LOGO: Truthdig: Drilling Beneath the Headlines. A Progressive Journal of News and Opinion. Editor, Robert Scheer. Publisher, Zuade Kaufman. Winner 2013 Webby Awards for Best Political Website
May 22, 2013

 Choose a size
Text Size

Trending:     chris hedges     economy     elizabeth warren     politics     robert scheer
Most Read

Lock Up Washington

Rise Up or Die

Revenge of the Bear: Russia Strikes Back in Syria

The Promise of a Courageous Al-Jazeera America May Be Fading

GOP Senator's Hypocrisy on Tornado Aid, Jon Stewart Hates Washington, and More

Most Comments
Most Emailed

Reports
 * NEW! * Lock Up Washington
 * NEW! * Too Soon to Tell: The Case for Hope, Continued
 * NEW! * Warming Climate Endangers U.K. Farming

Ear to the Ground

A/V Booth

Arts & Culture
Act of Congress
Daily Rituals
The Girls of Atomic City

Digs

Truthdig Bazaar
The Brothers Karamazov

The Brothers Karamazov

By Fyodor M. Dostoevsky; Constance Garnett (Translator)

more items

 
Reports

Wars and Potential Wars Abound

Email this item Email    Print this item Print    Share this item... Share

Posted on Mar 13, 2012
U.S. Navy / MC1 Chad J. McNeeley

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, left, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meet at Blair House in Washington, D.C.

By William Pfaff

The two most recent American wars, in Iraq and Afghanistan, have failed or are disastrously failing.

The United States is being pressed to launch two new wars. There is little public support for any of the four. The government of Israel, the American domestic pressure group which it sponsors, AIPAC, and numbers of prominent American friends of Israel are attempting to convince the Obama administration that it should attack Iran in order to destroy its nuclear facilities and the regime there, on the unproven supposition that nuclear weapons are or soon will be made there. Or, if not this, then Washington should authorize Israel to attack, accompanying this with a U.S. promise to complete the attack if necessary, and to defend Israel from the consequences.

They are unlikely to get this assurance. It is too much to ask.

There is Syria, which is experiencing an uprising by regional and sectarian elements in its population meant to overthrow the Baath government, controlled since 1970 by the Assad family, father and son. American and other Western enemies of the authorities in Damascus want to see an American or American-led military intervention in Syria. This is also the sentiment of others in the international society who are convinced that it should become a principle among the democracies to intervene in such civil uprisings, or such official programs of military repression, when feasible, in order to protect justice-seeking civilian populations.

The United States government is under pressure to intervene in Syria from prominent Republicans, including former presidential candidate John McCain, as well as liberal supporters of the R2P (Responsibility to Protect) international lobby, headed by a former Australian foreign minister, Gareth Evans.

Advertisement

The ultimate intentions of the R2P interventionists are impeccable, but the road from here to there is piled high with obstacles and the political counterparts of improvised explosive devices.

My own opinion, as I have said before in this space, is that, in general, national societies should be left to solve their own problems and take the consequences, even when these involve civil war.

Civil wars solve problems. Ask Americans. If Britain or France had intervened in the American Civil War (both did have material stakes in the outcome), it would probably have been a crueler and ultimately much more divisive war. American-European future relations would have been changed with unknowable consequences for the two world wars.

I was in favor of a European intervention in the Bosnian conflict in 1992-1995 because it had acquired the character of a war of ethnic extermination, and because European U.N. forces were already present with a limited mandate to intervene. Had they done so, Sarajevo could have been spared much suffering, and the Srebrenica massacre prevented, as well as the destruction in Serbia and Kosovo that resulted from NATO intervention, when that came.

The Rwanda genocide could have been prevented (or halted) had the Mitterrand government in France, whose troops were soon on the scene, possessed an unbiased understanding of the situation and had the will to act. Last year’s Libyan intervention by France and Britain (reluctantly joined by the U.S. and others) was a success (as yet incomplete), and also something of a fluke that could easily have ended otherwise than it did.

The U.S. Korean War intervention (which took place when I was in the U.S. Army) was understood as a counter to a Soviet-instigated North Korean invasion. It was not, but for South Koreans it has proved justified. America’s Indochina interventions also rested on an ideological miscomprehension of the situations, and were a disaster for everyone. The Central and East European “mutinies” or revolts—Poland and Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968—were prudently spared NATO counter-intervention, which could have provoked, by mutual miscomprehension, a new world war.

