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Posted on Mar 22, 2012
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Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney speaks at the University of Chicago.

By Robert Scheer

With Mitt Romney’s super-PAC limo now on cruise control to victory at the GOP convention, voters are left with only two reasons to vote against Barack Obama: Either they are desperate to return a white man to the White House or they feel strongly that it is time to break the glass ceiling denying Mormons the presidency.

Out of a sense of tolerance I could cotton to the latter—heck, why should the bizarre beliefs of Romney’s church be a deal breaker? I’m hoping for a strong Jewish contender someday and wouldn’t like her burdened with defending Old Testament claptrap.

The problem in this mind-numbing Republican primary season is that the campaign has exposed Romney as not just another white male Mormon like some of the fairly reasonable senators who have represented Utah. Or like Romney’s own father, George, at one time the governor of Michigan. No, this Romney is now widely regarded as the vulture capitalist he is, a politician who is a say-and-do-anything opportunist with no moral limits on his outsized ambitions.

Nothing is sacred to the former Massachusetts governor, not even his own signature health plan that he sold to that state’s voters as the standard for rational government decision-making as regards the deep problems faced by our economy. The weaknesses of what Romney and the GOP deride as Obamacare have been all too obvious in the plan Romney touted in Massachusetts—a mandate to sign up without the cost restraints that a single-payer government program would offer. Now, with a new national plan from Rep. Paul Ryan emerging from the U.S. House, Romney and the Republican Party generally seek to compound that error by undermining Medicare and Medicaid, two programs that offer at least a modicum of cost control.  Instead, the candidate and his fellow Republicans would turn consumers over completely to the tender mercies of for-profit insurers.

The justification for gutting what little remains of enlightened government programs to aid the vulnerable is, of course, the dreaded federal deficit. (Lest we forget, seniors were foremost among the vulnerable until the arrival of the programs now under attack.) What is so outrageously hypocritical about the proposals from both Romney and Ryan is that they do not touch, and indeed would further open, the spending spigot that caused all of the red ink following President Bill Clinton’s budget-balancing act.

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Both Romney and Ryan want to increase President George W. Bush’s tax breaks for the wealthy, which seriously cut revenues while treating as sacrosanct the Cold War levels in military spending that Bush put in place in a wildly irrational response to the 9/11 attacks. This week Ryan announced that defense spending is off-limits, and Romney has campaigned for an increase in what represents more than 40 percent of the non-mandated federal budget.

I can’t wait for the moment in a presidential debate when Romney talks about the need for even more advanced U.S. weaponry to counter the emerging military threat from Communist China and Obama ever so coolly points out that Bain Capital, the company that Romney co-founded, has been supplying those Red tyrants with surveillance equipment to better monitor their citizenry.

With Ron Paul’s fortunes as a presidential candidate declining, there is no pressure on GOP leaders to link a withdrawal from the imperial adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan with a reduced federal handout to the military-industrial complex. Nor will the Republican leadership confront the party’s responsibility for the nation’s economic collapse, the subsequent loss in tax revenues, and the Fed and Treasury policies that bailed out the Wall Street charlatans who invented this meltdown.

Instead of reining in Wall Street greed, the GOP is demanding a reversal of even the tepid efforts of the Obama administration to hold the financial industry accountable to honest business practices. And, at a time when the largest multinational companies have shifted jobs and profits abroad, the GOP stands for rewarding that betrayal of American workers by eliminating all taxes on overseas corporate profits.

The pity in all this is that a legitimate critique of the Obama record—present to some degree in the Paul dissection of the president’s war policy and his continuation of the Bush Wall Street bailout strategy—will not be heard in the general election debate. Instead, on the one hand, we will have Obama offering clever-sounding arguments for establishment policies that fail to deal with high unemployment, a brutal level of housing foreclosures and sharpening income inequality. And on the other hand there will be a Republican Party so steeped in the ethos of greed, racism and warmongering that it would leave even Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon, were they alive, with no choice but to vote for Obama as the lesser evil.

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Leefeller's avatar

By Leefeller, April 5, 2012 at 5:27 pm Link to this comment

Well it appears this thread has been cursed by the Green party long enough, apparently they have all moved on to greener pastures?

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By Shenonymous, April 5, 2012 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

ardee, April 5 at 3:59 am - you are one sick man and everyone
on Truthdig knows it.

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By Korky Day, April 5, 2012 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

This discussion is now shifting to the comments on Scheer’s newest article, “Obama by default”.

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By Leefeller, April 5, 2012 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

Ron Paul is the only anti war candidate far as I know, because he is obviously running at the expesnse and annoyance of both the Republicans and I suppose the Democrats. But I know Obama was a hawk when he ran back in 2008, he did not shy away from his feelings about Pakistan and he actually showed this as President.

The fact third party candidates and non traditional vetted candidates can run in any party is apparent, they must have given Paul a hall pass because they thought he had absolutely no chance of gaining any traction with his bald tires.  Last election Mike Gravel had a clear anti MIC message and before when he was in congress he spoke out with much emotional fortitude against the Vietnam Unwar. Gravel did not last long on the Democrat debate trail, which shows me something?

Any one with half their brain tied behind their back know money is power and always has been, the simple fact my personal dislike of the way things are working out, probably stems from the fact I do not have much money therefore any power except the potential to vote.

Even though I suspect it may be a phony illusion being a Democrat for right now offers me a feeling of collective kinship with the ideals opposed to the Republicans, whom I have absolutely with certitude no kinship, except contempt.  This is how politics works bunkey!

They have Rush Limbaugh and we have Ed Schultz!

I find at the federal level the Democrats in Congress as a whole seem to be in on the gravy train, 60 percent of Congress is part of the 1 percent,  but I can only vote in my state and I suppose I am one hell of a lot more aware of this then the majority of the so called 99 percent who are getting screwed.

So, my point,....rooting for a third party must really, really suck!

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By Shenonymous, April 4, 2012 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

Your depravity knows no end, ardee April 1, 2:45 pm.  I am
neither obsessive, arrogant, nor ignorant, and I do not hate anyone
least of all those who disagree with me.  It is you who shows hatred
with every post you make about me and about my views.  You are
shriveling up each time and soon you will be blown away as crap dust. 
You are such the blowhard that you never ever give any reference of
where I have ever said what you accuse.  I am not a liar, a stooge for
fascism nor an egomaniac. 

But thank you for adding to my celebrity!  Aw, ardee, you just have
a diseased mind because your Greens are not getting much notice and
it’s no fun for an old fella to shadow box with a small crowd.  A bit of
advice is that you spend less time maligning and slandering me and
more time trying to help the Greens get some traction.  Time’s running
out.

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By Leefeller, April 4, 2012 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment

All right BR, I looked it up:

“Agenda 21 is viewed by some on the American right as a plan to stealthily impose world-wide centralised control over people, attacking private property and energy usage.[3][4] A resolution approved by the Republican National Committee on 13 January 2012 asserted that Agenda 21 “is a comprehensive plan of extreme environmentalism, social engineering, and global political control”[”

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By Leefeller, April 4, 2012 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

BR, Don’t be sorry, you see the glass half empty and I see it half full. Far as I can tell every candidate out there has some lesser of the evils or worse of the evils which I call baggage, so we as voters have to make a decision on which evils we will tolerate compared to those we do not. How does one ever know what evil lurks behind their favorite choice candidate?

Have no idea what project 21 is, but I suspect it is something like Preparation H from Austin Powers; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mZAtpFXmQE

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By BR549, April 4, 2012 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

Lee,
Sorry, I’m with Korky on this one.

That’s been, and will continue to be, the problem; justifying the lesser of two evils and never really being able to vote one’s conscience, and that is exactly what THEY want us to be forced to vote for. As I stated before, no one has made it to the final round in the presidential election (since the ‘70s, anyway) unless David Rockefeller personally approved of it ...... and Kissinger and Brzezinski are right there beside him.

That is why, at every turn of the election wheel every four years, we always head in the same downward direction. There is no true conservative party, not anymore, nor is there any true liberal party. What we have now are neoconservative fascists with a near identical agenda to the seemingly progressive socialists.

If you haven’t looked into “Agenda 21” yet, I suggest you start, because many Americans are going to be in for a really rude awakening REALLY soon and BOTH the Democrats and Republican Parties are rubber-stamping the path toward that objective.

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By Leefeller, April 4, 2012 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

Voting for anyone or something I support is irresponsible? Only in your mind Korky, the difference seems only to be what you seem to support Korky!

Seems irresponsible to me voting for someone who has a snowballs chance in hell of wining or even getting their message out so my irresponsible self would know what they support and do not support and let someone like Romney win?

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By Korky Day, April 4, 2012 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

Leefeller is typical in saying that he might vote against the Duopoly IF other people first build up some other party to challenge it.  Other people!  Totally irresponsible.

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By Leefeller, April 4, 2012 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

Well after gleaning the thread I find the same old comments spewing;.... vote for my guy because your guy sucks, the same ole song and dance routine.

Why would anyone vote for empty promises from people they never heard of before and to top it off never even held office even as road apple collector? Yeah we have Ron Paul, what a joke, he has more baggage then the fat lady singing at the airport!

There seems to be some strange idea in the air, in which peoples favorite candidate is the fixer for the future and they will cure all that ails the nation. Every candidate out there except those I know nothing about may have their good points and their bad points. No one candidate supports all my ideals 100 percent, from what I see the pandering postings here, most of the posters seem myopically simplistic in their approach to politics and some seem trolling.

So I will troll for Obama, sure he sucks in some category’s, but he has some good points which I happen to believe he supports opposed to the Republicans which offer nothing I support, damn simple choice for youme.

Come on Ron Paul? Jill Stine? Rocky Anderson? They are the perfect candidates in your mind, so vote for them.

Every one of the candidates has baggage, so it’s your decision how much baggage one can stomach and priorities of which baggage you can leave at home when you vote, in the end the people of this nation will get screwed royally by the Repulsions or slowly by the Democratas. As stated by Lafayette we need to focus on Congress!  All other parties are for now non entities in my book or programed distractions to take away from the big two!

