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We Can’t Afford War

Posted on Jun 29, 2010
U.S. Marine Corps / Lance Cpl. Alfredo V. Ferrer

A U.S. Marine assigned to 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, places Lance Cpl. Jacob A. Meinert’s dog tags over an M16 rifle during a memorial service last week. Six Marines assigned to the battalion were killed in action during their seven-month deployment to the Helmand province of Afghanistan.

By Amy Goodman

“General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts,” began the attack ad against Gen. David Petraeus back in 2007, after he had delivered a report to Congress on the status of the war in Iraq. George W. Bush was president, and MoveOn was accusing Petraeus of “cooking the books for the White House.” The campaign asked “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?” on a full-page ad in The Washington Post. MoveOn took tremendous heat for the campaign, but stood its ground.

Three years later, Barack Obama is president, Petraeus has become his man in Afghanistan, and MoveOn pulls the critical Web content. Why? Because Bush’s first war, Afghanistan, has become Obama’s war, a quagmire. The U.S. will eventually negotiate its withdrawal from Afghanistan. The only difference between now and then will be the number of dead, on all sides, and the amount of (borrowed) money that will be spent.

Petraeus’ confirmation to become the military commander in Afghanistan was never in question. He replaces Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who resigned shortly after his macho criticisms of his civilian leadership became public in a recent Rolling Stone magazine article.

The statistics for Afghanistan, Obama’s Vietnam, are surging. June, with at least 100 U.S. deaths, is the highest number reported since the invasion in 2001. 2010 is on pace to be the year with the highest U.S. fatalities. Similar fates have befallen soldiers from the other, so-called coalition countries. Petraeus is becoming commander not only of the U.S. military in Afghanistan, but of all forces, as the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan is run by NATO.

U.S. troops, expected to rise to 98,000 this year, far outnumber those from other nations. Public and political support in many of those countries is waning.


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Journalist Michael Hastings, who wrote the Rolling Stone piece, was in Paris with McChrystal to profile him. What didn’t get as much attention was Hastings’ description of why McChrystal was there:

“He’s in France to sell his new war strategy to our NATO allies—to keep up the fiction, in essence, that we actually have allies. Since McChrystal took over a year ago, the Afghan war has become the exclusive property of the United States. Opposition to the war has already toppled the Dutch government, forced the resignation of Germany’s president and sparked both Canada and the Netherlands to announce the withdrawal of their 4,500 troops. McChrystal is in Paris to keep the French, who have lost more than 40 soldiers in Afghanistan, from going all wobbly on him.”

The whistle-blower website, which received international attention after releasing leaked video from a U.S. attack helicopter showing the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians and a Reuters cameraman and his driver in Baghdad, has just posted a confidential CIA memo detailing possible public relations strategies to counter waning public support for the Afghan War. The agency memo reads: “If domestic politics forces the Dutch to depart, politicians elsewhere might cite a precedent for ‘listening to the voters.’ French and German leaders have over the past two years taken steps to preempt an upsurge of opposition but their vulnerability may be higher now.”

I just returned from Toronto, covering the G-20 summit and the protests. The gathered leaders pledged, among other things, to reduce government deficits by 50 percent by 2013. In the U.S., that means cutting $800 billion, or about 20 percent of the budget. Two Nobel Prize-winning economists have weighed in with grave predictions. Joseph Stiglitz said, “There are many cases where these kinds of austerity measures have led to ... recessions into depressions.” And Paul Krugman wrote: “Who will pay the price for this triumph of orthodoxy? The answer is, tens of millions of unemployed workers, many of whom will go jobless for years, and some of whom will never work again.”

In order to make the cuts promised, Obama would have to raise taxes and cut social programs such as Social Security and Medicare. Or he could cut the war budget. I say “war budget” because it is not to be confused with a defense budget. Cities and states across the country are facing devastating budget crises. Pensions are being wiped out. Foreclosures are continuing at record levels. A true defense budget would shore up our schools, our roads, our towns, our social safety net. The U.S. House of Representatives is under pressure to pass a $33 billion Afghan War supplemental this week.

We can’t afford war.

Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column.

Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 800 stations in North America. She is the author of “Breaking the Sound Barrier,” recently released in paperback and now a New York Times best-seller.

© 2010 Amy Goodman

Distributed by King Features Syndicate

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By Ann, March 15, 2012 at 6:46 am Link to this comment
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The wikileaks video was NOT ‘indiscriminate slaughter.’  It was a tragedy, but it was not intentional.  The journalists were in an especially disreputable neighborhood.  Hindsight is 20/20 so it’s easy for people to claim that they were supposedly obvious reporters.  Their equipment looked like weaponry, and I’m sure that if you watched the video separate from any description you would too.  The real indiscriminate slaughter is perpetrated by the insurgencies.  The number one killer of Afghans and Iraqis has always been fellow Afghans and Iraqis.  Coalition ROE (especially within the last two or three years) has always put the safety of civilians above the safety of the military.

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By MarthaA, December 8, 2010 at 12:47 am Link to this comment

Stop the wealthy from needlessly taking borrowed money that will cripple the nation.  It is not tax cuts—it is borrowed money—CREDIT.

When the nation as a whole through two needless wars on borrowed money, banking corruption on borrowed money, supposed tax cuts on borrowed money, and propaganda promoted by Conservatives and Republicans have made the United States as a nation too poor to be giving welfare to the wealthy who will not circulate the money, but will conserve their ill gotten gain, as they already have 98% of the wealth of the nation.

Instead, the borrowed money should be used for restoring the Cost of Living Increase (COLA) to the working and retired of the common population, and helping the unemployed survive to keep the economy circling, which will not happen when given to the wealthy, who will simply stash it away.

Conservatives and Republicans have been trying to deliberately destroy Social Security, Medicare and all infrastructure of the social net of the Common Population since its inception and will be overjoyed if President Obama helps them to completely destroy the economy.

Social Security and Medicare help the economy and any money given to the common population will keep the economy circling, but if the wealthy are allowed to conserve the necessary money the nation needs to keep the economy circling to strengthen the economy, then all involved, including President Obama, will have a part in the total destruction of the nation’s economy. 

Credit doesn’t work for a nation any better than for a single individual, especially when said nation’s leaders have apparently decided to bankrupt the nation.

President Obama doesn’t have to bankrupt the nation, he can do what is needed with an Executive Order, there is no reason for him to suck up to the Conservatives and Republicans like a whipped pup.  President Obama needs to start acting like a President with power, instead of a wimp taking orders from the Conservatives and Republicans.

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By drbhelthi, December 6, 2010 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

Speaking of what we know as the “future,”

I wonder if President Eisenhower ever told anyone

what transpired during the twenty minutes he visited

inside the extraterrestrial craft on Holloman, Feb

1955?  And if he did, is anyone still alive?