As for the deliberately induced Iranian-Israeli hysteria of recent days, one cannot say it is not serious. The disastrous war with Iraq emerged from the identical political actors, and the identical distortions and propaganda now proclaimed about Iran. Israel’s political right, chiefly the Likud party and the settlement parties with their supporters in America, is now politically dominant in Israel. It apparently has two goals: the destruction of Iran as a major military power, so as to preserve Israel’s regional military supremacy; and the effective annexation of what remains of Palestine (as defined in international law) and its resources (mainly water), and continuing control of its people. This cannot be achieved peacefully. The danger of war is real in whatever happens. Iran is a sideshow of this, which is the fundamental Middle Eastern conflict issue.

However, the majority of Israelis say they don’t want war with Iran, and perhaps more important, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu disastrously overplayed his hand in Washington, treating the United States government, as well as the American Jewish community, as being at his beck and call. A blackmailed Congress might be, but the overwhelming majority of the American people certainly are not. Most of the intimidated members of Congress hate themselves for the contempt implicitly shown them. The Pentagon does not consider itself to be in the service of Israel. I was not in Washington at the time of the AIPAC meeting, but my view from abroad was that the Netanyahu government fails to understand that in this year of 2012, the weather has undergone a change in the United States.

Visit William Pfaff’s website for more on his latest book, “The Irony of Manifest Destiny: The Tragedy of America’s Foreign Policy,” at www.williampfaff.com.

© 2012 Tribune Media Services Inc.


New and Improved Comments

If you have trouble leaving a comment, review this help page. Still having problems? Let us know. If you find yourself moderated, take a moment to review our comment policy.

By Cliff Carson, March 18, 2012 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

Wars happen because some people,group, coalition, Government, Cabal - some entity with an Agenda are able to convince otherwise rational thinking people that “those” are not like us.

This convincing starts with pre-war propaganda usually a demonetization of the target country or their Government or their Religion, anything the war mongers can sell as a threat to those who are to be deceived.

This method of stirring up populations to fight wars that the perpetrators fomented for the purpose of profit or enhanced positions is not something new.  It has been practiced throughout recorded history.

I truly agree with what gerard said “It is a very important and dangerous time to be alive. We older people have a heavy obligation to keep contact with the coming generation to encourage them, helping them to imagine and build a better world, country by country, city by city, village by village, person by person.”

The means to end this seemingly unending theme of destroying each other for the benefit of the 1%, then really depends on each of us drawing a line in the sand and saying - No More.  Then we will have to back it up for a few times to get the message across.

Report this
moonraven's avatar

By moonraven, March 17, 2012 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Jesus H. Christ, get off that wounded pride:  Last I checked sodium meant salt, hence my comment. 

It was meant as a COMPLIMENT, as most of the folks posting here swallow anything they read in English whole and never apply even a smidgeon of salt/critical thinking.

Don’t bite my butt for posting an obvious comic reply to your comment.

There is no room for oversensitivity and hair-triggers among allies.  There are enough enemies surrounding us already!

Report this

By Sodium-Na, March 17, 2012 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

“I assume you take everything with a grain of your posting alias.”

moonraven,

The above quoted comment of yours is not a nice thing to say to anyone,especiall to someone who agreed with you on the unjustification of wars. That should lead me to tell you that your assumptin as you wrote it in the above quote was/is wrong-very wrong.

Whenever my time allows,I post at three different websites,under different screen names and I post on every one of them with utmostm resposibility,seriousness and care.

And I try to be helpful as much as I possibly can.

Do you remember that hard-core Zionist,his screen name was “No Fool”,with whom you had an argument that lead to no where,about two years ago,at Commondreams?
If you do remember,I must tell you that it was I who came to your rescue and showed “No Fool” that his “facts”,as he called them,were merely old discredited garbages. Eventually,he just disappeared,after claiming that you and I were the same person,which had compelled me to declare you as a female,(by detection from the way you presented your argument). And consequently,you had admitted that you were,indeed,a female and even you gave your age(in the sixties). You were gracious enough to thank me for the facts that kept “No Fool” totally confused and speechless. Yes,my dear,it was me.

As I said previously: I am here and there and there to help the underdogs,not really to argue.

Final words,even though off-topic: remember the following advice from an oldman,that is me(78):

The only success in life is to live your life as you and only you want to live it,not as others want you to live it,since 50 or 100 years from now,no body would really give a shit,one way or the other.

Have a nice day,moonraven,and take it easy.

Report this
moonraven's avatar

By moonraven, March 16, 2012 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

Sodium:

I assume you take everything with a grain of your posting alias.

The Israelis were nothing but trouble from the get-go.

Just like the gringos.

Which is why they hang together.