Give me a third party which has less baggage and a stinking chance and I will consider it a viable option,.... better yet show me a third party which is viable option!

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By - bill, April 2, 2012 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

Collins’ article was not only unconvincing (same-old, same-old lesser-of-two-evils mantra), it was also incompetent.  If, indeed, the main funders of Americans Elect are ‘purchasing a ballot line’ - note:  an EMPTY ballot line which will be filled in according to the desires of a million or so independent votes - that’s not at all the same thing the Super-PACs are purchasing (a nominee to fill in one of the ballot lines already reserved for one of the two major parties).

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By Korky Day, April 2, 2012 at 5:36 am Link to this comment

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/opinion/collins-time-to-elect-the-worst-idea.html?_r=1&hp;
was unconvincing.
Also, the comments were closed after a day or 2, as they were at firedoglake .
I’m not interested in Web sites with such short attentions spans. 
TruthDig is much better in that respect.

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By - bill, March 31, 2012 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

Lesser-evilism is just so 2004, Robert.  You make the same old argument for it, but it just doesn’t wash any more for many of us (for some of us it never did).

Because Obama has actively perpetuated and in some cases exacerbated most of the major problems with our country voting for him will not help.  Will voting for Romney hurt?  Quite possibly, but he’s not really that different from Obama, so probably not all that much.

What voting for ANYONE but Obama will do is demonstrate that the kind of treachery he visited upon those whom he so actively encouraged to believe in his promises (“an end to business as usual”, “change we can believe in”, closing down Guantanamo, negotiated Medicare Part D drug pricing, the ‘public option’, and too many more to count - though on-line itemized lists do exist if you’d like to consult them, plus his failure to address the major issues which you yourself listed as serious problems with his administration) simply will not be tolerated, regardless of the alternative.  There’s value in that, even if it may take a few election cycles to throw out enough sell-outs in national office and get better replacements up through the party primaries (or third parties, if they ever get their acts sufficiently together to become viable in that respect) to start making a difference.

“No pain, no gain” is what applies here (and should have been applied quite a while ago).

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By Korky Day, March 27, 2012 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

I got curious about firedoglake because of comments by Michael Cavlan RN.
They closed the comments on a story after one day, it looks like, at
http://elections.firedoglake.com/2012/03/22/bipartisan-agreement-in-hating-congress/#comments ; “Bipartisan Agreement in Hating Congress” by Jon Walker Thursday March 22, 2012 3:13 pm.

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By sallysense, March 25, 2012 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

sadly obama and romney’s main concern…
is neither we-the-people nor our nation…
and sadder still sit those hoodwinked voters…
picking low-caring traits for their top administration!...

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By Palindromedary, March 24, 2012 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

Well, I’d much rather Rocky Anderson than Buddy Roemer..that’s for sure. But Buddy Roemer, who just slithered out from under the gambling tables, is so far ahead of Rocky Anderson…

But the whole idea is really absurd…especially after you read:

http://irregulartimes.com/americanselectwatch.html

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By Michael Cavlan RN, March 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

Rocky Anderson will run for president regardless.

If American Elect (which is a corporate bought group) do not select him, he will run anyway. Against the corporate bought duopoly.

The proof is in the proverbial pudding. I also point to the smears that was thrown at Ralph Nader. Spoiler- Your fault- blah blah blah.

The very fact that they have to stoop to these lows tells me one thing.

Rocky Anderson is being effective. That makes me support him all the more.

Michael Cavlan RN
Candidate US Senate 2012
Minnesota Open Progressives

Now can ya dig it? As in truthdig it?

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By Palindromedary, March 24, 2012 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Ruling elite: “We have a problem…we are losing the zombies who have believed in our sham democracy..they no longer buy the validity of the two party system. What to do?”

Peter Ackerman: “Have I got a deal for you! I have created this new group called Americans Elect which will rake in all those doubting zombies…make them believe that we are the answer to their problems. We will pretend to be against the two-party system, call it corrupt, and plug in our own candidate that we will pretend was selected by “the people” using the internet. No paper ballots..just more elaborate electronic voting shams that we easily manipulate. Americans Elect is Plan C…if plan A (Republicans) or plan B (Democrats) fail..we can use plan C (Americans Elect)...and you will continue to rule the roost, delaying the inevitable revolution, but by that time you’ll all be dead of old age anyway..then you can let your benefactors worry about continuing to play the game.”

Ruling Elite: “That’s a swell idea! Let’s do it..what other choice do we have…Argentina?” Seig Heil!

“Peter Ackerman”: “Yeah, right!”

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By Palindromedary, March 24, 2012 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

Like Barack Obama, Rocky Anderson compromised his principals when he pretended that he would not be bought off by corporate big money.

Rocky Anderson said:
“The Republicans and the Democrats are completely in bed with the same folks, these corporate interests who are in control of our government,”

But now he has joined both the Republicans and the Democrats in submitting himself as a corporatist butt buddy when he joined Americans Elect.

“The Anderson campaign justified its embrace of the power of corporate interests by pointing out that Americans Elect could provide Anderson with ballot access. That ballot access was bought using secret donations from undisclosed big money donors – members of the One Percent – who paid the salaries of professional petitioners who put Americans Elect on the ballot despite the new political party’s lack of grassroots support.”

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/03/18/rocky-anderson-zombie-campaign-stumbles-on-after-americans-elect-suicide/

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By truedigger3, March 24, 2012 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

Re:By Michael Cavlan RN, March 24 at 9:28 am

Michael,

If you want to bullshit yourself that is your prerogative, however, please dont’t bullshit us in the mean time. I know you are an honest guy and you don’t mean to bullshit us but that what you are doing when you are trying to deceive yourself and thinking loudly.
Why a right_wing/super_rich group like American Elect support and endorse a “progressive”,  unless that “progressive” is a fake.
As I mentioned before, Rocky Anderson admires and quotes Thomas Friedman???!!!! Go figure and try to rationalize!!
That remind me about the period before the last presidential election when many people warned about Obama, and his advisers and the fact that he got the biggest contribution from Wall St. Those “nay sayers” were dismissed as purist or Republican Trolls by most progressives!!!

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By Michael Cavlan RN, March 24, 2012 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

Or indeed those who support the corporate corrupted, pro-war one money party supporters and active inn the 501c3 Industrial Complex smearing him by any and all means necessary.

Please refer to Ralph Nader in 2004 and 2008.

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By Palindromedary, March 24, 2012 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

The real question is: will Rocky Anderson “use” Americans Elect, or is it really not the other way around? Rocky Anderson will only be an Americans Elect puppet. And being an Americans Elect puppet means being a puppet of all those who created and backed Americans Elect. I doubt many people will fall for the idea that Rocky Anderson is just “using” Americans Elect and once in office would refute everything they stand for. That’s ridiculous! You think those people behind Americans Elect are stupid? They are smart…and devious…just as devious as the ones who try to make us all think that Obama is not really a Republican disguised as a liberal/progressive Democrat. But Americans Elect, and Rocky Anderson, sure are playing their “believers” as stupid..just as stupid as the Democrat Party is playing all those Obama supporters as stupid. And the wealthy ruling elite are controlling them all…playing all of voting Americans as stupid for thinking that voting has any real meaning anymore. Democracy is long dead in America. Only the puppets play the game in a sham Democracy.

I guess compromising one’s principals is all the rage in politics. How did that work out for Obama?

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/03/16/rocky-anderson-enters-ethics-quagmire-with-americans-elect/

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By Michael Cavlan RN, March 24, 2012 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

In fact it has been stated here that “I only heard about Rocky Anderson a few weeks ago.”

This comment should be looked at closely.


WHY is it that people have only recently heard about Rocky Anderson? Yes, part of the answer is his late entering into the race. I suppose he threw his hat into the ring when there emerged no other progressive challengers who are credible (no disrespect to Jill Stein, really) and so he decided to do it. Thank God.

Yes that is part of it. However a much more sinister aspect must be addressed.

The flat out unwillingness of most “progressive” blogs to “allow” articles about his campaign. The only way most people have even heard of hm was via the comments sections. Or the one Democracy Now interview or the other single interviews.

In other words, I contend that the 501c3 Industrial Complex and their allies in the corporate media do not want you to know about him.

Can ya dig it? As in TruthDig it?

Please google my article Censorship- A Liberal Value to see what I am talking about.

Meanwhile at firedoglake….........

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By Michael Cavlan RN, March 24, 2012 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

Maani

Rocky Anderson will use American Elect. For Ballot Access alone. He has been crystal clear and public on that. Even to the American Elect folks.


In fact imagine if American Elect did have Rocky as their #1 choice. That would do two things at the same time. Give Rocky desperately needed ballot access and put AE in its place.

Barring that, if AE did have Rocky as their choice and they refused to allow him and his campaign ballot access, it would expose AE.

This is a win win situation.

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By scott425, March 24, 2012 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

I’m having a hard time understanding the criticism of Rocky Anderson for participating in American’s Elect.

Why do people suppose that Anderson would be “beholden” to anyone if he won the nomination?

I suppose if these individuals control the process, maybe they can rig the vote or something.  But so what?  As long as more people hear more about Anderson and his message then the Americans Elect candidacy would be a success.

The only conspiratorial scenario I can imagine is if the true purpose of Americans Elect is to draw votes away from Obama in the general election.  But in that case, the same could be said for the Green Party. 

Either way, I’m not going to lose sleep over the prospect of Anderson’s message reaching a larger audience.

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By Maani, March 24, 2012 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

I had never heard of Rocky Anderson until a few weeks ago on TD.  I did some research, and he sure does seem like a true progressive.  Bravo.

However, here is what I found about the four leaders of Americans Elect:

Peter Ackerman: Member of the Board of the Council on Foreign Relations

Douglas Schoen: Analyst for Fox News.  Opposed President Obama’s Affordable Care Act, warned the Democratic Party to reject the Occupy Wall Street protest: “The protesters represent an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence, and that their common bond is a deep commitment to left-wing policies.”