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By MarthaA, December 5, 2010 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

War on Credit and Tax Cuts on Credit for the Elite at the expense of the infrastructure and safety net of the 70% Majority Common Population is a great idea for the autocratic Republican rich and famous, but is a really bad idea for the 70% Majority Common Population, the American Common Populace and their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren.

I suspect the computerized readers that read the paper ballots were manipulated, because there was an awful lot of Democrats at the polls for the Republicans to have won the vote.  When the Republicans get back into full control of the people’s house, I suspect they will finish the country off and move on to the ascending economy, China; and it’s a toss up what will happen to the Common Population after that move; probably be scratching in the dirt for grub worms, unless the new elite, the Professional Middle Class, can pull the country back from oblivion.

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By Uncomunicado, December 5, 2010 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

Here are a couple quotes which may explain the military industrial complex

This eventually led to the radical MP Thomas Dunscobe commenting in 1828 that, “Master of unbound wealth, he boasts that he is the arbiter of peace and war, and that the credit of nations depends upon his nod; his correspondents innumerable; his couriers outrun those of sovereign princes, and absolute sovereigns; ministers of state are in his pay.  Paramount in the cabinets of continental Europe, he aspires to the domination of our own.”  This is in reference to Nathan Mayer Rothschild, who was the founder of one of the largest banks of the 19th century.

During the year of 1458, Pope Pius II commented on Giovanni Medici’s son saying, “Political questions are settled at his house.  The man he chooses holds office…He it is who decides peace and war and controls the laws.  He is king in everything but name.”

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By ofersince72, July 19, 2010 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

You very well may have identified a major problem

  Inovation,  an idea that both of those that identify
themselves as “liberals” or “conservatives” are lacking,
and will continue not to understand that term as
long as they get the support they have been getting from
those that believe they are of a privilaged class and
will be protected by the Dems or Pubs…...............

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By ofersince72, July 19, 2010 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

I suggest you read or re-read MANUFACTURING CONSENT

or some of the eighties and ninties writings of

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By ofersince72, July 19, 2010 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment


  Are you trying to sell me that the MSMs and other
mainstreams news services such as NYT and WAPO are
objective news and opinion services????????????

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By ThomasG, July 19, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, July 19 at 3:35 am,

It would be a damned shame to corrupt a perfectly subjective mind with anything that smacks of objective reality——right??!!

Innovationism also known as —Liberalism— and Conservatism, a polarized choice of one to the exclusion of the other is a false choice.

Innovationism also known as —Liberalism— provides growth and development, and Conservatism provides order and stability.

Order and stability in the absence of growth and development results in arrested development and growth, and development in the absence of order and stability results in chaos.

Therefore, a choice of one or the other to the exclusion of the one remaining is a false choice, since both Innovationism also known as—Liberalism— and Conservatism are both ncessary to balance and equilibrium, and a false choice of one to the exclusion of the other will result in chaos or arrested development.

Balance between order and stability and growth and development is an enlightened choice that addresses both the concerns of Conservatism and Liberalism—which is the same as Innovationism.

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By ofersince72, July 18, 2010 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment


I don’t corrupt my mind with the crap on mainstream
Sunday morning politcal talk shows..

You shouldn’t either !

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By drbhelthi, July 18, 2010 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

I would like to respectfully disagree.
No pawn of the double-dozen, rich demagogues of the
world will be able to turn their decisions around.
Only the patriots of the U.S.A. can do it.

The difference between the democratic and the
republican parties exists in name only. Both are
controlled by the israeli lobby, which is controlled
by the dirty,double-dozen, rich demagogues.
Essentially, the Rotschild family.

Hacking for them for over 20 yrs in the CIA, then
being illegally installed into the U.S. Presidency
by them. No such person can “turn around” their
decisions. We observe that the NWO moves slowly
forward. Meanwhile, the queen´s men destroy the Gulf
of Mexico coast, because little Jr. Bush couldn´t
clear out the indigenous from New Orleans in order
to establish the queen´s “Oil Port.”

The BP disaster an accident?
After 24 months of planning. Take a look at the
history of BP stock exchanges over the last twelve

And, be aware that NEWSMAX.COM is the new, online
organ of the republican party.  You might take
enough time to read up on the history of the Bush
family, basically NAZI supporters. Which party
supported GHWBSr. ?  Which party supported GHWBJr. ? 
Webster Tarpley and others say that GHWBSr was a
NAZI spy. Who revamped the OSS into the CIA?

The great American patriots of Jewish belief, Mrs.
Mae Brussell and Mr. Sherman Skolnick provided us
with the answers twenty-five years ago.
Too bad that “we” collectively pissed them away . .
. . .

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By MarthaA, July 18, 2010 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

If you watched Meet The Press with David Gregory this morning you should get a clue that the Obama administration is slowly turning the Conservative Republicans weapons of mass deception and destruction around.  If you did not get a chance to see it, you should try to catch in on an internet video.

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By huckleberry_finn, July 18, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

Well, it’s been quite a while since the whole story
unfolded and what do we have? General shift of strategy or any great achievements? I doubt.  Seems that author of this article was right — Petraeus-McChrystal story was about trading bad for worse.

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By Ben Franklin, July 5, 2010 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, Amy Goodman is right: We can´t afford war. Furthermore, we all lose with war. It´s time to protest and condemn what is happening in Afganistan and other world regions.

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By drbhelthi, July 5, 2010 at 8:48 am Link to this comment

Probably because only .003% of the populace make the

Overload oneself with insignificant trivia?

She decides to be useful and explain relevant issues.

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By Ger, July 5, 2010 at 4:46 am Link to this comment
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Pretty cynical to put technically the highest commanding US officer, who had recently passed out at a Senate, off to jolly Afghanistan, but as the following article points out, there is always more to it, as for the cost of war, it is largely irrelevant and stating the obvious…....nothing like a war to stimuale an economy as Bush pointed out to the former Argentinian president, documented in Oliver Stone’s ‘South of the Border’

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By the worm, July 4, 2010 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

‘We’re at war!” “In this time of war….” “A war-time President”

One of the great things about the Congress giving up the power to declare ‘war’
is that any and ever President can be ‘at war’, serve in ‘a time of war’ and be a
‘war-time President’.

All the latitude to trample on civil rights, kill, maim, destroy lives, etc. is
enjoyed and virtually no constraints are placed on the President by Congress.

It’s basically up to the citizens to put pressure on Congress and the President to
end the insanity, but, of course, that cant happen. Like Congress, which cannot
stop the President from ‘going to war’, citizens can stop neither Congress nor
the President.

Are we consigned as a nation to continual ‘war fare’? To constantly being ‘at
war’, ‘a time of war’, etc ?

It is not only McChrystal who owes Obama ‘an apology’, it is McChrystal and
Obma who owe the nation ‘an apology’. Obama appointed a man who was
behind the cover-up and then the lies about Pat Tillman’s murder by ‘friendly
fire’ (so we know what kind of a ‘man of honor’ McChrystal is); the man who
was appointed turned out to not be a ‘man of honor’ (really?, but a double-
dealer and double-crosser). The man who appointed the man is a ‘war time
President’ - like all Presiedents since we invaded Grenada and the Panama
Canal), and, so, we must ‘support him’.

