reference to mybrace or
ethnicity whatsoever. If anyone has partaken of “the racist Kool Aid” here, it’s you.

However, since you mention genocide, it’s worth noting that you trivialize the term with
your absurd suggestion that it is “ongoing” in Canada and the US.

I notice also that like Hedges you are apparently given to viewing Native Americans as
“noble savages”. You doubtless will insist you are a “person of color” but I’ll believe that
when I see a verifiable picture of you; I suspect you are a “person of color” in the same
sense that Ward Churchill is a Native American and Hulk Hogan is a wrestler and Sean
Hannity is a journalist (yeah, if you can express assumptions about my racial background
I can express my suspicions about yours).

In any event, while I again made no reference to Mammoth (where you got that from is a
question best left for psychiatrists), the noble savage myth of Native Americans as
stewads of nature is just that, a myth. Native Americans in New York used to burn large
sections of forest in order to draw out animals. Further west, a common hunting technique
was to drive large numbers of bison off the ege of a cliff just to harvest a few. Several
species were driven to extinction by pre-Columbian tribes due to overhunting.

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By Ed Romano, May 14, 2012 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

Night Gaunt, You can be an all American kid, captain of the football team, with all the girls after you. You can go to church with your family every Sunday and cry when your dog dies. But if you become an American soldier and one day wander with your unit into a village in South East Asia and your Loouie tells you to set fire to a hut with a bunch of women and children inside….you’ll do it. Believe me buddy…You’ll do it.

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By Night-Gaunt, May 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

You will find Ed Romano that there are more people who wouldn’t do any of those things that did. We all aren’t the same and we all aren’t like that select few.

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By Ed Romano, May 14, 2012 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Americanme, God bless you, but I imagine there are a lot of things in this world you haven’t heard of. Same with me. The point I was making was not that indians, blacks or japanese people are less than human ( white Americans have done things far worse than what I described )... but that we ....WE….all of us, are all human. The faults we see in others are also in us and it only takes the right circumstance to summon them forth. What good does it do to keep pointing fingers of blame at one another while those who profit from murder, theft and slavery go on about their business right in front of our eyes ? The Powers of Death enjoy seeing us taking pot shots at one another, because while we are busy with that   endless and fruitless activity, while we are disunited,  they can go calmly about their business of spreading death. I am outraged when I see an Asian child napalmed, when I see a Iraqi child in a hospital bed blind and without arms, when I read about what was done to indians in the settlement of the west and what is still going on to some degree today. But we must proceed according to our common humanity. We have to concentrate as never before on the things that unite us. We have a common enemy. It is the Power of Death. If I sounded like I was criticizing a particular race….that was not my intent. We are either all in this together or it is all over for us. May I humbly suggest that you look for and preach whatever you think can unite us. I think you have a voice worth listening to.

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By americanme, May 14, 2012 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

PS:  I hadn’t heard about my people chewing fingers off the Jesuits in Canada.

Jesuits maybe didn’t deserve to have their fingers eaten—but who knows what they did to the Mohawk, Huron and Abenaki food supply? 

In most countries the Jesuits were simply killed or kicked out for their various colonial shenanagins.

We sure as hell didn’t invite them to come and try to make us their slaves, Romano.

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By americanme, May 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

It was not in the past, palo:  the US and Canada still maintain genocide as the primary policy towards indigenous people in their colonial settler states.

Bantustans are called native reserves in Canada and Indian reservations in the US.  In those bantustans unemployment is 75%, life expectancy less than 50 years.

Those are just for starters.

I am not getting on with anything until you stop shitting around and face the truth.  When you start doing something about THAT, we can talk.

Maybe.

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By Ed Romano, May 14, 2012 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

What is all this crap about who did what to black, red and yellow people back in the day ? Canadian indians tied Jesuits to a tree and squaws sat next to them chewing their fingers off. Some blacks in Africa ate their neighbors from the next village. Japanese soldiers in China made a sport out of tossing Chinese babies in the air and catching them on their bayonets. Get over it for Christ’s sake. We’re all human. We all stink. We’re not worth the powder it takes to blow us to hell. Now can we get on with the job of destroying the monster ?

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By americanme, May 14, 2012 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

ML:

You drank the racist koolaid inventions about how the indigenous folks beat all the woolly mammoths to death with warclubs.

So you are no more evolved than Hedges.

Just another white person trying to excuse genocide.

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By M.L., May 14, 2012 at 5:51 am Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges is surprisingly ignorant. One of the definitive characteristics of
Enlightenment era thinkers was there commitment to question everything, especially the
Bible. Thomas Jefferson went so far as to create his own edition of the bible with all the
supernatural and irrational superstitions removed.