Report this

By Sodium-Na, March 16, 2012 at 4:26 am Link to this comment

For moonraven:

Moonraven,

I concur that there is no such thing as a “justified war.”

As to Joshua,he was a mass murderer. According to the Old Testament of the bible,he conquered Jaricho,with the help of an inside helper within the walls of Jaricho: A Cannanite Prostitute.

And in the process of conquering the city,he slaughtered more than 20,000 Cannanites.

Of course,if you take the events as they are written in the Bible with a grain of salt,please just ignore the last two paragraphs I wrote in the forgoing.

Report this
moonraven's avatar

By moonraven, March 15, 2012 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment

Read James Hillman’s A Terrible Love of War.

Report this
moonraven's avatar

By moonraven, March 15, 2012 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

Can we just leave the bible out of this?

There is no such thing as a just war—I ought to know, as I used Jesuitical logic (sic) to prove (supersic), based on the Joshua story in the bible, that there is.

Which goes to show you just how fucked up western thought, western logic and western beliefs in general really ARE.

We are the only species to insist that our shit smells like chocolate ice cream.

Report this
vector56's avatar

By vector56, March 15, 2012 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

“Cheer,my friend,and keep cheering to put-up with this fucked-up world of ours,that seems it cannot live without wars,somewhere,in the globe.”

On that note Sodium-Na, I must say I totally agree with your above statement. “Keep the faith”.

Report this

By Sodium-Na, March 15, 2012 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

vector56,

Please blame your allegation of “racism” for the biblical story about Cain murdering his own brother,Abel,the Old Testament of the Bible and then the old fascinating preacher/speaker,Billy Graham,not me. I have only quoted what the good old man had said in one of his brilliant and fascinating speeches in the 1950’s,while I was still under-graduate university student.

I repeat what I have already mentioned to you in my last post:

I use history,including the stories in the whole bible,meaning the Old and New Testaments,the Qur’an and any well recorded or printed documents by scholars,in their particular field of scholarship,to help me help others understand the important issues of our time,like war and peace,corruptions and lies in government and private institutions,corporations,(persons according to some nuts),and even love and hatred.

If you consider using the bible,as a recorded history,is not a good idea,that is fine with me because it is your prerogative to do so. Tell that to the billions of people who believe in every word written in the bible and see the totally emotional and passionate responses you may receive from them. Most likely,you will be shocked. I already had encountered such responses several times,in my life time,and I swore,ever since,never never again I would take what was/is written in the whole bible and the Qur’an with negligence or slight regards. No way. I have enough of arguments that led no where and just wasted my time I could have used much more productvely on other matters.

I do hope that you will consider the foregoing with a degree of acceptance whose intent has been for your benefit and benefits of others who care to listen.

Cheer,my friend,and keep cheering to put-up with this fucked-up world of ours,that seems it cannot live without wars,somewhere,in the globe.

Report this
Oceanna's avatar

By Oceanna, March 15, 2012 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

The two most recent wars are Iraq and Afghanistan?  I guess it depends on how
you define war, especially if you want to minimize the killings of civilians in
Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, and the Sudan.  I guess it’s not war if the
victims are non-white and those who deny it feel comfortably ensconced in a
white, American and Euro-centric power structure.  Never mind how the
citizens of those invaded countries feel, their terror of when another Drone
attack could occur in their village and their acknowledgement of being invaded
by a foreign country. 

If Americans were subjected to unpredictable Drone attacks, Mr. Pfaff’s logic
would not define that as an act of war.  If the US infrastructure was bombed to
the Stone Age as Libya’s was in imposing a no-fly zone, that wouldn’t be an act
war either.  I would think constant threats of bombing American nuclear pants
under suspicion and fabricated accusations that they harbored nuclear weapons
wouldn’t be considered an act or prelude to war, along with attacking the US
financial system to the extreme that Americans are deprived of the basics of
survival like food. 

Libya was a success?  Come now, not even the NYT agrees with Pfaff’s claim.  It
has a recent article on how the NTC is on the verge of civil war.  And I suppose
the US supported jihadists of the NTC invoking Sharia law is a sign of success,
like their massive torture and genocide of the Africans in Libya.

Report this
vector56's avatar

By vector56, March 15, 2012 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

Sodium-Na; no need to be condescending; I have a working knowledge of basic Chemistry and my “what are you smoking” comment was an attempt at humor. The attack you repel never happened.

That being said, I would smoke pot any day to avoid “the opiate of the masses” (religion).

Lastly, using the Bible as a history book seems “limited” at best. What ever “mumbo-jumbo” turns your clock is fine by me; but went you present the “racist ” story of Cain and Abel don’t expect a free pass.