Yours Truly,
From the Greatest Democracy the World has Ever Known

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By PatrickHenry, July 4, 2010 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

We can’t afford war but we sure can afford the munitions to wage it.

The last great bastion of our domestic production, military weapons.

Forget that the auto companies, appliance and computer manufacturing industries have been out sourced to countries with less social costs and more environmentally unfriendly regulation.  Boeing, Mcdonnell Douglas, Ratheyon, General Dynamics, Lockeed are booming.

Whats wrong with this picture?

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By Druthers, July 4, 2010 at 3:10 am Link to this comment
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“We can’t afford war”

We could add, “We don’t want war” but who ever thought of asking us?  We just pay for war.

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By drbhelthi, July 3, 2010 at 2:20 am Link to this comment

Mrs. Amy Goodman “biased” against “israel” ?

Lyndon B. Johnson threatened the remaining crew of
the USS Liberty with death, if they revealed his
cover-up of the sneaking israeli attack on the USS
Liberty, 8 June 1967, as reported by various
American HEROES who outlived the israeli/Lyndon B.
Johnson treason.  Having recently repeated a much
less intensive, quasi-USS Liberty attack on the high
seas, against which type of piracy four nations have
deployed military might off the coast of Indonesia,
the chief Israeli dictator receives a fonecall from
the US presidency occupunk, who asks “- how can we
help?”  A repeat of the Lyndon B. Johnson
treasonous deportment against American and other

This time by a foreign born puppet, of the two-dozen
world “elitists,” who isn’t qualified even to
declare candidacy for the US Presidency, much less
be illegally installed into the position ! Did he
also ask, “- would you like me to increase your
daily stipend of fifteen million dollars to twenty
million” ?

- Which murderous, israeli machine uses over 200
nukes in its possession, “bestowed” by Bush I,
Clinton, and Bush II at junkyard prices, to
intimidate opponents in the U.S. Congress? 
- While declaring, “We will back you 100% if you
expend American lives and US military might to
destroy Iran.”  (We will hide in our underground
bunkers while you
kill each other off, then afterwards, declare to the
world what a good job “we” did.)                                                         
- This, as israeli pimp Bernanke admitted over two
years ago that the Federal Reserve caused the 1920s
depression, and while initiating a repeat of the
1920s depression, promised not to repeat it ?  See

The word “bias” suggests a conclusion based on
predetermined, non objective values or information. 
Basing ones opinion of a tribe on a historical
pattern that the tribe has consistently presented
for a few thousand years is empirical, not biased. 
It is termed “bias” only by the biased and “word
smithers” practicing propagandaism.

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By mrtmbrnmn, July 2, 2010 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment

Amy…You write “we can’t afford war”.  That may well be true, but it is essentially liberal naivete. The “war” in Afghanistan Bananastan Vietnamistan will continue until there is not another dollar that can be squeezed or stolen out of the catastrophe.  The cost of the war is the point of the war.  The more it costs the more the criminal enterprises who own/run our country will make/steal from it. Just as the oil spill will not end until the last drop of oil has dribbled from that well, maybe 15 or 20 years from now.  We are irrelevant.  Our concerns are irrelevant.  Our welfare is irrelevant.  Our very lives are irrelevant.  Everything is all about the moolah.  And history will record, if there is any history after these criminals have brought on the end of the world as we know it, that one the greatest villains in the history of world was/is that University of Chicago ignoble economist and dwarf Milton Friedman. His vile, poisonous, shriveled dick economic philosophy which has been sweeping the world for the past 30+ years is right up there with the black plague.  Jeeeze Louise!!!

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By Lesley Palmer, July 2, 2010 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment
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Is it possible that there are secret strategic global reasons for us to be in Afghanistan, other than fighting Al Quaeda?  Perhaps we are there to watch over Pakistan, the Russians, the Iranians, or to block Chinese influence, or it’s an ongoing reponse to some corporate economic pressure with regard to lucrative resources, transportation corridors to energy-minerals, or central access to a wide swath of enemies. The mishandling of this entire enterprise leads me to believe that something else is up…and it’s not the Taliban. Why does Obama insist on continuing to call this a good war in our national security interest?

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By Peter Knopfler, July 2, 2010 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

Amy with Democracy now on line,
Over the years she has become less neutral and more
bias. This particular perspective on the WAR of THE
GENERALS, I happen to agree with Amy.
Maybe THE GENERAl can keep from passing out in front
of questions and His passing gas in Afghanistan is
more normal, every great Empire has done the same,
America is no different. The principle is to get
there and set it up to block Chinese expansion.
Before we worried of Soviets/communism. now its
fundamental hatred for American WAR Machine, the red
machine is now an American contribution to world
peace. Soldiers for Jesus are just around the corner,
fear based society, The Russians are coming, NOW the
Chinese are definitely here in retail, soon in
Chinese super power is a COMMUNIST SUPER POWER.
Yes folks we borrowed so much money from the Chinese
that we can not call them communists,
they are republic of China like republic of America.
Soon you will not tell the difference. Amy is good
watch dog as long as you do not support Israel Her
bias there is far too obvious, I did buy her Book..
breaking the sound barrier!

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By tronski, July 2, 2010 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

What more do we ordinaries need to see Washington as the lackey of corporations, not the public? We now have more unemployed than since the depression, a new depression called “recession,” as though it’s momentary, the infrastructure crumbles, education falters, and we expand the military operations throughout the globe. We have spent 300 billion on a war in Afghanistan as fruitless and stupid as Vietnam. Eleven hundred military dead. For what? We know the answer—to serve the corpocracy ruling this country, the major parties its servants, the president Lackey No 1. I see Uncle Sam in the typical image with his hat on, his finger out, and saying, “I want a third party, a peoples’ party!”

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By JohannG, July 2, 2010 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

In full agreement, for what it’s worth…

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By born_2b_different, July 2, 2010 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

“70% of Americans never wanted the invasion of Iraq to go ahead in the first place”

You got it backwards.  Over 70% of Americans SUPPORTED the terorist attack on Iraq.

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By REDHORSE, July 2, 2010 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

In the days of black and white T.V., the evil Khan of the Flash Gordon series would enslave his victims, by placing a special helmet on their heads that prevented independent thought, and made them slaves. Flash would save the day, remove the helmet, and, as if waking up, they’d rub their heads and ask, “—what happened to me?—”.

      I’m laughing to keep from crying.

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By Hulk2008, July 2, 2010 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

The reason that we can “afford” war is that ALL Repugs and a large numer of Dems are supported by the war machine.

I voted for O because I thought he was the best chance for a total pullout from the Middle East - Hillary is great but a bit more hawkish.  And McCain-Palin would have us invading every country including Outer Mongolia for the next 1000 years.  And NONE of them could counteract the bonehead Wall Street bungles. 