Mark McKinnon: Global Vice-Chair of Hill & Knowlton. Became a Republican after meeting then Texas Governor George W. Bush. He has worked for President George W. Bush, and 2008 Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain.  Supported SOPA.

Christine Todd Whitman: Allegations of minority voter suppression re her gubernatorial campaign.  Suggested that African-American men play “Jewel in the Crown” to have as many children as possible.  Openly endorsed (and even participated in) racial profiling by law enforcement.  Famously said on 9/13, just two days after 9/11 that the air in lower Manhattan was “safe to breathe.”

Are these REALLY the people we want a candidate - no matter how progressive they may be - beholden to?

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By BR549, March 24, 2012 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

Michael Cavlan RN, March 24 at 7:23 am
“I agree about what you say about Amy Goodman. In fact when my own personal hero, Cynthia McKinney was in Libya reporting on the bombing and the horrors perpetrated by US forces, Amy Goodman never had her on her show.”

Cynthia was and still is marvelous; a hero to be sure. And I loved it when she lit into Rumsfeld in 2006. That woman has brass ovaries.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, March 24, 2012 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

Truedigger

I agree about what you say about Amy Goodman. In fact when my own personal hero, Cynthia McKinney was in Libya reporting on the bombing and the horrors perpetrated by US forces, Amy Goodman never had her on her show. Amy was far too busy reporting the NATO line. I strongly suspect that she knows she took some hits to her credibility on this.

As for Rocky Anderson, well we shall just have to disagree. Is Rocky Anderson perfect? No. Is he a screaming, wild eyes lefty? No.

Does his campaign provide the possible best solution to helping end the stranglehold that the pro-war, corporate corrupted one money party, pretending to be two parties, pseudo-democracy Kabuki Theater? In a word.

Yes.

That is why I support him and also why I strongly suspect why the 501c3 Industrial Complex, which underwrites and funds many “progressive” blogs simply refuse to “allow” articles about his campaign. Instead, doing the exact same as the corporate media. Focusing on the Republican Clown Car Circus. Which is a distraction, an intentional distraction from the real issues we face.

Meanwhile at the wonderful progressive blog firedoglake these issues are looked at. In detail. Articles about other candidates are (gasp!) allowed. Why how, how democratic of them. Come visit us at firedoglake.

Or not. You also have the right to stay uninformed.

Can you all dig it? As in TruthDig it?

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By oakland steve, March 24, 2012 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

I’m glad to see the criticism of Amy Goodman and Democracy Now! rear its ugly head again in the comments section of this blog. 

It means that one of two things is happening: 

1) my tax dollars are being put to good use with another version of COINTELPRO, slandering one of the few outlets for progressive news coverage in this country, or

2) there is a legion of fresh, pure-as-the-driven-snow progressive voices who are on the verge of providing real news coverage that will transcend all that has been accomplished by Ms Goodman.

Amy Goodman is the hardest working journalist in this country.  Petty people with small minds will take pot shots, but she will abide.

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By BR549, March 24, 2012 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

Lafayette, March 24 at 4:42 am Link to this comment
Re: National Ballot Access
“Yet another reason to vote for progressive candidates, but NOT Ron Paul.”

National Ballot Access is a double edged sword. Not having it keeps control at the state level if one desires a less intrusive federal government, yet having it invites Big Brother breathing down everyone’s neck ...... again. Paul’s stance was to at least limit the restrictions, whereas doing nothing at all about the problem would allow some states to continue their abuse. How this equates AT ALL to Ron Paul’s stance is beyond me, since he is a libertarian at the core.

From the Ballot Access News Blog:
I liked what this guy had to say, “I am a conservative who is fed up with the way the Republican party has gone off the rails. Show me a Democrat with an “A” rating from the Rifle Association, and I will vote for him or her in a heartbeat. Show me an old-fashioned Republican, however (e.g.: Congressman Paul), and he is the one who gets my vote. The America I understand is an anti-imperialist bastion of civil liberty, and that is the objective of Dr. Paul’s line of advocacy.”

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By truedigger3, March 24, 2012 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

Re:By Michael Cavlan RN, March 23 at 6:06 pm

Re: By Michael Cavlan RN, March 23 at 6:04 pm


Michael,

Both Rocky Anderson and Amy Goodman are fake and a fraud.
Amy Goodman supported the criminal attack on Libya and the destruction of a thriving modern society.
She propogated the same lies from the MSM which she is now attacking. She cannot have her cake and eat it too!.
Rocky Anderson is an admirer and quoter of Thomas Friedman the sadist cruel war monger and messenger of globalization and neolibralism and who is married into one of the wealthiest families in the US!.
In my humble opinion, your Rocky Anderson is nothing but another Obama which means that he is a good talker, bullshit artist and con man.

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By Shenonymous, March 24, 2012 at 6:51 am Link to this comment

Normally you would be right, Lafayette, but on blogs sticks and
stones are words and names are weapons when leveled at someone’s
character and their beliefs.  So if you don’t mind I will beat off every
and any contemptible attack I deem harmful and to maintain what I
think is my integrity.

The problem for progressive candidates is the same as it is for the
Greens and any other third-party, that there are no eminent, renowned
possible candidate who has made any splash on the public scene and
who has a rat’s ass chance of even making a mark in the national
election.  Nader was well known and did not attract enough votes, and
Ron Paul is well known does not attract more than single digit numbers
after having umpteen opportunities for national exposure.  Stein might
be an outstanding individual, and I have never said she wasn’t, but she
has no following outside of a limited cadre and I’ve pointed out that the
number of those registered as Greens is the smallest of the major known
parties, which is vastly smaller than the two top traditional ones.  The
other two or three mentioned are hardly known also.  I don’t think they
have the organization to upset the two-party majority in this country.  If
any whittling away at that reality is to happen, it has to start at a local
level and work its way to the upper echelons of public office.  When I
have suggested that I suffered all kinds of bad-mouthed words, verbal
castigations, and vituperations from the defensively irrational partisans
that I am bigoted.  I am a realist.  What progressive candidate(s) are there
to support?  Alan Grayson, and who else?  But none that are presidential
material.  My sole objective is tunnel-visioned, to end the tyranny with
which the Republicans have manacled and shackled the lesser privileged
and deprived of this country.  If that means voting for the Democrats well
I too will hold my nose and do it and work to change the nature of the
current batch of craven Democrats.

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By Lafayette, March 24, 2012 at 5:42 am Link to this comment

IN THE GREATEST DEMOCRACY ON EARTH

MC RN: Because the corporate corrupted, pro-war duopoly that Robert Scheer and apparently TruthDig want you to support has made it almost impossible to get on the ballot if you are not a Dem or Pepuke.

MC overstates the case, but he may be nonetheless right about ballot access in the US.

From WikiP here:

The United States and Switzerland are the only countries in the world that don’t have national ballot access standards for federal elections;  however in Swiss federal elections each Canton elects its own representatives, and each candidate can only be listed in one Canton.

Since 1985, Democrats and Republicans (including Congressman John Conyers (D-MI), Congressman Tim Penny (D-MN) and Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)) have repeatedly introduced in the US House of Representatives a bill that would set maximum ballot access requirements for House elections. The bill has only made it to the House floor once, in 1998, when it was defeated 62-363.

Yet another reason to vote for progressive candidates, but NOT Ron Paul.

The article is interesting and worth reading for those who think the US is the Greatest Democracy on Earth. If you believe that nonsense ... boy, are YOU blind.

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By Lafayette, March 24, 2012 at 5:27 am Link to this comment

Sticks and stones, children, may break my bones, but names can never hurt me.

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By Shenonymous, March 24, 2012 at 4:08 am Link to this comment

The only shrillness you hear ardee is the the rotting garbage litany
you are obsessively stuck with.

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By Lafayette, March 24, 2012 at 3:20 am Link to this comment

PROGRESSIVES RATHER THAN PLUTOCRATS

{With Mitt Romney’s super-PAC limo now on cruise control to victory at the GOP convention, voters are left with only two reasons to vote against Barack Obama: Either they are desperate to return a white man to the White House or they feel strongly that it is time to break the glass ceiling denying Mormons the presidency.}

Seems good going to me. In a toss between Tweedle-Dumb and Tweedle-Dee, both can be left to tumble.

That Obama should be reelected is not the point - as much as denizens of this forum might wish otherwise.

The point is electing more progressives to Congress in an effort to overcome the Koch Bros. T-Party majority (or push them out entirely from Congress).

The objective should be clear. No fundamental reform of America can happen until the Progressive Caucus in Congress grows way beyond its present level of barely 20%.

As the American public understands that Progressive rather than Plutocrat Policies will better their lot in life, then two things may happen:
* Borderline but unannounced progressives in Congress, afraid to be designated as one, will cross the line into the Caucus.
* The total number will increase giving Progressive Policies more sway in Congress.

Which means what? A progressive president can enact legislation, which will not be stonewalled by the Troglodytes, that finally Reform America.
Reform what?

Reform the manner in which the Plutocrats have been Gaming Taxes since Reckless Ronnie Reagan brought marginal and capital gain income down from the heights at which they produced tax revenues that, firstly, helped balance the budget and, secondly, institute policies of Social Justice for All Americans.

Those are the two cornerstones of Program Reform America, or they should be.

Mission Impossible? No, but for the moment, Mission Improbable. There are just not enough of a notion of progressive objectives (for Social Justice) amongst the grassroots American electorate.

The progressives have a pedagogical challenge ahead of them and that challenge stretches far beyond next November.

There is NO QUICK-FIX to the myriad problems afflicting the American economy and politics. This battle could take a decade.

MY POINT?

What are YOU doing for the next decade? Bitching-in-a-blog or volunteering for duty in the battle to Reform America?

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By Michael Cavlan RN, March 23, 2012 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment

I am very active on the Rocky Anderson campaign

The only and I mean the only reason that Rocky has considered the Americans Elect group is because of the ballot access issue. Because the corporate corrupted, pro-war duopoly that Robert Scheer and apparently TruthDig want you to support has made it almost impossible to get on the ballot if you are not a Dem or Pepuke.