Report this

By Sodium-Na, March 15, 2012 at 12:09 am Link to this comment

For vector56:

My dear Mr.56,(Perhaps you were born in1956),

I can cut you to pieces because of your impolite post you have addressed to me,if I wanted to. I refrain from doing so because I could detect that you are a decent human being and I let it go at that.

For your information:

~ I have never smoked pot in my entire 78 years of existence in this fucked up world. That’s the first wrong assumption you have regrettably made. Nor have I ever been addicted to alchohol either.I have been a family man and married to my beloved wife for 46 years. I am a scientist by formal education,higher than the Master Degree level,but I have been a devoted student of human history,all of my adult life since high school days. Again,you have missed the obvious that some people are capable of using events of recorded history,including the Bible,without being “supertitious”. Your word,not mine. 

~ If you were observant enough,you should have noticed that I placed the four words,First Act of War,between quotations such as,“First Act of War.”,which might imply that the quote was not mine,but somebody else’s.

~ Since you have jumped unwisely into your own conclusion about “my supertition”,you should address your conclusion to the Reverend Billy Graham or his son Frank,since the old man is frail,these days,if he is still alive. His son is now running his vast religious empire. Perhaps,it was before you were born when I heard the good old man saying it in the early 1950’s in one of his very effective and fascinating speeches. I loved listening to fascinating speakers like Billy Graham because I learned from them,without believing in their faith.

~ To add more salt,(Sodium chloride),to your delusional conclusion,I am an AGNOSTIC who has stopped believing in any religion many many years ago. However,I do not mind using the Old Testament,New Testament and Qur’an to help me help others in this word understand the issues a little bit better.

~ Since you have mentioned “irony”,I shall tell you where the “irony” is,as it is related to myself: Being an Agnostic and having a 44 year old son who is an Ordained Minister,with a doctoral degree in Ministry and running a church in the Midwest. That is an irony. His devotion to his Jesus Christ has no bounds,although he was raised like his mother,a Catholic,and taught Mathimatics for several years before abandoning teaching and going back to college to study ministry and ending-up a preacher…I was raised as Greek Orthodox in my younger and teen age years. No more. I drive my semi-disabled wife to her Church every Sunday and sometimes I attend the Sunday Services with her and donate a few dollars to the Church. Does that make me a “supertititious” too?

~ Finally,since you have no idea as to why I use Sodium-Na,as my screen name,it is only fair to educate you a little bit: Sodium is an extremely flammable element under atmospheric conditions. It can burn you very badly!! That is why the pure element of Sodium must be kept in Kerosine in glass bottles,an idealistic environment for the pure element of Sodium… And Na is the chemical symbol of Sodium and represents also the first two alphabets of my real name as well. Got it? I do hope so.ope so.

Have a nice day,my boy,and please try NOT to rush to and jump into the “fantazia” of delusional conclusions. It is bad for your healthy brain!! Try to keep it positive and constructive-an old man advice.

Report this

By heterochromatic, March 14, 2012 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

Surf—- look up Andrew Carnegie.  he had something to say about dying wealthy
that you might like….

Report this

By heterochromatic, March 14, 2012 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

someone else saying that the US isn’t going to bomb
Iran—-and that neither will the Israelis…..
——-

Iran Drumbeat Watch: I Say It’s Not Going to Happen

James Fallows


....“While I am skeptical of the journalistic bias
toward guessing what might happen rather than
analyzing what has actually occurred, in the current
climate I’ll hazard this prediction: the United
States is in fact not going to bomb Iran, and in
anything like the current set of facts not even
Netanyahu’s Israeli administration is likely to do
so. Indeed we will look back on the hyped-up bomb-
Iran frenzy of the past two months with an air of
wonder and dismay.

I’ll elaborate in the days ahead, but here’s the
summary. For the United States, such an attack would
represent recklessness beyond anything in recent
history, either by Barack Obama’s standards or anyone
else’s. And for Israel, it would represent grand-
strategic folly of a scale I think even PM Netanyahu
would finally shrink from.”,,,,


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012
/03/iran-drumbeat-watch-i-say-its-not-going-to-
happen/254320/

Report this
vector56's avatar

By vector56, March 14, 2012 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

“The “First Act of War” recorded in the entire human histry was/is in the Old Testament of the Bible:”

“It took place when “Cain” murdered his own brother “Abel”. It was a war occurred out of the evil side of the human being.”

Sodium-Na; ironic that you call yourself the chemical symbol Sodium while spouting such superstitious nonsense?

I apologize for responding to your address to PatrickHenry, but I just could not help myself.