The Dems might have been smarter politically to have taken a dive in the last couple of elections, letting the Repugs shoot themselves in the foot.  But what’s a mother to do?  SOMEbody had to stand up and take a try at the tasks. 

The Repugs have a plan for everything - basically it’s to get those walruses from the BP spill plan involved in various forms of clean-up. 

Here’s a question for all those Libertarians out there:
If you don’t believe in government, how can you run for office or vote? (ala “I wouldn’t join a club who would have me as a member”.)
Libertarians don’t follow their own stated “principles” - they are just as power hungry as the rest.

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By Trailing Begonia, July 2, 2010 at 7:27 am Link to this comment

Correction:  that was supposed to be the MIC (instead of the MIS) on my prior comment.  Slip-o-da-finger here.

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By Trailing Begonia, July 2, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

Who says “we” can’t afford war?  The NYT just reported that they’ve unanimously approved another 8 billion.  It can be said that the MIS is in the money, baby!

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By bogi666, July 2, 2010 at 12:56 am Link to this comment
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FAT FREDDY, great comments about the government/bankster accounting fraud by having the accounting boards changing standards thereby legalizing fraud. I’ve been an accountant and it is a disgusting profession.The globalization of capital legalizes and facilitates money laundering. It’s easy to find, just walk around Cancun, and the businesses used to launder money, thanks to NAFTA, are easily recognized.The easiest being a portable closet money exchange front which is never open. Then there is a string of Dr. Scholls storefronts, exclusively for Dr. Scholl products, which I never saw a customer in.  I have to disagree with you about entitlements which were prior to Bretton Woods terminating. They do bring about some distribution of income which enables consumerism and ultimately the wealthy and the CORPORATE WELFARE KINGS benefit but they have to work for it which they don’t like being the lazy, corrupt psychopaths they are. Then their is the psychopathic optimism propaganda of this society by government, business,churches which has created a society of mindlessness which is institutionalized thereby legitimizing it.

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By sfdrummer, July 1, 2010 at 11:47 pm Link to this comment
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Love you Amy! War is the demise of the poor at the expense of the rich, period!!!

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By gerard, July 1, 2010 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

NYCartist:  It suddenly came to me where my ideas are coming from.  Yes, that is, Fromm, Erich, ESCAPE FROM FREEDOM.  How long ago was that speculation made?  1910 or so?  Shows where I’m coming from!  Ah me, there’s nothing new under the sun—only garbled rehashes of somebody else’s brilliance!

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By gerard, July 1, 2010 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

Postscript for NYCartist:

Consider also, the US-dominated, flagrant license of the financial sector and its utter inability to bring its excesses under control—the corporations who are robbing people and the earth out of all reason. 

The interesting but rather impractical answer of the religious right is that God (the Great Dictator from Above) is going to come down and stop all this nonsense once and for all, proving that humans “have too much freedom”.  Have another potato chip, crunch, crunch.  What’s on TV?

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By gerard, July 1, 2010 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

NYCartist:  Maybe you missed my point.  It was pure speculation and I know I wasn’t being entirely clear. I was making it up as I went along—which is a risk on these strings.  However:

Your comment:  gerard: what do you mean when you say “Americans have more freedom than they (me/us)can manage”?  Odd since we are fast leaning into fascist (including police state)...

According to what I meant to say, you are helping me make my point.  Along with my list of evidences of lack of self-control leading to an unconscious desire for control from outside, the presently erupting enthusiasm for fascism (meaning enforced orthodoxy to some more-or-less “hallowed” belief in an orderly system) is evidence for a significant public urge to put more control on, allow more control over American society. Evidence is clearest in the right wing (orthodox religion, guns, enforcement of law and order, willingness to be led by fanatics preaching a return to a better-ordered past etc. etc.) but my hunch is that Democrats—even libs and progs—are not entirely immune unless they have begun to see the big picture.  I may be wrong, of course.  Take it further if you wish.
  Of course I cannot prove any of my speculations. They are feelings, intuitions, and there is no research that I know of to back them up.  But when you consider the vast amount of over-the-top behavior (including wars, bases, militant attitudes etc.) in this country, it makes you wonder just what is going on beneath the surface, psychologically speaking.

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By moonraven, July 1, 2010 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

Hell, the US government is so broke it can’t afford a tall capuccino from Awshucks!

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By NYCartist, July 1, 2010 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

And read Dilip Hiro on on Afghanistan and Phyllis Bennis (google her name)
All sources I listed are excellent, factual.

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By NYCartist, July 1, 2010 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

Two more excellent writers on Afghanistan:(for gerard, et al)
David Barsamian (has radio show; great interviews, books and has spoken beautifully on Afghanistan.
Barsamian is brilliant.  Wonderful interview of Zinn,too.

Tariq Ali recently on DemocracyNow…Ali is in my generation, long time activist,

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By NYCartist, July 1, 2010 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

gerard: BlackAgendaReport is having temp. technical difficulty.  On one of your comments re leaving Afghanistan without a plan to exit is ...I refer you to the writing of Howard Zinn on getting out of Vietnam, which addresses the same lament you have revived in re Afghanistan.  It’s been updated for
Afghanistan by writers like Norman Solomon and Anthony Arnove.  Also much to read on the subject on See Chalmers Johnson’s writing also. Some of his work is on TomDispatch.

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By NYCartist, July 1, 2010 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

gerard: what do you mean when you say “Americans have more freedom than they (me/us)can manage”?  Odd since we are fast leaning into fascist (including police state)...see  “Too much freedom”?  An odd concept.

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By REDHORSE, July 1, 2010 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

DIAMONDS suggestion that the OPIUM POPPY is a much overlooked reality of the Afghan War is spot on. Later poster comments about B.O.A, the Wacovia thugs and others laundering international drug money at least, if not the proof, points toward the pudding.

    I find a silent message in many of the posts at TRUTHDIG that seems to say: “—is this really happening?—”. We all know, IT IS!!

    LOOK!! It is the point of propaganda to twist truth, manufacture and impose, a false reality. That’s where we are—it’s not something else. We are trying to shake off the effects of a brutal enforced manufactured LIE!! It is no longer viable. Accept that and stop giving it the power of any credible comsideration at all.

    The entire thread so far boils (my opinion) down to the poster who said simply that we can either (paraphrase) GET POLITICALLY INVOLVED-PUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN PROTEST OR READ MS. GOODMAN AND MOPE.

    It’s that simple. THE POWER IS WITH “—We the people—”. It is the LIE MACHINE that makes you feel hopeless and powerless. We out number them. They know it. Make’em feel it!

    Again. We were betrayed in the last two major national elections. The Democrats and President O both rode to power on the populist demand for change and a new future. They have proven themselves moral bankrupts. DONT QUIT!! November is close. VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!