Those are the facts. Facts which never get covered in TruthDig articles. Just in the comment section.

Come on over to firedoglake. The water is just fine.

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By BR549, March 23, 2012 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, March 23 at 8:34 pm
“BR549 – Were that it was the way you describe, “What if a benevolent dictator cared deeply for his people, never executed anyone and theprisons were empty?”  Has there ever been such a dictator?  Is there any example that has been the life of a society?”

I doubt it. I never implied there was one; only that what good is ANY form of government, even a democratic republic, if they eventually all become vulnerable to and fall from corruption.  This issue then is calling a spade a spade and realizing that the hunger for power and control, as you alluded to, must be recognized by the people for what it really is, a quest by a gang of sociopaths to rob, murder, and claw their way to the top because they have lost any true spiritual connection to their maker and the people they share the same DNA with. It’s one thing to work hard to get to the top and aspire for something greater, but what does it say of those who find it necessary to burn the ladder so that no else can follow them? These globalists must be a really sick and twisted lot.

If we are all aspects of God (in whatever form one choses to see that), what do their actions say of how they respect even themselves? They admit to to wanting to destroy the Constitution and to strip any sense of sovereignty, nationality, and ethnicity from peoples all around the world. It’s their stated purpose. That is so that no political issues cause them to start quarreling amongst themselves and they can continue to reap more wealth. I read that last part as their having so little trust in themselves and what they are doing that they have to devise a system that discourages their own natural tendency to cheat their own kind. It’s more like a temporary truce between mobsters before they blow each others’ brain out through inherent distrust of each other.

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By Shenonymous, March 23, 2012 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

BR549 – Were that it was the way you describe, “What if a benevolent
dictator cared deeply for his people, never executed anyone and the
prisons were empty?”  Has there ever been such a dictator?  Is there
any example that has been the life of a society?  There may have been
“good” dictators (which I cannot fine even one of these), but a benevo-
lent one for certain cannot be found.  I wish the world was as you
describe too, but I’m too much of a realist and have studied much
about human behavior and thinking to believe however we have come
to have the human nature we do, only a democratic form of society is
fair and provides and preserves equal treatment to all members of that
society. You will have to come up with some existent examples of any
other “best” sort of governance.

I could not agree more that it is corruption, avarice, and lack of
integrity that is the problem.  But I would add one higher need than
all of those.  The need for power, to which the ones you listed are in
the service of.  Also agreed that there is no form of government that is
immune to many forms of manipulation, exploitation, and venality.  That
is why it is imperative for each and every citizen to become informed of
the government under which they live and that education is protected
from partisanship and made possible by their government.  Then they
must make sure their government cannot exploit them.  Therein lies the
rub, and the difficulty of preserving the integrity of the people as well as
their government.  Such is the reason for laws.

Maybe Michael Cavlan RN, March 23 6:06 pm you don’t visit Truthdig
enough.  Amy Goodman is a regular contributor of articles here.  You
might check out her archive through the search bar.

For the number of reasons to vote against Obama, I can give just as
many to vote for him.

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By Palindromedary, March 23, 2012 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

Rocky Anderson is Americans Elect candidate. As I have said previously…you’d better check out Americans Elect and it’s founder Peter Ackerman (aka: Michael Milken’s right hand man). Remember the Savings and Loan scandals? Americans Elect tries to pretend to be “for the people” who are ticked off at the corrupt two party system. And I agree, the two party system is corrupt but Americans Elect is not who they pretend to be. They are most certainly not progressive or liberal or anywhere in between the Republican and the Democrats. I’d say they were more far right than the Republicans but want you to believe otherwise. They are very secretive about who is funding and backing them and it has been discovered that some are very wealthy and Fascist right wingers. Another organization that Ackerman founded,International Center on Nonviolent Conflict (ICNC), is often thought to be a civilian CIA counterpart that tries to overthrow foreign governments by funding and training dissidents on how to create dissension and destabilization from within.

Ackerman also was a CATO board member. CATO is an anti-regulation Libertarian think tank that that has on it’s agenda many conservative things including privatizing Social Security.

I don’t know much about Jill Stein and may be a good candidate for President. Noam Chomsky has endorsed her. I just hope she, or her husband are not pro-ultra-zionist who would bend over backward to please the Jewish lobbyist groups.

And what makes anyone really believe that Obama would appoint liberal or progressive SCOTUS judges? He hasn’t exactly been very liberal or progressive this last three years….more like an ultra-conservative. I think we would have a much better chance of getting liberal or progressive SCOTUS judge appointments by someone other than a Faux Democrat or a Republican.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/01/19/regime-change-inc-denies-its-own-existence/

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By Samson, March 23, 2012 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

I’m at the point where I read the nonsense from
Democrats and think “what the bleep is he talking
about?”

Here’s some reasons to vote against Obama.

—You oppose the wars.  You are tired of Presidents
starting war after war around the world. If you vote
for Obama, you are voting for more war.  Obama has
almost said that a vote for Obama is a vote for a war
with Iran.

—You support the Constitution.  Obama has one-up’d
Dubya in that Obama has completely ignored the
Constitution when it comes to war power (and many
other areas)

—You are opposed to an America that believes in
secret prisons, torture and Gitmo.  Obama is now the
man in charge of all of these things, and a vote for
Obama is a vote for more of this.

—You are opposed to open spying on Americans. 
Obama has expanded Dubya’s spying.  His
administration just announced a rule change that
allows spying on all Americans NOT suspected of
terrorism and keeping that data for five years to
check up on you.

—You are opposed to Wall Street running the country
and getting immunity from prosecution.

And that’s just scratching the surface.  The list of
reasons to vote against Obama would probably paper
over this entire country.

First and foremost should be, Obama lied his rear off
to you four years ago about what he was going to do
as President (where are our Change and Hope?), and
people should be mad as heck over that and should
kick his sorry rearend out of the White House just
for that.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, March 23, 2012 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

As an aside, Amy Goodman spoke in Minneapolis today. She talked of how the media have lost credibility by being a lapdog to power instead of being a watchdog of those in power.

TruthDig should hear her sometime.

Can ya dig it? As in TruthDig it?

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By Michael Cavlan RN, March 23, 2012 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

Amazing

Good old Truthdig.

You can only vote for White Romney or Black Romney.

You will never apparently find an article on Rocky Anderson here. It would appear that the 501c3 Industrial Complex do not want you knowing that option. Same as the corporate media.

Meanwhile, feel free to visit firedoglake A political blog which actually (gasp!) allows articles about third party candidates like Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein, Roseannne Barr or the others.

Also, feel free to google search michael cavlan censorship a liberal value.

You will find it on firedoglake, Twin City Daily Planet and now Project Censored.

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By BR549, March 23, 2012 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,
“I disagree that it doesn’t make any difference what form of government we have…  communism does not allow a freedome of speech and open government, the central committee controls everything, dictatorships never allow human rights and freedoms and monarchies can be benevolent but the economy goes to their lordships coffers.”

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I didn’t say that we ever actually had any good working models of ANY one of those forms of government. What if a benevolent dictator cared deeply for his people, never executed anyone and the prisons were empty? It might be such that, however he acquired his position, no one really questioned his authority and everything was hunky-dory. Who knows? Same thing would hold for communism, socialism, monarchism, etc., although our modern era negative experience has been through “Communism”, which had western corruption written all over it. I mean, after you factor in the Rockefellers’ funding the Bolshevik Revolution with the express purpose of shutting down half of Russia’s oil wells to reduce global oil competition, I mean, Russia might have become a major player in the oil industry were it not for the Rockefeller’s paranoid meddling. Russia ultimately ended up ceding Korea to the Japanese. The world would have taken a much different course.

ANY of these forms of governments; socialism, communism, monarchism, dictatorship has just as much potential for success as our currently corrupt and degrading democratic republic. Look where we are; the most detailed constitution on the planet and corruption STILL managed to slither its way into the picture. So what’s the difference between Hitler, Stalin, and the plans that the current globalists have to exterminate billions of people to get rid of, what in their own words are, “useless eaters”. My point was more that any of these other forms of government COULD work, theoretically, as long as there were compassionate rulers and as long as the welfare of the people was the prime concern. Who would care how long they remained in position? The problem is that the Trilateral Commission’s stated objective is to subvert the US Constitution and look how many of our politicians are members of that group.

The forms of government aren’t the problem; the problem is corruption, avarice, and a lack of integrity, and it appears that NO form of government is immune from its evil tentacles, not even ours.

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By Maani, March 23, 2012 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

All:

As Shenonymous - and ONLY She - has pointed out, there is one VERY critical reason to vote for Obama: SCOTUS.  It is very likely that the next president will be appointing AT LEAST two justices.  Even setting aside the fact that I basically agree with She’s “lesser of two evils” position, and also agree with her position re not allowing the Repugs to gain control of the executive AND legislative branches, I will hold my nose and vote for Obama because I am mortified - even more than I am by Obama’s betrayals and disappointments - at the thought of a Romney, Gingrich or (God forbid!) Santorum appointing SCOTUS members.  And don’t forget: SCOTUS appointments - and the damage they can do - is forever!

Peace.

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By Shenonymous, March 23, 2012 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

Sorry I left out an important word,
I believe and have not been convinced by any one else that democracy
is NOT the only form of government that works for a society.

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By Shenonymous, March 23, 2012 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

BR549, March 23 12:21 pm – Well Bernie has always sided with the
Democrats in Congress, but he is outspoken and makes his strong
liberal opinions known on media interviews.  And his website always
has his views available.  He just does not have much support with the
rank and file Democrats who are closer to the Republican caucuses, and
the liberal Democrats are few and do speak out but are not supported
by the others.  It would be impossible for me to not be a liberal.  I will
be supporting Alan Grayson who is one of the bravest of the liberals on
the political scene. That sticks in the craw of Shenonymous-hater ardee
but his venom has been shot at me for so long that it has no effect.  He
is distracted by his hatred of me and spends untold hours at it.  I fear
the man may just shrivel up someday from it. 

ardee you are fanatically intolerant of my different view and will recount
whatever I say using your own colored interpretation.  Your vile and
bigoted commentaries about me really just aren’t relevant ardee.  You
know I am not going to desist in advocating for the liberals, not ever.  If
you can’t sleep at night because of that, then you might go for some
therapy or take some sleeping pills. 