Correct me if I am wrong but was not Cain and Abel the two sons of Adam and Eve? What you are saying is that 6000 years ago there were “4” people in the world and one of them (the darker one) killed his brother because he was Jealousy?

We now know that humanity stretches back about 100, 000 years and we moved out Africa 60, 000 to 80, 000 years ago. Because of Mitochondrial DNA, most if not all of humanity can be traced back to a common “mother”.

I must respectfully ask, “what the fuck are you smoking?” And what ever it is, “don’t bogart it, pass it over here my friend.”

Report this

By Sodium-Na, March 14, 2012 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

For PatrickHenry:

Patrick,

The “First Act of War” recorded in the entire human histry was/is in the Old Testament of the Bible:

It took place when “Cain” murdered his own brother “Abel”. It was a war occured out of the evil side of the human being. It was because of human bad characteristic: jealousy. But still,it is part of the evil side of man/woman,even in the 21st century where the “Universal Declaration of the Human Rights” have developed to a level that should have made such characteristics less effective,let alone non-existent. Pity!

Report this
vector56's avatar

By vector56, March 14, 2012 at 5:33 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic:

Nice trick, but I am sure that you realized that the “racist” twisted people” I was referring to was the Apartheid State of Israel.

After the unspeakable trauma of the Holocaust some Jews like Zacharias Finkelstein (Norman’s mother) honored the million souls snuffed out by rejecting the ugliness of racism and raising her son to be a voice for all of humanity. Others, saw strength in the brutality of the monsters and swore, “never again” will anyone do this to “us”, but fuck the rest of humanity.

Report this

By Sodium-Na, March 14, 2012 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

Try Understanding Them From Their Former Occupations:

* When a former “Furniture Salesman” ends-up,by hook or crook,a Prime Minister of a country,the ruling class of this fucked world has no regards to the intelligence of the people of the world. I say this with a profound respect to “All Other Furniture Salespersons” across the globe.

* When a former “Salesman of Women’s Panties” ends-up,by hook or crook,a Prime Minister of a country,the world’s ruling class,(who hand-picked him for their own reasons),has no respect to the intelligence of the people of the world. I say this with my sincere apology to “All Other Salespersons of Ladies’Panties”

* When a former “Third Rate Movie Actor” ends up President of a Super Power,there is something wrong with the thinking of all of us,not only the ruling class of the world. I say this with all due respect to all other third,second and first rates actors and actresses.

The first one has made peace between Israelis and Palestinians almost impossible. And now he is pushing the U.S.towards war with Iran-to do his dirty war.

The second one has made a shamble out of Iraq for his lack of vision for all Iraqis and for giving priority to what Iran wants him to do in Iraq. Who said that the war in Iraq has ended!! No such thing has taken place yet. The almost daily bombing and killing of innocent people attest to that.

The third one made deregulations something lovable to do,even Bill Clinton had done it as something lovable. For thirty years,the madness for deregulations have become the most lovable thing to do. With very few enlightened souls who correctly thought that deregulations were the seeds of corruptions and would eventually engulf the country in entropic economic and financial disorder,the rest of the country went along with such a madness until the disorder of the economic and financial entropy took over our lives. And that what has exactly taken place in 2007-2008 and ever since President Obama has been struggling with. I wish him,or any other President in his place,well for the economic well being of the country. 

II seems to me that the “Furniture Saleman” should have been kept selling furniture and spared the world the misery of conflicts. Sorry,he just does not have what it takes to make peace: POLITICAL COURAGE.

The same is true about the other two:the former “Salesman of Ladies’Panties” should have been kept were he was doing ver well in selling women panties.

And the former “Third Rate Actor” should have been encouraged to remain actor so that he could have done well,if he just kept trying to be “First Rate Actor”.

“But the winds’directions,some times,come not as the(old)ships desire.”  Author: Al-Mutanabi,an Arab Poet.

Report this
Clash's avatar

By Clash, March 14, 2012 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

Thank you moonraven, the rest is just noise, so loud we can’t here our selves.

Report this

By heterochromatic, March 14, 2012 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

vec—-heterochromatic, sure, right; pay no attention
to “Bibi” Netanyahu coming here and testifying before
Congress during the drum beat to attack Iraq. Over
look the stack of “bunker-buster” bombs Obama just
sold these “racist” twisted people.——

I assume that you meant to type Iran.

and, as I’ve said previously, the bunker-busters are
for use against Hezbollah should Iran order their
boys in Lebanon to start firing all those rockets
that they’ve transshipped through Assad’s airports.