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By Fat Freddy, July 1, 2010 at 5:05 am Link to this comment


One that hasn’t come true yet, is the fall of home prices, at least to the degree where they should be. There are a couple reasons for this. The most obvious is that banks that made bad investments were not allowed to fail, at least, not the big ones. There is also the loan modification program, which is seeing new default rates at about 70-80%.

Here’s the biggest reason that most people are not aware of. In March of 2009, the Congress strongly recommended to the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB), that they rescind rule 157. What is FASB (157)? It is mark-to-market. Also, the FDIC provided deferments to “special” banks for FASB(166/167), which determines how off-balance-sheet transactions are accounted for.  What the government has very effectively done, is legalize accounting fraud. The same type of accounting fraud that caused the Enron collapse. The government has provided another layer of fraud, on top of a fraudulent system. More shit, piled on a giant mound of shit. In all fairness, this has slowed the rate of foreclosures. Banks don’t care if people default, because they don’t have to write down the losses until the securities actually mature. “Extend and pretend”, or just flat out lie.

Most of the GDP growth, and almost all of the S&P 500 growth in the past year is in financials (bank stocks). Is it any wonder?  Banks no longer have to write down certain losses. Most of the toxic assets that banks are “covering-up”, are only worth about 20 cents on the dollar. Don’t forget, this is all on top of TARP, TALF, FDIC liquidity programs (TLGP), and Federal Reserve “emergency” 13(3) loans.

I am getting dizzy just trying to keep track of all this shit.

So, what is the answer to all of this? I think you already know. But the solution is going to cause some very severe, short term problems. There isn’t one politician in Washington that has the courage to face these problems. But these problems, in all likelihood, would be short lived. The housing market will not, and can not reset until the government and the banks stop propping up the prices, by refusing to foreclose on people who simply can not afford to make their mortgage payments. Also, it will not reset until banks are forced to liquidate all of their toxic assets, and be allowed to fail, and their assets auctioned off at firesale prices. It won’t be pretty, but the sooner we allow it to happen, the sooner we can get on the road to recovery. The current “extend and pretend” policy is only kicking the can down the road. The longer we postpone the inevitable, the worse it will be.

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By Fat Freddy, July 1, 2010 at 4:33 am Link to this comment

Who is going to save us from the idiocy of Paul Krugman and other central bank kool-aide drinking fools? Krugman used to be a decent economist, for a Keynesian, but now he’s nothing more than a shill for the Democratic Party.

Of course the wars need to end yesterday. They are a colossal waste of money, time, and resources. Not to mention they are only making us less safe, and more hated.

But anyone who thinks that simply ending the wars is going to solve our economic problems is a fool. Yes, it is a good starting point, but much more needs to be done. Cutting spending and entitlement programs and raising taxes will help, but that’s no panacea, either. Spending money on useless “broken window fallacy” (not to be confused with broken window theory) type programs will not help either. All of these possible solutions merely scratch the surface and ignore the underlying problems. All they will do is further postpone or “extend and pretend” the inevitable worldwide fiat currency collapse.

Whence it follows that the bad economist pursues a small present good that will be followed by a great evil to come, while the good economist pursues a great good to come, at the risk of a small present evil.

The problem is that most statists of both left and right flavors want to ignore, is that our entire banking system is based almost entirely on fraud. Our insistence, at the Bretton Woods agreement, to make the dollar the world’s reserve currency, was/is unsustainable.

It is this fraudulent banking system that has corrupted government, business, and the entire free market system, not to mention the recent housing market. We have moved from a production economy, to a service economy, and are now nothing more than a cheesy rent seeking economy.

In 2006, most “economists” were telling us that home prices would never fall. There was at least one person who, with amazing detail, foresaw the current crisis.

I recommend watching all 8 parts, and remember, this speech was in 2006 to a group of mortgage bankers.

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By last_boy_scout, July 1, 2010 at 4:03 am Link to this comment

Given the McChrystal’s retirement, Petraeus
appointment and the whole shift of the Afghan
strategy, I wonder what would happen to the MI-7
deal. U.S. military planned to purchase few Russian
utility helicopters, as long as they were proved to
be much more suitable and reliable in Afghanistan,
than the Blackhawks (and cheaper as well).

Senators Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala., ex D.-Ala.) and
Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), lobbying the interests
of Defense Solution group, however, questioned the
necessity of this deal (source —, having
offered to give the contract to some “good ole
American guys” rather than Russians with their
“doubtful democratic identity”. The decision-making
process should be up in the air by now. I kinda
wonder how it all would turn out.

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By drbhelthi, July 1, 2010 at 2:23 am Link to this comment

Americans love war?
Who are “Americans”? The “mother” language came from
England, defeating German by one vote.
Where did the vast majority of “Americans”
originate: England & Germany.

A “melting pot” ? Since the beginning of WWII ??
Accelerated with Lyndon B. Johnson´s nonsense, and
his great society “Bullshit,” and the outpouring of
money, scarfed up by parasite strata, the poorest
and the richest.  Insiders have stated that he
actively cooperated in the murder of John F.
Kennedy, Sr..  The video of the murder scene in
Dallas, which shows him slinking away, is revealing
to practitioners of NLP.

Behind it all were the NAZI sympathizers, who
arranged Operation Paper Clip and follow-ons,
resulting in a total of approx
eight thousand NAZI-types being secreted into the
US, 1945-1948.  NAZI moguls such as Werner von Braun
are elevated to hero status, after the NAZI HQ was
transferred to DC and Huntsville; years later to
choice locations in Colorado.

Several NAZI officers are nominated to be scapegoats
at the Nuernburg trials, while LTC Otto Skorzeny,
the last body-guard of A. Hitler, lives in the U.S. with falsified credentials,
marries an unsuspecting American and sires
offspring.  More recently, the israeli machine digs
up lowly corporals such as John (Ivan) Demjanjuk,
extradite from the US to israel, then default on his
trial.  Germany picks up where israeli dictators
stopped, extradite him to Munich where he is on
trial for “War Crimes,” wheeled around in a wheel-
chair.  A value-less distraction ?
- This, while the Israeli machine commits genocide
in Palestine, commits piracy on the “high seas”
(another “quasi” repeat of the USS Liberty incident)
and the US presidential occupunk phones the chief
israeli dictator, and “offers help” to the
murderous, israeli machine ???                                                                                                                 
- Similar to the US presidential treasonist, Lyndon
B. Johnson, who threatened the remaining crew of the
USS Liberty with death, if they revealed his cover-
up of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty?                                                           
- Which murderous, israeli machine uses over 200
nukes in its possession, “bestowed” by Bush I,
Clinton, and Bush II at junkyard prices, to
intimidate opponents in the U.S. “administration”? 
While declaring, “We will back you 100% if you use
Americans and US military might to destroy Iran.”
(We will hide in our underground bunkers while you
kill each other off, then afterwards, declare what a
good job “we” did.)                                                                                       
- This, as israeli pimps admit the Federal Reserve
caused the 1920s depression, and as they repeat it,
promise not to repeat it ?                                               
- This, as “Banks Financing Mexico Gangs Admitted in
Wells Fargo Deal” (Wachovia of N.C.) wash billions
for drug lords, funding the Mexican–US, drug-war debacle.
Types such as the Austrian who migrated to Germany,
seduced the Bavarians, then, entire Germany and
initiated WWII, similar to the history of
the Israeli tribe, which has overtaken the U.S., the
western world, and manipulates U.S. “leaders”  to continue their pattern of
and genocide in the Middle East?