BR549, you say

It doesn’t make any difference what form of government
we have so long as it is open, transparent, and honest
with its people. It could be communism, socialism, a
dictatorship, monarchy, or the remains of our democratic
republic. Any form of government will work as long as the
spirit of man is allowed to flourish,...

I disagree that it doesn’t make any difference what form of government
we have…  communism does not allow a freedome of speech and open
government, the central committee controls everything, dictatorships
never allow human rights and freedoms and monarchies can be
benevolent but the economy goes to their lordships coffers. I believe
and have not been convinced by any one else that democracy is the
only form of government that works for a society.  There are kinds of
democracies and the citizens decide which one fits their needs.  If it is
as you say, and I do agree, as long as the spirit of man is allowed to
flourish, that is what is important, but I think you mean that is the only
way a society can work for everyone.” The vital, basic, and pivotal point
is to create such a society.  We citizens are required to do it. To do that
is not an easy thing to do.  Humans have been trying for millennia.  If
the New World Order as you call them indeed are running everything
then there ought to be a movement to stop them.  Where is the Occupy
NWO effort?

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By Korky Day, March 23, 2012 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

Even better wording:

In the 2012 presidential general election, I pledge to vote for any ticket of my choice, other than the Republican or Democratic tickets, if a majority of registered voters pledge likewise.

That leaves open the possibility of voting for a pair such as Ron Paul (Republican) for president and Dennis Kucinich (Democrat) for vice president.  That could be on the Americans Elect ballot line (though I’m not endorsing AE).

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By Korky Day, March 23, 2012 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

If Ron Paul doesn’t win the Republican nod, there’s no point at all in voting for the Republican or Democratic presidential tickets this year.

However, in that disappointing case, there are Web services now which offer pledging.  I don’t know which is the best.  We should find a good one and then gather e-pledges for something like this:

In the 2012 presidential general election, I pledge to vote for a ticket other than the Republican or a Democratic tickets if a majority of registered voters pledge likewise.

That would be the national pledge. 
There could be state pledges, too.

Sure, a few people would chicken out,
but they’d be replaced by late-comers. 

How about it, folks? 
Can anybody improve on that?
It’s worth a try, don’t you think?

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By RHONDA, March 23, 2012 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment
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Does anyone need reminding that Clinton gave us NAFTA
and repealed Glass-Stiegel?  So, both sides promoted
the damage.

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By BR549, March 23, 2012 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

Blueokie, March 22 at 3:55 pm
“Seriously kids, you voted Slick Willie in twice to avoid the evil of the Repugs and got the dismantling of the Social Safety Net, Wall Street deregulation, and a faster concentration of wealth than even Ronny Ray-Gun could have imagined.”

It wouldn’t have made any difference anyway, since the only candidates that are allowed to advance to the finals are ALWAYS hand picked by Rockefeller and the Trilateral Commission. And each and every candidate that has opposed NAFTA has been unceremoniously shown the debate stage door.

I thought Obama might have been different even though he refused to discuss NAFTA, and guess what? NAFTA was this guys middle name. If people don’t understand NAFTA, I suggest that they park their butt in a chair and read and find out, since the evisceration of the US way of life is part of their agenda (and I’m not exaggerating). The want to intentionally lower our standard of living, pick the jobs we work at, limit our travel and dissolve the US COnstitution. I used to think that Jimmy Carter was the real deal and the only candidate that had a conscience ......... until I found out that he had filled his whole administration to the brim with CFR and TC people.

So, THAT is why people give up and don’t vote, but as Andrew Napolitano suggested, you protest them out, you vote them out; when those don’t work, you throw the bastards out forcibly. These ‘powers-that-be’ tried to stage a coup using former WWI Gen. Smedley Butler, but being the true patriot he was, he refused to be a part of it. Now, roughly 70% of the military are behind Ron Paul,
but the media doesn’t want you to hear anything about that. The same people who hand pick the candidates also own the media, so one might safely conclude that anyone they support in the media is going to be the WRONG candidate.

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By BR549, March 23, 2012 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

Re: Shenonymous, March 22 at 3:46 pm

I’d vote for Bernie and I like Alan Grayson (D), too, although any politician who questions the official edicts of David Rockefeller eventually finds his ass out on the sidewalk. As time goes on, and Bernie continues to side with the people, no doubt David will have reached his tolerance limit and Bernie will be muscled out or be in a plane crash. That’s how they operate.

It doesn’t make any difference what form of government we have so long as it is open, transparent, and honest with its people. It could be communism, socialism, a dictatorship, monarchy, or the remains of our democratic republic. Any form of government will work as long as the spirit of man is allowed to flourish, but that isn’t what the NWO has in mind. It has to lie to the people to gets its needs met and, instead of making this a better place for all, all it really wants to really do is hoard power for itself. It wants to concentrate power among a very few self-appointed sociopathic parasitic hemophiliacs and make it so that no one else could ever remove them; no matter how poorly they manage the show.

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By ardee, March 23, 2012 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

I read the rather typical and oft repeated nonsense spouted by our resident Democratic robot, Shenonymous, and cannot, for the life of me understand such simplistic and infantile lack of reasoning. She says to vote for the liberal democrat, I see no such candidate running for the Presidency.

She claims that Greens have no presence in todays political scene yet always avoids discussing the reason for the slow growth thereof, the machinations of her own party in keeping Greens off ballots and out of debates. Yet they continue to grow despite the denials she adopts.

I repost from a previous effort:

Voting ones conscience may be an idea foreign to Mr. Scheer, voting in a way that signals ones own desire for the path of American politics away from BOTH corporatist parties, voting for third parties that seem our only hope of keeping Progressive ideas and ideals alive , are all far better actions than voting for a man who has broken his every promise, waffled and displayed repeated cowardice and even incompetence.

Mr. Scheers offers voting against Romney, I offer that voting against both of them, two corporatists who will leave the CEO’s in charge of our nations legislatures and laws is ones duty, obligation and the only reasoned path to change that is nonviolent.

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By joegod, March 23, 2012 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment
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Shenonymous, you seem nice, but u may have a bit too much time on your
hands to be constantly essaying on the comment scrolls here and i think it is
a little much. I don’t think you are being mindful of the other readers and
commenters when you turn this into your own personal chatroom.
    A lot of people have made good points here,stating succinctly what is
wrong with our systems and why- all I can add is that voting would only
make a real difference if everyone voted. How to make that happen is
another story, and I don’t have all the answers. Until then, somehow or
other people are going to have to unite,nation-wide,behind SOMETHING, or
this slow, painful downward spiral will continue along to it’s logical
conclusion.

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By joegod, March 23, 2012 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment
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Shenonymous, you seem nice, but u may have a bit too much time on your
hands to be constantly essaying on the comment scrolls here and i think it is
a little much. I don’t think you are being mindful of the other readers and
commenters when you turn this into your own personal chatroom.
    A lot of people have made good points here,stating succinctly what is
wrong with our systems and why- all I can add is that voting would only
make a real difference if everyone voted. How to make that happen is
another story, and I don’t have all the answers. Until then, somehow or
other people are going to have to unite,nation-wide,behind SOMETHING, or
this slow, painful downward spiral will continue along to it’s logical
conclusion.

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By Carol, March 23, 2012 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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Robert Scheer:  just wanted to respond to your recent discussion with Cynthia McKinney: 

Elizabeth Warren is just another warmonger.  I liked her first too, until i looked more deeply into what she believes.

My vote will being going to either Rocky Anderson or Jill Stein.  If Obama (or any future dimocrap) loses by, say, 10% and say the Green Party consisted of that 10%, the dimocraps would learn real fast that if they don’t represent their base that they will lose their jobs.

Don’t stay home:  vote 3rd party.

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By jimmmmmy, March 23, 2012 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

Scot425 Obama supports and in fact has doubled down on the Bush Doctrine .I stand by my assesment of the American political situation. Both are liars and opprtunists who will do as instructed by the banksters, oil barons, and the security apparatus.

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By jimmmmmy, March 23, 2012 at 9:18 am Link to this comment

I object to these comment sections being used as chat rooms. With the long personal exchanges that have nothing to do with the articles. The moderators seem to have no problem editing non p.c. comments. What gives?

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By jimmmmmy, March 23, 2012 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

Blueokie very funny response. lol

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By scott425, March 23, 2012 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

I’m a little alarmed by how prevalent “don’t vote” is. 

I really have no idea just how corrupt the system is.  My working assumption is that it’s pretty corrupt, and the voting process is not exactly legit.

Further complicating the issue is that it’s difficult to tell if the difference b/w Obama and Romney represents a real difference or whether there is no difference at all.  I think there is probably a difference, and this makes the process very frustrating, since I reject the 2-party system but I also reject the philosophy of “make it worse”.

“Not voting” seems like the worst possible response for progressives.  Even if the voting itself doesn’t matter, the educational effort that goes into the process DOES matter.  Moreover, there might be a significant difference b/w what Obama and Romney would do, most significantly with regard to Syria and Iran.

At the very least, if you don’t like either the Dems or GOP, use the electoral process as an opportunity to educate people about the need for reforms and the existence of third parties with alternative platforms like the Green Party and the Justice Party.