Also, his naive praise of “primitive” culture is ironic inasmuch as it is precisely the same
sort of condescending, racist caricature of Native American and other “primitive” cultures
as “noble savages” that was one of the more wince inducing apects of the colonialist
mindset he seeks to condemn.

It’s not as though these cultures Hedges seems so enamored of had a choice between
their lifestyle and that of the west. Europeans lived much the same way with similar
superstitions for most of the time homo sapiens has been on the planet. They loved as
they did because they had not yet developed the means to be as destructive as
Europeans. Yet they still managed to do quite a bit of damage with their limited
technology, driving many creatures to extinction long before the first Europeans arrived.
Native cultures regularly fought wars and in some cases deliberately eradicated rival
tribes.

Read Jared Diamonds “Guns, Germs, and Steel” for a reality based explanation of the
cultural and technological differences beween European and Native American cultures.

Incidentally, does anyone know how much Hedges is worth? For all his ‘revolutionary’ talk
he sure ain’t no 99%-er.

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By Vuk, May 13, 2012 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment
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Since some of you are talking about the debunking of the Bering Land Mass Bridge and Native American Creationism, why not also discuss Kennewick Man and S pirit Cave Man, and also the linking of the genes of some Native Americans to Central Siberian tribes in the Yennisey River/ Altai Mountains area via dna and linguistics?

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By americanme, May 6, 2012 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

How about we sacrifice YOU?

It would be a travesty, of course, as normally only PURE folks were sacrificed to the gods.

But you seem to be itching for the experience.

Maybe, if you come up with enough moolah, the gods will look the other way.

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By Canyon Walker, May 5, 2012 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

Excellent article.  Chris Hedges
at his best!

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By heterochromatic, May 5, 2012 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

moonie—- you keep right on lying.

true and I have little other than antipathy for each
other.

and only a supporter of human sacrifice and primitive
tribalism such as yourself would lump true and myself
together.

go buy a new goat if you so need something to do that
you are reduced to lying and laughing while pissing
down your leg

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By americanme, May 5, 2012 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

Uh, truedigger3:  Heterochromatic claimed you.

How does that make ME wrong?

Learn to read.

Learn to think.

There are holes in your education I could drive a Kenworth through.

In fact, I just did.

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By elisalouisa, May 4, 2012 at 5:50 pm Link to this comment

“The health care system, one based on the fascist concept of a powerful, over-privileged and corrupt elite at the top and a vast oppressed and underprivileged class at the bottom, is a disgrace. Especially in a wealthy first world nation. And so is Wall Street, a one street crime wave all on its own, as are its enablers in the
Congress and in the media. The same enablers who call decent health care ‘death panels’”

True, true true.

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By heterochromatic, May 4, 2012 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

dia—thank you for the info that the hospital is in LSA.

I’ll forgive you the foolish rant at the end. wont even try to out-idiot you by
swearing that you’re obviously a super-fascist or something.

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By diamond, May 4, 2012 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

updated 6/13/2007 10:43:18 AM ET

Associated Press
 

“LOS ANGELES — A woman who lay bleeding on the emergency room floor of a troubled inner-city hospital died after 911 dispatchers refused to contact paramedics or an ambulance to take her to another facility, newly released tapes of the emergency calls reveal.

Edith Isabel Rodriguez, 43, died of a perforated bowel on May 9 at Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital. Her death was ruled accidental by the Los Angeles County coroner’s office.

Relatives said Rodriguez was bleeding from the mouth and writhing in pain for 45 minutes while she was at a hospital waiting area. Experts have said she could have survived had she been treated early enough.

County and state authorities are now investigating Rodriguez’s death. Relatives reported she died as police were wheeling her out of the hospital after the officers they had asked to help Rodriguez arrested her instead on a parole violation. Sheriff’s Department spokesman Duane Allen said Wednesday that the investigation is ongoing.

In the recordings of two 911 calls that day, first obtained by the Los Angeles Times under a California Public Records Act request, callers pleaded for help for Rodriguez but were referred to hospital staff instead.

“I’m in the emergency room. My wife is dying and the nurses don’t want to help her out,” Rodriguez’s boyfriend, Jose Prado, is heard saying in Spanish through an interpreter on the tapes.

“What’s wrong with her?” a female dispatcher asked.

“She’s vomiting blood,” Prado said.

“OK, and why aren’t they helping her?” the dispatcher asked.

‘They’re just watching her’
“They’re watching her there and they’re not doing anything. They’re just watching her,” Prado said.

The dispatcher told Prado to contact a doctor and then said paramedics wouldn’t pick her up because she was already in a hospital. She later told him to contact county police officers at a security desk.