Thanks to the memory of the marvellous American-
Jewish patriot, Mrs. Mae Brussell, whose historical
research revealed the source of the current
destruction and genocide in the western world and
the middle east:
Removed/replaced, but copies available from fans of Mrs. Mae Brussell.

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By bogi666, July 1, 2010 at 1:45 am Link to this comment
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FOLLOW THE MONEY, it is the Federal deficit, the proceeds from Treasury bonds which is doled out to the CORPORATE WELFARE KINGS which funds the wars.Ronald Reagan initiated the huge deficits and the proceeds went to the Pentagon. 1980, 400 lobbyists in D.C. today 45,000 all creating and chasing the Treasury bond proceeds. The deficit does not fund Social Security, Medicare, and other benefits IT FUNDS THE PENTAGON. The purpose of the Pentagon is to protect the worldwide assets of the CORPORATE WELFARE KINGS,many of whom[SCOTUS they are persons] pay not U.S. taxes.  [ie EXXON $45 billion profit no U.S. taxes] anyone who buys that its purpose is to protect our liberties propaganda a fool. Remember, the only sense that todays government has is nonsense.

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By bogi666, July 1, 2010 at 1:30 am Link to this comment
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GERARD, 7/1, 12:35 What you describe is mindlessness, the inability to discern, or even know to discern, thoughts, including thoughts of others, from fact. In fact No child left behind is meant to teach mindlessness or conformity.Mindlessness is institutionized in government, business, pretend christian churches, which gives it legitimacy. Mindlessness is readily observed daily, hourly, minute by minute on TV.

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By gerard, June 30, 2010 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

MrFreeze:  To continue a little farther:  I agree that Americans are being sold a bill of goods in the falsity of standard propaganda—that America is a “free” country, the “freest country in the world.”
that you too can reach the top if you just try hard enough, etc. etc.
  They have “freedom of speech”, they are “free to bear arms” have a “free press” and all the rest of the mythology they insist on believing even when most of them know by this time that it is not true. 
  My theory is based on the fact that because they believe it, and are not trained in self-discipline, they are (unconsciously) burdened with need for “discipline” or “limits” to help them control their (artificially stimulated) desires. They know from personal experience and from the daily news that the vast majority lack self-control—are even encouraged to scorn self- control. 
  Note:  obesity, self-medication, competitive sports, fast cars, ignore the speed limit, die with the most toys,you only live once, disobey the rules when you can get away with it, gang culture, substance abuse, etc. etc. ad infinitum. “Do you want to be a millionaire”? There’s nothing you can’t do if you really want to do it.Put your faith in God, think positive thoughts, and you too will succeed. Dream the impossible dream. 
  The idea of unlimited freedom is intoxicating—and self-defeating if it proves impossible.  Loss of status, self esteem. 
  Put people together in a highly class-conscious society, and 95% of them are doomed to frustration.
To kill the sense of frustration, why would many not turn to and accept some form of enforced relief that would give them an excuse to hide in mediocrity, stop trying, and accept limits, or strike out?  It’s not your fault, it’s theirs—those Russians, those Palestinians, those Mexicans, those “terrorists” those ...  It’s okay to hate them because they “hate us for our freedoms” (why would that come up?) It’s okay to torture or kill them because they ...
  I am making the case the Americans’ “love of war” (and violence) is a bit beyond the common human tendency to resort to violence when attacked.  It may be more acute in Americans because it is unconscious,  and caused by the inability to cope with the confusion and frustration of a false sense of freedom plus an inability to control ambitions, dreams, and to admit human limitation in the interest of other human beings who also have dreams and rights. “Rugged individualisim” plays into the legend, too.

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By mrfreeze, June 30, 2010 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

gerard - As in most things in Life there’s the “story” everyone agrees to in public; however, underneath the surface is the “real story.” It is this real story that Americans believe: that we are under constant threat, that we have this wonderful “fatherland” called America…the Dream that everyone else wants to live, that at any moment we will be under attack or (god forbid) someone takes one of our precious “rights” away. Of course,Americans WANT to believe this but the truth is far different.

This is why Americans are a hateful and fundamentally cowardly bunch. As I’ve mentioned before, we’re not good at “winning” our wars but we’re sure great at prosecuting them and making huge amounts of money for the profiteers. We’re good at bragging about our freedoms and wealth, whilst the rest of the world shakes its head in wonder: “how can they be so arrogant?” My question is always this:

If we believe in this “dream” called America why would anyone want to spill his or her blood for the dream when it only applies to the wealthy, the straight, the white, the one’s who think the right thoughts?

It can only be one thing really: going to war is a license to kill. It’s a license for the military, its contractors and lots of the soldiers. And, as history has shown, Americans don’t have a problem with killing.

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By Virginia from Virginia, June 30, 2010 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

When you list the needless wastes of war, I have often wondered how much oil these wars consume.  When we read how much petroleum (25%) we few Americans (5%? of the world’s population) use up, how much of that precious resource is guzzled by our military?  There’s the dwindling supply of petroleum that’s burned to create death and destruction and there’s the $$$ to pay for the petroleum - $$$ that add to our national debt.  So how much oil does the military scarf up?

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By MarthaA, June 30, 2010 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

“The U.S. will eventually negotiate its withdrawal from Afghanistan. The only difference between now and then will be the number of dead, on all sides, and the amount of (borrowed) money that will be spent.” —Amy Goodman

The HUGE biggie here is “borrowed money” and populace dead.  It is unimaginable to me that the United States continues to fight and die to occupy another country on borrowed money

The wealthy will get the benefit of the minerals in Afghanistan and skate on the outrageous National Debt, but the American populace won’t; all the populace are going to get is more of their sons and daughters dead and having to pay a humongous debt for generations and generations to come.  If the wealthy want war, let the wealthy pay their own warring mercenary way,  not the United States borrowing money and running up the National Debt for private corporations’ mercenary wars.

The United States must not continue this disastrous occupation, as the Afghans (Arabs) will never give up,  and person to person, when all are dead, the Arabs will still be standing.