——-
sure the Iranian regime and Hezis are twisted,
bigoted and fucked-up people but they don’t represent
the bulk of the Iranian people and they damn sure
don’t really represent the Lebanese.

don’t make foolish generalizations, vec.

Report this
PatrickHenry's avatar

By PatrickHenry, March 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

War is the oldest profession.

Ever since man hit another man over the head with a rock, killing and death have followed.

Killing over food, water and mating (second oldest profession) continue today with oil to grease the way.

Report this
vector56's avatar

By vector56, March 14, 2012 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, I hit the send button twice.

Report this
vector56's avatar

By vector56, March 14, 2012 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

“Every war/and or military action the USA has been involved in since 1991 can be best described as a resource war.”

MR B:

All war is about Natural Resources:

America’s Indian Wars killed them and took land

Mexican American War annexed 50% of Mexico

Civil War Land out west and human resources (slaves)

Spanish American War the Philippines

WWI Raping Africa, India and South East Asia

WWII Pay back for WWI

Vietnam recolonizing French colony

Iraq

Libya Oil

Syria (stepping stone to Iran)

Iran OIL

Report this
vector56's avatar

By vector56, March 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

“Every war/and or military action the USA has been involved in since 1991 can be best described as a resource war.”

MR B;

All war is about Natural Resources:

America’s Indian Wars killed them and took land

Mexican American War annexed 50% of Mexico

Civil War Land out west and human resources (slaves)

Spanish American War the Philippines

WWI Raping Africa, India and South East Asia

WWII Pay back for WWI

Vietnam recolonizing French colony

Iraq

Libya Oil

Syria (stepping stone to Iran)

Iran OIL

Report this

By gerard, March 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

Moonraven:
  “Sparks fly upward!”
  And Job asked all the right questions!

Report this

By diamond, March 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

“Afghanistan was not invaded because of Israel and it
takes a mindless person to assert that it was.”

You’re right. It was not invaded because of Israel. It was invaded because Osama bin Laden and the Afghan people had been chosen as patsies for 9/11. Even though there was not one single Afghan citizen involved in it, even according to the lying official version of events. When the neo cons and their corporate masters failed to credibly link Saddam Hussein to 9/11 they raised the stakes and on the 12th October 2001 they sent out the anthrax letters (to people like Tom Daschle who had said he would vote against the Patriot Act, for example) and got talking heads on TV to claim that bentonite had been found in the anthrax which proved it was from Iraq. This was later shown to be completely untrue. The fact is, that anthrax came from a CIA bio warfare lab and the patsy they eventually pinned the anthrax letters on, Bruce Ivins, led the team that analyzed the anthrax. That team stated unambiguously that it didn’t come from Iraq but was an incredibly powerful, weaponized form of anthrax such as no one in the Ivin’s team had ever seen before. Their conclusion was that it came from a US military lab. Ivin’s paid a heavy price for telling the truth, as is always the case when you tell the truth to fascists. In a rational world there would be no possible justification for the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan because neither country had declared war on America and neither country had attacked America. The invasion of Iraq was patently illegal and didn’t even have UN sanction. Both wars are war crimes.

I always knew that Saddam Hussein’s days were numbered when he fired missiles into Israel during Gulf War I. When he did that he signed his own death warrant. And now Iran is the next country to roll off the ‘kill them and steal their cattle’ conveyor belt. You are attempting to defend the indefensible. Give it up. You can’t. The Iran war is Israel’s idea and it’s not the first war they’ve agitated for by a long shot. Most horrible things that happen to countries in the Middle East have Israel’s bloody fingerprints all over them.

Report this
moonraven's avatar

By moonraven, March 14, 2012 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

All wars fail.

Every time there is a war, it is a failure of our species to be “domesticated”.

I put that in quotes because the best thing about the other species on this planet is that they are still wild—that is, they still dance in some kind of harmony with the planet.

When our species goes “wild” is is ALWAYS to destroy other life forms. 

Period.

We are a failed species.

And it doesn’t matter one damn bit whether we were created by some cynical wrathful god or some cynical wrathful devil, or if we evolved from pond scum.

We were the planetary history’s biggest mistake.

Report this

By gerard, March 14, 2012 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Prevention of wars was the whole purpose behind the WikiLeaked U.S. cables. The attempts to punish Manning and Assange and whoever else in future are in direct order of magnitute to the desire of the US government to suppress the information the cables contained.
  Most of the information (kept “claslsified” from the public) shows up the perfidy, the double-deals, the subterfuges, evasions and hidden purposes of what passes as “American diplomacy” amounting mostly to plans for getting an advantage over all others and taking that advantage by force when necessary—physical, financial, moral force—whichever comes to hand.
  WikiLeaks “leaked” in the faith that truth is will win over falsehood, that openness is better than secrecy, and that unless the fact were put out there, wars and subterfuges would remain hidden and wars would continue, based on past experiences. This continuation would cost tens of thousands more lives on all sides.
  If Manning and Assange are martyred as “traitors”
American justice will become meaningless, the heart of the country will stop beating, and the whole world will feel the pain. 
  Yes, it’s that important.