     
A second 911 call was placed eight minutes later by a bystander who requested that an ambulance be sent to take Rodriguez to another hospital for care.

“She’s definitely sick and there’s a guy that’s ignoring her,” the woman told a male dispatcher.

During the call, the dispatcher argued with the woman over whether there really was an emergency.

“I cannot do anything for you for the quality of the hospital. ... It is not an emergency. It is not an emergency ma’am,” he said.

“You’re not here to see how they’re treating her,” the woman replied.

The dispatcher refused to call paramedics and told the woman that she should contact hospital supervisors “and let them know” if she is unhappy.

“May God strike you too for acting the way you just acted,” the woman said finally.

“No, negative ma’am, you’re the one,” he said.

The incident was the latest high-profile lapse at King-Harbor, formerly known as King/Drew. The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors is investigating claims of recent patient care breakdowns, including Rodriguez’s case.”

I don’t know why you bother to deny, Hetero, what is patently obvious to everyone else. The health care system, one based on the fascist concept of a powerful, over-privileged and corrupt elite at the top and a vast oppressed and underprivileged class at the bottom, is a disgrace. Especially in a wealthy first world nation. And so is Wall Street, a one street crime wave all on its own, as are its enablers in the Congress and in the media. The same enablers who call decent health care ‘death panels’.

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By heterochromatic, May 4, 2012 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment

dia—- where is that MLK hospital?

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By heterochromatic, May 4, 2012 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

Ed—- what can i say? my friends and family are too intellectually pretentious, I
guess. My 21 year-old niece lives here and might be a candidate for interest in
that shit, but she gives no indication of it.


I know that there are three Kardashian sisters but that’s only because I have some
lingering interest in the NBA.

 

I live a couple of blocks away from Brooklyn College

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By truedigger3, May 4, 2012 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

Re: By americanme, May 4 at 10:20 am

americanme wrote addressing hetrochromatic:
“I see that you are now claiming truedigger3 as one of your clones.”
—————————————————————————
americanme,

You are absolutely definitely wrong in this one.
hetrochromatic and I are in two opposite poles and he is a PROFESSIONAL TROLL.

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By Ed Romano, May 4, 2012 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

Het, Am I serious ? You don’t know anybody who cares about them? Where are you living now ? The life styles of the glitterati is just about the ONLY thing 80 % of the population cares about. Surely you’ve heard of American Idol and seen the mental defect magazines they gobble up at the check out counter.

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By diamond, May 4, 2012 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

“dia—- story of two days in ER waiting seems pretty far-fetched…as does…”

He did sit there for two days.And plenty of others have done the same. One of the hospitals that serves mostly African Americans (a ‘charity’ hospital such as you refer to) and is named for Martin Luther King is called ‘Killer King’ by those who go there for help when they are sick or injured because of the sheer incompetence and disinterest they suffer. The health care system is so unjust and punitive towards those who need it most that an entire new system of publicly funded health care taken as a fixed percentage of tax paid needs to be put in place. But that will happen over the dead bodies of America’s legislators - even though THEY have publicly funded health care themselves.

You only have to see the campaign they ran in concert with the doctors, the private health insurance corporations and the mainstream media against including publicly funded health care in any reforms Obama made to the health care system. Rats get nasty when they’re cornered and they are rats. Only rats would have had that clown Sarah Palin go on Fox to spout about ‘death panels’. In fact the actual death panels have been running for years - for the poor and for workers. As has been pointed out many times, America has a unique social and economic system: socialism for the rich and free market, neo liberalism for the poor.

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By americanme, May 4, 2012 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

Get away from me, you loathesome white supremacist pervert.

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By heterochromatic, May 4, 2012 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

“I see that you are now claiming truedigger3 as one of your clones.”


just as I’m claiming you as one of my crones.


actually, Im more fond of you than I am of true.

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By heterochromatic, May 4, 2012 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

Ed—- you were serious?  I don’t believe that I know anyone who gives a rat’s ankle
about those folks

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By americanme, May 4, 2012 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

I see that you are now claiming truedigger3 as one of your clones.

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By heterochromatic, May 4, 2012 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

——“It’s a very irritating habit you whites have…”—-


over the course of many years, I’ve met dozens of people that looked like “white
people” and, far as I can tell, they didn’t give evidence of having the same
annoying habit.

 

of course, alll bigots have the same annoying habit

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By Ed Romano, May 4, 2012 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

Het, Yes. I think we’re lucky to have people like Hedges too but, as for the so called celebrities, I’m asking what’s the difference if what they report is true or not?

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By americanme, May 4, 2012 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

elisalouisa:

Wrong again, tootsiepop.