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By ofersince72, June 30, 2010 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

I believe the American Public is going to turn this
around,,,,it won’t be real pretty…...
but I see the media divides shattering…
you know the imposed divide and conquer i.e.
tea baggers or dems
blacks or white
and on an on

The public is wising up to that, and that is a most
positive sign

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By diamond, June 30, 2010 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

‘Listening to the voters’? Danger Will Robinson, danger! We can’t have that. After all if the voters had their way these oil wars would have ended long ago. 70% of Americans never wanted the invasion of Iraq to go ahead in the first place. The percentage was pretty similar all over Europe, all over the west, come to that. And if the voters of Britain and Germany, for example, has their way their troops would be on their way home right now. The CIA is right to be concerned. These are their wars, (justified by their black op) just as Vietnam was and they are as cruel and disastrous any day as Vietnam was and unwinnable in military terms.But the CIA’s forte is political wars, fought only partially on the battlefield and with only a minor military goal. The real goal is known only to the CIA and they can’t tell you what it is because it’s classified information. The real cash cow in Aghanistan is opium poppy and we all know the CIA’s history with that stuff, don’t we? Catch 22, anyone?

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By ofersince72, June 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

The Bankstas and Oil sters have done more harm to
America than any enemy could posibly do.

George Kennan, 1948 wrote in a high level, secret document

“We have aout 50% or the world’s wealth, but only 6.3%
of its population….In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real talk in the coming years is to devise a pattern of relationships
which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity….. We should cease talk [in policy discussions,as compared to propanganda where the rhetoric
is very useful] about vague and ... unreal objectives
such as human rights, the raising of living standards,
and democratization”

Well now, elites want a war machine sufficiently powerful
to enforce this. Also, a war machine wards off economic
depressions without diminishing the capitolists ability
to grab huge chunks of the U.S. pie.
That is why they don’t want to spend on education,
public services, housing, health care, the ecology.
The more informed and organized the public is the more
they will demand a bigger piece of the pie and more to
say in society’s governance, leaving less for the capitolists.

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By Samson, June 30, 2010 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

Polls show about 70% want us out of Iraq ASAP.
The numbers are rising who say the same about Afghanistan .... about 55% to 60% these days.

The key thing to remember is that a majority of Americans DO NOT LOVE war.

Of course, our poltiicians and CNN and FAUX et al will try to fool us into believing that almost all Americans love war. But its simply not true.  Its not true when you see poll numbers. Its not true when you talk to people.  Its not true when you stand on a corner with an anti-war sign and more people honk and wave at you than the very rare negative response these days.

The problem we have is that our government no longer respects the will of the majority of the people.  These large majorities against these wars are ridiculed, or ignored and the wars continue.

That’s what we’ve got to fix in this country.  We need a democratic government that once again respects the will of the vast majorities who oppose these wars.

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By gerard, June 30, 2010 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

mrfreeze:  Your comment “Everyone in America today who secretly loves war (it’s a lot of Americans by the way” invites my further speculation:

  Why the American love of war?  I have no credentials except my perception (imagination)for making this statement, but ...
  Americans have more freedom than they can manage wisely,  and they are scared of what they may (could) do with so much lack of control.  They like it, but it’s also very disturbing.
  Without being able to articulate this fact, a majority secretly wish for some outside force to “direct” or “corroborate” their feelings
—violently if necessary.  Hence they go for violent sports, violent entertainment, a violent interpretation of history, a violent pursuit of business and profits, and a violent “defense” of offensive wars.
  Most also tolerate a high degree of surveillance and repression when authorities tell them it is necessary. They are even willing to tolerate torture.(Fear of “terrorism” is not much more than fear of what we ourselves are doing, might do.)
  Call me mad as a Hatter, but a kind of perverse need for impersonal discipline and severity seems to keep asserting itself in this country that is far from understood—or even investigated.

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By ofersince72, June 30, 2010 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

Washington ,Wed Jun 30
War Funding Puzzle Stumps Dems

House Democratic support for the war in Afhganistan has
eroded to point where president Obama is now so relient
on Republican votes that he is backtracking from his own
parties efforts to add new education funding to avert
teacher layoffs.”

OFERSINCE72 Wed Jun 30….....Don’t get your hopes up
folks, this is just election time electioneering from
Capitol Hill, if it weren’t for the upcoming elections
this supplemental would pass right through and there
wouldn’t even be an education spending amendment….

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By drbhelthi, June 30, 2010 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

is anyone keeping account of our soldier-folk who are
killed by an “accidental” burst or one single round
into the head from close range,
those blown up by land-mines accidentally placed on the
road by the “queen´s men” but not logged onto the charts?

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By balkas, June 30, 2010 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

It does seem to me that Goodman also is spliting wars into affordable-winable and nonaffordable-unwinable; just like some 99.99% of americans.

So, if uncle only says: hey, we can win this war [w.o.listing win’s traits, to boot]so let’s invade.
And folks, wld i, ur DEAR LEADER, say we can afford it, if i did not believe we can afford it.

Uncle wdl use the word believe and not know. Clergy and pols are the greatest believers but lousy knowers! tnx

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By NYCartist, June 30, 2010 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

When the people say “NO” to funding war(s), it/they will end.

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By LetIdB, June 30, 2010 at 6:43 am Link to this comment
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Duh, war is bad!  You think!?

War is not for the people’s national security (our “shock and awe” didn’t prevent
the underwear bomber and won’t prevent the next homegrown anthrax attack), it
is for the corporations profit security.  Sadly, we have consumed the koolaid that
conflates the two.  And, it won’t ever change unless we the people get the
people’s servants (senators and congress persons) to make war on war.  Surely,
trillion$ can be redirected from Afghanistan, Iraq, et al to our failing economy,
infrastructure and ecology with good olde American know-how.  We need to take
back our democracy now with ballots, letters to the editor and boots on the
ground at protest rallies.  Otherwise, read Amy and mope.

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By FRTothus, June 30, 2010 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

The hour, it is getting late.  Our neighbors are not
our enemies.

The elite understand that a society must waste about
10% in order to keep prices and wages up.  The US does
this through the Pentagon.  Japan does it through its
consumer products.  These are political choices.  We
must find a better way to waste 10% of GDP.

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By Big B, June 30, 2010 at 4:55 am Link to this comment

The business of america is business. The biggest business in america is war, and business is goood!

Ever since WWII we have believed in the idea of american exceptionalism, that somehow we were better than every other nation, before or since, just because we helped defeat Hitler. We have been suckling from that very teet for 6 decades.

And the teet is now dry.

Jebus! You would think we would have learned from the russians that oldest of political lessons, that the people cannot eat guns, only butter. They saw their great communist experiment tossed to history’s trashbin. History is now placing the ziptie on the top of the american experiment. We are about to be dragged to the curb, all because our collective national values prefer war over peace.

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By zaphodity, June 30, 2010 at 4:17 am Link to this comment
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America needs wars so other countries can pay off it’s
deficit by buying U.S. Treasury Bonds XD

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By zaphodity, June 30, 2010 at 3:53 am Link to this comment
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It’s got nothing to do with Obama or G.W. Bush or Elvis
Presly or UFO’s or whatever else you wan’t to blame it
on. It’s Americas War because of the way it’s people

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By zaphodity, June 30, 2010 at 3:40 am Link to this comment
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A Gen. didn’t betray you, America betrayed you. Problem
isn’t with Gen’s or government it’s with the way you
guys actually think.