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By bigchin, March 23, 2012 at 3:31 am Link to this comment
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don’t look now, Mr. Scheer, but Alan Nasser has your number - the liberal ostrich: http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/22/the-strange-case-of-the-liberal-ostrich/

“In confining the political to the Republocrat consensus, the liberal exhibits a common political vice that needs to be called for what it is: a deficiency of historical imagination. The logic that says one should vote only for someone who can win is self-perpetuating. If it’s good advice now it will necessarily be good advice next time around, and the time after that, and the time… The bare possibility that the Democrat-Republican, liberal-conservative dichotomies may be historically obsolete in these neoliberal times is ruled out a-priori. The present moment is frozen in time. This is a poory disguised version of the End of History thesis. We turn out to inhabit what is in effect the only possible world, which must be, if you think about it, also the best possible world. The liberal as Panglos…”

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By Michael, March 23, 2012 at 1:41 am Link to this comment
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Voting for the “lesser of two evils” is the most pathetic reason to vote for a candidate.

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By Emmy Carson, March 22, 2012 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment
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I believe JK Galbraith is credited with saying that our elections are a choice between the unpalatable and the disastrous.  Certainly that is what we will face again this fall.

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By owleyone, March 22, 2012 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment
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It amazes me how Ron Paul is ignored or counted out. GOP
caucuses are rampant with GOP establishment fraud. Please
don’t take my word for it, look it up. Not one state has had an
honest election.
If America is to survive we must have sound money. The last
100 years under the Federal Reserve system has shown us these
bankers don’t have the people in mind. America is fully capable
of printing it’s own money. Check out North Dakota. It’s a fine
example of it.

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By MeHere, March 22, 2012 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

It’s amazing to see how many people, including R. Scheer, are still discussing the merits of Democratic vs. Republican candidates. Don’t we know how this works already? All these candidates are using their obscene campaign money to push the buttons which in their judgement and that of their campaign gurus will possibly put them in office. What they will do once they are in office is a different matter that will depend on what’s going on at the moment and what the powerful interests want via the corrupt legislature and the lobbies. It’s all about marketing strategies -not too different from how businesses operate.

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By Blueokie, March 22, 2012 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

Another hack mail-in. You should have stopped with the title if you wanted accuracy.

Seriously kids, you voted Slick Willie in twice to avoid the evil of the Repugs and got the dismantling of the Social Safety Net, Wall Street deregulation, and a faster concentration of wealth than even Ronny Ray-Gun could have imagined.

Your latest martyr, Al “Sleepy” Gore, lost by trying to out “Right-Center” Dubya.

Personally I was against Obamanation when the social climbing careerist jumped in with the Dimocraptic leadership in endorsing corporatist Joe “Droopy Dog” Liberman over the anti-war Democratic nominee Ned Lamont in Connecticut in 2006.  You then voted for change, and Dubya’s third term, with “Mendacity of Hope” absurdist Obama in 2008.

The only reason to “vote” for either of the Oligarchs candidates is for the emotional immediate gratification of “winning”, to soon be followed with the rationalization of Robamaney had no choice but to go to war simultaneously with Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas.  He had to OK KeystoneXL to bring down gas prices by selling jet fuel and diesel to China and Latin America.  He had no choice but to dismantle SS, Medicare, Medicade, Education, Public Health etc.etc. because the “natural” concentration of wealth by the “economy” left no choice.

Do you honestly believe that Pelosi and Reid aren’t selling you out to the same interests and for the same reasons as Bohner and McConnell?

History shows that the run up to revolutions take 30 to 40 years, its not going to be done overnight by choosing Coke over Pepsi.  If you don’t like the verticallization of power and wealth, stop endorsing it with your “votes”.

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By Shenonymous, March 22, 2012 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

Way…elll gerard, we are both women!  And outspoken!  It has been
rewarding to read your posts these many years.

I’m probably about to get my e-head bashed, but my e-battle scars
are worn with much e-pride. 

Aquifer
Ed Lytwak
Korky Day
sofianitz
Dave Schwab…
...and any other arm-chair Cinderella anti-liberal anti-Democrat
politician for whom the shoe fits.  Aw youse guys overact a lot about
a situation that you will affect only a teensy weensy widdle bit.  Now
if Korky Day can advertise the Greens on TD, I certainly then can
advertise the Liberal Democrats, right? Free country? Free forum? Free
speech?  Or no?  Are you all going to be Nazis?  Thank you Godwin for
having lived. 

Gee if it was between Jill Stein or Ron Paul, who would youse guys vote
for?  I do believe Ron Paul has infiltrated half and Jill Stein the other half
of this forum.  Hell maybe the entire website for free publicity even with
all his gold.  Guess youse Green guys need to send Jill all of your money! 
“Sheesh says She!”  Since youse guys outnumber me all to one, surely
you don’t mind if I say a few words about us liberals, do you? LOL
Keep it civil now, youse guys.  Well…I vote for Bernie Sanders!  Yayyyyy!
for Bernie!  http://www.sanders.senate.gov/ hahaha fooledja!  Bernie is
not running and he is as liberal a socialist as they come. He is one
fabulous politician though.  Vermont is lucky to have him. 

Well youse will have to wait until after dinner for my Liberal Democrat
poster.  Be sure to stay at howling ready!

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By BR549, March 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

jimmmmmy, March 22 at 7:11 am Link to this comment
“...  Ron paul is an 80 year old political insider who has been in government for 40
years or so, and has helped create the mess were in now. He’s the repub. version
of Bernie Sanders.”

Still getting your news from O’Reilly, Hannity and Maddow, huh?

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By gerard, March 22, 2012 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

Shenon, again:  Oddly enough, on my recent birthday I asked my family to donate to—guess who?—Doctors Without Borders, which they did! Who knows what else we have in common?

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By Dave Schwab, March 22, 2012 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer, I’d like to introduce you to another candidate for president, Jill Stein of the Green Party. Dr. Stein is campaigning for a Green New Deal to provide green jobs for everyone who wants them, and unlike Obama and Romney, she accepts no corporate money for her campaign.

For more information about Jill Stein’s campaign for president, check out http://www.jillstein.org/

Please do not perpetuate the myth that the two corporate-sponsored establishment parties are the only parties in the US - by doing so, you perpetuate corporate domination of politics.

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By Shenonymous, March 22, 2012 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

gerard - you are so funny.  I’ve never become part of anyone’s mental
DNA before!  Be careful, as the Shenon can be a pain in the A, so I’ve
been told, royally. 

What indeed can WE do.  Well I don’t wring my hands, I do what I
can when I can.  Just as you do.  And a few others who have spoken
rather eloquently on these forums. We may have differences but as
long as we are true to our own humanity, I think we cannot help but
be on the right path.  I do get so weary of those who would deny so
many of a decent and healthful life, wherever it happens in the world. 
Some Americans have it bad, but I think of the millions and millions
elsewhere in the world who have it exponentially worse.  I do what I
can for that as well.  Which can only be materially. I donate to Doctors
Without Borders and other groups.  There are so many…

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By StephenS777, March 22, 2012 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

This ringing endorsement of the lesser of two evils only reinforces my decision not to vote for Obama again. Voting for a 3rd party is the right thing to do. Your vote for a 3rd party helps keep opposition voices alive and since the United States is now the Nation of Bipartistan, Inc., there’s really no other choice.

The Democratic Party, Inc. has spent these last years kicking its alleged “base” in the teeth. If, as a result of the abuse it has dealt to its alleged base, the Democratic Party earns itself a “dirty eye” it will be deserved—and don’t come crying to me when it does. I was one of the people trying to pressure Obama and his allies to do what they promised to do (promises that were obviously nothing more than a slick marketing campaign).

Vote 3rd Party, keep opposition voices on the ballots. Do Not Vote for the Obama-Romney coalition party which runs the United States of Bipartistan.

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By Jeff N., March 22, 2012 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

Speaking of having no choice, Obama is about to cave on another absurd financial deregulation bill, the JOBS Act (h.r. 3606).  Maybe Truthdig would be so nice as to report on this little gem.

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By gerard, March 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

Shenon: From now on, every day of my life when I go online to search for news of Occupy, I shall think of you.  The next time I have a couple extra-warm coats, or $25 to spare for Occupy, I will send it and think of you.  When I cannot avoid thinking about my grandchildren who are (sadly) being “home-schooled” and I could do nothing to prevent it, I shall think of you—and shed a few more tears! What—oh, what ARE we to do about the sad, contemptible state of our once-beloved country?  And when? And how?  Free Bradley Manning.  Free Julian Assange.

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By Angel Gabriel, March 22, 2012 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

Very good points Robert! Partisan politics mixed with the big bucks boys
Plutocracy hqave destroyed the electoral system. Greed has seized the day -
Quo-Bono?? Not hard to figure out who profits by buying the Presidency and all
of the Horsemen (Congress, Senate, and now Judicial). Most American’s do not
have a single clue as to what is going on to undermine “Government for and by
the people”! They get home from the unemployment line, or work (if they are
one of the lucky ones who actually have a job), turn on the news, and what do
they see?? How can ANYONE make a choice that will create the change in the
current system of complete Hegemony, so lop sided that even a blind person
can feel that the ground under their feet is at close to a 90% incline weighted to
the financial interests of the one-1%! Alas, no vote will correct this imbalance or
turn around the USS Titanic that is crashing on the gigantic Reef and only has a
couple of life boats. The waters are freezing cold and filled with hungry Tiger
Sharks, so if the cold doesn’t kill the floating 99%, the sharks will rip them to
shreds!
Have a read of this article in the Aisa-Times. This would never be allowed to
appear in the US. It is far too telling, unless you have read “Rubicon” Crossing
the Rubicon. My god folks, the time is long passed where a vote makes any
difference whatsoever! Robert Scheer’s contention is absolutely correct - it just
doesn’t matter anymore!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/NC21Dj05.html

Live long and prosper??? Yeah right!

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By Shenonymous, March 22, 2012 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

You have found me out, gerard.  I am wholeheartedly a supporter
of Occupy.  Wherever it emerges.  I’ve more than just said words
about this genuine revolution, I’ve sent stuff and money to them. 
I visit their websites, several of them, daily to keep up with what is
going on.  It is my hope they keep their energy to fight the bastards
that would swipe our country from us.  If I can help them I will and
do.  I am not poor, I am a working person and have “benefits” provided
by my employer.  I will be all right for the rest of my life.  Not rich mind
you, as most in academic are not wealthy, though there like everywhere
else, the top, i.e., administrators, get all the gravy.  But nevertheless,
it is a sheltered occupation in that unless one does something really
egregious you have the job til you drop.  Way…ell there are retirement
enticements in order to recycle the deadwood.  I think you know what I
mean.  When I retire I will go teach in public school as I know I could
not sit still long and will have to be out there agitating in some capacity
or another.  I will do that until I drop.  That is my plan.