Do Over will not necesssarily go down with the likes of you—not if he lives as his ancestors lived.  It’s doubtful that I will be going down with you, either.  And the Zapotecos, Triquis, and other native people in Mexico may not be sharing your berth in hell either.

The final irony of all this, as I mentioned earlier on either this or another thread, is that when the sound of major flusing happens, the folks left will be A FEW of the 1% and a good percentage of indigenous folks—especially the ones who live off the grid.It’s truly unfortunate that we will get our land back under those conditions, but then we didn’t ask you to wage war against the planet and turn it into a toxic waste dump.

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By heterochromatic, May 4, 2012 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Ed—I remain committed to maintaining the honor and reputation are distinct.

let them sully Hedges’ reputation as they will, I still regard him as a good and
honorable man…

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By americanme, May 4, 2012 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

truedigger3:

As a longtime educator, I think asking you if you have considered learning how to think is highly appropriate.

And don’t tell me what to do.

It’s a very irritating habit you whites have when dealing with non-whites.

Along with claiming to be an expert on everything Native American.  Especially how we should behave.

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By Ed Romano, May 4, 2012 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

Het, What’s the difference if they are true or not ?

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By elisalouisa, May 4, 2012 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

Shenon post: Gregory Mantsios, educator and author of “Class ?in America,” reports that “Americans spend an average of twenty-eight ?hours per week watching television and spend an undetermined number ?of hours reading periodicals, listening to the radio, and going to the ?movies.”  Mass media has become so pervasive, banal and habitual a ?part of society that the mass of
ordinary people don’t notice the almost ?boundless influence and force which the mass media has on every aspect ?of society; all political, all economic, and intruding and forcing their ?ideological disposition on the unsuspecting unexpecting and almost ?utterly naive public.  Mass media influences the way we vote, what we ?buy, how we behave, our values, and most insidiously, the way
reality ?is perceived.

Absolutely. The fact that Chris Hedges does not own a TV may be but one reason why his viewpoint is what it is. If one is not part of the msm spirit the various spins, sinister weaves and fabrications become more apparent. How to wean Joe Six Pack from TV addiction and loving it when Fox news pushes the
right buttons, that’s the pivotal question. Can it be done? I don’t think so.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, May 4, 2012 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, Another way of looking at why we get the Snooki, Hogan, Kardashian level of ‘information’, since information has value, is that all information which has greater value is sold in markets where it can fetch it’s price. 

That is a good model…...we are the bottom feeders in the information market.  Taking what is lower than scraps falling from the table and having zero (or negative) sustenance.  Acknowledged: the table metaphor is weak. 

And I fully agree that feeding us with information having negative intellectual value (a negative impact on reason), a value is derived by advertisers, and others who benefit from a confused public The use of the public airwaves in this manner is an infuriating abuse of the commons.

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By heterochromatic, May 3, 2012 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

those rumors about Snooki, Hulk Hogan, and Kim
Kardashian and Hedges always tends toward deliberate exaggeration, always for
dramatic effect rather than truth.
——


I was pretty sure that they weren’t all true, just as I doubted that Hedges was the
father ....

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By Shenonymous, May 3, 2012 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment

The reason is too obvious, why Snooki, Hulk Hogan, and Kim
Kardashian have ascended to such importance in our lives.  It
is beyond all doubt that every form of mass media: newspapers,
magazines, television, radio, cinema, and especially the Internet,
both political and non-political blogsties, Facebook, Twitter, email,
etc., spoon feeds it to us in the uncountable variety of ways there
are and makes them the center of our attention. 

Most of the mass media is owned and controlled by either large
corporations or the very rich who use the capitalistic system to shape
the minds of the masses for their own profit and advantage.  Whatever
communications the general population get is as the power mongers
see fit to inform or disinform in order to predispose the public to
their domination so that they can set the terms by which all of the
people must operate.  Gregory Mantsios, educator and author of “Class
in America,” reports that “Americans spend an average of twenty-eight
hours per week watching television and spend an undetermined number
of hours reading periodicals, listening to the radio, and going to the
movies.”  Mass media has become so pervasive, banal and habitual a
part of society that the mass of ordinary people don’t notice the almost
boundless influence and force which the mass media has on every aspect
of society; all political, all economic, and intruding and forcing their
ideological disposition on the unsuspecting unexpecting and almost
utterly naive public.  Mass media influences the way we vote, what we
buy, how we behave, our values, and most insidiously, the way reality
is perceived.

Hedges always tends toward deliberate exaggeration, always for
dramatic effect rather than truth.  Civilizations are always trial and
error propositions.