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By ofersince72, June 30, 2010 at 1:49 am Link to this comment

The Point that Blackspeare is making ,,,,,well made,
just some tongue and cheek…

It isn’t that these wars are good for the economy,
they aren’t…..but..

they ARE our economy….without these wars…
unemployment will be at least fifty percent..
and that is the point that I believe he is making…
we stuck with them…..
because no one will come up with a way to transform our
economy from MIC and wars…especially Dems&Pubs;.......

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By mrfreeze, June 29, 2010 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment

gerard - Don’t you remember when anyone even remotely hinted at the folly of the Iraq War was shouted down, accused of treason, lambasted and skewered by the crooks that ran government during the Bush Administration. These folks were accused of wanting to “cut-and-run.”

The irony about war and the U.S. is two-fold:

1) We haven’t really won a war in over 100 years and
2) Everyone in America today who secretly loves war (it’s a lot of Americans by the way) would break out in a “cut-and-run” fit of rage if the President (or anyone) seriously suggested a withdraw from the wars.

I humbly ask for all of you to forgive my language but when it comes to the wars, we’re totally fucked. We will continue to shed our blood and suck our treasury dry in the quest for the victory which will never come. Everyone else in the world knows this to be true except the American people themselves.

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By gerard, June 29, 2010 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

And consider this, an important side issue:

McChrystal, in his cups or in need of sleep—whatever—actually did us a favor.  His indiscrete comments against his “civilian leadership” (as it is deferentially called) served to reveal a usually well-kept secret:  That the military always resents the “civilian leadership” and in a pinch, when the going gets rough, is very inclined to try to take it over under the guise of “being more “realistic,”
“running the operation more efficiently,” and/or demanding “obedience to the rules, a sense of order”. 
  That’s called fascism, and that’s how fascism takes over.  It always happens at a time when “civilian leadership” is “weak”, “confused” or “losing.”
  The military mind is always on the lookout for an opportunity to increase its power.  Consciously or unconsciously, McChrystal quite probably, in his justifiable frustration, felt that moment coming in our immediate history and opened up the chasm between democracy and military dictatorship.  We should thank him for reminding us.

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By squeaky jones, June 29, 2010 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment
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The hard part is telling the Moms and Dads that their Sons and Daughters died for nothing. Other than, war profiteers getting rich off the death and misery of others. Squeaky.

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By JDmysticDJ, June 29, 2010 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment


The three trillion dollars we’ve spent on these wars did not help our economy, or our national debt. Spending money on infrastructure, alternative sources of energy, along with job creation programs would have helped our economy. Sane trade policies would have helped our economy. Our economy is designed to enrich the multi-nationals not the American people.

Since 1990, millions of people have died because of our wars; over a million in the last decade. You may think that you are a rational realist, but you are simply ignorant.

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By G.Anderson, June 29, 2010 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

Well for once we agree on something.

No we can’t afford war anymore. We can’t afford the war in Iraq and our bases there, we can’t afford the war in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and possibly Iran.

Can’t, so that’s why the re inflated the bubble, and told us just like under Bush that everything was getting better, when it’s not it’s getting worse.

They, will give us cosmetic changes, but inside this country is gutted, we are becoming very much like the countries we are at War with. This is how they see the American people too, as very much like the people of the countries we are at war with.

To be manipulated, controlled, moulded by them, turned into debt slaves. So how long before they come after us, in the same way?

Nothing has changed, nothing will change, nothing can change as long as the plutocracy owns our government.

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By J. P. Plunderton, June 29, 2010 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment
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I just can’t see what all the fuss is about Amy darlin. Uncle Sam didn’t do that there geological survey fer nothin. Gotta show those hoity-toity Frenchmen what they stand to gain when we really force ourselves through the door to the bonanza nuevo that is Afghanistan! Hell, you’d end up a sore pair of weasel nuts if you missed out on this sweet sweet lithium land grab.

That’s where its at. Ain’t no sense in one illiterate country trying to modernize another illiterate country. Now, our boy, Petreaus will give us the offensive posturing we need to git those contracts movin.


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By gerard, June 29, 2010 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

Consider this:  The central problem is admitting defeat. To withdraw we would have to admit to ourselves and the world that we did not win, could not win, in spite of being “the greatest nation in the world” etc.
  Dependence of our economy on war production is a stong secondary factor preventing withdrawal.     
  Economists of stature like Naomi Klein, Paul Krugman and others need to get together and propose a step by step outline for a feasible way to transition into a peacetime economy—not just say “we should” or “you should” but propose an orderly and possible process of how investments could be moved (if not profitably at first, at least without inducing another crash, and how returning soldiers and others who are unemployed can be put to life-supporting work.
  Maybe it’s not possible, and maybe that’s why they and others aren’t pushing an alternative.  But we are much in need of direction—as sensible and practical as possible to prevent panic.
  This constant evasion of truth is debilitating and dangerous, the longer it is allowed to persist, and to keep suggestions buried for the sake of upsetting an election or rocking the status quo seems craven. Soldiers are dying for nothing more than an illusion.
  Millions of people know what is wrong, but we are depending of some kind of authoritative guidance from this administration that dares to set down in practical terms some alternatives that might work. 
  Everyone who has any access to leadership should be hammering their doors down with courageous pleas for attention to facts.  Proceeding further in Afghanistan without specific plans for how to get out and change to a peacetime economy is cruelly self-defeating.
  Easy to say, I know.  But there must be people out there who have at least a few possibly workable ideas.  Nothing is worse than this pretentious stalemate.
  A commonsense admission of error is not a mistake, and cowardice prolongs only facing up to it.
  Tell me I’m wrong if you think so. Every day it becomes more obvious that the present power structure doesn’t have a clue.
  Just consider for a few seconds the extravagant fiasco that was the recent Toronto Conference.  What a charade!

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By Blackspeare, June 29, 2010 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Two problems that preclude an and to military spending.  First, the US military is a major employer of civilians and second, the US military is a major economic spender for equipment, goods and services.  War is always good for the economy and don’t forget that 35,000 people die in vehicular accidents each year so 1-2000 dying in a war is really insignificant except it makes the news!

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By JDmysticDJ, June 29, 2010 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment

Amy is the goddess of reason, not Robes Pierre’s goddess of reason, but an authentic goddess of reason.

In an informed society, not confused by corporate mumbo jumbo, Amy would be a powerful political force.

As it stands now she is a powerful force on the left, but nearly unheard of by the masses.

Has anyone seen her interviewed by the Main Stream Media? Anyone seen a profile on her by 60 minutes? An apearance on the Sunday morning news shows?

Expect funding for the wars to continue, while austerity measures are enacted. Cuts in entitlement programs will be made, because the richest americans are “entitled” to obscene wealth and counter productive tax cuts.

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