I didn’t really mean you were trying to take our fun away.  It was with
tongue in cheek.  I was trying to make light of a very serious problem. 
And may not have been too successful.  Umm, I apologize.  You are so
right about the pontificating, and I admit to being guilty, and so are you
dear lady.  We have our styles and sentiments.  If we don’t have the
forums to express ourselves then we have nowhere.  At least we get
caught when we stray too far away from the circumspect.  I believe both
of us use the forums properly and most truthdippers do too.  Although
trolls do show up occasionally.  They eventually get going.

I did not mean to put as much fun into your comment about children
as it may have looked like either.  You are so insightful it is scary.  You
are right to be concerned about those who would reconstruct our
country, but I would put them ten thousand cuts more detrimental than
pontificating, though they do that too.

I was making a commentary about the homeschoolers who teach the
garbage they have in their own heads to their children.  Or the overly
pious who send their children to school with bibles in their backpacks. 
Or the fact reported today that the state of Tennessee has “given legal
cover to public school teachers to challenge the science of evolution
and climate change, in a move that looks set to deepen a debate about
politicisation of the classroom.”  I have plenty to pontificate about on
that score!

And that the state of Florida along with 15 or so other states in the
Union has these self-protection laws that allowed Trayyvon Martin to
be killed which I cannot get out of my head.  A beautiful life snuffed
out on the insanity of another reactive human pretending to be normal. 
I cannot help but be nauseated.  But at the same time it has brought
to public consciousness the madness that permeates our society and
that is what has to be exterminated.  To know is to be able to do
something about it.  I don’t know how any human loving individual can
sleep at night knowing our children cannot safely live their lives, some
with the terrifying fear their children will be shot, or blown to bits.  It is
time to do more than just talk.

Yes, peace and only peace.

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By Ed Lytwak, March 22, 2012 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Sofianitz, your vote is NOT useless.  When you vote it legitimizes the shamocracy and patriarchal erections.  It is very useful to the political lackeys who serve the 1%.  When you vote, they can say that YOU have given them a mandate to screw you.

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By Korky Day, March 22, 2012 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

I’m a Green but encourage all to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.  If he loses, he might run as a non-Republican.  Maybe he’ll pick a Green as a running mate.  I posted a fun poll for such a match at http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=PaulVP2012

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By sofianitz, March 22, 2012 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

Hello Robert Sheer,

Well, here’s the deal.
Your vote was useless in 1952.
Your vote was useless in 1956.
Your vote was useless in 1960.
Your vote was useless in 1964.
Your vote was useless in 1968. (Remember, Robert?)
Your vote was useless in 1972.
Your vote was useless in 1976.
Your vote was useless in 1980.
Your vote was useless in 1984.
Your vote was useless in 1988.
Your vote was useless in 1992.
Your vote was useless in 1996.
Your vote was useless in 2000.
Your vote was useless in 2004.
Your vote was useless in 2008.

Now, tell me again, Robert, why should I vote in 2012?
You must be crazy if you think anyone’s vote will accomplish anything at all.

Our country has, for a long time, not been one where their leaders are elected by the demos, the people.  It is completely bought and paid for by the moneyed interests, the plutocracy.

I, for one, will never vote again, because I am absolutely sure.  Absolutely sure, that it is an entirely futile act.  I would not even let any of the candidates for President into my house.  I spit upon them.

Lincoln said, “This country, with it’s institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it.  Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember and overthrow it.”

So, just now, the people cannot amend the government, because it is in control of the corporate fascist state.  So, Robert, don’t you think the other alternative, for those of us who grow weary of the existing government, is better than casting another absolutely useless vote?  Remember, voting is, and has been for 30 years, entirely without effect.  NOTHING is going to happen, whether you vote or not.  Stop voting.  It’s useless.

Do you understand, Robert Scheer, that you have spent your whole life trying to get us to vote for something?  What a totally futile and useless thing to do!

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By gerard, March 22, 2012 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, I know you are far from stupid, and so I conclude you chose to be disingenuous in your response to my previous plea for putting more of our support behind the emerging Occupy movement.
  1. I was not talking about “taking our fun away” when I suggested such support rather than “pontificating” here.
  2. You must have known my intention was not “tending to our children.”  People 30 and less are right now attempting to reconstruct our country, which is a cut or two higher than “pontificating.”
  3. As to “those who disagree with me ..(rightwingers) just as soon shooting a black boy etc.” Well, that is a really “dirty crack.” and far beneath your usual contributions.

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By Shenonymous, March 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Acquifer – Since you addressed me, apparently you don’t understand
what you read.  I swear there is a remedial reading class waiting for
all the truthdippers who read into comments what they want to see. 
Amazing. 

There has been lots of discussion about the Greens and Jill Stein on
other forums, and I really don’t want to engage it again on this one. 
So suffice it for me to say, I do not see the Greens as a political force
in the United States (and as we discovered not in Canada either). 
Stein might have a palatable ideology but she is an unknown quantity,
not having won any election at any level of government.  I have nothing
derogatory to say of Jill Stein, but why would she be qualified to run a
complex nation?  She is not given any public news coverage or time on
the news talk shows, which is where all candidates of any serious ilk
show up.  That is how they get national recognition.  They even show
up on late night talk shows for god’s sake!  But Stein’s name is not
known outside the Greens and wherever she is occasionally mentioned
on the blogs. 

I do not see the Greens as having been relevant since 2004 which is
when Nader shunned running for them.  That topic has also been vetted
on other forums so I will not go through it again here either.  To quote
myself,

If there were an authentically real third-party movement
with strong and secure values and spokespersons who
would eloquently and convincingly acclaim its virtues,
then they would attract a great number of the disaffected,
including myself.”

As far as I am concerned, there is no “authentically real third-party
movements,” but there are many movements that can make a difference,
for instance Move to Amend http://movetoamend.org/

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By M Henri Day, March 22, 2012 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

«Two candidates, no choice» ? Bur Mr Scheer, isn’t that just the way «democracy» - OK, plutocracy - is supposed to work ? And one of the reasons why the US so desperately attempts to bomb people into accepting «democracy», all, of course, in the name of «human rights» ?...

Henri

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By schnauzermom, March 22, 2012 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

While I understand and agree with a lot of what Mr. Scheer is saying, and yes, I have issues with Barack Obama, I can’t help but think back to the 2000 election, when a lot of people said there was no difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore. Well, somehow I think we’d be in a very different place had Al Gore won that election. Maybe not the promised land, but probably not the crapper we’re in today.

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By Jeff N., March 22, 2012 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment

ralphdd, I dont think the importance of that first sentence can be overstated.  It is awesome to be able to get hooked up with all different types of communities and share opinions and ideas.  I think the commenting age is in its infancy, and I’m very interested to see how this develops and evolves over time.  Wish I could think of a great idea for it to get me out of this dead-end job haha but it is also great for promoting a democratic world.  The freedom and availability of information, from the Arab Spring to Kony to legislation being proposed in congress, makes it possible for the public awareness and engagement in national/global issues to be brought to new levels.

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By litlpeep, March 22, 2012 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

This is a bizarre assertion, no matter how much argument is stacked up to support its narrowness: “voters are left with only two reasons to vote against Barack Obama” since Romney is the GOP candidate.  Indeed, the two reasons offered are not reasons at all; they are blind biases.  Ignorance is not often a good reason for anything; but it can become a good reason for getting some education.

One cannot follow the ‘reasoning’ in the article and also in good conscience follow George Washington’s advice: when faced with two undesirable options, choose the third.

While it is true that Romney has been exposed as “widely regarded as the vulture capitalist he is, a politician who is a say-and-do-anything opportunist with no moral limits on his outsized ambitions” the only difference between this caricature of him and the prevailing caricature of Obama is that Obama has some little different, though mostly overlapping biases than Romney.

But we have a dozen or so alternatives to these evils of two lessers.

Mr. Scheer, that is the most disappointing thing of yours I have ever read.

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By Palindromedary, March 22, 2012 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

Rocky Anderson? The first thing I see when going to his web site is that he is Americans Elect candidate for President. Do you know just who Americans Elect is? Do you know WHO started Americans Elect? Peter Ackerman! Do you know WHO Peter Ackerman is? Do you know WHO is behind the financing of Americans Elect? Americans Elect is a pretend “for the people” scam. They are no more “for the people” than the Republican Party is.

Yes, it would be fantastic to break the two-party stranglehold on our country…but not by Americans Elect. The campaign rhetoric of Rocky Anderson SOUNDS very inviting…but so did the campaign rhetoric of Obama…and you see where that has gotten us.

It really won’t matter what these political liars tell us. They will tell us just what they think we want to hear. And they will most certainly ALL tow the line for the wealthy in this country..Wall Street..Banksters…the Oil industry..the BigPharma and healthscare insurance scamsters.

Voting won’t make a bit of difference, it’s too late for that…other measures need to be implemented, and it just delays the inevitable destruction of the 99% until they are too weak to really do anything about it.

These lying hope-hucksters are not unwelcome to the ruling elite, contrary to what most liberals and progressives think, because they keep Americans from all-out revolution. They have us where they want us….squabbling over the illusions of democracy, selling us the flim-flam medicine-man delusions of hope. Drink this snake-oil elixir of hope by voting and everything will get better ...yeah, right!

Do some research…check out the history of Americans Elect and their founder Peter Ackerman. Try to find who is mostly funding them. It’s difficult because they don’t want us to know and try to keep it hidden.  But, some have discovered some of the extreme right-wingers and very wealthy backers of Americans Elect and have posted them on the internet.