The history of humankind has been marked by patterns of growth
and decline since civilized social organizations first began. There was
the Hellenic, the classical Greece which went into decline and morphed
into the Hellenistic.  The rise of classical Rome also declined into the
Byzantine.  The Renaissance trailed off into the Baroque.  Then came
the awakening of humanism and civilization morphs once again.  The
Enlightenment becomes usurped by the anti-Enlightenment.  That’s
always how it has been, between the classical rational and the romantic
irrational motives.  It is completely cyclical.  Historians see this pattern
with great clarity.  It is just that we who are staunchly conscious of the
social changes as they are happening, know that inexorably a new
definition will become descriptive of cultivated populations. 

Some declines have been gradual, ranging over centuries. Others
have been rather speedy taking only a few years. Reasons are not
surprising:  war, droughts that affect food supplies, and other natural
disasters, disease like the Black Plague, overpopulation, economic
disasters.  Each of these or any combination of these events could bring
about the collapse of a civilization. Political struggles or over-farming
the land and other internal problems could join up with external causes
such as being attacked by an enemy or natural disasters could bring
about a collapse.

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By heterochromatic, May 3, 2012 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment

do over—- last time I checked, Cherokees in touch with the Spirit and ancestors
die pretty much as does everyone else…...and aren’t particularly more intelligent
than everyone else and their belief systems and culture are as screwed up as
everyone else’s and their opinions aren’t particularly profound.

but that’s not to say that you’re opinions are necessarily any worse than anyone
else’s, so you hang in there and if you’re still opining in a couple of hundred years
and the rest of us are all dead, then come back to the thread and post an “I told
you so.”

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By elisalouisa, May 3, 2012 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

No do over, he stated “we all will go down together.” That includes you and perhaps the entire planet. At one time men and women had the basic knowledge to survive in the wilderness. That is no longer the case. Sewing, canning, knitting, food preservation are unknown skills for the most part. Medicinal herbs are virtually unknown. Hunting skills and butchering techniques are not common. Perhaps “going down together” (if that is to be) will help mankind come together. 

These threads are a learning experience is many ways. Native American posters have made their feelings known and it has brought a new dimension as to not only the history of this country but the feelings of the descendants of those who survived the genocide. Also among those who add their views are anarchists, socialists, communists, atheists, agnostics and last but not least, believers of various stripes and colors and if you will forgive me the kooks.  All in all one cannot say that such posts are in vain and do not contribute to the overall education of the readers.

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By do over, May 3, 2012 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

I am Cherokee.  I live in Spirit as my ancestors lived.  I believe that Chris is correct, you will go down together. Your lifeways are rooted in a culture of death.  Death is your path, death is your destiny.  Your beliefs are your executioners.  I wish it were otherwise.

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By truedigger3, May 3, 2012 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

Re: By americanme, May 3 at 10:03 am

amaricanme wrote addressing me:

“Have you ever considered that it’s about time you learned to THINK? “
—————————————————————
americanme,

Have you considered presenting your points without personal attacks?!!
I know the Aztecs and Incas were not in the US, but weren’t they native Americans.
Calling the life of the native Americans ‘is not Idyllic” is way understatement. It was harsh cruel life so why romanticise it with the qualification it was not idyllic.
I am not condemning human sacrifices by native Americans and tolerating it in other times and places!!
You bring some good points in your posts, but please cool it down a little and don’t be quick to the trigger!!

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By americanme, May 3, 2012 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

Paraguay is a good choice for:

Running guns and drugs (the Triple Border nexus)

Claiming that Hezbollah trains recruits there (the US government also claims that they are being trained on the expensive resort Isla Margarita, in Venezuela)

Avoiding being underwater when all the coasts go under the sea

Following in the footpaths of Martin Bohrmann and Josef Mengele (those fugitives from the Nuremburg Trials knew what they were doing).  I expect Bush’s handlers may have considered that strongly when they told him to buy land there—since the list of War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity that he authorized could tie up any international court for decades.  What’s his name Taylor was a cherub compared to Bush.

Visiting those fabulous waterfalls!

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By elisalouisa, May 3, 2012 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment

“Rebuilding this older vision of community, one based on cooperation rather than exploitation, will be as important to our survival as changing our patterns of consumption, growing food locally and ending our dependence on fossil fuels.”

Chris Hedges gives us a solution more for encouragement for moral support.  Building community from scratch is not possible. Where will the inhabitants of these communities be employed? Our factories are gone as are other places of employment. With no income there is no taxation for schools, hospitals, roads,
etc. The small farm which held many communities together is a thing of the past. How can we cope in a global economy when our politicians have been bought and paid for by corporations that are global and got taxpayer bailout money? Gloom and doom Chris is right. Our goose is cooked.