Report this

By gerard, March 14, 2012 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of intervention.

Report this

By MeHere, March 14, 2012 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

A few comments:

Libya, a success?  For whom? Measured by what standards?  NATO went beyond the No-Fly Zone limits set by the UN -an action that cost many lives and added another bad precedent in the matter of interventions in foreign countries.

Israel-Iran: Of course, the average Israeli citizen doesn’t want another war. On the other hand, there’s no evidence that the country is strongly rejecting its warmongering leadership.

It is hard to tell whether, in the end, military interventions bring solutions and relief or just the opposite to a population.  They surely bring chaos and lots of suffering. A better way of looking at this and finding some answers may be to become aware of what the motives are for the West to constantly interfere with
selected nations in the name of human rights. At this point, it should be obvious to most people that the motives have to do with domination rather than human concerns. How can this be beneficial?

Times have changed though. It is not so easy nowadays for imperial powers to carve out pieces of the world for themselves without suffering serious repercussions.

Report this

By Big B, March 14, 2012 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Every war/and or military action the USA has been involved in since 1991 can be best described as a resource war. Everything our governmant and our military will be involved in for the forseeable future will be the guaranteed access to and delivery of, the natural resources needed for the USA to maintain our consumer society for the next 30 years or so.

By then, we hope that nuclear fusion somehow falls from the sky. But hey, the world was created in 6 days, right?

Everyday it becomes more and more apparent that we are screwed.

Report this

By balkas, March 14, 2012 at 6:56 am Link to this comment

“civli wars solve problems”, says WP. he, i suggest, knows better than to posit such
an overgeneralization. the civil war in US, eg, had not solved any problems for
indigenes or blacks.
in addition, as far as the structure of governance and basic ideology of united
states go, nothing changed. it remained to this day a copy of european structures
of bygone eras.

Report this

By balkas, March 14, 2012 at 6:45 am Link to this comment

nato intervention in bosnia ‘95 and in kosovo ‘99 came after serbia’s role in break up of
yugoslavia late 80s and early 90s and after serbia quickly conquered 70% of bosnia, slew probably 70k
innocent bosnians of muslim and catholic cults, and expelled about 1 million people.

in syria, the pop is mainly arab. it is not a multi-ethnic or multi-national federation as was
yugoslavia. and there is no proof that the present war in syria had been started by syrian govt.
it seems that the war there was launched by cultists who may or may not want to destroy all
vestiges of socialism and set up a noble-theocratic system of rule in syria.
curioso appears that arab countries and all emirates which support rebels in syria [and libya] are
ruled by amirs, princes, kings and fully supported by godologists. 
from reports i read, libya appears to be in quite a mess. can we expect that that may also happen
in syria after rebels come to power! thanks bozhidar b.

Report this

By Jeff N., March 14, 2012 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

I’m a big fan of Pfaff as far as most writers on this site go.. however I’m a bit skeptical of the claims of success about Libya.  Seems a bit early in the game to make that call, no?

Robes, got any sources for those assertions?  I could see the weapons bit being true, but I’d take good odds you won’t see military action in Iran by the US and therefore Israel, especially if Obama can make it to November.

Report this
vector56's avatar

By vector56, March 14, 2012 at 3:05 am Link to this comment

“more rehmatic bullshit…. Afghanistan was not invaded because of Israel and it
takes a mindless person to assert that it was. “

heterochromatic, sure, right; pay no attention to “Bibi” Netanyahu coming here and testifying before Congress during the drum beat to attack Iraq. Over look the stack of “bunker-buster” bombs Obama just sold these “racist” twisted people.

As surely as Obama will double cross us on the “pipe line” after the election, he has already assured the Web Browser (Net-In- Yahoo) that “we have his back” (after he wins another term).

Does the irony of this situation escape “you people”?

The first Black President provides the “muscle” for an “Apartheid State” to launch a “race war” in the Middle East! It gets even better; the occupants of the Apartheid state were once themselves victims of one of the darkest acts of racism and genocide in human history; do the Gods have a sense of humor of what? 