Check out the other organizations that Peter Ackerman has either founded or is associated with. Some are progressive or liberal sounding organizations.  But, they are far from progressive or liberal and in fact are very extremely right wing. It’s the old game of deceit by using deceptive facades. Keep reading and believing that these “for the people” politicians like Obama and Anderson and, maybe even Ron Paul (bite my tongue) are going to steer things back into the people’s court and you are just fooling yourself right into serfdom and slavery, if not your grave. But if you investigate, as I have, organizations like Americans Elect, you will see the lies and trickery. Don’t be fooled!!! Investigate!!

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By thethirdman, March 22, 2012 at 11:42 am Link to this comment

Ed,
You want a reason to vote for Obama: Mitt Romney.  You want another: Rick
Santorum.  Voting matters very little, but it does matter a little.  Think of the
economy, war, and the general welfare of millions (both inside and outside the
US).  Would any of these look the same today if Bush were defeated by Gore?  I
know nobody can answer that, but I am willing to bet you have a hunch.

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By Aquifer, March 22, 2012 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

Well if there was ever any doubt - Scheer has unmasked himself as an Obamabot, big time, and Truthdig does itself no favors by continuing to print his claptrap without allowing for rebuttal except in its “comments” section. To whit:

“voters are left with only two reasons to vote against Barack Obama: Either they are desperate to return a white man to the White House or they feel strongly that it is time to break the glass ceiling denying Mormons the presidency.”

BS, there are a gazillion reasons to vote against Obama, just as there are a gazillion to vote against the Reps - strangely enough, they seem to be the same gazillion ...

“The pity in all this is that a legitimate critique of the Obama record—present to some degree in the Paul dissection of the president’s war policy and his continuation of the Bush Wall Street bailout strategy—will not be heard in the general election debate.”

Well if that is true it will be because folks like you have failed to use your bully pulpit to ensure that 3rd party candidates like Jill Stein will have a seat in the debates. If the issues you speak of are really that important to you, you would pull out all the stops to see that they do - You never wanted to “threate Obama’s election in any way, only to make him “uncomfortable”.

“it would leave even Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon, were they alive, with no choice but to vote for Obama as the lesser evil.”

Hardy, har - boy you are desperate, what a crock ...

Shenonymous

“Until there is a People’s Party that is solidly anchored in the “liberal” values that distributes power and resources among the entire population, that is when I will find another political haven outside of the Democrats.

If there were an authentically real third-party movement with strong and secure values and spokespersons who would eloquently and convincingly acclaim its virtues, then they would attract a great number of the disaffected, including myself.”

Hmm, well don’t know where you have been, but there is such an entity and she is making strides and gaining momentum - time to get on board, unless of course, “the lesser evil” argument has become part of your DNA ...

http://www.jillstein.org/

deboldt

“Sources revealed today that the Committee to Re-elect the President sent a check for a half a Billion dollars to the Republican National Committee guaranteeing they would continue to maintain their scary, reality challenged, absurd stances on domestic and foreign policy in order to present Obama as the only rational choice in the 2012 election.”

They didn’t/don’t have to send them a dime - they are already maintaining and even expanding on those policies, if anything, the Reps are paying them -

If the Reps candidates are whacky, it is because the Dems have gone so far in their direction that the only places remaining in a campaign are lunatic fringe positions. Actually if they were honest they would admit there really is no ideological reason to run candidates at all, but that would be too darn obvious, no wouldn’t it?

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By Ed Lytwak, March 22, 2012 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

Actually, I can’t think of ONE reason TO vote for Obama.  The primary reason to NOT vote for the Obamanation is that on the fundamental issues facing life on planet Earth - war and violence, oppression of women and the working poor (the 99%), preservation of the life support systems of the planet, economic justice, civil rights etc., etc. there is NO difference between him and whatever 1% shill the Repugnicans run.  Any difference are merely the superficial glitter promoted by the media.  Unless the radical left runs a candidate for president I’m going to vote “NO CONFIDENCE” either as a write in or by not even wasting my time.

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By ralphdd, March 22, 2012 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Without a doubt it is a great achievement to post your opinions on a public forum and have them read by others. I know some of you may have experienced censorship as I have recently on another prominent website (HP)but to the subject at hand. It has taken me a long time to come to the conclusion that the president is a talker rather than a doer. I believed he had the following and possibility to be a president on the level of Lincoln or FDR but it was just not what he was about. I don’t see he has deserved my vote for all the reason that are always mentioned also it seems that he doesn’t actually have a lot of core values or policies and is swayed by what the opposition party policies are in an attempt to co-opt their opposition. There is no way I would vote for the present republican candidates. If you vote for evil that what you will get. In november I won’t feel bad about my actions at all.

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By Shenonymous, March 22, 2012 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

thethirdman – yes we do contribute to the aggregate in which
we live, and the fact is that we do live. That is what human existence
is about.  We are part of the universe even if we find ourselves firmly
earthbound. It goes without saying, or if it doesn’t then what is being
said is that humans ought not to exist.  That is not the province of any
one of the sample of humanity.  It will be determined by how much of
a custodian of our planet we take seriously as our commission.  We
could destroy ourselves and much of what is the planet, its flora and
fauna.  But the earth itself does not care.  It will regenerate in a million
years or so sans humans and other animals and plants.  New stuff will
grow.  Or we can accept our responsibility for other humans and the
rest that makes up our world.  I think you understand this.

The glib remarks denigrating liberals are from smoking stacks of crap
burning in their minds. 

Aw gerard, you would take all our fun away.  You are right, we do need
to tend to our children.  But that means those who disagree with you
would teach their children to be just like themselves and what if they are
ultra right-wing conservative non-liberal extremists who would just as
soon shoot a black boy walking home as notice them in their rear view
mirror?.  So maybe you might want to reconsider this education thing?

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By scott425, March 22, 2012 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer . I have a large respect for your body of work. That being said I think your fear mongering of a Romney presidency is baseless If you put their records side by side two things become obvious . Both men are liars. Romney has had a much longer run as a professional pol. and corporate insider. If you look just at their records Romney is slightly to the left of Obama when in office. I wouldn’t vote for either one. The only hope for “poor” Americans is that people like Chris Hedges , may come up with a way to turn the security forces against the 1%ers, ala East Germany in 89 At any rate the position of potus is now a second tier job below Bankster or oil baron. So who signs the orders at this point is moot.

Given the precedence of Bush I, and the fact that Romney is supported by the same war/oil lobby that backed Bush, and finally the fact that Romney actually wants to increase the military budget in these dire economic times…...given all that I’m not so sure Scheer is exaggerrating the danger.

I live in a non-swing state so I will probably vote for Stein without thinking about it too much.  But unfortunately the ridiculous 2-party system will compel alot of people to vote Obama even though they don’t approve of his leadership.

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By gerard, March 22, 2012 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

Let’s pontificate no more, shall we?  Instead, let’s talk to our kids and our grandkids, and anybody else who is less than 30 years old and encourage them to help shape an economic-social democracy for tomorrow.
Thousands of them are already out there, making all kinds of beginnings for massive change all over the country.  There never was a better chance to join and strengthen a movement that has already pointed the general direction away from fear, hatred and self-destruction. Help them out! Who gets elected is much less important than that the American people get together and help each other survive and thrive physically, mentally, spiritually.

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By scott425, March 22, 2012 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

The (mind-numbingly boring) prospect of Obama vrs. Romney is just another indication that the USA desperately needs electoral reform. 

I want to be able to actually voice my preference, instead of being guilt-tripped into voting Obama and thus indirectly lend my support to this corrupt system.

Liberals should have voted for Paul en-masse to at least give some character and excitement to this coming election.  But the whole process is streamlined, pre-determined, manipulated.  As soon as Romney has the requisite delegates, the way is free to attack Iran.

The idea of wars abroad in the name of democracy is a monstrous absurdity given the lack of democracy here in the States.

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By thethirdman, March 22, 2012 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,
The power of these systems does not create itself.  It is the aggregate of what
each contributes to the whole, what each one of us is willing to accept.  You may
see this power as the prize for which men jostle high above your head, but the
reality is that you contribute as much to this nebulous force simply by living your
life, accepting some things and fighting others.  The human brain organizes the
world in surprisingly simple ways.  It is within this organizing that power is
distributed.

As to your pragmatism in supporting the lesser of two evils, I could not agree
more.  I have been blasted on this site many a time for the exact same sentiment. 
The taste of Bush will not leave my mouth anytime soon.

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By Wikileaks for Nobel, March 22, 2012 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Blah blah blah blah vote for the lesser evil so things will continue to get worse, as they have over the decades that we Realistically have advised you to vote for the lesser evil, because that’s what evil does, it makes things worse, which is why we call it evil blah blah blah blah. 

Thanks Mr. Scheer for reminding me of your political limitations.  Hack.

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By thethirdman, March 22, 2012 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

The power of these systems does not create itself.  It is the aggregate of what
each contributes to the whole, what each one of us is willing to accept.  You may
see this power as the prize for which men jostle high above your head, but the
reality is that you contribute as much to this nebulous force simply by living your
life, accepting some things and fighting others.  The human brain organizes the
world in surprisingly simple ways.  It is within this organizing that power is
distributed.

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By thethirdman, March 22, 2012 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

Jeff N,
I think that is my point exactly.  Our obsession with power cannot be subdued
because what we see myopically as beneficial and benign all contributes to
these behemoth systems of power that have evolved steadily over the centuries.
My concern for my own welfare, and my comfort with technology, will always
triumph over any painful sacrifice I am willing to make for the greater good. 
Ideologically, I don’t like the power of the oil cartels, but I really do like being
able to drive up over to my favorite fishing spot or over to dinner with my
brother and his family.  Are these things possible without relying on the monied
interests of oil?  Absolutely.  But will enough people be moved to sacrifice a
major portion of their lives to affect a critical mass capable of changing these
power structures?  I believe in the inertia of humanity.  We continue on with the
status quo until we are forced to deal with a more pressing reality.  Change
comes when enough people feel the pain, and we are not quite there yet.

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