“We profited as a nation from this demented vision, we remained passive and silent when we should have denounced the crimes committed in our name, and now that the game is up we all go down together.”

Absolutely right about that one. Bush is ahead of Hedges, he bought land in Paraguay. That’s not far enough for clouds from a nuclear explosion.

http://pimpinturtle.com/2008/07/31/bush-buys-100000-acres-on-border-of-paraguay—brazil.aspx

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By americanme, May 3, 2012 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

Lumpen:

The elites have not silenced him because

1.  He never advocates actually DOING anything substantive about the situation, and

2.  He is one of them.  Don’t let this elite in Way of the Wimp owlglasses fool you.

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By Jean Dorton, May 3, 2012 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment
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I wish Chris Hedges was delusional, but everything I’ve been seeing and hearing for at least a decade suggests that he surely is not!

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By Night-Gaunt, May 3, 2012 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

ChaviztaKing ever so often some rube sashays up to the bar and claims that so and so are just fakes, false ones leading us astray like reporter Jeramie Scahill yet none of you ever produce a lick of proof. Maybe you are a right wing shill out to undermine us? Think about that. I know I do every time one of them starts spouting this nonsense. Chavez has over stepped his bounds and it is time to let someone else be president. Dictators are bad no matter what the followers say. And where did Karl Marx & Engels talk about creating a dictatorship?

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By katsteevns, May 3, 2012 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

By Lumpenproletarier, May 3 at 10:41 am

“If things were actually as bad as he
claims, the elites would have silenced him long ago.”

Would they have? They eliminate direct/imminent threats within our borders and CH is not one of them, at least not yet. Most elites probably don’t know how bad things will get, they are just following the money. Things are pretty bad already for many here, you just don’t hear about it.

  Our society is fed the notion that one is a below par person if he can not pull himself up by his own bootstraps and “make it” here. This makes people keep their mouths shut when they fall between the cracks and blame themselves. Many of the pitfalls of this society are institutionalized and most are unaware of just how much so we have been conditioned.

Walter Benjamin is really quite correct.

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By Korky Day, May 3, 2012 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

The invaders put many millstones around the necks of the First Nations.
One millstone is pseudo-democracy, to replace traditional forms of governing.

The pseudo-democratic forms include elections to “Indian” band councils similar to the elections that the USA and Canada use for their own pseudo-democratic governing.

Such election forms tend to create corruption and male-domination, and oppression of minorities (not racial minorities, but the members outside the ruling clique).

The conquering invader governments should evolve their own elections to become a democracy, and should allow First Nations to evolve their governing forms as they see fit.

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By Lumpenproletarier, May 3, 2012 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

Though Hedges is clearly delusional, his very
existence should provide some level of comfort to
those filled with anxiety about the evil elites and
capitalists: If things were actually as bad as he
claims, the elites would have silenced him long ago.

Go to Gapminder.org, and view “Wealth and Health of
nations”:
http://www.gapminder.org/world/#$majorMode=chart$is;s
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By americanme, May 3, 2012 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

Korky:

Have it your way, run right out and vote.  Several times,, too.

Someone told me years ago:  Never come between and addict and his addiction—he’ll kill you.

Now, to put your addiction to voting in perspective, I think it’s time you told us about your OTHER addictions.

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By americanme, May 3, 2012 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

truthdigger3 (sic)

You didn’t read the article.  Hedges SPECIFICALLY said that Native American life was NOT idyllic.

And the Aztecs and Incas never lived in what you call the US.  The Aztecs were in Mexico, the Incas in South America (what is now Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia).

As for human sacrifices—what about your guy Jesus Christ?  Or all those folks that perished in bonfires in Europe and New England? 

When folks were sacrificed in indigenous ceremonies it was to keep the sun in the sky and the rain on time to water the crops.  They didn’t scarifice just any old person, and it wasn’t done just for the hell of it—because the person said something that put him or her crosswise of the power wielders of the moment.

Have you ever considered that it’s about time you learned to THINK?

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By americanme, May 3, 2012 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

Reza the Racist:

Do you ALWAYS blame somebody else when YOU shoot YOURSERLF in the foot?  Folks who do that are cowards.  Your life was given to you to live RESPONSIBLY, not blame your fuckups on everybody else.

The AUTHOR—I assume you are referring to Chris Hedges—said that Native American life was not idyllic.

If you do not know how to place chess, don’t sit down and start grabbing the pieces and moaking foolish moves.

I am never smug—just right.  I don’t post without knowing what I am talking about.  And I don’t post personal attacks and other fatuous crapola here just because someone in the US government pays me to do so.