While watching “Up with Chris Hayes” The Israel Project‘s Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi, declared that “Iranians were not like us”. Rula Jebreal of Newsweek, bravely pointed out that that same statement has been made many times about Blacks in America and Jews in Germany (1930’s).

http://www.mediaite.com/online/a-very-special-up-with-chris-hayes-bravely-tackling-israel-and-mideast-peace/

Anyone who pretends “war” does not use racism to grab power and natural resources has never been called a “Gook”, “Sand-Nigger”, Rag-Head, Hadji…

Report this
Robespierre115's avatar

By Robespierre115, March 14, 2012 at 2:13 am Link to this comment

Sorry Pfaff, Obama already promised Netanyahu a fresh cache of more weapons as long as “Bibi” waits until after the November elections to set the Middle East on fire.

“However, the majority of Israelis say they don’t want war with Iran” Wrong again, the polling shows that Netanyahu’s propaganda campaign has worked well. Israelis are not in favor of an attack only if the US isn’t onboard, if the US confirms it will back a strike the numbers then change in favor of war.

Report this

By Marc Schlee, March 13, 2012 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

*******

Tear up Washington DC and cast it to the four winds.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

*******

Report this

By heterochromatic, March 13, 2012 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

more rehmatic bullshit…. Afghanistan was not invaded because of Israel and it
takes a mindless person to assert that it was.

Report this

By Rehmat, March 13, 2012 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

Both Iran and Afghanistan were invaded for greed and Israel. However, US was defeated in Iraq by the collaboration of Maliki government and Iran. Afghanistan’s Karzai government is also tilted toward Iran.

The Libya was destroyed for Qaddafi’s independent economic policy and country’s natural resources. However, the plan of regime change in Libya was conceived in Tel Aviv. Israel is definitely behind the urge for the regime change in Syria. Syria don’t have oil but it’s a strategic ally of Iran, Hamas and Hizbullah - the three regional adversaries of the Zionist entity.

In July 2011 – Israeli and French Jewish group, Democratic Change in Syria, held a meeting in Saint-Germain in France. The meeting was attended by French Jewish leaders, Israeli officials and Moulhem Droubi representing Syrian Muslim Brotherhood.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/friends-of-syria-meeting-in-tunis/

Report this

By Alexandra Bisson, March 13, 2012 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Remember, for all practical purposes we are already at war in Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia.  That is, we have drones killing people and special forces doing God only knows what. 

The best phrase to describe us is, I think, “the imperial bully.”  We are attempting to garrison the planet with about 1,000 bases and we are like the classic bully—beating up and intimidating the weak, but crying and fussing when we don’t get our way.

Report this

By Cliff Carson, March 13, 2012 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

Well I have to disagree with you Mr. Pfaff on many of your statements, so I’ll just choose one:

Your claim that the Libyan transgression was a success and that the United States entered it unwillingly.

Neither of these statements are true.  I believe you know that.  So why did you say it?

The Libyan debacle was a resource grab and the United States spearheaded the whole thing.

France especially wanted the Libyan water resource and the United States And the World Bank wanted to put a stop to Qaddifi’s United States of Africa and its plan to throw off the yoke of the International Financial Cabal.

Qadiffi and several African Nations wanted the United States of Africa and its planned Common Army to protect its resources against the Colonial Empire and resource raiders that were already looking to stir up some excuse to intervene and stop that Union.

This United Africa planned to issue their own common currency and planned to work free of the World Banking System by starting an alternate combined Nations Financial System.

Fifty Thousand Libyan people died to make it all possible for the World’s 1%.

For them it was a success.  Bodies don’t count when there is money to be made.  Mr Pfaff, I think you are well aware of that.

Report this

By gerard, March 13, 2012 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

Having become dependent on war-making for jobs and production, the 1% have got used to relying mainly on that sector for sustaining the economy—cruel as it is. Apparently the politicians and Wall Street have no better, healthier idea of how to proceed except to “soldier on” no matter how many people are maimed and killed or left to die in the ruins.
  It appears that any new impetus for change will have to come from “the people” somehow. The main encouragement is that most of the world now sees that “war business as usual” is unsustainable, and many are reaching out to try to join hands and brains and hearts and escape the “prison” of violence.
  It is a very important and dangerous time to be alive. We older people have a heavy obligation to keep contact with the coming generation to encourage them, helping them to imagine and build a better world, country by country, city by city, village by village, person by person.

Report this
Newsletter

sign up to get updates


 
 
 
 
Join the Liberal Blog Advertising Network
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

A Progressive Journal of News and Opinion. Editor, Robert Scheer. Publisher, Zuade Kaufman.
© 2013 Truthdig, LLC. All rights reserved.