The point of using language is to COMMUNICATE.  You folks, in the great majority, do not know how to communicate—you shout and bully and shoot and bomb and when you don’t like what someone has to say to you, your first response is to try to silence that person by killing him.

Here in virtual space you can’t kill anyone—although I have had mentally-challenged retrograde racists threaten me with death.  So you make stupid personal attacks—usually slathered with four letter words and 3-year-old potty talk.

I couldn’t possibly care less.

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By katsteevns, May 3, 2012 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

The last entry in the bible should be, “Well, I told you so!”

“Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.” - Matthew 24:12

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By katsteevns, May 3, 2012 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

The last entry in the bible should be, ‘“I told you so”.

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By Korky Day, May 3, 2012 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

“ChaviztaKing” is too harsh on some parties, like my Green Party (but likes our presidential candidate for whom I voted in 2008, Cynthia McKinney).

It’s good strategy for a party to propose gradually going in the direction of socialism in some parts of the economy (health insurance, especially).  That party gets a lot more votes than those which propose something more sudden and drastic.

If the people want gradual change, let them vote that way and get that result.

If the people want sudden change, let them vote that way and get that result.

If only the USA had a democracy, we could try that out.

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By Korky Day, May 3, 2012 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

When someone confesses under torture, reasonable people understand their confession for what it is.

Similarly, when anyone votes, reasonable people understand that voters of various attitudes toward voting are making the best of a tough situation.

Unreasonable people ASSUME that abstainers are lazy, apolitical, etc.

Likewise, unreasonable people ASSUME that voters are agreeing to be ruled by whoever “wins”, are approving of the system of voting, and are approving of the sovereignty of the country, etc.

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By heterochromatic, May 3, 2012 at 6:25 am Link to this comment

dia—- story of two days in ER waiting seems pretty far-fetched…as does…


“the vampires that run America’s medical empire”

great majority of hospitals in US are government or non-profit


try not to get carried away.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, May 3, 2012 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

Dear ChaviztaKing,
So, do you favor highly progressive taxation?  That is, do you favor attenuation of potential reward for those who’s nature is greed and disproportionate love of self?

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By diamond, May 3, 2012 at 2:31 am Link to this comment

“ain’t nobody ever going to go after that baby for the million bucks of medical
care….but the baby DID get every bit of the care she required…..didn’t she?”

It’s the parents who have to pay. They haven’t started throwing babies out of incubators yet for non payment of the cost of their delivery. Not as FAR AS I KNOW. But I wouldn’t put it past the vampires that run America’s medical empire to do exactly that. They have already turned premature babies away at the door of hospitals because the parents weren’t insured.

I also heard a story on the radio from a foreigner who lived in America for a time because of his job. His daughter tripped over and cut her lip. He was insured and his daughter got the best of care. The doctor even recommended a plastic surgeon so that she wouldn’t have even a trace of a scar on her lip. At the same time his black maid’s son fell over and fractured his skull on a concrete path. The black child with a head injury sat in the emergency room for TWO DAYS before he saw a doctor. You can look at this two ways: (1) serves the black maid right for not having the money to pay hugely expensive private insurance or (2) how dare anyone have a system which rewards those who already have every reward and punishes those who are the poorest, most vulnerable members of society. Any way you look at it, that’s no way to run a society.

That society is becoming something you warn your children about: “Now when you grow up, don’t be like the capitalists. Don’t be selfish, don’t be greedy, don’t be cruel, don’t be unjust, don’t be intolerant, don’t be arrogant, don’t have wars and kill other people’s children, don’t have good health care for the rich and abysmal health care for the poor, don’t let the rich kids steal the poor kids’ allowances and GET AWAY WITH IT…’

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By truedigger3, May 3, 2012 at 1:59 am Link to this comment

This article has some good points but I have some reservations about some points:
1) No mention of the dire need for birth control in planet Earth. Earth cannot provide decent life for all these people and consequently there bound to be injustice as some people will take more than “their fair share” to have a decent life. That does not mean I support profligate consumtion, greed and lack of empathy.

2) Most of these indigenous people that Hedges romanticises, although they had some good ideas, they were at constant waring with each other and many of them were very cruel, merciless and many of them practiced human sarcrifices like the Aztecs and Inkas.

3) Why Hedges keep attacking enlightenment?? Yes, enlightenment did not bring all the answers to the secrets of life and creation, but more secrets are discovered each day. Would Hedges prefered the world to stay under the Control of Popes in Rome and the Royal and Feudal families and the supremacy of superstitions among them religions??!!

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By Ali Reza, May 3, 2012 at 1:46 am Link to this comment

“1.  I would like you to indicate who on this thread
mentioned noble savages or automatically idolized
Native Americans.”

Forget the thread. Look at what the AUTHOR wrote.

I can just see your smug face as you sat there writing
that reply:

CHEQUEMAET RACIT’S

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 10:28 pm Link to this comment

Chavista—- thank you for your wonderful ideas about that list of people you
think to be…

ZERO EGOCENTRISM AND 100%
ALTRUISM, HONESTY, HUMILITY, SERVILISM (WILLING TO
SERVE AND HELP OTHERS), COOPERATIVISM, SOLIDARITY,
GOODNESS, FRIENDLINESS, FORGIVNESS, AND 100% LOVE !!


—- tremendously eccentric and fantastic.


http://youtu.be/8nlD_BQnAFw

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By ChaviztaKing, May 2, 2012 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

Dear John Best: Of course left-wing organizations
preach anti-egoism philosophy. And that’s why i blame
left-wing parties, socialist workers parties, like
The Socialist Workers Party of Spain and The
Socialist Party of Chile who both applied a
neoliberalism IMF oligarchic economic model when Jose
Luis Rodrigez Zapatero of Spain and Michelle
Bachellet of Chile were presidents of those 2
countries.  Instead of helping evolve those countries
thru reforms toward a socialist labor state, with
nationalizations of their large enterprises under
workers councils and workers management.  What they
did was a slap in the face to their poor populations
by applying neoliberalism Chicago Boys school of
economics.  Just like the US government is doing,
which is privatizing many state corporations.

And I don’t blame the right-wing.  Because the ring-
wing capitalist politicians are supposed to be
selfish and anti-altruism.

That’s why I blame many of the bourgeoise-reformist
political parties in USA, that call them selves
“socialists” and “leftists”.  But are not socialists
at all.  They are more or less in favor of a welfare
regulated Norway style of capitalism, with a bit of
higher taxes on the rich. And a bit of higher
spending on food stamps and free health care
services.  But that is still right-wing free markets,
but a sort of humanized right-wing capitalism.

Parties like The Green Party, The Socialist Party of
USA, The Communist Party of USA.  The people of
Socialist Worker http://www.socialistworker.org.  The
writters and thinkers of The Nation Magazine
http://www.thenation.com and many bourgeoise liberal
celebrities like Jeremy Scahill, Paul Krugman, Jeremy
Scahill, Matt Taibi, Noam Chomsky, Laura Flanders,
Norman Solomon, Michael Moore, Tom Engelhardt, Naomi
Prince, Max Keiser, Thom Hardtmann. And the people of
The Russia Today News Network http://www.rt.com all
those progressive political commentators, progressive
writters are not left-wingers at all. They don’t
openly advocate for a socialist labor state in USA. 
For a dictatorship of the working class and poor
peasants in USA.  For the workers of USA to run the
country, to own the companies and to manage all large
companies of America.  They don’t advocate that
radical workers-government in America.

Those people i mentioned are part of the College-
left, Middle class left, bourgeoise-liberal left,
elitist mainstream left. In other words most of them
because of their nature of their high-incomes, and
high living standards of a middle class lifestyle,
tend to be naturally reluctant to advoctate for a
radical dictatorship of the proletariat like the real
leftist founders (Marx, Lenin and Trotsky) advocated.

So I think that the USA not only needs a real left,
but a leftist front with people who have ZERO LEVELS
OF EGOCENTRISM AND WHO LIVE A LOWER CLASS LIFESTYLE,
EVEN IF THEY PART OF THE MIDDLE CLASS.  BECAUSE THE
PHILOSOPHY OF LIVING OF THE MIDDLE CLASS IN AMERICA
IS ALREADY A BIG IMPEDIMENT FOR A PERSON TO ADVOCATE
A MARXIST WORKERS-STATE IN AMERICA.

So again we need a LARGE LABOR PARTY AS A THIRD PARTY
OPTION FOR THE 2016 ELECTIONS in USA, composed of
leaders like Chris Hedges, Cindy Sheehan, Cynthia
Mckinney, Larry Holmes, Kucinich, and many other
socialist leaders who have ZERO EGOCENTRISM AND 100%
ALTRUISM, HONESTY, HUMILITY, SERVILISM (WILLING TO
SERVE AND HELP OTHERS), COOPERATIVISM, SOLIDARITY,
GOODNESS, FRIENDLINESS, FORGIVNESS, AND 100% LOVE !!


.

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By americanme, May 2, 2012 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

korky:

Mark is right and you, unfortunately but also habitually, are wrong.

Every time you vote you pledge allegiance to the system which many folks here insist on saying that they are against.

Insanity is epidemic in the US.

There are fewer and fewer posters here who make any sense at all.  I can count them on the fingers of one hand—and have a couple of fingers left over.

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